 So first on the agenda is to approve the agenda. Is there anything that needs amending or change on the agenda? Do you want to approve the agenda as written? Second. All in favor? Aye. Move the public comment to? Absolutely. Okay. Just because that really bugs me. I just feel like if people made an appointment, they should keep them on time. And if they didn't, then they could vote about the week. Totally agree. I think that this is true. Sometimes we're like a half an hour, an hour late, and these four people that made an appointment because they're busy lives, and then... We have four minutes. Is there any comment? Okay. We'll take longer than four minutes. They're not good. Okay. Well, it's like... The very reason that you would like to thank this step forward when you dropped on Saturday, so many people were putting $20 bills, $10 bills. They were going by and saying, please, I'm so glad you let me just say a word for our thank you family. Little kids were just having a grand time putting coins in our bucket, and so we really meant and we got such good feedback from our coin drop. And so we did over $885.67 just for the coin drop, and then somebody then gave me a $25 check. So our total is $910.67. And then, you know, we talked about fundraising, various fundraisers, just even the coin drop, but we talked to you in the winter about a raffle. So we finally have been able to put it together. Our raffle, we've had good success from businesses in South Burlington, Bethel, and brand up that our giving us... We have about a dozen gift certificates. They're on board. These businesses are on board for our raffle. And so we're putting it together, and we'd like to start sending them our raffle tickets at the next Vignette Show concert. I keep for the update. I really have a coin drop. What? I need to have a coin drop. Well, it was surprising, even two people that went to the set for being discussing about the skateboard, they put the money in our coin drop. Oh, it's good. So it's a really nice thing. We have all that wonderful food. Still got one minute. Any updates in regards to the skate park? It should be done by the end of August. Yep. So our raffle drawing will be out on the October 3rd, which we're hoping to have a grand opening October 3rd. It'll depend on COVID, of course. Yeah, yeah. Nice. Yeah, they're going to do a lot. And we are going... Perfect. Yep. He said August 3rd. I have a couple of concerns so I'm just going to make them when he comes back. In our room appointment for the evening, big bar, we got you in the fire corner, but you can always grab a seat in the middle or something if you want, it's just easier. With getting the concert on the green series going again, I had thrown out some potential things that just trying to figure out how we would get the downtown involved a little bit more because some of the businesses were either closed or working at half, 50%, so I reached out to John, about seeing if we can food vendor or maybe you could possibly drink a vendor or something else. So this evening, big bar has an application in for a request to cater events at the band show. And it does say in the end that, just so you guys know, I said, do you all just submit the application to TLC at least five days prior but just there already reached out to TLC because I had suggested that they call them in advance and let them know to be quick turnaround. It sounds like they were fine with it. It sounds like attorney said to the check. They actually have a balance with them just on voting today. Okay, that's excellent. So we'll email it up. You know, they've ordered it and all that, so that way they'll be there. Thank you for calling. I just want to increase the wheels a little bit just in case you didn't want to. Yeah, and I'll have to talk to the department and ask you. Yeah, I'm sure it gets approved tonight. I'll make sure to visit in the morning. So just the details on the application is to really just piggyback with the band shell concert on the green series, which right now the dates of the events are the 15th, 22nd and 29th of July, the 5th, 12th, 19th and 26th of August. I read that too fast. I can say that again. It has us halfway through that I'm not used to. So it was the 15th, 22nd and 29th of July, the 5th, 12th, 19th and 26th of August. Those are the current event dates. And then the hours of operation would be 6 to 9. Does it start at 6 and not 7? I think that what they've applied for is to be able to set up an operator a little bit before. And then just with this application there are certain directives that have to be met as well as state and federal guidelines that you should meet. Well, adverse, probably more than we are. But the top six directives on here to the town or the clerk and approval follow all the liquor control laws locally must have a defined area or serving for serving and consuming alcohol. So it has to be designated by some sort of barrier that's typically beer fester. You don't have either the barrier fencing or something that you can designate people safely. What are you going to use? What are we thinking? Just some basic spice we would just hammer into the grass and straight some constructions? Sure, sort of big tape? Yes, something like that. If you want physical barrier people can walk through a lot. We've got a bunch of colors. Whereabouts on the property? It's pretty much the boundary of a mask. So we would put barriers up. How to barrier this time. I can show you about the neighbor's edge and then across the sidewalk and then down the park. So sort of that grassy area areas that I was in. So basically fan chill green area? Yes, exactly. Just on the lawn. And we would be telling everybody. So church parking along to the street frontage to the Yeah, there's no Yeah, I was just saying Yeah, there's no particular limit. It's just we need to keep it. If there's concerns about that we can make it smaller. I was thinking since it's a natural area for the mask. The thing we talked about last time was making sure that we only had a certain number of people there at the concerts and they had to be able to spread out. So keeping your area under control but allowing for everybody else to be able to spread out. Yeah. What's kind of unique to this is probably going to put a little bit more responsibility on your business. The normal is normally when these functions are going on the beer tent, let's say is confined to a really small area of that piece. It might be a 10 by 10 squared off area where you could drink and stand there and watch the concert or something. But in this case of COVID, spreading out and taking that type of ground is you're going to be responsible for all alcohol that is either coming in or going out of that boundary. That's a pretty large boundary to start. People are going to be allowed to drink and then walk around on our property? Well, you can't leave a ban shell there. No, I mean, that's for the narrator there. It's an all-town property. The ban shell? In other words, some way to bring in beer and you're not going to know the difference. Well, yes. That's true. I mean, we would know what we brought in and what somebody else was talking about. In other words, it's open drinking there for anybody that wants to bring their own beer and drink. No, it says you've got to find the area for sort of bringing in consumption. So it would be kind of like what we had to do over at the depot there, where you couldn't leave this area. You had to stay in this area. You couldn't just wander around. So what's your... How are you towards the ban shell? What's that like? I was assuming it would be toward the stage. I was thinking this would be a barrier inside the ban shell on the creek, basically. Easily changed to a smaller area. Well, I think my concern, and I think it's kind of piggybacking on that or somewhere around it, is the larger the area that you designate here, the more potential liability for you. You know, it becomes harder to police if you get a bigger area. It's not like you're going to have Oscar there or somebody watching to see if someone's coming to go into the beverage. But we will only ask that there. Is that way to watch the area? And everybody who started it it would be made known that this is where they have to keep up. How many people are you having over here? I mean, two. One person started it, and then one to two people started it, and then at least two other people watched it. What are you going to serve on everything? Just for pickles. We serve everything in a pink solo cup. I'm going to give you that weird definite indicator that you didn't get in you. That's probably a pretty good idea. I mean, if you had some certainly privately unifiable cup, let's say, then it's easier because if someone sneaks down I'm sure there are some people right now that are sneaking under. But check those water bottles. It's probably not. I guess, Jesse, the question would be that is a huge area. Do you feel like four people is enough to actually keep eyes on it? Or is it for your own liability sake, is it safer to make it a little more manageable? Because it does feel a little like, I don't think four people even two are serving. Let's say you're in full steam and two are serving. Two people with eyes on that whole area. You're going to get people doing things you're not comfortable with and then it's your neck on the line, not the town. So it's, you know, I think look at it from the perspective of realistically how you feel and what you feel as managerial as well as obviously what we're going to say. But I guess that you're hearing some sort of like, oh, that sounds a little unmanageable and if that seems the same thing, like, oh, maybe it is. I personally feel pretty comfortable with the managerial at the mountain area. We have, and I also got from John, there's a couple of volunteers with our council that have volunteered to be on gate duty basically and our staff as well. I do, I'm flexible and I thought about like a beer tent is sort of the situation keeping it a smaller sort of crowd and more flexible. Which it's harder to do right now because of the you know, the space that you're giving me. You know, if it was not those times then you could have like a little pen where you keep everybody and kind of go into places but I just, I mean it's kind of basically the way I see it is, you know, the town is giving you, you know, the permit to do this and then it's your responsibility so it's not, you know, the town is going to say you know, all of a sudden something happens there and then we're just going to say okay, we're going to pull the permit. Well, I was like, the next question is how would that work if something you know, god forbid something went wrong. Well, if you get any permission, we're responsible. Well, you know what we would do is require that you know, it seems like Jesse would provide us his proof of insurance. You could ask him to provide us a proof of insurance. The other thing is if something goes wrong, you're going to have a control board. If you have a problem the first time we pull this permit and call DLC and say look, you know what, there's a problem in the vending, this is what happened and we're going to revoke his permit and how great to do that because you're going to have a control board, the local control board. I would think we'd get a copy of the insurance anyway, right? Wouldn't that be part of the process? Yeah, yeah. The other thing too is you could try if you were ready to try a smaller I assume it used to be different that you had to have a specific, a smaller area which was a timeline was had to before have a smaller area that you couldn't let them go out of but now it's interesting because you know, COVID you bring up a good point about meeting more people. Or I remember, yeah, if it's in the sort of lower down area, yeah, that would be great. Yeah, I'm going to grab this flower I don't know where to start. Henry, the sweat board have read the ordinance on alcohol on the town property. So I got it and you can get it. So it does say there's a ordinance for the town, there's a ordinance that obviously you don't have to contain your law and you can see everybody walking around town so we'll have it over here. So you do have that, you also have not state parks, town parks, which also says, you know, no smoking, no alcohol, no wood flame and now that you're on the select board you have the right to authorize them. It doesn't say in the ordinance that we have any way of granting permission to anybody. It's not in the ordinance. I was thinking that you still would have that right you guys are on the select board. So we can change any ordinance we want anytime? So you are going to be on the select board. Okay, then I say that we've got to drink in the town of Bethlehem. We'll go right back to Dodge City. Well, we have to put it. We have to follow the process and you know, it's changed. What are we going to do if somebody else comes in and wants to do this? We're going to say yes or no. We've said a president. They're going to have to do it. Bill Campbell wants to come up and do it. We've got to say yes to him because he might want to try to make a little extra money. You're right. Once you've said a president, I don't know how you can say you can't get out of there. You're right. Because everything is a president. Right? I have a real question. The application talks about 50 people. The governor or maybe we can have 150 people there. So with that, what is I mean, probably just Yeah, he just Yeah, and actually, John Belly had said that he can eat, you know, usually the smaller things work off if you make them and you usually see a ton of people. So it was what John had said. So it's just no fraud spending on drug persons. Last week there were 20 people there. Oh, yeah? There were 20. They really reached 150. So I think John had said the average is about a year and a half. John said the average is about two people. Just keep moving on with the directives here. We can go back and talk about any of them afterwards. Also by this, it does say that you must have separate toilets or lavatories available for men and women. So are you thinking about bringing in a toilet or talking to the white church or do you have that? Yeah, that's a question to you all also because I know there's usually a quarter party there for the summer. I've seen some other venues around here this summer. There's one for the body by the State House and not here. So yeah, I'm curious about what We actually had a home mall. We didn't put on a key finder because the COVID regulations at that time were going to be that we had to clean them twice a day. At one point it was twice a day. We just couldn't do it around the staff to do that. So we didn't put one. I called John and said look, I'm sorry, but we're not going