 So if board members could turn their cameras on, please, I think we're all here. Chair Weigel, we're having some technical difficulties. Do you mind holding for a minute? We're waiting for Amy Nicholson to get on. Okay, sure. Yeah, no big deal. Five, 10 minutes. What do you guys want? Let's do five. Okay, sounds good. No big deal. Thank you. No problem. Staff liaison, Nicholson, would you please test your audio and visual for us? Hi, good afternoon. Can you hear me okay? Perfect. Thank you so much. Thanks. For members of the applicant team, we will be allowing you permission to speak when the item comes up. Thank you so much. Hi, all. Recording Secretary Buck right here. Before we get started, I just want to let you know that we do have interpretation services joining us this evening. So there's something I'd like to say before we get started, if that's okay with you, Chair Weigel. How are we doing on the technical stuff? Are we all solved? Yes, we're okay. Can you hear me? Thank you. Thank you. Before you call the meeting to order, I just wanted to let you know that we do have interpretation services joining us. And I just want to say a little blurb for members of the public so they understand how to navigate themselves. Okay, sure. Maybe we'll do that after approval a minute. Does that sound like a good plan? Yeah, that works. Or maybe before that. We'll do it just right before that. Okay. That way we'll just roll it into the agenda there and be done with it. I appreciate it. Thank you. No, no problem. That's awesome. So are we ready to go then, if that's the case? Or do we need a couple more minutes? I'm cool either way. We're ready to start the meeting. Yes, we're ready. Okay. All right, cool. So if all board members could turn on their cameras, that would be fantastic. And then we'll roll that one item in right after roll call. That sounds good. Board member Sharon has not turned his camera on. But we can start without him. We do have quorum without him. There we go. There he is. All right. All righty. So with that. My sound wasn't on for some reason. I didn't know we started up. So with that, it is 438 and I would like to call the regulatory schedule. Excuse me, the regularly scheduled meeting of the city center of the design review board to order. So again, reminder as to why we are in the virtual environment still pursuant to government code section 54953. And the recommendation of the health officer of the county of Sonoma design review board members will be participating in this meeting via zoom webinar. Members of the public can participate virtually at www.zoom.us slash join or by toll free telephone by calling 1-877-853-5257. And you can use for, for either the web or the phone call in, you can please use the meeting ID 876-2004-5098. Public access to the meeting can be done through the zoom platform and to provide comments during public comment periods. Additional information related to meeting participation is available at the city's website, frcity.org slash design review board. The meeting will be live streamed at the city's website, santa-roza.legistar.com slash calendar. Click on the in progress link to view. The meeting can also be viewed on Comcast channel 28. And at the city's YouTube channel, youtube.com slash city of Santa Rosa. So with that, I'd like to turn it over to the recording secretary for roll call. Let the record reflect that all board members are present. Excellent. So with that, I'd like to turn it back over to staff for explanation of how to use the interpreter services that are being made available to us. Yes, thank you chair Michael. So, sorry, let me get to my different screen here. Okay, so we do have interpretation services joining us. Spanish interpreters. So, I like the interpreter on the Spanish channel to commence the translation of the meeting live translation can be heard on the Spanish channel to join the Spanish channel click on the interpretation icon on your zoom toolbar. So if you're looking at zoom it's going to be on the bottom of your screen. You're going to press the three dots and then select interpretation or you might see a globe. So if you join the Spanish channel, we recommend that you shut off the main audio so you can clearly hear the Spanish translation. Now I'd like to ask the panelists to switch over to the Spanish channel and translate. Sorry, give me a minute here. So just for me, maybe I have an outdated zoom platform but I'm not seeing the live a translate button or Spanish channel. All I see is participants share screen raise hand record live transcript which is the closed captioning, which is kind of cool. And then apps after that. Can you try pulling it up again. I just, I had a press a different button. Can you view it now. It just showed up on mine. It was not there before. Okay, perfect apologies. That was a technical error. Yeah, and I'm not seeing it online but like I said, maybe I have an older zoom platform. Yeah, it just popped up. I didn't click anything so. But I believe I have clicked on the Spanish translate but, you know, just showed up so. So I don't have it, but that's okay. I guess. I moved the interpreter into the Spanish channel. I'm going to move them back and see if he was successful there with me here. Apologies, interpreter Pablo. You know it looks like he's still in the Spanish channel. Apologies. I am seeing they both have a little ES next to their name under panelists which is kind of cool. So yeah, maybe they're so they're in the Spanish channel now. I guess the question is, is can they hear us to translate. Okay, he's back in the English channel. Can the interpreter please let us know if they were successful in their translation. Apologies. So this is my only my second time doing this. I guess once they're in the channel, they have to stay in the channel. So I think we can keep moving forward and they'll continue to translate in the Spanish channel as needed. It's like a plan. So again, just, yeah, just let me know if there's an issue and, you know, we can take a break and, you know, work out the whatever technical kink we may have. So just, again, let me know if we need to do that. Hey, it's all good. You know, I think we're all still trying to figure out this, you know, virtual meeting saying sometimes, you know, I found going out video breaking. I mean, we had we had something the other day here at our office our teams wasn't working for some reason. We were having a staff meeting. So there you go. You know, the life of virtual meeting. Yeah. Hi. All right, so with that, I'm sorry to jump in here. No, go ahead. It sounds like we, I don't know if any of the board members speak Spanish because we actually need someone to say in Spanish on this channel that Spanish interpretation is available on another channel since the interpreter is now in that other room. I kind of, yeah, I'm sort of, I can sort of speak Spanish. Give me one second. I'll think about how to say that. Chair, I can get Sheila. She speaks Spanish and she can come over into my office. Okay, I think maybe I have this kind of work. I just said Spanish interpretation is available on the Spanish channel. Is that good? Do I need to say anything else? Chair, do you want to repeat that one more time? Did you mention to press the icon? Oh, no, I don't know how to say that. Let me pass it over to Sheila really quickly. Yeah, that's fine. Thanks. If you want translation in Spanish, there is an image below that looks like a balloon. Make a click on the balloon and you can receive translation in Spanish. Thanks, Sheila. I got, I got only about half of what she said. So good job. Thanks. So with that, we'll move on to the approval of the minutes and I do not see any minutes in our board packet. So we'll just move on past that guy and we'll go to item three, which is a public comment. And at this time, this is any person, any member of the public may address matters not listed on the agenda, but which are within the subject matter and purview of the design review board. The public may comment on agenda items when that item is called. So please do, if you would like to make public comment, please now please don't make comment on the scheduled item. You'll have an opportunity to do that later. Each speaker is allowed three minutes during public comment. And so recording secretary is going to bring this up and she'll give you a description of how to raise your hand and press star, whatever it is in zoom. If you're a member of the public wishing to make a comment, you can do so by selecting the raise your hand icon on your zoom screen. If you're calling in, please dial star nine. Chair Weigel doesn't look like we have any, any hands raised. Sounds good. So we're seeing no hands raised. Oh, hey, I got a, we got hands or hand raised. I'll turn it back over to you recording secretary. I'm sorry, Eris Weaver, I'm going to send you a prompt to unmute yourself. Can you please state your name for the record. Hi, yeah, this is Eris Weaver of Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition. This is the first time that I have sat in on meeting of this particular board, and I have, I just have to say that I am appalled at how this whole thing within the translation setup was done. We've been doing meetings on zoom for two years now, and I haven't seen things be this discombobulated in any other city meetings and to watch a room full of white men tackling while it is not being done correctly was even more appalling. And I feel like the city needs to make an apology to any Spanish speakers who are over there in that other channel about the lack of getting that done properly. Thanks for your public comment. I don't see any other raised hands at this time. So with that, I will close public comment. Amy, do you have any thoughts on that before we move on as our board liaison. Thank you chair and I certainly appreciate the public comment. I think there were some some technical issues. I appreciate that. I'm sure you were looking up a way to communicate in Spanish and that we were able to get a planner over here quickly to relay that message, but we're sometimes things happen it certainly wasn't our intention and so we were trying to work through the situation the best that we could. Thanks Amy and I would like to say something I think you know, I think that when we encounter technical difficulties with virtual meetings. It is somewhat humorous in this day and age I think we all I think throughout the meeting tonight will probably say hey, by the way, you're on you're on mute still or, you know, many of those things and I think, you know, many people have virtual meeting fatigue. That's probably what we were chuckling about not not anything related to the translation services. And also this is the very first time we have had translation services available during our meeting and so again this is new to us as well and we're happy to have it that's fantastic. I think everybody from the city would agree that the more public participation we can have in a meeting. English speakers Spanish speakers or whatever language someone may speak that hopefully we can make things available for them to be able to communicate and participate in the city's public process is the ultimate goal. I think for everybody that sits on a board, or as a city employee, or an elected official. So thank you. So with that, I'd like to move on to item number four board business. This is where we read our state and the purpose as the design review board. This comes from zoning code chapter 20 dash 52.030 f project review. The review authority shall consider the location design site plan configuration and the overall effect of proposed project upon surrounding properties. The review authority in general review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan, any applicable specific plan, applicable zoning code standards and requirements, consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines, architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements, e.g. city policy statements and the development plan. So with that we'll move on to item 4.2 board member reports. Does anybody have any board member reports. I'm sure perhaps board member staff may have one. I think we'll have one tonight. I think. Oh, we talked a bit about this last meeting. This will be my last meeting with this group. And as we talked about last week, as I mentioned last week, I've thoroughly enjoyed working on this board and with this group of individuals. Thank you for letting me be part of these discussions. I'll be moving on to city council starting next week. But we'll certainly be working with each of you and with this board in the future. So thank you very much. Board member staff and again, congratulations on your election to. The district to council person feet. Is that correct? I guess it right. Correct. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Anybody else have a board member board member report this evening. All right, seeing none. We will move on to item 4.3, which is other business and I do not believe we have any other business. So we will move on to item 5 department report. And with that, I will turn it over to our board liaison supervising planner Amy Nicholson. Thanks chair. I do not have any department reports today. Thanks, Amy. All right. So with that, we'll move on to item 6. This is our statements of extension for scheduled items. So does anybody have a statement of extension for scheduled item. 8.1. That's all that's scheduled for this evening. All right, not seeing any extensions. We'll move on to item seven consent items. We do not have any consent items tonight. So with that, we will move on to item eight, which is our scheduled items and we'll move on to item 8.1, which is a concept design review for the. We need a highway one on one bicycle and pedestrian over crossing connecting Edwards and Elliott avenues. So with that, I'll turn it over to city staff for a staff report. And typically what we have done with concept items just to review this for everybody with concept items it's a non actionable item. The board will review and provide comment. We'll also have an opportunity for members of the public to voice their opinion, same rules as regular public comment three minutes and we'll bring up the timer. We'll do that after we do a staff report and an applicant report. And I think this is a unique item because I believe the staff report and the applicant report are kind of intertwined because it's a city project. Unless I'm mistaken. So with that, that'll be kind of the order of the operations for tonight. We'll have the staff and applicant presentation. Public comment, and then we'll bring it back to the board for questions and questions of staff and applicant. Hopefully with members of the public informing those questions. We always like to hear public comment. So thank you very much for attending the meeting and ready to bring your a game with your public comments. We appreciate that. And then we'll move to comments from the board on the project. And then I think we'll have a short discussion with the applicant kind of on the comments and questions and whatnot. And then we'll likely be done with the items. So with that, I would like to turn it over to city staff for a staff report slash applicant report for the highway one on one bicycle and pedestrian over crossing project. Good evening, everyone. Just want to make sure that the proper presenters with me on this. Looking for Steven Grover. I'm here. 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Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening. Good evening There's a crossing that is a critical link in the east to West by the PED network identified in the city's bicycle and pedestrian master plan is updated in 2018. With this presentation, I have Stephen Grover project architect with Stephen Grover and associates and I also have Nathalina Bernardi, she's the team's design consultant project manager with EKF engineers and so for this evening we are here to provide bridge design updates and receive input on the DRB for the proposed eastern touchdown landing, fencing and railing, lighting, planting and concrete finishes which was a request from the last DRB meeting that took place in November 4th of 2021. Next slide please. So today's presentation will be outlined as follows. I will provide a project status, print scheduling and targeted milestones. Stephen will provide a recap of our last DRB meeting. The team will be sharing current design refinements and then we intend to conclude the meeting with a discussion. Next slide please. As I mentioned earlier, the project will construct a class 114.5 foot wide bike pad shared views crossing many of the US highway 101 at the Elliott Edwards alignment. This project has been pursued by council since 2007, the city's 2010 bike pad master plan listed this as the project with the highest priority for both bicycle and pedestrian projects. The project would connect and close a significant gap in the transportation network for bicyclists and pedestrians in the northern half of Santa Rosa and it will serve as a connector providing a safer more comfortable alternative for bicyclists and pedestrians over the freeway highway between two high traffic interchanges at College Avenue and St. Elaine. The project will increase access to academics, residential, commercial and recreational areas and as well as transit hubs. Next slide please. Project milestones. Back in 2010, a feasibility study was completed and adopted by council. The feasibility study assessed the need and purpose of constructing a B-POC adjacent to the SRJC. In October 2016, a project initiation document with a project study report was developed and approved by Caltrans that identified commitments that corresponded to the project's scope, schedule and cost estimate. March 2021, we received project approval from Caltrans and an environmental clearance based on the Edwards and Elliott Bridge alignment when it was approved and in 2021, 12 million dollars in funding was awarded to this project through the active transportation program by MTC. As of today, we are currently in the 95 percent progress stage with plans and we are approaching 100 percent. So the design began in June 2021 and we held additional public outreach events and that was in December 8th and kind of one. Next slide please. Next steps for the project in December 2022, that's next month, the city will submit our 95 percent plans and specifications to Caltrans with an incorporation of DRB input today. Again, we'll submit that to Caltrans. So the city expects that design phase to be completed in fall or winter of 2023 and in spring 2024 comes around. We expect to break ground for construction. So construction will take approximately two years from the end of the spring of 2026. And I would like to introduce Mr. Stephen Grover or Stephen Grover and his associates. We've been lucky because Stephen Grover has been the architect in the project. That's its beginning inception in 2007. So Stephen Grover, please. Next slide please. Thank you, Chris. We're pleased to provide the board tonight or with an update about the design of Santa Rosa's bicycle and pedestrian over crossing project. Excuse me. This presentation will begin with a brief recap of the design elements presented last November to the DRB. I will then discuss the items we were asked by the DRB to return with. I want to note here that Caltrans is also a key stakeholder for the project, particularly for the portion within the state right of way. And they're also reviewing the proposed design at this time. Last November, we presented to the DRB how the project's location, alignment, and structure type were selected. We also presented the proposed design for the bridge approaches and the main span. At that time, the DRB expressed concurrence with our proposed project location and affirmed the offset single-pylon cable-stayed bridge structure type proposed. The board also expressed a preference that the light and contemporary design is kept as clean and open as possible to maximize views and visual transparency. The board also affirmed the proposed configuration for the west touchdown shown here. I'd also like to note that the Santa Rosa community has expressed an interest in incorporating public art into this project. At last November's DRB meeting, the board stated that the bridge itself should stand as art, so if any additional artwork is to be included, it should be off the structure so as not to distract from the bridge's overall clean and simple lines. Accordingly, the design team identified several areas outside the state right of way and on city property where public art could occur. Here in the shaded areas in the plan view at the top are some potential public art locations adjacent to the Edwards Avenue sidewalk on the west side of Highway 101. And here are some potential public art locations on the east side. I'd also like to note that on April 4th of 2022, city staff presented this project to Santa Rosa's Art in Public Places Committee. The committee at that time supported making the public art around the bridge a project within the city's public art program, but a separate project from this bridge project. And the city staff has committed to continuing to coordinate with that committee. The last time we presented the design, this board requested that we return after we've examined further how the taller safety fencing over Highway 101 could better transition at each end. Here's our proposed refined fencing termination design. We're proposing a stainless steel fencing and railing system. The stanchions and rails from 304 stainless steel with a mill finish. The cable mesh is also stainless steel. And the traveled way surfaces that you see here would be polyester concrete with the bikeway portion colored to replicate the look of asphalt and the walking lane colored to complement the pavers at each end of the bridge at the touchdown areas, which define pedestrian or multimodal mixing zone areas. Here's an example of the same type of cable mesh fencing used on a similar project. And here are some of the details for the fencing and railing. Better understand the level of transparency provided by this type of fence infill. Here's a photo of a project that used the same size cable mesh fence material. And here's another view a little bit more head on. Here is an image at the corner of Armory and Elliott showing how the railing and fencing elements will integrate with other project elements such as the bridge deck, the backstays, and the pylon near the corner. The board also requested that the design team return to present an updated design for the east landing area. Here's an image of what we presented previously. This was a preliminary concept pending further coordination with the junior college following that coordination with the SRJC and with the design team for the new student housing building adjacent to this project. We updated the design of the east landing area. Here's another view of it with some of the trees removed so you can see the hardscape elements better. We are proposing that the pathways connecting to this east touchdown area be colored and finished to match new pathways as specified for the new Santa Rosa junior college student housing project. We're proposing concrete pavers at both the touchdown areas and also at this south facing seat wall in order to define more passive areas for mixing and pedestrian activities. We're proposing a herringbone pattern with blended colors to better mesh with the colors of the traveled way surfaces on the bridge approaches in the main span. For the seat walls themselves, we're proposing a light colored concrete with an acid etched surface. The refined east touchdown design uses trees, some small birming, and these seat walls to create an outdoor room, a wide curving pathway with new planting on either side and a retaining wall with integrated seating will connect the touchdown plaza for this project with the new student housing building. Here's a view of the east touchdown as seen from the east approach and here is the east approach and bridge structure as seen from the east touchdown. We're proposing strip lighting at the base of the seat walls to define the perimeter of this outdoor room and some small point sources at the ends of the seat walls to better mark the entries to this area and also to help keep cyclists from hitting them. The configuration of the west touchdown remains unchanged as I mentioned previously. However, we've refined the architectural vocabulary here to be in keeping with the rest of the project. Again, here strip lighting at the base of the seat walls and some small face mounted fixtures at each end for safety. We're proposing a very low level wash up light wash of the pylon, a level just to provide a small amount of drama but without creating a distraction for drivers or making it difficult to focus on the exit sign. The lighting for the traveled way is proposed to be rail mounted fixtures that just light the traveled way surface itself and don't create glare for that gets in the eyes of cyclists. Here's a project we designed that was recently completed in Marin County using the exact same light fixtures, rail mounted light fixtures. We included these landscape, the planting list and the planting plans so that they would be in your packet in case you wanted to review them in advance. I'll skip through them for now. At the bottom of the pylon at the corner of Armory and Elliott, we hope that the planting here will create a bit of a visual base from which the structural elements, the pylon and the thrust block can emerge. And ideally the bridge structure will appear to float above these landscape elements. Here's a view from the south side of that same area. I want to note that the representations of the stocked Aeonium plant here are a bit improvised. We didn't have those in our library. What I do want to point out here in this view however is that on the right side of the image it's a concrete deck and on the left side starting with the outrigger is it's a steel deck structure. Now we worked very hard with the structural engineers on this project to design the structure so that we could have an unbroken geometric continuity between these two materials. And so for the finished treatments we are attempting to retain that sense of continuity. The concrete portion will be smooth formed, uncolored concrete, and the steel portion painted to match. The vines on the south side of the west approach walls are intended to soften the appearance for this residential context and also deter graffiti. We have selected a plant that will grow only on the wire trellises so it will not become a maintenance headache by growing beyond the intended limits. The concrete for these walls will be uncolored with a vertical board form texture. Of course the concrete deck sitting above these walls will be smooth formed as I mentioned previously. In response to community and adjacent property owner input you may recall that the sidewalk geometry here along Edwards is intended to activate this sheltered area under the west approach. The plants and boulders have also been selected to help deter encampment and keep pedestrians from cutting through the landscaping. In keeping with the environmental document commitments for the project the pylon will be painted a light color essentially a shade of white