 Welcome back. It's still the breakfast and it's time for off the price and my guests Chief Jida Johnson, Chief Lecturer and Andruan Institute of Journalism is here with me to take a look at those headlines on the front pages of some national dailies. Good morning to you Chief Jida Johnson. Good morning and it's a pleasure to be with you and have you as a Lovato. Thank you for having me. Glad to have you too. So let's just go right into it with the punch newspaper and the punch is leading with subsidy removal. Governors plan cash transfers to poor households, dump Buhari's list. The rider there states to compile new social registers, governors to spend FAAC allocations on scheme, Tinubu approves infrastructure fund, NEC adopts gas powered vehicles for states. So the governors are saying that Buhari's social register lacks credibility. Why did it take them so long to open up? Talk to us about your take on this very first headline on the punch. An era of people playing the ostrich. An era of people just go to whoever is in leadership position, tell whoever is in leadership position that whatever he or she does is the right thing and as soon as that person back it leadership position, they all turn back away from him. The reality of what life is all about, what leadership is all about is done in Ngunbuari now, in Daurau wherever he is. While he was the president, he was the toast of everybody. Ngunbu is the toast of all the governors tomorrow. If he's no longer the president, that's what they are going to see about him. Well, when federal government has a plan to spend money, you're pretty feedrass system of government. The state as well should also join in this in these regards to to spend this money in ensuring that the priorities are provided but knowing our history and knowing where we are coming from you recall what happened with palliative during the COVID lockdown. As a result of that, a lot of people have some misgivings and skepticism with respect to the sincerity of government at all levels. Now, when federal government is relating with the state government with respect to compilation of this list, and then the federal government should have related with the local government, which is the grassroot government, which is government that is closer to the people and in such a way gets the true nature and the true beneficiaries of this palliative that is coming from government and not state government that we use as one of their political tool to gain political traction when election is coming. I think that it should be directed and evolved to the local governments and is unfortunate. But that's the reality. We travel through the length and breadth of Nigeria. You understand that those that are in government are far away from from from reality. I had to travel to Indububai Road because my flight was cancelled on Tuesday. And I can tell you for a fact what I witness. I don't think that we have government in this in this country. Even the governors are far away from reality. The president is far away from reality because I never I can't record the last time we travel to the length and breadth of Nigeria using the roads and water view or using the roads. Even during the course of the campaign, they were flying and using to pass the center. So you don't know the people you are governing. How would you get? How would you give them the variables of democracy? So when they are planning this list, how did they come about this list? You can only get through a group list from the local government. These are the people. These are the government that are closer and direct to the people. There is also this angle to this, even though we are saying, okay, so finally you're opening up and opening up on the fact that this social list that the former administration had is not credible. You're just opening up on that. Okay, so let the states come up with their own social register. But then there is also the fear that just as you said, they may just use it to score political points. Also, there's also the fear that they may also siphon the money. I said this money should go directly to the local government, which is the government that is closer to the people. That's the reality. The unfortunate thing is that we don't even have the local government structure in Nigeria, because most of these local government are just extension of the governor's office, because we have so administrator in some of these things appointed by the governor approved by the by the state as an assembly. All of these are antithetical. If you really have to see the military government, because they lack the legitimacy, and this they have respect for some certain structure. You see the local government as a functional component part of what the military structure, because by the hierarchical structure, whatever structure they put in place, even when they are in power at the state level and the local government level, the functionality of the local government under military seems to be much, much better. When you do in public administration, the only big size of public administration is to do a comparative analysis. When you do the comparative analysis of local government under military administration, and you do it with the local government under a democratic administration, you discover that they are not at par. In actuality, the