 are you hello hi did you hear that apparently um there is a battle royale mode uh for hello instrument there's a lego it's like uh there's a lego battle royale man i would be very curious about lego stolls this guy won't get battle royale well what i think how i would do it is i would have it be you don't you don't get like knocked out of the game what you do is if you damage other players they drop studs and the person who has the most studs at the end wins so you attack players they drop some of their studs when they take damage and you can gather them up identify who has more or fewer studs would they be like a little number above that you could do it you could either be shiny yeah you could have some kind of change to the player model you could have approximations above their head um there there could be a few ways that you can do it um what is it what if you just get a set number of studs for killing someone uh so that's just definitely what have you got shiny and shiny and then a beam of light comes above you once you're a first and so everyone knows where first is and that makes it harder to be first what if the first person to select lego uncar plat wins i seem silly i don't like that i think i think the first person select lego droideka wins yes oh that's a good yeah that's a good one uh i feel like there's something inherently wrong with the idea you put forward rags from a design perspective but like i'm trying to figure out what it is it's because if you it's because rags do you see you drop some of your studs yeah not all of them but when you take damage you drop a certain amount of your percentage yeah but i mean perhaps a percentage could be interesting here's the problem if you're fighting people at range what's to stop that person from immediately picking up the studs considering you're far you wouldn't spawn on where you would die presumably you spawn back somewhere else yeah if i thought we you drop studs well you can yeah you can take damage and not die but you can also die taking damage makes you drop some studs if you die you drop a larger percentage of your studs and right like if you well no you never you never get like disqualified and maybe oh maybe every couple minutes at the end of every round the the bottom like person is disqualified that's an idea yeah so we can do that randomly assigned a different character each person someone has the gulf droid and someone has the droid of care and it makes it really unfair oh that could be the special limited time uh wacky crazy random mode it's like the gulag you get thrown into the gulag and you both get randomized droids and you fight like robot wars you get back into the battle royale yeah that's what it's like well does that sound more fun than a halo battle royale that apparently happening i mean it was something you know what i was yeah i was about to say this will bring it back and so from what i from the based on the the rumor it was developed by a different team that has just sort of been working oh so it might get finished wow i think uh i think the that apparently it's yeah it's gonna be like its own sort of it's like halo infinite but that's kind of warzone in the sense that it is it's something of a separate game um yeah i mean i guess it wasn't a surprise right that was gonna happen even though they said it wouldn't um it's interesting how battlefield blamed because battlefield 2042 let's be frank was designed to be a battle royale and then they course corrected just try and make it a battlefield game and then they blamed the low sales on the fact that halo is a game that came out and halo is now trying to do a battle royale mode to get people to come back to it as well oh it's um yeah because i mean i guess well what we're gonna see i guess in like next month when that lone wolves season two comes out is i think that'll give us a really clear indication of whether this game is screwed like in terms of uh getting walls already back uh you are referring to season two lone wolves i know it's it's such a great little oxymoron isn't it are you guys trying to imply that a lone wolf and another lone wolf if they were to meet up they would no longer be lone wolves no they're they're a pack they're categorically not wow what what if they don't collaborate what if they just marry each other what if they like the title they're like not i'm a lone wolf because lone stands for like lodge on or maybe it's like a banking thing electric like we like a like a zootopia thing where you have all the animals in the city and they go to a bank and they get a they they loan wolves money oh lone wolf and lone wolf is close enough i i think maybe you'll notice that feels like a sitcom to me the lone wolves give out loans to people that would be yeah yeah yeah they have instead of attaching wolves so it makes makes people think like oh no are they like to loan sharks but not as maybe mean but they still kind of hunt down those loans that that are the loan sharks but they operate on the land oh land sharks land loan sharks so who would be the error equivalent of loan sharks and wolves i don't know why my mind went to vultures straight away but i don't think it would be vultures but it would probably be like i don't know would it be an albatross for some reason you know that sounds lone albatross doesn't roll off the tongue i think in the same way as lone hawks lone hawks i kind of like lone hawks but i don't know i guess in a sense because it's the implication is it's like predatory so you know if a bird of prey kind of needs to be a bird of prey yeah yeah yeah lone hawks what about what about a lone penguin he'd be the super friendly dude who's like you know what you can't pay this week that's okay that's okay next we've got penguins penguins are predatory animals not in my world no they they predate on fish well yeah sure but but also they are predated they're predated on by seals and shit so you know it's horrifying it is well the lone seals and also a whole bunch of other animals like petrism or oh wait no orcas no orcas don't the orcas eat orcas are at the top of the fucking seal chain they are because eat everything orcas are apex predators yes they are they're that's why in Wonder Woman 84 the chick wishes she could have been an apex predator and then just looning into an orca on the right on the plane just right there so the reason why i was wondering if orcas eat penguins is because i wasn't sure about the range of orcas the range of orcas is everywhere it's everywhere it's every single land except for us our domain the only the only places they aren't in uh the Baltic sea for some reason um parts of the northwest passage parts of the sea above russia which is often frozen and um the and the inland sea is like the black sea i'm not like that you're ironic it's ironic that orcas are not in the black sea wouldn't they be in the black and white sea yeah they would be there yes that would be a more accurate i guess ironic thing but they are largely black it would have been really funny if cheetah got turned into an orca or like a what if she got turned into like a because what what are other unexpected orc like apex orci well let's take a look at a list of apex predators you know you know a human has an effect predator so she could have just stayed the same could have just turned into nothing happens and she's like what the hell they're like it was you it was within you the whole time i i guess the reason why i find there is a secret ingredient the reason why it's so funny is just because like man like like a cheetah it's not at the top of the food chain it just isn't so a giant otter you could turn into a giant otter i think the film would have been better for it very possibly um so do you guys want to stop topic number one or i guess that was topic number one would you like to start i'd love to start topic number two well no we had the lego battle royale then the halo battle royale yeah which apex predators lone wolves yeah well hello we're like we're like 12 in fact halo will come up today for more reasons than just talking about the show maybe actually well actually no well it's it's a thing that we've already come up for reasons besides just talking about show you four well i was gonna say it's not gonna come up for the show necessarily at all but kind of but sort of it's more for a point about writing which you guys have talked about in calls before but i don't think we did on nefap so i got it in here but um yeah our first topic is going to be a comment i saw on my stream about lego and then we're gonna talk about lego because this this comments outrageous okay i can't handle it it's destroyed my entire existence um okay i want i want to i i when i was playing the game okay i was complaining a lot and it upset some people all right because okay some people really like this game and some people like you're doing it the same thing you guys did with the elden ring we're like it's not like doxels what are they for bad which you know what sometimes older games do things better than the newer games right do you feel this way about re4 to re7 and 8 i wonder uh a little bit i do feel this way a certain amount of mechanics and environmental design and combat and just all kinds of stuff you know everything stuff graphics but anyway uh you know i was bringing up some some comparisons i was like oh boy i um i actually i was trying to explain this to uh rags or either today or at some point but i was trying to explain how jango fett's jetpack works and uh in the new game he basically it's a second jump it only takes you forward on a strict path you can't move him and it's about a meter and a half every meter do you jump he just goes huh he just doesn't jump if you jump and then press a he activates the the old jetpack but you can't move him and he finishes the little this is a very small arc and he goes forward so they didn't really want to give him much of a jetpack at all and i was like oh man i like playing as as old jangie in uh in when i play these lego games i like it that's why that's what we always call them we call them old jangie all of all of his friends would call them old jangie and so i was like wow i way preferred it when it was infinite is uh his jetpack and then uh in a different portion of stream i was giving out some criticism and i was saying oh man you know the true jedi uh collectathon notificationy thing like if you had one separated for story and free play or in the case with this game i guess story missions and free play uh that means that when you're playing the story version as opposed to the free play version you you have a reason to try and collect things instead of blast through it and then do it again on free play where things actually matter in terms of being able to unlock everything and collect all this stuff now i said that that was uh something i did before and you know here's where we are so now i direct you to a lot of people saying this in the stream and rags uh if you if you be so kind as to read this comment i saw and i grabbed okay you got it right there yeah i will begin this reading right horrifying let's take a look okay this is takarot takotra the rat king these should not be capitalized by the way there were never infinite jet packs by default they were always temporary and extra could turn them on forever like additionally he occasionally mentions having true jedi in both story mode and free play as separate things just to be clear those didn't exist it was true jedi for each level very well this is an opinion that happens to be held i will now employ the skills of fringy to confine it looks like a bug bringing a demand with your eyeballs to open up a stream and tell me what's happening okay so i'm opening the extras menu do you see anything to do with jet packs in here first of all i've got them all locked anyways it wouldn't matter but do you see anything to do with jet packs well there's uh there's moustache i think you'll find right because i i was asked a question yeah that's true i don't see anything for jet packs no all right and i've got everything off or locked so it wouldn't matter now can the court recognize this is jango fet and he has a jet pack yeah he's got his all right let's see now the court will not be requested to wait for infinity to pass however i believe that i shall use this jet pack until the court is satisfied with the assumption that the once upon a time jet packs were indeed infinite i don't get the impression that he's coming down at any point in time until you release the button that check are you using a controller i am indeed using a controller well just to be maybe you should just set the controller down and put something on your button and then just leave it there for the entirety of the screen you know what i didn't even need to uh hold a button it's actually automatic the only thing is it makes a little noise oh my god he floats forever at default and you believe it what if they're right what if you find out there at the time limit what if that's what you discover it's like oh that's like half an hour or something half an hour well the thing is i can't leave it all stream even if i view it the sound because i got i gotta prove the other thing now all right this is a full investigation for the court and i feel the judges are satisfied on this particular point yes i i'm i'm digging i understand it i gotta show everyone that you're right well to be fair this is going to be relevant when we start criticizing the game i believe they have indeed done these things before so but um all right they float now yes yes they do well they used to not anymore oh um i suppose they they did take it out but i didn't test every character with a potential flight only jangos um yeah my bad anyway it's fair enough i suppose i know i haven't satisfied the court fully but it seems that the job was done to some degree that can at least come close now to boot up by the way were these games or were they not played thoroughly on super chat catch up as of recently i'm i have it i have it on good authority that the only thing you play is simpson's hit and run that's the lie you know it that's not true that's impossible lego star was oh no it's playing the main theme yeah oh there we go okay so so we must we must prove was there ever an iteration of these games in which you could get true jedi for both story mode and free play now if i simply go over here to the episode four levels and hang out in the entrance can i uh can i can i get a confirmation on what is on screen currently anyone can you confirm it looks like yeah we have a new hope but it looks like there's a story meter that's glowing and there's one for free play as well and it looks like they're two separate things i believe i have proven to my point oh my goodness look at it to coach for the rachings in he's in the chat he said he said there is nothing on screen i have very faint memories of playing this because it was on gamecube a long time ago i know like seeing it i know i've played it but i don't remember playing it you know it's just it's kind of one of those games that you know you've played but you can't remember playing it's funny i'm weird sort of i'm not sure i have any of those i i played the fuck out of them as soon as they came out they're like the lego games to me but i'm more than willing to update and i don't have to crotch the old man unfortunately i shall be playing the role of crotch the old man today as we talk about um this new lego game came out and it was weird because uh i was wanting to play it for a while and i kept going delayed and i was like what's going on give me i didn't really look into the production i was just waiting and it comes out and i'm like whoo time stream um hmm how should we what should we do jay just like random complaints and hopefully we cover most things i think i guess we should start on the story that makes because that's how the game expects you to do it right oh well episode one two and three had terrible stories episode four and five had really great stories six was so and so and then when the sequels hit jesus fucking christ what happened guys they redefined pain they wanted to make sure there you go stories stories summarized okay so like we have to kind of set how this works first so the the way it works in this game is that there's an open world for uh or is it 16 planets 19 planets something like that i don't remember a lot of planets a lot of planets get yourself your your big ol youngest world i don't have a visual for this open worlds are like meat mid-sized there's a few like what would you describe them as open worlds they're not hub worlds right they're just like they are levels uh well so i i don't know if you can see this is the gungan city right and it's quite large right you can go in all these places and you'll have like you know 10 quests around and this is like someone's like oh i lost my mop can you get me my mop okay go to check around find them up bring it back to them that's sort of thing um you know and and so uh you've got a series of them and the the story is housed within them in in terms of uh you know when they were making this they were like well if we make the mission we make a mission out of them go into uh the naboo surface and avoid and all those spooky monsters then in that case we'll have to get the player to walk from that surface they drop down to at the beginning of phantom menace to the gungan city to boss nas to the unabongo i think they call it the ship um i can't quite remember but you know you get in that and that's how it activates the mission it's like that it makes it feel as though you're in the world itself moving through unfortunately this create problems okay problems do you mean well an interesting thing to ask it's like you only have five missions per film and to give you an idea with the unabongo one it's like i'm probably exaggerating but it really doesn't feel that way it's like a minute long um and then you time the most of the ones they timed with three minutes long okay we'll go with well calm down slowpoke and so you do that and then it's like now you're in feed you'll walk around feed and follow the directions until you find Padme you kill some droids it's kind of just like the movie but um it's awkwardly obvious that it's the open world vision it's not that wasn't really Padme that was a legopad double that was it was that was a stand in your nightly uhlister um yeah here she is like and i was just like oh hello um and i was thinking of walking around feed uh and then i was just like but that's not my goal my goal is to get Padme out of here because it's not safe got to get to the hangar and so i ended up just like okay and i just we walked to the hangar i think there was some droids to kill near or something and then i just walk up to the ship press a and it's like starting next mission and i was just like this is a bit gank and clunk jango feels like it's a little less controlled but okay and it's like now we're going there's a little cutscene we're in Tatooine now it's like oh i think the second mission actually happens is the pod race one uh oh we are moving quick yeah i was just like huh and you know you when you get to Tatooine you can go and talk to everyone you can go in little shops or rooms solve some puzzles but i was like well but the story is saying i got to go see Watto as Qui-Gon right that's my story mission it's like so and so you know i was more compelled to do that especially with the knowledge that a lot of puzzles can't be solved until i unlock characters so yeah so actually my expression with this is the first time i decided to wander around and try doing a side quest was that i was in feed i i met a i met like a character there and the first thing i did was see three pure who i didn't have so it was like oh i guess i'll come back to these later and i didn't try any of them again um after that i'm fine with that i've always been fine with that in the live games i play through the story mode grab the story true jedi if i need to depending on what game i'm playing i'm guess um and then i and then i do free play mode and in this i was kind of confused i was like what are we what's what are we dealing with here like did i ignore the open world for the most part because they represent like free play in a sense i was like i kind of guess so so i'll happily play yeah i'll happily play through the story but then i kind of killed the game by doing so but even that pod you know it's better i think at this point because again we're not going to be doing a huge enormous breakdown all right but i think one of the best examples is going to be one that jay's been through as well let's play through the course by the way in terms of story i've not done a new hope yet that's all right um where does the attack of the clone shit start like in the story or oh no do you mean do you want me to do want me to recite the uh the beginning of the attack of the clones uh story story missions give me one sec because you're fucking kidding me what are the odds of this i open up all of my vods except the one with attack of the clones in it nice you start you start crossing as um pad me on the landing platform yeah well so yeah you may as well if you want to start describing that and what the problem is while i get a visual for it so you start as pad me um on the landing platform like right at the beginning of the film uh because here's the thing they don't they stick quite closely they they go for pretty strong realism within context for this lego game and they stick quite closely to the actual events of the film and they include most of the events of the film so you start pad me on the landing pad when the ship blows up and her decoy dies and kira nightly is no longer in the film oh damn then you move uh then your first objective is to go to the senate building and talk to chancellor palpatine as happens in the film pad may goes and talks to palpatine and a cutscene plays if you so you walk all the way to the senate and then a cutscene plays with you talk to palpatine and then what happens next in the film i'm to bolster you right let's let's oh wait maybe this isn't a great example i was going to say the walking what it's like there's a better example i have a little bit later the next the next thing that happens is um it's the perfect example is um well i mean not maybe not entirely it's um not representative of all of them but the next section that makes you walk with pad may is obi one and anakin to her i love role plays right yeah so you say we got the cutscene with palpatism and is it in that scene your next right right then your next objective is to up he walked with pad may to her apartment which takes a while and you've got dialogue going on this hallway apparently i'm robling uh just a little here and there um in uh singapore just you know people are going to be joining you fap and they'll have no idea why that's going to be the solution to just stop to singapore yes so you walk to her apartment um and then the first mission happens which takes three minutes and it's just sort of meh um i can just pause you so i just want people to look on screen this is what jay's talking about with the rp walk look at this pain this is maximum speed no why don't why yes gears of war oh man well lots of games right not just gives a walk unfortunately oh yeah i said it was the only one yeah that yeah no i know it's just this is an implication it's what's good it is a war thing where the character for any point not just many games it's only there they need to just be pressing their heads like there's a the earpiece and that will complete the beautiful cinematic wonderment that is these moments just you know what i love is when i just have to walk and listen to characters talk instead of watching a cutscene or just playing a game it can be more forgiving of it if the dialogue is particularly story driven like like really important and so they're trying to do this to be like please concentrate on what the characters are saying this is repeated dialogue from the films in fact some of it is melded together melded together what do you mean by that they'll take like three scenes worth of them talking and um i don't know better to explain this than basically being like um you know he appears on lucifer and anakin like says you brought him here to kill me and then obi one will go only a sith deals in absolutes and then he we would do that that is a bridged um they do it for them but um that is very abridged but yes carry on jay i'm just you know just what happens next all right in padme's apartment you get the first mission which is bounty hunter pursuit um and it's three minutes long when you are chasing you're chasing vessel and her little car a little space car and you just have to shoot it until it falls out of the sky and that's it yep oh cool there's no are there any other cars around that looks like it's just an empty area there are other cars around um they are above us at this point in the in the mission so like what is the gameplay here oh shoot at vessel and you shoot at vessel and you don't drive into stuff it's kind of like the unabonco level you move you move really slowly as well you do move really slowly yeah well that makes sense because you're not trying to catch her this looks really enthralling i died uh more times on this level than like any other i didn't know what was killing me i was getting confused and i was just like all right well yeah i couldn't tell what was damaging me on this level either i think i think looking back at the footage it might be um debris falls off her ship and hits you oh okay but i couldn't i couldn't tell while i was playing um so after that you um you got a mission as obi-wan so after that three minutes you get a mission as obi-wan to go and talk to dexter jester so you um you walk to dexter's diner and then dexter's like oh obi-wan i'd love to talk to you but um i i'm i need help waiting tables um so oh yeah before he'll before he'll accept talking to you before he'll like he will talk to you you have to bring an item of food from every like you know you see them on the counter they're on the stream um you have to talk to each patron in the establishment and ask them what food they want or they'll just tell you you don't have to ask and then you have to go and find that piece of food on the counter and take it to them and you have to do that five times i think this is no kind of like challenge this is literally just like it's hard to call this a challenge it's just like there's no fail state no well yeah because kirby and the shot one has like a little mini game where you are you serve food to all of the waddledees in town but uh there's there's difficulties waddledees nuts oh the reason why there's difficulties is because the the whole game is built around serving them as quickly as possible to make sure that they're happy but also of the items that are available for you to serve to them they don't tell you straight away sometimes it will be a silhouette that comes into focus sometimes it will be a silhouette that pans up from the bottom or uh it yeah like there are little things that you have to try and account for you need to be fast but you need to identify what food they want quickly otherwise you're going to fall behind especially when the dinner the lunch rush happens you know just adding difficulty like just by making it a game really you know like a challenge oh because this isn't any different this isn't any different from the previous objectives we've had which is walk to a place this is again this is just walk to a place on a micro scale where the place is very near and you get very a few objectives very quickly strung together oh i need you to go and get that thing for me i need to go and get that he's still walk to the counter then walk back to the tables it's still just walking strange because it didn't happen in the movie you don't it's totally okay to invent shit i think 100 but uh they don't invent shit yeah they don't invent uh let's you don't remember is that that was an ability to see it was in the collect it was in the the director's cut the george it was in the lucas cut uh those lucas felt that it was really integral to his vision that one obi one arrives at dexter jester steiner um that he he put on an apron and he started serving people um or the diniverse if we compare this to stuff that they added to a little game called star wars logo star was the video game uh which came in 2005 they what they added to attack of the clones was for example on komino where there's a long session where not much exciting happens in terms of like active gameplay for a while what you know it's just a lot of characters talking to each other and walking around how would you adapt that into a game well there they added it so that jango has a load of droids that he sends after you an attack and they attack you so there's like enemies to fight on the level um yeah you know i think we're all in favor of that kind of change being made to a lego game adaptation of star wars it's not like it has to be a super serious super ropy faithful thing right no and uh so it's just it's just worth highlighting it's like oh we have invented a game here and what is it it's the matter of just you know a to b to c to d to e to f to e to g and then you can carry on clearly like this isn't even optional confusion and i think a better way to describe the monotony would be a b a b a b a b a b because saying a b c d e f she kind of makes it sound like it's more complicated um and so what is the challenge here is the challenge that you walk from one place to the other or i'd say the only challenge in this is someone says i want jarwood juice and it's like oh will that be the cup with the green stuff in it or will that be the cup it shows you a picture of it in that case there is no challenge unless you're blind right death i guess well unless the pictures uh don't come into focus clearly and you have a time limit like you know curbie in the forgotten land a game that is like also made for pretty it's pretty accessible but it's still got challenges you know because it's a video game well what's next so after you've done that you have seen talking to dexter and then you uh you have to walk to your ship which is all the way back at the senate building to get to um camino because dexter's like us camino no sorry i'm wrong wow that's skipping over so much because it never happens yeah i yeah i you know that would be that would be nice isn't it if you just go to camino next no then you have to go to um because they haven't happened in the movie next is uh he goes to the the jedi archives to check uh camino like about camino learn about camino i just want to make sure that they're staring at the screen to see how long that takes what jay just said how long it takes so you walk to the jedi temple um and then you go and you you find a thing in the jedi temple and you go to the archives and you open the archives and then yoda talks to you about camino and it's like um he's like oh it's gone from the star charts and you know it's like well go there anyway and it'll probably still be there um and so then by having done that you walk back from the temple to your ship and you go to camino so is the gameplay here that you just go to a place to like talk to someone yeah and then then you go back to you start to get worried you know when you're playing it for this long and you're like man it's gameplay technically well yeah because i have to interface with the game i have to interact with the mechanics like walking and stuff to and talking to people to progress but i'm not really i'm not really doing anything right i'm not i'm not applying any level of skill or knowledge that's uh helping me progress you know how like i know we don't often get into the weeds of just like the basics of games but you know like when you're playing a first person shooter like centering the screen on the thing you need to kill and then pressing the button to do it and making sure that you don't die in the process it's like well you know that's not something that you can sort of just passively do like to so you need to be you need to be doing things to to get to go forward and you can tone that down in terms of difficulty if you're making you can make it so that you know the area of you've maybe you've got like a shotgun type weapon that's also not got like a very particularly limited range so there's a wide angle where your weapon has area of effect and the enemies are particularly challenging and all you have to do is get the enemy vaguely in the center and press the button and they die you know that's you can absolutely find ways to have the core challenge still exist without alleviating the gameplay itself this is in run there's plenty to be critical of but um it's constantly making use of mechanics mechanics the there's a hell of a lot of fail states in that game and even the last levels i think are pretty fucking difficult for the average child to be able to complete um and so you could be like yeah but that's aim for what like 13 plus or something i'd be like um well maybe but like like the core mechanic of how you even move around as like complications to it well you know this game is is so padded with what's like safety and handholding that it's just like to complete the story mode you may as well just watch the movies there's not much point um yeah because what like i i i'm i'm not getting a very clear impression as to what the game is which is very different from like the old lego games where it's like well you explore the level you get your studs you fight the bad guys who are there you explore the level um with whatever characters you have to try and unlock things it's like got a pretty clear loop a lot of it is about exploration and collecting items i'm not getting seems here like you just sort of do things in an abridged version of the film like where a lot of context is missing as you can see with this uh i am now at kamino i've met lamasu you don't go to kamino and now you have to walk slowly if you keep an eye on the sub tiles so dialogue from the films um and i believe there's a piece of dialogue added where he says that he needs to give you a tour of the cloning facility um so then you go on an arpi walk tour of the cloning facility as he says dialogue from the films i thought we moved past this like that we why can't white dude infamous in like 2009 has the thing where like characters will talk to you on the phone but you can like run around at full speed and like still play the game and and fight enemies like why why can't we just why do we why do we have to do this slow walk i thought we got past this i thought i thought we moved past as well this is a fucking kids game like surely if any target demographic that you don't want to force to have like a five minute ten minute dialogue arpi walking section where you just focus on the story is a lego children's game where your target audience probably doesn't have attention span for this kind of thing or care about the story particularly well i mean so maybe this is like a contentious take but i kind of have the perception that walking sections like this are very much cheaper versions of like proper cut scenes because you don't have to do like full animation of everything you just have the characters walk through an environment um instead of having to be like a fully animated cinematic i'm cool with a healthy balance if it means that i get to look at what i want to look at i don't think i could deny that what you're saying is true because i think it just is like i think it takes less work to make these theoretically but there is potential value for sure um yeah like look at this place that you're part of like for instance i i said gears were a little kind of mockingly but at least for instance in gears five right there is a section that begins with you in this long kind of walking talking section where you go through like this town and then at the end of the walkie talkie section it's like combat and things attack oh no how bad and you have to fight your way back through all of what you had walked through earlier and things are changing and now there's enemies and stuff and you could sort of look you could look around oh well look at this place and look at all the things and so that there's like some there's something that can be done i even tried to kill Boba Fett the child just because i was like i was wondering why you were trying to kill a child he's always killed children just it's just like well if you kill him and not his father he can't be an orphan yeah i guess um something that might be worth talking about that's already been mentioned is um games will communicate to you through the way that they're designed expectations uh as to what you can or can't do or what you should be doing um so like for instance if i breath of the wild is such a strong example of that because the opening communicates so clearly you're in this open world you can do whatever you want go wherever you want there are four things you need to do uh actually you don't need to do them you don't need to do them but it's it's recommended that you do before you face the final boss but you don't have to you can do whatever you want like that's it's a clear expectation of people's minds yeah about the way that they're going to engage with the game going forward when you communicate to them oh you can claim things you can cook foods that have different attributes uh like keeping you safe and cold like all of these things communicate to the player an expectation of oh i can go around and do whatever i want i in fact i am encouraged to explore that is what the game kind of wants me to do exactly it's it's it's um this is really important in terms of influencing how people play because here it seems like it puts you into these really big environments but in story mode it tells you exactly where you need to go and you quickly identify very not very specifically as well like the way points are very close to each other you don't go far like you you basically always see one go here now go here now go here now go here now go here right like the sat nav pretty much yeah um what you've said as well as that you will find if you explore in story mode that there is so much that you can't do because yeah i said yeah that you'll just so the first time i was i decided to stop and explore was oh i can't do this yet okay yeah same and then really bother with it again okay but like you know you guys are familiar with the attack of the clones and it's like so them was like you get to uh jango's room cutscene then he runs away and so you finally get gameplay again it's a boss fight with jango um and just over pretty quickly cutscene and then i think that would be mission is that mission two or three fighting him i don't even know anymore but does get a little bit mind-numbing um right well i want things to do so yeah after yeah after after the rp walking on komino i mean it picks up you get you get more of the levels after that it's it's but it's it's actually might be more levels than just rp walking places at that point um but it's i mean then you have the droid factory level which took me fucking ages not because of it being content but because the frame rate was 13 oh yeah well be fair about the rp walking thing right it's like your anakin and uh adme on is it nabu then you have to go to the hangar to travel to tatooine then you have to go to watto get a cutscene travel oh yeah yeah yeah so the tatooine different area of tatooine so yeah yeah so um when the mission is go to um the the the droid factory right you're switching perspectives from obi-wan to anakin and padme so it's an ideal opportunity like that you can start them at any point in their story you like you like right as a developer you have that choice you can say oh right okay we want to make a level that involves anakin and padme uh that a romance level on nabu or whatever the fuck i don't know but like let's say they want a level in that place and you can start them there the first level that they have you play as anakin and padme is the droid factory on geonosis so they start you on nabu and then they're like okay now go to your ship now fly to geonosis now um walk to um now go and walk to weshmi is or now go walk to the tuskens because and find out that she's dead and then walk back to weshmi is and then walk to the droid factory oh sorry yeah you don't go yeah why is it really they could just start you at the droid factory they could because the narrative is split so yeah i just want to go out if anyone this game has been advertised with the amount of time it takes to play the content and like wow so there's 16 hours of story content in this game or whatever um but what i want to bring up the classic i made everyone aware of this one because i just couldn't believe it but uh good ol advantage of the sith gosh don just as bad the whole the prequels are bad as far as i was concerned for uh the lego's approach um somebody said when i said the sequels are bad too someone was like we really expecting it to be good when it's the sequels and i was like yes this is a game yeah i can do whatever it wants yeah um i'm trying to remember how this must even happen when does this happen to me so i think i should have solved my verb what's the issue is that by the way so yeah you do emperor versus yoda fight obviously that's a mission and then uh obi one is on carousel with uh padme's like bodyguard guy i think that's that's your player too everyone's like why when they've done bail organa you're gonna just pull a random guy because you have to make it too i don't know well i guess he bailed nice bail organa was just in the um in the i go to fight oh he was yoda's friend oh okay then yeah maybe that makes more sense uh give yoda a droid i don't know what you really do you have every character a droid uh be another free will of carousel at this point in the story is just like the this random troopers everywhere and it's like they will shoot you because at this point in the narrative you're like evil whatever but it's just so awkward because it's still you can tell that's all they did like this is the opening that's otherwise open will it's like oh yeah put some troopers there make them hostile because well i mean this feels like a crime opportunity to maybe have a stealth mission here where you have to try to fade them by like you know avoiding their sight lines distracting them by throwing uh studs and stuff you know like just some that's not happening now i can only repeat the mechanics i've already built which is people shoot at you but you run all the way over here you go up and you're like padme this is the point in the film where obi-wan is like anakin is evil and she's like nah and uh after the cut scene switch over to her you play as a padme pregnant of course yes yes and uh she's she's with c3 pio i think is her is her friendo in this and i was just like all right and so began my adventure with c3 pio uh i oh yeah i just noticed that that's how you access missions is i think you can do it through a main menu anyway but i was like let us begin our adventure come on past me get through that door excitement to the fridge take pickles and ice cream consume oh you're sick again go to bathroom um this is necessary okay okay so what are we doing now i'm i'm why do you have a gun i'm padme all right it's fair enough peg made pregnant pregnant with your pistol peg made pad my pistol pregnant um don't let us play to appreciate all right so we're talking it for a pregnant chick only 20 feet really between like every time that it's like ah you're on the right path don't you worry yeah it's not like in you know ghosts of shima in the open world they actually did away with a waypoint system and you can press a button and the wind would point you in the direction the wind would blow and the trees would uh would blow in that direction oh that's super cool okay this is where i guess that's how it works in japan here that's right that's right they don't need to just put like oh so so you just walk to they wanted me to walk from your apartment to a ship for some reason okay why wouldn't it mean that you played as obi one doing a stealth mission to try and follow padme you know like those standard tracking missions like in grand theft auto or like la noir where you have to follow someone and not be seen why wouldn't that be like the gameplay assassins create lots of games why why wasn't that what they did so they put me in because those would have mechanics cars in space and then i have to choose mustafar in my galactic menu okay go to mustafar space geez yeah watching this game this this game has less mechanics and a pet boys at 8 p.m you you thought about that one for a while didn't you no just now just now okay it had to it had to it had to be free like all right bus space and this is part of my favorite element of all of this there's a particular part in space i have to fly to to start the mission instead of just at least right yeah some of them are not close uh fuck you frustrated but um i suppose if someone said well the idea is that you don't you know you you're specific in what you're trying to access like yeah but they have this other mechanic when you aim at a planet and it loads up and then says press a to confirm just so you can skip the thing but they just didn't do it for the start mission one so it's just this weird thing but yeah you know i activate that another cutscene almost done with my journey as pregnant Padme so like what do you mean well i well when you mentioned that you started playing as right or when it was mentioned that you started playing as pregnant Padme here i was like oh so in in terms of this the you know the movie your role is to just walk to your death pretty much that's your that's your purpose as playing as pregnant Padme in this game so like there's in Ratchet and Clank a crack in time uh what that game does is you can actually fly around in your ship to go to the planets whereas normally in the old games you would just have uh the list and you fly to those planets but uh in that game you could go to like specific systems that would have a planet or two in them but between those planets uh there'd be like a bunch of like little smaller worlds or outposts or asteroid belts that had levels and stuff that you could go to and fly around on can you do that here where there are like places that you can go to in these star systems to do things like optional challenges and whatnot it's just that's just the planet in each star system so like what's the point why don't you just put like a list and just take me right there why do i have to well i mean there is occasionally stuff to do in space um but not random bullshit that flies away like but there's no other places to go right i mean so sometimes it's like a um the one i played was above geonosis i think i'm not i'm 100 but it was like um a time trial thing where you've got to fly through certain rings oh i obviously like that challenge um a time trial where you have to fly through a ring and then fly through the next ring and then you know until your time before your time runs out oh you've got options for uh you can do the Ratchet and Clank a crack in time thing where you have flat out levels scattered across uh space um you don't have to do that because i'm pretty sure that's the only Ratchet and Clank game that did it but i mean that's just going above and beyond to include more content in the game and have some variety in story mode you can beat up Anakin a c3p because if that was a thing that happened just well so why are you using i i think i think we that cutscene felt really short also uh yeah accidentally knocks me out on your creator which by the way they change a lot in these cutscenes the kind of important