or light gray that complements the natural context as well as the other finishes proposed for the architectural elements in this project. I'd like to note that we will be requiring a large-scale field mock-up during construction to confirm final finish and color selections. And with that I'd like to thank you for your time and attention. We look forward to your discussion and we'll be happy to answer any questions you have. Thanks Stephen and Chris. Thanks Stephen and Chris. So with that I'd like to move to public comment and it looks like we have several members of the public tonight that are that have joined our meeting. So if you would like to make public comment on this project please raise your hand in the Zoom platform and the recording secretary will recognize you and then they're also going to put up the three-minute timer there. So with that I'm seeing some hands so and then we'll review the recording secretary will view how to do that and we'll get the timer going and we'll take public comment. Really excited to hear what you guys have to say. In case you missed the instruction at the start of the meeting if you want to raise your hand to make a public comment please do so. By selecting the raise your hand icon at the bottom of your Zoom screen. If you're calling in please press star nine. I see Alexa Forrester has your hand raised. Alexa I'm going to send you a prompt to unmute yourself and can you please state your name for the record. Hi everybody can you hear me? My name is Alexa Forrester. Okay great thanks. My name is Alexa Forrester and I am very interested in this project. I think the design is really beautiful and I wish I could blink my eyes and have it there tomorrow. I am calling in both as a professor at Santa Rosa Junior College. So my office is just down the street from the site. My students would use this bridge all of the time and I would also use it as both a cyclist and a pedestrian. I am also one of the co-leads of Bikeable Santa Rosa which is a community organization campaign advocating for connected and protected bikeways. And so I agree that this is an essential linking component for our overall city network. I had one design question I'll just I'll make both my questions and then I'll hand it back over to you. I had one design question and then one question for the project manager overall. The design question is that the two-way cycle track envisioned here is at the absolute minimum width for a cycle track recommended by various designers including the National Association of City Transportation Officials is eight feet and so that had been a concern for me if there was going to be a big curve between the sidewalk and the cycle track. In earlier designs there had been an angle mountable curve there but then in the designs that you just showed it looked like maybe we're just going to go flat across the whole thing with just color differential so I just want to put a word in for either an angle mountable curve or flat across the whole bridge rather than having a curve breaking up the pedestrian and the bicycle lanes. So I just wanted to know what the what it's going to look like and advocate for something that will allow flexibility for both pedestrians and cyclists in emergency situations. Then my other question about the project as a whole I was just on the city council meeting last on Tuesday and the city council just decided to take 3.4 million dollars that was earmarked for this project and spend it on Herne Avenue instead and so I'm wondering if the project manager was factoring that into timelines and I just want to say that this has raised a lot of concern among the people that I advocate with that this project may be delayed and so I'm wondering if you could speak to the overall timeline in light of that and the other question I had related to that was that on the city council meeting the city is projecting that the Herne Avenue over crossing which is five lanes of traffic plus bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure is slated to cost 3.6 or sorry 36 million and then they had the estimated cost of this one at 34 million and that just seems a little bit perplexing that a bridge like this would cost almost as much as the Herne Avenue so I'm wondering if either architect or the project manager can speak to those cost estimates and how that might impact the completability of this project thank you thanks for your public comment typically what we do is we'll collect you know like questions like that and then after kind of public comment generally I try to you know take the questions of city and staff and I'll from the public and I'll ask them and we'll kind of get them all addressed at once so I heard a couple there and I wrote them down and and we will continue to do so so with that we'll turn it over to the next public call and thanks Alexa for your thoughts and questions the already next we have Steve Bertlebell apologies if I butchered your last name I'm going to give you permissions to speak and can you please state your name for the record thank you chair and members Steve Bertlebell with the Transportation Land Use Coalition I'm pleased to see this project moving slowly not so slowly I hope it would move faster but it's good to see it happening I do hope that the money that the city has borrowed it will be repaid by by the time we can get this going and I just want to recall that in 2007 we tried to decide how wide this should be and all of us tried it in one of the meeting rooms and I'm glad to finally see it happening let's move it quickly thank you thanks Steve I'm we're going to it looks like we have a small technical glitch there on the timer you only spoke for about 30 seconds so it's not a big deal but we'll move on to the next person I'm going to let the recording secretary let me know they've got that little timer glitch before we move on thanks apologies let me give me a second I just want to make sure my co-host is ready all good and I did while I noticed we kind of cut Alexa off there Alexa if when we we bring it back to the board and we ask questions if I happen to miss one you're welcome to email me at my city email address which is dweigel at srcity.org and I'm more than happy to make sure I get the question answered so again that's dweigel so dweigl at srcity.org if I missed something so I want to give you give you that anybody's welcome to email me if we missed a question or whatever if you have a public comment question that we missed because we want to make sure that we get those answered for you guys and probably for us so it looks like we're ready to go on the timer there Chair Weigel apologies can we just take a one minute break so I can step over there and help her out really quick sure apologies I mean we can while they do that can you go ahead and just yeah there we go so I mean we don't need to take a little break right now we can just pause public this is a concept meeting so we don't have to like take a recess or anything so maybe I'll just review these questions that we've been heard already and see if I heard them right two-way cycle track what's the minimum width eight feet is the industry standard did everybody else hear that I want to make sure we got that one big to the overall construction timeline and then there was a question about the the herne versus the bridge cost differential right everybody hear that or did I miss anything okay cool awesome yeah and Andrew to add to that Alexa was also asking about um how this the money allocation to herne would affect could potentially affect this timeline oh right that's right okay yeah I heard that okay thank you thanks Adam I want to make sure get that written are we cooking with gas now on the timer so we'll turn it over to the recording secretary and the timer and uh looks like next person up is John Sutter so recording secretary yes thank you very much so John Sutter I'm going to give you permissions to speak can you please state your name for the record looks like John is unmuted but I'm not hearing any uh sound because that's the case with everybody else so I'm going to go back to the recording secretary and the host uh are you guys seeing any technical issues on John's side outdated zoom platform etc no I uh John I gave you permissions to speak I also see that you are unmuted I'm going to make this recommendation as we've done before John so it does not appear that uh any sound is coming through uh from whatever device you're logged in with so I would recommend if you have the option if you could call in using the toll free number 1-877-853-5257 and enter the meeting ID 876-2004-5098 and then uh enter the the meeting that way via phone we'd love to hear your comment and so but it does not appear that sound is coming through right now from your device so I'd like to move on to the next public comment version please got it uh Chris Guenther I'm going to send you a prompt to unmute yourself can you please state your name for the record can you hear me can you hear me we can thank you please state your name excellent my name is Chris Stumper and I'm a senator as a resident mostly in the Bennett Valley area or northern Bennett Valley but also spend time traversing this part of the city I was actually on the west side today and was lamenting the the difficulty of getting around back to the east side so this would be a great improvement I think the design looks really really beautiful I want to commend especially the fencing improvements which versus the earlier renderings I think really makes the bridge stand out and we'll make it a great asset not only for bikers and pedestrians but also just to the visual impact of the city from a number of angles in that part of the city which fortunately are unfortunately right now is not much to look at just a couple of things from from my perspective one is just to reiterate some of what Alexa said I think especially around the divide between the lanes I think she clarified that eight feet is the absolute minimum of the recommended whereas the actual recommended width is 12 feet and I think that's mitigated if obviously both pedestrians and cyclists have the option of you know crossing into the other lane especially if they're you know crossing or passing somebody on the other going in the other direction that has a wider bike or a wheelchair or what have you so good to have some flexibility there I assume it's out of the question to widen the bridge at this point but for what it's worth wider would be better for the bikeway so you know take that or leave it I want to I know this is not really the purview of this committee or what we're discussing tonight but I just want to take the chance to reiterate how important it is that especially with a marquee project like this that we are also attending to the state of the bike infrastructure on either side of the bridge on the street and unfortunately right now on the elliott avenue on armory drive and on edwards on the on the west side the bike infrastructure is really not up to the standards that this bridge would make you want it to be in terms of making this a really really integral part of the city's bike network so I hope that in the time that it takes to construct this bridge that will continue to work on that and I know the folks who do work on that are probably listening so this is for them the last thing I'll say is I really like some of what was mentioned about trying to activate the area under the bridge on the west side I'm still a little bit concerned that it's a little isolated over there and again without better bike infrastructure the fact that it's on the side of the businesses that are there on cleveland avenue is a little bit of an issue and I hope that there's maybe some collaboration with those businesses around visibility and safety for that area that's all thanks chris we appreciate your comment I did want to it looks like there might be a new phone caller that might be our friend john suiter there wanted to remind him that you have to press star star nine on your phone to raise your hand so if that is indeed john had called in please press star nine to raise your hand and we'll recognize you accordingly so with that the next person please recording sir eris weaver I'm going to give you permissions to speak and can you please state your name for the record hi the eris weaver executive director of the tsunami county bicycle coalition I cannot wait to ride across this bridge it's beautiful um a couple of questions I don't want to repeat anything that's already been said I really appreciated that you showed the real life slide from the other bridge showing what the lights look like at night as a woman who rides alone and often rides at night one of the safety compromises or decisions I always have to make is do I take my chances with the traffic and ride on the street or do I take my chances with you know weird people I can't see because there's no lights on the class existing class one paths most of which are unlit and so how the um how the infrastructure is lit is very important to me and it looks uh good on the span itself it was less clear to me what the lighting is like at either end as you're approaching and getting off um because of course that needs to you know needs to be visible as well um I had another thought and it seems to have evaporated into the ether um so I will just trust that whatever it was someone else will come up with it as well thanks thanks eris for your thoughts um and with that we'll move on to the next public comment jenny bard I'm going to give you permissions to speak can you please state your name for the record hi yes this is jenny bard and I too am very excited to be here to support the overpass and the