 By the way here. Hello Hello stream. Oh, hello stream as a semi-public person Who has put a lot and me and my wife put a lot of our personal lives out on the internet? Man, I don't know if I would like it if they were, you know Pracking if there was a fan page that was tracking every moment dedicated to your Your eventual downfall. Yeah, or like, you know every time I liked You know a Females, you know tweet or something like that's that's the kind of stuff that draws that a fan Community is interested in Justin's wall of shit. I mean entire TMZ articles are written about like someone liked this Instagram photo What does it mean, right? I you know, it's hard because I'm I don't think I'm an especially private person But I don't like talking about a lot of what I do and how I do it and who I've done it to so Cover your tracks. Good work, Raj. You know, there is something about Discretion but at the same time there is a I can see not for me personally, but I can see with certain individuals There's an intoxication to being talked about being fond over being mentioned even if it's even if it's being talked about in a derogatory way, there is this kind of You know kind of seductive power that you get because people are You know hanging on your every move like what did he order for appetizers at, you know, Chili's You know after you got off work and they have a list of you know, so-and-so's, you know chili diet And I you know for some people they they feed off that it's like, you know It's like Gatorade or something. It's Gatorade and Probably the wrong beverage Free vitamin water, but still reinforcement on some level Justin how's life up in the East Bay? Good good. It's been a actually it looks like it's sunny today. It's been a little overcast over the past few days, but Busy couple nights coming up a solo tonight, and then we are going to see The speakeasy show the immersive theater speakeasy show on Friday because one of our friends who is in the show is Leaving for a few months. So we want to see her before she rotates out is it Like a theater show like what's the show? It's it's an immersive theater experience. So you come in to What is a? 19 oh that sounds yeah. Yeah, you guys want to do the show? Let's do this Oh, I will play the patron read and the opening music and you can take it from there, Sarah Sounds good. Oh go in three two The Daily Tech News show is brought to you by its audience and not outside organizations to find out more hit the DailyTechnewshow.com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday May 24th 2018 Tom Merritt is out this week from studio feline. I'm Sarah Lane and from the majestic shores of Lake Merritt I'm Justin Robert. Yeah, I mean how many times have you and Tom laughed about the fact that he used to live on Lake Merritt? And now you do not only have I laughed about it Well, there hasn't been a lot of laughter because to walk from Tom's old apartment to Lake Merritt You have to cross Belmont Street to which I'm not even kidding I Have posited the theory and I've stated on the internet for the record that we can't not prove That Tom and Veronica are a brother sister con man team Yeah, and perhaps part of city planning for the city of Oakland, California. Sure, whatever Producer Roger Chang is with us as always Roger. How is life? It's good. It's still a little cold But supposedly it's gonna change during the weekend. Oh really? Oh good. I'll be in town. We'll we'll go to the beach All right, let's start off with a few tech things you should know Sources tell Bloomberg the US Justice Department has opened a criminal probe into price manipulation of Bitcoin and other Currencies digital ones spoofing and flooding the market with fake orders to trick other traders are reportedly both being reviewed Federal prosecutors are working with the commodity futures trading commission, which oversees derivatives tied to Bitcoin This is very interesting because part of the idea of currency without government is that you would not have this kind of Oversight, but if there is still this kind of oversight, I think it speaks well for cryptocurrency in general the New York Times reports Apple has and was Developing prototypes for its own car for four years But chose instead to partner with Volkswagen to supply a fleet of T6 California vans with quote Computers sensors and a large electric car battery and quote sources say Apple previously tried to inca deal with BMW Mercedes-Benz Nissan and McLaren to build an Apple car, but no deals were made I Think we can and we'll talk about this a little later in the show I think we can sort of glean from the Tesla model that making cars is heart even if you're Apple. Oh Yeah, without a doubt And as we will talk about the the success of Tesla and the challenges that they face It is not something that what one does not simply walk in to creating an American car company Although I have to say the T6 vans. Have you seen those? They're cool. Are they no They're like new modern Volkswagen buses little kitchens in there and some, you know bells and whistles But sort of small and compact and I want one. No, there's really just a huge boom post-sprinter van of Modular just a big space that you can do a