 Welcome to the economic sessions. Ibu City, are you there? We will also have Abdul Manan from Sunehtohor village and also Darsono from PTRMU. Well, waiting for the speakers to join in. I just want to give you a brief information about how we run this session. Ibu City who is going to be, who is going to share the markets of local product. This is very much on the economic sense of the local product, how she has been incubating those process and then help the local community to reach the market. And then the following session speaker is Abdul Manan Abdul Manan who is going to speak from his village in Sunehtohor. He's speaking in Bahasa Indonesia but I will be translating for you and give the questions in Bahasa Indonesia but also translate it very briefly to you what my question is all about. So it will be quite tricky for the second speaker but he will offer to us very interesting story of value chains for Sago Palm and Darsono will be sharing with us his experience to develop the value chains in Kattingan village with regard to his work in restoring Pitland surrounded by cultivation or utilization zones that Marcel was talking about. Can we start with Ibu City Hamida from Universitas Lambung Bangkurat in Banjar Baru. She is the head of the Department of Forestry but helping a lot in the forest product development and also connected with the markets both locally and perhaps also nationally. So without further ado, Ibu Hamida, I offer to you. Okay, thank you very much Mr. Daniel. Assalamualaikum, good afternoon for our participant and speaker. First of all, I would like to thank you for committee for inviting me in this webinar. Actually, I will give you a video about Pitland condition and should Calimantan but the time it's very limited. So I will focus on my presentation with PTT. Okay, today I would like to share my idea about market for local products and livelihood of Pitland dependent community and with total development of commercial product based on wetland crops to improve community welfare. In this presentation, I would like to focus on Pitland. I think it will be better if I was allowed to speak in Bahasa Indonesia. I hope Mr. Daniel can help me to translate what I say. I'm sorry about this because my English is not good. Your English is perfect. No worries. Go ahead. I will start with Bahasa Indonesia, Mr. Daniel. The start of our idea, our program at the University of Selambu Mangkurat is based on the fact that at this time the wetland condition in general is considered as a part of the people who are still in the Westland. Is it true? If it is true, what should we do? This is the start of our program at the University. Then we... The University of Selambu Mangkurat is trying to help to improve the understanding about the role of Pitland which is considered as wasteland. How this perception is changed, that's the role of the University to help the community and the society as a whole. On the other hand, we know that the government, through the restoration of the land, has done the operation for restoration of the land where there are three operations, rewetting, repatriation, and revitalization, where the purpose of the end is how to ensure that the wetland ecosystem is still maintained. And on the other hand, it is possible to improve the welfare of the people around it. Because of that, what can be done by us at the University to support the government program is one of the developments of commercial products based on the wait for the wetland. And finally, it is for the welfare of the people around the wetland. Can you stop there? I have to catch your message, don't be too long. Okay, so the University is responding on the government program in trying to help, in trying to implement the Pitland restoration with three activities related to re-vegetation, rewetting, and revitalization of the local economy. So, the University is actively engaged in that program by developing market of local products. The University of Manggurat-Sendiri has the same mission to become a successful university and in the future in the development of the wetland. Because of that, one of the strengths of Laxandakan is the development of commercial products based on rewetting. Where the University of Manggurat-Sendiri has the opportunity to have an impact on innovation, technology, commercialization, management, forest, and wetland which focuses on rewetting in the wetland. Then, the results of this rewetting that is ready to be rewetting to the industry will be covered or covered by other organizations, namely Incubator Business Technology, where the research that has the potential to develop into the industry will be given to the TENAN, the commercial channel. That is the TENAN-TENAN that is related to the University of Mahasiswa, or the alumni, or the TENAN-TENAN, or the start-up that is related to the outside community. Okay. So, in playing that role, the University is also establishing the Incubator Unit to help developing the market so that there is a chance for the producer and the buyers or consumer at this point so that the product is tested in the Incubation Unit and the University play that very role in connecting buyers and producers. Okay. Okay. We start from the statement, as we should have seen from the video that I have shown from above, if we look at it clearly, this is the condition of the pitland in our place, in the