narratively it's it's not necessarily a problem or anything but it's just like man some of these things aren't portrayed quite right i think i mentioned to you guys but um obi one almost a couple of times in this final fight is is like anakin please stop you don't have to do this it's like no no no no no no one was coming to kill him obi one's covered here to end his life not to be like Anakin please it's so awkward to be like you can't just change that that'd be like like Atticat accidentally knocks Padme out by grabbing something on the cake and this is like okay that changes a lot though it's just yeah i don't know i don't know how i feel about a lot of them because i'm just like well what's what's the point here you're making your own story because like i guess you can't if you want it's gonna be a meme right but still well it's like some of the changes don't even line up that way it just sounds like someone who didn't really know what happened in this film trying to create bits of dialogue just be like i don't know he says please stop and because anakin's the evil one right so um yeah i was the prequels um it was just foreshadowing kind of at least more like as soon as you get to the anakin obi one fight you have gameplay right i kept getting so fucking annoyed that they interrupted me to tell me you can't continue until the droids jump over a bunch of platforms and press a button i was like no thank you so by the way but at least the button you at least you can press the button at least that works it cancelled your ground pound the start i feel like you must uh must explain yourself that sounds like you're being a sarcasm so you guys you guys you guys have played video games before you know how sometimes you have it um a situational ability right more situational you know most buttons are most most games have like an interact button right where you interact with the thing but so like open a door or whatever right but you know efficiency if there's nothing nearby to interact with often that button will be also tied to another action that you do if there's nothing nearby for you to interact with common game design stuff and that's the case in this game because you know uh efficient and not only that it has to be you you can't separate the the keybindings just to be clear um so uh as uh 3po for example that you've got your 3po's like abilities he can break into like two pieces he can separate his legs and his torso and that can like get him into smaller spaces nice yeah um so you can also interact with panels as 3po and you can like press buttons and stuff and interact with technology because he's destroyed yeah and that's the same button um and you know sometimes playing a video game you go to interact with something and you realize oh you weren't near enough to it so you uh you you did your action by mistake and oh well that's you know mistakes happen so that you then go nearer to the thing and then you um you actually interact with the thing you're trying to interact with i can't actually tell what makes the difference in this game between interacting with the thing and using the ability um i squared myself up exactly on the like there's a little circle that shows where you need to stand to use the panel i was exactly like lined up with that facing the panel i pressed the button and i don't use the ability i split into two um my record is um eight failed attempts at using the panel before you before i actually get to use the panel you know i press the button eight fucking times split in half every time instead of using the panel and every single time the prompt saying press e to use this panel is on the screen i don't know what made the difference for the last one where it actually works uh but by the time it did work i was convinced that actually the game was unfinishable and i was facing a wall where i just couldn't get through i had this trouble here and there but with the clips you've shown me uh you had it a lot more and it looks like i may have gotten lucky or you got unlucky but um yeah it's pretty awkward that they've got the special ability button is the same as use panel button and so any special ability makes it so we can't use panel but that shouldn't be awkward though that shouldn't be awkward because and when a game is designed well when the prompt is on the screen or you're in the the area like you know the original game has this um where as a bounty hunter you can uh throw bombs or you can maybe like press a lever and that's the same button but if you're in the vicinity of the lever you press the lever instead of throwing a bomb um and it works fine is it the difference between pressing and holding it is not the difference between pressing and holding i tested that what a loser i if and if it was it should also say press button to hold button to do this rather than press button to do this um yeah so that kind of summarized the issue with how story mode works i suppose i suppose technically it could be um hold to break apart hold to split apart but i i don't think i was holding it unless it's incredibly sensitive it's like are you helpful point two microseconds you held it um kind of illustrated it with the hack of the clones but i felt this was present in basically all of them because they necessarily have to fuck the pacing depending up where they choose to place their levels and i um when i played force awakens which you can see here i was like trying to guess where they would do the missions and to my surprise they made a mission out of fin rescuing poe i was like whoa if you put one of your five at fin rescuing poe can you can you see what i mean when i'm like i'm picturing the the timeline of the film and you need to put the five dots in an equal spacing apart from each other if you put one right at the beginning with how force awakens works for its um you know it's action packed scenes and stuff and where gaps are i'm like oh you probably should have made that one a cut scene and push the first action scene maybe to the village where kylo attacks maybe make that the first one which by the way i'm pretty sure in the force awakens lego game that that is the first one and you can even make the ending to that then in getting rescued or something um maybe even combo this is the thing i'm trying to make it all longer the thing is they weren't allowed to make these very long um so it's like good go the village you could go with this you could go with uh when fin first arrives or crash lands maybe make a space battle is the first thing but it's like okay fine and this mission was pretty normal i was just like okay so what we do in next um players ray and i think the next one is the um oh they had to make they made me collect scrap 20 pieces of scrap in this big play area it took a while it was some of the most time wasted shit but i did it because you know i'm i've got love of the craft yeah i love the craft and so once you walk around activate enough cut scenes and do all the schnizzles you get into the the spaceship battle sort of fortunately which i was like this one makes sense i suppose it's an opportunity but again the problem is like man we're two down now out of five and you obviously thinking i was thinking ahead i was like they obviously have to make a level out of ray fight and kylo at the end what are the other two gonna be like well if one of them would probably have to be assaulting the base um star killer both of those happen like within the same real time of 10 minutes before the end of the game so we've done two two are gonna be right at the end where's this third one gonna be and i assume takadana that's the thing i think that's probably where you're gonna want to aim for it to be but uh you complete this little mission you go up into space you travel over and then han grabs you as it goes and you get a mission is the raftars one it's like it's not that it doesn't make sense to have a raftars mission you can definitely make an action packed thing out of that but that would mean then we've not got a mission now between the raftars and assaulting star killer base so how are they gonna deal with that okay and we get by the way the raftars mission might be the best mission in the whole game um it is just like an actual lego game level like it the series of rooms some take puzzles some take enemies some of it mixes and matches a lot of it requires different characters to help push each other forward it felt like playing a lego game uh and it's it feels so weird to say right because it's just like why do you care so much you're fucking you're not a baby and it's like i don't know man i play a lot of baby games okay sims is it and run maricott double dash these are all baby games now and and i think they're real good compared to how bad they could be and i would prefer them to not be bad but people who are my age when i played the original lego games who are playing games now they deserve a better class of mechanic all right and um odd race is best level i mean maybe for vehicles but i'm talking about this this sort of this kind of standard lego approach that they did throughout the uh the prequels the originals indiana jones you know the way that when everything was crafted to go through as a level with uh the story characters so they give a nice amount of puzzles that the story characters can solve but then they'll add a whole bunch that only you know jango feck can solve this and it's like but he's not with me right now and it's like come back in free play and you're like oh this one came the closest and it makes me wonder if this was one of the first levels they worked on or something well um i might be getting that impression from force weakens as well because i genuinely am wondering what if all of the levels are packed so tightly at the start of the film because they are originally supposed to be more of them these they had these finished and then they realized how much they were going to have to crunch and cut down content well because i mean it uh we've all i'm pretty sure all of us here have read or at least heard of the report that uh yeah we're gonna talk about okay all right so anyway right you you get out of there with the rafters thing place cutscene if you're escaping then it's cutscene oh no you travel to takodana land as his castle you have to walk to the cantina i think there was a cutscene with snoke to walk into the cantina get your cutscene you have to play as ray and and so just solve one or two sort of free play puzzles that by the way can you see the puzzle on screen right now yeah you have to spin three things and then connect them all up it's like the closest this comes to having something that may be difficult as long as you upgrade it once you can skip them you hold a oh why would you do that i don't know maybe i don't actually know it's so weird that you could use your points that you've gained by playing the game to make it so you don't have to engage with mechanics it's it's very mechanic it's like one of the yeah i don't know like that's one of the most common puzzles in the game you just paid it and of course i used that i was like yeah i guess so ray picks up the lightsaber gets cutscene then you exit back up and you have a battle with fn2199 do you guys remember him he's the guy with the sound electric thing yeah well he's i know he's one of you guys's favorites like don't give me bullshit oh yeah oh yeah yeah but he's not he's no bobo frick but he's he's not a part of a level he's a part of free play a and b sort of movement so it's very odd right because this is the thing i'm coming out of mazes castle and i had a position at this point that i would probably engage with trying to get true jedi um and that means that when that comes up i'll try and grab it so that it can get me more studs so i can get more stud multipliers and i can just it can just help me but if those true jedi's off that means i'm in free play trying to get to another mission and so when they do this shit would they pretend i'm in a mission almost it's like the camera angle it's like oh look there's some cover here there's some troopers what are you gonna do i'm like you can't trick me game i know this is free play this is a lie so i'm just gonna walk right past you or why would i care this isn't the mission as as hannah just yeah i'm just like where's the mission get me the mission and of course um forms this dude which can feel a little cinematic can feel like you're in a mission maybe but look what happens and look what how this game is made and the boss fights at this point they all run the same and i'm starting to wonder if they are just forms of delay because they had so few mechanics to actually delay you with um but first i was like trying to actually hit him because i thought we would be in the standard sort of way they do it with lightsaber foes but no he's just a guy with more health that's that's it and so it's like oh well it's probably better i just shoot at him then and then uh yeah oh no and then we get a cutscene to hear that's basically what happens in the movie yeah so i guess that's nice they're faithful with the gameplay uh yeah cutscene to go up cutscene back down to that planet they're on for resistance oh this shit was pretty entertaining when i landed they had like cutscene dialogue between po and fin look how far away they are from each other when they're just having a casual conversation they're not even looking at each other at the lip sync isn't right it's just like okay there's no attempt to do lip sync in this game well do you understand though it's it's components of overall whole yeah yeah yeah like fin and po are like you know oh man it's so good to see you it's like welcome back it's like i thought you were dead you know all this stuff and they're just standing meters away from each other not looking at each other it's like okay i'm feeling it you know i'm really feeling the warmth here this doesn't feel at all like a very rushed uh thing we're just like i don't know put them there and then it's like well now you got to walk inside the base otherwise you can't activate the cutscene and you get to fucking slow walk behind po too which is wonderful because how else can we pad this out and i knew this was gonna happen when i did the raftar's mission i was like how are they gonna fill time between this and the star killer base mission which is obviously where they'll have the next one and it's just cutscene after cutscene after walking after walking after really small pathetic puzzle that you can pay to avoid this is like what have we become what has happened and activate the ship you land on star killer base you have a smoke cutscene with kylo us getting into the base and then the mission begins and this is pretty funny i'm faced with my mission i get my true jedi and what is my opening fucking bit of gameplay a bunch of barriers spawned with a bunch of people shoot at me cover shooting everybody just what i play and i was like i ain't doing this fuck this where we going and then it said you have to kill 30 troopers to move on oh no 30 what so yeah you just you just shoot just keep on eventually i just upgrade my blaster damage in the little rpg light tree thing which makes things a little faster so that's nice i know i'm starting to see the upgrade tree it's just a way to make everything faster not like oh cool i can do this now it's just like no it just gets me through the same thing no you get to do you don't have to do as much you just sped it up for you um so like i think some people will be like oh come on like you said the raftar's mission was good they can't have missions for the whole game so but i'm just like i don't know man uh i don't i it's because we're going to get into the problems with production but like what this is what it exists as not so i said this on the stream i'm not trying to aim it at people who made this i'm just talking about what this is and it is shit um it was a struggle to get through story mode i did it just yesterday actually i completed uh rise of skywalker it was as embarrassing as the film some stuff they improve oh no um if i can give you an example actually nobody's spoil in chat you all know what i'm talking about somehow how will they return they take certain narrative plot points if you will oh wait actually it could have been when i was just because yeah i did half of tlj and god damn it back there are ways let's well so you know the palpatine somehow return thing they actually have that line in here and it's sort of different part it's kind of confusing but they don't really meme it up oh you know what let's look at this first um i wish to explain to you guys this will come relevant later i just want you to appreciate this first convincing luke in tlj press a to continue let's continue this what happens press a come on you can do it who is that on the left oh that'll be luke yeah what there we go wait that that next to raise with this image that's luke i feel like there's other things to be addressing right now i'm sorry i was just oh my um okay uh nice fucking do it fucking do it milk that cow milk that cow pregnant Padme milk that cow this is this is here yes this is a finely crafted fetish game a bit bit weird uh they put the effort in to make this all happen now let's talk a little about stuff that maybe didn't happen when you play return of the Jedi you get a good old mission to uh to approach Jabba's palace to go in solve some puzzles booked some people to your true Jedi done done second mission just to blow up the barge though you don't actually blow up the barge you just fight boba fat in a boss fight then you fight Jabba in a boss fight we can talk about that in a sec and then um you're done with that one third mission is the speeders we're definitely going to talk about that one but not yet fourth mission then because i was like wait we've only got two left and um this was before i'd clocked on more fully with the five i think i was just busy being annoyed by something else that happened which we're gonna get to uh mission four which i didn't even realize was a mission actually you can see it in the stream i only realized toward the end was uh chewy and wicket in in ewok land the good ol moon of end all and um it's it's you know getting to the the base destroying the shield generator and it's like wait that's four missions now to go to five and that's uh luke the emperor invader and once you complete that there is simply a cut seed of everybody shooting out of the death star as it blows up it's like oh we didn't do that we didn't have the gameplay of blowing up the second death star the literal climax of the trilogy of the original star wars i okay but what we did have was luke milking the cow things you made sure to put the important stuff in i guess kicking and choosing our battles you know like maybe including the original trilogy as a little gameplay thing like that would have been cool like you have the mechanics you have flying sections why would you not have that like an actual difficult little run through the uh death star man i was pretty shocking um the choice there's a lot of choices that you do wonder about in fact uh you you're in prison in tlj you find dj he breaks you out you get a little bit gameplay of trying to solve this like weird thing with with security officers and then you get onto those horse things and then it's a cut scene and then we leave the planet it's like oh i mean i don't like tlj but i would have expected you to do a mission where we're riding those things through a bunch of streets have to jump over barriers avoid gunfire or something you know standard but nope makes sense yeah gonna skip a potter race ask section exactly uh but no no you don't get that um it and you start to sort of instead of wonder like why would you make this choice you just eventually are like man this game was fucking rushed wasn't it you had choices going all over the place and rationales all over the place and they're all just conflicting with each other because you're different levels of speed and ability at different points of production and so now it's just sort of like what you had is what you have um because quite possibly my favorite puzzle in the whole game it just randomly shows up in the middle of tlj um to illustrate how fucking annoying and stupid this all is though by the way you okay when you arrive at uh good ol arc two in the force away this is actually better so the final fight with kyla ran in force awakens i don't really need to go over more detail in terms of how that works mechanically the level is fine i fucking love it reminded me by the way jebeba wedd ray's got the choice to actually end kyla's life and then the world parts so that she doesn't have to make that choice just like okay so um yeah you you you leave and this is level complete which is the last level and so i'm like why am i not looking at credits right now what's happening and it's like you're back on the base like so okay and you walk walk into base plays cutscene of you finding where luke is and you're like yeah okay it's like now you got to walk to your falcon you're like right you get in fly to whatever planet this is space and then you have to go to arc two space to then fly down to arc two and then this part you land and it's like now go speak to luke now just watch where i have to walk when this game could have played a cutscene instead it desired me to do this which i thought for a second that i would just go they did this in the movie she arrives at the planet and then it cuts you know the hero getting to luke because you don't need to watch ray fucking walk extensively but um yeah you just sort of and i couldn't i i i just uh it's still funny to look back on because i did little did i know because i i thought that this would be the worst of it per se um in terms of walking but you've already seen loads of walking you have to do in this but um there's a lot of walking you like uh ray's little run there it looks a bit weird it's very yeah yeah she holds it to the she holds it steady angry lady the uh the points are behind you it's telling you to turn back is it isn't it not quite the oh no they're in front of you now yeah i think it's confused sometimes but here's the curl upward now but i was like oh my god the jedi temple the sacred text let's destroy him but uh it doesn't let you unfortunately disappointing they even have a cutscene for that later where luke like slips and falls when trying to burn the temple then yoda's like oh idiot and burns it himself and it's like okay just a shit there's a film i see well i do you like the humor in this game wallow you're a fan of it well i think when i'm watching it oh you go first i guess i was going to say like that we're almost done we're talking about the main problem i get i guess this is the main problem the empty calories in this game and i feel like we've proven quite a bit of it but then see look i'm finally going up now and then get up and up and up and up and up and up and there's luke we did it sweet oh and it plays a cutscene and then the game's over and it's like why didn't you just do all of that in cutscenes why did you make me do all of that what was the point and you realize like well it took time didn't it great but um then you do fin and rose in the resistance for a while until you eventually go back to ray and luke and like the first mission is following him down to his hut then watch him get into his hut to then break out of his hut and then you follow him all the way back up to the templey place whatever follow him to the the milky people the cow milking people slash facility whatever the fuck he's got set up there a lot of it is done look with the slow walk you're not allowed to walk fast until he walks fast and then you can you go full effect oh yeah oh it's out yeah this is one of the three lessons oh and red light green light why are we running now what what what what what's happening i think he slows down in a second again i was just like no it serves pretty pretty fucking bizarre but yeah we're walking all over octo again and it's like but why you can't just you know yeah but you needed to walk more i wish to highlight to you the best mission so i keep chasing around keep walking all over the fucking place until he finally sends me um to wait a minute is this soon or is it late i want i want it to be shown on screen because it's that much better all right yeah look if you insist on following me why don't you make yourself useful i've lost my milk bottle go and find it what i've lost my milk bottle the pork stole my the little shit what else is he gonna drink his milk out of it's not his milk bottle collect the milk bottle i must walk along arc two again this isn't like a isn't like a speed trial right you don't have to actually catch up with the pork it eventually stops i think or drops the milk bottle just in this little village area right so yes he's dropped it right yeah i was following the thing and then i got confused i was like wait where did it go because the mission's over he's dropped the milk ball i was like oh so now i have to pick up the milk bottle and walk back to luke jack and dexter is an open world game where you have a mission where you have to um chase a little creature around the place uh it's actually quite challenging because it's quite a fast creature and it has a set path that it goes down and um oh there are loads of ways to make you get it by learning his path like this this particular mini game i mean i find jack and dexter to be a really interesting comparison between um with with um for this game because it is open world and it does make you walk everywhere yourself um with with some fast travel you know which would be this this space ships right but other than that you have to um walk everywhere yourself and jack and dexter it's these little portals in each major area there's one in the middle of it um but jack and dexter never has you know the walking slog a lot of things don't because it's a really fucking sloggy thing to do uh but anyway i should hopefully prove quote unquote that that's the state of um the story mode dare i say mostly non gameplay it's mostly traveling and walking which you very bold bold bold bold boldly boldly shared on a tweet jay and you got uh responses in my head i haven't got any pictures or anything but some of them were like oh god forbid we connect like gameplay levels with traveling and um i got i got bored of the discourse so i didn't like it that tweet it doesn't really matter i'm choosing it sort of way to start it up live via the coward you made a comparison with green and red to show gameplay versus travel correct yeah and um what was the ratio would you say well no i i have the numbers for you um in it took in 40 minutes of attack of the clones i had six minutes of gameplay which is staggering uh for a live game as well now you know i didn't i wasn't like i wasn't racing to the objectives or anything but um i also uh you know was i was just playing the game normally pretty much a couple of times i want a couple of one time i was like oh i've gone to the wrong place so i went to the right place instead um one time like uh i i got confused about a mechanic and that delayed me for a couple of minutes uh and i didn't count that as gameplay but you know if i could um just highlight as well see i i did the cut scene where he's like you went straight to the dark and it was just torch on the floor and i was like all right i'll grab that and just uh yeah i would play this in oh i can play this in higher speeds can't i yeah there you go okay so this is my mission i got to go to the the big anus on this island and of course the big anus is located in such a place that requires me to do a lot of walking to get there because every sort of subsequent event on arc two is just on the other side of the fucking island that's just how they do it it's so convenient because it makes it so that there's a lot of walking and a lot of people say in defense of this well why don't you engage in some side quest stuff and it's really just not the dynamic that suits this at all when you have a cut scene that has luke being like good god you went straight to the dark side and raised like that cave that that island cave what's in there what does it do i feel drawn to it and he's like you shouldn't go there and then the game is like end of cut scene go to the cave and you're like okay but i want to now do side missions like i guess you could but what about the people want to do story mode yeah and on the occasions that you think to do side missions sometimes i'll be like no come back later yeah sometimes i just walk is that's the case and why would we ever bother why wouldn't you just do it straight away i feel i need to go very much so that this game encourages you to run through story mode you unlock all the planets as a result you unlock a whole bunch of characters and the it seemed built purpose built i would say to be you run through story then you run again with free play able to have all access to everything run around and it's a bit more fun while story mode is more restricted but it has more of a purpose a narrative as they say so brings us to um what i thought yeah it was like the the best puzzle in the whole game and it happens to be when ray is uh doing a weird mind meld thing in the bottom of the cave and i didn't i had no idea what the fuck was happening you can see here this is what you get when you go down there you've got like two reflections there's two other rays but they're in different areas and they require different things to do in order to complete their puzzles you control all three at the same time and so you have to move them in the correct order first and then some can involve jumping some can involve uh just moving up down life right in the right directions you have to walk into walls while they don't in order to push them further than you would go i'm controlling two of them right now and they got to do like different puzzles each but using me as the controller in the main room until i unlock the portal i did have you ever played the swapper i was gonna say i'm pretty sure there's a game that does this uh in disney but that's it it's done i was like oh okay that was a neat little section though it's possibly the best puzzle in the whole game but that's not it's not ranking very high on the puzzle scale but it's probably outranking every other puzzle i've played and i played a couple of ones that you said were pretty good so i think that i had a decent selection to choose from but that one was the most my brain ever activated it went whoa oh then back to sleep i mean i think i'd say that's probably a step up from pretty much any puzzle in the original game to be fair because the original game doesn't have that complex puzzles in it or anything the full thing is the wait luke is a boss fight yes this was very fucking sad to me i have to fight luke as ray and defeat him oh no i want abby to lose though exactly it's the same shit and i was just like why um yeah uh so story mode is mostly padding um now if i that was easy that took like yeah it's all really really really easy and we could go over that quickly soon as well but i just want to go over quickly a lot of people were annoyed at me because they were like why are you not putting on mumble mode why are you leaving the voice acting on so my logic for this is they put a lot of work in theoretically for the voice acting and they've made it a conscious choice to make a default this is how the game runs i wanted to experience it as they've intended and the other reason that i guess i just didn't articulate very well that mumble mode the the cutscenes are created with dialogue and as far as i know they play the same cutscene subtitles it except instead of hearing you know i don't know what to do you'll hear wobble it's like so it's um i could put on mumble mode i don't see why i would instead i'll try and appreciate what uh they they're going to try to do yeah because i don't want to outright say if they aren't built if they aren't built from the ground up with mumble mode in mind then you just feel like you're that you're missing stuff because they should be saying actual words they're not yeah and it's like what what did they do with this new system compared to the old and um i would argue like 75 to 80 of the dialogue is unchanged from the movie in these cutscenes and so a lot of it isn't jokes it's just uh you know anakin we we need to take care of the senator but i want to find her killer anakin we will do as we've been instructed mission take a Padme to her apartment like okay that's yeah that was all logistically like necessary i supposed to justify the mission but um little element that uh the j talked about in new lego video created uh about charm this game yeah feels much more rigid and the dialogue does not help because it's mainly just a recreation with blended cutscenes there's very few jokes and even fewer jokes are made with the dialogue the dialogue is just mostly the stuff you've heard before and oftentimes delivered worse like a lot of people in stream we're just like jesus christ like that sounded so much worse than the movie version even for the sequels because i think that the most heinous which i know jane rags would have heard it i don't i don't know if springy has but um quaggon jinn's voice actor um the rest of them you get a range of like i can hear you're impersonating the voice that's not very good and then some of them you're like okay that's pretty close the obi one one it was pretty good jaja one was fine with me and so you get like the the me so jar jar you know that sort of shit and then everyone is like hello there like like and you're just like yeah yeah this is all good enough for me obi sorry quaggon like oh we must go down right out of the gate right out of the gate they hit you it's a bad one i've heard that voice in commercials before i don't know i can't remember for what but i have heard his voice in commercials before apparently uh the guy who's voicing him is like a big clone was voice actor and i think they kind of went with like a lot of clone was actors for this that's what i'm understanding a lot of people telling me that they they brought them in to do this all um and i'm starting to wonder it's like just apply the sort of restriction crunch shit to all of this they probably brought them in because they're all reliable to do star wars voices and just threw the rules at them and we're like just do the lines to fucking record them record the lines they probably didn't even know the context for these lines um and you you might say like well how would they not it's star wars and it's like i mean the guy who's voicing quaggon jinn clearly had no fucking clue who quaggon jinn was he doesn't even bother trying to impersonate any inflections from quaggon's dialogue at all which is a choice you can make um but uh it's just this funny moment where i'm running through gungan city and i think like you know jaja was like we we still gotta go this away and it's like yep nobby one is like is there anything that doesn't excite you and it's like and then quaggon is like come on then this way i was like who the what the fuck i was like who who's who's a part of my team that i did it i was like oh it's quaggon but yeah he's just he's just sound a little weird um so you have voice actors that are distracting i don't know if any of you guys have heard kylo's voice actor uh yes holy shit oh yeah that was funny where you'll have um you know let the past let the past die it'll be let the past die it's like what it sounds like you and your impression of him he's so nasally though he's they like try to make him like a nude uh he sounds okay with the the the filter the mask filter but when he's yeah without it makes it better yeah you must join me rey you're like oh this sounds this sounds real off um yeah so in conclusion uh i don't know why they bothered um they didn't really achieve much of anything the mumbly cut scenes with visual humor throughout all the older games it's just it's what everyone says it's way more creative and way more interesting and way more charming this i'm gonna say i did i did find a lot of this funny though i don't know i i haven't been finding a lot of i think i a particular example is that i'll twice are you true um i've been finding the the one that i guess it's just because the one i most recently played through right no more because it's any particularly standout but i i i laughed when i was like approaching anakin as obi won ready to kill him and before he starts fighting you he just does some like weird sexy dancing yeah like the shoulders just like wiggling him that's was one thing i pointed out early in the stream it was weird i was gonna say that was weird to me what is this yeah like it's funny well do you think that the impression that i get is that they really throw everything at the wall with like every single cutscene and everything like they would just throw everything that they can do that's like zany and wacky so like if it's not all landing it's like that is a lot of it the other one the one that actually though the one that stucks out in my mind is um is with uh dooku um i think you guys will probably think this one was funny was when dooku was my favorite death by the way if you can see on screen i just saw playing again that was so epic just uh all right for this oh there goes obi won anyway uh yeah carry on so um when it's it's an uh revenge of the sith when um you remember in revenge of the sith when dooku does his little forward flip when he's going to fight anakin and obi won yes yes it just exudes christopher sorry christopher lee energy um in this they have it so that he um instead of just flipping he starts by doing like a pirouette on the banister on the balcony rail um and then there's like a little drum roll and then he does the flip and then there's a little bit of applause and he bows oh that's funny that's fine that's the kind of stuff i'd like to see more so i guess just um adding a layer i found because it's riffing off the actual events of the film rather than just doing something random and zany right it's yeah he does a flip here let's let's make it sort of as a person who knows the films as well as people who don't i think yeah so i uh i watched one of the cut scenes where it was um order 66 like he says 67 and they do a dance and it's like oh wait no 66 and then they kill like the jedi it just feels like this weird tunnel yeah problems with that throughout jokes everywhere we have to have i don't know if there's an instance in this entire game where they don't undercut with a joke and you might be like well yeah but they're trying to be lighthearted and it's like i don't know man some of this stuff like it just comes across as it just clunks your game because you're like trying to portray someone being murdered and then they like go you're like okay i'm not sure how to feel as an audience member right now like they do jokes don't they do jokes in the death scenes in the original i don't know the try to think of any well so i don't know that they always ruin the any tension that they were drawing from it i thought that there were times where the characters in the original like felt intensive or or or sort of uh reverent uh here and there it might be um that they ruin it all as well as that one but i just don't remember that happening anywhere near as often i'm remembering um the one that was in my mind right now is when you have um luke just after vader dies he goes into the um the shuttlecraft to leave the death star and he closes the door and vader is still on the door and he just like slides into the ship yeah there's there's definitely going to be times where they did about i don't know this this game um it felt like it was not nailing the balance very well if if such a thing is possible can i can i i don't know if you could pull it up because i think this will be difficult for me to describe at the beginning the very beginning of episode two before you even get to do the gameplay you have padme ship coming into coruscant can you can you pull that up or is that going to be a bit of trouble well so if that's funny enough the joke i was going to go with um but there's a setup for that joke assuming you're talking about the same one as me if you're not i'll just do the setup anyway yeah if we're both going to talk about it i mean because the setups in phantom and it's as far as i'm concerned anyway but basically like when you are trying to get peace with boss nas and they do the the thing from the movie where he's like boss nas we want to do blah blah blah and then she's like i am actually padme the the real one and then kira nightly is like oh shit okay i guess we're revealing that now in the this game a whole bunch of people start saying i am padme um almost like i am spartakus type of situation i'm trying to fucking find the cutscene yeah here it is um and it ends with an old man bearded man saying i am padme it's like okay i was like amused just by this this is sort of just absurdist bit of weird things that happened um does that inform what you're trying to reference at all rags oh mines before that oh well i'll do this quickly thanks i just did the setup but you i'll get yours ready as well but basically at the beginning of attack of the clones padme arrives and a ship gets blowed up um it was the most i felt in this game um uh i wouldn't want to say what the reveal is but yeah so you got the explosion happens really really sad there are deaths padme runs up to see the uh the decoy and it's the old dude that's kind of funny that he was the one who died for it on the opening you know just a nice little bit of continuity okay i felt bad for him i didn't understand who he was or why he was in the game i think it's just random uh i i don't know that's part of what's funny to be is i don't understand it from a young you know lady you know i guess they're just so making him bold and bearded and to type that's the absurdity of it that makes it funny but i didn't realize that he was supposed to be the decoy like i just didn't know who he was because it's the same it's the scene in attack of the clones it's like one to one except instead of being an actual decoy it's just this old dude who's like uh anyway well uh what what were you talking about right so one that i would like to point as an example was it had me in the first half and then they don't have a sense of comedic timing and so it kind of ruined it but we're talking the cutscene but as the plane is a or as the ship padme ship is about to enter the planet okay that's where mine is yeah yeah this here so let this play so that people can kind of see it and then you'll know what i'm referring to yeah i'm not a hundred percent sure but i don't want to skip any more forward in case i jump over it is it inside the ship yes okay well let's let it play i'm sure it comes in right here that it's so nice and subtle and then they keep thin this part right then they keep going with it i like the idea that the ships does that spin that it does and then we cut inside and everyone's just sort of like a little off balance because it did that weird spin and then they get back to business as normal but they keep they keep it going recovers his mouth and then the other guy gets a bucket and is like oh you were so close to a nice subtle joke that i really appreciated it's kind of interesting how's it going i wonder if the nature there as well with it working is kind of like jay was highlighting with the uh the perlet um but it's that spin is what happens in the movie and so you play and then yeah and then in the game yeah they're like oh we actually did spin and everyone's still catching their balance from that totally unnecessary spin that we did for no reason you know i really i really liked it you know i really like that kind of thing you know if it would just if they would have just stuck to it instead of really kind of going too far with it um but i think the other thing that just made me smile it was the do it alarm clock there was something that was just that was just this was like i i just i i laughed oh i didn't laugh i think i smiled um which is the most this game has ever gotten at well and yeah so to make it clear some people might be like so it's not all bad then i'm like no no no we're dealing with a shit ton of time and the time that's spent smirking is like two percent it's ridiculous i mean yeah i've never laughed watching this stuff from moller i'm not done yet but it's still only only smiles twice if this is your if this is your um the the thing you want from the game go and watch the comedy like for real i'll go watch adventure time or something you'll it'll be a way more fulfilling experience because it's you know i'd say tonally some of the jokes are pretty similar but any of moller i've meaning to ask you by the way since the title crawl was on screen it reminded you reminded me even i'm the person who has to remember um yes can you skip the title crawls i don't know i never because i decided to just read them out i don't think i tried to uh yeah j moller's an entertainer yeah but um i don't know i don't skip idle crawls he doesn't skip title crawls people are saying no haunt oh great i think the way they originally did it was you couldn't skip it until you seen it once wasn't how that did it or um i haven't gone back to the um complete saga very recently um you can just skip them whenever you like ah ah we'll see they knew how to do it back then they they didn't know how to do it back drink y'all keep talking um so difficulty we should talk about that briefly i guess then is it or or or something because a lot of this is going to be focused on around how easy everything is but i would rather refocus the conversation to be like how uh great forward and then non-existent everything is actually um because you someone in chat said as well like should i be buying this like i need to know because of my cousin's birthday i was like i think kids will still like this right right i mean my biggest worry would be that kids would find it boring which is all the walking everywhere maybe they'll be entertained enough by the fact they're in a lego world potentially that might i don't i don't know i don't really know the the problem i suppose well the the answer i suppose is the if you watched and you can still watch on my streams on the game you should be able to sort of judge if this is the kind of thing that person may enjoy i'd imagine um i'm pretty damn unimpressed and i wouldn't recommend anyone play this really i would be like go play the uh the complete saga before this thing is good um and from what i hear there aren't really like bad lego games this is like the first one that i'm seeing everybody at least in my stream were willing to say is unfinished broken buggy and uh empty the other ones seem to get it you know at least a decent uh funnily enough a lot of people were saying the best ones the ones i haven't even played so which ones would that be a lot of people saying lego the clone wars apparently is really really really good i feel good things about that i'd be curious in trying it yeah um i don't know i didn't play lego batman 2 lead one i like one but uh i hope that it's like um the complete saga and lego stars one and two but more um depth to the mechanics which i mean yeah that would be great is that i want chance to confirm was another three oh yes lego city undercover apparently like the the actual lego lego game yeah yeah that one's good as well um which actually i don't know it just feels about right now it's a sort of segue into talking about at least for a little bit the uh got a summary here's from thunder in the discord there was there wasn't an article but i just don't think we're going to be able to get through the whole thing so instead we'll