million different things with as so much technology has created the ability that you can live there All right, let's talk a little more about music videos Vivo announced It is shutting down its mobile apps for Android iOS Windows mobile and also its website to focus on its YouTube presence It has a very big one on YouTube Vivo has a distribution deal with YouTube and Google which obviously owns YouTube also owns a minority Stake in Vivo the new strategy move follows departures from the CEO at Vivo the CTO and the head of product Over the last six months the company will give users of its service a playlist tool to import their Vivo playlist to YouTube and Will still operate select smart TV apps for now look Vivo is the face of Content musical content from record labels and the music videos that many of us grew up on and new music videos as they come out They have cornered the market on it It also just shows the fact that look people are on YouTube watching music because they don't want to pay for it So the idea of striking out even if you are the number one brand name and I watch branded me I watch major label music on YouTube. It doesn't matter You can't transfer it because people just want to watch it on the free platform Yeah, I might have been the only one of my friends who actually watch the YouTube I'm sorry Vivo stream on my Apple TV in the app Often because you know, I kind of want music and they got a little extra something in the background But yeah, I see why Vivo would have wanted to separate itself from YouTube What like a lot of publishing companies want to separate themselves from Facebook? But if that's where everybody's going and no one really cares then Your hands are tied. What are you doing? The National Transportation Safety Board says uber disabled an emergency braking system in a self-driving vehicle That struck and killed a woman in Arizona in March and failed to properly ID the pedestrian The NTSB's report said that the modified 2017 Volvo XC 90s radar systems saw the pedestrian six seconds before impact But first classified the pedestrian as an unknown object then as a vehicle and then a bicycle in better uber news business mergers with Yandex and Russia and grab in Southeast Asia helped uber turn a profit of 2.5 billion in its latest Q1 earnings report it should also be noted that uber settled with the family of the deceased woman in Arizona earlier, you know, we've covered this story from lots of different angles obviously because it's of a lot of interest to us as we Self-driving cars become more and more a reality But it is disconcerting to say the least that the system because a for a while it was a little bit like well was it the system was at the driver you know the driver was apparently looking down what really happened for the Self-driving vehicle in autonomous mode to be like, oh, that's a I don't know what that is. Oh, it's a car Oh, it's a bicycle. Oh, it's a person and then it's too late, you know uber Has the unfortunate distinction of being the first company that we know of at least that this has happened But obviously going to be heavily scrutinized because You know, we all want this to work We all think this is the future, but you can't have mistakes like this But yeah, but let's let's also understand it recognized something six seconds out It was at one point something that it recognized that it should be something that it needs to stop for so exactly Even if it Immediately slammed on the brakes the the fact that this woman would have been seriously harmed I Think still would have happened now the fact that it didn't is a technological question that uber obviously very much needs to Dress in the entire industry needs to get better at but I don't know if even You know, you don't want it to be slamming on the brakes for every possible unknown object Then that's part of the problem Facebook said it will not shut down political ads Reasoning that it would unfairly favor incumbents and wealthy candidates It will however place a paid for by label on political Candidate an issue ads on facebook and instagram in the u.s This includes ads run by news publishers and others that promote stories with political content The system will also archive these items for seven years and make searchable by keyword Or by who ran them and display ad budgets number of people who sought and their anonymized age gender and location Well, I don't believe that facebook was ever seriously going to never run political ads that that might have been a Rumor but what they're trying to do is get around legislation that will almost certainly come down if they don't act And basically do what the legislation would have done before there is a political motivation to put that on them What they're trying to do is get to be more like newspapers and televisions and probably televisions are the television industry is probably the better Comp for it in that you need to have Things labeled a certain way. There's a reason why every political ad starts with Candidate and I approve this message paid for by the John McCain petition. Exactly, right? And and that is because they need to put that out there and and to do to go around that is illegal And what facebook