design um you know as others have said we we've been waiting for this bridge for well I know that it started in 2007 but we've been waiting for it for when we started talking about it for more than 20 years so um I can't wait to ride my bike across the bridge I've lived in Santa Rosa for 35 years mostly in the JC neighborhood and I am currently the president of the Sonoma County Bicycle Coalition and you we are very very excited to see this project come to to fruition so as others have said and I have spoken to this in the past but again uh knowing this is a design discussion but as it relates to connectivity could you speak to what discussions are taking place particularly with the JC and other property owners regarding what additional bicycle infrastructure will be considered to really make bicycling safe and inviting such as protected bicycle lanes lower car speeds on key corridors and connectors because you know ideally we want everybody to to ride across this bridge to walk across this bridge and so you know for cyclists of all ages and abilities to feel comfortable getting there we need to make sure that we have safe corridors for them to bicycle to and from the bridge and then um regarding the design I um I know that the design review board uh did decide not to include art on the bridge and believing that the art is in itself excuse me the bridge is in itself art um and it is truly truly beautiful but um and that you're putting the art on the you know at the base of the bridge um on either side and I I do appreciate that but uh I do think that there are more opportunities on the bridge to make a bolder statement uh regarding like the city's commitment to address climate change and and somehow perhaps looking at the walking path which right now the the the cross um the cycle track and the pedestrian path could be a place for messages as you're walking across the bridge it could be a place for uh inspiration um we're going to each of us will have be spending a little time on there so it's an opportunity for art perhaps painted art or worked into the the pavement itself in some way so I just want to encourage um to you to think about that um but in the end I'm so thrilled to see this project come forward and uh thank you all very very much thanks Jenny for your comments uh it looks like uh we have another raised hand there a couple uh no just uh John it looks like so with that I'll turn it back over to the recording factory John Sutter John Sutter um I'm going to send you permissions to speak if you are calling in you can press star nine or sorry star six to unmute yourself John um we still can't hear you I think the issue might be you need to update your zoom if you can please call in um the phone number is eight seven seven eight five three five two five seven and the meeting ID is eight seven six two zero zero four five zero nine eight so it looks like John's continuing to have some technical difficulties so uh in the absence of other raised hands uh I'd like to close public comment but what we've done in the past again since this is a uh concept meeting and it's not a public hearing uh you know uh for an actionable item uh if John can either call in or update his zoom or what have you uh if we see his hand pop up again later in the meeting uh we'll take a pause uh with what we're discussing and we'll turn it over to him for some for his public comment uh we because we do want to hear from him so uh before I completely close public comment uh I want to give everybody one last shot to raise their hand if they have anything to say and not seeing any I'd like to move on so with that we'll go ahead and close public comment and like I said we'll uh we'll go and leave it open there for Mr. Sutter uh if we see him again and uh we'll go to him to hear his comment but with that I'd like to bring it back to the board for questions of city staff and the applicants but I wanted to start with a couple of these items that we heard from the public try to get those out up in front if that's good with everybody all right so if we could maybe bring up the the presentation again uh Stephen Grover if you could share your presentation again and go to page 31 that would be helpful it's the view of the landing near Dix looking south night view or sorry the other one that's the JC side thank you so somebody had a question about how the landings are lit on either side so on page 31 and 33 of the presentation are rendering of the lit landing um so Stephen did you want to go over that a little bit more just again reiterate how those landings are lit sure I mentioned the strip lighting at the base of the seat walls to help define the perimeter especially for cyclists or pedestrians who are coming down the ramp so that they have a clear sense of where they need to watch out for an obstacle I mentioned also the the little point source lights at each end of those structures to again mark those corners as obstacles what I failed to mention was the pole mounted light fixtures you see here in the foreground there's one that lights this area gives some area light and there are similar lights on the east side pole mounted fixtures excellent thank you so much if you could go back and be two pages in the presentation so we could see the other other landing there and those are there's the pole lights that Stephen's talking about lighting that kind of roundabout so I think we've got that question answered so I think this next question here Stephen is also for you what is the total width of the bridge traveling and then what is the width of both the pedestrian lane and the bike lane so the bikeway consists of a total of nine feet that's eight feet for the the two-way cycle track and a not in a one foot shy distance and then there's a six inch one and a half inch tall mountable curb which I want to emphasize we've done mock-ups and experiments with and it's very very traversable by basically anybody because it's so low but it does also really help reinforce the sense that this is where pedestrians can feel safe and and that bicycles will only get into this area if they really need to pass somebody the but the the sidewalk area is five feet wide if I may I should also mention that we determined very early on that mode separation is an important feature for this project given the expected mode split the vicinity the the proximity of the smart station means that we do expect some what I'll call pulsing of pedestrians as well as cyclists at the same time that we'll need to share this facility and lastly I'll just mention that the width is very constrained we jump through a lot of contortions to eke out the width that we are providing in the design we really can't squeeze any more given the constraints of the the site excellent thanks so much even so the next couple of questions I really think are for city staff and I think city staff may not have the answers to all of these and that's okay but I thought we'd at least ask them and and see kind of you know perhaps the city staff is aware of kind of other discussions or or development occurring beyond the boundaries of the of this particular project so the first one I wanted to ask is what kinds of discussions are happening with the junior college business owners for other stakeholders in terms of development and developing the immediately surrounding bike infrastructure if any well I'll go and I'll fill this question up Chris Kevagon city of Santa Rosa I think for the last five years we've been in contact with the SRJC and particularly their capital director and we still meet on a monthly basis and meet with their architects regarding two projects one is their SRJC student housing and the APOC bridge itself so we're in constant communication in terms of just the landings and I think the SRJC is concerned about the road segments that that runs through through Elliott and so they have communications with our transportation group and with that being said there's constant information being passed along and so we do take a lot of these things into consideration when we continue with their design but yeah there there's constant communication frequent communication with SRJC thanks Chris I appreciate that and then also tied to that I think there was a general question about kind of just bike infrastructure in general in the city and I'm sure that your department looks at that you know obviously on a case by case basis in terms of you know what roads are being improved or projects are occurring etc could you speak to that just in a very broad sense yeah so yeah so I'm going to introduce myself so I'm Nancy Adams and I'm also in the transportation and public works department my my position is in the traffic engineering team and I am the liaison for our bike and ped advisory board that's city council appointed so my colleague Rob Sprinkle he's our traffic engineer and and we have been working with the community probably over the last year and a half just in terms of bike and pedestrian connections throughout our community and and the whole genesis of of these corridor meetings with that with our community is is based on our bike and ped master plan that which identified you know some some opportunities for us to continue to explore safe and comfortable connections by studying them which which is what we've been doing for the last year and a half and we as a result of these inputs that were received from the community and just looking at where we can you know add and enhance spike and pedestrian facilities we've looked at Mendocino Avenue there's been several conversations around that from college down to fourth and we're looking at you know trying to incorporate buffered facilities within those roadways and and you know some of the callers have been active participants in those community meetings so we we're doing you know we're doing the the the the work to to put in to try to identify you know where we can really make those more buffered and separated with vertical elements within our roadways but it's it's a work in progress right so I think that the the key is that you know know that we're doing it but it does take time and and with the support of the you know of our residents we'll get there but it's just incremental right and once you identify what you need to do then you have to find the funding to to make those improvements so it's it's very incremental but we are we're progressing which is a good thing excellent so then the next one here is a question about kind of the overall timeline and then they were I guess someone was asking about the impact of I guess what city council approved in terms of the HIRN improvements as it relates to the overall timeline with this project can you potentially speak to that sir yeah I'll do that as well so I'll start first auntie I'm actually the project manager for the HIRN Avenue Interchange Bridge too and we're working in conjunction with Caltrans. What I will say is that at HIRN Avenue Interchange is scheduled to go into construction in October 2023 so what's that being said before you can go to construction we have to find ways to secure funding or to get it they call it RTL but advertised and awarded and for this particular project the BIPOC we're hoping to go to construction shovel ready and it's doing 2024 so that's roughly it just a little bit under a year but those are two bridge projects that we planned to get constructed but I'll go on and turn it over to auntie to discuss that how that transferring money began and where that is right now. Okay so so thanks Chris I apologize for jumping in too soon so just a big a big backdrop right so we've got these two major investments that we've been that that have been on the books for for many years and it's it's it's been a struggle to get you know the HIRN Avenue Interchange to the finish line because it's been it's been designed right and to Chris's point it's it's ready to go we just need to get the funding there and we were able to partner with the Sonoma County Transportation Authority which is our county funding transportation funding agency to develop a funding strategy which Jason Knot our assistant city manager presented to our city council Tuesday right and so you know and if you listen to the to the recording you know one of the comments that the mayor made was and he's he's the mayor is the chair of the Sonoma County Transportation Authority one of the comments is he made is it's you know we can have two major investments that we are already but we don't have all the funding or we can get one of them you know under construction and to Chris's point HIRN is ready to go right and there were some funding constraints that we were able to secure that had to be allocated by June of next year so in order for us to to move that money into HIRN and make it all come together it's it's a very it's a very complicated process but you know the goal of the city is to get both of them funded and and council member Fleming was instrumental in getting the 3.4 million dollars from the Metropolitan Transportation Commission which she is a commissioner of and that money was one of the things that that the council had to to agree to shift that that funding to to HIRN to make that funding package work for HIRN and so she was pretty pretty direct with with the with the assistant city manager and the city manager about well you know do we this is this going to jeopardize the the bike peddler crossing and and you know are we still committed to to getting that to the finish line and I think the answer is yes because we have we have a 12 million dollar commitment already for active transportation funding that we were awarded and the the strategy is that we have a little more time to cobble together the money