southern Kalimantan, especially those that have been degraded, there are only about four types of plants, which are deep, peatland, and peatland, which is in the southern Kalimantan, then peatland, and peatland, then peatland, and peatland, and peatland. From this statement, we from the University of Mahasiswa, we want to try how to make sure that this plant is not replaced by other plants, because the people have started to learn to replace other plants that have more results. If we don't want to, we have to have a business, how to make sure that these plants can be commercial products, or the ones that are left behind, or left behind, to be more productive. Thank you. So the display is very clear and self-explaining, how this remnant or degraded pitland offers something that can be used or enhanced in terms of the market values. A number of species here are useful, and they can be processed, and there are markets for this vegetation in the degraded pitland. That's what the university is trying to promote. Two more minutes, Ibu. Yeah. For the development of the plant, we chose it because it is based on the fact that the environment is very sustainable, very extreme conditions, with high temperatures and so on. Then there is the local heritage, where many people rely on their lives in the presence of these plants. For example, this plant can be used as medicine and food that is, I believe, depends on the high quality, so it can be used for the development of the animal. This is one of the important species that are very well known to improve the iron content of our blood, to improve the health, especially mothers and those who have problems with blood count. For the development of this plant, it needs a very long reset, especially if we want to industrialize it later. At the moment, all the products from the language still rely on small businesses, because of what? Because the material is not prepared by the people, or the quality is not prepared. How do we prepare the standard material before we get it, so that the research in the field we have to do it first. You can see again various products that can be utilized and have markets locally, but the universities have on their role not only to promote this product, but also to make this product to be sustainable in terms of supply, the raw materials, so they are also doing research on how to make this commercialized species in the future. So, domestication is the key here. So, last minute, please. This is one of the research that is only to prepare the human flour, a very long and flexible reset. This is actually my dissertation, and I will be able to collaborate with others for the purpose of preparing the human flour that is standard for the industry. This is Yibu Hamidah kind of work. This is her baby because this is a research of her PhD project. So, for those who are interested to look at how the Kalakai product is being promoted from the top process producing, but also processing and also sustainability of products for the markets. Final word, Yibu, a couple of minutes. Okay, maybe I will just say that to do all the activities, we have already involved the people before the activities, when the activities, or after the activities, so that all the people are involved, we will move forward first. Okay, thank you. Then, maybe one more. These are some of the products that we have produced and that we have taught the people about the products, starting from biscuits, bread, flour, drinks, and so on. The point is to make one product that needs help from us, from the university, because for how this product can go to a bigger industry, it must be done through a reset. So, that's where the university's role is to produce products that are ready to be produced in the industry. Then, maybe I will just say, this is another product, let's go straight to the conclusion, that to develop the market space at this time is still small for the regular products, because it is not yet standardised, it is better than the material, even though the product itself, and so that it is ready to be industrialised, then we need to standardise the material through the results of the reset. Then, the people's involvement must be started from the beginning, then, when the product is commercialised, it will become an industrial product, then we will be able to increase the number of people, still maintain the local cultural heritage, and continue the national and international development, including the SDGs in the world. From us, our team, this is one of the indicators for the results of the damgut restoration, from the economic side, is the number of businesses that are born from products or businesses based on products from the damgut. Then, how many types of plants that can be developed, how many types of products can be developed for health, food, and so on. Then, how many types of plants that are involved in the development of the community are involved in the development of the community. One more indicator, the economic side cannot be removed from other indicators. For example, the development of the community is increasing because of the damgut restoration, is it true, based on the fact that the development of the community is generated from how we can improve the damgut optimally, not from other products or other land that is introduced to the wetlands. One of the indicators is how many types