wants to do is say no, no, no, we can be more Accountable we we can we can create we can save all this stuff for seven years We can show you how much they've spent on it This is going to be a great resource for political data journalists Whether or not it is enough to keep the law man off facebook facebook's back remains to be seen Yeah, I mean the first reaction I had was like, oh, it's a tv ad but with way more data So I don't know step in the right direction I guess if anybody wants to know a little bit more about stuff then Facebook has the data Sure And and and I think this was going to come one way or another a Portland, Oregon woman's amazon Echo you can see echo right? Yeah, right. Oh, sorry. I'm just gun shy and all these I know me too. I'm like, what do I not say? Recorded an audio clip of her conversation and sent it to a person in her contact list A spokesperson for amazon says quote amazon takes privacy very seriously We investigated what happened and determined this was an extremely rare occurrence We are taking steps to avoid this from happening in the future end quote An engineer looking into the incident speculated that the echo speaker Guessed the command was to send a message via The a voice messaging without asking for verbal confirmation Normally the echo and google assistant Which has similar messaging capabilities both alert users when they are about to send an audio message So this is like for anybody paranoid about smart speakers Listening to you when they're not supposed to This is your story now the article that I read the woman in portland Apparently got a message from somebody that works for her husband. That was the recipient of the message. So already it's like Oh, gosh, you know, wonder what she was talking about that person said you've been hacked Here's a voice transcript of you talking. Yeah, and you know, of course amazon's like this is This is very rare. We're very sorry. We don't want it to happen again but uh Gosh, I mean think of you could ruin lives this way sure What I think amazon wants to say is this is the voice equivalent of a butt dial like Yes, you can accidentally call your You know your your ex-girlfriend while you're talking to your new girlfriend and you can Have her accidentally listen on her voicemail to a very private personal conversation. Yes, that could be ruinous however, we all understand that this is a rare thing and just because it is possible does not mean that it is likely and Sure, you can do better in the UI to prevent it from happening, but no matter what any system will be you know Will will possibly be able to accidentally do something that you don't exactly want it to do Yeah, there are many times where my uh, my amazon uh, smart speaker will come alive where I'm like I didn't even say anything to you stop it But then I'm always like well The rest of whatever I was saying is is that being recorded? Is it going anywhere? It doesn't really matter. I mean, I'm not you know I'm uh, I'm an angel. So I don't have anything to worry about but I do I do think that Maybe they're you know precautions of like you sure you want to send this message We're going to record a message got it Maybe like a you know, I had to eat a two-factor voice Authentication or something needs to be in play because I think what they're saying is that this is rare because And I don't know for for a fact, but That she did go through that system. It was just in other words And she happened, you know in in the same way that you can just Rattle off all the commands at once. So you don't have to go through two different Voice menus. She did that for this and next thing, you know, some random person gets that uh gets that message What I will say is that amazon made a big point and they got criticized and I think rightly For having to everybody give over their entire address book on some of their products And that's where I think this bears poison fruit because why else does the your your echo Know your boss's friend Or unless your address book goes goes to there and that's just somebody that you happen to have in there Yes, apparently this woman who declined to give her last name To the fox affiliate she's talked to is getting a refund. She does not want her echo anymore. So, you know, yeah, exactly Okay on a completely different note porn hub has launched its own vpn service called vpn hub Not to be confused with that vpn router. I don't remember the name now But uh, I had a little bit of laugh this morning about that totally different This app is available for android ios mac os and windows and offers free and unlimited bandwidth for 13 bucks per month To give you an ad-free experience and a faster connection The service won't be available in certain countries that the u.s Doesn't do business with cuba iran sudan north korea, etc Porn hub also has reports of the service being blocked in certain countries saudi arabia egypt and china among them Well, I've I've uh, not heard of this company porn hub, uh, but no me either I I can only guess what it's I just wanted to add a clarification because I mistyped It's free the app is free But there is a paid version for 13 bucks that basically gives you Faster connection speeds and no