 We are talking about the handshake tour that we have seen in the recent days and to help us to understand whether this handshake tour will be helpful to Kenyans. I have with me on my right, I have Daniel Oroga, political analyst on my left. I have Abubakar Rendama, he is a political analyst as well. So the question is, with the handshake tour help Kenyans to realize the development we die and need and to put things in perspective. We now move to our discussion tonight. I want to begin with you, Daniel. What do you make of the handshake tour? Thanks for having me Hilary, my good friend Abubakar. I think, let us know that the origin of the handshake is, people call it handshake, people call it various things. But what we really need to understand is that it came out out of something. We had very, very, what we call very hard times after the election. And we have to remember that it took two leaders to tangle, to reassure us that as a country, we really need to forge ahead. Forget about really what really differentiates us as ethnic communities and reunite. It's not like we forgot what happened. It has also remembered that the handshake initiative set forth what is called the building bridges initiative or the building bridges task force that I have got a very nine point agenda to pursue through. So let's not only always think about what we saw was two people shaking hands. What we really need to think is, is it sustainable throughout, is it or is it that when we are headed we're just about to go on an election. And we forget that we have a handshake and go back to an election. But before really I see that in some quarters it's been seen as a problem to assertion politics or like blocking a certain candidate, a potential candidate to ascend to power. So I think we'll only give a perspective of what this is all about. Alright, we'll be getting to that to see whether it was political sabotage or not. Now Abu Bakar, what do you make of the handshake tour? Because we saw them in Kisumu and everything they did, even the visitation. What do you make of that? Thank you very much Hilary for also having me here with my good friend Daniel. I'm very much grateful. I think March 9 was the most historic day Kenya has ever had. In terms of cohesion and integration. Because it's the day that two national leaders came outside the Harambe house and shook hands. An indication that there will be no more unnecessary fights. We hope and by then we knew very much, very well that moving forward we will have some good things coming towards because of that. Although sometimes I have some other reservations. Not all things that are done, they have the meaning that we are seeing. Some might be having different hidden interests in the genders. For me I really appreciated that it was a very, very, very good move. But again I have some questions as a young person to pursue and ask so that these two leaders, two national leaders can come into the limelight and tell us the way forward. Just shaking hands alone. It's good, yes, but they need to tell us what is it in this handshake. What was the details? Daniel you mentioned some quotas feel like something was not good. Do you think the handshake now was a political sabotage especially to this day at the houses now? Well much of it, I think this is what I just began to say that you see in Kenya our political history and what has been happening, our political platform is that any move would always have political connotation in it. And that is how the Kenyan voter, that is how the Kenyan citizen has really been treated to political happenings throughout. And it's an issue we don't blame the massage. But coming into this, I am one of the proponents of the BBI initiative because I didn't just like it because it was two people shaking hands. I took my time and read through what the nine point agenda was all about. And you realize that one of the things was what the president and Honorable Right Prime Minister trying to do is to unite the country, ensure that there is inclusivity, ensure that there is rights as well as responsibility, ensure that corruption is dealt with, and ensure that there is an end of political violence. So you see in all these, the agenda that we talked about, it's people can be mysterious about what is all about. It's simply because the persona of the former prime minister begs a question where he is still energetic enough to have another run, another chance for 2022. We all know that right now the president or the jubilee side has not been coming forth to reassure the deputy president that our 2013 agreement is still impact. Even though we know it's still impact because agreements until the election, until that happens. But of course I agree with what my friend Abubakari is saying that the readers from both Kenya and the side of the deputy president has to question. Now that you're bringing the former prime minister in question, could you reassure our followers that you're still going to support even with the coming of handshake? But again Hilary, handshake needs to be devolved. You understand? Today we are just reading what is happening in Narok. If we are asking the leaders in the border to devolve handshake that could not have happened, kisumu nandi border. If we are asking the two governors to reach out to one another, member of parliament to shake hands. So it's an issue that Kenyans really needs to take and run away with and ensure that it's going on throughout. Very well. You said it's good for them to tell us what the handshake was all about. Now we saw the jamhuridei being celebrated in kisumu. Do you feel like the unity that was shown? Actually for the first time after a long time we saw the opposition leaders together with the government in the same platform. Now do you think the people from the lake region benefited as much? I started by admitting that handshake was something very good for the sake of the unity and cohesion of this country. That one is a fact. However we have the key players, especially the young people. They are talking about these nine pillars. There is one pillar that talks about the ending and immocity and violences during elections. Who are these people that are involved in these election practices? For example in terms of violence itself, it's the young people. As we speak, that committee that is being headed by Yusuf Hajji and Paul Mwangi plus Amuswako. Those are just three of the members that have mentioned that are sitting in that committee. Mind you, they are not youths. And the most people that are being subjected or the ones that are being always subjected to violences are the young people. So we are talking about the handshake, this handshake that is being cohesioned. With this cohesion, who is the key player? Who is playing the biggest role in it? So as for me, I would be very much comfortable when I see some of our young people sitting in that committee so that they can recommend the issues of young people within Kenya. If I could ask... Secondly, we have been told about ending corruption within the same pillar. This is just a few pillars I am talking about. This ninth match, the handshake happened after the budget. It was already out. So I am wondering and I managed to ask where are the funds coming from to fund this initiative. It is a very good initiative. Yes, we have been refused. But where are we getting the funds to fund this initiative? That means there are some resources somewhere from a certain department that is being channeled again toward this initiative and services in that sector, they are not being rendered. So again, we are talking about ending corruption and we are not being told where as this money coming from the one that is behind this initiative. It is a very nice initiative. But