read a summary of the article to get a little bit of information here we go uh untrusted engine completely new execs refuse to use unreal engine for this game to avoid licensing costs must have been frustrating because they will use uh unreal engine for future games from now on mismanagement changes in management happened at least 40 people have left travelers tales studios since the start of 2021 game directors didn't seem to have a clear vision on the game director couldn't seem to decide on what mechanics to go for would change their minds about the mechanics at times devs were told to strive for 85 reference to getting at least an 85 on metacritic with crunch 80 to 100 by our work weeks were not uncommon they like to emphasize a lot on crunch that happened during development i was more interested in the go ons beside that that's not to say that crunch wasn't an issue here development sounded like a horrible experience at the time um the engine stuff though is the really interesting part because that means that they had to rebuild lego and so it would have been arduous enough to sort of get all the stuff you're familiar with from the previous lego games let alone having new stuff and it looks as if like this sounds pretty harsh almost but from what i've played the game i might go as far as saying it's like you're almost halfway to completion and you be like what i'd be like well all of you we're still missing a lot of features a lot of the campaign are pretty empty and we're in we're in dire need of lots of stuff um and it seems like you know it seems like you've maybe got well i guess that's probably worth the while bringing up then what are the bugs um because maybe someone who hasn't got any clue what we're talking about what it's a bit of a bit of a listing of some sort so uh easy one to go over first is the game uh crashes in fact um i don't know how many times crash for uj but it's crash for me like six times crash me once um over the course of uh about six hours really unfortunate um the last crash made me give up i didn't didn't want to play it anymore especially if the game's not gonna allow me to um so we got that we've got um apparently a well-known bug but hopefully they're gonna fix i should stop boot up now everyone's referencing it so i feel like it's time that's speed i think i even know this one good old speed a level i referenced from um you guys remember that original trilogy don't you no no i do i'm gonna say rags does rags is cool i do absolutely i do i'm very cool i'm since it loaded up here i'm gonna have to do this first okay put it put a pin in the speed for a second i arrived all right in bespin i get with all of my people were escaping as chewy lando layered you know and it's like we get to the falcon it's like chewy's gotta repair the falcon you're like oh really all right then and then it shows you this whole landscape of fucking barriers for doing chest high walls covered shooting it's it's bad enough to do this shit at all really in this day and age i'm so tired of it as a as a thing that was ever relied upon but there are ways i feel like a lot of games try to do this and it is a very i don't know what it is specifically that makes a final defense against an overwhelming force seem really tense and exciting um but yeah it's it's a danger playing a dangerous game you're playing a dangerous game well while we're talking about that i'll just let this play so people can appreciate the incredible gameplay this by the way is the majority of the bespin levels time being sank into this portion um and you can imagine you see yourselves right now in chat you're thinking how did they develop this this is genius so what you need to do is basically lock us all into a particular restricted area as you can tell by the way i'm walking into invisible walls i can't go any further than that um so it keeps pushing me back so yeah what you then do once you've locked us in is you put a spawn point behind the little corner there so we can't see them appearing and then you have a little door open and closed based on when they get close to it and make them hostile to the player and um yeah with those simple tricks you can create the bespin level wow nice pretty cool i think um i was there's no like chasing down hallways as there's a little bit of that at the beginning of this level but you get out here not it doesn't take very long to get out here and remember this is all like a level that's designed for you to run around in in free play and now it's like we need a story mode it's like uh give them this corridor and then lock them in this area so they can just do a bit of a horde mode thing and then tell them they got a cutscene and they did it the bespin level you know like they didn't give a fuck or at least they didn't have the time to give a fuck but uh yes you can be rewarded with such incredible can't tell if more has been sarcastic or not you can't tell you can't tell yes yes look at the screen what do you mean rags i got a hundred how long section go on for holy shit well so this is me pausing to rant to the audience because i'm upset i'm having to do this um yeah i got a i got a combo score of 156 there because the game is so impressed with my ability to shoot stormtroopers i guess um but hey it does change up look he is boba fat and then leah says i really don't like that bounty hunter and it respawns me all the way over here so now i can't choke bold neck the they have to think of a pour out into the cover that makes the gameplay so much better but uh yeah you just have to point and shoot a boba and he'll die eventually too that's been level bad okay that's been level very bad um anyway it seems so uninspired because in my head i'm already thinking of all the cool different things you could do that's built into how the like the best been seen should be an escape mission because you know film and it's and it's tense because you're trying to it's not about fighting stormtroopers it's about getting out it's an escape level and you're you have to you're you're constantly getting shot out from behind and you have to turn corners and they're coming and they're coming and coming for you and that's where the excitement comes in is just trying to get away but this just doesn't seem i'd even take what they did in the original you know just a series of rooms with puzzles and enemies in them then you escape um but here they did this and it was a nightmare uh so fast forwarding a little um getting us over to return of the jedi first of all this just bolsters the whole thing about the fucking difference between free play and story mode you do the javas palace thing and all your characters get captured and put on the barge and then this weird thing happens where the cutscene plays and lando and r2d2 are just outside javas palace while everyone else is on the barge and i was like wait what wait a second narratively you guys we're on there what are you doing they're like we got to get on there is max rebo on there that's what i wanted i think he is um oh i was just like what the fuck's going on and this is the game's attempt to square away your ability to just jump into free play open world whenever you want between levels because it didn't know how to do that it was like how do we have them all on the barge but also able to just run around tatooine it's like well i guess that there's got to be ways to do that right you get to make it two characters that didn't go on the barge you could even have it be two piggy gods or whatever i guess i don't know just just whoever it's called the morian show some respect they fell after after their performance in book of boba fat i don't think hey they fell off a cliff for boba they died so that boba fat could live or something to show again how rushed this is it's like you go down this little hill that you like okay here i guess there's lando at r2 and then you just press a on the uh little notification area and onto the barge you go it's like what what's happening like why why did you build it this way it's like well because again just they run out of time so shut up um one of the freezes i had by the way was i was fighting jaba um i'm gonna try and find it so it amused me i like i literally take his health right down to like the victory the gut scene plays come on am i getting this unlucky oh this will be it just just watch the moment this happens oh okay so i was like wait so do i pass is like no you have to do the whole fight again this fight is bizarre first of all why am i fucking boss fighter java the hut when the game is so limited on content as it is it's like i don't understand throwing this in if your game was filled with stuff this is a bit weird um okay i guess we're doing this the way to beat java is to beat up salacious crumb until he gets so fucking freaked out that he jumps on java's face and java's too distracted to defend himself so that you can hit java very strange i don't know why they decided on this also my chain is layer got like tangled in the ceiling at one point it was uh quite funny but i'm only explaining this to push us all the way over oh god i had to run around as luke for ages all around the open world just to talk to yoda to talk to obi want to talk to someone else to finally activate the next uh mission oh and i guess where even is that supposed to be worry this is amusing this is i have to go to end or space to go on to the capital ship to get my mission to do everything you know how it works in the film they have to leave the strike team to get to the generator and i'm like i'm sorry admiral akbar's capital ship is floating outside of the moon of end all right now is that what you're telling me with the fucking death star there yeah uh i feel like you may have fucked that one up a little bit but you couldn't be asked to fix it because you was like i don't know where they were in the movie shut up let's just just shut up shut up shut up shut up just like okay because believe me that doesn't fucking work they went to end all they went to end or on this ship they didn't do it on the capital ship because i'll be pretty fucking stupid wouldn't it um but whatever call it an epic that's fine so you open up this level rags you may be familiar with this site yes i am familiar with this site you really like this one a lot i love this one you played it a lot yeah i could tell you really liked it first challenge defeat all the stormtroopers in the area they provide you plenty of chest high walls in order for you to uh utilize them to your needed ability everyone's favorite and once you've cleared out the area they had a couple respawns you get into that speeder section now um uh i will simply play it for you give me your um your your analyst desk analysis of of this from a gameplay perspective you're an expert in video game world so just tell me i'm gonna play it and tell me what you think it's not just like straight path the whole time right you've got to like turn there are parts where they split it into two options and you can choose either left or right and then you will continue going forward uh matt you know like maybe if there were more obstacles or if you needed to like turn left or right like a hard left or right or even yeah like a gradiest game or if you were faster like if you were going much faster than the few obstacles that there are might be pose a bigger challenge what if we could remember the this goes your bike section from all in a row oh like in the original you mean yeah like maybe a series of little flap sort of things on the floor that you have to hit all in a row to unlock yeah that was a great mechanic that could be a thing you can do that really good mechanic that i mean like i guess i'm not sure what we're what we're doing here like choose like um man i'm gonna put it on times two speed now so you can continue well there was a corner there yeah well so um i would like to make the audience aware as well can you see the little tutorial on controls at the below my character can you see that ah yes you move yeah uh so that is a lie and i'm sure many of you pointed out immediately you're like that's good there's gotta be two buttons smaller that's ridiculous there's obviously more controls than that well it is a lie yes it is not as much as they're saying it is you can't move the l stick wherever you want it's simply left and right and that is it uh because if you could go at different speeds that might be interesting for challenges or maybe you want to get behind enemies to shoot them from behind or you want to yeah you wait like original version of the level where leia yeah where leia specifically slows her speeder bike so she can get behind or where the troopers do it too oh shit and so they pull back so that they can shoot in front of you that is implemented in the original version of this yeah a great game i know i've called lego star wars two or lego star was the complete saga where that's exactly how it works oh my goodness this game has 93 on metacritic well so um it's time to be a little harsh here um we're stripping this down remove all of the aesthetics what are we dealing with here it is hold down one button and then maybe hit left right to avoid the bigger colors that come at you on screen but you don't have to you don't really have to do that you you can you don't really know because if you die you would just respawn like right where you are right and you can just pretty much yeah um it is it it seems like a very stateless game well yeah for vegans um now uh fringy you may be curious here that this is not going to be curious for me in ranks we're fully aware of it i don't know if jay will be jay i probably told you about this but um going on for a while in it this is going on for quite a while how big is this for how big is this planet i mean you should be out of forest forest moon okay it's just forest oh my god forest um yeah it was like you got to kill one more war's planet convention yes you got to kill one more scout trooper and i was like so where is he and then i see i see this sentiment in chat as i was playing i was like what is this and some people say it's bugs bugs bugs like oh come on what is it actually some people like oh this is a known bug this level sometimes just doesn't work this level sometimes there's a problem there's a problem with the the generation of the the map ahead where it just like loops it i guess well so the big problem is there's a scout trooper i need to kill but i can't um so he won't spawn i think it's a matter of him either not spawning or getting tangled somewhere and he despawned or he was killed and he didn't count something like that you know it's like that's terrible so i just uh yeah that's that um terrible well you know a bug happens it happens every once in a while that a bug you know it's you know you just restart and take care of it and it's all good i mean a bug where i have to restart the whole level because i can't you just i reset and go back base go back to end or do this wonderful part of the mission again where i have to just shoot stormtroopers endlessly until it finally fucking says time to go to the speeder and here i am at the speeder and uh the all too familiar line of three out of four stormtroopers it's like oh no i hope i hope there's another one that's going to appear totally will be all right oh there he is excellent uh what do i say oh zero out of five okay we're gonna just get these next five oh no no no come on yes this this spawned a lot basically because there's no reason not to hold down the gunner like just shoot everything you keep getting studs so people started saying pew a lot um because that's all they heard because i didn't have much for common tree as you can imagine i was oh yeah yeah pew yeah you're having fun and try it pew pew pew yeah uh oh wait have we talked about how bizarre it is that it just lets you run into trees it's weird right because they look like obstacles but then you realize when you destroy them you get studs and then you can just you can do extra damage by running into them and so you may take a hit like you'll lose a bit of health but ultimately like it's worth it right yeah that's how it came across to me so i was like i guess i'll just hit them even if i die like whatever i'll respawn so what am i supposed to do the death penalty is the death penalty is losing studs so does it give you more studs for hitting them than it does for dying on them i asked this question i didn't test it but i was so big they've covered that because i would be pretty exploitative uh buddy as fuck if it we go away but why would you assume that they covered something i don't know j i have faith in the humans i believe they didn't cover press the button to make the thing pressing the button makes happen happen don't be so mean well that's not well you know i it's it's not like i don't imagine it's the fault of the developers like they seem to have no time to make this um compared to the amount of time it actually takes yeah i noticed this in chat while i was getting a drink did you guys talk about this thing while i was doing that yeah the clutch and then we'll go back to that here and then because i think that's probably the last thing we talked about anyway right like the the conclusion um but you may have noticed like this is a times two speed it's already taken way too long uh so what's happening here like what do you meant to be doing seems that it's bugged again right like because it says navigate the forest but it has like the four you got to get four more people but there's nobody so how many attempts to take you mola it was three uh i got lucky that's two too many at least it was a fun section so you yeah thank goodness this was the level i was repeating you know yeah if it was going to be any one of them this wonderful gameplay um and yeah maybe you could have faced the port three times i would have that was that was shorter i was sure that's about plenty she's the shortest shorter uh and you know people in chat were like uh it's a known issue all you have to do is turn aim assist on and you will be able to uh pass the level no this is real and yeah apparently this is just a common bug that's been shared on different forums so like surely they knew about this right if it's so common that it's just a well known one that people make you on the right you got a worrying feeling we're like so did you guys play the campaign or did you piece it together and then release it like all right no pun intended because well i wonder i wonder if they just played it with aim assist on are you in playing the well like well what alternatively it aim assist is the default setting by the way um when that's that's nothing when i um when i popped up when the game um when i started the game for the first time it's like would you like to look at the accessibility features and i was like i don't need any of those so i skipped it and it turns them all on by default well so i guess the other alternative which hopefully isn't the case but as possible is they knew about it but they had a deadline well yeah they would fix it as soon as they can and then fix it yeah as quickly as possible so that's always a possibility i do i do want a question so in terms of a a game like especially like this that's designed for like all ages of kids right it makes sense to feel there'd be those accessibility features like auto aim and auto block and stuff right how do we feel about the fact that it asks you it prompts you would you like to look at the accessibility features menu um i assumed that i wouldn't want them because i don't need any stuff like that so i said no i'm good and then it turns them all on by default not fantastic i suppose that's on you to realize they're odd so that you could then i had no i didn't know i didn't know how they were though like i just didn't look at the menu i didn't know what kind of i assumed that maybe with the accessibility features on it would be even easier to apparently auto deflect was like that's an accessibility feature i had no idea that someone i could turn off yeah neither did i it's too late it's also not listed in um i've also looked in the menu i couldn't see it listed uh apparently it's it's tied to the auto aim oh for this uh i'm about this bug was because i'm on a mine so i just want it known that this was a level they decided to make where it was that shallow and they did not decide to make destroying the second death star a level i just i don't this is way too mechanically shallow to be like anything one this thing you guys know this is like a good alpha version of the game i was gonna say it's we're not we're not anywhere near completion but we can work with this you can absolutely work with it but i mean in its current state it's like there's nothing there it's it's not really anything um you just need left and right and shoot things oh god that was making me motion sick by the spinning there's lots of smaller but he's allergic to neat tricks i am it's true uh apparently that dialogue you know the thing i was talking about with what kwagon said that anakin said someone said it's definitely prompted by death and it's supposed to be referencing anakin saying jedi's can't die that's what kwagon's doing but again that still doesn't work because he hasn't met anakin um which means that they just have sort of flavor dialogue play just whenever and you might be like oh god you're really picking on that and it'd be like that would have been nice wouldn't it it would have been nice if they restricted certain pieces of dialogue to match the timeline but never mind yeah diet yeah you have well you have set dialogue that will play in certain sections i mean another thing that um so that's a as soon as you this just stuck up to me as soon as you get off the ship as pad may at the beginning of attack of the clones there's a clone trooper NPC standing there ready to give you a quest and i'm like you shouldn't exist yet yeah it's just oh that is weird yeah so i mean there's a reason he's not there in the fans of menace but like they just sort of i mean they must have they must have made a decision to not have him spawn until a certain point through the campaign but they've got it maybe they just don't know i mean they had to like i mean but they ripped all of that dialogue and put it into the game yeah the people who made halo didn't play halo the people who are making last of us they probably don't give a shit all of the dialogue describes the cut the clone troopers being made and brought to the republic is in the game yeah oh you so you can't you can't even square it off with maybe in the game it's different um it's just funny because like they had different eras to make the hub worlds for the karrison in phantom menace can't coexist with the karrison in you know returning the revenge of the sith like they're two very different karrison so it's like how are you doing this you know like well just shut up go for me to be it'll look like karrison okay like i think when i was playing um revenge of the sith and order 66 was happening like during it you just sort of hop out for a moment as obi-wan and someone else i think it was that bodyguard guy and it's a bright day and you just chill and you walk into the taxi and you're just like this is as order 66 is happening as who's that nightfall and all the troopers are going around the city to fucking go into the like the jedi temple gunnery it's just like the atmosphere is just gone it's just like yay let's go to the next place everyone's like okay order 66 and yeah it's more than just um a complaint about tone there's just not any effort to uh have the world around you match because the story one thing they put they put clone troopers trying to shoot everyone um in the street they do spawn random clone troopers to shoot at you in the open world that is true well what i'm wondering does karrison change if you're playing during the um if you go to karrison while you're playing the original trilogy or sequel trilogy era are there like storm troopers around i guess let me answer the j i'm not gonna find out i am not playing any more of this game um when i'll say i'm just i'm probably gonna like cycle around these sort of streams just to see if i can anything else i can talk about but you're on kashik during the war and you've got a mission to help random wookies right some of them are trapped by being held at gunpoint by droids or some because this is when you know this the droid war not when order 66 happened one of them is like there's a guy hiding behind like a wall and you got two ships a sort of uh oh i can't remember what they're called those droids there are a lot of problems with the segment and i'm wondering which of them you're gonna bring up so i get on to the thing and i kill them and i guess they can't appreciate this as well without um sound um but i destroy these guys and then i'm like wait oh these ones aren't real whoops yeah and then i'm like man it's gotten quiet i was like is the war over did we win one well yeah there are no there are like no npc troops around it's nothing it's it's i even the original game i believe it's broken the original game has um just a beach section that you walk through and it's constantly sporting clones and droids yes you're right it is because like that's not actually that hard of a thing to implement um this is an active war zone in which you must rescue the wookies from the incoming droid attacks and it's just like the droids aren't here and you're like oh okay so we can go home well there's random droids here and there because i don't even want to talk about the ai for like to guiding these fuckers it's it's super awkward so you're just like well oh cut the next thing like uh um another good example of this was when i fought janelle gravus um and how am i gonna find this when does that happen the before the kashik battle yeah you should know you're really smart oh there it is so um the thing that struck me so weird about the grievous battle was how long it was as a level compared to like anything i played up to that point like the boss fights are usually yeah all right well i mean it's the same boss fight four times in a row basically yeah they they made this one really long and it was just like okay that's fine i'd like you know there's not there's not more content though it's just you fight grievous four times and it's the same fight every single time so can you see what's happening in the background here guys but what is going on in fact that it's the war between the clones and the droids can you see it there are no droids droids didn't spawn again let me rewind it so you can see a better view but um yeah i think there's bugs in this game i mentioned the tweet i put out is like uh why is the droid army not sporting like why do they keep fucking it up um super awkward yeah i get i was trying to fight grievous and i was just distracted by this fucking moonwalking in the background i was like what are you doing and they're all awkwardly jittering around and shooting at nothing and i was like i think they had a plan to have droids and clones fight each other here but uh it didn't work i'm gonna have to go back and look at my footage to see if there are any droids or if i just didn't notice this i don't think i remember it being that severely you can keep seeing populated the uh the clone ships flying around because any droid ships it's kind of like that the grievous fight is the same thing over and over considering that he would probably have way different moves based on the amount of limbs he has left and he goes to different fucking places in the movie and you have a vehicle portion yeah but there's no there's no point where you're on the dinosaur and you chase him like there's no chase sequence no you just kill him here yeah i was baffled um this was the point where i was like this game might might be broken uh and i can't believe i'm saying that i'm a fucking lego man i just can't believe it well here's the thing right it's the original version of the grievous fight uh not that varied it's pretty similar in that you fight grievous on a platform and then he like runs away to do a thing and then you have to solve some puzzles to get to him and then you go back to the platform and fight him again one of the fucking shortest levels in the game he has like 10 hearts of health and you have to hit him 10 times to beat him in total it's it's not but this this you have to hit him what like i mean he has four health bars and they're all pretty big probably like 200 times a rough guess hmm the one in chat just reminded me by the way uh of when i should have known what i was in for um the opening level with why gone and good ol will be when uh this was this was what set me on understanding what i was in for i searched everything in this opening ship and i found nothing except studs and i thought that was really strange i was like there's so many other rooms pathways and corridors and everything it's like why why is there nothing to collect and there's no locks there's no scanners there's no secret pathways i was just like that's very unusual and so in my chat said this isn't a level and i sort of like brushed it off in my head like i don't know what they're saying yeah like this isn't a level but in that sort of thing in retrospect i now realize like oh what they meant is that this is like literally not a level it's just some kind of holding sort of level in terms of walk through it to make sure we match the movie but at the same time not do anything because it's not really well you fight you fight a few droids in here that's that's i mean this would be the one that like if this was the only one like this in the game i'd be much more forgiving to it because i'd be like oh it's a tutorial space whether just an empty room with some enemies in it and you walk from one side to the other and you engage with some of the mechanics for the first time yeah this is your character you can move around jump and everything and maybe and it teaches you how to break through doors and stuff exactly and you have the option of it being super straightforward so in your second playthroughs you can just like bypass it or if it's your first time you have all the time that you want to sort of him haul around and check things out yeah so that both it works both times both the first time and on subsequent playthroughs basic game design by someone who's never designed a game i've just fucking played them i know what i like people get close to the end of this mission like nido uh once you these doors by the way you only have to do a little cube uh square most of the time to actually break through them um i thought it would be yes real funny as soon as i realized that i thought what they were gonna do is make it so that whatever you cut is the hole you have to use but no they just break the whole thing apart no matter what you cut anyway this is the end you're supposed to just jump into the ship and get out and i was like okay this is kind of interesting i was like i wonder if there's a secret right like could be um and then i know something as you guys might have already as well what's going on right they're all shitting the ceiling huh why are they doing that is there is there an enemy that spawned up above the roof that why what are what the fuck are they doing why would they do that that's really funny that is bizarre but it's funny but well that is weird i'll tell you a bug that i experienced playing this game is that halfway through um and you'll be you'll be able to see this in my playthrough when i upload it um i'm uploading one of the one of the films every week on my second channel and when i fight um i'm on anikinobi one fight just about halfway through uh c3pio flies across the screen just in the foreground i don't know what caused it he just appears in and then flies away and i have no idea why it happened funny though um what else we got j i mean we've not talked about free play really have we that's the part that everyone says is good um you want to what have you got for that i mean you walk the the area is a big and they've got lots of challenges in them a couple of which in each area will be neat and like have some fun stuff going on right it's not it's not a devoid of any content but the same time um i think having played through every challenge on kamino at least that i have access to without like going off world right um because some of them are like go to yavin 4 and i don't have yavin 4 yet but um in terms of every challenge i have access to on kamino i'd say that like two of them were cool maybe three um the rest are just like walk over here find a thing like go to a person talk to them and you know we've already had maybe enough of that content you know maybe it's time to do something other than go to a place and talk to a person watch a thing happen what you do it some more you you played a bit of free play before story right not played um i played some free play after i think i finished attack of the clones i did some free play to see how it was and um the first i got really lucky with the first few challenges i found they were like all the good ones on kamino there's like this um i was about to call it kaplunk machine what's it actually called oh um carplut i think it's closer to pachinko but i'm not actually sure what the machine is uh right like uh this is like machine where you have to make a ball go into a hole and there's like these pegs oh skeeball oh oh you talk about plinkettos skeeball plinkettos i don't know what it's actually called if there's the day about it but yes mr plinkett um anyway that that game was like it was neat right wow it would only took like nice well it only took like 30 seconds but i was like hey if this whole area is full of little challenges like that that's gonna be really fun and i see the appeal of this game now i see like where the actual point of the game is it sucks about story mode but you know oh well right we've got all this now the second challenge i played was like this little platforming game and you know it's like good movement controls and like clear platforms you have to jump to you that are reasonably spaced apart it's like oh that's cool you know another cool little thing that you have to do um and it may you know it made sense to me and i think the third challenge i played is this one where you have to direct clones through a little maze by opening and closing different doors and it was like yeah clearly like a lot of effort was put into making it it's not like the most mechanically challenging things in the world but again it only took like 40 seconds it was just a quick little thing where you've got an area that's set up just for this challenge and then you guide the clone through the maze it's like yeah that's really neat and then there's this other one where you use the force and you have to use the force to guide objects around and it's a time trial and you have to guide you have to it's on screen right now actually it's a little time trial where you have to guide yeah objects using the force uh and it was neat and fun and then i think i picked out just by coincidence the only four like actually the only four challenges in the entire area that have anything to them the rest are walk to this place find this person follow the quest markers until you get to this person and it will take you all around the whole place or um oh use your turrets to shoot some birds and there's like no fail condition at all you just sit on a turret and aim at them until they die or like uh well what are some other ones i mean you know um well the one i'm showing right now i guess where you have to use the force to move it through a little sneaky pattern there and get a that's one that's one the mechanically interesting one that i thought i mean well and this one is we have to time the jumps correctly to not get zapped by electrics i guess something that's the that's the one i mentioned is one of the four good ones wiping this across the ground to this was a bit awkward actually i'm not entirely sure if this is what i'm supposed to do i'm guessing it was you have to you have to drop it on each one of them i think oh that works though well i mean i only had like three seconds left so i'm not sure if that was the way i'm supposed to i did it by picking i did it by picking up each one and then dropping it okay well um yeah uh these puzzles sort of exist and they're fine um yeah it's kind of hard to sort of i'm not concerned with these right these these are fine as far as i'm concerned it's just that they're like 10 of the content and free play if that well because a lot of the the stuff is you you know you need to talk to this guy and this guy's like i have a thing can you get it to this guy and then you have to go look around until it goes oh the guy's in the area and you look around talk to a few people and it's like i am the guy and you're like yay and you pass something like thank you and like who someone else would be like oh no did you see over there there's these people doing this thing and you go over there and there's bunch of chest high walls and people with guns and you're like uh i don't i don't see any of those ones i got one but i did play the um well is that the one we have to go to yavin 4 because um i didn't have yavin 4 unlocked yet no the yavin 4 ones like where they there's like i want to experiment on a weird monkey creature thing and it's like yeah the monkey creatures are the ones that pop up the knee high walls i thought or the chest high walls knee high walls no so you get the monkey creature from yavin 4 and then that means the yamasu has it and then he creates hybrid clones from that monkey yeah so i didn't have that challenge because you need to play the yavin 4 one to get the uh right well yeah what i did play was all of the other ones where you just have to wander around and find stuff and i mean did you play the yaral poof one i love that his name is yaral poof i don't know yeah i was gonna say here and you say it's funny so um that one is um a mission where you talk to um yaral poof and um aren't you find him and he's like hey people keep insisting that i'm actually someone else a um a Kaminoan called Rala D i think is their name and then yaral is like can you please go to um Coruscant to see if um to see what's going on so you walk to your ship you fly to Coruscant you go to the Jedi temple all followed by all with quest markers and then you walk into the temple and then there's Kaminoan there called Rala D or whatever and you're like hey what's up with this shit and he's like oh sorry Mavad and then you fly back to Kamino to talk to yaral poof to be like i have solved the issue oh that's nice it's a solid fun that's i'm glad they got that all squared away yeah um yes i'm happy for him jay as has been mentioned in chat i actually uh gave up on doing free play when my game froze um i tried to stick it out lads okay i just got really bored and then the game died why i don't know man i i think it was when i got to that cover shoot in section again i was like i don't think i can do this oh yeah it froze once before that too when i traveled through a different area i'm really confused as the amount of praise this guy this game is getting it's like are you guys not bored like i don't understand yeah that does seem like a question to ask like aren't you aren't bored then yeah this is exciting to you it's only pretty pretty graphics and lego nostalgia can only take you to like through the first like 24 hours of gameplay i don't understand how people would carry through this whole game especially when they're saying yeah you know uh galaxy free play it's the best part and it's like you have to finish the entire story and where to get to that it's like how how are you getting that far i mean you don't have you don't have to finish it's our story mode but like um you have to finish it i mean you you know you unlock it by completing the story mode right so i assume that most players at least have played at least one film before getting to that i actually i don't understand how people are still going i i'm mostly motivated it i'm motivated to play at the moment because i'm recording it i'm uploading it and i am probably gonna critique it content brain yeah i'm i'm playing because of my content brain um yeah i think it's meta is yeah um if i if i didn't have a youtube channel and i had some other job my brain would genuinely be annoyed that it took me five hours to realize that this game was the way it is because it means i can't refund it on steam that would be my that would that would be how i felt interesting um is there anything else there's probably other things we could talk about um the game bugs out pretty fun only by here just i saw this this is funny like progress the next section on your horses by the way the fucking uh the first order are given the horses in this section too apparently someone told me a chat i didn't even notice but uh yeah i'm just shooting and running as good old fin here and then uh i think we get to the next section we're just supposed to do things until you can do other things but it just locks me in and you can't do anything i'm a bit buggy you know what happens when you shoot him oh let's have a look with your bow and arrow that you have in this space battle hey she had one in the film okay love yeah i was the film i was making fun of oh oh that was the that was the gift i kept on giving right there this would be the section where you switch between people who are like i'm dealing with these guys you take out those snipers and then you have to swap to the different character that has the longer range weapons so that you could you know so that there's a meaningful reason to root that's fine it's fine it's all fine we're having a good time we're out of our minds what's funny you know it's extremely polished and clearly looks very finished in this game it's the graphics i wouldn't be surprised that a lot of it is because like lighting and things like that they just they they kind of as far as i'm aware they they happen by themselves once you program the lighting and you have all of it down in the game as you put things in the game the lighting just does what it does but yeah i guess if i i'd have to really pay attention and look and see how much of this is maybe recycled assets are recolored things like the cover and stuff like that but yeah that's a nice looking game it does look nice it does look nice pleams so what are you thinking moller well how much have you played jane i've played a the first three films and a significant amount of free play not as well a mere amount of free play i played um some of the missions on Coruscant and all the missions on Camino had access to well i've done the story for the three trilogies and uh that they was all pretty embarrassing and thin um i i i guess i could do free play but i just don't know what the point would be really uh i don't enjoy collecting in this game love of the craft i don't know that the the game really benefited from being open world i know that this isn't the first leg of open world game but um this one seems to be the least refined especially from what i've seen from people saying in chat and then uh yeah we're just dealing with a level of lack of polish that um i think this game shouldn't have been released yet um but it had to who was already delayed yeah a lot yeah and so that's essentially what we've come to realize is that this must have been a nightmare production development team probably went through hell and um you can see that almost in playing the game however it's getting through the roof sort of uh i mean it's gonna happen again yeah it's not very well it's unfortunately not that this isn't being addressed and highlighted better you know like the yeah it seems like it's pretty evident uh from playing it but it seems like everyone's just like there's a lot of sentiment of like why the fuck you mean so critical of a lego game shut up it's like a game yeah it's like a game oh i thought you were they i played 50 bucks i paid 50 fucking bucks for this lego game that's why i paid 50 bucks to go to get six minutes of gameplay and 40 minutes of gameplay time but also like all of the praise it's getting doesn't seem to align with like you can't simultaneously say it's a kid's game you shouldn't be criticizing it properly while also like giving it reviews to the same standard as all other games like giving it high praise yes i'm sad it's on the same pedestal it's like Godzilla movies where it's like it's supposed to be bad shut up it's like i don't think you actually believe that no i don't think so oh dlc underscore title i remember seeing that oh yeah have we won but you want to show that oh do you have like a clip of that i thought i sent for a picture yeah if you can find the shot i mean yeah so that's the first thing i was confronted with when i opened this game um was i mean first of all an advert to buy dlc not a great sign um but then it said like hang on look i don't think i have it um it's the beginning of my first episode um where i will uh yeah i i opened the game it's like click click here to buy and then it just says dlc underscore title oh great they don't have time and uh yeah they don't have time to add that in the game i wonder if the game is is finished wait sorry um are we do you say you're gonna look for the image i i said i couldn't find it okay i believe and maybe i just forgot to say that i had a i had a quick look why i thought it wasn't it i couldn't say is there anything else about the game the depressing um i'm trying to think of like because a lot of people will not be happy with this coverage but i don't know what else i could do to help out in that regard you know i i guess we could cover the core gameplay like what it actually is like when you're playing improved the like boss fight combat in casual combat right agree with that yeah i think that's an that's an improvement um they removed silo and rey's kiss for that that's good that's hilarious this is how they portray him giving her life by the way uh seems to imply they could have been both happy on half health buzz but so well i do like that well it's just like the movie he disappears too fast for to be able to do anything about it let me heal you but no i've disappeared i don't know um so i have to go to the void now the the dark void that is disney um talk about the boss combat yeah and sure all right yeah you had more controversial take on this i talked to you didn't like it but i don't think i had the i don't think i have the hang of it properly yet um it's been instinct well here's the thing right because you could just beat any of them by spamming lightsaber throw and then um like doing the quick time events which is what i've been doing um so i haven't really bothered to learn the proper mechanics because at no point it's the game incentivize me to i will make an effort to learn the proper mechanics at some point so i can actually like get a better grip on what they are but i mean at the same this point every boss fight for me is spam lightsaber throw and then yeah sometimes very quick time events what is your take on them one blow i think i said to you that i was mostly okay with them until i got repeated ad nauseam um and then i was like actually this isn't very good um it's annoying when you've got uh true Jedi active and there's things to destroy in the room and it's like yeah well you got to navigate over there while the camera is locked onto a person who's in the center of the room or whatever so it can be really awkward in that way oh i hate the cat i hate that it locks the camera on you i don't see any utility to actually doing that like it it forces you to look in the direction of the boss um why can't i just look where i want maybe there could be an arrow pointing at the boss or maybe just i'm in a small room