to be fun. It's not going to be one of the fan shell. He said, all right, no problem. The concert is that long. So a couple hours. I don't know what the white church has. I don't know if they have two bathrooms. Yes, they do. Yeah, so you have to Why should you have to You have to ask them if they would be willing to do it because yeah, we don't and if you put one out there, then you'd be responsible for cleaning it. And I don't know how much they charge about taking it out on their state. They should be cleaned each person. Going in and out should be cleaned every person. The view talks about Yeah, it's not what the regulations say now, but I don't know, but I wouldn't want to use one to clean them. Because we don't have some of the clean ones. We don't have command power to do it. That's what we do. Have you talked to the white church? Because I think that would probably be the one like since there is one there now. We can't depend on them saying yes to everything. Well, again, I'm just getting ahead of myself here, but if we did approve this it would be on prior to have all these provisions put together. If they don't have one, then they're operating outside their permit. Which then they choose not to operate it or they operate it and deal with the consequences. I just wanted to make sure everybody was going through the local directives anyways. Granted there's a ton of state and federal The other one was we touched base a little bit on sufficient number of employees for control purposes, which is their duty is only really to kind of walk around and make sure that people aren't leaving the area or coming in the area with alcohol. I guess that is my biggest point. Based on the area, so if you're now saying the ban shell green, I call anything on that's green of their ban shell would be that. What do we think would be the proper number of people walking around? I mean I would think two or three people if they were walking around all the time would be able to see what's going on. That's probably you know, but I don't know what's going on. Not knowing the way the law is written and you might know the answer to this. Since you're sort of talking about the whole area, are there regulations about underage people being in the area that they can be in there whether or not they're legally allowed to drink? They can be within the barrier. Okay. That was my wonder was like, are you making all the people stand outside in the parking lot? Okay. You know it's like day care. There has to be like one adult or X amount of people. Wouldn't you do that with the rules of control when you serve? Do they recommend that you have one person for X amount of people? That's probably your thing. I don't know. I have to get back to you on that. I would say in general, when we're doing an event, anything over 50 people we usually have to serving. With the attendance at the concerts, I feel pretty comfortable. Like a number of people are coming I feel confident that myself plus two employees plus another volunteer would be capable of monitoring. Coming back to the bathrooms, the other thing we floated because we're coming to you with this knowing that there is a low alcohol awareness in long-time property. There is a certain close to this march. The nature of our business does not allow us to operate the way we normally do. We're born to pivot in ways that do what we're supposed to be able to do. So we are completely shut. This is basically a plea to allow us to do some business in town. We're starting to learn that way. We're hoping that this would also increase attendance in the ancient countries. Well, if you're taking up so much area, there's not going to be so much room for people that want to come and not drink. Well, they can be in there. They don't have to drink this. If you get a drink to go to a band, you might as well not. You've got a pretty poor lifestyle. Maybe it becomes after the first day the first day you understand how many people you serve. Let's say the first one you serve 10 people. Maybe the next one, you've got to have a different, you know, instead of using the whole green, maybe you're only using a half of it or a quarter of it, knowing that you're never going to get to sit in series or something. I think it's going to depend too on the music who you get. Larry, you're starting to draw on 30 people, but John Lackard might draw in 75. You know what I mean? This is different. You know, any type of, you know, alcohol on public, you know, in public land, it becomes more of a potential for issues. You know, there's always people that, you know, trying to take advantage of that, but I'm sure if you go up to the green now, regardless, there's probably other people that are going to come in. It's just in this case, you know, really he's coming for permission. Right, looking at it, regardless of if they buy the alcohol from you or not, if you're taking responsibility for the green, you know, with your permit, so you've got to really be careful now. So even the ones that are sneaking alcohol and you become liable for that now. Or a potential of somebody coming in and just buying a beverage and walking away. You know, thinking that there's open, you know, kind of thing. So is that, that may happen too. And you may, you know, it doesn't say here, but I would think that you probably want some sort of sign that says, you know, alcohol will be drank on ban shell property or, you know, not allowed to, you know, couldn't be on sidewalk, let's say. I mean, you know, it can't be in most certain areas. Yeah, but then you'd have to say, within the lunch tape or pink tape or all that you know, or must be in the orange cup or whatever it is. I'm just concerned about the precedent side. I mean, I like the fact that having local business had the opportunity to think out of the box and do something like this, but I wonder how, how do we justify that to somebody coming up to me and saying, you've got an ordinance that says no consumption of alcohol, you know, on town property just in the town in general is an open, an alcohol, I forget what it's called, it's the very first ordinance on the list. Open container laws. Is that open container laws? Yeah. And so how do you, how do we do that on town property? That would be the thing about those words on town property, on town property. Great. I wanted to, about just the whole spacing of the ban shell, let's just for fun, you took half of the right, so the left hand side facing and then left the other half, it might, sort of like what Mo was saying, some people might not want to go to a concert and drink and might be driven away by it and I can see, especially families with kids being turned away by the idea of having to enter into a barriered off area whereas like if you're just half of it, but not all of it, if there might even be a little bit of a different feel that it's not like a free-for-all. Like I think where Paul's going is like we're setting a precedent and if our precedent that we're setting is, the whole things open does that feel different than if we say here's this designated area. I think it might look like cockadoodle or toasters or anybody else that distributes a type of beverages wanted to come in and do the same thing. I mean, you like I say, once you go down the rival you're not going to come back out again. Obviously, we're all over again. Please, did you do something at a different time? We have concerts on Wednesdays. What we would do is people would sign up for a Wednesday for a fundraiser, a response or whatever and it was ice cream social so people would do like a year in advance so it was like the Catholic Church always had the first Wednesday for their big thing and then we did do a tasting sometime when they had the permission and they had the container on the green but they did, so it was coming in doing wine or some sort of spirit and you get a small light tasting area for our sample, that sort of thing and they did that there but they signed up for it so if you had something where you had a repeat where you wanted people to do something you could have people sign up in advance, maybe John would like that where you had maybe, okay we're going to do food you're going to do hot dogs in the year one night and somebody else is going to do something else on a Wednesday so maybe maybe you have to work in that it's more of a people sign up in different businesses have different opportunities on a Wednesday throughout the summer I don't know, I mean there's just some Jesse do you have to serve food also? I mean is that part of a license like you have to do down over here? It's part of our, yeah, just kind of generally it's part of a license and I talked with Stacey back in the morning who was available to decide on hot dogs so that's where they would sort of accompany us so we have to we have to have the option of first the dog, right? yeah and I can see what Therese was saying like let's say we want to continue this into next year but babes is able to be open maybe then next year it's putting it into more of a rotation and opening it up beyond that so in other words, just fall from the area I took the first leg and set up a drinking update or two they would have to have they're not new one this year so but if they would have to they would have to have somebody cater it because you would need them to have their liquor license along with all the appropriate training and stuff so they would have to come and either approve it or deny it it'd probably have to be a established you know, cock doodles or babes or something like that that already has I wouldn't think that someone would just for one event would decide to do that and they'd have to get a catering license you have a separate catering license for alcohol whereas babes serves alcohol but doesn't necessarily have cock doodle serves alcohol but doesn't have a catering license I think that's the other piece I mean he has the training he has all that how are you supposed to drink with a master? that's up to you straws through the side you know how COVID spread around all whoever said well, the 20 people that were there at the concert last week they didn't have a master because they were probably all social they all 6 feet of power so yeah I mean, you know, we can't not be in there and that's pretty much that's one of the biggest reasons we're not going to be in the bar right now is to prevent the opportunity for this yeah, people need to do obviously my concern is I don't want to be one of these outside things that I've been involved with I've worked there for 15 years and when we do that we're kind of what you're going to do we have a barrier that you can't get through and there's a 6 foot wide opening that's in and out you can't go around so that's what's in my vision and what you might have to do to do that there so I'm not here and I'm going to do that well, we can certainly do that maybe it gets a little bit of a possibility I don't know I've seen right then and I knew the guy in front of the joint he said that's what the DLC told him I don't know if that's true and I don't know and you're talking about the mesh, the orange mesh barrier we're going to pay back the points yeah, that's a pretty foot tall and you've got to be a gorilla to get through it actually cleaned up the fare from the drinking broth now is that more do you guys seize anything or is that more on the vendor that's taking the responsibility for making sure people don't leave that area Scott, he runs the runner reading up there at least of it and then the guy that I really thought was important was Matt said that he looked at the patrol he said that you have to go here you have to come in here and you go out here I would think it would be because it says defined area for serving a consumption alcohol designated barriers maybe they define designated barrier I don't know I don't know if you can see it defined, I've seen it I've seen it done but it was just like you want to go to a bank and it's those whole things I see where the strip goes between I've seen it just those I've seen it a little drinking plastic white chain on the sidewalk where it went from this to this one maybe it was different because it was a temperature barrier I don't know it was a picture I was thinking of too I've seen it where it's on the sidewalk it's just this little plastic chain is it possible that we can get a little more like a diagram of some kind and get a little better idea of the confinement area that we're talking about because it's kind of hard to picture and if we it's going to be similar to the temperature area kind of thing then one way in one way out kind of like we had set up down the depot there that one time I think that would be a better picture for us to take a look at I don't know if we've got enough time to be able to see something more specific that shows the exact area and how the traffic is going to come in and out was it just a barrier or was it just a little drawing it was a picture of the satellite picture of the area just saying this is where we're going to put the batteries out but this is when I was considering just the only I would have to open it up have you got that area photographed with you and my delay will be but I'm just wondering if we if we're looking to go in that direction if we could structure it somehow in a specific amount of square footage or x by x section and then you could figure it out it sounds like right now anyway it sounds like we have two separate questions to figure out what the first one will be regardless of what we're going to say you might be running on somebody else's property this is not it but I'm just saying with the way that says so before we get too far with Bayes what we may want to do first is decide regardless of what the area looks like or all the parameters do we want on branding permits on animal property to use nuts and all to over get because we get too far we decide that we just don't want to do that and we just want people to start so this slide will be I think the first question is aren't we willing as a slide board to open up the open container line of the town on animal property to allow special events because again like most of them if you open up to one you're going to have to open you're going to have to open up to everybody so are we prepared to allow that for all of our other businesses and customers of the town then and then if we say we're good with that then the second thing would be go to Bayes and say this is what we really like to see to do that like we can find an area or put up a certain fence or limit to so many people I'd hate to get them into doing too much work unless we turn around and say we're just not comfortable with opening it up for the public we could restrict it to the ban shell because then we don't have to black out change