of plants that can be developed or ecotourism based on wetlands can be developed in the wetlands, and so forth. Thank you, Ibu Amida. In her concluding remark, she said that and underlined that the economic indicator is an integral part of restoration of the created pitland. She proposed that these economic values and market values of the product coming out from pitland should be considered and certainly from those who are running this small and medium scale enterprise should be part of the assessment in understanding how successful is restoration. Thank you, Ibu. Thank you very much. Ibu Sidi Hamida from Lambu Mangkurat University. Our next speaker is Abdul Manan. He is speaking from his village. So let me share his screen. I will be asking questions to Pak Manan. Three questions in English for you and in Bahasa Indonesia for him. It's quite a tricky part to do now. But let me try my best. Pak Manan, are you there? Are you there, Pak Manan? Are you there? Good morning. Good morning. Would you like to greet your participants? Here we have I don't know how many of us here in the room. Pak Manan is speaking from Sunget Tohor. He is going to speak about Sagu Palm and I'm going to ask first question to him about the location of Sagu Palm in his village where he is part of the local NGO who is promoting sustainable management of peatland by raising Sagu Palm as part of their local livelihood as well as market and economic activities of the local people. Can you tell us about the Sagu Palm in Sunget Tohor village? Yes. Peace be upon you. My name is Abdul Manan from Sunget Tohor village. I'm from Tebing Tinggi Timur, Kulam Ranti, Riau. Today, I'm going to try to ask you about the Sagu Palm in Sunget Tohor village. The Sagu Palm from Sunget Tohor is Turuntumurun where the Sagu Palm is identical to Gambut in Rawagambut. And this Sagu Palm is very good with the water that is in Gambut. So, we are very anticipating that Gambut is dry. When it is dry, Gambut will be burnt. This Sagu Palm is our economic alternative in Sunget Tohor village. If there is no Sagu Palm, our economy in Sunget Tohor is very slow. Thank you, Mr. So, in Sunget Tohor village, it's one of the island in Riau, Kepuloan, the island of Maranti, Kepuloan Maranti. You can find Sagu Palm, metroxy on SP, many species there, but this is the most common species found in Sunget Tohor. And one of the most important thing about Sagu is that they have to grow in flooded area, flooded landscape. So, it is very important to have the landscape wet. So, if it is drain or dry, they will have problem in terms of growth as well as susceptibility to fire. So, village people in Sunget Tohor is very much concerned about rewetting of land should be wet so that they can run business and rely on their livelihood on Sagu as their main staple food. Please continue, Mr. If there is one or two points about Sagu in Sunget Tohor. This Sagu is very long for initial growth. This Sagu if it is planted, it can be planted until 10 years later. But after 10 years it can be planted every year. And this will be driven by the community in Sunget Tohor. Until 700 tons of land in Sunget Tohor, Sagu Basanya. So, the villagers in Sunget Tohor are very much on the natural Sagu, but they also start cultivating it. They plant it, replenish the degraded land, empty land by planting them. They have to wait for 10 years to produce our festival trees. These are the logs that's been chopped into shorter size like this. One tree can produce then whatever it was for the whole tiger. So, this must be coming from at least 2 or 3 trees of this bunch of Sagu plants. Thank you. After planting this Sagu, it will be brought to the traditional community in Sunget Tohor. It will be approximately 14 kilometers. To process from the Sagu plant to the Sagu party, Sagu Basa. This Sagu will be the Sagu plant that hasn't grown yet. But our community will sell it to the community and will be brought to Malaysia. Thank you. So, this is a process of a kind of value change from the stem to the starch and they process it to flower. Sometimes it's very coarse and still a lot of dirt in there. They try to improve the quality so that it is marketable. They sell it to Malaysia with a certain price process or clean. They will improve the quality. They will have a better price. Another product is Sugu Palm or Sugu from Sagu. Lastly, I would like to ask what hope Mr. Manang and his friends would like to discuss about the outside world. The market needs a better conversation about Sagu to improve the quality of the community. I'm asking about his expectation and his colleagues about improving the market and also quality of Sagu that they are going to produce so that they can earn more than just producing very good quality. Please Mr. Uplak. With this Sagu process which is 700 tons is the Sagu Basa where the Sagu Basa is with a price of 1,750 Sagu. So we from the community with the aim that there is a Sagu drop which is for a higher Sagu increase. So from the Sagu Basa process the Sagu which is clean with a price of less than 4,000 rupiah and from the Sagu which has been cleaned will make the Sagu price less than 8,000 or 7,000 rupiah per kilo. Thank you. Hope Mr. Uplak I hope to the government the local government that this Sagu helps to pay attention with good money where our government now has a job why there is no Sagu in social aid so that