ads All right, so you've got poor hub giving a vpn app which You know, I I assume it works like vpn app would so that you can kind of enjoy your Incognito experience So okay, um Connection speeds. I don't know. Are they a problem 13 bucks a month is I mean More than netflix, you know So a friend of mine who's more familiar with porn hub once told me that that you know This is kind of their business model, right that uh, they have a free service that is very very popular and then they offer a premium experience for a price that You know in in that genre may or may not be considered a bargain So whether or not you are interested in doing something Uh like that with with porn hub for a new vpn service I think is is interesting and it really shows you how much a You know how much porn hub can use their data To their advantage they know where their customers are coming from they know Very intimate details about what they like and don't like and the behaviors that get them to interact with that kind of content Many people want maximum privacy When it comes to stuff like that so Who do trust more than the people that know what you are doing when you don't want to be known that you are doing it I don't know 13 dollars still sounds high to me, but uh, yes, uh a a service like porn hub Obviously understands uh video streaming and perhaps uh the the complaints of people who don't have uh great video streaming So hey 13 bucks a month. Maybe is worth it if the app works as advertised and does not reveal your credentials eventually mm-hmm To get all the tech headlines each day. I just didn't know how to wrap that one up About five minutes or less. It was actually slightly over five minutes today, but hopefully you guys will forgive me subscribe to daily tech headlines dat All right, justin and roger and everybody. Yeah, let's talk about elon musk Elon musk went on a bit of a tweet storm Yesterday, we talked about it a bit in our good day internet preshow with scott johnson, but it wasn't in the show But there's probably a bigger conversation here Uh musk complains that the public no longer respects big media companies because they as he says in a tweet quote Lay claim to the truth, but publish only enough to sugarcoat the lie He also tweeted and this one got a lot of attention Going to create a site where that public can rate the core truth of any article and track the credibility score Over time of each journalist editor and publication Thinking of calling it pravda Well, as it turns out pravda is a word it means truth in russian But it was also the name of the official paper of the communist party of the soviet union Okay Now this may or may not directly coincide with consumer reports recently deciding not to recommend the tesla model 3 midsize sedan Consumer reports said that the vehicle had the longest stopping distance of any contemporary car. It has tested Uh, no, no, I I believe this rant was triggered by another, uh, article about tesla's manufacturing Uh, and uh, yeah, there it has people have been poking holes in in teslas model and their uh inability to deliver cars Yeah As as part of his rant He made specific reference to the fact that there are union interests possibly a play that are providing Information because the the question of whether or not tesla will become a union shop the auto workers union obviously is very very strong in this country and They don't like companies that are not part of the union And so they they wish to unionize those workers And it is elan musk's contention with tesla that the factor that they took over had a higher Danger rate when they were a union shop. They are now not a union shop He says that the employees can unionize whenever they want. They just haven't but part of the negative press including the one that set him off yesterday was Uh from another You know from from a from a point of view, uh for either people that are sympathetic unions or the unions themselves using sources to get where they are uh Here's the other thing that he mentioned, you know, which I think is is uh an interesting point that tesla does not advertise yet auto dealerships car companies are among the biggest advertisers in all of journalism, uh That is a fact. I don't know if he I don't know if this necessarily translates In the way that he kind of insinuated It it was but let's go to his larger point sarah. Do you believe that people trust big media? Oh, listen, uh Well, okay, so considering that we all work in media, you know, it's it's that I have maybe a slightly skewed view of Of how it all works because I I feel i'm pretty good at discerning between good and bad and right and wrong and you know Truth and lies and that sort of thing I don't believe Anybody can say something like big media companies are all garbage because it all depends on Who's working on the story? You know, was it properly vetted or the source is good? Just that person have a good reputation and I think that that's something that musk is touching on that Is not necessarily a bad idea some sort of rating system So, uh, you know We can all better understand who to trust and who not to trust Because to his point people have stopped trusting media big media Whatever you want to