that was taken from from the over the bike pedder crossing to Chris's point because we're not we're not yet yet there in terms of going to a contract award we have about 18 months right so you know I I think we've positioned ourselves you know with with the council's acknowledgement there Tuesday in you know and in the best position we can as a city to to deliver you know the HIRN project and to follow up delivering very shortly after that with the bike peddler crossing so so you know there were some pretty pretty heavy lifting by the council members but you know it it's it's it you you got to think about all these financial strategies when you've got two significant investments that we're trying to get you know to the finish line and a lot of the cost you know the cost has come up and Chris is probably a better better respond to this but a lot of the the questions around the the cost of these projects is is because as you know the last 18 months the the price of materials has just skyrocketed so therein lies you know why it's so important to to capitalize on on you know getting these things out to bid and and if there's any savings that we um that results with the award of the HIRN which you know might the bids might come lower than what we had anticipated you know those are those will be things that we'll look at in terms of well well if that money go into back into the bike peddler crossing so there's just a lot of moving parts and you know I know that there's been some questions asked about it but hopefully you that's a little bit of the political and the the big the big picture conversation that's that's happened around those two projects so hopefully that helps thanks Nancy appreciate that and I think the last question here was related to money and so but I think it's a little bit different which you've already kind of addressed in that the member of the public was interested in I guess kind of the mechanics of why the HIRN overcrossing and this pedestrian bridge had a cost had costs that were similar to one another and I guess uh based on I guess the the the scope of the HIRN bridge versus the scope of the the pedestrian overcross if you could maybe talk maybe you or Chris yes I can I can speak about that I think in regards to that the comparable cost of the HIRN Avenue interchange and the BPOC is you know intuition would tell you that I mean because the HIRN Avenue interchange has a bigger building footprint you think it costs much more than you know just a pedestrian bike path but the truth is that the HIRN Avenue interchange is a concrete girder beam that could be pre pre fab and then dropped in as opposed to you know the BPOC actually being materials made out of steel and then even with some of these federal add the federal aid grant conditions that the whole Buy America clause where you have to buy steel manufactured and made in America and so with that being said yeah HIRN Avenue uh you know it does have a bigger footprint but uh again it just becomes out of materials and fortunately steel is a hard product to come across in the U.S. Chris may I add to that Stephen um I just want to mention uh for the public that the site constraints at the location chosen for the bicycle pedestrian bridge are such that a conventional concrete structure is just not feasible a very thin deck long span structure is required here and that costs significantly more so that in addition to the right-of-way acquisition utility relocations construction management and the skyrocketing steel costs all combined to make comparable construction cost numbers cool thank you Chris and Stephen we really appreciate that yeah I mean I think I think the big takeaway at least for me is that you have kind of a kit of parts component for the the the road crossing right which is I think you know anybody who drives a car drives around town drives around the state of California the U.S. you see a lot of precast concrete over crossing bridges it's a very standard kind of construction methodology and there you know there's a wide variety of way at HIRN from what I understand that was part of that process and so that particular design solution presented itself and as Stephen indicated they were heavy site constraints for the bike pedestrian over crossing and because of that it's it's not a kit of parts that's available or a prefab system they had to design something that fit within the boundaries of what was available and and find a solution that was not only you know attractive but also economical as economical as possible for this condition I think that maybe summarizes at least what I'm hearing and my takeaway so with that I don't have any other questions from the public aside from art but I know the board will likely have some questions about that so I'll leave it to them so with that I'm going to go ahead and go to a board member Sharon for questions of staff and applicant. Excellent thank you chair Weigel all right and thank you staff thank you Chris for the presentation and thank you applicant team for bringing this back to us do appreciate it terms of questions yeah I definitely support all the questions that the members of the public brought up some really great insightful and incisive questions too so thanks for everyone for for chiming in and for showing up my one question that hasn't necessarily been addressed yet is the placement of the proposed art it is underneath the the bridge for the most part or often the the landscape I'm just wondering one of the pieces of feedback we gave last year was to look at the landings as well and the entrance and exits for this just wondering the rationale I know it's a work in progress and is coming later I'm in the in the process as well but as far as what we're being evaluating today there the artwork is not in the the landings I'm just kind of curious about your rationale for the placement thank you one of the challenges with a project like this is is coordination and putting the art component in place where it could be handled easily as a separate project and designed independently is a key consideration in order to not slow down this project I think that was one of the main reasons why it's it's just harder to incorporate it at the okay okay thank you the what you do I definitely understand that and understand wanting to move with as much alacrity as possible and the what you what you have proposed though in the presentation um are based there are placeholders and there are placeholders in the landscape and they're you know potentially could be placeholders in landings or seat walls or things like that but thank you for the answer any other questions adam that is it for me thank you guys all right awesome thanks adam I'm going to go to board member staff now I'd like to thank the members of the public and city staff as well for some some excellent questions and clarifying conversations um I don't have any I don't have any further questions of my own right now thank you thanks mark uh board member McHugh any questions of the applicants and or yes I actually do have a question and one of the things that we talked about when this came before us before were the fencing terminations and in your presentation you identified those but you really didn't speak to what what we had talked about in in those terminations and perhaps blending them better in the design than than what you had currently proposed uh back in in November so I was wondering if staff could speak to that and let us know what your what your plans are can you see my screen I can we can yeah I was I was actually going to say can you turn to page 16 I think one of the key criticisms and concerns was the abrupt kind of rectilinear uh termination of the higher fencing at each end so what we've tried to do is uh terminated a little bit more gracefully but still within the confines of what's feasible structurally using a cable and cable mesh system and uh so what happens here is the I don't know if I can annotate uh this is a tension cable that carries the top of the cable mesh it passes over this stanchion and then it anchors to this lower railing stanchion and then you can see another diagonal member that carries it down so you would faintly see that the way that the forces are carried down to the deck well thank you very much I didn't quite I couldn't pick I didn't pick that up or you went by it faster than than I understood it so thank you very much for clarifying that for me thanks john anything else no that's it all right and with that I will go to vice chair birch for any questions of the applicant if that's great thank you very much my my voice is not returned in two weeks so I'm a bit croaky so I hope that I'm easy enough to understand the um one question that I have is is um the process now for selecting the color of the tower and I think you said you know you indicated I think there were six variations that appeared in sort of small scale format in the presentation um overall we have we have concrete and we have stainless steel and then uh and the cables are stainless as well I'm guessing and all of their hardware and turnbuckles and all the important bridge parts are all going to be stainless but the tower itself um how is that who is going to make that selection how is that going to be made are you looking for input tonight from this board if you have input we'd love to hear it uh I'll I'll move to those slides uh to that slide and and I have each of the um images that was small on that slide um available in the backup slides as a separate so I'll just flip through these we studied quite a few colors and color schemes um we looked at many many precedents uh we gradually came to the conclusion that with the sky as the background um and with something this tall that a dark color um would feel starts to feel kind of oppressive you can see that um here and uh we also tried to take into account the consideration of the other elements that you mentioned and that led us to the conclusion that you know we're looking at something in this same um uh I'll say the lightness of the stainless steel and uh the uh concrete colors how bright they are um whether we're in the the grays or the warmer the cold grays or the you know which tone we get into we're very interested in your input and thoughts great I will um I'll share a couple of thoughts in my comments then that would be that'd be great that was that was my only question yeah and I'm gonna tack on to that thanks Michael um Steven if you could could you just run through your a through e and kind of give them a I don't know a a name if you will yeah um you know I think that'll be helpful other than abcde um I know for me you know I I recently picked a a color match to try to match a brush aluminum right so um I think you know at least knowing kind of like in a broad sense what what kind of color this this is and might might also help the public too to kind of understand where we are with with a three and then I think also you know looking at your option one that you put up there um I mean it's certainly a huge hugely stark contrast between something like that um which is kind of you know a color that you'd see on you know perhaps a railroad trestle bridge or something like that something you know a lighter color that you may see on like a college drama bridge or you know this bridge for instance you know they tend to they're totally different kind of design vernaculars and that's uh interesting so anyway I'll turn back up uh so all of these colors that we used here in these simulations are they all have names which we chose to dispense with because they're all these weird fancy names that some color naming person came up with uh at the Tanimik paint company um but I'll just say that this is uh kind of a gray oops this has got a yellowish tint letter b this has got a teal uh a little bit similar to the color that was selected finally for the Berkeley bike bridge um here's a greenish less more greenish um rather than bluish and uh here I believe this was a white just a straight white and then because there's so much brick around the campus we we looked at this brick color and for the reasons I previously mentioned um rejected it I should also note that in the environmental documents we already stated that the grid that the pile on would be a light color so we don't really want to go back through that approval process excellent and so my final question here too is so the the color element that from a paint perspective is really the pile on and then also the get there's a where the the cables tie in to the bridge correct those would be the same color yeah so if we take as a given that the steel deck is going to be painted to match the concrete then that kind of removes it from the equation however the outriggers which um are pictured here let me change colors here the outriggers which are here could be the same as the steel deck or they could be painted to match the pile on and we found in our studies that if they in some cases if they're painted to match the pile on it gives some sense of relationship and helps tie things together so that's kind of a excellent variable cool thank you and then uh the only other easy question that I had was um and you speak a little bit to uh I think you said polymer concrete um for the for the for the bikeway travel lane did I get that right yes I hear you right yes could you speak a little bit about um the uniqueness of that material and why it's selected for in this instance so that's a polyester uh concrete it's commonly used on automobile bridge decks it's something that again we we chose here because we are so constrained uh with the depth of the structure that we needed to choose a material that could be as little as three