with the boss i can find them like i don't need that do you have any suggestions for why that actually might be useful to have as a feature to lock onto the boss with your camera make it feel more maybe it's trying i was just about to say that yeah the boss is always in view you can't escape the fact that he's there it's not letting you get him off your screen which might in their minds add to the intensity of the fight and i've been praising the camera like how it lets you look around everywhere you want compared to the original games except when there's a boss fight and i don't just say yeah shumbo shumbo i thought when i was using the lightsaber stuff that i was like oh combats improve then right like we get in all kinds of things and this is just a microcosm but i realized like in retrospect they give you a decent tutorial in the lightsaber combat because it's something they completed canically there's not much else in terms of mechanical tutorials in the game because everything else is stuff you've either seen before or a simple that's the only one where it's like yeah you can hit them with you know normal strike but then you can hit your jump button and now it will act as a hit up while you jump you can hit the force button which will use a force move on them during the attack and you can combo these up in all different ways i was like oh that's really cool that's about it for the updates slash you know positive changes of graphics chat how did you feel about this game exploreable open worlds i'd say is a positive change that you can that there is more map to explore it's not huge because there's not much more to do in it well there's not much more i don't think there is more to do in it than the in originals but like i guess it is positive that there's more area to explore so it's so hard to grasp for anything for you guys isn't it it's like valuable well look at how you got lame flimpy pain trash game game sucks throws popcorn at screen wait for a giant sail certainly not elton rings that was as worthless the ldr it's bad i don't know like genuinely i think this game wastes your time more than your money just don't buy it yeah actually i think you're right don't i don't i just don't just don't get the other ones any of the other ones probably yeah i got the original lego style oh go get the complete saga sorry someone's the door give me a second um yes i guess that does it does it i guess so what are your hopes for the next one i don't think i'm allowed to play it oh boy yeah unless we see like oh we've made major revisions and we've given the developers all the time they need yeah i'm not playing the next one new friends of the roofers but that's all right what was that rides what was that what i just came came back and was just saying some like gibberish talking about the game no it's fine so i'll get some roofers no the people who arrived at this home were not new friends they were here to fix his roof or whatever oh yeah i mean to be fair um you know rye wanted to express that but um there is uh when you left the conversation carried on so that means that when you come back they speak and then you speak it means i can't hear either of you oh okay you know a dramatic character i think we should fight for the right to speak you just shout really loud that'll that'll make whoever wins no no i think we should have a cage match and whoever wins gets to say their thing i've already said it fuck i can't remember what mine was i think i might have said it it's fine wrapped up i've said every bit all these delays now so i guess we should go to topic three yeah lego game bad sorry no um what it what even is topic three gonna be good topic three oh is this gonna be our i hope it isn't gonna be our next controversial take i hope not hopefully it shouldn't be well you know i can break it up just with one this is this i didn't know where to put this exactly in our timeline discussions but it kind of relates to discussing video games on streams right but uh any of you can take this i don't know who would be funny is to read it but it's it's a real great comment i saw after we'd recently finished the elden ring stream just give that a little little look and read see all right let's see this this appears to be a youtube comment yes made by inaki per ti era the the dynamic uh so this is about the elden ring thing okay yes the dynamic of this discussion was kind of broken by theo's inclusion and not because he didn't praise the game but because everyone who liked the game seemed incapable of contesting theo in any manner besides with either silence or a weak rebuttal without much substantiation it seemed as if a good chunk of others were intimidated by theo's directness really like the concept of we're all like theo yeah sorry rags you've been replaced don't the scary one anymore i theo is now the scary one theo what happens this person what if theo was just correct on a lot of things and people were just like huh so that's the the flaw i suppose in their analysis they don't realize how much um myself metal and fortier agreed with theo um there was there was a lot of time i think i even said that at some points like theo would say a thing and i'd be like well i don't have anything to add to that and i don't have any criticism of it so anyone else i'd just be like not really um maybe like it's like an obligation that elden ring needed to be defended against theo's yes i think people have that perspective when they have certain topics covered but they want like you know they'll say like you didn't have anyone on to defend blah blah blah and then we'll be like never say this about batwoman what do you mean what are you talking about there's like yeah but we know about oh you're gonna you're gonna get in trouble for comparing batwoman to elden ring one boy hey i already said i loved elden ring come on you can't yeah i love well you said you love that woman yeah i do though i love batwoman i'm unapologetically i love that woman it's great there's no show like it i hope it lasts forever oh no there are few shows like it uh all the bad shows the bad shows which i suppose will leave us nicely now somehow that was a nice transition into talking about um moon night oh moon night moon wow it feels like it's fresh in my head yeah so um it's a show that came out it's from marvel it's about the guy yeah who looks like a moon running around killing people and we went from star wars to moon night both of which star oscar isaac that's exciting the quick vision is we watched episode one and was like that was neat and we watched episode two and we were like that was not neat and then we watched episode three and we were like goodbye show it was nice knowing you yeah pretty much um that doesn't mean we're not going to finish it it just means that the show's i have no faith that there'll be anything worthwhile about it now yes i have no confidence whatsoever in this show it is sad but it has turned unfortunately into the very sadly familiar marvel sludgy nonsense where stupid idiot dumb asshole characters and a horrific plot that makes no sense all combined together to undercut any semblance of good music and good acting and it's all just so painful and we've been here before and here we are once more uh here we are again it's a little weird it's such a pleasure we're probably gonna do a full episode to cover the show um which means it's like how much we're gonna talk about now it's like well probably just the a brief sort of summary for anybody who has no idea what it is and then um we'll just go over like broadly what what rose and fell um the story it just it just at first covers a guy called steven in britain acted very well by oscar isaac living a normal life very well except for the fact that he's got weird things going on that we as the audience don't quite understand yet for example like he ties himself to a beam in his house when he goes to sleep and i don't and i don't even know if the show knows so like the first episode right we can tell there's clearly something up with him because of his routine but i don't know if the show really even knows what he's supposed to have um because when when you watch it the way that i feel that he behaves to having other voices in his head and other stuff like that it almost seems to be just like that he doesn't that he's not aware of it or that it's a surprise to him or that he's not used to having this happen ever like he takes the precautions for it i think because the show the people who made the show want us to think that but i don't think he's really like i think the show is confused as of what it's trying to tell us is actually what he thinks he has my guess from having seen three episodes is that this point he genuinely has no clue that anything is happening when he goes to sleep except maybe he does move and so he puts this scenario up so he can tell if he slept walked in the night and i think that that's just supposed to be our sort of hole into being like that's strange anyway moving on you know like and then it'll come up later he lives a very average life oh and people are asking me like what i think of his accent it's like that same take as as is um it is fine it passes the test it's just very generic that's all just comes across as very normal attempt to do in the british accent um which isn't really a problem i don't want to be too critical if someone just focusing on what is easier to understand so that he can focus on his acting as well as the maintaining that normal accent he's um character is a bit of a pushover um he tries to push back here and there but he's mostly taking advantage of and we only get this for like 10 minutes and we were hoping we might have gotten even a whole episode but um he then wakes up a distant land and his door is like broken but he puts it back and then he starts getting chased and he's running through a town and bumps into the i don't think it's unfair to say just the villain of the whole season doing like a group get together where he's judging people based on whether or not they they're good or bad so that they can be the last or killed i guess um and like we see one guy and he's like you're a good man he's like woohoo and then we see an old lady and he's like you're a bad man and it's because of things that you will do not because of things you've done um there's already enough to be like okay but it's so weird that he just like sort of stumbles on this and then they realize he's there which by the way was one of the things we because episode one of some stuff we like but um he does he's among a crowd and there's suspicion that he might be there and so they i think he asks for everybody to kneel or he says something in different languages it and then everyone kneels accept him and he's like oh bugger it's like hey that's a good way to do it actually um and so he's got a scarab in his pocket and and this guy it's like give me it and uh in an attempt to actually give it to him he keeps preventing himself from doing it it's very bizarre to us obviously and then when they finally almost get it off him uh he like phases out and then phases back in to see everyone around him is dead um and so this was like does that ever come back up again what now his body just like no yeah because i was about to say that could have really probably come in handy in a lot of other instances somebody taking control of his body but it just doesn't happen this seems to be a one-time thing oh i'm not remembering it correctly yeah maybe we'll get more i don't know maybe when the knife is at someone's neck he's he's pulling it back but it doesn't look like that's happening in a sense like they're fine i don't know uh but i think you're right like it doesn't seem to come across more anyway like they forget about it we having a bit of meta knowledge are like oh cool this is like uh you know the the other personality swept in to save him because he was he was about to lose the scar but it's important right and then he's back in control but he's just like what the fuck's happening and you know action scene takes place where he keeps phasing through pieces of it every time he's in maximum danger and then phasing back to have you know he's having won the fight sort of thing um there's like a lot of plot armor um and some conveniences here and there but i was still pretty invested in this steven guy trying to understand all this these a lot of this is carried by our interest in steven and oscar isaac's acting yeah a lot of it yeah um and he does wake up um after several moments from that whole action scene back in his house and you're like everything is normal as back into work even though he notices his fish has a a repaired fin compared to not before right or something do anything with that i don't remember i'd have to rewatch it to know what the point of that was exactly he also legit don't think they do anything with that i think it's another thing they seem to forget he also had um a date but he missed it by like three days or whatever and he didn't realize until he was there which was a bit tough to swallow like you didn't know what day it was until he actually sat down on the chair to check his phone to see if he had like missed calls from it i was just like that's that's very weird i saw people discussing this on the subreddit someone was like i find it ridiculous that he didn't manage to find out what the day was even from looking at his phone and then someone was like some people don't have the day on the on their phone it's just like that's a lie come on like i'm not even going to appeal to that directly i just be like you can't kind of like spend this long and not discover what day it was from anywhere it just seems super unlikely you see all the text and you check them and if you're interested in a girl and you're texting with her you're just part of your kind of your check and to see if she said anything to you yeah she would have called and he would have checked so yeah doesn't it's a really good moment for his acting he basically is coming to realize here his whole life is getting ruined by whatever the hell is happening with this second personality i think this is specifically where fringy was like he like we hope we get more time to learn who this guy is and they don't just jump into plot stuff yeah because he's a really good actor playing a character you really feel for i think the problem was that the fact that we had that opening action scene like that we had that at all kind of got me a little nervous um that we weren't going to be going as slow as i would have liked um felt like we were we were already moving quite quickly yeah he starts seeing the spooky galaman figure and he's hearing voices in mirrors and stuff and it's it's a guy called mark runs and runs and runs i think yeah he meets right up with the the the skeleman and then he ports over to a bus and he's just like what the fuck they looks outside the bus the fucking the skeleman is right there outside it's just like it's it's almost funny rather than stupid i guess like it because it was sorry funny rather than scary but also yeah it's just there hello it's like okay i'm not super well realized either like it's pretty bad cgi um which is a persistent problem in this show yeah there's some there's a lot of moments a lot of wank shots and like bad compositing like like when we were when uh like when we were watching episode three and there was the guy he's looking over the cliff and there was someone down below you don't have to show us that oh yeah like i i get it that's a very oh yeah that's right because he's following him but like the work we didn't even need to get off the bus then yeah figure unless he just walked back he got off on the next stop and we needed to show being ominous um yeah he goes to work and then villaman shows up he's trying to explain like to be chill and then he does a judgment thing on him but it like it results in conclusive right that's essentially what he gets yeah and you know there's a lot you can take from that maybe it means that of his two personalities one is condemned and one isn't you know but but i don't know we sort of move on and um he's in the night shift then he's almost surrounded by all these cult members and he's given this test that he's seen kill people before he knows this is real now he knows all this stuff is going on but he just carries on his shift until night just like yeah okay yeah um and then a creepy crazy cgi dog shows up doesn't look so great and then because he's desperate mark says let me take over he does eats the thing does his little trailer shot pose yeah moon night and so yeah yeah but i'm just like okay there's problems here but like it's hard to say a lot because there's still a lot of information we don't have with pov yes so we have this is a lot of setup we still need a lot of answers we still need a lot of things explained we can't quite comment on some of this stuff yet but we're very intrigued we are we like our protagonist we like the acting of it we're we're interested consider us interested yeah legit interested like we really kind of wanted this to be good and for us to have a cool story moon night the cool character as a concept we've got a cool costume it is cool it was indeed then then episode two that was that well do either of you want to describe the events of episode two right so like doesn't he um like he he goes back to work um after like he almost the perception that that was like some crazy vivid nightmare he goes to work and there's all this damage from the jackal and then he asks the security guy to review the footage he's like yeah because some crazy shit happened they review the footage and it's just steven running around and nothing there uh that is meant to imply like that the jackal is like invisible or something or its presence isn't known here's the problem though um i don't want to jump but later in the episode he has to fight another jackal and like it clearly exerts an influence on the world even though it's invisible it like interacts with objects it destroys cars it hits things so like even if the jackal is invisible its influence should still be seen on the cameras and it would be inexplicable it would just be things getting knocked over by nothing mark running around and things getting destroyed but like the conclusion of this is ah steven vandalized he i don't know he he went nuts and he like destroyed the museum doesn't make any sense um but then we have a part where they're looking at the footage and we see steven walk up and look at the camera but it's clearly mark because oscarize is a great actor unfortunately the writers don't have faith in the audience to interpret that because steven it's not me it's like ah thanks i yeah i knew that but then you told me because you don't have faith in me to understand what's happening you have this amazing actor who communicates it very well and the show's like we have to tell the audience explicitly what is happening because they're so fucking stupid then he gets fired and then he uh isn't that off to that that's when he goes to the uh storage lockers right i can't remember how he finds that out but he goes to the storage lockers um and i guess this whole time i think it's there's kind of a question in the back of our heads of okay so we got conch who though the the the god of the moon the one that he's been seeing the spooky guy and i got mark who we've seen at times is like exerting influence in the in the world and trying to communicate like what why is nobody telling him anything now it might be like well i don't know if like how didi works in in in the real world but in this show it is it is a mechanic as well because like the characters will interact with each other by talking through mirrors and reflections and there's some capacity to oh you take over no you take over but then also fighting over it it's um it's confusing i think uh it's unclear exactly how these characters can communicate with each other and then especially once we get to the storage locker and mark and steven finally have a conversation throughout the whole thing it's like why are you guys being so obtuse like why isn't conch who telling him anything why is mark not telling him anything clearly like why can't they just talk to each other because now i might be like well they need one that's to leave him out of it it's like well the problem is that he's not he's he's now like he's now a part of this he's looking into things he's digging around he's potentially messing with your plans like surely at this point you need to talk to him it is frustrating it is very frustrating we're in that disney sludge world of everyone in the world is a stupid idiot and it's frustrating well yeah because what um because instead of just being like oh sorry you weren't meant to see any of this you really want to know what's going on i mean no you got to walk away and let me uh let me let me deal with this like man i feel like all of this can be solved by just explaining things to him like you really need to explain things to him at this point because because then after this point like when he's he's going through and he finds a fake passport um also like this is something that might point he finds a bag it's got a little scarab thing in it but it's also got a um it's also got a passport and the passport has mark specter's name on it later in the episode steven gets arrested and the police are like oh they're fake police but they're like oh mark specter is like an international criminal so it's like wait a minute so wouldn't it make way more sense for the fake passport to be steven rather than mark if mark is like a criminal could it be argued that they're lying about that i guess it could be that they're lying but that means i thought that they didn't know that there were two personalities at this point in time i got no clue i thought fusion about that and like the idea that there was a guy called mark could be a lie i don't know but in any case yeah like he he grabs a bag he's like no no no i don't want any part of this um i'm gonna give this to the police um and then conch who tries is like spooky is like come to get you turn on off all the lights and then mark runs out and um he falls over and this woman on a bike is like oh hey mark get on um um um let's go she says she tracked his phone he called her in the last episode um and as they're like riding back to his house the whole conversation is so stilted it's like this is lihigh like the the end of that scene it like does a reuse frame and zoom and then it cuts he's outside yeah yeah we know we noticed that it and it stood apart is i don't recall that ever happening before or after this i don't remember that happening in anything marvels made it's weird it is yeah it is very strange it because it happens and you think you don't think it's a stylistic thing you almost think like the camera fucked up so in chat someone says you guys seem weird with how you sometimes expect characters to be explicit but other times you want them not to be a few minutes go to you got mad and said that's not me right so the problem is that the matter of being explicit here is that if you don't tell him what's going on he's just going to destroy everything like the character yes situation is compelled to be explicit he needs to communicate clearly with this character not for my sake but for the sake of his own objectives conversely i don't need him to tell me that's not me it would be better if we could just see that communicated and like i don't see how that's confusing at all the situation ends clear communication from a character who i'm supposed to believe is pretty competent like has some level not really mean but why would you assume that our perspective is everyone should always be completely explicit like why wouldn't you have a better faith interpretation which is they should be as explicit as they know is needed yeah are they comparing us saying what what the script is telling us as an audience to what two characters in the world should be telling each other i just think it's like a just clear misread of what was being said it's easily yeah because arc needs to be communicating very clearly to another person in this world because that person will fuck up everything he's trying to do if he does not do that that's what that's what's the situation not telling him anything ain't working like he's not listening nor should you expect it to be audience's sake because there's no reason why you'd expect that plan to work of just shut up whoever this is give us back your body it's like if any of us heard that we'd be like you are you kidding me what the hell is happening to me and and if anything i think that you would um you would push that person to consider opting to go to a mental asylum which is what he does and to compare that previous example what we're talking about is he already knows his sleepwalks he's been hearing voices he's pretty sure there might be someone else controlling his body he sees on the camera an event that he does not remember being that he walks up to the camera and looks at it and then the guard is like that's you or whatever and then and then he's like that's not me it's like no you you probably wouldn't say that because you can only look crazy by saying that you keep that to yourself because you're like yeah i don't remember that happening we know he doesn't remember that happening um so it's not for our benefit either though i think that's why the line is there to make sure the audience knows that he realizes that isn't him but it's like we know we know mm-hmm oh yeah so like the woman picks him up and through very stilted dialogue basically says i'm your wife very bad like it's just you know the com it's so clear when we're like relaying exposition here she's like looking off the bike if you remember isn't right which doesn't seem to line up with what she wants to do later because she's specifically coming to him to give him divorce papers so like i don't know why she would boot him off when she needs to give him that and also has some level of investment in the um in the the plot the central plot with like the scar over and everything um and like for whatever reason she just doesn't seem to like realize pretty quickly that even though this is mark and looks like mark it's clearly not mark something is wrong with them clearly wrong like not necessarily that's a different person but like you know something wrong yeah like i don't know why you're getting so mad wow i can understand being mad but like i just don't understand like what her problem is with him specifically at this moment it feels confused people just don't general anger yeah like people don't behave like you would expect a human being to behave in these situations that's a persistent problem i feel with like a lot of the new marvel stuff there's not much time to rest or explain it's more so like boom boom boom and the fact that we boom onto that motorcycle and then boom into his apartment and then she's like before we can even settle because she talks about his face and they look like casually talking about bullshit for a little bit interested in what music and i remember us all being like what the fuck is happening you've both got so much to explain to each other you're both yes you're not acting like rational humans you're just being weird for you're being strange and slow and cryptic for the sake of the audience and it's no none of you should be behaving like this you you are acting bizarre this isn't how any person would actually behave he's got so many things to ask her and she would have so many things to ask him especially with the accent and the change of demeanor but um everything is bizarre nobody's really saying what they should be and then she serves in fucking divorce papers um which is like i think of all your priorities you should have different ones and this was before we found out by the way that she's fully aware of moon night um a plot but yeah the is this bit so is this seen better or worse than the divorce paper scenes from marriage story we're gonna say we're just not entirely chill though but i'm kind of feeling oh we can never escape our star wars actor references can we oh my goodness um and then to police shop and they're like hey we need to talk to you um buddy but then uh it's layla that's the new character here she's she's uh taking the the the scarab out of the bag i believe and then yeah and then hidden outside and like we could tell immediately it's like these are evil cops like in the cult they're not like real police officers they're some smug looks yeah and also those weird looks it just helps don't show up to your house without a uniform it's just but don't do that and also i guess it's worth noting like in this scene mark has interacted with steven and be like don't tell her anything you know keep it to yourself but he just kind of let steven like be taken into custody it's real it's like no um yes based on what we learn yeah but conchu mark their ability to communicate with steven seems to be in particular is the one that i can't get around like it like yes at least with like mark and steven they have to fight sort of for control and there's the mirrors and stuff but conchu seems to be able to appear anywhere at any time and he doesn't tell steven anything yeah i could stare at you on the bus but when i really need you to fucking do something that's integral to my plan and my whim i'm just not going to do anything or again i'm going to remain stupidly vague and cryptic that in a way that will not help you at all you are a thousand you're you're a god that has existed for thousands of years and you're a dumb asshole kind of um and it's annoying but yeah then the cops take him to they take him to the cult uh they've got like this weird little commune and then um he goes and talks to ethan hawk uh while conchu's sort of chilling out looking at him just on pillars and stuff he's sort of sitting there not doing anything um and then uh like they're there and they have a conversation where basically well i just want to quick mention because i don't know if you know about this um this this part here happens i think without subtitles i can't really illustrate this properly because i can't remember what the language is but basically she said this girl says something and then um steven says it's that shinies and then ethan hawk goes mehender in and it's like oh okay and she continues talking apparently what she said was on the level of any stereotypical insult um like level of making fun of a language if you if you understand what i'm saying like um in the same vein as when people say like i'm speaking well it's just like um they basically like it was all made the fuck up and you know who highlighted this first apparently anyway wait so wait just so we're clear on the same page someone in the show who was supposed to be speaking mandarin was just gibberish that sounded kind of like mandarin um i think there were some words that could be recognized but a lot of it was basically gibberish um someone put out a tweet about this um good ol simu liu really he was like someone needs to fucking get them a better mandarin coach or something like that and then someone else ticked up on it he was the uh he was the um he's the guy who played chiang chi okay um that's a merit yeah and a lot of people started sharing this and they were talking about how fucking insulting and stupid this is and i was just like how does this mistake happen i thought this would be one of the things that they would definitely lot let happen yeah the shit you'd about down to the chinese you think they would know it's how would how do you even make that mistake just get someone who speaks mandarin like who knows the language properly or don't have anyone speaking it if you don't have anyone who can speak it have it be german or some shit so i don't i don't see the i don't see the the point in a creative process where someone goes oh we don't have anyone who speaks mandarin here oh just make some sounds well so you guys remember the um the sign language the amount of time sign language people have gotten in when they're not actually sign language people and they just fuck around i wonder if that it was as simple as that their coach for this language they were like you need to coach her into saying one line and then they were like yeah sure and they didn't know and so they just googled it read out something and were like uh this this this this and then she tried to repeat it and it just became horrible i don't know but i guess they just insisted it had to be chinese being spoken here it couldn't be because they wanted the mandarin joke right because it's less likely like if you said it's german they couldn't do the thing of ha ha that's not what it is because mandarin is not chinese oh that mandarin is mandarin okay well yeah i mean if you can't get someone who speaks the language maybe just don't do that joke at all that's insane i can't believe that that's something that happens in like a major multimodal production that like the most widely spoken language in the world that you could just get like one person who can speak it just yeah that's pretty nice actually yeah in any case they they go they go inside and they have a conversation and it's like pretty i think i think it's like this just adds on to more of that this is a marvel show isn't it because it's like a conversation about this particular cults like belief and arm it like one of the greek uh not greek egyptian gods and the notion of justice but like basically minority report justice like preventing before it's even happened and like steven asked a pretty obvious question wait so what if like a kid like if you predict that the kid is going to do something bad in the future you're just going to kill them i don't like that and like he like ethan hawk doesn't really have like a good answer for this it's like this is insane because your entire belief system yeah he just kind of sidesteps it completely it's like i don't like this is not this is not a deep conversation here this is like the surface level of this conversation about preventative or like you know justice after the fact like this is so shallow it just reminds me of like in falcon and the winter soldier yeah this is the the obvious question that people will ask you that you should be prepared to have he does not have and does not even attempt to answer and then like surrounded by people that supposedly you have convinced to be in this cult and i'm odd this whole time i'm wondering just tell him what you told all those other people to convince them and i mean it's it's kind of funny because this conversation that he's trying to be like yeah i'm pretty chill and then all of the cult people just start standing around him ominously turn it and then look at him and it's just like there's no attempt to try and even make the cult seem not evil no that's super duper they're definitely evil obviously evil and then like this is all because at this point there's like a nice reflective plate or something right next and like mark's like come on you gotta do something and then uh conscious can't yeah there's a lot of we'll see that in the next they're like conscious like some of the suit you fool like you get out some it's like what what like he has no idea what you're talking about dude like you ever told him anything um there is a oh yeah well i guess there is you go ahead i think i might even forget what i was gonna say so this point yeah that's the plate there's a lot of reflective because that's how they talk to each other but then lila shows up and she's like hey you're looking for this scab right and oh like a biggest like how'd you get in here this is like a compound that's full of gods and stuff how'd you get in here do you track off the phone again is that it yeah i guess i guess we know guards disappear whenever it's convenient so maybe she just got in that way and then she taught she's like to mark while they're surround it's like all right get the suit and naturally steven is like what the hell i don't i have no idea what you're talking about and thus begins no one tells me anything yeah including you and then thus begins a nonsensical action scene where like for some reason most of the cult members just sort of stand around well these two run about and meanwhile ethan hawk is summoning another jackal it's it's pretty it's pretty stupid nonsensical action again um and then i want to go show that hand because okay just just before you move on because uh yeah so um moon night uh moon night actually was shot i i know that uh they shot like moon night miss marble and she holk last year moon night was shot last and came out first which i think explains a lot about how bad the visual effects are like this in between a lot of what's being reported on that like there's a massive pile up basically with like visual effects studios there's so many productions coming out and not enough studios and people to keep up with the demand that like you've got this massive backlog of films that are just like waiting to get their stuff done and tv shows feels like it explains a lot about how bad this show's visual effects looked they look really pretty bad for what was probably a very expensive show um and we have the typical thing that we see in a lot of stuff now the cgi backgrounds in places where you feel like you should lots of compositing yeah yeah um but uh yeah they're in this room they lock themselves in but then we realize oh the jackal it's like invisible oh no it's invisible leila can't see it and then it pushes steven out the window and as he's falling to the ground he summons his own suit he is mr night which is a change from the comics where mr night is his own personality but it's just steven uh oh and also he drops the scarab here and the jackal is it put on pause for a bit yeah the jackal just pauses for about a smaller the jackal is always on pause nice nice we fucking did it and yeah so mechanically speaking this is steven using the suit is this mark using the suit as moon hour yes and steven is mr night like i said different from the comics when mr night is his own person steven yes and to be clear so yeah so the power the the ability to have a suit is given by conchue when mark uses the power for the suit he's moon night when steven uses the suit power he's mr night that's right and mr night just to be clear because i can understand why that there might be some confusion tonight's a bit more cringe unfortunately a little bit um yeah uh i apparently a lot of uh fans of the character are pretty disappointed that like this is who mr night is because i'm pretty sure mr night's meant to be like very sort of suave and i thought that's what i assumed when i first saw the look before the season i was like that guy that personality will be pretty cool hopefully yeah but he's not because we're not we're not we're not going as far as like in the comics i think he's got like four or five distinct personalities here we maybe three because there's an implication of a third one but it's um yeah it's not as complicated um which feels weird considering that as a tv show you've actually got a lot more time than you have in a comic book they don't spend it on the things that mean things like oh we're gonna spend all this time with a protagonist let's devote our first episode to really establishing who this is that we're going to be following around and being with with all this time no we're plot plot plot plot plot plot kind of yeah because they're here that the jack was on pause but then it attacks him and then we have a really awkward fight where he's fighting the jackal and it's it's pretty bad and then we see that he's like moon night he's he's quite strong um it's mr night but like not well versed in fighting and then the fight goes out into the street and cars are getting destroyed and it's like okay right so the jack was exert influence on the world so this should have been in the security footage but i guess not um and as they realize civilians are in danger at this point steven's like all right mark yeah you take over and then we have moon night and he he does the the big trailer shot where he pulls his little um like boomerang things off of his chest plate but the funny thing is is that leila tells him to run away and so he just kind of puts them away and then like plans a building so like he only pulled yeah it's weird it's a trailer shot and also doesn't look very it looks weird it does look weird because it's like his hands have to clip because there's nothing to grab really it looks like his hands just sort of clip into his chest a little bit yeah it's very strange they he at the time would have just made a grabbing motion at his heart essentially and then they were like we'll take care of it we'll fix it in post yeah we'll take care of it also like i don't know why there is a lot of like like moon night is a lot of the time it's like cgi when i feel like it could just be like a dude in a suit yeah it needs to be a suit you have the you have disney money you could make a suit that looks cool and it's not complex especially mr night he's just wearing a suit you know i think and so the mist it's it's like it's findings and yeah it's just i can be cgi white like i'm not sure what it is i think that there are suits that definitely do exist there's just a lot of like also cgi as well um but then like they're running on the roof and he like impales the jackal and then he realizes oh i dropped the scarab and then layla sees that that um the eithan hawk picked it up and he just killed some dude for some reason yeah he's done hope i got it did you mention by the way the um in the middle of their fight when they both got rammed into walls um him getting it done is okay but her getting it done is really not oh right she gets ran into oh yeah she should be dead in this fight the jackals are big dumb stupid idiot just like everyone else moon night be super strong but she's not so like that should really hurt um yeah she is just a human being oh yeah just give her a sack of copyright we'll get there also i need ease the lou i will be right back it is kind of funny when it like picks people up and you're just like so what's it doing with them like nothing just kind of picking them up um maybe i was a fool to think this but i thought that we were going to have a really low steak story that isn't like super duper crazy in terms of world implications and everything but um as we would discover in episode three that wasn't that's not that's not what we're getting here it's not what we're doing um wait have you have you played it the part where she got like tossed into the wall oh there i don't know if well you know what i'll do it with this green up so i can find it first i don't know if he was before or after when he's this part maybe now just on the thing of like them dropping the scarf and he picked it up um just so that we don't forget for whatever reason like moon night decides not to just go back to the compound and get it he decides like uh no all right it's a lost cause this is a mother box moment this is a mother box moment a little bit yeah because like you can just go back to the compound and as we'll see in episode three moon night's kind of unstoppable um he could have easily gotten it but i think the syrup should take precedent over the jackal no yeah for sure because it's the it's the key to everything it's like the thing that because the scour of is a compass that leads to the tomb of amit because i want to resurrect her and that's the bad basically it's not gonna be there i found it it was way earlier oh okay they both get tossed by the jackal and uh yeah yeah yeah yeah that does stuff to you in fact i wonder um he'd be he'd have the the lesser hit right because the car presumably yeah you want to get run against a car not a brick wall yeah cars will give a little bit um and again the it's the thing that the jackal is like this woman is just like harassing you just fucking killer just break her neck and be done with it he it's got her grabbed and they do the thing where they have someone grabbed and they don't just fucking kill them it's a jackal yeah it's just like this thing is a ferocious beast it it's just a killer what are you doing are you trying to what are you doing but yeah so like steve uh mark is there he's talking to steven because there's a mirror in the place that he lands and they're having a fight and steven's like i don't like this this sucks and and then steven's like no shut up and he smashes the mirror and then conchue is uh um like conchue is a uh he's just like all right you you're a prick and you're gonna you're gonna help me out buddy we're gonna we gotta we gotta keep working you know you i own you you gotta work for me because conchue's an arse because these characters don't know each other don't know that um and then uh then then they're just in egypt because he's tracked the cult to egypt instead of just going and getting the scarab that night he even found himself a big old bottle of booze in egypt yeah it feels very um like now that you have a fuller understanding of everything he is like uh opening to yeah things are gonna get crazy and i had no idea why he was even here at the end of episode two yet but episode three just tells you yeah he's following the cult he wants the scarab back and it's just like this makes no sense at all he was right next to the cult just go get it the town yeah and clearly like you can get in there and fucking kill ethan hawk if you want to well because what we will see it like i said in this episode is um moon night is kind of like unstoppable he is insanely powerful um to a level that i don't maybe someone can help me out because i mean he's the second most powerful person in this show you might say behind yeah don't you or that's what i was getting at yeah yeah well well you might say um well obviously we're speedrunning this a little bit because like i said we're speedrunning longer coverage in three or four weeks from now um yeah um in episode episode three that's that's we're up so after episode two it was like oh no like that was just the general feeling oh no yeah definitely a big oh no we are we are we were teetering we were falling off of the edge and they needed to that we we were past teetering we'd fallen off the edge episode three needed to roll it a reflex save and grab that ledge and get us back to safety because we have fallen off of the ledge yeah uh it does not do that um well hey since i did one you did two can rags do three if he wants to um or i'll have to open the episode again because i'm not i'm not too good with like the summary stuff going through because from i guess it's always my way no it's all good well i was i was doing that one all from i was doing that one from memory actually i just was trying to pull all of the stuff yeah i got a yeah from memory uh i just don't think i can do it let me do a sure is it not my downloads it's it's it's it's put into a weird spot yeah because someone was asking like so wait who watched this it's like it might not be clear just because of how we're explaining it but um we all did except jay we all did i did not that's why i said one thing in the past hour yeah i yeah so we were going to watch it together and then we did something else like i can't even remember what we did but we something i think we talked about other stuff and then i can't remember yeah so let me pull it up here all right so we open with previously on blah blah blah uh okay oh my goodness he's in the egypt they're the pyramids they are big isn't that incredible and our first scene is kind of neat we have what's her name leila yeah and she is getting a fake passport made and and that's cool you see this lady and she's she's gone her computer box and she's making all the changes