call it is that's not in itself a bad idea what I What I don't understand and hopefully, you know Elon musk makes a lot of products and maybe he can make this too. What I don't understand is how the public especially sometimes Uninformed public would be rating a journalist Would be a great idea and how would you get around? You know bots and people who have an agenda, you know ranking the system and I just don't know what that would look like So his his point on the bots and let me just also say before we go any further I think he was joking about the prob to think I do too. I think that was a troll move very much He knows what prob day is prob does is not just known as the russian word for truth It is known as the propaganda arm the soviet union That being said so his point with the bots was not only do we need to have the most sophisticated bot blocking technology We also need to publish where bot Networks are coming from and try to identify who is doing it that we need to bring more transparency to that as well I Think one of the biggest problems we have in terms of our understanding of journalism. This is coming from my brief former life and education in this field is that Journalists and reporters and people in the media see as you just described Infinite granularity a source can lie to you an editor can give you a stupid story The headline can get changed at the last minute Uh, the facts on the ground can can change by the time that you get from one point to another Or you can make an honest to goodness mistake, right? All true the media or sorry the the public Sees the media as a monolith that they are far more group thinky than they think and that they are The law the other thing that is a dichotomy is that Media see themselves the rank and file see themselves as very vulnerable Again a source can lead you the wrong way you can be led down a primrose path The law a larger conspiracy can make you repeat something that would not be otherwise helpful Where the public sees the media as all-powerful you have the ability to ruin somebody's life and be protected by the constitution Even if you made a mistake again, you have to be proved guilty of libel You have to be proven that you have actual malice that you went out and did it So it is you are protected by law. If I accidentally ruin your life in and reputation And so I think there's a lot of conflict there that we are getting to the core of now that we don't have gatekeepers as much So now I can switch sides and become the media Very easily I can just open a twitter account and just say I have sources inside dtns That say that uh roger didn't get a lot of sleep last night. Yeah, the sources, uh asked not to be named Because of the yeah, yeah the confidentiality of the situation Well, the thing is is too is reporters, you know a reporter There are many different kinds people have agendas reporters sometimes do bad things sometimes they lie. That's all true We all know that so the idea of being able to rate somebody, especially if I read an article I don't know maybe it's some political article that you know I send to you and you go out that guy's garbage everybody pays attention to him Like I might not know that so that it would be helpful to me if it worked correctly But I just don't trust the greater public to be the I'll tell you what I'd be interested to see how it shook out. I don't know how much stock I would personally put into a number like that Uh, because I know a lot of people that are Are you know controversial that I very much enjoy reading their work, right? But I know them for that I would be very curious to see where where numbers like that shook out I can also know that we should buy Flotation devices or the deluge of think pieces that will come from such a Uh invention because I will tell you this firsthand in general journalists ironically Do not like being investigated It is you're right. I know how about that. How about that? I also want to know if you can make the most sophisticated bot Identifying network in the world tell twitter share it with instagram make my life better Can't wait Yeah, well, you know, it's either going to be a great step forward in our understanding of these power dynamics Or a dystopian hellscape that will lead us all to ruin Two days in a row with the word hellscape by the way scott johnson said it yesterday Thanks to all who participate in our sub reddits. We love you You guys are great over there submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com We are also on facebook want to hang out there. Great facebook.com groups slash daily tech news show Dave on twitter wanted to give us a heads up on uber's decision to shut down testing of self-driving cars in arizona We talked about this yesterday and focused their efforts in pittsburgh where they've been operating self-driving tests since 2016 And also california. He retweeted the pittsburgh mayors tweet saying Quote you never responded to our requirements They're talking to uber. You never informed us of today's announcement You never followed up on my requirements after fatality in arizona Your pa lobbyist has ignored everything and instead has reached out to other electeds to cover your mistakes