the ordinance that says we no longer have an open container we could just limit this to the ban shell area well the other question is what about if they have a wedding here and you want to have drinks well they can hire Jesse to come in he can bring his catering license in here we have a party here you have the burger yeah you had to benefit the concert yeah for my specifically concert and dinner what was that it was May 2018 maybe 2016 I don't believe the sweat quote I don't remember approving it well we did I don't know I was looking through you I don't know I don't know I've been serving here in this building in the last two years you have no I'm not I've been serving here there's somebody who had to sign it and it wasn't the sweat I think it used to be that the town clerk would sign these and maybe they didn't come in front of the work and I was here one came in and someone said that doesn't need to go to the board the clerk signed it I'm like no it has to go to the board and then the clerk signs it so I have a feeling there may have been some cases where it was being signed but it hadn't come here first it was an impression I had because I had to answer a question about that when I first came and I was like oh maybe the clerk signed it I guess this ordinance is no good I think we'd rip it up and throw it away I don't know I had wondered but I had never seen proof that happened so I wanted to just ask you in the beginning because I said you know what it says right here that the town clerk signature but it does say each event must have approval from the town city before submitting so maybe there was some confusion past I don't know it may not have could you guys have posters in the town office oh I'm sure I have no idea I have no idea I was playing out and just saying you may have been I'm just like the board member I gave myself a mission I need to start this right well yeah I think at this point I don't know if we should strict it if we're going to make a motion I don't know if we restrict one or two identities in the town or if it would be yeah I guess that was going to be one of my questions are we able to so trying to follow what Dave was saying are we able to designate if we say yes to this and it opens up this concept that anybody could get permission can we restrict it to a business with a catering license and an individual wanting to have a wedding right so then if they wanted that they would have to have a business that caters the business carries insurance and is basically taking on that liability as opposed to an individual saying I want to serve alcohol they don't necessarily have the same level of insurance because whoever does it in order to come to the request of cater they would have to be legitimate because they have to provide a license number okay and my daughter is getting wedding getting married and I want to have it here and I'm happy to have it here then no the slide of order could say no they could say the only way you could have alcohol okay that's what she's asking so if we can we designate it as only a business that holds a catering license and insurance could serve alcohol because like at my wedding we had friends serve alcohol we didn't have a caterer serve it some people do that right some people do that so just to think about the liability on the town's behalf if we're going to open this door to people potentially serving alcohol on town property we would cover our butts a bit more if we're designating that license caterer with the services doing it you have to establish a structure for the whole process we're going to start limiting square footage you have to revisit you have to revisit the ordinance and you also have a rental agreement for town apparently it says no alcohol little did you know what you were doing so do you read it as that we need to make an amendment to the current policy to be able to offer this or are we for you saying that we can go ahead and grant individual licenses for special events on a first time person you have the authority to make I think that you have the authority yes to do with the I'm saying right now because the ordinance says it can't have alcohol you can't make an amendment tonight to the ordinance because make an amendment to the ordinance takes time you have to warn it you have to do that however you can I don't see do we have to write because we're not making an amendment to approve the application I don't see why you wouldn't have your responsibility to decide on what happens on the property yes you have the ordinance however you are also the same body that can change so I guess I would have to do with some more I just never thought it was something fine because I've seen it done before so I just didn't think it was an issue because every town has open container line I see what's going on in the world today it's just full of stuff we want well maybe look at every town probably has open container line that's why you have a request cater it comes in front of you if it didn't have an open container line everybody can do what they want so they automatically are giving you a request to go outside of your you know your open container by allowing you to approve individually or request cater so to me it does there's no mention in the ordinance right now I'm sure it isn't one year without things signed so I'm just saying we want to change the ordinance we've got to go through the procedure of doing it and then there's a 30 day waiting period after we change it I understand the process in how to amend the ordinance I'm just saying I think that obviously state law supersedes I think that that's why we even have this process we wouldn't even have any grant request to cater if we didn't have you know open container so I wonder if the state kind of made this pathway that's the state's way of giving us permission that's what I designated an area I have taken it this doesn't take it to account that it's town proper this is a general application it could be on someone's private land it could be anything so there's a new form that's revised on 322 this is 19 this form so is there any leeway in the current I don't have to front me with the current I'll see that that does grant we select for the opportunity to it's pretty kind of right should we confer the LTC the ordinance was an active purpose of prohibiting outfall of beverages or the possession of open containers pertaining outfall of beverages in public places in the town the ordinance may be reviewed but then I don't see any way to get in here but I can certainly live out if you folks are willing to go on before we come to meet the marches that's not within the ordinance I knew there was one I just didn't think it was a problem well it's the first one on the list so you've got to start somewhere that's my only concern if we do go in that direction we'll have to set up a structure that somebody coming in and if we limit it to the ban shell we'll have to say you have so many square feet you have to have so many people watching blah blah blah I can see restricting it I can't see throwing out the ordinance that doesn't make sense but setting up some kind of structure where we could have a on a case by case basis well that would require another piece of the document because it's put up by the department monitoring division of winter control so that's just not our document it would be a town document that says you'd have to do this and that and the other thing provide all the documentation that shows that you've been to the deal of the town of winter control I mean it might be you know because it does refer back to state statute too so that was on print piece of the leaf we probably would have to circle around with the leaf to see what based on what our ordinance is and what our options are I think it's sad what they've done here the state is good at doing this it's very ambiguous I mean having defined areas and consumption of all the designated areas defined areas count that one areas comb on every corner of the town and that would fill like a mission are you kidding me you should be clearer for you to know what you need to do I think if you could do that too Jesse if we're going to circle around to the BLCT and just to check there if you could do a little diagram that shows the potential area that you're looking at and keep everything that we've talked about tonight about trying to keep it restricted you know if you assume you have 100 let's say we have 100 people there how would you set up to allow 100 people to have enough social distancing you have X number of square feet to handle X people correctly distanced so you do have an important knot with an entrance to exit and we have 39 people in here we don't have one more I'll commit that happens in a lot of places we have 30 people in that six feet apart that's pretty much square footage I don't remember we could go like I think it's I can't remember what the governor has right now square footage so it's not quite the right yeah that's why we haven't opened our first and second floors because it's just not you know I guess you see the struggle I'm on the liquor control website and then I'll give you more information I think it's gonna it's gonna end up holding it's gonna end up holding it's gonna end up holding it's gonna end up holding it's gonna end up holding it's gonna end up holding it's gonna end up holding it would like to move forward with something or you know to client it all together or table it until the next meeting we'll we'll have some opportunities to touch base with a league to see what you know without making amendments to the ordinance now I'll just you know opportunity to you better describe how that plan would look like. And I think we'll look at it a long haul. I mean, it's not just you this year if wanting to do these particular events where it's setting up something that's gonna last. Well, if somebody wanted to do something like, what was the end of the Ford Fester? Beyond us. If we ever had another street fair again, you know, there's all those different things that could hold on here or here. If you wait in the next meeting, it's only going to leave in three venues. All right, next one. James is 275, not even. All right. We leave him with five. Yeah, no, because we don't meet to the 27th, so there's a 29. Okay. But he's got so many days to get that in before. But you brought him to that. Yeah, he said they leave at 27, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't think that's a concern. I think he answered the question. Which of those two? It wouldn't be ideal to lose to it a little bit. Okay. If he's in the area a little better, how you want to control it would make me a lot more. Yeah. And I think, yeah, we were gonna go with the latter option that Chris was saying of waiting for two weeks. I'd want to give Jesse some pretty clear, like what we want. So even if it's not, yeah. Well, right, so it's like the fine area or definitely able to use the bathrooms of the white church, like things like that. So then at least it's not, you're not stalled out two weeks from now with different issues. It doesn't have to rely on a white church for bathrooms because that's, they're not a public building they're a church, that's a thing. And they could charge you 50 bucks for the use of bathrooms or whatever, 100 bucks. But I think, you know, I think to Linley's point is right now, I think the board needs to decide is do we want to move forward with the potential of allowing alcohol on town property? And, you know, again, any of the other pieces, all we're really, it's just about, you know, are we gonna allow it or not? And then whoever is the vendor is that we give permission to, they have to sort out all the details. I mean they have to sort out where people go to the bathroom who's cooking food or that's all part of their permit. That's not for us to sit here and, you know, micromanage. But what we have to decide right now is, you know, do we want to approve it as is, which doesn't sound like you want to. You know, do we want to, like Mo said, do we want to decline it all together? Or do we want to move forward with finding out some information from the league and then making a better decision than the next meeting? You know, the league might say, you know, as per whatever you have to write as for it to do it on individual basis, I don't know, but they may say that. So, I mean, but again, we don't want to waste time if we're, you know, the board decides that we don't want to move forward with this, regardless of what the league is saying. We don't even know that, there's no sense of, but if we say as long as the league, you know, or, you know, at this point, as long as a lawyer or a league says that we can move forward with this, the way it's run on that, then we can, you know, talk to Jesse and Owen and say, this is what we'd like to see, you know, the next time when we're something like that. So, I guess the first question is, I'd like to have more information before, I mean, if we say yay or nay, we're kind of, we're locked. And I'm feeling like I'd like to get the VLCT opinion and more defined boundaries and plans. So if the league, so what I'm trying to get at it is, so if the three stocks of the league and the league says, or whatever state statute or whatever you have, the authority to branch this on a case-by-case basis, so you willing to move forward with that. Okay, so Paul's going to, what's your thoughts on that, David? Under a lot of conditions. Well, if there's more to that, I mean, we would give you a move forward with seeing the plan, I'm still going to stick with it. Better definition of an area and how you're going to take it. That's important because it's on here, but that's up to them right now. Why don't you do what they say you got to do? I don't care, I don't care how you do it. I do think that it would be important to me to know where is this area and how you're going to find it and control it and make saying, yep, okay. So if the league says that we can approve the vendor application as term, then the agreement we're going to, we're trying to get as we get a consensus of this then before he leaves tonight, we're going to go through this, what we're going to say for the next time. Because if it doesn't make sense for him to do all that homework, we're just going to shoot you down. I have a really different idea. So those of you that know the boundary line better than me, tell me where I'm wrong on this. But what if you approached the white church about using their land as the beer garden, right? So there's that green space up along the side of the building up to the front and even sort of back around in the backside of the parking lot and that's buried off. You're not on town property. You're on their private property getting their permission but you're