and she's putting all the fake info in there and she's dragging and dropping and she's got the stampers and the and the she's making a fake passport it's a really cool little scene to see how she does it the problem is that these two people are talking to each other and they're telling each other all these things that don't need to be said and it's just really clunky and expository and it was like meh but at least the visuals are cool if we're making a passport that's neat that's the not the coolest thing in the episode at all definitely not we have so many cool things to talk about yeah um let's see uh let me scale it forward she gets her passport we get a marvel logo that doesn't fucking mean anything anymore yeah this is so picky these criticisms can be lobbied against any show um i know so um that's not true at all that's that's not true at all that's absolutely not true at all these are not picky these are very these are plot we're actually these are titanically important to the plot into well here's what happens certain questions so like when steven is attacked by the jackal and then falls to the ground why does the jackal just choose not to attack him for a minute can you give me a reason why it wouldn't do that and if you can't give a reason can you explain to us how that's a nitpick yeah like how it's not consequential or that we should just ignore it or that the story wouldn't be improved if that was changed i'm waiting let's see yeah i am curious and this isn't even talking about the scarab and all the other things this is just that one yeah one decision they made why does the jackal just not pursue the thing that he needs to do why is that what happens he sort of disappears for a while well so people in chat who aren't the person who said that have given a lot of uh good ones like fake tension or he forgot we need time for the character to explain to us what's happening with mr. knight we can't have him fight even though you could have done both you could have yeah it's not binary you have lots of choices when it comes to storytelling hmm i was like if you consider it's a dub bobble superhero show it's like what do you think our argument is right now yeah i'm a superhero show but you know what like i have i think that uh superhero shows can be great as well uh because i don't know i don't i don't undermine an entire genre of storytelling maybe that's me i'm just saying it's picking yeah our criticism is never it's a superhero show here it is um i'm just saying it's nitpicking because great shows do it too not that it's terrible criticism for example the narsgul do the same thing in the lord of the rings but we don't criticize it when we're talking about pleno fields they they hit the um the catapult not catapult trebuchets and then we don't see a lot of them and then when the witch king leaves to head toward the roherem we don't see the witch king for a while um but obviously you're just supposed to assume they're attacking people yeah they're part of the army because this is the thing the jackal is solely summoned to attack and take that very beetle if he's done it before yes and there are no window that's almost gg you've almost won and then he just thought yeah go get him there's no barriers between the jackal tonight and that's his singular task there are no other players in the field there's nothing else that he would be doing because that's one job we're sitting there watching steven but like somewhere in this world there is a jackal it's pretty close by it's like in the building and it's not doing anything what is it doing if we weren't if we didn't have the camera on steven and we had the camera on the jackal what is it doing that it takes a minute to come down and disappear when they're off screen they don't stop existing because the camera is not looking at them yeah the jackal lacks object permanence it would seem that way but it's not a nitpick there's so many things we talked about where the plot completely changes because maybe it would have made more sense that he would have lost the scarab if it fell out here if he wasn't if he was attacked immediately and didn't even have a chance he notices the scarab he tries to get it he can't the jackals attacking him and then maybe maybe he tries to go back and get it later or there's something there there are reasons if the end result of this scene is that the scarab is in the hands of uh colt man then there are ways to write that you can do things you have a lot you have options you could change the the the modifiers of the fight and the players involved i mean have there are all kinds of things you could do this is what writing is right but they just don't do it they just say fuck it whatever and that's that um i was also going to say oh no they're expositing while doing menial tasks that have to be done at some point the horror it's like man i want better dialogue you can have your shit i think that these writers are entirely capable of doing that um i'm sorry that you have such a low opinion of them unlike me that i think that they are entirely capable of writing good stories i'm a big fan of dialogue that's that's it that's that's a you probably have to resolve yeah there's great oh sorry character sitting around just telling each other things that they already know for no reason other than to tell each other those things they already know that's just people don't generally do that people don't yeah people just don't do that in the real world i don't i don't uh like whenever i meet my dad in the morning on a thursday for breakfast i don't go ah yes it's my father my father is here and then i get in the truck and he says ah hello son and you know that that sort of thing like it's just not the thing that people do and it's i just i don't like that it's presented as some binary that your only choice is like that to have people say exactly what they mean and communicate everything like exactly as they intend oh hi what's wrong layla you look so distant or you look at what's on your mind what's happening or she says i know that look because they it shows it shows that they've met each other before and they've done similar things like this before but something is particular this time and that something was weighing on layla's mind you're like this shit is i mean it's just off the top of my head and it's better you know these people are getting paid god knows how much and they get all these budgets and they just and it's just i will tell you everything that you know ah yes i also know these things as well but do not forget this thing that also we both know well yes i mean it must have been thought about right you've got to wonder if this is a deliberate decision are they trying to appeal to people who are just like double screening and not really paying attention so that anyone can really just take in the information without really giving a shit about the actual you know story maybe is this is this a deliberate decision to help it be sludge hope it they're wasting obvious that aren't this clunky right well as said i haven't seen it but it seems like it seems like writing one-on-one stuff surely they can find someone capable of that surely they're thinking about all of this stuff but we know they're thinking about it the perspective of making more money i something they care i don't think they don't they don't feel a reason to the idea that you get and why change what who your writers are why why shoot for higher writing standards people eat this shit up why change you know i think it's just that attitude there's there's no pressure for them to get better writers um next scene is unless you know don't be too upset everyone who enjoys the show will do a deeper dive over yeah i will i will rewatch it and give it all of the notes so that yeah i can make you some stronger we're trying to cover all the bigger arguments broadly because um you still got sonic 2 and a bunch of other things to do i'm already three and a half hours in can you believe it yeah boy so anyway rags continue what what what in the world is happening with episode three what's going on here okay well after we get our passport made we cut to the desert the deserts are great our cult is out in the desert and they're following the scarab walking around to the desert on the scarab on foot just having a great time walking around and the scarab points them to where the tomb is and they're like oh my goodness we found her and there's a guy he's got an mp40 that's kind of weird that's all right um they're very very happy they're very very yay we found the tomb of ahmed hooray now that scene's over so they're doing the thing that we knew they do okay gotcha i'd say the only thing to bring up is just like man they fell all that way and and moonlight hasn't caught up to him all right no but that's because moonlight or shall we say mark because mark's in charge now right mark is running on rooftops he's assassin's creeding styling it it's very impressed he loses his hat but he doesn't pick it up i think okay though he can get another one later this is the very same rooftop that um fennec was fighting those assassins in the first episode of boba fan it looks very cool because i am not in egypt it's uh it's the place that green strain the rooftop of mysterious location also i don't know i don't know what this building is but it seems like a strange building yeah i don't know what that does yeah i don't know yeah i don't know what's up um um so mark he confronts these guys on this rooftop and they they they have shiny knives and they have this shot where he throws a knife up in the air and then the camera looks down and it's really strange and i don't know why i don't know i think the idea is that they're supposed to be a little silly like like because mark is like making fun of him for it i think but remember these are the same guys that we end up having a bit of drama with in a moment you know it's not i mean kind of it feels weird um but also that they they're chasing down a guy and they kill him and yeah uh that's how the scene starts like why'd yeah why'd you kill that guy i or oh i had i was gonna talk to that guy what who was that guy uh so this is the stuff i need to rewash it fully to be able to fill in stuff like that if we just keep keep moving because there's obviously a part that we all want to get to yeah so he's he's fighting he's fighting these guys and they have knives and they don't stab but they slash a lot which is how you fight with knives and he licks his knife and that's fun and then mark punches him because he licked his knife and it's very it's very odd there's not even anything on the knife to taste it's just very strange it's intimidating he fights them yes it is very intimidating when you lick your knife it is it is very intimidating and one of the one of these three guys is poison damage hope not not to his tongue i hope no no no you're so lively as gooey so it inflicts poison damage from the cooties okay oh that's right mark you get we don't yeah maybe mark's gay who knows maybe that's why they're getting a divorce because it turns out he's gay i don't know this this is the deep lore um so one of these guys that mark is fighting is a young guy and mark seems to be really a lot softer with him because he is younger and in a kind of a young guy he's like okay i guess like that's something you do um then add the fight draws to an end mark gets one of the guys and he's got a knife and he holds the knife to his throat and in the very shiny knife reflection mark sees the the now dormant uh or the now the hidden away steven and steven's like no don't kill him and then oh my goodness what happens mark he gets tucked away and then he suddenly reappears in a taxi oh what happened he's all of a sudden in a taxi this is not where i was a moment ago that's very strange that's odd he's visibly confused he doesn't know what's happening so he gets out of the taxi when he notices at the bottom on the road leaving the building or the guys that he was just fighting wow okay that's strange one of the young one even kind of looks happy i don't know maybe they didn't know he's supposed to be acting i don't know sure it's strange but well i think one of them says like you let us go yeah mark mark i he gets out of the taxi to chase him down and they're like oh you let us go and mark's like no no tell me what i want to know and then there's a chase sequence and then he chases him again and they run and they run and i'm scrubbing and he goes through the market and there's tim pool but he's buff and he's on a bicycle and he's got a basket on his head and he runs and he knocks over rugs because like oh no this mark guy's chasing us we don't want that that's very bad and he fights him and he punches him away rags i gotta pause you someone chast said why is it a problem he licks the knife here but not in arcane explain yourself right which part in arcane was a guy who licks his thing on a knife and he even draws a bit of blood he licks his he like on his tongue he cuts his tongue on the knife yes oh i can't i i legit can't remember that scene so y'all have to take over um well uh off the top of my head i i don't take complete issue with him doing it in moon night i think it's silly but it got him like punched too so he's just a low level criminal yeah um in arcane uh he's like a presumably a weaker of sorts right um and he's a low level bodyguard of silco i don't think he's gonna be that smart the guy who does that and then um he does get his attacks ready it's not like he's called off guard as a result of doing it while this guy is um he attacks after it like i said i don't really take big issue with it um you'll be fine no it's that's okay the the correct thing happens mark takes advantage of an opening and he fucking punches him so mark chases him mark gets one of the guys and he puts them up against the wall and he says who is number two working for but then there's a there's a mirror there's a lot of there's a lot of mirrors a lot of mirrors here then steven appears he's like hey mark what's up you don't don't hurt him or whatever let him go and then another another cutaway mark all of a sudden is not here instead mark is on a plateau on a desert overlooking maus espa and he oh no he is he has stabbed this guy that he was just holding up turns out he just stabbed him with a knife which is the correct way to use a knife you stab people with the pointy bit and the guy's dead um that it seems as if mark has killed one of the guys and now the only one left is the young dude yes and he goes to the young dude and he's like yo i want to talk to you because i need to know some stuff and so in a stupendously horrifyingly stupid move conchew's voice says take him to the cliff instead of using his knives to torture this person efficiently into varying degrees of pain he instead takes him to a cliff which is torture that's based on a threat that is dumb because if you can't that's not how you torture people actually no way batman didn't do it well he moroni he dropped until his legs fucking broke so i guess batman didn't be different in the dock night but it begins i think he does it to the fat guy um yeah well so i find this interesting because uh mark seems to be uncomfortable with doing anything with this guy because he's young he's like oh okay but um at the same time just um it was interesting because when we were watching it we were like uh don't take him to the edge because if you lose him you lose him meanwhile if you chop off a finger stab slice whatever you can keep going and onl did do it but to be fair it wasn't on hold them by their foot with one arm because that film is hilarious an awesome commando okay everyone should see it yeah it's it's an all or nothing threat but you can't actually to get the info you want you can't let the person die you can't like threaten to kill them because the person knows that like there's no there's no way to escalate it this is all that there is i'm threatening to drop it off drop you off this cliff right instead of using the knife to cut and stab and take off fingers and all that sort of nasty stuff which i think this gets worse the further along the episode you get with how important this is what this represents so i mean we may as well just talk about it now a little bit i'm it coming back represents like potentially the end of the world right we're talking millions and millions dead billions probably are dead uh anyone who does anything that's bad is going to be preemptively killed no so ponchu is the only god who is invested currently in preventing that from happening because the others are not aware of that being the case yeah this guy it may sound ridiculous but this will turn out to be true this guy his info would be enough uh to to tip the scales the gods so um um it is very important that he gets this information right it's it's this is very important stuff you should have enough to work with even without it but he certainly believes this to be extremely the the truth is it even is as important as how important he believes the information to be but the but hipster cultist man he's like no amids great and then he cuts the scarf and he falls down and then we get some resident evil five cgi because we don't we because our stupid idiot disney human brains are not capable of processing what happens when a human being falls off a big fucking cliff it's very important that we extend our cgi budget to show you a very poorly rendered body that has landed on the dirt far below it's very important that they show us that oh i think it's funny i didn't even notice that the first time around because i was so distracted by conch you again i was like there he is it's all he's down there none of this is real except for mark look at that like god but okay they might even have cgi mark fuck it you never know i decided at this point you never just i didn't even had don't even come in today oscar it's fine we'll just take care of it and post whatever i talk about the shiny sign oh yes this so because mirrors are the pathway for communication between the person inhabiting the body in the person who's kind of dormant in the body or who's underneath it right the active in the passive characters it just so happens that they come across a a metal sign that is out at the top of a plateau on a desert and you might think that it is super rusted and worn away no it's actually polished like a goddamn mirror and this allows for steven to communicate with mark and isn't that amazing just like the knife because as we all know all knives are polished like a mirror uh it's it's very very shiny it is very distracting when you see things like they need mirrors to communicate with each other i don't know seemingly because seems to me how do you can talk to him whenever we want yes but it looks like like does that make much sense with we talked about this but how much reflection happens in everything um well yeah because it's in people's eyes and water you could have some sort of reflections on cars and so like like if he was to look at his watch i guess you could show up and then be like hey and then as soon as he turns it away you're like no no chance why doesn't he carry around a mirror because he doesn't want to talk to steven even though they really take way too long to be cooperative with steve by the end of this episode they're actually cooperating with steven yeah it only took three episodes and the world is at stake and it's it's fucking frustrating and also having like a mirror that he carries around could be a big could be a comedy it's like a phone essentially i want to talk to the other one and he's like don't you hang up and then he closes the mirror and puts it up and then maybe you even get a little muffled i don't know if you go that far but it'd be funny i don't see why they can't just be voices in in the head you know i don't know i it's it there's a lot of stylistic stuff they can do that they don't do i guess the thing is to some level it's like cool that you thought of the mirror thing but the problem is now it's like you're relying on it so heavily that it's it though it seems like such a cliche way for like a mirror seems like the the cliche way to get uh alter egos communicating with each other um i mean they do i the only example i can think of is spider-man but i'm sure that's loads of stuff that does it um someone said they don't need reflections to communicate they can talk to each other at any time have you got any references because i can't remember if there is maybe that's the case in the comics but certainly not what we've seen so far on the show that i can think of unless i'm forget i can't yeah i can't think of a time they've talked to each other without mirrors but um it might have happened but what i'm noticing anyway is in scenes suddenly there'll be in a place it's like wow there's a lot of mirrors everywhere it's like then when they don't need to talk to each other there's nothing but um all right so that uh so this is the part where they gotta summon the other gods right that's uh oh yes all right so we enter oh no what are we gonna do you idiot held you held that guy off the cliff oh wait that was my idea but you still did it's your fault anyway we have to we have to go talk to all of the other egyptian gods very casually done like yeah we were like oh shoot we're gonna be seeing this like yeah you are but you know be ready to be underwhelmed um wait no sorry don't skip ahead of the the moon don't oh yes well wait we're yeah that's yeah that's where we're at we're here watch because on the footage is so so like cod shoes like all right so i'm gonna send a message so that the gods know that i want to have a chat with them and it's like all right so what what does that mean uh what it means is causing a lunar eclipse like he can just do that now hang on i would yeah right so you would i think i think the really problem the big question would be what what what have you just done like that's not that doesn't follow there are two explanations for what this is the one explanation is this is all an illusion like there is no eclipse it's it's fake like it's an illusion that he's caused now i don't know what that means logistically if he can cause an optical illusion that creates a lunar eclipse that cascades like everyone's out there sorry solar eclipse yeah i don't know why i said lunar it is solar yeah sorry solar eclipse so if he can cause a solar eclipse um and it's an illusion i don't know how that works logistically but if it was not real then like dr strange is like absolute like all the heroes are gonna be like wait a minute how like what the hell holy crap this is insane um we need to investigate this that is the lesser of the two terrible things that this means the second one is he moves the the moon he actually moves it um now i hope i don't need to explain how insane that is in terms of the consequences of just moving the moon unfortunately it seems like based off of everybody else's react because this is not i don't think this is a vision because everyone in the city sees it everyone in geyser sees this like all the townspeople react to the fact that this insane cosmic occurrence has just happened this might make sense to a culture who hasn't you know doesn't fully understand what the moon really is yet you know a very primitive culture who see who was maybe seen this one makes a solar eclipse this this shit this shit's fucking bizarre there's a thing here like well so i mean i'm talking about like you know let's say you're like you're incredibly primitive right you've you've you just see the moon as a thing that moves through the sky and one day you see it go in front of the sun right um but any like culture that understands how to predict the movement of like us moon you're not given yeah you understand that the moon is a body you can't be surprised by a fucking eclipse no we we know when they're yes you can't you cannot be surprised by it yes i'm pretty sure we know when they're happening like decades from now hundreds of years ahead like absolutely this stuff is yeah so like this is a very predictable model if conch who was like moving the moon this is insane and if it's an optical illusion it's still insane and now moon night cannot be ignored by the broader mcu there has to be some acknowledgement by like dr strange or whatever the governments are that are involved or any number of heroes they gotta he's doing this to then get an invitation like the the the gods will demand conch who's avatar enter the the chamber of discussion or whatever because of this apparently it's significant because that's just costs money why does it have to be their avatars that's the thing why why not just conch you show up i think conch he says he doesn't want to right but then he's totally there when they have a discussion you know he's just walking through yeah he does yeah i i think it's just so that they don't have to animate all the gods maybe which is if you're gonna splurge on your CGI this is where you do it if it's gonna do it so we're gonna make the point clear they go into this like it seems like it's in the pyramid they say it's in the great pyramid which is quickly highlight that on his way to the beating it's just bright again yeah it's all of us it's all bright again i guess that lunar eclipse was like lasted what a minute which they don't typically last that little time but the solar eclipse last sorry solar fuck um yeah call it eclipse um but yeah they go through these doorways the open leads the pyramids and you just see like regular people as like oh hey i'm like the avatar for the gods so like the gods speak through them it's not the actual gods pretty lame kind of very lame actually very lame this this this part is staggeringly lame this is osiris this is like the so the egyptian pantheon is batshit insane it's incredible they got all these weird ass stories in crazy creatures that have all these adornments and symbols and they're very regal and i mean they were they were these things were worshiped as deities for thousands and thousands and thousands of years the egyptian timeline is staggeringly long and if someone says to me that's just his avatar it's like osiris talks through this man okay this is all we get for osiris um and they have a conversation about um basically maths or contry is like hey um um the the um that guy ethan hawk he's evil he wants to resurrect uh arm it and they're like wow that's serious let's get him in here and essentially you can boil this conversation down to do you want to resurrect arm it nah okay well you okay do you free to go like that's essentially yeah this is another frustrating part of the of the of the show where instead of just telling these gods that oh yeah he's got this big evil cult and he has the scarab and he's outside of the tomb yeah he's doing an extra version right now he just doesn't like i i don't get it why i don't understand why they make all the characters stupid dumb idiots i don't get it there's so much evidence to prove it but just for some reason just don't say anything don't say anything yeah this is um an incredibly difficult scene to make when you're writing because it's like right it's all on me now to represent the egyptian gods and how they fit into the mcu every word they say will have massive implications because these guys would have been around this whole time everything i say and how everything i have them say and do is super important and like if you draw from everything you see in here it's like their capacity to view earth is limited through basically their little avatar people from what i understand they don't seem to give any explanation as to why their power seems to have waned they don't seem to is it's that weird middle ground of i'm a god and i want you to know that i exist and respect me and love me but i'm not just gonna like show up and say hi you know it's like oh that's kind of awkward you're kind of a dick uh in the gods of egypt here they're sort of presented as that like oh they stopped worshiping us they don't worship us anymore and they seem to be sort of like upset about that but then they say all we do is observe and that's just what we do and like well so why have you been hidden they are concerned with arm it yes they're concerned with omit and they want to observe humanity were you not concerned with thanos or loki i guess not even though the concern with arm it is millions dead i can tell you an event happened recently that killed a lot more than a million uh well it's the same issue with the turn was right it's like oh yeah we we gotta we gotta protect humanity but we can't like stop thanos from killing half of them even though it actively opposes their mission of having enough people on that whatever it's the same issue here it's like why why aren't you just introduce the pantheon of gods and to the mcu and there's just no well and remember they're introducing the greek gods and are in thought to be promptly killed seemingly by gore the god butcher so we just keep ballooning up that uh that pantheon yeah so when you have like again when you have the ancient egyptians civilization that spanned thousands and thousands and thousands of years like it's mind boggling how long ancient egyptian you know civilization was right we have there's nothing to compare it to there's nothing to compare it to you you think that the way that they depict their gods and how religious that society was and all of the things that they did and the reverence that they treated these these these entities and the way that they were portrayed it sucks to see that finally sort of represented in media like this and they're all a bunch of dumb fucking asshole losers it sucks you you you expect something interesting and cool like oh yeah i can see why this civilization worshiped you for thousands and thousands of years like no they're just dumb idiots sucks um because they they call in totally the man and he just does like the most normal sort of i'm not evil you know what mark is kind of crazy and as someone's point out in chat he has a tattoo of arm it on his arm like he has a smirking stick with obits like the warm base in the crocodile yeah that's right like also there's the aspect of it takes i guess it takes maybe there's some confusion here does conch you not open up the door to go talk to the gods because if that's the case doesn't that doesn't that mean that omit uh omit has to open the door for ethan hawk how does ethan hawk get here how is he an avatar of omit he was a no he's a prior avatar of country right he's not an avatar of anyone he's just his own okay so so conch you can be brought here the door you don't have to be an avatar right here i guess yeah okay all right but yeah that he's just like yeah mark's kind of nuts um there's not well and they're just like yeah okay um mark is the worst thing he flips out in anger and tries to punch uh cult man well conch she does i guess i don't know yeah which uh it better not be conch you because it is even worse because mark is just a guy but conch who's been around for many many many thousands of years like all of these people and there is not one ounce of sagacity that you can pull from any of these people they're all just a bunch of dumb fucking idiots and it's like what have you been uh i just think so we it's a to recap we were very shocked that this was the drama at this point two and a half episodes in and it's all of the egyptian gods have a council with our main character and they're asking him is there actually a cult trying to raise omit and we know it's like good god there's so much proof of this yes and then they're like i don't believe you anyway bye yeah i'm gonna present no actual evidence and the gods don't like say anything i mean they were trying to find omit's tomb right it's literally like a room full of idiots the egyptians have eyes on the omit's tomb can they just go look at presumably that well no remember that she was buried in secret even i don't know where she is oh that's worth it yeah well i mean but okay who knows then because wasn't there like that map that they found the map later on that leads exactly to where it is that causes the thing that you're gonna talk about um at the end yeah i uh there is there are so many sources of information but you wouldn't even need any of them if you just had a rational conch you in a rational mark explaining there are lots of ways to prove this that go beyond my word against his stakes are extremely high in this council right now like this is a very important thing that i'm claiming yes and they'd be like yes and you'd be like why would i be motivated to claim it falsely do you imagine what exactly do i have to gain i'm trying to tell you guys about the end of significant amounts of innocent life yeah billions said probably investigate this fully this man is planning within the next few days presumably to raise arm it to release her from whatever the fuck the situation you do you not think it's worthwhile to keep an eye on this person check out where they live to look at his walking stick yeah someone i believe this enough to risk yeah someone's pointed out in chat that the cult man athon hork would have been transported there from arm its tomb presumably oh you're right yeah that's where he was well when the eclipse happened he was digging so maybe he walked away to make sure that i made so it's like what are you doing in the middle of the desert my dude like especially digging with your whole cult when this guy claims your cult's trying to raise arm it hmm this is what i'm saying like the gods are just like no i want to finish it prove for i'm going to go back to sleep because i'm so busy in my life apparently doing nothing absolutely nothing it's such a damn shame i've i've got a love of i i got a lot of like appreciation and i have i really enjoy like ancient egyptian culture and the imagery and stuff and to see it finally portrayed like this it just so shockingly bad it's it sucks it just sucks so much go play assassin's creed origins so anyway so anyway where were we uh let me open up my thing let me scroll past this stupid i'm gonna give contour warm right they got the roof right they got the roof of the pyramid that's how the pyramid interior is where they have like the it staggered upwards that's that's that's nice maybe they probably did it by fucking accident that's how it's because architectures yeah um let's see uh bubba let me scroll through the meeting of the mines here one of the god avatars meets him before he leaves and i guess the other gods they go around a corner so i guess the other gods of egypt don't notice um and she says what is it what what does she say i legit i just i legit can't remember what she says problem now um when we saw this egyptian god scene my investment plummeted all the way down to negative numbers um yeah definitely we'll have to do is gas at some stuff that she puts him on the trail of thing he meets up with girl they go to place egypt and i guess he's still got fine on him and there's there's friendly person turns out friendly person isn't friendly hope man arrives because i can't remember why this happens i will i will rewatch it i swear um we will but it legitimately is just by this point i was very upset we are so demoralized here is uh they're looking for the map they've got like a map in this place and and mark is talking to steven through the because steven knows all that see it's like ah steven's the brains he knows all the egyptian stuff they can work together but then yeah they get stopped and tell the gunpoint and then colt man's like oh hey look at my crazy power and then fucking like mark just disappears and then he's up on like the roopers moon night he just like they all have their gun pointed out of he's there and then like he just disappears the next he's on the roof that she was pretty oh yeah that was really funny because it's like dude how did he disappear oh yeah because ethan hawk blew up the sarcophagus and then we have an insane fight scene where like moon night is just killing all of these dudes and when we're watching it a thought that we had was these guys are like they're just bodyguards like you're you're trying to steal from this guy uh like as far as they're away you're like a hostile person who's come into his like house his land his uh his property um and like you're just killing these guys like killing them all yeah they don't deserve to die they're just doing their job you showed up you seem to be the with the weird aggressors here you're what are you doing i'll say is the show almost had me in terms of his trying to do something with this and that mark seems to very much not have a problem with killing them but steven does that seems to be and so it's like oh so they are doing something with it it's not the fact that they're not acknowledging that you know they came here to steal something they were then captured and then they were attacked by the bodyguards when they start running away and you know trying to attack back and then they start killing the bodyguards steven takes over when he's seen enough brutality let's put it that way and uh this i realized was the final thread that i had left for this show i was like that's pretty great actually that he takes over the body out of his passion for maintaining a principle of please stop fucking killing people i like that that's neat i do that's good and um what happens is a bunch of them start impaling steven he's like oh oh no okay okay take over okay kill him basically he doesn't say kill him but like he basically rescinds control so that mark will then kill them um and it's like oh damn all right well that's gone that thread is gone so also you can impale moon night with all of these like spears and he's fine he is so strong and you know what's odd as well is that this is like a pretty big character moment to force yourself into and take over mark because you refuse to accept that you have to kill and send people from your point of view but um it's kind of like a funny it's like time out everyone time out okay mark take over it's like wait but oh no this is what happens he gets stabbed stabbed and he's like take over please and marks back and it's like yeah but but i thought but i thought yeah i thought you were invested in protecting them not that much though i mean you might have been inconvenienced but yeah look at that spear right through them we aren't we skip what a shame there was a part where um mark uh protected leila with his cloak while they were getting shot and he flung all of the bullets at the bad guys he just flung them at them that killed my ex-emirator right here there you go that is the thing that happened to this show right there yeah look at that i what could you say you know what can you say um it's yeah also also by the way this i know this is a pet peeve look at the cgi right i mean that so this is supposed to be a cloth yeah like it is it is not behaving as such it looks like the cloth of like batman in arkham city oh oh that's so hideous oh no oh no that looks bad that looks really also fear that this ancient egyptian power gives you this kind of control over bullets that's okay i don't i don't know what this is rags i don't know how you can possibly launch the bullets fast enough from that starting position to actually work as bullets and that they hit all the guys it's it's it's it's all just like in the simpsons when there was that film about the home of simpson who caught the bullet and throw it back into it except this is real it's not a meme um also i was about to say this thing does the uh the thing that annoys me that all the marvel stuff does the stupid like i know it's not nanotech but it might as well the nanotech helmet that comes off constantly the mask comes off it's stupid i hate it i hate it i'm sick of this it's a trope that the mask it's the same reason why chief takes off john halo sorry takes off this mask in the show it's like you can't have you can't have them in the costume all the time or have them emote purely with all of the costume and we've got to get it off at every possible moment it's stupid i'm sick but i hate it i hate that i hate it can we just stop doing that please the stupid nanotech helmets yeah and yeah he deals really well with bullets but uh the spears uh they can pin him right down yeah yeah we could stab through him with our spears but our bullets don't do anything of course i suppose well so uh people would probably make the argument i suppose this is the argument that um those bullets actually are going in him but he heals and i don't know if they it's like wolverine style like they caught the well the cave correct um yeah so if he stabbed from behind i mean the pressure of a spear is different from a bullet but i i don't understand they're just go right through him too yeah i don't know how do you kill moon knight how do you kill him if you can stab him with a spear on it i thought like moon knight now help me out the people who've read more of the comics i thought moon knight was just like a regular dude in terms of his he was like like batman equivalent as a guy um that's what i've heard not that he's like insanely immensely or that like depending on the lunar cycle he'll get stronger but that he's just a regular guy man not supposed to go frame by frame with this yeah look at that looks a little drawn on kind of looks pretty bad because you needed to take his mask off you couldn't have just had a remote with his eyes you got to see that face all the time gotta have their armor come on and off with nano tech can't just be like some armor that stays on constantly i'm so tired of it i really feel like marvel genuinely resents all the comic artists who decided that the heroes should wear masks um i don't i don't know that they resent them i think it's just the stupid thought process of i need to see their face to understand how they're feeling it's the reason why because like no way home was like the peek of spider man taking off his mask like at least in the other films they'd usually have the mask be damaged and that's why it comes off really pulling it off all the time yeah and that one they're taking it off constantly we've got to keep seeing their face um well you make me wonder if the whole point of the mask is for identity and then they're not keeping on as much in that film because the identity is out and they're in a different universe it's like why even have them then well because that's what people like to recognize from the comics because those are the actual costumes that they wear so you've got to still keep doing the costume even if you have actually a level of contempt for them being is it because it's typically is not anything but uh sort of generally you have him with his mask on all the time except for like very critical moments it's like is there anything is there any point to his suit other than hiding his identity generally that's the point is to hide the but i mean i would imagine that having a mask is good in terms of like not having wind and shit and all the dust getting your face nice obviously the stock suits had more but typically speaking like like like toby maguire's one was just for his identity right yeah more so than anything else yeah um but it's just uh i i don't know like it's yeah we i mean people in chat are pointing it out as well it's to remind people big name yeah big actor um it's a constant reminder of them and i guess it's just like lame because there are characters who do have i i like the i mean hot take i like the designs of a lot of like marvel and dc characters as they are i don't i don't need to like see their face i'm happy with the costume i like the costumes a lot of the time they're cool and unique but like the more that you have the stupid and especially here it feels like the nano tech really doesn't work because he's wearing a hood so it's like a hood and mask stuff that manifests and disappears it just looks weird it really does yeah but it's magic but but it's it's just like there is no difference between this and the nano tech like it's the same thing and i'm sick of it um i i prefer to in like Iron Man 2 and stuff where the helmet would like pop up but he'd still be fully in the armor whereas now like we've got to get everything off we got to take it all off um we can't make it talk about halo wow not i mean halo it counts as well but it's just um it's it's this trend can't keep them in that it was one of the cool things about the Iron Man presentation with the we see him in the suit in like the big with the holographic that feels like a good compromise rather than having to take off the thing all the time especially when if the tech and like the armor provides some sort of protection i'd be keeping that on you are a squishy fleshy person underneath yeah yeah most like Ant-Man and the last right when they constantly is it because like remember in the first film how he could like remove the face part but he would still have the helmet on but like we don't want to do that anymore because i'm pretty i i wonder if they even shoot with costumes that have helmets anymore or if they never do it because they constantly want to have the active space and then i don't know i'm just sick of it it's um but it's never going away it's it's become more and more and more common a thing um yeah fight is one yes because the fight is one innocents are killed characters are assassinated it's shenanigans after we watch it because maybe there was more to it as to whether or not this was instigated entirely by our characters i don't know um i don't want to be too harsh on that because i really can't remember uh so i do remember what's sued to come which is the fact that they can't quite read this series of pieces they've got to make this map to arm its tomb that's what the point of it is right or am i crazy uh yes that's right well it's it's maps that uh because what they realize when he talks to steven and passes control over to steven is these are it's a sky it's a star map um it'll show us where arm its tomb is based on where the stars are located in the sky um the reason why he does this by the way is he rips the art he rips the uh side view mirror off of the car instead of just going over to it and talking to steven without destroying the car and then they assemble the uh the star map in the dirt in like the sand rather than on the illuminated hood of the car with his back facing the source of light meaning he can't see he can't see because this is the middle of the hell yeah it's bizarre that he does this all of those things because like you don't need to rip off the mirror thing to explain to steven that you swap in bodies first of all secondly it was laid out on the hood why would you want to get sandal over your fucking map and your tape you fool but this is like a weird thing i don't it doesn't serve any purpose other than just like a thing you do i don't even know what they were trying to get us to do with it like this is a little nitpicky but it's just like you're you're just being stupid oh i'm happy to see this in a pic i still don't feel like it's unfair to bring this up it's so silly it's weird like why would you do this why did you get sandal over your tape and why are you doing this in the dark i don't understand they are they create the map here with all the sand on it and then yeah they're like oh this is a star maps um yes so it was like drawn from where arm it's tomb is based on where the stars were there and so what they realize is oh wait the stars have moved in 2000 years now i'm not quite familiar with this i feel like i learned about this product do they say 2000 well i mean i think it was something like 2000 years i think i think they say 2000 years they need where they were 2000 years ago um now seems so recent so i'm gonna ask people in chat to help me out here how much do the stars