local government are more functional. They have access to their funds. They have access to do whatever basic responsibility they are required to do under military regime compared to what we have now under civilian administration, which I don't want to call democratic because there's no democracy at the local government in any case. So, only just opposed the two, you understand that in reality, if you are not careful, this list will just be some of the list, just like the polity, just like every program of government, world, paper. So I guess what we should really seek to get from this is a very transparent way of dispersing this funds because the local government... Why do you have to... Why do you have... Why do you have to disperse? In the first instance, it is require the local government to have this list because it's part of the budget of the local... Social welfare is part of the part of the budget of the local government. It's where they draw resources to play traditional roles. I think it's about 10 to 15 percent. I don't know now. While I used to work in the local government, it used to be 10 to 15 percent of the budget goes to social welfare dealing with traditional roles and the vulnerable segment of the population. So, if you are looking for countries that have laws, laws to take care of everything. It's Nigeria. But implementation. And the different application and implementation of this laws. The local government are empowered to do this together. This is the governor that is in state secretariat that has... Or the state government that has surrounded himself with his security aids that even people that put them from cannot have access to him. For example, from Lagos state, cannot have access. Can I just work up to Sao Hulu? Can I just work up to his office? I can work up to the office of my local government chairman. I know where he's... Where he lives. I know where his office is. If he's coming down, he has no choice but to talk to me. But I can't do that if I try to do that with my governor. His aids. We stop him from doing that. And if I make any attempt, the DSS or the security aid, they are going to arrest me. They are going to public users and throw me. So, in actual sense, the governor themselves and those and the press are far away from reality. That's why we say, local government is grassroot government. You elected people from amongst yourself that lives within your community, that knows the community, inside out. And that's why some have clamored for us, for some have clamored that there is a need for us to have a unified local government structure across the length and breadth of this country. But unfortunately, it is those that came to be progressive that did not sign that amendment under the previous administration. Those that fought over Sanjo, over the local government fund, been with third world, those that did not even sign to legal state, open state, equity state. It's state from Southwest. It's so unfortunate. But we are now in power. We will do the right thing because our look on, our love and blessing, we are the one there now. All right. Let's look to the head of the bunch newspaper and just quickly go through the three headlines there. You have APC crisis, national working committee, members opposed, Ghandu J. Not central for chair. You have military destroys, 23 illegal refineries, arrest 60 all thieves, NMPCL UTM to build Nigeria's first floating gas plant. So let's quickly touch on this APC crisis. Ghandu J is out and he's not, Ghandu J is not popular, obviously. That's just what it is. Ghandu J is not a popular candidate. Talk to us on that. Well, we don't even know the actual truth about the crisis in APC. It took them almost three years for them to elect international executive council of the party where they have a contraption of illegality where the governor do you best it then was acting as the chairman of the categorical committee for almost two and a half years. Now you elected them. Adam Abdullah last year and you know me sure and before when you face it at Robinson, all of a sudden we let daddy resign. I'm not sure. I don't know whether you have seen their resignation letter. I'm not seeing their resignation letter. Nobody has seen that resignation letter. Somebody just called the meeting and said that the national secretary and the national channel in office would have resigned from the office. One of the things I don't know if it seems to be managing this, they seem to be managing their own internal crisis better than another political party because all of this self-infliction could have self-inflicted wound and self-inflicted inclusion could have led to the collapse of the party. We wait and see but as far as the arrangement, the zoning arrangement and how this not central was to change, I'm not to show that the not central does not have any of the principal officers of national assembly because it was clear that they have. They have the national chairman yet it's not always got despite having the national secretary, despite having the presidency. Now in not always they put the senate president as a speaker and then you want to take the national chairman to seem not to speak. It would be a non-popular choice even if the character is popular. It would be a non-popular choice because there would be an attempt by the people of the