it can help Sagu and keep this Sagu as the source of the Sagu in this area. It means if the Sagu is not potentiated so that it becomes a business and this makes the economy of the society go down. So our hope also in the local government how there is a rule in the social aid 30% should use Sagu 70% should use so that it can help our government. Thank you very much. So in the value chain say he is expecting that the value of Sagu their process can be improved the grade the lowest grade is about 1,750 rupiah so about 1,700 1,000 rupiah and sorry 1,500 rupiah that's very low grade but if technology is involved they can improve it to grade A which the price is much much better about 7,000 or 8,000 so he is expecting that kind of technology to be introduced and also in the policy perspective the local community expecting that Sagu can be part of the so called bantuan social scheme pan sos scheme so that Sagu can be used as alternative for rise so that the product can be purchased by the government to face the in time of famine or difficulties of getting food resources. Thank you Mr. Manan very informative very informative information from Sungetohor Thank you very much. Let's move to the next speaker Darsono Hartono who is working with community in the context of his company effort to restore and manage pitland and they also have a kind of spillover activities in the surrounding villages but Darsono time is yours. Good afternoon everybody I hope that we only have 15 minutes left but I'm going to try to be as short as possible and I'm going to start with sharing screen okay just want to make sure that everybody can see so again my name is Darsono Hartono I'm the CEO of the project project developers of the Kattingan Mentaya project just to give you a short overview so Kattingan Mentaya project is the world largest carbon credit project registered today it's located in Central Kalimantan we're being certified by VCS the project itself is in the two river system one is the Kattingan river and the other one is Mentaya river in Central Kalimantan this would be the idea so it's about 157,000 hectares you know we estimate that we have 8 million tons of carbon credit production per year but I guess not to them I'm going to talk more focusing on the supply chain and the productivity so the idea is you know we as a project developers we see that there's opportunity for us to mitigate climate change by basically conserving and restoring pitland second to provide sustainable livelihood and then finally make profit for the company when we mentioned about sustainable livelihood we are looking into a what we call production protection model you know while we know that some of the majority of the area is still in tech pitland we believe that protection should be done but it doesn't mean that we cannot produce so what I'm going to share with you today is to really understand why we as a company can actually help to increase productivity to the communities so one of the value chains that we believe in we have to create alternative sustainable livelihood you know by providing expertise technical assistance for farmers microfinance and access to market I think the caveat is the only thing is we can be productive in a non deforestation way you cannot be productive by deforestation the forest right therefore I think the key is you has to have that environmentally you have that environmental sustainability goods produced and we are happy to share some of the experience that we have ultimately you know as a project developers we can work hand in hand communities and creating a brand as well as a higher productivity and higher income for the communities so I'll give you I think when we look at cutting on that project we have to look at the landscape so when we started this project 13 years ago we really have to understand what are the natural capital provided in the area what are the how are the community and social aspect of it and how we as a private sector can work together with them so outside our peatland actually there lies a lot of coconut plantation that is owned by communities you know traditionally these communities actually just harvest coconut which is cobra or young coconut I remember when I visited my first visit to this area it basically is outside our concession area it belongs to community they came to me and said Padarsono can we do something about this coconut because right now we only produce a very low quality product so I think with that we start thinking what can we do to help them so we know I think we were looking and looking and finally we realized that in a coconut plantation you actually can produce coconut sugar in this case if some of you are familiar Indonesia we are the consumer of ketchup manish and our ketchup manish in this case is 80% of coconut sugar so therefore we start looking into this and see how can we actually help communities and transform and change their productivity by just harvesting cobra as well as coconut sugar into a higher value product so therefore we are providing training to farmers but the problem is it's not easy out of the 15,000 hectares of coconut plantation outside our concession because this is not a tradition this is a typical Japanese tradition not people from Kalimantan so I think this is to to start is to really have to go how can we go about and scaling this up and I think in terms of