time to change So Kind of yeah, it's like uber saying, you know at arizona was that was we're not doing this anymore We're gonna go, you know double down in pittsburgh and in california where ubers headquartered in pittsburgh saying What are you talking about? yeah, uh this is Not the easy political win that i think elected officials in the city of pittsburgh could once count on uber being because They kind of achieved their goal pittsburgh's an up-and-coming city and now it's not Hey, look, we got investment from these cool kid, uh tech companies And now we can leverage carneghi melon in the same way that the south bay leverages stanford, right? Now it's well, wait a minute. Now a lot of people know what uber is It's not just fancy tech company from california A lot of people have very specific opinions on uber and now politically Somebody could lose their phony baloney job if there is an attack ad that says blank is in the pocket of uber Knowing that uber has a lot of these Person, you know that people feel very very personal about uber, which is why they're running these like hey Don't don't blame all these old boss problems on new boss ads during the nba semi uh finals Oh semi finals man. Well, that's another story for another day But what uh is a great story today is the fact that justin robert young joins us every thursday Justin, what's been going on since we saw you last because we didn't see you on monday No, no, no Well, i'll tell you what two things and i'll do them very very quickly. 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What do people want to call this? api shewed Beatmaster my goodness Not even gonna I'm not gonna say that out loud Oh vpn virtual porn hub network and we maybe don't want to say porn in the title. That's good though Roger, I can't hear you You know why because I had myself needed now I was about to say vpnning for a friend I thought that was kind of funny. Oh No, no objects vehicles bicycles humans. Oh my Only thing is I feel like it makes light of a tragedy. It does Um echoing echoing to whoever almost caught myself um Yeah, good good catch. Justin. Uh, I thought I had not Written that word anywhere, but I did Uh, fred put out a tech mogul diva trips comma next time on dr. Phil I don't get that. What is it? He just had a meltdown and Oh Got it america's friendliest television Psychiatrist my goodness you guys have really gotten uh Really took that porn hub story. Uh, I know and ran with it So most is a very very popular thing that no one wants to talk about Yeah, I've never been there personally, but uh, I need there's better sites. That's why What are they now I'm just kidding. Um Literally just do any variation of porn into a url. I'm guaranteed to hit something It's true It's you know, I mean hey, it's if you take the content, uh The category of content out of the equation It is interesting, uh, you know the the model of streaming video and trying to keep everybody happy with a big user base Well, you know, what's going to be ironic if somehow that vpn product becomes a big money maker for them and they shift over from doing a majority of um Oh, did something hit the audio? No, I'm just trying to figure out why Is there a bird outside? No, no it because I've been the bird in my apartment. So that might be that dr. Bird Dr. Bird. Well, no, I have two crows outside I think they fought the other night because there was a lot of Cackling and calling at 3 a.m. In the morning. I thought they usually slept Anything they might not be fighting ranger Oh Well, this time with today's topic Take it to vpn I know My apartment and they they're pretty loud, but they don't do it in the middle of the night It's more like, you know, it was in the middle of the night and it was not like their usual crow conversations It wasn't full sentences Well, I think I told you guys here, uh, that uh, he or she has gone wherever they went But for a while I had a crazy crow that hung out at my apartment and you know, it was Crows can be pretty weird and very loud. Maybe there's been a novelist Just coming up with ideas. No, I don't know. Maybe Maybe that crow was chewing on electrical cords all day. Oh, you know, that's I remember back in college That was the thing I was reading like, um, of all the of all the trades of all the employment, um electricians tended to have the most amount of lead in their bed bloodstream It's because a lot of them chewed on the vinyl wrapping that comes in that Electrical wire comes in, you know, like you just gnaw on it like you would gnaw on a pen and they would leech into their gums That way The Elon musk thing he did tweet out a poll where he asked Create a media credibility rating that also flags propaganda botnets And came back 88 percent. Yes, this would be good and 12 percent. No, the media are awesome now. Obviously, this is its own slant, but Elon musk's point is that uh, Despite hundreds of articles attacking the idea and this very poll it's not like there were more people that came in to show that Uh, the the media is a great thing that's going perfect that doesn't need accountability Yeah, I think part of it is what you were saying is the there is a lack of granularity in the public perception of the