not central to resist any attempt to take away from them what has been allocated to their zone. So in terms of the zoning arrangement, it didn't make any sense for ABC to be thinking of Danduji. And it seems to be that the people that would be the national chairman of ABC must usually be former governor. Just check the history. We see a condit to Yipun or the Yipun to Adram Sushyamole, Adram Sushyamole to Malabuni to Adram. So with whether it to be another former governor or a sitting governor who helped in acting capacity to see what would come out of it. But in any case, they must put their house in order and that's why we don't have a cabinet please All right, let's look at this lesser headline down there. Since you're from Lagos state, you give us details of these ignore statements announcing or rewrites Lagos tells residents. What's that about? Now the state government income will release during the election when people are coming up in a democratic administration and then in a circular state where you have the right to freedom of practice. Whether you're a traditionalist or you are a Christian or a Muslim, my own worship, you don't disturb your own worship. But because of the election you saw chiefs and barlers declaring that adoro, restricting the movement of people become not did not come out because it would be it was to be beneficiary code of that of that. Now that government elections have gone, governors is starting and then you don't collect money from people based on their disciplines on their labor. You collect taxes, levies and revenues from everybody. So when it comes to that, you are not talking about it. The others came to the gallery, tells you about the hypocrisy of governance, the lack of sincerity on the part of those who have given responsibility to manage their fears of our country. Why should you, why should you always disturb me? Shouldn't disturb me? It's your worship. I believe in traditional, I believe in traditional institutions. There's not that about that. Even though I'm a Christian, I keep telling people why do you have to go to mountain in Arabia or go to mountain in Jerusalem? When there are mountains, when there are mountains in the KMSC, when there are mountains in UD, when there are mountains all over Nigeria. So if there are gods in the mountain Arabia, there are gods in the mountain in Africa and in Nigeria. In any case, you have better mountains than they do. But that should not disturb anybody. Everybody should go about, you want to do your own, you do your own. And if I want to go about my business, as long as I don't disturb you, you don't have to disturb me. So this should be the real action of government and it shouldn't be limited to some specific time before you come up with it. Okay, before we leave the punch, let's, what was this NNPC UTM building of Nigeria's first floating gas plant about? What do we know about that? You see, government, you see, we see a lot of policies statements to serve as the structure. In one of the sites to read that we didn't do focus on, on the budget, said the military, I think, destroys some refinery. Yeah, 60 illegal refineries, 23. We don't need to tell us about what they are going to do. They should do the needful. We saw what Aramco is doing. You see, what Aramco is doing in Saudi Arabia. You know what Petronas is doing, Petronas is doing in Brazil. I can't recall the name of this Venezuelan oil company. We saw what they are doing and then they don't come out and make serious bonus. Okay, you will recall the privatization, what has come out of the privatization of NNPC. We just saw the fanfare, the Rasmaga task at the end of it. We don't even know the difficulties, but what is going on in NNPC. Take like the ones that the refineries that were destroyed. What you need to do is that when people are committing illegal actions, you convert those assets. You convert those assets to state assets. Why do you have to destroy those refineries? You don't need to destroy it. You are, you acquire it for the state and the state begins to operate that, you begin to operate that or when you see, when you see buildings from, from people that have criminal records, people that have stolen money. What you need to do is to convert those assets, to government assets, rather than sell those properties to themselves. When they destroy it, they will just tell us value, they destroy 50. You actually know, based on the reports we have gotten about destruction of illegal refineries. By now in the last 10 years, you do not have any, you do not have any game, but they will tell us on paper that they destroy 50. Are we sure that actually they destroy 50 or they destroy some of it and they see a lot of these people to operate. So these are the telling. When people commit infractions, when they break the law and you convert the asset to state asset, not destroying it, then, you know, the state is getting from it. Oh, well, let's move from the punch to the Guardian newspaper, which leads with Hajj 2023. Tears, complaints, trail, Najirah's 304 billion-dollar capital flight to Mecca. This is actually the big story of the Guardian newspaper. The full story is on pages four and five. Well, what's your take on this? As the secular state, we have argued that there is no need coming from the Euro story to Pliquimicina. You see, it still