still able to see the venue. It might alleviate this issue entirely. And then maybe it's that you work something out with the white church. The whole project of the white church is windows. Right. I mean, the idea being that it's not putting us in the bind of are we setting a precedent that we can't go back easily on and then maybe you can work something out with them of a fee for use of the bathrooms and the land and everything's on you in terms of that. I don't know. It's just an idea as maybe worth exploring. Why don't we just open up a copy of the whole thing for the conversation and everything? It says ban shell. Pardon? It said nobody else has ban shells in the acoustics. Well, they can build one. So I mean, yes, that gives them an option that this doesn't work, you know. Right. Maybe it's a white church option. I can't see you leaving them on for two, three weeks and then saying, oh, yes, either way. Well, but even like I think the thing that a lot of us are grappling with is that it does sort of put us in this weird spot where we want to help them out, but we're sort of setting a precedent, right? And if we just don't have to deal with the precedent issue at all, because it's not on town property, they're taking the responsibilities, you know, like Dave was saying, all of the things that the state wants are still on them, but it's not on public property in a sense. Well, there's no white church on public property. I don't know. It's just a thought. But churches are kind of funny about alcohol. Right. Well, it's outside the building. Yeah, well, the white church gave us permission to do an April event without the home, but we had to co-operate. We'd already set up for using the white church for our April thing without the home. I see. Yeah. Yeah, you catered kind of there before. And they gave the Italian dinner to the Bethlehem University with alcohol in the white church. So we've done it. Yeah, they will have a lot of somebody with a catering license to come in there. Yeah, I've been to events there. There's an alcohol. Let's find out as well. Let's just keep on with the town-owned responsibilities. And then, you know, I mean, even if we say yes, I mean, it still gives maybe, you know, maybe just go over the white church and that might be the easiest thing anyways. Right, and that's an option. You know, if we have a majority that says no right now, at that point, you know, your only option is to look at the white church, you know. So Dave, if I'm hearing you right, if we're at the league or somebody says that we're allowed to prove this as is, as long as it follows all the rules. I want to start with the crazy thing with the ordinance. You don't want to start just doing things with the ordinance. And then someone will do that with that ordinance. Why can't you let me buy one of the trash orders changed or whatever? The league is typically very conservative. So they're going to get it off the side of the extreme side of caution. We're going to have board members. No, but they're the insurance company. That's what he's saying. They'll probably, you know, learn from you about how you should do it. My task dealing to the league is it's the league, you know, if there is a legal room in there, they're going to hear on the side of saying no. Just because of the insurance and, you know, things like that. Which then it's just as simple as, what does the board want to do? If it is to go to the league to see what the league's doing, opinion is on it. And if they say no, then we're at no. Right? I mean, I want to support our business. I want to back a single thing. Right? But while we're, if we get approval here to go talk to the league, let's say, while we're doing that, it still gives Jesse the option to go, Jesse, no, on the option to go talk to what church do. So we can have a plan A and B, you know. But I just don't want to get too far into the leads here. They don't really need to. So it sounds like the league, you're kind of on the same boat with Paul? Yeah. And Lindley, what are you thinking? I mean, yeah, I definitely, I want to support them being able to have some business and some income. But I also think we have to be cautious about the precedent. And I think regardless of whether they end up at the van shell or at the white church, like, obviously, we need to update our ordinance. But yeah, it'd be nice to have, if it's going to be on town property, it'd be nice to at least, as a board, have some defined what we're willing or not willing to give. And so like Dave was saying, like, define parameters. But maybe also how we'd be setting this precedent for a future. Like, if two weeks from now somebody else comes to us with a different thing, are we comfortable saying the same thing that we're saying to Jesse as we are to this other entity? I guess that's where I land with it. It's not a good answer. Hit 103. It's kind of a non-answer. I'm doing that. I'm getting the ballot box out, et cetera. I abstain. Well, it sounds like, regardless of what we do here, we're probably still going to have to go back and re-look the current policy and sign this board if we want to make any amendments to that. And at least my understanding is we can say yes to Jesse and no to somebody else if, for whatever reason, we felt uncomfortable with that other entity, correct? I know, I know, but we can't, technically. I'm not saying we would. But just that, you know, if Jesse comes to us and he's got all his ducks in a row, but somebody else, you know, Mo comes and says, I just don't want to serve alcohol to my buddies, I don't know. You and George. I don't know. So right now, anyway, to get a majority of us wants to look at, at least, the lien to see if we are allowed to operate. So, what's your opinion? So it looks like we, if you had to look at this, yes. That's see how it looks like it goes way out here. Looks like you on this, but it looks like they own the majority of the department a lot. However, 911 viewer is not always really accurate depending on the parcel math, because you're right. This makes it look like the white church owns the majority of the department a lot. And I remember the question from Mo is that we own all of it. So this 911 viewer, 911 viewer could, is not always accurate. Tends on the first, if it's been a survey. Because I think we all, the grass up to the white church. Well, I don't know. We had a complaint about telling that there's at least a mark in there. People could hang out in a line watching the concert. They looked into it and I think Oscar got involved. For sure, but I mean, we're also trying to support. The white church owners are just talking about the work and the challenges of being taken. I know, I believe you. It's more glamorous of time. Yeah, it's the moment. I am the best I can. I haven't heard what Mom said. That's what I'm going to do, but maybe what you're saying. I don't know. I have to go look and see if any of the survey in the parcel math. No, we can talk to Larry. You know, Larry Noble. He's the poncho with the white shirt and look at the D too. But yeah, but the feeling was that the white church owned that parking area because we're having trouble. We're having trouble getting somebody that was living there moved along. And it was looked into the state police got involved. Oscar got involved and whatnot. So their determination was that. I don't think it was an official determination. I'm going to say I wasn't part of that. I'd have to go. We think that we would have some rights to some of the parking there. We plow the whole thing. So I guess if the church owns kind of lit, we don't call all of it. People can figure out how to go plow. I mean, so it sounds like we're willing to table this. We're going to get some more information from the lead to see if we can even move forward with granting the application the way the ordinance is currently. Now, in the meantime, is there any recommendation would like to give the applicant in regards to diagram of the area or breaking down the area or what we'd like to see for a barrier or something? Now that I've seen this map, I would suggest to take a look at a weekly map. So I don't know the parts of it. I think I'll exact what that is. How does the court of law have it running? An awful lot of area to work for that doesn't belong to me. Oh, I can look. If you were going to ask them to use their restaurant, you'd be on their regular office. I don't know if that's what it's going to look like. It's a little bit of a purpose of combining the two events that have a lot to do with the area. I don't know. It's two things to do. So I guess at this point, make things easier for them. Are we OK with allowing them to use the full parcel of whatever that is over there? At the white church. Right now, we're assuming it's the green areas to be the designated imprint, the designated area for drinking or should that area be reduced to the size? Are you talking about the size of church or power? The current proposal, if this is granted, is that the entire green area up there would be the designated drinking area. So I guess on our end, what feedback can we give them right now? So if we did this, are we saying that half of it, a quarter of it, a piece of it, what? And then if they changed on that, then they'd be able to figure it out. But I would think that one, you'd want to have it not in the middle of everything. You want it off to the side somewhere, either next to the ban shell down at that end or somewhere where it's not right in the middle of the whole. Could you do a strip? Essentially, you're looking at the ban shell, and you split it half and half. So half is whichever half, and half this way, and half that way. If you get people who really just they don't want to, or they don't want their kids around alcohol, they can still get up to the stage. They can still have visibility, but not, well, sure. But I think you're making an unfair set of arguments over here, that people are going to go. People are going to drink, and some people aren't going to drink. People are going to go, regardless of whether there's alcohol. I don't think it's going to dictate. That's all people have done in life. They've got a pretty poor pitchboard on it. I think, Jesse, if you've made, you're going to have to make like a beard type kind of thing, where you've got a restricted area in and out. But I would think people are going to come. I don't think, if you have it in the middle, it's just going to be in the middle of the majority of people trying to look at the ban and hear the ban, gather up to the side, people are going to go there. I mean, if they want to be here, they're going to have it here. So I think the area down by the ban shell next to it, down to there maybe, maybe that's a possible area. If you don't want to be tying up parking, there's usually a lot of parking down in that area too, behind the white church and adjacent to the ban shell area. So maybe if you would tuck down in that area there, you know, something like that, just. That was kind of what I had pictured, was kind of like when the past, when we had the art bus be down that corner, to be looking at the ban shell to the right, and just like to the side of the ban shell. That was actually the area right there. That was kind of the area I had kind of thought of. Of course, you know, if you're on the parking lot, I don't know how it would drive you to the ground, or even if I had to be stuck in a muck in or something. I don't know, you'd be in there. But, you know, I definitely don't feel comfortable with the whole area being open. Yeah, I don't, I don't want to. Because I just think it's one, it's going to be very hard to please. And two, you could put others in a position of, you know, I didn't come here to see people drink, I didn't come here to hear music. You know, I'd take you a little bit. So we've tabled us to the next meeting where we can get some information and we can see if we can even grant the application the way I would for ordinances. The other thing you could do is you could, there's another option, which is you change this so that where it says the location of the event is the bevel ban shell in common. Change it to a white church, which gives Jesse an omen the chance to deal with the white church tomorrow on the next day and see if, so take the town out of it entirely and approve it so that they can hold it at the white church if they get the approval of the white church. Then, then they, it doesn't stop them. They can start Wednesday if they get permission from the white church tomorrow or if it takes them a little bit longer, maybe they don't want to sell them those two, those two events. If they can get permission from the white church and we can supply them with a half of the amount. Well, but they still need. But you still need to sign up. They need to sign up. I mean, so. You still have to get approval and I could, we could start by showing them, tomorrow we can get them a picture of the actual, there's a survey, we can figure out what the town, what the white church owns via the, what we have on the tax maps. I mean, that at least gives you more options if we do that tonight. And then it gives you more options, yes. And it also gives you a deal. But he's going to be responsible if somebody's caught with alcohol on that property. Oh, right. I mean, he was going to be responsible, regardless. He's going to be responsible, regardless. I'm just saying, it gives you the opportunity to kick it from your plate. You can do some research, but it also doesn't hold him up and it gives him the chance to, they've obviously allowed alcohol in the past. So maybe it gives Owen and Jesse an opportunity not to miss out on maybe they'll miss one and not both. And then it gives them an opportunity to open to our diligence and figure out what we're going to do. So how about we're doing that without the approval of the white church? But you can say that in motion. Obviously, you can't do it as we say. You say it. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to. Yeah, you have to say, you know, with removed permission from that. I'm just saying, it gives, instead of holding him up, obviously, nobody wants money and, you know, so I'm just saying there's another option if you want to entertain him. And I don't know who you talked about the church. If it's G.P. Jordan Fitz, some of the cheaper, but I don't know. It's that I doubt when I did the eight bone event that we're going to get to do, I had to get permission from Larry Delaunce. Yeah, Larry's a guy I did with Delaunce. Yeah, so Larry Delaunce. He referred me to Larry Delaunce. Oh, yeah. He does the schedule. Yeah. So at this time, what would you like to do? Would you like to? Wait for the next meeting and see what we come up with, which is a, you know, 50-50 F.S. type thing. In the meantime, you can figure out what plan B's there, but you'll probably lose two events. Or do you want to do what Tari said, take a chance with the white church? If the board approves it, then you would be all set to operate, you know, immediately, you know, after that, it's up to you and you and the white church and figure it out, you know. I guess I will approach the white church about it. I mean, I would call it, it's getting as a few to 20 minutes, I can go look at the space right now and try to go to the map for the service area, but it seems like it's not going to be there. We still want to go through the LCT process. Right, so it's going to be, from on the top of our property stands, it's still going to be another two and a half weeks. Right. So if we change this application, like Tari was saying, we change this to the white church, we can pre-approve it, assuming the white church gives, but you have to make that call, right? You're the applicant, so we can't change it for you. You have to say, yes, I want to change it to the white church. And then you'd have pre-approval, so let's assume they say yes next week or whenever you can shift into that space. But they'd be the one that then would designate where, right? We wouldn't have any say over where your barriers would be or how you can use the space because it's theirs. Well, they'd still have to adhere to the DLC. Well, right, but we wouldn't dictate where the barriers would go. This is just us pre-approving it, so you could do something before two weeks from now. We wouldn't have any control over it other than how God could go out to the public. Right. Yeah, they may say, well, you cannot, that's how you're going to have an insight. Well, I don't believe one person from church has been approved this. I think they're going to go through whatever their structure is of the political. Yeah, the house committee or whatever. Yeah, I can't think of the name right now. Prudential committee, I think. Thank you. Yeah, I'm not just trying to give you an option so that is that the... Yep. That's an interesting option. But again, at that point, that would be between Bates and the literature. But it at least gives you a path. Two potential paths forward. If we're pursuing one, then you can pursue this other. Yeah. So, yeah, and I'd love to that, since I don't know how to make that, but we can actually do that. Right. You can rent the whole church, the whole of me, the whole of me. No, we can have a day inside. Just to put that out there. The problem is you better hit the game to do that from here. I mean, the church there is only, you have the front yard, you have behind the building, and then I guess you probably have to find some sort of ownership map to figure out how much part of it is. I mean, we might not have as much of a share as we do. Yeah, we can look. I mean, right now, it's showing that it comes way out of the parking lot. The majority on that, 911, I would have. I would say only three quarters of that parking lot. So we would just have to double check that. The white chairs, I guess, take care of your whole restroom thing, too. Yeah. Yeah. So. I don't want to be described without a name, because I don't know where my name is, and I don't know where my corners are, and so on. And that's such a cool look. So what would you like to do? Well, I want to, I would like to see the white church. And in kind of this, I was still interested in. Would you like us to go, well, assume in the board, you know. Can we just do a couple of events? To motions, to change this to the white church, and see if we approve that this evening, and then you walk out of here with, you know, signed permit. Or leave it, and when he talks to the white church, and they say, okay, again we submit. But then it could be two weeks. But then he's still there. It could be two weeks. Unless, I would miss one. If the white church says okay, we'll probably miss this week, but. And then tell you, because we don't, we'll be back in session until the 27th. Well, if it's on the white church's property, that doesn't have anything to do with this. Right, right. Sure, if we got a petition. Well, that's what we're just going to tell you. That doesn't have to do with it. It's not a private property. Right. Right. It has to be approved. We have to approve it. So they don't sign in tonight. They don't sign up for two weeks, which means you don't, you miss the 15th and the 22nd. Well, why does this look like we'll have to sign with the white church? Because it's just a, because they're the local liquor control board. If you look at it here, it says each catered event must have approval from the town before submitting application of liquor control. Because these guys are the local liquor control board that they want to sign their liquor license. So they have to approve these. Even if it's on private property, they approve it. It's a funny thing, but it's way worse. And yes. Yeah, I would say if you want to go, if you're going to pursue the white church, you want us to do this application tonight. That would be in your best interest. We'll just white church, okay. The white church or is it the United Church of Bethel? I mean, I send my bills to the United Church of Bethel. Okay. It's kind of both, it's kind of both of them. I'm not sure what the corporation, all of them. The United Church of Christ. Yeah. So I would entertain a motion to accept the alcohol permit. For Babes Bar to access the land church of Christ, the white church for the events of the 15th, 22nd, or 9th of July, 5th, 12th, 19th, and 26th of August between the hours of 6th and 9th. Pending approval, pending permission from the owner themselves. So moved. Okay. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. Okay, that's all right. Okay. Okay, so I'm sorry, I just moved this motion and moved second. I don't think we did a second. Oh, second. Oh, second. Oh, I, well, I do entertain the motion. Yeah. I moved it. You moved it. Who seconded it? I'll second. Okay. I'm sorry. Thank you. Yeah. All right. So you all sat with that. I mean, I guess in the meantime, it doesn't hurt. Can you please give a phone call to the league? I'll email you. It's probably something that the board's gonna want to take up because there are other pieces of town property that have had functions. And we're finding out that they are going to come before it's over. You know, there was some reason the white shirt says, oh, right, and we're gonna have to revisit. We may have to revisit it. Yes, we're gonna have to revisit it anyways. But as far as the town hall, there's been some activity here. So it sounds like something that we may want to... And I'll get it. So the board that was in that actually, Pam has designed it, but so if you just call the office and let us know once you speak to Larry, call Pam and she'll leave their send-in on her or she won't. Let's add to some of the latest, last one. No goal. And it'll be done in the century of land. By centennial land. By centennial land. Yep. Interesting conversation. Hey, we haven't had a camp where I was in a while. I don't know. It's us sharpen our tools a little bit. Moving on. We have the bids for the ditching work, the town boy ditching that was bid. Where is the ditch? I don't know, there's various... There are so several places to get it out. Most of the wrong camp row that we're ditching. Camp row. Camp housing. Frank Hill, Dardhill, Camp Row. One of them was done, so we're gonna do it a little bit more I think about the camp row. So the low bidder was paying us construction, but she called and said they broke their bid because they needed the air of the stone pricing. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And we also had looked at the equipment, I'd asked AJ and Alan to evaluate the bids and machinery size, et cetera, to figure out what would be, what they thought they should go with anyways, and they had felt that they should go with, not we should go with the two Rogers, even the proportion of both. So that is the recommendation of Alan, AJ, and myself is to accept that we do others. I've got one question on the project location. Number four. Yeah. It says replace with Christian. Are they not doing Dardhill or? They already, it was a question mark because they already did that. They did, and I'm doing that piece, the town did when they borrowed barns, they did that Dardhill section. And so I was like, oh, you replace it with Christian Hill. They were kind of undecided. So there was an issue that Chris had mentioned. I think you have two on Christian Hill, right before that. Oh, there's like that stop sign there when you're coming down, it splits from Christian to Santa. So we're thinking maybe we'd replace it with guns, but when Alan did some of them and they're like, oh, he did that piece, something like that. And then we're gonna talk about that. No, I was just a question because I was just wondering if there's going to be a role for replacing. Yeah, no, that's why I'm replacing. I think we'll have some place in Christian Hill and really want to play in that. Well, I guess you are on camp road because a lot of the things you can do with Breaker, but there's, you know, when you're doing the payment, there's also some more in camp road you can do. So we're getting the base price and you think you're quite adding a little bit because I'm not more sure. What was the total amount that we had seen put aside in the budget for that 20,000? It was 20. So when we make them motion, would you like not to exceed 20,000 or something like that? And as I said, the bottom is approximately 1.23 miles, so we're turning on the big prices more maybe. That's where, you know, labor equipment and materials are provided in the trucking level. So is there a figure somewhere that kind of matches up to that 20,000 to show us based on one point, whatever, one point? Well, the estimate was that 1.7 miles. 1.3. 1.3. So basically we... So you can't just multiply it out and come up with a number, right? No, because some of it's got an in-stone line. It's not that summed up. And there may be some stuff we added. We kind of picked some spot to see what the bits were gonna be and then we knew that's what we said might add them to work. So once we had the price, we'll have a better idea of what we can add. But there's some... I actually like to see them do some more on camp rope, like by Comstock and Britain to unite them to do a little ditching up there, which would be nice to get some ditching up there and maybe even put in a culvert. But we also need to move the culverts under camp rope guard rail, so if that's something else we can do. But so no one can retire from the job. Yeah, okay. So not to exceed what we're doing. We can do it. Probably everywhere the town needs to be ditched somewhere. Yeah, absolutely. But this is the first year of it and we're gonna have a... Well, I got 150 yards and I got a D. Okay. I'll be sure of it. So we're just, hopefully, them getting the money inside and ditching, which hasn't ever been done in the Alameda thing. A lot of it can be done with a grater. Yeah, some of it. You've got time. I mean, the big thing is time. Well, there's a piece, I can't remember the road, but at the end of Christian Hill, and then if you wanna go over to Arnold Road, what's the big, we just did some ditching up there. That came out really good. That was going to last a little bit longer. Oh, oh, was that with the grater? Right. That was a little, I don't know who did that. It looked really good. Oh, it did not look right. So that was really good, too. Well, I can talk about some better. Yeah, but Jason, yeah, you haven't talked about this. We've talked about it. That came out nice, right, right there. I think that, I think, when I talk about that, I think you should get a high try. It's literally coming out, so I think... I knew there was a reason why we wanted to see it. I know. But that came out really good. That came out really nice, so. Yeah, it did. So I would entertain a motion to accept the ditching or annual ditching bid not to exceed $20,000 worth of labor equipment and materials to the WB Rogers. So moved. Second? Okay, all in favor? All right. Okay. And I just have it. That was a quick one. Yeah. It's because we're in the front row. Yeah, as soon as it popped to the cloud, I was like, oh, what did I say? I'll bet in five years on your board or I thought I'd have a look at that. All right. Take a couple months off from the space, you forget. Absolutely. Well, we were sitting over the airport. Yeah. We were sitting over the airport. We just need to rotate with the seasons. And then we had setting the 2020-21 tax rate. It had been in your packets. I just didn't figure out what side of the double-sided sheet it is. So, and then Theresa and I were kicking that around. When we had set the budget on town meeting day, the anticipated municipal tax rate was gonna be $1.052 is what we had estimated in and what the ratio is going to be or entertaining motion to set the municipal tax rate for the 2021 season to 1.0425. So it ended up coming in one penny less than we had in this meeting at the town. Is that a motion? Yeah. Okay. Where is 1.025? Right down at the bottom. The municipal tax rate, if you add a general fund in the local agreement together, it's 1.0425. Oh, I see it. We don't approve the state, they give us the state. All right, thank you. Do we have to say that? Yeah, I'll just say how we do this without having the state's, the state information has nothing to do with this. Well, I mean, it gives us a bottom line so we can see how much overall, you know, you can see, I hate to know if you're on the right of the difference so how much tax rates increase, but the state sets the homestead and the non-presidential tax rate for schools, so we have no say in that. Well, you do have a say because it has a school budget. Well, how they've done that because they haven't got the homestead, they haven't set the rate yet. Well, they set the rate, the state set the rate already, they sent us, this is the tax rate, just got out. The home set, we've got that set amount of money that's got to be paid, but the state gets the tax there, it gets reduced. I mean, the money's there to be paid, but it's just to be dealt with for, you know. Well, I thought because you didn't do the homestead declaration stuff until July 15th, then the state was not gonna be able to do them the calculations. No, they set the tax rate based on the school budget that you passed and what your grant list is that they submitted. How that moves us up is we'll talk about next is how it messes with us putting in a tax bill for people that are paid early. Well, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, it'll be the next one. Okay, yeah. We did pretty good to keep our CLA down to right