move in the span of like 2000 years is it enough that they would be irreconcilable like unrecognizable as constellations i know that it happened but i know i don't know how long it takes for these things to change i figured it would be millions of years not thousands it so the stars so we we're gonna have to we'll be a little bit more specific right so a good example here that they don't bring up in the show but they should is a good go-to example of how the stars can move relative to us right the ancient egyptians they had a north star their north star was not polaris their north star was thuban right because the way the the earth is on an axis spinning around right and that that the pole star will be whichever star happens to closely enough line up to the the point of the poles rotation like polaris the one we have it's getting it's getting a little bit more accurate every year and then it'll start getting a little bit less and less accurate and then eventually in a bajillion years we'll have you know eventually we'll have a new north star i guess that's just how it kind of works right to make it clear the reason why this is the case is because the night sky is space it stars scattered across the cosmos it's every it is not like the sky is not like the sky changes depending on where you are it changes depending on what planet you're on it changes depending on what system you're on it's not like a plain like flat thing cast against the sky of the planet it is space it is our ability to look into space now i know that we all know this but i don't know that the show does for reasons which will become very clear as we proceed i it's confusing because the show i you almost don't know what the show doesn't know based on what it tries to do i don't know if the show is confusing the very very slow if at all perceptible drift of the stars apart from each other or if the show thinks that it's the way that the the the earth is tilting that changes the perceived location of the stars in the night sky which is different because oh wait here's here this is cool as fuck all right hoover dam at the hoover dam which y'all should check out if you're in the area anyone watching it's coolest shit the hoover dam was finished in i don't know like the 20s or 30 i forget right when they finish the hoover dam on a plaque uh it's a it's a floor plaque it's this big thing on the floor that you could walk out and it's it's outside it's by the big art deco statue they have to commemorate its completion there's this huge plaque that is the night sky and it has all of these stars set up on this huge plaque on the the floor that you could walk over and there was a big inscription that basically says that this is the this is what the night sky was when we finished the hoover dam all of these stars this is where they were when we finished the hoover dam and the idea is that it's really kind of telling the the mentality of the people who made it at the time right if humanity destroys itself in a nuclear holocaust if one day there's a there's something in humans leave the planet earth and it's all gone and everything turns to dust right a spacefaring civilization or humans a new civilization of humans find it they can go to this place and by looking at this plaque where all the stars are even if they don't know our language they can look at those stars and they can know the date that those stars mean because civilizations get smart about this sort of thing well it was uh it was the thing that they put on voyager one right they put on that gold plate that had information that they hoped would be understandable and comprehensible regardless of who found it um because i heard the print voyager one it was the kahl sagan yeah it was the it's the whole thing that's got a human a man a woman has got some information on it the word points where earth is i based on information that would be generally comprehensible provided that maths is a consistent um would you have a reason to believe that we'll be yeah yeah well the best we can do right it's the best we can really work with so um clarify um this is more of a question when they stood on top of amit tomb they looked up and went boom boom boom boom boom put that on a map and went there this is where the tomb is cool these guys find it two thousand years later unfortunately wherever that constellation is right now if they line it up then it'll be changed a little bit yeah yeah and i was just about to say like even if because right you're just saying that that one star is moving closer per year or whatever if they're off even by Polaris yes if they're off even by a couple of meters right like that is a problem because you're trying to find the tomb you want to be as exact as possible not there because that's not Polaris's location relative to other stars that's Polaris's location relative to the true center point of the axis of the earth's rotation because the earth's on like a 23 or something degree tilt and so there's there's a point in the sky that's the the axis point around which the earth seems to rotate but Polaris is damn close as well depending on what time of year it is uh because of seasonal chain position of earth relative to the sun that that changes right over the course of well could we uh maybe because because we're all thinking it and there's several people in chat who are already thinking about it should we should we let everyone else who doesn't know know what the other half of this scene is right so yeah so what what happens is they uh they're like oh this is 2000 years old so we can't use this this isn't going to help us and so Kon Shu's like oh i got an idea i got an idea it was a real banger guys so he he and Steven are like all right now do what i do which is some vague hand gestures and what they do is they reverse or rearrange the night sky to look like it did 2000 years ago and this is accompanied by quite a quite a display of what appears to be a reversal of time the the stars spin around rapidly it's very kind of grandiose there are some components to be aware of the first being Kon Shu warns that by doing this they will get their answer but he will be encased in stone yeah this is bad the gods the gods won't tolerate this yeah like this is a big bad move Kon Shu's doing this so they get their lead but Kon Shu will be imprisoned as a result of whatever reason yeah or whatever reason the gods really don't like this so now remember how we talked about with the solar eclipse that one of two things could explain this either it is an illusion or things are physically moving now again i don't know what it means to cast an illusion that changes the night sky but the second option is for everybody who's here but obviously um this is much much much much much much worse if they are physically moving the cosmos because yeah because it seems like everybody can see this everyone sees the sky freaking out yeah like they they they make a point of showing us that everyone in the city looks up to the sky and goes what the fuck is happening look at this and so this is the first thing about the illusion theory i'm like well so not everyone on earth is seeing this right presumably because if they are that's catastrophic but if they're not that means kon Shu can control who can see it and who can't theoretically and and also means he is a caster of illusions on a pretty intense scale well i was gonna get to that but my point was then why doesn't he limit it to just the two people who need to see it not this everyone so it's like i don't yeah basically why doesn't we are forever trying to figure out what the fuck is happening here so i don't mean this is a cool way to all conch you could have said because i was saying earlier right this could have been a really cool way to explain some star stuff and ancient egyptian stuff to the audience because either steven or conch you could be telling mark and leila right so oh yeah the stars don't stay in the same place they actually move a little bit uh conch you could have said oh i recognize this guy this is the night sky you know when we rain in egypt this is the way that the stars looked i know the i know these skies very well i'm the god of the fucking moon so i know the sky pretty well it's kind of my job it's what i do um and so he could have actually a reason to converse with him and explain to them these things but he doesn't it's one way to acknowledge everyone in chat who's saying on the apps for this yes there are apps for this i that's something i guess they don't get a signal or a phone out in the desert oh what a great reason to say this when we were like i'm almost trying i don't have a good signal i don't have a good signal there's no signal in the desert moller come on conch is not the god of wireless think about if this is not an illusion and everything is being moved around so stars that like blew up in supernovas are being reformed um they're all moving around i guess the photon because remember the stars that we see it's a glimpse into the past because light speed it's not like you know it's not instant so like photons are probably must be going backwards right they must be in order to have the night sky be as it was before you would need that the light that existed there before to reverse and travel back about 2000 light years equivalent in order to make all of this happen it doesn't i don't see how this can possibly make any sense at all and if it is an illusion that calls upon i guess presumably memories conch you has why does he not just know these things like how does he cast an illusion of a sky that he doesn't remember if that's possible like what does it even mean are these powers down to earth in terms of pov of earth in this particular location like what i i don't understand how it can make any sense whatsoever like no matter how you look at it and of course the world must acknowledge this the night sky just like moved inexplicably on its own like surely doctor strange is getting involved now or any number of avengers or heroes in this world or governments yeah so and the super chat just came in saying there's a third option here they could be moving earth back 2000 years to fit the star alignment this is insanity it's like yeah that is yes that would be pretty insane that would be arguably so that would kill everyone on earth i think out of the three possibilities that is the worst one for the state of humanity if you spun earth 2000 years back what does that even mean you just be spinning earth you need to move the solar system too and all the stars because yeah earth's tilt itself doesn't change the position of the stars relative to each other it just changes the actual position of the stars in the night sky be clear right when we talk about how we analyze stories with inference they don't tell us the mechanics of this they give us lines that could mean lots of things and we get components that could mean lots of things and so it's like well it didn't spin earth because everyone will be dead right and it's like well i don't know because i don't know if i don't know what i know is that yeah well yeah it's the same with the snap right planets move so if they're teleported exactly where they died they're just going to teleport into space it's like i don't know that the films acknowledge that really i'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt here like this didn't destroy the world maybe it's an illusion but i don't understand the breadth of the illusion and i doubt it was an illusion how can the people in the city can see it why not just limit it to the people there and if it's an illusion that is cast like this through conscious powers does that not just mean that he has all of this information in his brain somewhere like how do you cast an illusion of something that you don't know about like that you don't have information on like what does that even mean and if that's a power he has damn he should be casting illusions all the time it sounds like a basic d&d shit you can't cast an illusion of something you don't know what it what it is you gotta know what a thing is to cast an illusion of it this thing man i i wish i could ask the right of what they're telling me is happening here i do not know we have to try to cover all of our bases here either way it seems to be really bad what are we what's what are any theories chat because i just like do you think there's anything that proves it to be a definitive way because i just don't know once you even said he remembers that night yeah we could have had a way cooler scene where he reminisces about the night that he saw that exactly this is the point where we learn this is where we learned about the egyptian gods you've been around but you're not around anymore and you seem to be upset that people don't worship you but you don't seem to care about popping in to say hello to humanity why are you weak now how come you're just observing all of these this is your point for kanchi to explain or literally reminisce to himself almost because it's been so long since then even for his and his scale this has been many many thousands of years this is a point where we have some character for kanchi which would be cool because he's a really very he's a very prominent actor in this story yeah but they don't instead he casts this mind-bogglingly massive spell the scale of which is just we we don't even know so it's all just terrible brings up the thing that we have talked about the gods having severe consequences implies it's not a simple illusion now that i think is a strong argument except for if this was applied to the entire planet every human is able to see this as it happens that probably is good enough to lock him away yeah this change this is a worldwide phenomenon that humanity is going to be investigating and we'll never forget this is one of them it this is one of the most important yeah yeah um this should turn up now and all the other marvel films going forward but it won't obviously it won't because we don't because this is remember this is the marvel universe if something like this happens it means some crazy shits going on um kind of like how because wow remember though this is like because in eternal is um fucking like a big celestial just pops up above earth and is like hey i'm here and then disappears it's like dude all of these crazy events happening after it's so great that cap just abandoned the present like while all of this crazy shits going on but uh yeah um so yeah this happened and uh and then contru gets locked up yeah so i guess they have no moon night powers anymore presumably and contru said before they did the spell that you need to get marked to break me free like oh um and then Ethan Hall gets to go back to the council place and basically like gloat a bit yeah how did Ethan get here they invited him i guess yeah no like you don't write about contru but yeah see you later you were right he was casting an illusion this is what i mean about something gods it's like everyone everyone get on the phone we got to get to the council oh god what's happened it's like contru contru he's fucking rewinding the sky by 2000 years like wow why it's like i don't care we got to punish him you like punish him yeah but are you at all curious does not concern you that yeah like don't you don't you wonder why is contru doing all this stuff what he's clearly very concerned about something enough to where he's willing to get in god prison to explain this to mortals like does that not concern you but you told him you told him you'd lock him up if you did this again he did it anyway so as i tell you about he clearly was convinced that it was worth it that should be warrant because you're just sitting on your ass is doing nothing for thousands of years so uh just i don't know just for the sake of entertainment if there's any question you should be getting it's that the show is pretty bad um it's i uh i feel like if you would listen to us explain episode one and then episode three back to back it's like how is this the same tv show he's like i don't know yeah um i i have jumped quickly from the story well remember isaac said that this is a more of a character study no it's not yeah it's not it's very plot heavy um i i thought we were gonna get a low stakes low level more intimate story and it's just not what we're getting because it's big no we jump straight to this massive galactic plot where the fate of the billions of lives in the planet is at stake and i don't even really feel like i know our protagonist or any of the rules about anything that i'm seeing because the problem is with what just happened in this episode we can't the broader universe can't not acknowledge moon knight um he can't continue to be somebody who exists in his own little neck like dead evil is low level enough that it makes sense that he could be like ignored even though i'm not sure that he really would be but like he could be left to his own devices more so than this dude who's moving the night sky remember um episode two that fight they had uh is in front of like a series of just normal people yeah that's right like you're telling me none of that like like so the avengers will be aware of a guy called moon knight now if not maybe they don't have his name i don't really care but they'll be aware of a guy wearing a fucking costume beating up things in uh this is egypt right i can't remember was this this was it was in britain and then in egypt we well britain yeah like like look look at this bus you're telling me like nobody on this bus had a phone yeah i just recorded everything that was going on here it's nuts look at them all because he was even remember um you'd you'd have reason to pull out your phone even earlier than this when there's this guy in a white suit going like i'm gonna knock your head in mate exactly you'd be recording that in this day and age so many people everywhere yeah like moon knight's done he's he's already opened up to the world and then he's just doing cosmic level shit anyway why the hell what the fuck huh what hi yeah i had all of it when i was getting my food just what fuck man moving the night sky yeah that was pretty crazy huh it's not just like it's not just like a painting above us man i know exactly in space i think that the writers might think that that's a legitimate concern that i have the writers might be so ignorant of the the world they live in that they think it really is just dots on a sky i think the problem is i don't want to jump to that conclusion but it's hard not to yeah like that's a real possibility it feels so much to me that there is a failure to recognize that the night sky is just our ability to see like it's what we see of space the part the thing that we're in like it's it's space it's everything there's literally everything in space as rick would say and like and and because of course think about it this way because remember what we see in the night sky is a very very very very small part of not only our galaxy but then if you expand it out like in terms of the universe fucking like infinitesimal that we see with the naked eye but of course we have telescopes and we got the Hubble telescope and stuff in space and the new one that we can see a lot further we can see all of that presumably the changes they're making to the night sky are influencing galaxies that we can see that are like 13 billion like redshift what's happening these we can't ask these questions because i don't know that there's going to be any explanation that explains any of it that like the night sky is a reflection of stars as they were depending on how far away they are don't ask questions show you know kind of this is this is absolutely a don't ask questions show this is please god do not ask any fucking questions it has to be an illusion because it can't like my brain keeps defaulted to that i'm like brain you know how much they screw things up right i'm like no i know but the it can't be i don't know what i'm working with here well think about it this way if he can roll anything out if he moves all of the cosmos by doing this how is he not like the most powerful character in the marvel universe even even even then even if we accept that oh he just is the most powerful character in the marvel universe and he can just rearrange the cosmos at will right that's not going to change the night sky for years you know everyone's gonna no it's not something the stars are going to change one at a time depending on how far away they are that's what i said uh jay is that he would have to be like reversing the photons like out of like and popping them back into existence the photons that already arrived on earth from all around space i really feel like it's almost unfair to make the people aware of this because that's like tier four in terms of how poorly written this is they can really get past here what i specifically mean the people who wrote this like i really don't want to be mean but doing this fucks everything up in so many ways you have no idea what you've done and you haven't explained what you've done you've just done it that's yeah just the idea that what we see in the sky isn't the stars as they are it's the light that came from them reaching us i don't think they've thought about that at all well yeah it's um it's just it's like they had a because i bet what it was was isn't it clever that the stars have moved what if we move the back like that that was the first thought that we didn't go to the second thought of the third thought which is well wait a minute what does this mean logistically well wait a minute what about physics and then you just i uh they don't know what the word physics means you keep saying redshift like that would matter yeah yeah it would like it's it's variably going to have an impact on that because regardless of whether you only care about the ones that you could see with the naked eye in order to move all of these around you would have to be moving all of them which means that you would have to be moving like sure it's not consequential i guess if you think about it on like some this is what i mean i don't even know what it means to like consider all of these things in this situation it's insane like surely everybody can agree that it's insane regardless of whether it's an illusion or he's actually moving all of space of course the latter of which is is like much more catastrophic but i just like i this all of this happens after they make it very important that steven tells leila that the egyptians basically invented astronomy right and our astral navigation like they put a lot of focus on how the egyptians came up with a lot of this stuff and how smart they were in terms of the you know stars and things so the fact that they say that and then contry just does this yeah it's like what do you what do you well how do you link these two things together it's it's very it's very strange and um you think about the options they had as writers right they were like we could have it so that he he puts up his hands and then you see that the camera zooms into the sky and you see the stars just moving a little bit and he's like putting them in the place they were 2000 years ago but that wouldn't be interesting how else can we do it's like the fact that everything is spinning around them in what looks like a circle it's just like are you are you implying that we're reversing time by the days because by the way we don't see any like sunlight do we so it's just the night yeah assuming so assumedly he's he's yeah he's not how does that work and what about remember our star you know the sun that's what i'm saying i guess the sun doesn't move no the sun would have to be moving but keeping it would have to be moving it would have to be keeping it back well it's to the back of it or to the back of where they are because the sun never shows up here i don't know also it's funny that it's funny that she has a computer that just knows what the fuck to do with this well uh he just has a tablet and it knows what to do i could i you know again rags i'm just like why even bother with the dress and these bonus bits when we just cannot for the life as fucking understand why the hell they did this and what it means i just i'm so lost at this point it's like the idea of hanging on to any threads of continuity is just blowed open by this moment i have no idea what any of this is i can't believe we did it again in a different way like they keep figuring out new ways of doing like grand cosmic bullshit that ruins everything can't just tell a story about a guy in a thing and maybe it's it's just a it it's local and it doesn't have that many characters and we get to learn who they are and maybe it's just we can't do that it has to be this massive cosmically cataclysmic world shattering and event like all man it has to be bigger and the problem is that it just starts leading to this problem where every single time it has to be the biggest like i'm pretty sure the lowest stake thing that we've had so far was well i guess it probably was one division right that probably was the lowest stake thing that has been in phase four the 1,200 lives nice and low stakes yeah nice low stakes thousands of people because everything else back in the winter soldier was like massive like global consequences in terms of politics lowkey was everything all of everything yeah like what i was that ever was ever will be the whole world it's only home the whole world no way home was like a multiverse basically um i don't i get oh no hawkeye right hawkeye would be the lowest stakes one i forgot we didn't watch that it's the one we missed yeah that's probably the lowest stakes one apparently we get really unlucky with the ones we choose because as far as i know hawkeye is the most crowded hawkeye is the strongest yeah but like uh like just uh and then we look to the future it's like what are we doing multiverse and madness it's a multiverse so it's probably gonna be a big deal you know who would be a cool a cool like uh what are they calling them um alternate characters what are they calling them variants that's the word a cool variant to show up would be ednaughton hulk that'd be neat well i'd be like hey i think that our ednaughton hulk is canonical still yeah this would this would explain this this would explain you know why he looks different in that film it's a different universe almost as though the canon this sort of timeline doesn't include the incredible hulk we saw that's from a different timeline yeah one in our timeline we're just replacing with mark ruffalo but we never saw yeah the one in our timeline would be exactly the same but with mark ruffalo which you know is possible it's it's the case anyway right like yeah so what are we doing with us it's not can it's not canon that he changed his face from him to mark ruffalo what about iron man then what about iron man well the iron man there's iron man so it's not that exists in that universe as we know him no no it rody oh that's good oh that's yeah that's a good question exactly you want to make iron man one like oh well it did happen but it was don't cheat or not tear it down so i mean i mean that that is supposedly our assumption right as viewers that it's always been the same person yeah yeah but it is the same person and they've not canonically changed their face and now the multiverse i guess it's the same argument though you that's what i honestly can like you couldn't make the same argument but it feels wrong which is why i want to be consistent well it's just a bit of like goofy nerdy headcanon right no i know yeah they're all like they're all different very similar universes where the same thing happened but like one person maybe looks different yeah well i mean we are encountering that because in in the trailer for dr strange we've got like three versions of dr strange i think even four and they all look like benedic cumberbatch but with loki we got a shit ton of like different loki's yeah totally different um i guess you know both are possible i guess well yeah because in infinity right i guess there'd be like plenty that look exactly like you and also plenty who don't look like you at all yeah if you had an infinite amount then there would be an infinite amount who looks like you and an exactly and an infinite amount who don't look like you who look like any other it doesn't the arguments and work there's like of all the villains to come and fight sputum and we know them all from the movies like yeah that's possible we've learned yeah it's possible it's like a meta convenience but it's not really a convenience at all mm-hmm aren't you guys excited for the future of the marvel cinematic universe i know i am i mean they've heard us talk about this for ages we were hoping moon night would be good uh as you just saw that i think if they were we're gonna say what's the biggest floor of moon night it's like is there even a question like it's it's the plot it's insane that is hideous um i still don't really know mark even i feel is is is lofty right now uh the best yeah i kind of into a bit of a joke feels like yeah i wish that um all of episode one was steven's perspective and then it would have been really cool to do all of episode two to do the episode again but all of the mark parts instead mark yeah we were hoping that they would do that and it would then maybe leave everything we learned about both of our characters a decent amount we could we could that way we could both jump sort of jump into the plot and explore who we're going to be doing that plot with let's spend the time instead we got all of this we are only half oh sorry if someone if there was a scene they did we're like mark and uh steven are fighting over the body while talking to fucking leila whoever a character and then in episode one you get only half of the conversation then episode two you can put it to to you know you could have someone could edit them together to make the conversation make a hell of a lot more sense you know because it's like you'll keep hearing things out of context on both episodes like that would have been really cool since we've had the hint in this of a third personality how cool would it be if we we did that cutting of these two together but some small stuff was omitted but it was so small that you don't appreciate it at the time and then it all sort of lines up when i want to get out third pov which it seems like we're definitely going to get a third pov character it feels as though um something like hawkeye you could have someone experiment with it i guess in terms of you know creating content and stuff but this felt like the thing that definitely you'll have is you got a egyptian gods for you to pilfer for your story and then you also have just like it seems to be irrelevant compared to the avengers mainline you know like hawkeye is very connected to all of them but this guy is like got his own story he's on his own he's in a different part of the world he's got his own pantheon to deal with as well as all this history it's just like you can do whatever you want film it however you want stylize it however you want i think that's the problem right is if this one is not really anything then i didn't really have much reason to expect anything really great out of like black panther two or like she got out so it's like oh shit that was like our chance really i guess they could surprise me like these other marvel projects but this was the one that was best poised to be really cool and it's not so i'm not i don't know i don't really have much reason anymore to be super optimistic about what's coming out to lame um yeah uh we will keep an eye on the episodes as they come out and once they do i'll rewatch them get some notes ready and we can do an episode going through this in more detail i don't know that by that time we will have any more information on what the fuck just happened in that scene i feel like they're not going to mention it again but we'll see nothing about the end of it yeah we've already mentioned some things that just don't come up again like the goldfish growing its fin back just seems to have happened oh no that's a different goldfish is what it was and it's a different fish oh was it yeah oh is that what it was i might have missed the detail i thought it was like the fish died and yeah that's what i was saying that yeah so marking and attempts to appear as though everything's the same as he bought another goldfish yes i could have ripped the fin off that bastard also i think that um yeah and then from the first episode how he doesn't have control over his body that just doesn't ever pop up again and it would have been very useful on multiple occasions i'm sure but it just doesn't really ever come up again they have played very fast and loose with when they can take over each other very annoying also my computer turned my fucking mic down i mean just notice thank you all right i don't want to hear you this whole time at least we have so one person chat said why do you sound so quiet and so i was like hopefully everyone could hear me up to this point pretty well i heard you very well okay most good uh how we move on to yeah the lost of the main topics all right sonic the hedgehog Sonic yeah yeah now all we really need is we're just going to react to you for you that's basically it okay why do you want like a summary of the film or i don't think you to go to do heavy into it just just well maybe a quick summary of the plot and then how good was the movie yeah i'll do the summary of the plot so the plot is sonic is chilling out with his buddy tom that he met in the first film he's hanging out but he wants to uh he wants to do hero stuff he wants to go out there and be proactive and save people and we see that at the beginning of the film that he's like in the city trying it but he's reckless he's irresponsible his uh it seems like he's more so motivated of being a hero partly because he thinks it's cool and stuff going out there tom is telling him you know i'm coming tom is like you know it's being a hero is is about being responsible for other people you gotta you know you gotta look out for other people and you don't pick the moment when you're going to be a hero that moment picks you so then uh toman is his wife go uh to hawaii because uh her sister is getting married sonic's on his own uh but eggman who got stranded in uh in like this alternate uh the crazy weird mushroom world he's back uh with knuckles the echidna played by isha selba um who's very good in the role but we'll talk about that later and uh basically uh what what's uh the central plot oh uh the central plot is that knuckles has some sort of rivalry with sonic that is derived from uh like the past in the world that sonic used to live in before he became he came to earth um and he is looking for something called the master emerald which is like an immensely powerful artifact but if you have it it makes you super duper powerful there were wars back in the weird and the alien world that they came from and that's what they're after and that's what dr eggman now wants because initially i think the plan was just to kill sonic but um the plan shifts that we're going to get the master emerald but sonic while he's fighting knuckles gets saved by tails and then they uh they get a map that goes super duper crazy and it tells them to go find the master emerald and so that both of them these two teams are on a race to get the master emerald they go to cyberia where they find a compass um and then they they go down the slopes the mountain slopes having a big battle um sonic and tails narrowly escape but tails are seriously hurt and uh knuckles is also confused by the way that sonic is behaving it's like why is he hmm like he's saving his heart like he's acting really odd he's not acting as ruthlessly as i would have expected based on what i've heard of him um and uh they escaped by basically getting into a wedding um using these rings that they have that teleport them all around the world tails is really badly hurt and sonic is like oh well i i this is my fault like tails got hurt because of me because i wasn't good enough so i'm gonna go and do this on my own i'm gonna go and stop the bad guys on my own um which he's able to do because the temple that they're looking for that the compass leads them to uh just so happens to be pretty close to where sonic ended up by pure chance because tom went to a wedding in hawaii they go to this temple they find the master emerald sonic and knuckles have a fight and while that's happening uh eggman gets the the the master emerald against super duper duper powered up um and the temple starts to collapse and knuckles gets pinned under some debris underneath water sonic goes to get him and saves him but sonic can't swim um and then knuckles comes down and saves him and then the two end up on the beach and have a conversation about friendship because knuckles is confused as to the reason why sonic would save him when they were opposed to each other and sonic's like well i'm not not gonna let you die that's not something i'm gonna do and knuckles is like hmm i've been given reason to reconsider my grudge against you and just my perspective on the world let's see who is writing this show that's literally what the dialogue would be think the dialogue isn't like that sonic the hedgehog i would i would literally yeah you've literally get character writing out the thing that i had but uh they uh they use their little portal to go to green hills which is the town that sonic lives in on earth where eggman assembles this crazy robot using his chaos emerald powers um sonic tails and knuckles team up they fight eggman they get the master emerald out of him it breaks apart for some reason and then it splits into the all or seven chaos emeralds um and sonic is stuck there with the robot coming down on uh coming to get him he's there with tom and his wife and they're like we're gonna stick together because we're family we're not gonna leave you here and then he uses them uh chaos emeralds to go supersonic and then destroys the robot whoa um wow and then after he destroys the robot and eggman is presumed dead he releases the chaos emeralds and they go off into space because he realizes he's not ready yet that moment will come soon but he's not ready for this kind of power um and then sonic towers and knuckles are playing baseball uh but knuckles isn't super familiar with the baseball he's never played it before but he's having a lot of fun um and then uh that's the end of the film but as the government people are scouring the other wreckage of the eggman robot they mention a secret project 50 years ago oh i know what that is and then we see this strange facility and sitting there is shadow the hedgehog he's gonna be in the next one shadow the hedgehog he's gonna be free i don't know who's gonna play him he was gonna play i want to know knuckles i'm definitely gonna be there watching that it's honestly like it's never like it's it's always been tragic but it's never i feel been more tragic than it is right now that christopher lee has passed on i mean i guess they're probably gonna get keanu ribs or something i can easily see that keanu reef feels too obvious it does feel chris pratt and that's the most obvious no no stop it chris pratt feels like no obviously that was that would be a joke yeah but uh but i mean who knows right uh but i guess uh yeah that's those are the broad strokes of the plot the tl dr is the plot's pretty bad um but the character work is fine i don't know if i call it good but it's it's it's mostly like there um it's it's it's really straightforward but it's functional which is worth something i would say and it has a theme uh that is actually like reinforced consistently in the story with events that make sense my god um so yeah it's kind of like a three or four out of ten is probably it's somewhere there i i don't know what i would say but i enjoyed it i liked it i didn't laugh at it but there are lots of parts that made me smile um like when i saw sonic tales and knuckles standing there doing their hero pose ready to fight egg man i was i was like this fucking cool this is like i like this this is really neat um and i mean when we talk about video game adaptations sonic the hedgehog too is far and away one of the more faithful video game adaptations at least i guess if we're appealing to some vague general idea of like um kick guy spoiling movie this that was your mistake my friend like you should have known that we were going to be talking about this he started off by telling you what the plot was from the very beginning like when did you decide that he'd spoiled it off yeah that was that wasn't you i and trust me like we talked a lot more about the nitty gritty and moonlight than i just gave you for sonic all right like that's we are we kind of like two apparently i i i you know what it probably is like i in fact i think it might be because like at least the character is a relatively consistent and it has like a theme that is reinforced uh decently um what was that the university on it was the big the big issue that sonic the hedgehog has from plotting is convenience and um the general speedster issues sonic is incredibly fast but his powers are used incredibly inconsistently the clearest example of this is uh when they're in the temple it has the master emerald like eggman standing up there is about to get it but he's doing the hero speech and like ha ha i manipulated and used use shadow the whole time i'm there i'm like dude sonic you could like grab that before before yeah knuckles yeah all i was thinking was you can grab that before like before eggman could blink like you you can get that but you've just chosen not to because we forget that you have these powers and like the the speed at which he goes is like sometimes he's hyper fast like quick silver x-men days of future pass fast other times he's not that fast um and then that just causes like plot issues it's a pretty standard one um convenience being things like uh the clearest one is that um tom goes to a wedding in hawaii like he goes to hawaii for this wedding and um he has a ring that he used to teleport then sonic gave him one that he could use to teleport back um unfortunately while they're in Siberia getting chased down mountain sonic loses all of his rings there's an avalanche and he needs tom to use his ring to get them out safely and that's what gets them to hawaii which is in relatively close proximity to the temple that he needs to go to the like eggman and knuckles found because they got the compass not sonic it's like shit man if they went on like their honeymoon or they had their wedding in like florida or i don't know like france or spain or just anywhere else you'd be fucked like you you'd be over like eggman would get the chaos them or kill knuckles and destroy green hills so it's super lucky that that's the case no other examples of that too that um there's like a dumb plot sequence where they try and where like they get captured by the government in hawaii and um with a girlfriend or like tom's wife and uh the woman uh her sister like they get tails um equipment and they use it to fight the bad guys and it just works exactly as they need it to when they have no idea what it does and they probably could have killed some people with how recklessly they were using it but it's like yeah it's it's it's it's wonky it's quite wonky from a plot perspective um how's it doing do you know uh it's it's the biggest video game opening ever uh more so than uncharted it's making a lot of money people really like it they've already realized it's doing better than uncharted i feel like someone's just got some kind of this this allura power to it that's just very approachable probably well so because uh yeah the film's the film's made a bunch of money they've already greenlit a third movie and a knuckle spin-off show um wow with it yourself yeah they are um oh yeah that's right so we're talking about the characters right so sonic central arc is um that he wants to be a hero but he doesn't really have a great understanding of what it means to be a hero and it's like what tom says right you've got to be responsible for other people tales who i think is pretty flat in this film doesn't have a whole lot going on with him he's much more a prop in sonic's story whereas knuckles feels like he's his own character with his own stuff going on like through tales he finds a friend that he doesn't really have because he never kind of had the capacity to make friends it's like a little blue hedgehog in a human world um and while he's off doing the hero stuff in Siberia sonic like tales getting seriously injured leads sonic to the erroneous conclusion that like in order to be responsible for other people it means to be on his own and to like not endanger anybody by doing everything on his own and that nearly gets him killed um and so like the realization by the end of the film is that being responsible for other people doesn't preclude him from having friends and working together it's like a really straightforward simple arc but i think it's effective um meanwhile knuckles is uh and i think i've said this a few times already i think this is the best version of knuckles like in anything um i definitely prefer this version of knuckles compared to the knuckles you typically see in the games who's like a doofus um here it's like he's naive about the way that things work he's a little bit he's not like he's not hyper intelligent he's not like tales tales are super duper smart like knuckles isn't like a genius but he's not an idiot and he's definitely bound by like core principles like uh you know he has perceptions of like honor and integrity um that are kind of like core drivers for him uh and that's the reason why it's like he finds sonic confusing because sonic is doing things that are like not strictly pragmatic or like he's operating on a way that's honorable in a way that he wouldn't expect considering they're meant to be adversaries and then it's just like yeah coming to the realization that it's like it's not quite as simple the world isn't quite as simple as he's made it out to be and that he can make friends here and he's just naive he's not stupid i like that as a change and like what we're talking about having gravitas for characters in a story like that knuckles the echidna played by idris oba has an oddly high level of gravitas it's like he does a good job i uh i like um i like uh knuckles in this film a lot i really like idris oba is playing the character he's my favorite part of the film like i said though tan was pretty flat he's basically just a prop in um or he's more so a prop in sonic's story than his own active agent and um eggman's just kind of fun because it's jim carry going nuts it's like getting to go wild and um and have fun with the character it feels like he's really having fun with it and it's fun to watch him like i said i didn't laugh at this film once i think the closest i came was the dot dot dot thing but otherwise it's just like yeah it's fun it's quaint lots of uh there's lots of references though which i'm not sure i feel about that lots of like pop culture references and um like sonic is constantly referencing movies and and and stuff but like modern nothing from the 90s or anything does he reference sonic won the movie as a movie no um okay that would be that would be weird but funny see at any point say ha ha ha one no no but but like well so one of the ones that stands out is like when knuckles is chasing him on cyberia he says oh great the winter soldier it's like this joke doesn't make sense to me like is it just because we're in cyberia because there's nothing about knuckles that's winter soldier um he's he doesn't have any crazy memories he's not like mind control agents red maybe yeah but like i don't get the reference is what i mean it just seems like a