has no business sponsoring or getting involved with people going for Pliquimicina, either to Mecca or to Jerusalem. But, you know, because of the nature and the reason why we are this was that during the military era, in order to score legitimacy, in order to score legitimacy, the military looked up because they destroyed the political system as one of the institution of the society. So they look up to religious leaders. And as a result of that, we have dipped our hand into the Pukijah that has become sticky, that we can't bring our hand out of it. And it's very clear, there is a need for federal, state, and local government to hands up. You see, when you want to religion, it's your personal, it's your personal belief, it's your personal faith. So there is no need for state to get involved when you want to. Even if you read the five pillars of Islam, it was not said that the government should sponsor you. It was not said that somebody people can sponsor you, but not government. But it was your own personal responsibility to go look at the amount of money. And people don't know that as far as some of your review is concerned, this is a tourist attraction for them. And they make, they make money. Yeah. So we've been in democracy since, we've had democracy since 1999. And people like you have repeatedly said that government should stop sponsoring people on pilgrimages. They've not listened. Why do you think that even our democratically elected leaders still seek legitimacy through these spendings? Well, that's where we need to bring in our religious leaders. And you have the leader of Islamic faith, the leader, the chairman of the Supreme Council of Islam in Nigeria. You have the president of Canada. These are major stakeholders. They should come together and say, do you know what government stop funding this thing? Let people take a decision going about this. And I'm sure surely have, because there's a need for government to answer. If you want to go, go. If you don't want to go, don't go. It's your personal belief. It's your personal faith. It's your, it's your personal decision. There's no need for government. No, those two cards, the foreign exchange that is tied to this, the foreign exchange that is tied to to this, in terms of the demand for foreign exchange for this activity, for the Jerusalem and Jamaica. What would we use those foreign exchange to do in terms of business enterprise? Whether I would like it or not, we are just contributing to Saudi economy. We contribute to Saudi, contribute to Saudi economy because it's a tourist attraction from religious point of view. That's my deal. And then what would you say to those who would say, see, Mr. Ajida Johnson, just let us enjoy this because of all the monies in this country. This is the little that we're enjoying from this government. Let us continue to enjoy this. No, I mean, those who have been enjoying it, those who have been enjoying it. You might not be able to show that some are good. Some have gone 10, 12, 13 times. Some are constant as the not on star in this list. And then it's just once in a lifetime that the requirement that once in your lifetime ensure that we seek makeup and some are ready to be recurrent in the future. By next year, are you seeing that some organization, one of the major allocations, let me put it this, the X2I EFCC chairman was the one that is sponsored people to, to, to make up. And they stayed in very expensive hotels and and water. And we have seen either the president, former or president, Senate president and the speaker have gone on pilgrimage with state resources. When they go, they go with the state resources. The state will pay for it. We don't need a lot of that. We need, they are asking us to make sacrifices. This is the time for them also to make, to make, to make sacrifices so that we can recover and revamp his economy. That is a need all the time. Okay. So NNPC is still on this headline here on the garden. NNPCL in major, major and mid-race for profitability. Anytime. Anything about NNPC gives me add bonds. You know, add bonds, why? Because NNPC, central bank, and some NNPE and some other agencies like that, we don't actually get a true account of what these are revenue generating agencies for, for the government. One, we don't usually have assets. Even the national assembly does not know what they generate. Those that have oversight function. Even with the public, we don't even know how they generate. Even the executive, this is for pricing ministries, don't even know how these agencies operate in the first, in the first instance. So these are, these are, these are state agencies that are agencies of, agencies of the state that are bigger than other institutions of, of the state. So, these are, these are state agencies that are whatever they say, I just take it with a pinch of salt because if you look at other models, you look at the Saudi model of Aramco, which is their own national, we look at the Brazilian model of Petruna's, and then you look at even Venezuela that more or less, like from American perspective, does not have a democratically elected government, a government that is autocratic and authoritarian. Here they have a model of their own oil and gas industry that is controlled, that is profitable. It's only in Nigeria, or you look at that of, that of Angola. If you compare