around 105. So that was a moment. All second. We did, we have a second. Yeah, yeah. We hadn't yet, but now we do. All in favor? All right. All right. I will just note that the town is, when I was three, I was never going to say that our anticipated was a penny higher in the town level. But on the flip side of that, schools was anticipated a penny lower that is now a penny higher, so. That's what I was gonna ask. That's what I'm gonna ask. Watch. Are we excited? So there's no savings. It's an almost penny. It's not any way up. Dang. Dang it. Yeah, so, oh, get ahead of yourself. Thanks for inviting me along. Yeah. Yeah. Cause there was a, there was a growth in the grant list. That was a YSI. And we took a year, well, and we took a year and a half of the spring flood. There was still a lot of money right there. Or more. Yeah. More equipment. Anything else in the year as a factor? I'll give you that. Okay. And then the discussion to move, August 15th, tax date back to September 15th. Because the Homestead Declaration were not due until Wednesday, last time I talked of reversal missing, like 10%, I think, or less. There were missing like 100 people that had to file their Homestead Declaration. So, first of all, we can't get the tax bills out. I have to get them out tomorrow. So that's never going to happen anyways. But we would have to wait. So what would happen is we mail out 100 or so tax bills. So we know aren't right because we haven't filed our Homestead yet. So then you get the Homestead download and then you have to send an adjusted tax file. And this goes on to kinds of respect for it. And so it takes a lot of time and people get very few bills. So because this is what the state allowed you to do because of COVID, this is their fault. If they had every small one, we could have filed our Homestead. That's pretty sweet on time. But because they pushed it, I think it pushes us out. So what I think you can keep September and then you can keep November, February, and May, the same. Don't set a whole schedule. Don't change the rest of the tax year. Just give us people that, instead of paying in August, or in the month. Yeah, you have an extra month and then you gotta pay two months. But I don't think it would just confuse the heck out of people I think if we change the entire schedule. And I didn't talk to the people in office like should we stay with the 15th or should we go with like the 10th of September? They're like, no, stay with the 15th across the board. So just really monkey with the calls. Now still any, well, because we are pushing it a month and we have to pay the school on time. Any money that we may have to borrow, the state is still doing a zero percent. They said that they do. Interest, loan on that, right? They do not know. They're gonna reimburse us for sweet pay. But you've always had a pay to school in full by the end of the day. No, no, I'm just saying that we're being that. We're moving this. We're obviously gonna be paying money that we probably don't have. Right, so you're gonna have, that's why I tend to be having a tax evasion on men. Overall, check them out in the wash. Yeah, they will have to. What I'm not sure is how they expect us to quantify if we have a tax and we've always are a tax participation note because we have to pay the school money collected. So I'm not sure. I'm just all interested there. How about me? Yeah, I know how it works out, but we should be made cold. I would like to. But yeah, so that is the plan, is that if we pass the tax rate, then we wait until the 15th and then as Judy knows it, I'll try to learn slowly. And I think to this, I don't know, but do you know what Judy, what they have decided about the homestead are really going to be able to penalize people for late time after July 15th? I don't know the answer to you. I'm not sure, but I'm thinking. I don't think so. Because they already extended it. I know, which is why I don't know. So I'm thinking they may say, I'll have to look because I'm curious too. Yeah, I think so. I would assume we could, but you know what, it's gonna get us. So anyway, so what we would do is we would put the tax bills out. Obviously they have to be out for at least 30 days prior. So we would put them out probably around August 10th. And that way everybody has time and hopefully we pick up as many decorations as we can. So I would entertain a motion to move the August 15th tax date to September 15th and all these sequential tax dates from there will be as already voted on and coming in here. So we don't change anything else. Second. Okay, we'll get, only second date, all in favor? All right. All right. Participation, borrowing notes. We did, well, what is the state on the Senate diet in town, the tech for current use? We get them throughout the year. And they're one big check? No, we get the homes of the decoration money in one big check. So the homes that decorate money is the money that we give people credit for on their tax bills. That comes in one big month. So that comes in the big chunk in July and then another lease will come later as they file. Current use, that comes much later because there's a whole per parcel thing and it may come in one month or something, but it's a while. And actually there's still a list of the current use files on the state and not our job question about money. Just try to think of a way where you can get some more money and not lose it. Of course. Oh, well the state pays us when the state pays us. When you drop it. So that's on their state. Open the door, open the beer stand. Yeah. When you drop it. When you drop it. For all. I think I just saw $100,670 as paying July 6th for homes that decorations, they are in process but we haven't gotten it down a little yet. So what we'll get more, obviously once people buy it. Anybody have any questions in regards to the tax anticipation though? Pretty good interest, isn't it? I just have to make a motion to accept the resolution first. That's why it's separate. Yes, and I just, I have to write in the date that it is, I meant to pull it out today in the last one because you've done it before. You walk, whenever you're doing this with Juan, you always have to basically adopt I wrote July and July 1st. Truce, this might not be a big deal but on the first page of the resolution, one, two, three, four, five things down. There's just a blank and it says 2019. Yeah, I know, that's what he was talking about. Okay, cool, good. I have said that I wanted to put a motion that was brand to double check it. So that's just referring to the last one. Yes, yeah, I have that on my brain so I have to double check it. I have to double check the date. I knew I had an issue and I was looking for while Dave was asking so I wasn't getting close enough attention. So first I'll need a motion to accept the resolution for the tax anticipation environment. Two, second. Okay, all in favor? All right. Okay, five. And then the second will be to make a motion to accept the tax anticipation of $300,000. And you have to authorize the chair. Oh, yeah. That's why he did the resolution. Yeah, so the resolution is for all of us and then... Yeah. Yeah. That's why we all did it that way. So the motion to accept what was the second one for you? The tax anticipation note itself. And authorize the chair to sign. First, I'll move that. Second. All in favor? All right. And then just thinking a lot of what we grant, we do short term borrowing throughout the budget season. Do we ever, or do we have a handle on what interest we pay in your short term borrowing? So... Yeah, but it's in your budget. We have to, there's a budget line for it, I don't know. How do we find a link to where that's at in the budget line? I don't know. It's down, I think it's down at the very bottom of your budget status reports, where it shows the debt that we pay. So it's out of the short term debt. It down, it says interest, like TAN, anticipation. Okay. So I think it was like... I was trying to look for it earlier. So you have to sign this, and then you pass the call and then you have to sign it. It's pretty, just a little small. That's the nice thing that you can see. Zooming in. Is it right side up, at least? It is now. That's its problem. We need to get upside down. Finger, baby. Finger. Do you ever try this? It doesn't work this way. All right, we've got about 20 more minutes and we're out of here. More. We can look when it gets to literally an eye. All right. All of a sudden, Dave starts moving closer and closer to me. Well, I think I'm going to do the master. Yeah. I wouldn't feel it anyway. Good, I can hit it. That's the crazy thing about cutting a thumb, you have no feeling in it. At least there's time now you don't have to worry about being in the dark in here. It's true. Well, I hope we're on the right side. In the wintertime, even with the lights on, it's kind of dimming. Just get sleepy, baby. Come on, be more. I hope we're not going to be here until it's dark. I don't know, we've got a couple more to talk about. You're going to waste your time. There's no ways to go yet. We want to hand this back. Sure. All right, anything further on the tax anticipation by Arlene or the note itself that we all do? Good. And then we have the state revolving loan fund for the water project, which right now I have only one question. I mean, it's not exactly about this, but it is, we brand out a whole bunch of unseemly names. What's that over $20 million? It's not anything more than $20 million. What's going to do is push us possibly in the next year so that we would have a finished, so that we get to town hall, the college puts right here and then start again. We're going to run out of money? No, it doesn't run out of time. Well, we don't know that yet. We're so excited. Did that budget remember? Well, because they, yeah, I mean, it's so covered because they haven't, the only thing that we've added in there is there has been some storm drain, where to go play tile, so it's just really crumbled. So in a couple of places, what we have done is we have cut, hit on one of them, just laid in the way you see, you know, pipe in, and that's still covered in the, in the business contingency, which obviously we're trying not to go into, but. So do we have, I don't know if that's enough of this. I'm not going to ask this question. So do we have this college, the Italian, given to them as a bellows, there's somebody coming on site, you can see what we're doing. Oh, there's somebody there all the time? Yeah, all the time, the break is there all day, every day. Tim Compton, obviously, he's made maps. You've seen the work he's done before. So yeah, there will be all very clearly as built with photos, and each where the line is a new, a service line going through house, will be, you know, we'll know exactly where it is, and then you take all the measurements. So there's going to be diagrams for every single connection, and a lot of pictures of everything in the road, along with very useful last notes. So the engineering and college of vanilla is going to be our insurance policy with the stuff that's given in the road. Yes, yeah, but that's what you're paying for. That's part of the fee of that that's to oversee the construction. That, I'm certainly going to spend, you know, a call to making some decisions and figuring some stuff out with the stuff, and that's the way it works. I don't know if you're answering to this, but are there GPFs in every joint connection? You know, so if you're going to, so in other words, we are going to guess to make where it is, right? Well, they do it by stations. You know, when they add a lot of the plans, everything is done in stations. So we'll be able to locate things on the map. Okay, but it's not GPF. It is not GPF. We did talk about that, actually. That was something they talked about early on. But prior to me, when they were having those discussions early on, but we will have maps and have everything. Photos so that you know exactly where's the connection and I can see that building. So things are going to be, you know, that way. I'm just saying that because a lot of times GPS is a quicker way to get to some place. I absolutely know it. It's definitely an interesting, you know, we had that conversation, actually, like last week or two and a half. It doesn't matter to me either way. No, I know that. So there's definitely pictures in every area. You can tell last minute how to build, so you should be able to, you know, get to some ledge and you can tell they get it before because the line might go here instead of going here and so on. One of these and then back across you can tell they're trying to miss that piece of ledge. So. In a couple of places, you have to have the broccoli hammer dealt with us. Just for clarity, this, the bond obligation here, this is not taking into account any of the other incentives like lead galvanized. Right. They're handled separately. This is just taking advantage of the zero percent interest for 40 years that they had promises. You have to kind of start with the whole project and then obviously we won't know what our galvanized subsidy is until the end. Right. We also had an opportunity where they had, I don't know how, the state had some leftover money in a fund which had the DWSR app. They had leftover money probably coming to the EPA and so we did submit to them a request. We did, our engineers did, and maybe you could get that money to us. So let's say we get that money or additional money for the lead galvanized. Does that then just drop our promise or like our payment? So it gets factored in after even when we're signing this now? Yeah, so we didn't, all strikers out as one. We only got this portion. 