the you know what we do is we finally created and form a coconut training center where we help the communities and help them to train them because for this to for a tree to harvest coconut sugar on a daily basis you have to climb the tree twice a day and we you know some of these farmers are not climbers so therefore we have this coconut training center and train them how to climb the trees and sap it you know and then in the meantime we also are teaching them how after the sap the production we can actually help them cooking you know basically we make them into from a coconut sap and then paste you know I think this is something that we as a company can work together with them organically we train them we increase their productivity and then we actually help to sell the product themselves so I think you know we as a project developers we have to look at value changes something that we understand what natural capital provided and then you sort of like marriage it to what the market is demanding and how you can work together to create a product so beside coconut sugar you know now we're getting into coconut palm basically we get into coconut oil now virgin oil as well as even things like vanilla as well as you know cashew and coffee so I think the idea is to really understand and teach communities that there is a way to be productive there is a way to create shall we have time for participant to ask questions I want to make sure that basically you know in a value change what we have to understand we look at how community you know produce and we help them to be more productive that's my I think that's a slide that I have my last slide thank you so much for Daniel excellent very good very good ending ladies and gentlemen participant would you like to ask questions we have five extra minutes we have nine minutes I think nine okay eight please we have 45 people in the room so if you can pick one or two questions for Ibu Hamida, Pa Atman Pa Sorry Pa Manan and Pa Darsono that would be great so we have issues related to market issues related to improvement improvement of productivity as well as quality of product and and also certainly the market and value chains production supply chains and also value chains please to ask a question if I may Pa Daniel Marcel go ahead so question to Pa Darsono do you Pa Darsono also see options to bring communities into kind of collaborative frameworks for working on carbon finance where communities also outside of your concession could help restore peatlands and forests and search create carbon credits that perhaps through your company could be marketed Pa Darsono, yes any so thank you Marcel for such a great question so for some of you who are not familiar with Kattingan-Mantai project our area is about 157,000 hectares but in the buffer area we still have about approximately 40 to 50,000 hectares that belongs to communities so on a short answer to your question Marcel, yes we're actually right now in the process of working with communities to basically you know work with them and create a collaborative plan and effort to help them create help them get carbon credit in those area so you know in the form of Hutandesa basically in a community forestry model so we are working on this and hopefully the next two years you will hear something coming out not only about the product of Kattingan-Mantai project in terms of things like the virgin oil as well as coconut sugar but most likely that community will be producing carbon credit with the collaboration with us and this will be something that we want to show to the world that we can work hand in hand with the carbon finance that we have been talking about but of course it's not easy to get certification but with our experience I'm very very confident that we can actually help communities and get that certification for them as well and we will do this not as a private sector that is taking profit but actually we are willing to even subsidize the cost if needed to give full benefit to the communities yeah excellent so with that this year Parasono has been awarded the social innovator of the year by the SWAP congratulations for that Parasono questions or clarification for Manan or Ibu City Hamida please this Puruntikos has not been described a lot but I heard this is very environmentally friendly product so instead of using plastic straw you can use Puruntikos straw which is you know certainly degradable and sustainable product from Pitland especially in south Kalimantan I've seen it in the market very nice yeah right for now Puruntikos has been developed by the community but the market is still small not yet available so we still need to help to improve innovation so that later the market can be available for example we take the initiative from China when making furniture and so on can be innovative you need a social innovator like Padarsono you should collaborate with him and Padarsono you can go across the border work in south Kalimantan instead of east Kalimantan center Kalimantan so this is an opportunity how to improve the product and also providing access to market there's another question from Diana regarding the water level on the coconut plantation the coconut plantation is actually not on Pitland it's on a mineral soil so it's really outside that ecosystem and we have created a local brand right now it's selling so basically all the profit from