all of this model and you take it to NNPC, it's like you are comparing it, you are comparing an adult with, with, with the toddler in, in terms of the management, in terms of the structure of NNPC. Let's find the longest we are in oil exploration in Nigeria. They are still totally compared to all other countries that are cutting to a lot of food. Why should we be talking about Marjana or the gas or what have you? I recall doing 2004-2005. It was this West African gas pipeline, pipeline project that was, that was initiated, that idea will supply all the West African country with, with, with gas. Natural gas that we have born in the classroom and rest. What, what comes out of that? What comes out of those projects? We just come, the big policy statement to distract us from the reality of, of the challenges we are facing. And then, before you know it, another issue will come up. So I don't, I don't bring no, you know, the, the, the cup, that's a coalition of political parties are calling for the SAC and investigation of Melechiare. And you know, seeking for a breath of fresh air in that sector, basically. Now, if you could take out the CBN, the CBN governor of the last administration, and then you have, some city was, was, was projected to end by June 30th this year on May 29th, shortly after the president inaugurated speech, the prices shut up. The following, the Melechiare came up and said, well, there's no budget, there's no fund. Where was the budget initially meant for subsidy to end, to provide a request? So there's a lot of questions, a lot of things to, if you look at the issues that have been fired in the first instance, if you, if you have been asked to, to take it, because look, did we get the actual money? Countries were making money because of the crisis between Ukraine and Russia. Yet in this period, remember the Gulf, the Gulf oil, the Gulf oil in 1991, there was a windfall. What's the windfall coming out of this? Other countries are making money, what are we making? Rather, we are borrowing money too. And it's under the, under the leadership of Melechiare. It will come to the media, we'll give them platform, and we'll bamboozle us with, with statistics, with figures, with rhetorics, and then we'll go able to clap their hands. It's doing a good job. But the reality on ground is that, is that all in that sector, what it should be. I'm not sure about everybody clapping their hands when he talks. I mean, I can tell you for free that sometimes when you hear these people talk, you begin to, it's as if the more they talk, the more confused you are about some of the things they're saying that's not giving accurate answers to the questions being asked themselves. They are the beauty of rhetorics. And you know, Felani Ghulapo said something, when you just said, if you hear these people talk, if you hear these people talk, whether you like, you could judge, if you don't like, you could judge. So if you hear them talk, you wonder, that's like when you hear the former minister of walks, when he talks, all you need to do is to take a trip. In the course of this, I've had costs to go to Wenukun by road. I've had costs to go to Abuja and Katna by road. I've had costs to travel some parts of Nigeria through roads. And I wonder, in a natural sense, did we even have government at all, at the federal level or the state level? Did we even have minister of walks at all? And you know, you will wonder, I call people back to where you, when he was in opposition as the governor of Lagos State. In fact, as far as I'm concerned, he's the most back to where your minister of walks we have ever had. Now, this is sad to hear this about former governor Raji Fasula, because I mean, you know, when he was governor of Lagos State, my body is still aching for traveling from Lagos to Wenukun by road. I'm telling you, since Tuesday, it's still aching. It's unbelievable. There's a particular spot in Benin. There's a bridge. Before you get to Benin, there's a particular spot. It's a dead trap. You can never imagine. It's a dead, there's a big hole on the bridge across that major river before you get to Benin. A big hole that a car, a salon can enter it. A salon can, I'm telling you. A salon car, we plunge into it. If it's not careful, it is driving in the night. Wow. All right. Going down the Mastery, we have PEPC, Justice Ugo's Proposed Resignation, Fake News, says Court of Appeal. But to whatever, to every room, there is a shintilla of tooth in it. And one of the things we do in leadership training is that as a leader, do not discontent as any rumor that comes from the organization. Investigate it and look out for the shintilla of tooth in it. And then if you understand our industry, we say, and rumor has said, journalism is the industrialization of gossip. So now, this is something that everybody should be interested in it. Is it not just somebody just coming up and saying it's fake news? No, no, no. For that to come out into the public domain, there must have been whispers. And the whispers must have turned to rumor. And those rumors must have turned to gossip. And those gossip is what we are having in the media because the media is just full of gossip. What people overheard, what they saw, what they overheard in high places. And then it is projected in the media. So as far as I'm concerned, if you don't