media everything It's kind of a catch-all phrase for for anyone who Uh creates content puts it out. It's just the media, right? And in a way um It it it's a self-fulfilling prophecy because anytime you see read something You don't like even if it's a pamphlet at like the laundromat that you're reading it's part of the media And so you you build a notion however incorrect in your head that you know There's just like you were saying a monolithic entity that doesn't actually exist I have friends who don't work in our line of work and you know every so often someone will you know be I don't know You know Have a being a bonnet about something and be like, you know the media And I know that they're not talking about me, but I'm like but Okay, what meet like I'm in the media like what what are you talking about specifically because you can't really it's like saying women or You know people in broadcasting or you know, whatever. It's like that's like saying restaurants anytime I get food That's prepared, you know, it makes me sick. It's restaurants. The big restaurant Is just trying to keep the man down By making us dependent on their food, right restaurants use bad ingredients Some do Well, but so here is the one thing that I will I will say is that The exact situation that you described sarah where you feel that there is an attack Any attack on any media is an attack on the media itself and we have certainly seen a lot of polarizing Uh opinions on this with you know, like the president's twitter for example or his campaign for president that Uh These outlets are crooked or these outlets are lying or these outlets are fake is a attack on everything Which is odd because again All journalists in general usually have a much more nuanced idea of well They might be bad that editor might be bad that reporter might be bad I can't believe you're listening to that source because we know that they're bad In inside media, there's a ton of media criticism. There's a lot of stuff that like, you know, like, oh, they're a joke They they suck. Did you see that they just hired blank? They're bad and yet when it comes from the outside There is a closing of ranks of like, how dare you attack CNN how dare you attack the new york times? How dare you attack the washington post? Uh that I think is weird It is weird for me to watch when I know that if I talk to somebody at the new york times that works at the new york times They'll probably talk Crazy crap about the washington post and and both of them will talk insane poop about cnn because there's a hatred amongst newspaper journalists to Uh tv journalists, right? I think I think the difference is when I hear people Criticize the media as an institution Yeah, I'm like What what do you how do you think this works because yeah, there are specific people or specific Organizations that I don't know how rivalries or whatever that does exist for sure In fact that journalists aren't some of the worst not all but some but Many but not all but uh, but but yeah, it's sort of like what is this? entity that you think it is because The word media is because is is encompassing Lot of stuff that somebody who is at criticizing or attacking the media is not even thinking about No, and and also I think people in general look in the wrong direction because if you want to look at and let's specifically take politics and let's specifically take political bias it's there I will say in my experience the vast majority of people that I know that work in the media are liberal people But I think that they are objective They are trained in their profession and they do the best they can I think where bias really shows up is not in the reporters It's in the editors and it is it is in specific divisions where narratives are created and so you are you have an editor that is assigning a reporter This is something that a lot of people don't even know because in you know movies and television shows It's always just a plucky Really? Here's what i'm writing about and you can't tell me nothing man Like I don't know why i'm doing a gangster voice, but uh, yeah, it's like the reporter as a police detective Yeah, right when it's it's really you just get you know, there's maybe you get a part of the brainstorming Maybe you get to pitch some ideas, but in general you're assigned a thing that you're doing and and If that narrative either in assignment Or in the process of editing You're like, yeah, this is thin on this get more Of this other side That happens all the time. That's part of the process of reporting and journalism And that's where I think you can get hard in narratives. That's where I think uh, you can get A more uh a bias perspective not only on politics but on a lot of stuff in the tech press We see it a lot with cynicism on certain companies or or stuff like that Because you have editors that are like, nah, this is this is a puff piece for blank Get me get somebody in the story that says that they're garbage or says that they're lying and then you have the other side of Who writes the headline which is very often not the person who wrote the copy And there's also a okay going back to real quick. Do we want to make the title all aboard the hellscape train? Great. Sure