quarters of an inch thick um but we also wanted to choose a material that would wear uh like concrete and be maintenance free and so it was the material of choice now the companies that provide this material have worked hard to develop versions tintings that look like concrete or asphalt but we can tint it with a custom color as well it's uh more like a think of like a fiberglass material a resin material with an aggregate in it excellent yeah I thought you know that's a really unique material and a unique this is obviously a unique and usage of it and I think understanding why I was picked and and and and how it ties everything together specifically with the limitations as you've mentioned is I think critically important to understand kind of why why the design evolved the way it did in many ways uh so maybe that's just the architect and being about materials I should also mention that it's very flexible uh so uh we've got a lot with with movement it it shouldn't crack excellent cool so thank you for that um I don't have any other questions of staff or the applicant uh anybody else final last call all right um and then I wanted to see if we had uh if our member of the public got his zoom platform updated maybe he'd like to make a public comment at this time if possible and if not that's okay too but we would like to hear from you if possible uh so I'm just gonna wait and see here as a reminder if you are a member of the public uh John Sutter I believe if you're calling in you can press uh press star nine to raise your hand um and then I'll send you a prompt all right so I'm not seeing that hand get raised so maybe we answered his public comment again if you want to send me an email my city email to make a public comment I'm more than happy to read that as well so we'll just let this sit for a second here see if maybe an email pops up or the zoom platform work one way or the other okay so uh not seeing email not seeing a hand raised so with that I'd like to move on to comments from the board um about the project so Adam if you would lead us off with comment on the project sounds great thank you chair weigel and uh thank you staff and applicant team for answering the questions thanks for that um yeah comments on the on the design and the iteration that you've brought um uh this it's it's great to see this this coming back to us again um it's great to see this moving forward um this is uh yeah I I continue to think that the design that you're you're zeroing in on is is beautifully done it's elegant um it's it's you know the some of the options that we saw to begin with um you know this you know really rose rose to the top for me in particular and for the for the board it seemed like and um I uh yeah I really appreciated you know in in terms of of both you know a literal and figurative um you know needle and thread that's that's knitting the east and the west side as um you know the member of the public who was saying he was on the west side this afternoon and getting back to the east side this is and it's difficult to to to traverse um the highway and this is um providing a very beautiful uh um a connection and it's a it's going to be a great asset continues to be and I'm really excited to see this moving forward um uh yeah um a few comments in particular about um the the nitty gritty um I do want to um uh encourage uh the the exploration of of looking at the art um being incorporated into the landings I think that there are a number of of benefits that that could actually add to the project it could be an asset um I understand the the um the sequencing of the project and trying to keep everything going and and um yeah I definitely know that uh it's it's juggling an amazing amount of balls to keep keep something like this moving um but uh I feel like that having you know the the artwork is is being one it's it's a it's a potential for expression of creativity of the community um it is a way to engage the community um both on both sides um of the of this uh of the project you've got the the jc you've got the neighborhoods on the west side you've got smart train over there there are ways to to use that um in a very visible way to to um announce those um entrances and exits to the to the structure um that could address some of the the wayfinding um for this that it doesn't just look like um you know a seat wall that's there and then you see often you see the the rising up to the bridge in the distance this is a way to create um two destination points two nodes um for the pathways um it's that idea of you know hub and spoke node and pathway that this you're creating um uh the the landing as it is now um I I appreciate the simplicity of the design um I think you know the nice swooping um seat walls the lighting is great um uh um but I I feel that it's um the where where the simplicity and elegance of the the bridge and the structure the decking the pylon um the stainless steel the the netting and the and the cables um are all great the the where this bridge um touches down to the ground I feel like it it is um it could deal with with some more um kind of oomph to it the it's the bridge itself is elegant the the simplicity of the landings at this point feel a little barebones um and uh and and so I um with incorporating art you know there could be some um sculptural elements um instead of the the island at the uh the eastern edge on elliott um instead of trees or three of a grouping of three trees I understand this is all conceptual but there could be a sculptural piece there um and the west side of edwards there could be you know something behind the seat walls that is another type of um sculptural element um again it provides the artwork and the creativity but when getting to the safety and the um announcing of the of this bridge um on the ground um they could provide you know uh you got um bikers coming down from the bridge um with these low seat walls um low-ish seat walls having something behind it visibility to to um to to know that they're that basically to have that path of travel be the turn um to have some some visibility break could be sculptural element at night especially um you're the lighting on the seat walls is going to is is is going to be really great but having something more um in the back there could be sculptural with a lighted component something like that and so there's just another um riffing off of the idea of exploring that while you're doing this um this design iteration um to that end um moving into the um the landscape and um the the the plant palette that you've chosen um is is uh appropriate and and um really um creative and great it's a it's a nice palette you've got here it is also um necessarily low um growing i feel like there could be some diversity of height in terms of the the plant species you've chosen um i don't see any uh i believe any um larger shrubs um in here you've got um one tree species but um uh thinking of of you've got a lot of forbes the you know non-woody flowering materials um but looking at um um shrubby shrubby uh uh plant species as well um if you could keep going with the the native plant palette native ish plant palette that you've got to is something like a man's kneaded or a coffee berry something hardy that um will grow be beautiful but provides some uh of visual uh um layering as well and so separation from the the traffic around and then also announces where people should go for wayfinding uh do do um the one nitpicky thing with the um plant species again i know it's conceptual but the orange milkweed um definitely beautiful but um i'd encourage um whichever landscape architect designer you have on on on the team to look into some of the thoughts about having um the exotic milkweeds rather than native um adapted milkweeds their um our concerns you know milkweed is great to have for um the um monarchs and butterflies but there's concerns with having tropical milkweed that um to get really deep into it but there there's some concerns with that and so there's i would encourage looking at the um the native uh adapted species there's showy milkweed which is very beautiful and lovely and has big flowers um and is also great um uh forage material and the host material for the butterfly species there's a narrow leaf milkweed which is even more applicable to the native heptas one thing to think about there with the um tree species i encourage rather than just the one you've called out with the golden rain to look at some diversity of tree species um both ecologically but also visually as well um uh let's see here um yeah the um i did want to um uh to re-emphasize the public comments about the integration to the bike network again we are the this is a thread that's that's coming across the highway um but we we need to know where this is this is not just living on its own it's it's connected to the networks i know that's a larger conversation um i also know that it's um it's complicated with the the funding that's that's available for this and has been um sounds like been reallocated to her i do um i know that that is a much larger conversation um one of the things that of that's an advocate for this project is the hern overpass is vehicular and bike this is um strictly bike and pedestrian um for talking about priorities um for uh the you know uh for our city initiatives this um with having having this be a a key priority to uh to knit with bike and pedestrian in particular no vehicular traffic on this bridge is a very important priority um uh so um i would like to see that emphasized as well um uh that being said also i think it's a an interesting thing to think about of the interpretive opportunities the programmatic opportunities across the structure uh the integrating something into the paving is good um there could be also um panels um very small and interpretive panels of some sort along the bridge something to um that could be creative again thinking about um outreaching to um to different communities around this the project too um um the color of the pylon um said you wanted um distinct um feedback from us about that um thank you for exploring all the the different um options and thanks for thanks for showing those to us um for me i i um i i i feel that the likeness the airiness of the the bridge will be enhanced um uh and complemented by going with the lighter um uh paint choices that you've got here thinking about the um uh the beauty of of the it's soaring up into the sky with the clouds of something that matches um the bright white clouds um this the you know the stark bright colors going with that um i think that this um yeah it could we don't want to necessarily have this blend um into into the surroundings but actually be this um uh very uh um you know narrow spire that is elegant and beautiful um there a reason why a lot of as drew mentioned call it rather that going with the white soaring architecture there very beautiful um very um light and airy while they're also strong and um substantive at the same time so that would be this might you sense some on the color um and believe that will do it for me and thanks um everyone for for um advocating for this bridge and all of your efforts um i know that people have been involved to this for many years and really um glad that this is moving forward thank you this is going to be a wonderful asset um to the entire city thanks adam um it looks like we might have a hand raised uh like mara baldwin and she's part of the african team perhaps that's maybe related to planting so uh recording secretary maybe uh can you grant her permission to speak that'd be great can you hear me this is mara baldwin i'm the landscape architect on the bridge team and um i was struggling to try to connect while you were asking your questions um about the planting so i don't think i captured all of them but um just to address the two that i did take note of the non-native butterfly weed um i did look at the others and i selected that one because i wanted to add some sort of pops of color within this kind of um nativey meadow which is um meant to evoke the underlying native environment of the valley out grasslands but you know that just because it's a you know contemporary structure and very public it just i felt it needed some sort of additional input from and um that's to the kangaroo paw and the um this asclepias both are happened to be orange which is conceptual but i i like it kind of pops pops in the kind of vast field of uh low grasses and um lots of uh um yarrow and um the other comment i think was on the cul rotaria that tree species which happens to be i had a tough time kind of selecting a couple of species from the street the city street tree list so that's usually kind of a you know requirement so that was one that i picked from that list i'm happy to change it um but that that was the reason for that it's a beautiful tree but i was kind of heading towards the kind of the native um scheme did i miss others do you want to uh no no i think they oh um just in terms of uh shrubs and and variations in height so yeah yes um we did talk about that a fair amount i it's kind of i kind of kept pushing for the issue of flammability especially given um you know sort of we live in a fire's climate and san eros is certainly familiar with that um and uh so my experience and people landscape architect circuit focusing on uh firescaping are thinking more and more about shrubbery which um builds up sort of a dense twiggy interior and especially when it's it just you know maintenance crews cannot help but shear shrubs and they shear them so there's a little green perimeter covering up a dense twiggy interior which is which ignites instantly so that's my reason for moving away from shrubs i totally agree with