take this with a pinch of salt, we should look into this matter and investigate this matter. If there is any shintilla of tooth in it, there is a need for us to address this particular issue. And I think that one thing that I should be before the 10th assembly is for us to review or enable in law. There are many issues that I told my students on Monday while I was teaching them positive communication that after all the parties have written their written, they've replied their written addresses. I'm going to do my own view concerning constitutional matters, concerning the 2023 election, the Abuja question, and then the timeline for us to pass judgment. You see, it's very important and it's very clear that we must, every matter relating to election must be resolved. We must pass that law, must be resolved before you swain anybody into power. It becomes pretty difficult to litigate against a sitting court or against a sitting president. There's too much power in that office that can be used quote unquote against, because every under institution, the institutions that will litigate are quote unquote under that particular office. The office of the president has grown in lift and bounds beyond what the framers of separation of powers ever thought of. Now there is a particular story, I just want to link it with, where there is rank up with the national assembly over committee, committee members, the presidency, the executive trying to have control over who becomes the committee of this, the committee of that. If you think that's a rumor, then you don't understand what is going on within the political landscape. That, if you think that's a rumor, you don't understand what is going on with the political landscape, because by now you should have thought that the list of the committee chairman and the rest of it will have been released, but I can tell you for a fact from what we have gotten from Gravevine, it is no longer business as usual, it is no longer business as usual with respect to the list of the committees, and that's why you're not getting the committee. In the first instance, the principal officers of the national assembly who are more or less influenced by the executive. The national chairman came out is one of the reasons that people are saying that he's responsible for his sudden resignation. If the principal officers, you're not talking about committee chairman, if the executive wanted to have control over the leadership of the legislature and the independent body, a co-equal body, how much more just committee, committee chairmans. Some of the things, as a journalist, you and I know that it's not everything we hear or everything we know that we report. Some of us have gotten in with respect to how the committee, what is delaying the naming of the committees of the various houses, the Senate and the House of Reps. So it is what it is, but hopefully we see if they go about the same route. I cannot show them, they will not achieve anything. In governance, a leader does not need anybody to tell him he's a leader, he's a leader. By all means and standard, a leader needs people to challenge his views, to give him contrary opinion, so that he can take informed decisions. Constructive criticism. A leader does not need people to think in the same direction. If you see what the story we started with, every governor was thinking the same way Bwari was thinking. He said it was good, the list was good when Bwari was president. The moment Bwari stepped out, the list was no longer good. Okay, let's quickly touch on the nature news, which is the last newspaper we have to look at. And it leads to soldiers arrest over 1,000 cattle for open grazing on Platte State farmlands. Well that's, not only the arrest, such cattle should be, once you confiscate that and then you give it to, it should be part of the palliatives. It should be part, it should be part of the palliatives. And then that will serve as a deterrent because, look, we are all into farming. You are in animal husbandry. I'm into cash crop. And then you are using your heads to destroy my cash crop. It's not fair, you are not being fair. So it's important for this particular issue to be addressed. Once this is done, I can tell you that those that are grazing will look for better pasture to graze their animal. And this has been a major reason for the crisis in Platte State, which has led to the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, if not thousands of people in that state. Yeah, this is a decisive action. And I commend the military for doing this, but you don't even need military to do this. This should be a normal function for the police to do, for the police to even do to execute. But when you have institutions that have compromised themselves with non-state actors, those are the challenges you have. And I think we should go about it. If you want to preserve the environment, you must preserve agriculture, you must preserve the farmland, you must preserve the forest. The forestry is to environmental degradation and the totality of what affects the environment affects the entire society. So this is a step in the direction we commend the military. But this action, when you confiscate it, there must be an accountability. Where is this 1000 cattle going to? Who did they belong to? Not teachers for us to sit on the pages of