25% and there was another percentage. And basically I'm waiting for our we're going to get our grant from them making this loan document signed. So once you go through the bond bank it goes back to the ESR app and then we'll have more information from there. So I'm hoping in another, I would say two weeks but I'm going to say a month. Just because I'm not sure how good the state's working. We should have some more information about that. But yeah, they're tracking that. That's part of the spreadsheet that they track every no more time they run. 33,800. That number can change. Well yeah, because you have to just like they have to vote on the entire $2.8 million, you have to do the bond for the entire $2.8 million. But we'll do next once we get the loan information from Will also, if we have to, we can get a takeout bond in this occasion though. But right now I sent myself in the DWSR app and they ran versus so we may not have to do that. So on the schedule you'll see that you know, with the bond we had to well with the bond we voted for $2.8 million. You'll see on the payment schedule that you know, the roughly 50% that we were kind of guaranteed it was going to get for new. That's already been shown up on here and I believe that takes that 33,985 bond payment to. So that payment probably will be adjusted based upon anything. But as we get going if we the one-for-one matches or if we qualify for any extra money that's left over then payment will come down. Yep, just crops, yep. Or I don't know, I mean or like we talked about before we probably made the same payment and you could short the term for the term because one thing on that was that we could make additional principal in eight months. But right now we would be set up as though we're paying a whole lot of the amount this is how much payment is going to be. Yeah, and I guess I was thinking about it earlier, more in line with understanding we could pay more but also knowing that we've got some other big big ticket items that we're looking at fighting off soon and so less meaning one love payment makes those a little more viable, you know. So kind of looking at it from that balance. It was kind of the same thing when we get predicted what the water rate increase would be that was also using what So that would potentially Yeah, but it doesn't account for all these extras if we do one for one match and expect extra money then that rate would be adjusted as well. Yeah, based on what we knew we were guaranteed to get. Right, so that could all kind of level up the water. Yeah, about four slots a little bit. So we're waiting for us to motion. So you need to be able to motion to your side of the loan agreement. Yeah, motion to approve the revolving loan fund and the amount of 2.8 million as your percent rate and maturing August 1st 2016 And it includes We'll still be on the board then. Chair Including that. So Alright, and including the C and resolution and certificate. So moved. Second. All in favor. So these are all tabbed. There's one more, just Chris signs with a couple of just a couple of signs but there's a few that you all sign so if they're all tabbed in either. Chris is liable for this. Yeah, it's all Chris is this is Chris is water man. Chris is water man. Great. We'll call this the Jarvis water man. Well come 2016 is probably not when we'll start taking it up again. Yeah. Yelling at the ground. Maybe et cetera et cetera. I think we go. With a sheet here just it just says that's for Pam. That's Pam. I think there's about three spots. Two signers. I'll just double check it. I will. Give it to you. 2016. 2016. Maybe not. No. Don't think too hard. Wait, there's a goal in this world. I'll be living on the ground. I will. That will make me a hundred and thirteen hundred. I'll be just to see my little friend now. We have this choice. It's a request. What do you want to do now? Nathan Columbus had requested to conduct a coin draw on July 25th. Okay with that I would entertain a motion to introduce. So moved. Colbert repair. So last time we had talked about it? Yeah, we entangled in last time. Michael and Bill Crossman there and then the question came up about the rails and then so I talked to, you know, people in the state about it because they don't know. So I talked to one and they said to the Jersey Barriers or and I reached out to Dylan and just asked him because it's his favorite and he said, you know, trees will pick the both sides. So he said that it was already thrilled to just reattach what he has, you know, along the sides. So I was like, perfect. And then I just asked him for a number. He said, all right, fifteen hundred. Two grand max. I was like, all right. I drove to the unanimous but not to exceed. So it is running. I think it's more along the river but there's no guard rail there. But I think while we at that point, you know, there's a lot of places about the way there's no, go down the big slide there's no guard rail. So we're not going to stop on the river just on the railing of this. But yeah, he said he had also like perfect questions last time. I think that was the only question left was what does it have to be railing? I mean it's not now. The other question is how long do you think we're actually obligated to do this? You know what it would brought up? The VLCD recommended it. What they did, yeah. I mean, I lived here for a long time. Yeah. I was always told possible roads were possible roads in your honor. Right. The town would not require to maintain Well, I talked to Gary Slatt and they haven't maintained the pass. I mean, and I believe I grew up that there are a certain asset and obviously if you want the town, you want the tax base to expand and some of that work what's going to happen is on the class 4 roads. What the VLCD says is when you look at the definition of class 1, 2, 3, 4 roads it doesn't say that you don't have to repair bridges and cauldrons. It does say that specifically in trails so the way that VLCD uses their name on a blue bank because it doesn't specifically say for trails you don't have to but it doesn't say that it doesn't say that for class 1, 2, 3, 4 roads. So they believe because this the legislature specifically stated we didn't have to do on trails and we have to do on class 4. And Gary's life told me that he was told by some of the state that he used to come around they checked the roads to see if you're maintaining the ones you're going to pay for. Yes, that guy told them that some of you just worked there basically if it was a small call for anything under what do you say? I want to say 24 inches for anything under X we didn't have to deal with anything over that we did. I like the idea each year to maintain class 4 roads and you know so as well where to be they can drive and you can see people are building like this nice house and crowded road and they're going to ask that we need the tax space to grow so where are they going to go? I think that they're going to ask that of the town or the town road we should maintain. As long as we don't have to maintain them to a class 3 student to say you want to upgrade to class 3 and you would say that sure you can bring it up to A76 standards you may adopt it which you don't have to and that's a fee to get it. Which we've had those requests from before generally we had that a couple years ago folks on the and that was a nice road it was a beautiful road but he didn't need to stop it. Yeah, he was going to upgrade he was going to have to do it was going to be a super good road. Are we going to do this year or next? Where is the money coming from from this year? It's coming out of the I didn't give it to you again I put it in the last budget in the capital highway I showed you projects I put the money in there so As long as it doesn't take away from our maintenance of class 2 and 3 roads Right, it's 13,000 or less I mean it's one of those things if we get it done then Personally I would like to do this and then in addition to take back a trail You want to throw it out? Yep We'll get it done There's some others too that we talked about Mears and a couple others You just want to watch them out there and basically drive away Is this somebody else? Yeah, that's what mom said Is that something that the class 4 committee would look at and make recommendations and then come to the board? What was it? 3-4 years ago Kristen the committee was supposed to get started up again to look at this I mean originally the committee got started up because we went from ancient roads to class 4 roads We had a period of time to adopt class 4 roads because if not they were all gone So that was like 3-4 years ago That was a lot The break was here The break was here Yeah And they haven't met yet because of COVID but I do have a note because I want them to start at our databases and figure out where that class 4 road is that goes from there up that we could give a easement on it and be built on it but it's not called out in the state there's no easement in the state there's no places that we wanted that new thing that Slechport had talked about was having them look at class 4 roads to maintain it that's a lot of road they weren't sure they could get to them all but once COVID was kind of what are you going to do the matter of getting that group back together and so I have it on my list of things to do to reach out to them and see if they can schedule they can schedule meeting to start but actually I think it's the Slechport's review we've thrown up roads before and there's a process to it you have to ornate you have to meet there at the road as momos so there is a process that you could certainly come up with a list I'm not trying to scare from people building on them I think if we throw it up and then it can be a private driveway whoever wants to build that and it's not like you're looking at a road that has 50 houses on it because we've got a couple on Camp Brook that are across floors but there's more than one residence on and they maintain their own road this time they do, yeah it is kind of funny because you have like when I remember Canelo, so Canelo was class 3 I read all the adoption stuff so they made that a class 3 project when you go down below you have Mitchell Bridge and that's not well how could one be one and not the other it was I do, yeah but yeah so I read all I think that the big thing is I don't think realize that people are going to come up and turn around because that's a class 4 road they know they drive through and I think he was telling us on Zoom how many they pull out and jeer with their cars we didn't put a no outlet sign I did have Alan do that because we have the same problem at the end crazy they drive past Robert Franks it's pretty obvious it's just a driver they drive and get to Rochester I think that sounds GPS it's like that commercial years ago where the guy drives into the pond or lake, remember yeah it's very much like that it was down into two residences in Buffalo one was a million dollar hex in Rochester it's funny because I just, at what point do you look up from your computer and realize you're head down with a hooker brush but I couldn't believe how many times that happened there the other day we was going up to my grandson and my great grandson's birthday I knew where I was going but I didn't know the class a little bit and I plugged in the GPS coordinates they on the end of the drive we turned left I don't know that road hasn't had a count on them for 60 years yeah I don't think that road even has a road yeah it's funny yeah it's funny but I think right I think there are a few places that you should look out either trail or floor well that was the first time I was on that one over on Southwest over there there yeah I mean that was like is there even a house I drove out there when my truck I had a hard time getting out there I mean I was like I was the lady in the car I was like get out of here I mean it was crazy so we're right and there's it was us we were actually it was class three and so we did put the grader out there and um but I don't know I think that they're an asset I think that we need to to do something obviously we're not all going to be perfect tomorrow but we need to maintain an asset and we need to from the boys house even four wheelers on that hard time getting up over that there's no reason that we should we should just throw it out I believe if I correct they only land on both sides of the road it should be a problem I think you're right there's several right that we can figure out which ones they are and we should look at and I can pull to feed information or this book in the hall that Jean had about how they were laid out and how many rods when they were dropped and this and that but I think you're right there's a lot of those that reached them I think that we rode in the town of Bethel and it was laid out for a lot to have and if you look at your stone wall let's do it right Well Morrison did have a wall space but they they had to meet two horses I think the only concern that I have on the whole spooner road is just the cost of that I mean I know we talked about more last time about class 4 roads and things like that what we're going to do for one of you but there is enough language class 4 road policy that basically gives it in whatever we want to do we don't have to do anything we want to bring a greater theory then we don't bring it I think if this were just talking about putting one stick of pipe in 20 more inch pipe or something for a thousand dollars it's different right now the only thing to keep going is do we have to do it right now maybe apply for something to try and absorb some of the cost you know we do have sand hill the tattoo we have Christian Hill and the funds that we have all the roads are going to take big paving grants and we may be able to get a better back road I wrote a structures grant I hope they're going to write another structures grant we may be able to for me it's like if you have to triage which I think is where we're at now projects Christian Hill these things we want to leverage grant money for structures grants it's like is there a better use of the money for 13,600 bucks are we going to write a better back road which is our bigger project where we can get more money usually a better back road they're kind of small they might only give you 10,000 usually it's like $2,500 you would probably my guess would be maybe God I think we must I think 4 or 5 times to get it on a classic road so I'll be curious to see how you would pass forward are there any grants of preservation of class 4 or in general not that I'm aware there was originally just some mapping money and I didn't talk to Jeremy we don't need a permit for this that was a question too about we don't need a permit from the state are we putting any rip-off in yeah we're dealing with the rip-off bank then you said you didn't need a permit I also didn't need the river yeah I specifically asked that stone's your man or what he said no and he'd been out before and he would be in the hydroelectric and we would be in the hydroelectric but I said because I have the same thing I don't want to ask I was talking about mine I was talking about mine you've been out there though so I don't know I just wish we were in a position where we could say next year or the year after we're going to replace it we still have the East Bethel Bridge we've got to figure out what we're going to do with that bank that's got to get fixed before winter and that big one over there was getting touched through we've got all these little ones and our luck is if we don't do anything and something happens this winter we knew something was going to happen and they dated another couple years it's hard to know if you don't know someone else they came in they've never heard us talking about it and they said well do you realize that I'm like yeah we've been out there we know what it looks like but you're right there's a bunch of things to do yes he's in Bethel at 35,000 