everything you said about you know having more massing and um which is a nice thing but um and this these are very long narrow planning areas so once you start putting in their shrubs um you sort of lose that but those are my reasons behind it yeah oh sure no definitely and thank you yeah it's uh um i am definitely pleased with it with the design it's definitely not uh um throwing the baby out with the bath water um but um yeah the uh you know they're they're definitely you know fires a concern primarily around you know um residential structures and thinking about flammability of this um area um yeah it's it's it's a concern in the shearing of course um land landscapers um you know it's it's almost a one-size-fits-all thing in terms of maintenance um but uh yeah there are you know there are species you know i um i trust your judgment on this um but uh you know just think thinking about ways to provide some of that visual layering and and relief um would be great sure and if you look more closely at the um the sort of uh the east side the the north um the northwest corner of the east side where um bent eight is the big structure um i've worked on that a lot and developed a kind of um uh a scheme of arps that mimic the cables of the bridge and also the long arcing bench and so i felt like that kind of was a substitute for the sort of layering effect a big sweeping arcs of succulents alternating with grasses and um yeah so you could kind of look into my plan and yeah at least to see what what's happening there definitely yeah and thank you for you know when when we provide feedback you know it is conversational and hearing the design intent is um you know that's uh that's 90 percent of what what you know i as a designer want to hear some you know and i want to tell someone what to do i basically want to hear the rationale why it was chosen and right that's always helpful yeah thank you for your comments i appreciate it sure yeah and um pops of color in terms of um other natives too i know i'm sure you've lifted them you've gone with the orange palette you know the the california fuchsia is one that's also that's a beautiful bright colors too and it does have variations and there's some height differences and a lot of different species something there um so yeah there there are plenty of options i know it's a work in progress but i'm going to bring that up and my question or my thought about the trees was was um was to think about um upping the diversity of the trees you know rather than having just one well from what i see i only see one tree species called out um to think of um you know other other other options too as well um but yeah that uh that um the city tree um tree list is a good place to start as is uh the immediate neighborhood too on both sides right exactly and then just to mention that um on the east side we are losing five big old native oaks and so i was really i was really motivated to kind of attempt to replace that that habitat and um the the rallyoaks i think there's a close live welcome there too but just to try to start to replace that because that's the underlying native habitat so yeah well thank you and thank you for that space is limited and so uh yeah i thought i would focus on that yeah yeah and you know as the the other the the landscape architect on the the board um i seeing that in the first iterations in the first proposal i remember those those trees that were being removed and it's a better pill to swallow but with development sometimes that's what has to happen and so thank you for incorporating that um into your um uh design now so thank you sure yeah and that should do it for me chair thank you thanks i don't appreciate that um so and and i'm glad we were able to get the uh landscape architect involved in a couple of comments there so that's great kind of a message of uh room seven there if anybody remembers we had kind of a back and forth uh over a conference table before we moved to the to the council chambers and now virtually so it was it was always it was a design charrette at that time right it was yeah yeah room seven was always a good time i thought uh it it was a little bit more personal but it this is a great format too all right uh comments i'm going to go to board members that i mainly want to echo the enthusiasm for this project that's been expressed by a lot of folks online and then members of the public um i too can't wait to to walk across this bridge um we need more elegant transitions between the east and west side and santa rosa most middle week downtown i wish it was easier downtown to make the transition um and perhaps this this and ultimately her really good examples um i love the simplicity um to to board to board members Sharon's point about the light color on the pylon i completely agree let's keep it light and simple um also to board members Sharon's point about the landing areas um they i like the idea of making them genuine genuinely outdoor rooms um i'm not sure how to do that but i agree that the the the current versions seem perhaps perhaps too simplistic um what would make people you know what would draw people to those areas or make them sit down or slow down if they're on bikes to sit there um art's probably an integral piece of that um and i do like the idea of finding a way to integrate art in those landing areas as opposed to just just in the in the planted areas which are probably likely to get lost in the shadows and under the bridge hopefully not um but again focusing on those landing areas um this is my first time seeing this project so it was interesting for me to see that to see the notes and hear about the how this project has evolved i do like the transitions on the on the fencing and how the and how the planted areas were handled particularly with the addition of the rocks as a way of making sure that those planted areas um um stay stay pleasant um and are less conducive to to encampments confirming my notes here and i think that's i think those are are my main thoughts again just just um appreciation for how this design has evolved and and i'm very much looking forward to seeing it built so thank you thank you very much thanks mark uh board member mickey well thank you thank you i'm very excited about the project as well and very excited i would i can't wait to see it built i uh love the design i like the bright colors i mean if i had to make the choice i like i like the teal color for the for the i guess the pile on it that's a correct term for that very much uh like the redesign of the east side of the of the of the bridge one thing though i'm a little bit concerned about and we've talked a little bit about encampments but the way those cement uh benches are uh would some way in some ways i think some of our some of our homeless citizens will probably take take advantage of the fact that they are there and i'd like my the somebody to think about ways to maybe break those up a little bit so that that doesn't occur um so that would be my only my only basic criticism uh i support uh the comments by both the applicant and uh member sharron in terms of the of the plantings and the trees and that sort of thing and so i'm just very excited about the project and very much want the project to move forward and be to be built as soon as it possibly can i want to walk across it as well so thank you those are my comments thanks john and actually i'm gonna maybe turn this into a question of the applicant um in terms of your concerns on the benches i mean obviously we're not seeing also like skateboard deterrence and things like that at this stage um so maybe uh steven could you address maybe your general thoughts about how you guys uh you know typically in a situation like this would deal with you know you know the you know uh john's and i think mark's concerns about encampment utilizing the benches as sleeping areas those types of things also skateboarding you know deterrence and whatnot because this is a pretty inviting skateboard rail to some people so so we're trying to address the skateboard uh deterrence question with the reveals that you may not be able to make out in this rendering so every seven feet at the same rhythm as the guard stanchions uh you see a a reveal in the concrete i understand that that is not sufficient to deter this as a as a little bed uh use as a as a bed uh so we're going to take that board members mckews thoughts about that um and think about it more yeah could you could you bring up page 28 in your presentation i think uh this might at least in terms of the uh skateboarding deterrent component that i brought up which is similar to what john brought up that uh i'm seeing it now in terms of the reveal but i thought maybe the rest of the board might want to take a peek at that if you could bring up page 28 of your presentation this is slide 28 i'm not sure um which one yeah the numbered slide 28 of 47 yeah i think this in the lower right this says 28 so if i've got the wrong one tell me where to go i'm actually not seeing anything up right now oh well gosh that would do it that's it perfect so yeah so um this is what what steven was talking about all that that rhythm of the the brakes and the concrete that's what would prevent skateboard rail grinding if you will and that that rhythm is repeated elsewhere i think as i was really looking at it it's a little harder to see on uh some of these uh on my ipad but it's uh yeah you can see it there now everybody's clear on that excellent thanks even so with that john anything else no no thank you okay awesome uh so i'm gonna go to vice chair birch for his comments on the project great thank you you know reiterate what several uh board members have already shared which is that the community comments questions enthusiasm um are just everybody this is a project that it feels like the community is focusing on together the community who's come out to talk about it um there's there's openness and there's interest from lots of different parties and i think that that really bodes well for the project that this is not a controversial project that this is not that this is something that there's such an appetite for um i know i will be commuting from the west or the east side of town where i live in the jc neighborhood to my office on the west side of town using this bridge i have i have not become a bicycle commuter to work primarily because of my fear of college and steel lane and being able to alleviate that piece and make it through what hopefully becomes the jennings um smart crossing um if we ever get to the jennings smart crossing which is just critical to the west side of town and circulation there i would be at my office with very little contract contact with traffic on high high volume roads so anyway i'm just enthusiastic as everyone else that this is going to get done and i appreciate all the work that's gone into it since 2007 that's an incredible length of time and for those members of the public who are on the call still who are part of that group um all i can say is thank thank you for me and thank you from the entire community because your persistence is going to create one of the most important um forward-looking statements that santa rosa could could even begin to think about so what i really love about where the this is gone and the selection of this of this piece um of this type of a structure um and the and and the and the very simple contemporary character of this structure the lightness of this structure not a billboard not a promotional ad for santa rosa we don't need any more peanuts characters we don't need any more great vines this is a proud civic structure it is life and elegant and it will it is it is the artwork it is the piece that will define traveling through santa rosa and um if if postcards were still postcards it would be on the postcard hopefully it'll be all over the web which is a whole other universe now but this is the symbol of a new era of transportation i think that the difference in the appearance and i'm going to go back to uh comments from uh regarding the hernova crossing the hernova crossing is bulky concrete girder construction it's still it's still it by necessity it is still about car traffic i i realize that the pedestrian and bike piece has been worked into it but you look at that and it is a grumpy low-shouldered old bridge for cars and this is in its likeness in its simplicity in its transparency seen bikes seen pedestrians and understanding that this is a thread i love this term about a thread between the east and the west um i think people will understand that this is new this is exciting and this is about moving into an era of a completely different way of moving people around and it is going to be very exciting to see it just just because of its form i think the form speaks to the function and i think that it will be it will educate people about what traveling without without vehicles without motor vehicles is all about so i'm really happy we've made it to this point i think that adam's comments on on landscape as i am always appreciative of his eye for detail and his technical knowledge there are great i do like the idea of artworks at the terminus at each at each end contemporary bold exciting real artworks not not chamber of commerce art please it would be much much better as something that really was in keeping with the message about transportation with the form of the bridge with the contemporary character of the bridge if it went that direction and i know there's complexity to that i really do understand it but i'm going to share it as well so as far as the color of the pylon goes um i really lean toward white this probably speaks directly to the problem that drew was having trying to find