newspaper. You destroy 60, you destroy 60 refinery. The following year, you destroy another 60. How many refineries do we now have? Elegant refineries do we have? So if you confiscate 1000 cattle, there should be an accountability. We want to know what you have done with those 1000 cattle. Accountability. Not to confiscate, not that you arrest them and release them later. Accountability, accountability. We cannot ever emphasize the need for that. Indeed, in all spheres of our lives in this country. But moving forward, fuel subsidy relief, present to Nubu orders release of grains and fertilizers to 50 million beneficiaries. Page five is where the details of that is. The list. Where is the list? The list. Where is the list? The list. The list. Yeah, the 50 million Nigerians. Where are those on the list? You see, numbers is so important. I mean, Christian by faith. Numbers is so important that God gave a particular book, the book of numbers. Data is important to planning. Without data, you can't plan. And that's why we have numbers of days that makes weeks, number of seconds that make minutes, number of minutes that make hour, number of hours that make a day, number of days that makes weeks, number of weeks that makes month, number of months that make a year, number of years that make. So if you don't have accurate data, you can't plan very well. The bottom line is where is the list? The 50 million. How did they come about that list? Break this 50 million down, state by state, look at government by look at government. And make the information available to journalists and all who are interested. When it is time for election, it is easier to know the demography of Nigerians to break it down. When it comes to voting in election, the polling unit will get to your committee. The ballot paper will get to your committee. When it comes to deliverables of democracy, it won't get to you. If in actual sense you want to distribute this thing, we should go about, if the data is there, let's use the polling unit. The polling unit is one of the smallest political and political units from the unit to the world. So let's use that. That's data. We have that data. If they use that data, it will get to our school. Because you need the number of hours so to form a political unit. When it comes to election, the ballot paper will get to your committee. But when it comes to governors, the deliverables of governors will not get to you. Another issue raised by this also is the fact that more than half of our farmers no longer go to their farms. They can't go because security is challenging. They can't go to the farm. Do you want to go to the farm and not return back home? Do you want to go to the farm and pay ransom? These are issues. And I hope that we will clap for the change in leadership. Yeah, so this just grains and fertilizers. Of the security of the security architecture of the country where we see that what we did not witness soldiers arrested on thousand cows in play to steal. And then soldiers destroy 60 illegal refineries. We begin, we hope that this effort will be consolidated. Once you provide security for lives and property, then your economy can grow. Your economy can rebound. Yes, because if they cannot go back to their farms, this grains and fertilizers to 50 million farmers. If given to 50 million farmers indeed, where would they use them if they cannot even go to their farms? Now you are talking about the cutout of the population of Nigeria. 50 million, 50 million. And we have to learn, you see, every time it's just that the security issue. I record sharing with my colleagues in Kano that while we were young, Mr. Agiwa is a trader in one of our English group that used to travel through the length and breadth of Nigeria. Today is in Jaws, tomorrow is in Kano. Everyone of us, while we are going, we look forward to traveling through the length and breadth of Nigeria, going to the countryside, because Nigeria was peaceful. There, Nigeria is beautiful. But if you are forced to travel, if you are forced by the epileptic nature of the aviation sector in Nigeria, if you are forced by him, the epileptic nature, because the aviation sector in Nigeria is epileptic and you are the messy of these operators in the aviation sector, you are the messy. But when they cancel your flight, they don't give you anything in return. When you miss your flight, either by one hour, or you are bad missing your flight, they exploit you and extort you to the later. If you travel by road, you see the green miniature. In the land we have, is the land that the Israelis and the Palestinians are fighting over. Land that we have in our bond that's so agriculture for housing. Is the major issue between the Palestine and the Israelis. And yes, we have it in our bond that sometimes you don't know the value of what you have because you have them in our bond that's so sad. So sad. And that's the place to leave it right now, because time will not permit us to look at every other headline on the newspapers. But thank you so much, Chief Jede Johnson, for your time this morning on the breakfast. It's a pleasure to be with you. Have a wonderful weekend. Thank you very much. You too. Jede Johnson, Chief Lecturer of Nigerian Institute of Journalism, has joined us on the press this morning in Lagos. So stay with us as we continue with the breakfast.