we need to be told these things so that we can now be very comfortable with all these things. Lastly, about the political part of it. The deputy president even came and said he is supporting the handshake. It is only a fool who cannot support that because it has brought our economy back on course. I am not saying any quarter that it should be worried about this thing. But again, there are some people that are using this initiative to scope political agendas. So again, we also need to be told in terms of setting political agendas how is it that this initiative is correlated with it. We want, if anything to go by, we need to deter this thing completely away from politics because at the end of the day these are two political leaders that they have decided to share their ambition and come together. So if there is something to go by, they are supposed to be very independent as leaders and not as politicians. So the matter of one quarter thinking that the handshake is going to maybe to bring a bad image on their side, it is not supposed to be that. And also the initiators of this handshake itself, they need to come out very clear. Someone should not come out and say that this initiative will spearhead referendum and you know when you talk about referendum, some quarters will hear. You understand? So need to be very clear on these issues. All right, I see, Rogo, you have something you want to say, but before you respond to that, because actually we are running out of time, why do you think the youths are more prone to be used in terms of elections and why do you think they are most used when it comes to causing trouble? The youth have lost hope in this country. A lot of appointments are not given to them. We are only being used during campaigns and we have been reduced to that state that Taimiya campaign. Some of the leaders say that we are ignorant, they really are ignorant, of which I don't subscribe to that because we are the most adworking people we've ever had. An employment is the key thing that is making us being used each and every time. So once even these initiatives like this one come and young people are given opportunities to get employment in these initiatives, it will be at least we will be better off than where we were during the last time. So generally it's the politicians or the leaders of this country that has reduced the young people to be beggars and jobless so that they can be using them during the campaigns. So basically our systems are failing us. Our systems are failing us and when we start talking about these things, somebody will start calling us names. Like the other time the youth of this country, they were called the thieves. That they eat wherever they go, they eat the pub. And that's where the position was given to someone older. It was very much, it was very much unfortunate. Okay, we're running out of time. I want you to respond to his sentiments as we finish. Well, I agree with most of the issues that have been brought by Bubakar. First forward, young people should not sit, cry foul and wait. This is one thing we really need to tell ourselves always and always. The opportunities that we see being grabbed away by the old God are equal opportunities that we can fight for and get. And I think the only way we miss this is simply because there is no level playing ground for us as young people. And I think we also, and I said this sometimes ago, we don't just have to wait that we'll be given. Young people are so innovative and we have tyrant of numbers. We have so many in this country. The question then begs is, when are we going to change? When are we going to decide that to change? But the thing is, do we appreciate content? 1969, there were young people. Who are they? Moikibaki, Tom Boyer and the rest. But look at what they did. We are still using their session on paper number 10 until now. So it means that the young people of that generation had good content to do. But as we are building bridges initiative, and I really agree, that is the only component I am critical about BBI. The fact that young people were not given an equal appointment to that committee means that issues are affecting young people and they are always at the center of political violence, either as perpetrator or as victims. So I think it's important moving forward. Instead of the third way alliance filing a petition to do away with BBI on the component that is not constitutional, in the component that is not really a decision by two people, I think I would have comfortably joined that petition when they said young people were not included in the platform. Then we would ask young people, we would be very critical about BBI. But let us also forget that. You see, the initiators of handshake were two people. Abu Bakar, they were two people. That was the current president and the former prime minister. So they have already come out and say we are popularizing the handshake initiative by having a tour and I would like also to really criticize the proponents who are always throwing tantrums at the deputy president. I think that is not in good vein because we need the deputy president as well to unite the country. But if we are seeing this as a way of trying to chuck us up politically and say you are 2022 is on a dream, I think that is not in good faith. Now I want us to finish by answering this question. Do you think Abu Bakar, the tour, will help Kenya realize its development? I don't think so because of the structures that are in place. As we speak in Kisumu the other day, they just went, launched a school, then they came back. How did the Kisumu residents at Alaj benefited from it when they are going to Kajadu? What are they doing for the economic empowerment? Because what we need now, in Kenya we have always had peace. We have peace even now. So there is no way you can tell me now it has any development achievement so far. Almost ten months down the line it has not achieved anything. I want to challenge whoever sits in that committee that let them think of something that will be of economic beneficial to the person down there at the grass road. As we speak now, most of the people don't even know that committee exists. It's only a few youth leaders who know the BBI and everything. But most of the people when you go down there they only know the handshake and that's it. So they don't know the inequalities, the insides of the handshake. So it hasn't. All right. Orogazi finished. Do you think we will see the achievement or the development that we need? We have sort of seen the achievement. And one of the achievements that we have seen is that there is this tranquility in the country which is much needed for economical development like Abubakar has just mentioned. I played with Kenyans. I always played with Kenyans that you see for the first time can we give this committee a room? It has a spelt work for it to do that it should be handing a report by May 2013. So that means that a lot needs to be done. And the only sceptical, and please the leaders that are in this initiative really, the only sceptics I have is sustainability. But if it is rolled through it is important that we give it a chance and it will probably see things like universal health care could have been launched in Nairobi in KICC. But as we launch it in Isiolo, there is much to come with the initiative. Very well. Many thanks gentlemen for coming and sharing your sentiments in regards to our topic of discussion tonight. They have been my guest Daniel Orogo, political analyst and Abubakar Andama, a political analyst. Coming up next is Wai Mashariki I see DJ TSK is very much ready. DJ TSK kaniaje. Habari alew. Alew kona nani? Lew kаяs. I kona ask him to be the next day. Okay. 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