a color to match brush aluminum because the minute that you're not using a brushed metal you you have gray and you have different grumpier forms of gray um you can you can work on adding a metallic having a metallic paint that brings some creates a surface texture a surface profile if you will um that can help in that so my my comment is i'm very much a fan of white i think that white is going to white's not going to fade white is not going to um if you get into light grays if you start to get into warmer uh whites you can you can be you can be yellow very quickly you can be sort of a vanilla color very quickly you can be battleship gray sort of accidentally um or you can just just be too cool and i do think this needs to stand out and really uh the comment that i think mark made or i think about this reaching to the clouds and being part of the cloud and and sort of having the sky capture the white and and reflect it back is great if there's any i don't know the paint system you would be using and i know this is quite uh a unique comment but if there was some way to get into some iridescence or a white that had um a fine metallic character to it not a not a big flake metallic like a show car but if there was some way to get into a material that had some iridescence or some depth of finish just a bit in in the painted finish that would be especially wonderful but but i would definitely definitely say that your slide e or your option e of white would be would be my preference overall and i think the lighting would really just the the lighting in the evening would really really stand out with a white uh with a white pilot so yep and those are my um go get it done yeah let's get those yeah i was i was actually going to ask steven to go to these slides um i'm just going to tack on to your comment here uh i think i thought i heard steven say uh kinemic to me nick um i think they have a flornar flornar metallic which is a fluoropolymer uh uh coating i'm assuming you guys are going to go with a high-narc high-narc fluoropolymer coating they're super durable if they get damaged they can be repaired could you maybe speak to that steven yes that's exactly correct and in fact there are metallic options um i used a metallic kinemic on a project 20 years ago and it it still looks like it did when it was first painted so it holds up quite well if you choose the right color i around that same time frame i used a a warm reddish color on another project and it's faded terribly with the same paint system um so um the very perspicacious and knowledgeable comments are really appreciated here thank you all of you thank you um so yeah so i i have a just a couple of comments um i pretty much agree with everybody else anything that we've heard um i would definitely agree with michael on kind of a a added metallic to the white i'm a fan of this white as well i think when we originally saw it and it was white i i think my initial reaction was yep that that right there uh that that's the ticket and so uh it's well it's nice to see all the iteration and what could be i think i'm still really drawn to this uh option e the most i think it's got them it's got the most flexibility for future construction for what may be built around it it's not trying to to weave into anything else because this is its own thing it's its own piece of public art and i think we've mentioned this before um when we've reviewed this project um i was actually i went back and i was reading the the meeting minutes from the november meeting of last year and it was kind of funny i i knew exactly which ones were warren's because they were talking about this element as as its own really unique special piece of art and um i think that's that's the exceptionally interesting draw of something like this um you know when when people mention you know minneapolis for instance uh you immediately think of there's an art museum designed by santo gokala trauma it's white it moves it's light and airy right it's one of those architectural pieces that um it helps provide identity to a place um and i think you know this is it's it's not an art museum by any stretch of the imagination but it is a very unique and special piece of art and architecture together um that is going to be unique to our city and uh i think like michael said if postcards were a thing right this would be the postcard um so maybe this is going to be the instagram thing or or the twitter whatever whatever the new thing is in 10 years right um and so yeah i think and i really like the idea of the white against the backdrop of the outriggers as well i think that provides a nice juxtaposition between the different material that's happening with the cables and everything coming down i think i think it wouldn't be as effective as if the uh the outriggers were a gray to match the concrete um so i think that balance of white against concrete against sky against stainless steel it's not going to work really really well together and i think adding that metallic component i think does add the stainless steel back into the painted components as well and um you know but i think it's just never so slight it's not not a overwhelming metallic i think it's just something that's integrated in a thoughtful way um i think we you know i think the city needs to pursue the art components more uh in terms of how they're integrated into the landings i'm still a very i'm still very firmly i'm still a firm believer that we should not put art on the bridge itself in terms of uh i guess like in pathways vertical pieces of art i guess is what i should say i did really love the idea from the members of the public about potentially painting uh you know the the bypass and stuff i mean that that's a really interesting idea um and that's something that maybe could you know the art and public places committee could look at uh i don't know design competition for elementary age kids to participate in or something like that i mean i think it's really interesting and unique way to engage the the pedestrian bike travel areas with public art that could change over time i mean i think in in a way what has happened downtown on fourth street during the pandemic in terms of all the interesting artwork that occurred on fourth street downtown um you know something like that could translate to the bridge in many ways uh and it could be tied to our public schools the jc um things that are unique to fenoma county agriculture obstacles of course peanuts if we wanted to integrate that as well um but all the great things that are happening here uh you know that make this such a great place to live that could be something that could be incorporated into the walking pathway to make it less uh just a walking pathway or less a bike path because i think this is going to see a lot of use um over time especially with the jc being right there this new housing project that's probably 50 done right now um i mean all these all the folks that attend the jc that live here they're going to walk across and go to target and cutting down and they're going to shop and then they're going to come back i mean this is very much going to be used uh a bit you know over its life so i appreciate that um i guess the my my only kind of criticism would be uh the i guess the west landing the dick landing i was never really in love with it uh the last time we saw this and and i like it a little bit more now with the sculpted bench and the acid etched concrete i just feel like the the rectilinear nature of that landing is is not as interesting as uh what's being proposed on the east side and i know there are some constraints with kind of property lines and other things um and kind of you know coming down off the bridge from a bike speed perspective but um you know i i don't know the answer here um but this just you know the the east side is so much more playful and integrated in the pathways and the landscape and i know we're a little constrained here but i'm i'm just curious what sort of uh you know maybe there's just an additional curve or flare or something that kind of helps it be a little less where because the other side is is so sculptural and and it does very much relate to the sculptural nature and quality of the the bridge pile on and things like that so that would be my only kind of negative criticism um but again if we're constrained and this kind of is what it is but i you know sometimes you have to make a consideration uh when when you're stuck because of lot lines or whatever else and i understand that that'd be my only kind of let's let's eke out the last little bit of design language on this landing so with that i think i don't have any other comments i appreciate the the change in the guard rails um and and bringing it down and being less abrupt uh and kind of the more just more detail and information about uh everything can you hear me yeah you're about to die apologies um so with that uh oh they're still talking hang on sorry about that um yeah so that would be my last comment i just i really i think this is a really great project now let's find the money and build it does anybody have any additional comments i'll make one clarification to the paint paint comment metallic is and i'm sure that um i'm sure that steven understands uh metallic it can be thought of as being bold and flaky i'm i'm thinking of a very fine metallic that creates a little depth to the surface and a little bit of um shimmer more than uh more than a sparkle so and i think i conveyed that and i'm sure that that's that's a direction that if it's possible um that could go so totally understand thank you drew i i wanted to clarify one thing um just go ahead my my my um my comment about um any you know interpretive opportunities along the bridge itself and i just mentioned panels it was uh i just wanted to be certain that everyone understood i was thinking very anything very small you know hand size something like that not panels on the bit on the the bridge itself um and take that or leave it but just interpretive opportunities as well for that pedestrian scale not for people off the bridge um driving by say yeah i would agree i think uh a vehicular scale versus pedestrian scale is a really critical element of this project and i think the design team has done an exceptional job of really um respecting pedestrian scale in a in a very impactful way while also making an impactful piece of architecture um and i think that's that's one of the things that i really like about this project is that it's it is balancing those two things really well um and and i think from a safety perspective i'm particularly concerned about putting anything on the bridge that's have to read or look at um just because i think like i said when i was going back and looking at the previous comments a lot of the comments really appreciated the the transparency of the the mesh and everything else and that you you know i think the mesh will somewhat disappear and you'll really just see the pile on and i think that um that's less distractive to someone less distracting to someone who's driving as opposed to like you've got to read something about the history of santa rosa you have to read something about whatever um or you know have your kids in the back feet start screaming at you and they're like well what's this and you have to find a way to answer them um while also driving on 101 which i think you know presents presents itself with some some problems so i think the scale is particularly important both in any art that goes on on on any of the wire master anything like that so thanks adam anybody else okay so with that um typically we wrap up with the applicant team if they've got any questions of us if anything that we've made comments on are infeasible or uh totally harebrained um so with that we'll just go back to the applicant team uh steven and chris uh any of our comments are they uh infeasible to do or or really not appropriate uh where you are in the in your current age of the doctor chris you want to speak to that first i'll just i'll just say we are very very far along and we are on a very tight schedule in order to meet funding deadlines so there isn't a lot of wiggle room but your comments i felt were understanding that and a lot of a lot of the comments can be thought of still thought about like with paint color or a little tweaks to the seat walls things like that as far as the art element that really needs to be handled as a separate process on a separate schedule but we will look a little harder at where there may be an opportunity on the east side to allocate space i don't think the west side is so heavily constrained by property lines and safety considerations and ad a ramp and and so forth that that we don't have a lot of wiggle room there um there's one other thing i would just touch on um on the east side a lot of the design of the bridge was driven by in fact saving some of the major oaks that are there so i didn't want to give the wrong impression that we're wiping out all those oaks in fact we we've put a lot of work into saving uh we are losing losing a couple but um we're saving the the major ones um okay i think i think that's it chris anything else from you good no i don't have any all right so with that um no further comments from the board and uh doesn't look at any more raised hands we will close item 8.1 thank you all thank you apricotine thank you appreciate it and with that we will move on to item nine which is adjournment so uh with that uh mark thanks for joining us in your last design of the board meeting and uh we look forward to seeing you uh on to the council so uh with that it is 703 and we stand adjourned have a great weekend everybody thanks thanks everyone thanks all bye