oh other than it's in the winter is it just that he's red well he's also he's also a mammal uh well no he's a uh what's it called the specifically oh yeah that's right it's like a monotone or something yeah that doesn't mean mark tree the kidneys the kidneys are their only weird fucking thing um maybe maybe isn't a kidney well maybe the winter soldier is a monotone we don't know who knows yeah um but i mean it's not a big deal i guess though i i guess something that i've been thinking about a bit it's uh i really want some of the because i've been thinking about uh like the sonic games that i like kind of in the wake of um of uh this film and thinking about it like sonic mania had these really cool 2d animated trailers that were like you know rooted in the old school classic like 90s sonic um i uh i i think i really like that version of sonic a lot more than like the modern sonic and uh i guess as a part of me that's like man it'd be really cool we have like a 2d animated like i know that they made one in the 90s but like a 2d animated rooted in the classic like sonic um sort of art style like that style but i i guess that's kind of never gonna happen like uh um yeah on it do you have any questions or because there's nothing else really than i got i i just yeah man i i don't know i just don't know what to ask about sonic uh how's jim carrey all right i i uh i i liked him um i thought he was fun he's having a good time he's pretty straightforward he just wants to take over the world i'm trying to think of what question i can ask is more specific but i don't know i know it's called mania adventures i meant a film though like i know that they made many adventures it's really cool i'm just saying i'd like more of that um but i guess we're never gonna get that really yeah i'm trying i feel like there's a question to ask but i don't know what it is about jim carrey's performance i guess it's uh it's well because it's um it's different from like eggman in the games generally like um he's much more zany than eggman typically is but i like he's not zany well he is a little bit but he's not like um but here they sort of dial it up he's definitely not doing lots of crazy like spins and stuff they're getting a belly yeah no he's got the mustache though um are they gonna are they gonna make jim carrey gain shit tons of weight for sonic 3 apparently apparently jim carrey said that he likes the idea of actually playing like fat uh eggman but he's also apparently said that he might be retiring which um i'd be really upset if they didn't get him for the next one i'd like for him to play that role again even if that's the last time he does it um well i suppose that does it for that and we can move on to the quick fire around surprise uh if you if you like sonic the hedgehog you'll probably enjoy the film i like that um yeah but it's it's it's definitely got like plot problems and it's not like it ain't some high art or anything all right like you're it's pretty straightforward standard film but i mean i guess in the current landscape something that's going for uh a really simple straightforward thing that kind of does okay maybe that's worth something i guess but i yeah my uh sweet well um i'm gonna get a drink real quick i'll be right back well i'm getting a drink i'm about to start the quick fire round quick fire oh that's not how it works it's like i i start up a thing and i show you a thing and then you guys say what you're too slow no it's not slow you're being slow not that quick you're doing it so fast ridiculous all right topic four halo this is pretty bad so far oh is that that is the topic it's yeah no but we could spend as long as it takes for rags to get back to talk about it oh well yeah but the problem is now i'm two episodes behind i'm not caught up at all yeah you haven't seen his ass yet i well i have because i'm speaking people are posted about it like it's uh it gets around i've seen a clip as well where apparently one of the spines like they remove these emotional regulators at the face of their spines and so she uses gun oil to dye her hair red um that'll set me that now i imagine that there are a lot of problems with that one like i'm pretty sure gun oil is not hair dyed or just wash out two it probably smells really bad and three it's probably very flammable um sorry the main problem with that is it's cringe it is cringe um now i i yeah uh i just i man that's sure like like i like they're emotional inhibits of breaks or whatever they go through an emo phase well it's just um if if if we know because we do know this we see it in the show that they have a pretty good ability to track what's going on with the spartans can they like not know when an emotional regulator's been removed from their body is that something that they can't keep track of because surely that's like a problem that they're not going to be chill with um also i don't remember that being a thing in halo i always thought that uh generally it was just the spartans became this way through like really intense training and an attitude that they cultivated as a consequence of it i never like that's not or is that or is that just some like extended law thing that i'm not familiar with i have never come across that but i'm not that deep in halo well i i just know three of the yeah it's it's a show thing i thought so i thought so yeah um i hate that i uh but i mean and people keep talking about how they keep removing chief's helmet we talked about that with moon night but i mean i rewatched some cut scenes from halo three because i was rewatching the uh oh brave new world documentary from bungee and i saw lots of cool stuff in there that reminded me of the games there are so many times in the games when chief emotes just through body language and he doesn't say a word um it's you can have him in his armor all the time and you can even have him talk more than he typically does in the games and you can still have him a moat but like they didn't play the game so they don't even know that that's like something that's possible like just because i don't know like a lack of imagination like you can't just because a lot of the time it's like chief will just put a hand on someone's shoulder he'll throw like a nod uh towards like an odst or like when um when or when someone gets killed obviously like in the games you usually see it pretty clearly in his body language that he's upset um like chief is definitely a human being even though he is like a even though he is pretty close to a blank slate there are so much characterization that comes from chief the big one being that he does care about other people like he is not cold and detached from the suffering of other people he wants to protect people and help them and make them feel better and put them at ease like chief emotes through body language but we just decide that he can't do that we need to see his face constantly otherwise we don't know what he means or what he believes it's and i mean especially when there's like no reason to take off your helmet like in so many of these circumstances like you want to keep your helmet on and your armor dangerous territory that you're in like in this space station someone could snipe you they can't do that if you're wearing armor i mean i guess if they landed a headshot in its video game world but yeah i don't know i gotta catch up um but i have very little optimism about that show pretty painful people keep making bad things well so the really fun part people keep liking bad things i say it's fun but it's not um halo got renewed for a second season before the first season premiered i wonder if they think that was a mistake because it feels like the engagement with the show is like is it the engagement is is way poorer than i think anybody could have expected for a halo show um like you see videos on youtube that get uploaded like directly from paramount they have pretty low viewership um all of our months own upload of the entire episode doesn't get that i think had like in a day it had like less than 100 000 views a halo show the budget in excess of 100 million dollars yeah and the marketing's been insane i see it on buses and shit everywhere ads like it's like we have more popular youtube channels than that what's on like halo it doesn't wow halo is a brand that's been that was i was getting real sad when i was watching that brave new world documentary it's like dude halo like halo was dominant and cool for a long time and now as an ip it's it's it has way less value than it used to like nobody really cares anymore um or at least it feels like at this point like nobody really cares and the halo show just um i don't know i think infinite showed that there's interest in halo that the game's problem is just keeping people playing the game it's but people absolutely have the interest in halo no if they made a really cool halo show people would have watched it they would have showed oh oh pardon me but they didn't make that well now that's a teaser beneath app to come one day i'm sure um but now however i'm just gonna show you guys some stuff some of this cringe some of this interesting for other reasons and who knows what you'll get a cringe on the cap this was shared on the web i would be cringe i like to give you guys some cringe here and there you guys seem to enjoy cringe so i'm sorry but you know maybe i'm wrong maybe the stuff isn't cringe and you agree with it i don't know i saw this posted on the interwebs and i decided to keep it for good old this um i i feel it's welcome for anybody to give a read there it's a little fun fact fan theory um ha ha oh really the fan theory seems to be source wall disney studio motion pictures i guess for that picture for the image ray only defeated kylo rin in their first battle because he expected her to be trained as a jedi and better at using a lightsaber her lack of skills threw him off and let her get the upper hand which is of course what training does that's how training works the least trained actually wins contrary to popular belief this is brought a video to mind that i want to show uh it's like 20 seconds so so let me find it and put it in the chat yeah here here we go um this is this i feel is just this video on its own is the perfect response to that okay wait because we're gonna need watch together anyway so let me uh oh my god you all in jump jump right in folks get comfy all right and i will play whatever this is scalagrim and it's called the the ultimate unbeatable fighting style this must be talk about wards wards we seem to be missing someone i'm in there we are all right do it on voluta techniques like the spinning attack or the reverse grip some people try to argue that they are useful because they are unorthodox because they will confuse the enemy and then they will get the upper hand because the opponent doesn't know how to deal with it well correct that is mostly how combat works i believe uh you remember the bad woman episode she had that weapon that no one would ever use that's precisely why she used it yes that's why it worked really well against someone hitting her in the head with a vase yeah well that that's the weak spot if you will so it was very clever yes clever that they used that almost worked almost worked i guess in that case i've just invented the ultimate fighting technique to be fair who's beating this nobody buddy whatever this see yeah yeah he's right yeah he's gonna make it dominate he's gonna dominate he's gonna i'm trying to think like a clean so he's gonna mop the floor with or he's gonna make a clean sweep of the competition or he's gonna i don't know there's something there there's something there no to kill them seems only natural that i that were on star wars vaguely so um you know i released tfa part four and there were different comments here and there on different forums about the nature of the video even on the video itself um oh that's who would like to read that this is a comment about that very video anyone welcome to give it a shot well it's about tfa part four i'm not sure if it was on tfa part four but hey uh i just read it at the first part yeah wow this is the last emil kadra okay um let me see i strongly recommend author of this video to seek professional help only someone with severe mental issues can make a two and a half hour video about seven-year-old movie true everyone normal when they see a bad movie they are disappointed sure may even maybe even angry that they just spent a couple of hours of their life watching bad flick but i feel like this needs an accent but in the week or month they no longer think about that bad experience sure they remember that that particular movie is bad but why should they waste their time because of bad movie they already waste more than enough so normal people moves on only someone who is mental still wastes his hard time to keep talking about how bad that the movie was even though seven years later everyone knows and no one cares because that's what normal people do like where's the lie this guy's right i shouldn't be talking about tfa anymore really that was seven years ago wasn't it yeah that was a lot of that was a lot of truth bombs and not a lot of time i will say that i like that he said remember you know they remember this is the same writing style as that copy past so it's like all women born after 1993 know is eat hot chip and lie it might be the same person and lie yeah yeah yeah i mean listen glad the mirror was stilly over here he's had a he's had a tough life with the ladies so he's just trying to help me and i appreciate that um so meanwhile while he is trying to help there was a good old forum was like molar uploaded again and then someone had a top comment was just like why would anyone watch this though and then uh when i was like well what's what's even in this that it takes this long we got this little back and forth right here yeah i got a little quotations this is an assumption of what's in the video well uh in star wars episode seven rey has rights and considering women's rights were in a thing until the 1900s it's unrealistic considering star wars is set a long long time ago which makes this film political why did 60 people like that well because that's to be fair that does sound like something that would turn up in my videos doesn't it why i i mean it must be fun and easy to argue with a non-existent person like like wait what i don't think i've ever said like they made it political rey doesn't have rights in episode seven exactly that's the outrage i think the true outrage she's she's just like a scavenger like works for like basically isn't and then basically indentured servitude for scraps of food kind of yeah the fuck this college people exactly so i would have found it realistic and then you got lost mouth of what and they're like you haven't watched a single molar video and it's obvious negative 37 people dislike that they were like of course we have this is exactly what he says well no because they followed up with a great one which is why would anybody watch want to watch them all the videos like how do you have this circular every time like you could you could always justify everything wow moeller said this lol no he did you haven't watched it why would i watch it but it must be nice to live in that world where you can simultaneously never watch anybody's content and dismiss it as dog shit the same it's clearly a joke it is a joke but it's the underlying element of the joke is this is what i do in my videos i talk about how things are getting too political people really need to understand that jokes can imply things and like yeah have an underlying sentiment like just like any other kind of speech it's kind of like it's just a prank bro like almost it's just a joke bro it's like hold on what what are you saying about something wait i mean the joke isn't that like the the aspect of like not understanding this being a joke right would be someone reading this and saying i can't find that quote anywhere in the video exactly this is misinformation right and then you'd be like that's clearly it's a joke that um well and and if everyone in the room laughed and then one went it's so funny because it's the complete opposite of what he'd say they all be like huh no no it's funny because that is the kind of shit that he says and then someone else is like is it and then someone else goes yeah do you not know who Mueller is and they'll be like no i have no idea does he is this is he cringe and he says stuff like that and they'd be like yeah yeah yeah yeah if someone went do you say literally that they're like i don't fucking watch his videos to find out if he literally said this quote like they have that moment happen and they're just like that's fine i don't watch it but i know what's in it how is this Mueller's fault um you know it's it's a never-ending it's like there are um there are people in the like i don't have enough time to keep tabs on everyone in the world there are people in the world that i assume if i got to know better like the kind of stuff they did i probably wouldn't have any respect for it but i don't go around writing shit about them most like it's weird how people how many people are oddly comfortable with coming to pretty harsh conclusions about not only Mueller's work but his character based on like nothing stuff they haven't seen anything yeah or like something that they heard that isn't even true or like a really warped retelling of some sort of events it's like chinese whispers is very much a thing that happens on the internet big time like i don't know shit about rush limba i assume that based on what i've heard about him i wouldn't like him but i don't know i don't i don't know what kind of do you often go into comment sections yeah i don't know what a fucking loser like yeah i don't do that shit um so again i'm talking to someone this is something that someone linked in the subreddit i just thought it was funny in terms of an arc all right and we've all been on this one okay everyone's familiar with this except for a few where you watch force awakens and you feel a certain way and uh let's just let's just see what that way is for no anything to this particular youtube but this is just a funny thing to have as a comparison in japanese and english is incomparable it's completely alien and you have to always change your way of thinking but i remember sitting in this pub and talking to my friend asking for hours on end i may have gotten the wrong timestamp i don't know hang on yes i did i was a minute out gosh dawn everyday life in japan ten essential questions answered this is the video where yes yes uh don't it's a particular snippet of which the results will be announced in the next few weeks if you enjoyed this video please don't forget to hit the like button if you want more and i wish you all a merry christmas and for the record the force awakens i would give it an 8.5 out of 10 it was pretty good definitely worth watching see you all soon so it's just like good old-fashioned normal then they link this video from this person a little while later well i guess because like it's a weird subreddit post i think it even said like he went on an arc or whatever but uh i love star wars but there's only two it was 35 55 in this gosh difficult to get right boy okay the same dude he's on like a little podcast i suppose all right 35 what did i say 35 55 yeah you did say that okay good uh we are dying that'll this is a very purple room that'll this is a very purple room it's very regal very i don't i don't dislike it i don't dislike i like yeah it's it's a fine it is a fine shade of purple i approve of the purple very good imagine star arrived late the jango jetpack bit was the pettiest thing i've ever seen on on e-fan my dude this is that was the pettiest thing you've ever seen oh come on fake fan detected do you think they took the court thing seriously they were like more was treating rags jay and friggy as judges this is the lowest i've seen you fall like you okay well you've been pretty petty right now the funny thing is the dude who made the comment was in a like seemed to be aware of the memes like don't worry you'll be okay super chatter don't worry about it you're gonna make it i'm leaving you anyway the walls but good it's not petty to call it okay oh did we miss it did we miss it two films in the series that good the first one the second one came out in nineteen ninety ninety seventy seven nineteen away eighty oh every day so four and five yeah can you say first and second i was like Christ Jesus Christ dude i love the first and second film all the prequel memes yeah oh yeah they're pretty good three prequel memes are the best memes but i want to swallow it he swallowed a pill of some kind i just i just thought it was a music when i followed the purple pill he just said like yeah the fucking i love star wars there's gonna be two films in the series that good it's like something happened along the way you can probably find several clips of me out there no same for me i'm i'm sure as i was saying a lot of people went on that are they do and for the same for me i liked it when i thought it was really good when i first watched it although long time ago i'd have to rewatch it but i might still still stick to row one being good i have not seen it since it came out i've only seen it the once yeah i'm in the same boat i don't know probably not but maybe if i was gonna gamble on one of them actually being good that might be it i mean do we do we all know do we all like remember it as good because it actually is i don't do like the same thing as i was awakened but it's not a significant so it's a state escape criticism as much i don't think i don't think i think of it as good ever i thought i only ever thought of it as the strongest one um i mean good i mean it's been too long since i've seen it now so my opinion on it's so fucking worthless that because i just barely remember most of it i didn't hate my life after i saw it so it's got that going well i didn't hate my life first watch the fours awaken well it's a nice time but the thing is that thing was purpose built to make you feel nice when watching it do a watch and row one wasn't row one was sort of like yeah you sort of grim in many ways it was a bit slapped down a bit well i mean i'd be curious i still want to i'm still really curious about what the original cut of that film was so um hey jade you want to take this one so a small comment all right i just i feel like it might sure of a punch are you reading it uh gotta get that tone right okay all right what what kind of tone are we looking for here whatever you choose and don't worry i will explain the context of this quote after you read it i don't think i heard a single actual criticism just chimps howling and asking for the answers to questions immediately lamau efab this is some objectively shit content you're putting out get it together lol i wish we could see the dislikes on this video because i know it's fucking bad what is this video right also you can see the dislikes very easily i was about to say first of all he could if he wanted to well i guess k-lab could be a deal's name theoretically i don't know they the the access to imply that a girl could be this dumb that is that is rude to me i'm sorry but uh the i think we should refer to them by their surname they are of an opinion and they could have gotten the answer if they wanted to but now i think it's amusing this video concerns the four of us plus metal what video is it i feel like it's unfit to make you guys guess oh oh oh you're narrowing in on it yes it is book of boba that episode which is a particular episode oh no i mean episode six no no it's gonna be an early one because as they're complaining we want everything explained immediately right hmm um so it's what's the one with like episode two then maybe it's episode five well i guess right right right got it uh it is the gun train they are set with our coverage of the gun train which by the way i thoroughly enjoyed watching back i thought it was great that little episode we did but then again i had a lot of fun doing the whole book about that thing so shall we discover what the likes we're at at the time let's yes yeah let's take a look let's see how much people hated the gun train ah dude that's 10 people that's almost a dozen this is a this is one of our best ratios you bought it what's the what's a normal what's a normal e-fap like this like ratio we hit like 95 percent around about that we um we're planning controversial this episode i'd imagine after everything we've said about lego moon night and uh not sonic everyone's happy with the sonic tick this will test the faith of the righteous yeah like hmm don't know if i agree with that so on the stream we've currently got 16 dislikes damn oh we're already in excess of that oh someone as i said that someone undisliked oh what a chat either a chat or a coward one of the guys i judged you too harshly now since we're on uh the topic of boba fat i'm gonna read the first part out and then show the actual image once i get to the second part because i just i feel like the timing on this needed okay so i'm in a tweet saying they made boba fat say he doesn't care about money the man who only cared about solo Han Solo's bounty value in empire agreeing to his freezing on condition that he get compensated for damages by the empire this was frustrating me of course someone gave me a reply in form of a tweet i'm gonna i'm gonna give you all you'll post it there you go so it says if you have a problem with that let me introduce you to dick in the christmas carol oh but here's the thing ebony's or screws went on a fucking journey yeah he went he was visited by three fucking ghosts who showed him the the the the christmas past present and future the whole story the whole point the whole story of christmas carol is basically how a dick turned into a nice person i also i'm not i'm not vibing with the formatting of this person's insult right um because ultimately what they've said here is they've said if you don't like that thing here's another story that does it which that doesn't that doesn't have to really help any i guess we'll just appeal to you're not gonna shit on the christmas carol are you which yeah that's obviously the idea oh well like if we went we won't do anything we'll shit on shakespeare right if we weren't yeah we wouldn't look like there are some problems here we'd be like well that's not very good is it who sings on a balcony three out of ten because like uh baked into my perception is that there has been no arc to justify it otherwise i would probably not put the comment that way and he's like let me introduce you to a film that's all about a character being affected by many sources of new information to change him fundamentally it's like yeah that'd be great but they didn't do that so um but i just mean listening to that out of context just sounds hilarious like you got a problem with both that what a buddy time for you to see dick in the christmas carol okay um i did i did of course consume it soon afterward realized just how wrong i was it's a quite a wake-up call as they say now um i guess i'll just read this one out pretty quick okay so there's a little article and it says is cad bane really dead look at boba fat has a secret clue like oh um yay i i'm i guess i'll just show you the the image of this is a portion of the article okay there's a little more to it but when i saw this one quarter portion of an article resists just getting it to be shown i like it so i like it because it's so committal for now the answer is yes cad bane is dead unless he isn't that's that's how i that's actually how i narrowed it down it's one or the other come on appreciate it is either one side of this dichotomous proposition the article basically posits that there's a bleeping light and his droid might be on the way to heal him but we don't know so as if they need that to justify bringing him back yeah somehow palpatine somehow cad bane returned that's all they don't even need to give him robot parts like they don't even like every robot parts is like every star wars race have a longer lifespan than humans but it seems like what happened for like 70 years old well people tell us he's supposed to be um they're supposed to have shorter lifespans than humans apparently his race who are who are him and nemoidians nemoidians is that what he is yeah he's like he's like the trade federation guys yeah oh wow i didn't know they could be blue that maybe that's what threw me off were they always blue or am i having horrific mental i think they're not blue in i mean i imagine them they can be different because he doesn't sound like a asian at all so that's what threw me off oh yeah i see how they're the same species now yeah i see now yeah if they just seem so different you know i used to i used to live in a world where all nemoidians look the same um but then someone said that my eyes were open the extension used to determine those dislikes only estimates are based on views and likes um that wasn't my screenshot that was some stuff i saw in the discord so i assumed whatever was used was accurate if it's not um i can get the actual ones but i don't think anybody's gonna care extension used only estimates dislikes apparently i first i've heard of it but i don't know i'm gonna check that right now because i can go on to the um public pages of my videos to see how many dislikes they yeah they have and then go into the private analytics to see how many dislikes you know compare it oh everyone's saying he's a duros i've never heard of that but since everyone's saying it must be true well they're showing the blue guys but when he googled nemoidians molars racism i was told this okay i how would i have found out about any of this duros first off yeah here's a duros xenophobia get your shit straight i i no it's not xenophobia when they're different species yeah isn't that what it is xenophobia xenophobia is um i don't know actually that might have a broader definition xenophobia in my understanding is for people like from different nations but well yeah that is what it's useful but yeah the same is how um illegal the root word the root word zeno the root the root word zeno mean you know from essentially from the outside right would just bring when that applied to strange right potentially so yeah it could apply to alien species i'm gonna look up a definition for xenophobia because in sci-fi settings that's typically the word that they used for having prejudice against an alien species is your not the definition on google is just like a prejudice against people from other countries well it's going to be the standard definition yeah well that's because we don't have actually have aliens to use it for right yeah but it seems strange i think but in the setting of star wars they would say xenophobic um he is a duros that's that they are not they look similar though the nemoidians and duros well that's i i literally told that i don't know if it was in discord or not but um maybe they're like volkins and romulans where they're like the same but different um oh the well here's the thing so how old is cad bay well i would chat that was our chat when they when we were doing the boba fest stuff they were saying that he's he's too old or whatever that he shouldn't be alive or at least should be much more frail you know he's like yeah so according to this they live um like uh hang on wait their lifespan is oh yeah their lifespan is about 70 years well it i mean i mean clearly it's true i mean look at him yeah he is about 70 and he dies doesn't he that's true the lower holds up they all get stabbed by boba the fat all right video time oh you guys uh i know the disc goes away or this one i'm there look what i i didn't i didn't want to bring him back up okay but it's a one minute video all right one minute i'm tempted to try and force everyone to just listen to the minute and then crawl up into a cave and die but okay um at the same time you know what if you want to pause you can this is our old friend the arcane analyst yeah he's got some opinions to share the guy who made the he makes the shorts right which video is this smaller this one is called i'm a dingus broken characterization one minute analysis oh all right that's a hefty claim arcane is indeed back we've we've been jumping through a lot of years okay so here i just i'm sorry about this i really am but ultimately like i've been forced to i couldn't i couldn't not do it i'm sorry okay so watch together does not want to show us this apparently how do i what do i do okay so i was noticing something just reloaded it's no okay let's try all right here we go this is a character we're told is a scientist will he never show him doing science we're told or he implies that he's like that it's for mobile shorts then is that shorts have to be in this aspect ratio yeah pretty sure oh i thought there was a design for um no design for mobile i'm just i'm so surprised that that took precedent over what he said rags i i think it doesn't do any science but you won't pay any attention because i was paying attention i was distracted by the weird see i was better than i was better faith i said that it took precedent yeah it's like it's it's i just see something that looks weird and because the light hits my eyes before the sound waves my brain gives it precedent you know what i would imagine that the light waves hitting your eyes it's comfortable like that it is a distinction without a difference with how close no it's way different oh it's way i felt the eod between the how far are you from your monitor huh well it doesn't matter how far away you are it's still it's light it's going to be moving faster the dolls are particularly good with the far enough if you're far enough it will i'm like 16 miles away from my monitor right now yeah even then it will still be basically instantaneous no oh no not at all no there's going to be a big difference for between sound and light wait hang on no i'm 60 miles away i'm saying 60 miles away for a light perspective is going to be meaningless for sound it's going to be significant yeah because we're talking about the difference between right is it coming from you hearing it from speakers from 60 miles away we can go well yeah exactly that but but even no but the point is that even even if you were hearing it like they're very far away if you're watching it from 16 miles away but you had your speakers on the the speed at which light moves would be such that it basically would be faster i'm pretty sure still because i like would it would definitely be faster than sound yes well i know no light is always faster than sound what i'm saying is like even if you have the sound stuff next to you when you were like a hundred kilometers away the light gets you faster there are mediums that like can move through that slows it down right so that might be something that to oh yeah well i'm under water right enough that it's slower than sound yeah well not that works i'm gonna do it but doesn't it take like hundreds of thousands of years from uh light to get from the center of a star to the outside many physicists in chat yeah we've got a lot of physicists in chat i'm sure yeah nothing takes hundreds of years in the solar system in terms of moving it's like nothing at all i think nothing takes hundreds of years for moving what are you talking about like the light in the solar system like anywhere from any direction at any like the solar system isn't big enough for it to take keep saying yes it does hundreds of years i'm right the light or the energy that's produced within the sun what's so the energy now the light that's produced your the light that's produced in the sun it takes how long it takes anywhere from because our because i think our solar system is about half a year long it takes anywhere from four thousand to millions of years from a photon from the center of the sun to leave it no everybody's because people are saying eight minutes it takes eight minutes from the surface of the sun to oh yeah yeah that's um from the center of the sun to the surface of the sun how long does it take you i don't care well if you don't care that's fine we're invested we don't care no we don't we need to stop now we need to berate that person for ruining the day of everyone watching this stream well that was what because oh yeah that's right wasn't that that's right this discussion for i do not care listen okay anything to delay this take i can see that's why this is happening now i've forgotten anything that's been said i remember the visuals because light is faster than sound but i'm gonna have to roll it back so that i can rehear the words that were right i'm gonna be one minute analysis i think your brain was protecting you okay and the fact you've rolled it back your brain is my brain always protects me my brain doesn't put me in danger um i think you'll find that that is more than possible because you've just done it definitely not put yourself in definitely not get ready to enter a coma rags okay i'm just saying safe is the safe is a bug in a rug they're not safe snug is a bug yeah they are they're snug what are the houses on fire rags rugs huh what are the houses on the rug will insulate them from the spooky flames with the rugs on fire oh there was a i drove by a house uh just the other day i think it was actually yesterday it burns down changing the goalposts the goalposts you burned down the goalposts and it had burned down okay we just noticed the house had burned down it's like oh man that's not good okay here we go all right so i was noticing something about hymenator this is a character we're told as a scientist will he never show him doing science we're told or he implies to us that he's altruistic but they never show him doing i thought we wanted to play it all the way to the end it's up to you guys well like the whole minute oh i thought that's what well that's not fair use is it um well it's because it's designed to be like a shot in the arm or something okay well then he does do science though we don't we see him like actively sort of working with with like what does it mean to do science for me because i don't think we see him put a potion into another potion do that yeah we don't we don't see him use test tubes yeah uh so he's not doing science he literally seems to understand things that are told to him of a scientific you know area and he takes a deep interest in observing scientific processes around him and experiments around them and he is also in charge of like the head of science but the college yeah he's he's the he invented science he's in charge of all science the scientific killer of piltover he's the CEO of science he always has opinions um of scientific on scientific matters he always offers his perspective and it's it has i mean well the implication of the statement is that he doesn't do science it's like well he definitely does you just don't see him do it explicitly in like a lab with potions and stuff which i think is irrelevant yeah it's not like it's not like that we're told hey this is heimerdinger he does science and then he just never does it's that we can infer that he does science based on his interactions with other characters he's a laboratory he's familiar with all of the repercussions of this different pieces of tech he inspects their tech several times to approve it well i mean oh wait why are we pretending that they're because like a head researcher in a team is not necessarily going to be the person who's like in the lab pouring all the stuff into the test tubes but he's still a scientist well you know who we do see doing science it's mainly victor and jace i wonder why that is probably because their invention is a revolutionary at this point in time and they're they're more so forefront characters it's like so weird thing to say but what is this in favor of what character what point are we making about this character but they never show him doing anything to help people we're oh we're gonna rewind oh boy he never show him doing anything to help people that's just wrong but he never showed him doing anything to help people he helps echo he's supposed to be altruistic but he's never shown doing anything to help people so episode two he saves jace from being expelled from piltover yeah like he didn't have to do that and and at the forefront of his mind when it comes to all of the science is protecting people it's not actively going out saving people's lives trying to prevent bad his happening that is that characterization is that he's quite possibly the most altruistic he just doesn't have enough information to be effective yeah the things that he does from his position of authority helps a lot of people particularly in terms of safety now i don't that's where the discussion comes in oh yeah you know how helpful is we talked about this uh you know coverage but i don't think it's an accident the beginning of episode four he describes the uh stanley pedidli stanwick pedidli or whatever as a person who cared more about progressing everybody and you know fixing to be a great world rather than his own like legacy which to me is supposed to probably foreshadow hymening his fate in this being that he's fallen completely from his high stature and power and position all the way to the bottom of uh quite literally the bottom of society that's where echo and his people are and he's probably going to help them quite a bit and it's going to have cost him basically everything prestigious but that's not important so i think it's pretty weird to say that he's also highlighting that like the show is trying to tell us he's altruistic but he doesn't help anyone this is like huh interesting take but all right what else we got that's that's the first two we're told he's a great leader pilter but they certainly never show him doing good job reading and we're told he's a more uh they never shown doing a good job leading i would actually argue he does a pretty great job of being a leader that's not suitable for this council they're all people who are willing to fuck him over he's not willing to fuck anyone over yeah i how do you make this is a guy who seems to have devoted a lot of time to this show but he gets a lot of very very very basic facts about the show i was like he's like you totally miss them what was he watching during all this time so i mean like the idea is to state all of these things like a machine gun so confidently and they're all wrong he's a very chill and normal dude and he wants everything to be done securely and safely and it's not about you know in a like what could be implied that he gets it done on his own timeline or something he's just worried that when it's uncontrolled it'll result in damage which is like illustrated over and over again throughout this show as well as his history like i don't see how that would be evidence of his poor leadership or him getting screwed over it's not exactly fair because he never thought that they would backstab him so yeah but we've established now that he's a poor leader poor character in terms of altruism and a poor scientist when we told the opposite for all three it's like man mortal who not exactly shown him living forever either so what i'm gonna replay that i'm gonna i'll replay it i'll replay it told he's a more oh fuck sorry uh god this one's special mortal who not exactly fucking why would it go back we're told he's a screen reader built over but they certainly never show him doing good job reading and we're told he's a mortal who not exactly shown him living forever either okay so you can never show anyone living forever that's just not possible you can't do that so they don't say they don't ever say he's immortal they say he lives for a long ass time what can it what is a better proof that telling us he was here when the city was founded everyone everyone in the city readily accepts this information they state it to be true it seems to be true there's how i don't he's the founder of the city and it's a fully fledged functioning city i don't even i'm i'm so confused yeah but jay is this a that's a great question some people asking if this is april fools it is not um they don't show him living forever of course not you knit with well so to be fair if they had a flash forward and everyone's dead and he's sitting there really old and and he says man 10 billion years ago is when uh stuff happened that would have mean they're telling the truth right now seems like they could be lying to us that's what i think let's feel my my best guess is like my best faith guess is just something that he threw in because he thought like yeah of course the like he just threw it in because it fits the pattern beating yours it's not a serious example like it wants to establish pattern if they show they tell us this thing but they don't show it yes and he knows this one isn't serious that's that's best faith he he wants to establish a pattern that the show tells us things about heimeding if it does not show that reality that's what he's trying to do so that he can then make his next point which is so what's going on we all know the rule arcane knows the rule show don't tell so this is an interesting twist but the way it works is actually very straightforward show don't there's not like a scene where it tells you all of these things about heimeding and these are things that you can infer from his diet like this is such a poor okay show don't tell doesn't oh god like to show that someone is a scientist i mean yeah not a rule but like to show that someone is a scientist you don't need to put like an insert shot of them doing science right because that because that that that's almost like following the the the letter of the advice without understanding the spirit of it would be right oh this guy's a scientist how do we show that right well we can't tell the audience so let's just when he's before he's introduced let's just show like 30 seconds of him doing science and then he arrives at the scene so we know he's a science man it's um it's locked in you can't he's fucking what do you think it was all a meme that they all think he's the science guy and he made a bunch of things that work but it was all a joke like he wasn't actually doing it like and then like the equivalent is like to have a natural scene where it comes up like oh have you done any science recently and i like i just a natural scene where it's incorporated into the dialogue and it becomes clear and the audience can infer this character as a scientist he knows what he's talking about when it comes to science he is called that yeah oh so yeah so the fact that that's his title is a professor which is not something you can just call yourself well i was gonna say like you can't you can maybe establish that he's not a scientist from what we see him onwards or something with crazy but like you can't i'm assuming we can't deny it's in stone his science is what helps piltover go from being not a city to the current way it is like that surely can't deny that like otherwise that that means everybody's under a false impression did he just steal everyone else's work also what is the rationale here like how does that work so show don't tell is like it's honestly just a poor translation of naturally integrate the important information into this story that's a better phrasing yeah it's just not as catchy as show don't tell but uh let's well to be fair jay what is his point let's see what it is you don't know what it is yet you'll you'll womb us so this is an interesting twist but the way it works is actually very straightforward show don't tell me story elements feel real and authentic tell don't show makes them feel fake and inauthentic normally why would you want that but here it works perfectly so yeah there's yeah you're and who's familiar rigidly with the facts where we've covered this