trying to elaborate or something and they have to pay for that I don't want to have to pay that short term to get me out so that I can do another a structures grant if I get watershed then it would give me a couple years and hopefully do that and that's a bigger deal because in order to deal with the spalling that's on the water too we could take the last time I saw it was like 183,000 dollar price tag for the whole bridge so that's a structures grant well that's not the way the East Bethel Bridge is it's only pretty much one way out unless you take the go path which yeah well no it makes it tough on the course we've gotten to do work because you need to shut it down to do a proper fixing because the fire chief said there's no way I'm going to put the fire truck down there so we can't and then it's like okay we leave the fire truck over there because we can't exactly smile up some of the things well there's a small truck yeah so you know but because it will start to fire so throw a puff in the river there so we so yeah it's one of those situations obviously there's a lot of stuff to be done and we could certainly try to get a better backwards grant I don't know when that's going to come about because we don't have any money yet but like I said I wrote one for a few years and it took me a while to get it so last quarter I don't know the state could be tied on money now with this cold thing because they are losing their evidence so they're going to be tied it with a burst ring they put the class grant money on hold this year which now is pretty much it's not coming so they're going to push it to you right now for this year yeah they held everything so that puts us even a little bit of a year behind trying to get our baby grandson he was growling he was growling question now anything so I guess at this point when you look into that I know that's a whole story for next time because I needed to get more numbers before I could you can't pay to see anything well that's what we're saying that's why I said I didn't bring the plan back tonight so we're not estimate for that we're trying to have a structure versus a complicated number so we'll have a better number but no we're not going to stand till we're going to upgrade the water line and the storm drains it just makes it interesting yeah the storm water water and storm water yeah so I guess at this point you know I would need a motion if we want to move forward with the splinter road we'll hold her repair not to exceed $13,600 and because of it it's kind of more of a design build you know that piece would be we would hire a north road excavation to do the work well they also had the vanilla deck well that's what I'm saying it's kind of as long as the money does not come out of the highway equipment no it does it comes out of it the money would come out of the would come out of the the capital road good so move favor all right the other thing, do you have a time table on one of these? now that we've moved it wouldn't you do it? I haven't asked him yet because he's still working on he's still working on it yeah he's doing the theme on it now he has to go back and do some final grading when the state park is done and I think he said he'd be done any further discussion on the splinter road? I mean I just in the end of that discussion and it always seems like whatever we ask whatever we call the fourth road to do some things there's always something that comes up where maybe falls apart but we probably ought to look at certain roads in the town that maybe have very limited functions at this point that maybe could be classified there's a class 3 that probably should be a class 4 some that are 4s that maybe should just be thrown up there might be someone on the opposite end that maybe should be 4s 3s well that's what I was saying tomorrow well the first one is the obstacle we don't make that a class 4 because we're getting paid class 3 money for it right now and we don't plan on that well you can still hit you still get a class 3 money we don't have to get a class 3 but there's a large class 3 but I bet they're not making it it'd be nice to maybe sometime between now what do we have to get through we have the town plan coming we have the crash ordinance to get through but we could probably work on well maybe one moment I could do a sit down maybe next week or some point and sit down and look at the town highway map and then we could break it up into sections and kind of look at a couple places like there's a couple we know right now that's going to be a couple more that we know of there's a whole section from a guy just died there Babe Emma there's two roads just beyond this place there's a fork one comes down on to the road is he on Gilead? Dave Bamba yeah Dave Bamba road one comes down by Doug Marshall and the other one comes down on to what's the name of that road the foot of Rochester mountain that turns off from the right Charlie Wilson Charlie Wilson will ties right in with Dave Bamba's right there isn't it so I think we should start working out of it and um it'll take us a while to get through them all but it's a procedure and you've got to have a meeting with everybody that lives their own land and theirs going to haul or whatever and something not I would say I think there's some people who are just happy we stay out they're maintaining an album it's basically going to their woodlock but instead of bringing out the road by road it would be nice to establish a list and then if we decide to you know whatever we have five roads that we decide at the same time we're going to change classifications well we can take a look at the whole town map and then kind of do a section by section and then it'll take a while to get through but um we can break it down by quadrants like we did with the female work and each year for the next four or five years we could look at one quadrant and see what road maybe they're all fine maybe you have some of those roads that are part class three and part class four so yeah maybe next week we can do that well we'll sit down and we'll take a bath and then I can do a copy of this guy and he's right with the squadron on fours and we'll say we'll look at this section go section by section you're welcome to help I'm busy this week, I've got to work in transportation yeah I'm not busy this week too so that'd be great for the next week we'll figure out a time for that and then we had next up the equipment committee recommendations to purchase one of the two new trucks that we need so we so we had obviously started the equipment committee so the only one that wasn't present was Jeff Gillman and we had basically AJ and they'd gone through some parameters what they wanted and then AJ ended up going and looking at at least three vehicles and taking a look at that and he drove a couple and then trying to figure out what it is what the lead was we obviously knew that we had two gray liners that were going to come out at the same time which we wanted to get away with get away from a stretch so AJ had gone and looked at vehicles and then this one in particular their first recommendation the committee agreed to recommend it's already built it comes with a really good extended warranty to the point that if the truck breaks down and they cannot get it repaired and there's a snow storm within that day they will bring us a loner the other thing is two years of virtual tech service it says it's included after that it's only $110 a year what happens is when they say AJ breaks down it actually sends out a word and it goes to Detroit and they kick it over to them they will go fine to them and they include the road service they fix it, they bring the parts and if that's all the parts are under warranty that's all included for that $110 so we obviously knew this truck had a couple of bells and whistles on it that maybe you wouldn't have gotten respected out there's a huge break in what we can what you can get in the meantime we're actually our next meeting we haven't scheduled yet we're going to move forward with specking out nailing down the spec so that we can go through the process of building our own truck but we have to be we're going to be able to two years out and we have to start the process already because they're saying we don't have trucks they're on back and they would like to see a three or four year gap in between so this truck has got an eight year warranty on it so if we buy this one for this coming season we should get nine or ten years out of it that's what we're saying if we look at this and the next work we're going to buy it's going to replace the next brake liner I'll be looking to nurse that a little bit and push that one I was looking at we're looking at purchasing this one here and then we're looking at trying to go 2022 well it looks like you're only two years it is only two and we might try to get it's really going to depend on what that truck is being at that time and if you look at the middle of the bottom we're going to put the trucks in an eight year rotation the equipment in a 20 year rotation and then I'm still being a trade of a certain amount I was also trying to level off our how much we have to appropriate but yes we only have a couple of years in between if we can stretch it then we will do that a trace of correct me if I'm wrong but I believe we extended the greater up to a 20 26 because we just put money into it there's still a skill that needs to get done the ones he gets through grading we're going to get the seal done too but yeah actually they repair it for cheaper than they estimate it yeah but they also didn't do that seal which they asked about so that's going to have to go back but it was cheaper so this was the great thing about some of the reasons are great about it but one is they know what they're talking about because they have equipment so they're familiar with stuff the other thing is you can do this or you can try and obviously you're going to play with some things the other thing it does is it gives people with expertise in equipment to help you make the decisions to make the recommendations this is a group of people who know not including me I don't have money but they know what they're looking at what they're building and what they're going to get so they're going to be the perfect people to recommend and select for we do when we ask them so we had allocated some money to do additional repairs to the equipment wild blades and all that kind of stuff a while back so the one that we're trading in we've already spent that money to do those upgrades and whatnot if it was on high I mean it wouldn't have been but we're also keeping that probably because it will fit we have two identical trucks so one of them we're keeping and you can see where I put in the equipment we're keeping one of them we're keeping one of them we're keeping they are all new wild blades we're keeping AJ's truck they're rid of Jason's but yeah there's a couple of good wild blades that will obviously that will fit and something else we'll build with the truck we're selling it just looking at the schedule would be nice if we had another freight line or something I mean let's hope it holds together long enough that it would be nice to be able to push that out at least another year if not two because if you push that out let's assume that it's running correctly because you'll see in 2026 right now we're going to be running a pretty large deficit for that one or two year period where if you're able to push that other truck out a year or two you're going to recover almost all that deficit well what we may end up having to do is we may end up having to well the trade will come down so you're still going to spend the same money but what we may be able to do too is we may end up making a down payment on the greater and not buying it outright we just don't know yet so obviously we're trying and that is the goal we'll push it as long as we can unfortunately I think if it had been the truck to do the job originally it wouldn't be in a better shape than you are right now but the one ton we'll do something with the one ton the one ton is sitting right now well we're not doing anything with it until possibly next year we've slated some money next year to see but right now it's kind of nursing along and the equipment community said no I've weighed too much I think if it's used appropriately yeah there was a couple issues there was a general consensus that if we buy a new one there's going to be no wing on it there's going to be a truck with a plow which basically is a single and a half except they haven't heard this phrase then welded twice that's the only issue but there were other issues we'll ask for the standard offer for a scrap truck so we don't have a 15 foot plow on here I was way over leased and plow on the stuff that's wrong so we're certainly you know we're certainly looking at that and I will say that these guys who are given time honestly are certainly frugal and they've actually done some very good suggestions to Alan AJ about where they can get stuff repaired, where they've tried this look at that, do this get a little bit all of that but it's nice because it doesn't put you guys in the weeds it's a group of people that don't make an application so we need an option yeah you need a motion to approve the purchase for it to come out of the capital equipment fund and to authorize myself so move second all in favor the equipment committee has been an excellent idea I mean just so many years it wasn't so much that we had a lot changing faces in town but you bought something like the sidewalk plow and then all of a sudden you buy that I would say there wasn't a lot of thought behind it but there was a lot of pieces of equipment that really did suit our needs it seems like now that having a say from a wide range of different educated individuals how better I'm a firm believer of people using the ones that check them out and make sure it's good so what would we see the purchase or what would we see when we got that I don't know I would call the guy I'd call them to make sure they still had it they had it on the lock didn't they yeah it's on the lock so I'm not sure how long Chris there'll be a parade through town with it please let me drive it so it rides on the back yeah so teacher and I went to the pool house and looked at there were a couple of issues that are there and one is that the pool house that we right now in the office we had a containment the floor got painted this year but that's really not final flooring what needs to go in there is we put in a quarter inch underlayment and some actual flooring because that's not what was put in there they never for some reason I don't know why they never put a final floor in there so I'd like to do that the other problem that we're having is the girl the