It's like the media it encompasses everything without saying anything hellscape But it's it's also, you know, I I most recently worked for tech crunch But I've worked for lots of news publications But you know for that it's you've got stories that are either factual or not, right? They're you know, if you if they're written with without correct facts, then that's what it is then you have reviews That's opinion, right? So you can't really write somebody on their opinion You can either agree or disagree and then there's the You know category of people who you just you think they're good writers and it's not so much what they're writing about but the fact that you You like that particular style. So a lot of nuances here Oh, yeah, and and the tech press is very interesting because tech press twitter Which is a very interesting place to be sometimes is oftentimes consumed with issues like okay, well Uh, these companies are demanding embargoes these companies are demanding Uh, uh that they get final read on stuff that's going out that they are getting increasingly controlling over All right, well, we'll show you something we'll give you because they know You can get the clicks if you're early you can get the clicks if you're exclusive So if you buy a press it's the worst For some of that stuff. I remember when I was working at game spot I was a not an uncommon thing. Oh, it's it's all the time. It's daily Uh, and some journalists play by those rules and others tweet about how Uh, those other outlets are bad because they're playing by those rules And they'll publish the emails that they got from The other people but even then There is a vested interest in everybody keeping this entire thing afloat Because it's everybody's jobs. I mean that used to be the great Accusation leveled against automotive journalists, especially magazines because They they needed to put a positive spin on certain cars that You know, whether or not you believe the the people involved They would say they would be ringers. They would be cars altered To enhance performance or do something specific in order to garner favorable attention Even though the actual model sold to the public would be under, you know, slightly Or not just slightly but it's not the same power rating or whatever Um, and that was like the big thing It's like you guys get winded dine and you guys write these amazingly positive flower reviews for a pile of crap and this and that Well, do you guys remember that story that came out a few months ago about the mattress industry and the blogs surrounding the mattress industry? No I do. I I didn't investigate all that much. So please get us in the loop If I am looking for a mattress Well, then congratulations You are at the center of this story because if you want to buy a mattress and now we are in a boom time for mattresses That that casper and tufted needle and purple and all these mattress disruption Mattress disruption is a major thing because people realize that a foam mattress is something that people like You don't need to have a gigantic feather mattress and they can send a foam mattress in a box, right? And it's a fairly cheap situation And it's a very high ticket item that in general does not cost you a ton to manufacture. So now there's a boom What happened after that is now Roger if you were to buy a new mattress, what would be the first thing you would do Before you purchased it. I would go online to see The the available models and how they rate Exactly So if you have and there's a couple of these sites like sleepopolis or whatever sleepopolis. That's not real I'm almost positive. I'm pulling this bliss I'm pulling this from the top of my head. So I do not know for sure initially The idea was that uh, you're right That uh, uh They would Have just affiliate deals So if we sold the mattress based on a review that you wrote you would get x amount of money And then I believe casper was at the center of it Uh, they realized how much money they were paying out to these people and how much They theoretically could make if that site crashed another mattress or Didn't review other mattresses at all And so then the the issue became all right. Look, we'll either pay you outright Or we will up your affiliate But you can't write anything else and then god forbid you write a negative thing about us now We're going to cut off your affiliate status Full stop so there was a whole big article on it that was fascinating and I only say this to say that That is a microcosm for the media and advertising And it is closer to the reality Now how they react to it is a different story But that is closer to the reality of Every media you look at than not And also a great reason why mattress retail stores as much as I never want to visit one Are a good idea because you can just lay on something and be like, yeah, I like it You know, hopefully some offer almost the exact same price. It's just like it's it's a thing All right, uh, another thing is that we need to go but thank you for watching today's episode We're back with shannon morse tomorrow. Len peralta is out Uh until then see you manana. Good day internet. Thanks for being here. 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