this product is being passed through the communities as a project developers we even subsidize in the early stage but the good news is now the demands of this product are really really good because we're doing everything organically even though we don't get certification the quality of the product is very good even better from the product they produce in Java especially on the coconut sugar so I think that's another thing that we finally not only that can show communities that this will work we actually give them more comfort as well as confidence that they can do this this is working with the cooperative we're working with the design we really want to work together there is a path of sustainability on a Pitland restoration if we work together and they are no longer loggers yeah thanks I wanted to have a follow-up on that because I wonder if there you can use your experience from the coconut which is not on a Pitland you know to move over to a Pitland product I see a lot of communities sort of cutting the whole indigenous palm down and using it for Sago which is a beautiful product are there other ones that we can look at that don't involve taking the entire palm down because that's so resource intensive are there fruits like in Peru they have this Aguaje fruit which has been very it's very high in vitamin C and they're starting to sort of build you have other Pitland fruits or products that you would see could create a sugar from Sago maybe Darsono has I think we are one thing that we're experiencing now that we're doing is we're actually doing vanilla people don't see vanilla to be growing in Pitland but the good thing about vanilla is you need tree basically you will keep the tree alive and then you're going to so we are testing it on a big scale now and vanilla not only that it has a much higher value in terms of the price the idea is to find a product that is also good for an environment that is not basically it's not a predator in a way that you can work together so I think we are testing all this thing but the idea is to get the key once you have the social capital everything can be done it's a matter of just getting it right and you can do coconut vanilla sugar great, thanks thank you, thank you very much we already have reached the time where we have to go back to our planning room but can I ask one more question, sir? go ahead maybe I want to ask Mr. Mr. Abulmanan they were able to solve the problem how to improve the product here is also the closest university there what is the distance this university is involved in the village Mr. Abulmanan Mr. Abulmanan, you have questions how University of Rio is involved in your village how did you pass Mr. Abulmanan? until now I only have a question about the village but my hope of the University of Rio is to learn about the product of the village where I see in the University of Rio there is no more research about the village for the development of the village near Gambut as a part of Rio I have a question about the University of Rio because there are a few things that need to be reset first the problem of the village is thrown away by the people in this case there is no reset from the academic we as a community can be made organic but we don't have human resources and also from Ampasago can make Batacó but we still can get from the academic we hope we can learn from Ampasago so academicians are doing research but they are also challenged to do more on the development aspect especially from Rio University with the think tank of the region think of those ways that is produced from the processing of Ampasago a lot of things can be done with regard to the waste be it liquid waste as well as the solid waste the local community has have tried but certainly need a lot of support from the academic and practical point of view and certainly market any other comments or questions before we are direct to the main room? Daniel for what I said earlier we are in the University of Angkorat from the B.R.G. program 2017 to develop the waste waste but the problem is we are trying to find a composition that is suitable for the feeling, texture, impact for waste waste is for people who are in diabetes and people who are on a diet for low calorie diet indeed this waste is it does not last long when it is made it quickly thickens so our research is to find a composition how the texture of the roti is still maintained but is it useful to low calorie diet still maintained we have already obtained this is still available academic so in Lampung Mangkorat University in south Kalimantan they have been trying to test the quality of flour from saigo because this is low calorie with low GI index and it is good for those having diabetes and also we are trying to use the product for alternative consumption but the problem is that the storage problem they can be perished quite quickly but technology can help and Lampung Mangkorat University has registered their patient to get this process saigo with high quality perhaps you can also share to colleagues in real university so we will have Baharis who is doing to close this session he is the beauty of BRG but he is from real university maybe this kind of conversation can be conveyed to him so that the impacts of activities in one place can be affecting other places with similar challenges and opportunities. Thank you very much for your additional information.