before we think show don't tell and tell don't throw it all out it's not um it's not as simple as that it's it's a nice rule of thumb at best it's it's built on top of i mean i feel like it is i feel like it's a mistranslation of just naturally integrate the information into the story if you're if you're writing a story where a character would say the information get them to say it if you're writing a story where you would see it and as a part of the thing that you're doing and put it on screen it points you in the right direction in the same way as give you a protagonist most of the influence for guiding the plot you like do i have to you like no but it's a reliable way to get the audience invested in the action of of of the events i suppose take um like a fucking novel right obviously in that instance where the information is being communicated to the story via pros you are telling the audience some things it is it is the nature of what you tell them um rather than simply don't tell them things it is infer information through events and don't just tell them what they need to take away right dude you're you're repeating your points you're reminding me of books hey hey you mentioned books to stop talking about those foul things god damn book we hear hate books books can suck my dick down with the book handle books normally why would you want that but here it works perfectly why because this is how you write hypocrisy it's how you write a fraud and that oh really this has got to be a joke we're getting to the point now here it is that's how they want us to feel about Heimerdinger we're supposed to feel like Jason and Victor are the real geniuses here they're the ones who really want to help people and this guy's video has five hundred and twenty thousand fucking views Heimerdinger is a past his prime celebrity scientist oh no what the fuck and you know we saw his evidence he had four pillars to support this one of them was absolutely fucking batshit insane the the uh the one is like if you're so invulnerable how come i haven't seen you live forever like what um and then of course there's uh he's not doing enough science he's not nice enough it's like he's a fraud like wow like you were a reporter designed to do a hit piece on him this is his reputation his algorithms abilities he's introduced us as the mentor of life and mentors are supposed to have these qualities but by never showing any of them we become conflicted about what he does show mental qualities he gives really good advice several times as well as good quotes as well as good stories he's literally mentoring echo by the end of the show he mentored victor he mentored jace why do you think they know all they know everything says wrong in this video like every fucking sentence how are you making these claims one of my favorite scenes is where heimerdinger's trying to provide some comfort to victor when everyone knows victor's dying like just desperately trying to work with him the idea is like yeah he's a fraud celebrity scientist the fuck's happening you don't understand like this this video is so mean to heimerdinger who's like such a beloved and lovely character i don't understand how it didn't immediately get more hate like i'm not saying i love this video like like i just i don't understand how this past everyone smells us like this if i was making this video like if i if i genuinely had watched arcane and come to the conclusion all of these conclusions are heimerdinger and i wanted to put that to my audience in a video i would be going okay the first thing i need to do is be really careful because i'm like i'm playing with fire here like i need to be careful how i present these points because people are gonna get mad about this um and he's just gone straight in with it he's a fraud fuck him he's a piece of shit um i'm like no overwhelming i don't understand i i feel it this make me reevaluate my understanding of the world and people's perceptions and like it's got over half a million views and people adore this video and everything in it is just full of lies it's so fucking it's so fucking depressing like dude i'm all willing to believe information about the show he but he's been watching so much arcane he's like torn himself into pieces connecting things together that are just it's like that board of information from uh always sunny in philadelphia where he's just like i figured it out i'm hitting is a fraud you're all just like huh where what why why he's like he's not even that old that he can live up to that and by the end we see that he can't so that's three out of the four immortality seems to follow this pattern but it doesn't actually fit into it's not immortality what what why would you throw an immortality into there it was totally arbitrary you there's no reason for that to have been in there sorry what was the ending there he's introduced us as the mentor of life and mentors are supposed to have these qualities so by never showing any of them we become conflict also this was reversed the immortality thing was that the immortality thing was there so he can plug one of its other videos oh and by the end we see that he can't so that's three out of the four immortality seems to follow this pattern but it doesn't actually this fucker spent 12 minutes editing a video and lying for a minute so that he believes this were doomed i just don't know how he came to conclude all of this it's insane like the it's like he clearly didn't watch the show it's a basic information you know doing much science for a scientist you're an invincible immortal huh don't see you living forever what um yeah so i saw that by chance in my recommended that i was like you are not serious this is not an actual argument it's a joke video it's gotta be a joke video he's just forming clips or algorithm or so how can you watch i got us don't worry what believes shani i think it's davis alone now go ahead make some more videos however i've got something completely different for you guys a short from youtube about arcane what i don't know where did you want and it's not it's not shani this is this is a guy called am i stuck in a time loop out of frame i think is what he's called i i hate to say it but uh all right the title of this short is arcane was good it's characters wound what so well it is an interesting hook isn't it it's the kind of hook that i just don't even want to explore i'm just like if i see this in my recommended's i'm like no where you're wrong i'm not don't even watch the video how can i'm struggling to see like i don't think i could picture a piece of media that i would describe as good if none of the characters were good like the characters are the lens through which you view the all of the other aspects of the story well let's find out if you can't if you can't latch onto that how do you have a good plot or message or maybe and they have a minute to explain why it has i'm sure the one they come on bold a bold of you i'll admit that arcane ended up being pretty cool but is no one else a little tired of movies and tv or streaming shows that are primarily centered around essentially bad people for those who haven't seen it bad people i guess i hope that's that's the different i'm saying that the characters aren't good if yeah this is totally different conversation and so yeah if then the title means arcane was of top quality but its characters were of low moral standing that doesn't quite ring as cool does it that's like yeah i guess but um well it depends a lot of them for example like katlyn maybe like exactly what i think a lot of them are just doing their best right i will also yeah that's why i was starting with katlyn i was like she's pretty squeaky clean i don't think you could be like oh well she's done a few dubious things like no she's pretty good throughout well i don't know what i was gonna say but really if someone went not going to count vi right she like steals from people and i'm just like um i mean how do we like what if you commit one immoral act you're not a good person you know like it's it's a little bit more complicated than that but anyway let's let's see exactly who maybe we're referencing i don't know because if it's jinx like yeah i mean you got a dead to rights on that one i suppose it arcane opens with a group of kids breaking into someone else's apartment and stealing everything they can one of the kids powder takes a sack of mysterious blue orbs from an obviously special case and instead of simply pondering an orb or two when she gets home by the way we're halfway done yep we're halfway done yep we're halfway she drops one in her hurry to escape it explodes which is by the way just so we're clear not her fault that's not a moral act you cannot criticize it for that she had no fucking clue those things were going to fucking explode yeah the the moral act so far is theft i guess yes that is a moral act yeah and you can say as a consequence of her attempt at thievery there's an explosion but the idea that she would have caused this like deliberately in any way she performed is is fucked you can't say that this sort of becomes a theme with powder thing is i kind of hate all she accidentally drops orbs well she does blow up again you're acting in bad fate yeah you know what i'm gonna agree with the video micah all right i was having fun no cruel rags it's not allowed to be a little fairy i was having fun she's an orb dropper she's a filthy fucking orb dropper don't defend her it really sounds like it means something man like that i don't know what i'm saying i'm sorry yeah it just sort of rolls off the tongue in a way you're fucking orb dropper like that orb dropper it just feels like a thing that people would be called yes breaking into my house dropping my orbs theme with powder thing is i kind of hate all these kids and i don't hate clagger too i guess because they stole from jace i really love the guy who got robbed either in the end while the show's writing is surprisingly good for a show based on league of legends there are very few characters i actually this is an utterly worthless yeah that's you liking them actually this is a worthless video this is a video about your shit taste it's not a video about how the characters aren't good the main thrust of evidence is the opening scene where they rob jace i mean that he even takes the time to be like i don't even like jace really either it's like like how can you argue that jace is of poor moral standing i guess there's like he got robbed the piece of shit he has that one moment where he's like hey fuck his orbs were dropped if you're from you can't trust people from the under city and Victor's like i'm from the under city i think that's like the worst thing that jace ever does is he says says something that's a bit probably shouldn't have said that mate well and that's the thing like that's something that was simply too based so they're too human is that the problem you don't like see it eddie will do anything right yeah writing is surprisingly good for a show based on league of legends there are very few characters i actually care about at all because most of them are just kind of horrible people thieves killers corrupt politicians i'd love to what about the ones that are i cannot i cannot help but notice that you simply didn't highlight all of the very morally upstanding people it seems like i just couldn't help but notice that you didn't he did he highlighted jace and then didn't say what his problem was with him was he was like i don't like him fucking i mean moves on for like the guy whose whole thing is like i want to root out corruption i want to make technology that helps people i that's the whole point of my life i just want to help people get rid of corruption it's like why bitches got a life reviews i don't get it oh uh to be accidentally killed a kid to be fair i don't think you can hold that against jace morally when in terms of like he's under attack he's desperately trying to defend himself from being fucking murdered and one of his shots hits a kid like that i don't know how that would go in a court exactly but i mean it's not a yeah it's not a moral thing especially seeing how jace reacts to that having happened yeah it ruins him anything it shows that he it shows that he's got a lot of moral conviction that he wants to stand up to and that he wants to exude it looks very if we're judging us as the bird's eye audience see people then we know that jace did not want that to happen and it changes his mind on war like entirely so i'm a bad person after it's a bit complicated isn't it he's killers corrupt i also like that the the main villain the whole fucking season is being highlighted here is like see they're bad people like yeah he's yeah this is bad stuff bad bad yes politicians i'd love to meet someone why was the only highlighted piece of evidence in this video yeah powder she dropped a thing by mistake and it blew up he spent more time with the orb dropping than the breaking into the apartment which is yeah yeah it's probably bad but that's not actually connected to his point um i know it's almost like incidental he said he accidentally sets up the thing that has a moral component to set up the orb dropery which doesn't have one at all and then he's just like we need to do more go see drop more herbs in the future he would be in like i just oh and as the super chat just highlighted by the way the image he used for politician is toy maker uh he's just a guy who says like which toy do you want to give as a gift remember that's all that guy is he's not anything else i was i was about to say who is that guy i didn't even like recognize him thieves killers corrupt yeah that's just guy who's a better example of a corrupt politician also killers doesn't mean you're immoral murderers does yep well be a killer and be a good person i'll give it to him i i'm more like because the funny part to me is like yes you use silco so i can infer what you mean but at the same time why the hell do you silco like if you're trying to prove they're a they're evil people in this show why would show it for palpatine star wars exact palpatine and darth vader and boba fat oh wait that but he's a changed man now of course yeah rags the hell he's a good guy yeah he's a good guy now i always forgot okay he went on a long journey politicians i'd love to meet someone in season two who's actually worth rooting for who's with this clown world that we're in the interesting look it was a bad point made badly it was so dishonest like you can't think of one moral kid how fucked is your moral compass if you can't watch a show like this and think and notice a good person how fucked are you bizarre shit that's insane that's insane what is it with what is it with arcane and youtube shorts that are just from the sample size of two they're just you're unfortunately our arcane coverage is not yet over there's one more so this one's kind of just funny it's a comment all right and i think it just has to be appreciated all in one it's quite a it's just i i saw it after our arcane coverage in our comment section and i was like what in the world does all of this mean free reign whoever wants to take it you go right ahead okay this one well well i've learned there's something wrong with me i love arcane and i love efab but i couldn't listen to these streams i can't bear all the platitudes omg did you look did you see this part and how uh they this was fantastic it just makes me cringe or thing i know it makes me cringe it just makes me cringe or thing well i guess i prefer i just prefer to listen uh to people criticize with accuracy rather than accurately praise anyway yeah arcane is fantastic but stafu this is a very confused comment like it's accurately right what what is that this is like yeah it's good but shut the fuck up like what yeah i'm confused by this one i just i sometimes think of the comments section they just i think some people write comments not expecting anybody to read it it's just an expression of a thought they have however unfilled right however and then when you read it it's like yeah because i just read this i was like this sounds like just you you know this is just feelings flowing around you haven't made the thought yet but you put it on the page anyway arcane is fantastic but shut the fuck up with your accurate praise like what it's bizarre guys this is the most raw expression of humanity next to um bathroom graffiti so of all of the so what is your favorite platitude is it like a bird on the hand is worth two in the bush or fortune favors the bold or omg look did you see this part and how they visit was fantastic that's my favorite because that's my favorite platitude i i've always loved that platitude it's really great i don't know yeah um but if this is just a matter of i prefer it when they criticize stuff it's like okay that's fine yeah sure especially from an entertainment point of view i see what you mean but uh and we did we did criticize this accurately there were some things in here that other the show uh kind of faltered a bit but for the most part it was praise because it's a very very very good show and there's a lot to praise and it's good to explain why those things are praiseworthy um and now we're done with arcane okay we're jumping over thank god i can't take another short i realized this these probably should have been moved to earlier because it would have made a little bit more sense but we're going to halo for just a little bit just a little bit yay first of all halo infinite i feel for me i feel like you're the one that should read we're gonna circle around this is a steam review of halo infinite or rather the forum post on there i think yeah okay maybe that anyway uh let's take a look shall we so titled complaining about halo infinite uh is like going to a concert getting extremely mad because the beer is expensive and the selection too small to get drunk without overpaying and then complaining loudly about it throughout the entire band set to people who are too busy enjoying the music and smart enough to know it's a better deal to get drunk at your local dive bar expect substitute uh except substitute the beer for in-game skins titles achievements etc yeah they might be overpriced in a crappy deal but the game itself is fun as hell you don't go to concerts at huge venues just to get drunk there are better options for that this is a very confused and not again yeah a very confused like what is the sentiment analogy man strikes again it's a pretty it's a pretty poor analogy because what what is my what what are the substitute for the game a different game like a completely different game i can't play halo infinite and then not get um all of the microtransactions and the battle pass content so so like that's just stuffed yeah so the equivalent here would be going to a concert where you're not allowed to drink right or without paying you know you can't have you can't have any you can't get drunk beforehand so a well a concert where well they're talking about um the beer is extremely expensive with a concert right yeah well you should just go somewhere cheaper to get drunk first if you want to get drunk at the concert that's not that doesn't work uh because this concert is one where if you don't drink their beer you can't drink anything at their venue yeah exactly this is so this is like that's a completely valid criticism yeah this band is great i love this band every time they release an album it's got all of these songs and there's a lot of great variety to the songs and man it's just been great i love this band so much oh the band's got another concert that they're doing sweet i'm gonna go to the concert and i go to the concert and it's free admission wow that's amazing oh the band only has two songs that they play and they're gonna keep playing these two songs over and over and over again it's like yeah they're pretty decent songs i guess sure that's cool there's only two songs and the beer is super expensive and all of the merchandise is everything is super expensive it's really really overpriced and normally the things you get for free at other concerts they i have to pay for them here so that's kind of that's kind of not too good and also i could have swore there was a lot more people at this concert a while ago but i guess it's just a few of us left um and they're still playing the same two songs but they say in a few months they'll have a third song so that's neat i guess there that's your analogy fuck off and so yeah go somewhere else to get drug he said play a different game with extra steps basically just yeah fine yeah we'll take your analogy just like fine we'll do what we're all doing which is playing other games um yeah simple as that i like the emotes here a clown brain yeah i guess he was having a lot of fun and he wanted to talk about how much fun he was having but everyone was like fuck this game it's bad for this reason that reason this reason that you know now this has been brought up here and there so i figure we may as well pop it on to make sure it was covered by us the uh the quote in relation to why it is that good old master chief has indeed removed the helmet and is continuing to remove okay here it is so uh pablo schreiber on finally unmasking master chief in the hashtag halo the series at get fandom gaming in order to know a character you kind of have to take the helmet off it's not like in the mandalorian where there's a rule by a deadline uh up slash oh just listen to it dot li forward slash three and eight five y sp do they think we can't get to know the the mandalorian yeah there's so much it's a rule there's so much that's wrong all the fact that there is a rule means that we can get to know him with the helmet on that's how it works if there's a rule then it you know it works in terms of storytelling the rule is just something that they made up exactly yeah it's wrong on multiple it's wrong on multiple levels in order to know a character you don't have to take the helmet off you can absolutely communicate character with a faceless person that's been done many many if you have a voice and a body holy shit by the way it has by the way this applies to robots who don't have the ability to express their face right they just have a static fate like legion from massive name a single character that's a robot you can't like tolly walking tolly zora naraya she wears a fucking mask the whole time we don't know he's not only got like eyes he doesn't really have a mouth or anything that's entirely in the eyes but i mean yeah it's not a martian love in the martian only has eyes who's everyone's favorite character from robot again yeah the fucking robot yeah and i mean if this is a static face and also like unless this unless this is a criticism well unless this is a criticism of the mandalorian and it must be necessarily you must necessarily be implying that we can't get to know who mando is no this is a rule so it's okay what i think happened is he realized oh shit that's kind of like an underhanded insult to a show that we've often said that we've drawn some level of inspiration from yeah no man no it's okay i think that's what happens is a rule that they made up for that show totally arbitrarily that doesn't even make sense it's a stupid rule and they made it up and this is just awkward you're implying that we don't know who chief is in the games like that we've got nothing on him um because we never see his face ever i mean you don't see samus's face throughout like the vast majority of metroid games but to be fair for you they haven't played the games so how would they know that wow yeah true there's a many people are mentioning they're talking about this fucking weird guy in in that star wall movie the cpp 36 whatever he's nobody really knows who that guy is they forgot rd rd rd yeah what about vaden 2d right okay if people are gonna talk about the characters of the ot no one's gonna mention vader or c3po what can you even say is traits of those two none they had their masks on like the whole time almost i mean us who doesn't even he can't even like speak he just goes but yeah no none of them you know you know you know it's really i'm really frustrated as well because i've just realized that a medium i really enjoy is fucking audio drama like man yeah what's it like to enjoy a media that doesn't have characters j oh it's great i hate characters i like well the thing the thing about that medium as well is that the main thing that you can't really do in that is um well visuals but something one thing that i find really doesn't work when they try to do it is action based stories because you know you can't see any of it um i thought i'd prefer the you know the more slowly paced atmospheric character based stuff and you know that's character based so yeah it's just someone statement someone to chat set isaac from dead space however and the first game he dies it just doesn't have a character he's just not he's not a character he's he's a vessel for the player essentially things happen around him a second a second what about us well i was doing the isaac thing right so in dead space two and three he starts taking his helmet off a whole lot more and they actually like make him a character who has thoughts and perspectives and things so not a good example to use isaac from dead space because in the first one it's just not us a lot of you've in chat i've probably seen my face but um the rest of us here well wouldn't matter if they see now a face is at this point because the whole point he's making is that he's gonna have the helmet off during dramatic scenes right wow and just that it's off frequently but like because obviously if we'd seen his face static in an image for years and then we see the whole show with it on it's not like someone would say oh well i know that's what he's talking about it's like no he's talking specifically about taking it off all the time what does this mean like where there's a rule as if his point about writing is subverted when a writer decides that they don't want to do it it just completely undermines everything he just said absolutely because this is just an offhand comment that wasn't thought through very well to defend a decision that was made in a show that was filmed a while ago and he probably knows all the fans did not want this for master chief i'm sure that he does know that yeah um but it's not his choice no um oh i don't know yeah that's that is the justification for this when we all know very well and funnily enough it's not mandos helmet that makes him not have character no it's that character it's like he's an idiot loser fool mask or not helmet or not oh and for the record we're not saying isaac has zero character in dead space the fact that he takes action would characterize him it's just that it's not really comparing him to someone like c3p0 he is yeah he's isaac in dead space one is virtually characterless he um we're talking like bare minimum so that a story can happen kind of thing it they they specifically talked about how in dead space two they were gonna humanize them more give him like speaking lines and because remember he doesn't have speaking lines in the first game he goes oh and ouch a lot but he doesn't have he doesn't like have any lines right he's very blank in that sense yeah and they went out of their way to dead space two and three give him a character and you know also the dead space remix looking damn good i hope so visually i feel like you and i will both jump on that right right absolutely i dead space is one of my favorite games i love the dead space series so i'm very happy to to see that it's getting a remake that at least looks very impressive so we will see how that goes because dead space graphically is it's all right it's you know it's aged okay so we'll see um we'll i i'd love to go back to the issue more with modern graphics and all that delicious lighting and shadows and i'm ready i'm so ready um is everyone familiar with gal Gadot's cringey line from you know on the Nile that thing yes yes of course and all the champagne on the Nile so i was gonna say i probably don't need to play it um but there's i saw this underneath it and i was like it's just funny to think about this this is a comment yeah i remember saying that so can we as a collective finally agree that gal Gadot is one of the worst actresses currently out and has no right being in any movie let alone being a lead okay the however consider consider she is hot that's true it's just so strange right because it's like a collective sort of uh refusal to admit she's a because remember when we did the arc for uh dc or rather like the first half of it second half coming eventually um the the one thing that we like got straight away from one to woman the first one was wow her delivery for several lines you know and then of course there's some fast-forwarding to joss justus league where she's got some famously bad ones um yeah there's not i i'm not aware of any movie where she can deliver lines believably she always comes across as though she's reading them from page and she never gets like inflections right she just sort of alerts them out and uh a big part of it is she's stone face on inflection she's often stone face the only explanation we can come up with is that she's been taught to be stone face she's a model that's how it works uh but not when you're acting you need that shit to move all over the place someone chat said she's in that hot rags listen i mean you are that is delusion like i think i understand i understand that it's objective but let's let's be fucking clear gal Gadot is fucking smoking hot all right like you you don't have to want to ban gal Gadot right like that's like no one has to want to be like to think that she is hot themselves right but but you can't you can't point at someone who is conventionally very attractive and be like nah are they not though hey look she is she's half a cell or some people don't find it hot all right they've all got a taste some people just that's not it's not it for them you know that's fine moving on we've got a video that people wanted us to just check out because it's kind of funny because it kind of relates to how we've covered videos and stuff but uh this this video is called ad transitions are getting weirder ad transitions are getting we may never know what truly happened on that fateful thursday the 11th but what we do know is that dylan faces a lifetime in a dark cold cell in existence in an empty rectangle of a room a lifetime in a dark square space design a website that's what you need that's nice i like that very good every every video starts like every video i say starts like this i think so he's done a lot of parody stuff but that's just that's great uh it's like i also did the hisan parody ones oh the streamers from the 70s and 50s and stuff is it yeah that would make sense but uh yeah ad transitions are getting weird um some of them are really clunky i was actually made fun of in the recent gadelb it was uh you ever think about as gravitational physics or something like that it's like no but okay if i if i ever think of an ad transition like that i'm doing it like you can do it and it doesn't even have to be real i've done two or three at four ads i think i've done pretty much one per gadelb and two on e-fan i think it's the rare context where it's funnier if it's real so the next topic i don't know which one of you should read this one this is a tweet from uh good old movie bob use the next topic oh boy we this really is immediately all right let's click this link just so i make see make sure i get the oh okay i'm gonna make it first now i make mad all right tasty cooking isn't always pretty cooking this double vacuum sealed marinade bag contains an entire chicken that's been fridge marinating in a mix of three different hot sauces sriracha and hot taco seasonings for five days tonight i roast with savory sausage stuffing fingers crossed i just like the bag that he just stuffed things into it like it's with duct tape it looks like a serial killer storage for a weirdo do you have a type of work container and you still this isn't been in the sink for five days the fridge he's been marinating it it's preparing it for cooking rags okay that's the chicken bag that's the chicken bag yeah rags is the one that was confused jay not me i understand it this is all very strange yeah it was just i guess it was odd because it was in the sink and i'm it seems so appealing his bag of chicken is the duct tape it it looks like some sort of like a medical blood bag maybe you find in a video game some post apocalyptic sort of like oh yeah this is a health kit this will give you 30 health points and you're like oh i'd never use this in real life but in video games i can't feel it or smell it so it's okay i would appreciate this back and forth i saw it i was like this is this real lull your obese you're not a person if you call someone fat you don't even like don't even meet us at like your lull your obese just like we got all right but it's like you're not a person it's like oh shit we cracked this up look at his look at the wrong your image of his he did use yes he's an intelligent man yet denying the only thing i can focus on in this image i can't see any other aspects of it he looks like a he looks like a this is pretty tame for him actually he looks like a weird Pixar person i can kind of see that okay oh it's a shame that green he's not here he may have he's okay we'll have to do a different one oh i suppose we could do this one we're gonna have to do it quick okay the idea here and you're gonna have to okay if you can boot the stream you guys you can see it but we gotta we gotta choose what would movie bob have rated these movies called quib gift the great movie bob quiz all right oh wow there's a decent chunk of them so we're gonna have to go quick okay okay okay okay okay okay gotcha so if you if you get a stream up uh okay let me press live on the first one is the turnals what did he rate the turnals oh he gave a turnals a 7.5 i was gonna go with eight we average out to eight then or yes that rejects eight okay uh shangchi what depends on what the other what what depends on what the other what would you say jay i said nine so we can yeah so we can go with eight shangchi yeah we'll settle with eight um i'm gonna go with another 7.5 i'll go with seven probably yeah i can say seven i guess we'll call that seven then go seven yeah go then them let there be carnage i guess i'll just go mid five all right five it is kong and godzilla fighting what's that one six um i'm gonna go with eight point five i was gonna go seven so should we should call it seven seven i think i can see him arguing the like this movie knows what it is sort of thing you know yeah army the dead seven um i'm gonna pass on this one i don't know enough about army god is so awful even i'm like come on moviebomb is defeated too right i'm gonna go five call it even so we'll go with six i guess yeah go with six wonder woman 84 even oh i could see him loving it i could see him defending that's what i'm thinking i'm thinking eight i'm gonna say eight all right um i'm actually gonna settle for that too i feel like that's fair uh mulan seven how do we all have like this moviebomb sets where we're all basically in the same page i'm assuming we're all assuming on mulan that he felt the need to defend this one too um yeah he felt the need to defend it but he didn't go too hard on it because like he you know he does acknowledge that it has issues but you know seven is a good score for a film that he's defending but he you know doesn't want to pretend is perfect next is the call of the wild which is the harrison ford doggo movie no idea i didn't even know he would have seen it so i'm just gonna go with like a five i don't know uh do you give one rank sorry what was it jet well i said four jay would you say above five or below five i don't know i've no nothing about this movie right anyway you all you have to go on is that's harrison ford and a dog oh so we've got four five five so i guess it's five dr do little starring robert downy jr six i'm gonna go i'm gonna try and go for a low one here and say three i'm gonna feel adventurous yeah i feel like i feel like he's got to give some low scores right so i'll go with three as well you know i'll i'm gonna change mine to five so sorry i've stepped down for a second movie bob said to someone you're not a person yeah well they called him fact one so calm down dude he wanted to genocide all of republicans or consumers what is this uh what's this writing system that we're doing here we're guessing we are movie but we're actually halfway through so now we have to average out four votes okay so what did move about give rise of skywalker um i have to pass on this one because i've already i know what he gave rise of skywalker um i'm gonna say i think was it high i'm trying to remember i i i i can imagine him giving this a high one because he's he's kind of ah like a wild card i think he did was low rags i'm gonna say seven and a half seven point five i'm gonna go with nine for you what have you got um well i said two but now i'm not sure i'm almost certain it's a high number um the thing is like that's because i kind of i'm a little bit biased so we can average it out if you want to call it like five or six or yes that's what we've been doing yeah sure we'll just call six uh 1917 i'm seven i'm gonna go with eight i feel like i feel like what his nine i think i feel like he thinks it's very good but he thinks that like oh guys come on it don't don't go crazy with it what do you reckon you know i'm thinking he'll give it a six i think he'll give it a nine i think this is one we got six seven eight nine which puts us at what seven point five which would be eight then seven point five yeah go up to all right that's one no joker actually would oh i could see him being mean to joker i can't remember the score i gave you it's gonna be four three two i'd go with five so we'll go uh four that'll be four then average yeah yeah uh godzilla king of the monsters i'll probably give it like a six or five yeah let's do a five i'm gonna do a five oh yeah five five five seven i guess i'll still average that i guess i'll happily give it all to you as five yeah i think it's still still yeah uh captain plank you probably read this like a seven out yeah i think he thinks it's a seven okay that's a nine oh so seven seven eight nine which means eight all right i think eight yeah eight yeah aquaman uh i'm gonna go five no i'm gonna go six i'm gonna i'm gonna go five i'll say six six six six the sixes have it uh ant man i'm in the wasp five four i'm yeah i'll say five i think i'm on a four yeah i don't think there's anything from the latch on to here but nothing from the hate either solo six ah two eight uh i guess seven i think seven i think you probably like this one but not a crazy amount okay hi i think i'm gonna go six or seven so um all right i'll save it to like a seven then we doing wait so if we're doing i'm six we got a two six seven and oh i said six or seven two should we just call it six oh we'll go six i'm all right we could drop it to a five because of the two oh i seem like fringy doesn't want to stick to the two yeah all right black i think i uh i think i have a different impression i mean i get rather like a nine right yeah like a kind of what i choose dead for i think i think yeah fully ten wouldn't be surprised two tens i'm seven i'm happy with the ten yeah you put on maybe maybe he dot points for like the cgi in the second half you would i i feel like because i know he has to give it something to be nine or ten right you could put it at a nine yeah if you guys are that high and i'm the low ball at seven then just give it a nine okay we'll go nine baby driver yeah i imagine he really likes it i'll give it an eight i think he's is what he would do uh i was gonna say seven so eight we got two sevens two eights so i'll give it to eight resident evil the final chapter i have no clue uh well let me we're fine i don't know is that what well let's just say i'm trying to my thought process is if i go with a three i don't match onto as my my thing right um i i feel like he didn't hate it but he didn't like it either i feel like he wouldn't want to praise this too much but he also wouldn't want to just shit all over it i don't know yeah yeah in my mind movie bob doesn't see this as a movie he maybe he's as like as this is like a fun silly movie that doesn't have anything to say which for him will put it a little bit above average i think because it's not a movie with like a any any fucking message so it's it's like a popcorn crunchy movie which i think for him would be at a five or six so i'm gonna say ooh i'm torn between five and six what are you guys at uh i think i'm on a four i was gonna say five i think i'm yeah i'm happy to just call it a five because i'm i'm average at skating between all those numbers so uh ghost busters the waman one like eight yeah yeah i'm uh yeah i'm happy with eight yeah sausage party um i think i'll go with star food uh i'm gonna go for yeah i'll be happy on four yeah okay all right let us see what happens that is that is all the questions i'm so excited i'm so excited oh man because we haven't covered him in a while so i hope i'm not rusty on my movie bob uh well these these are all like you know old movies though so like if he's changed then that would throw off our movie bob sense he hasn't if anything maybe they're away well well that that would be a form of change the rags i don't mean like if he's improved i mean if he's changed in any way at all that would throw off our movie bob sense for the older movie bob i don't think he's changed i really don't i i don't think he has a personality that will allow him to change it'll be cool if the i assume there are ways in which he changes but they don't affect the quality of the larger movie bob it'd be cool if this gave you points based on the proximity to the correct answer but let us let us go through we have um all right we said the turnals was an eight turns out it was an eight nice oh nice you said she was a seven turns out it was an eight incorrect oh pretty good very close said venom was a five gave it a six oh we're doing pretty good i think we're doing pretty good uh we said seven for god's sake we were correct what was that a fucking joke man right army the dead we put at six his answer was seven oh not bad one little bit 84 we said he'd give it an eight the correct answer is four i'm surprised oh wow that one didn't slap let by him he he noticed yeah he noticed he noticed one woman 84 we said seven for moulin it was six three close nine oh one off nice yeah close we went with five for the fucking Harrison four dog a movie it says that it was eight eight yeah i guess maybe that movie's real good i don't know i'm legitimately surprised i'm legit surprised i don't know when you watch it video movie books recommendation do a little we gave a four turns out it was three oh oh it was again nice ride the skywalker we get we guess six it was eight oh what why he gave it an eight i don't know man i don't know how to explain i know that because i keep i keep referencing films that he's given rise no basically his entire video um is on the crux that guys calm down it's not that bad okay that is low it's fine well no his conclusion ends with the guys you're overhating this it's really not that bad it's fine eight out of ten okay 1917 we said he'd guess eight he gave seven wow we are one off joker we said four he gave four low yeah oh yep we knew it he couldn't like that you're gonna hang on just to be clear the rise of skywalker is better than 1917 in joker by four yeah god's ill a king of the monsters we said he'd give five he gave 10 what that's our first full on miss that's gotta be a meme i'm curious if that's a meme answer because like king of the bosses is definitely worth the god of the king for the aspect of insanity from what i understand and monster fights like so i don't know why he would rate this 10 i'm sure he has a justification for it i think i imagine he's just like you know something like oh yeah god's ill versus kong you know it was like embarrassed to be a monster movie but this you know it knows it's a monster really it knows it's stupid that's what my thought process was the first one he's like oh it's just meh and we get some monsters here and there but it's mostly human crap and it's dumb and then the next one comes out and it's like there's those what it's trying to be um captain plank we said he'd give it an eight he gave it a seven oh just oh man of course by one aquaman we said he'd give it a six he gave it a six yep yes oh ding ding ding at man on the wasp we said five he said six damn dude i think we've done really well yeah we only have like good we have one miss and that's it i want yeah because like the other when you're off by one it feels like it should be a win honestly yeah um in the dark movie i haven't even been off by more than one no any of anything other than that and to be fair that's the outlier in his scores because like he gave the other godzilla movie the thing that we expected him to yeah um solo we guessed he'd give it a six and he did okay oh nice yeah black panther we said he'd give it a nine he gave it an eight oh so close we had the right workings we just didn't have the right answer very close baby driver we said he'd give it an eight he gave it a seven wow we're with nailers seriously we know him really well for how little we actually cover him we do know him shockingly well we said he would give resident evil final chapter of five he gave it a five god damn we nailed it and we thought that one would be tough ghost busters the waman one we thought eight okay he gave it a six damn oh two off i mean still i'm so i'm genuinely surprised i would have thought you would pump those numbers i didn't think you'd give it a second i i'm really surprised yeah worst so we can confirm five rise of skywalker is better than ghost busters 2016 yes and sausage party we said he gave it a four gave it a seven all seven really wow he really does like food i guess so so we have two pretty big misses and then one small miss and then the rest would like within one so i'm very happy with that i think that if we're within one i'm happy to count that as like a right and i think if we count all the ones we were within one we got like close to a fucking winning just i would say how many questions whether yeah we did really well i think we only got three wrong there were 22 we did so we got we did damn good oh that's an a plus easily gotta be i i absolutely believe that if movie bob took this quiz we would do better than he did we could tell you we could tell you what movie bob would rate a movie if he's never even seen it within the accuracy of one point yeah we will be able to tell you to be fair a lot of my considerations about his ratings were just what these movies were culturally rather than what's in them yep yeah that's that's a huge part of what my guesses were is like what message can he kind of attach himself to and what in it is a message he wants to that repulses him we know his priorities um we know yeah culturally what happened um relating his priorities to that we know the kind of thing that he's we're also gonna if a movie is really popular i think that tones down in his score and if it's a really unpopular it tones up his score because he is contrarian he does the thing no you know what he's doing he's doing he's basically doing the thing of when you see that a thing is like has like one out of ten you think it's actually a five but you give it a ten to balance out the score that's like definitely what he does but he does i don't think he realizes that's what he's doing i think but like that's the only way he can say yeah rise skywalker it's fine not that bad eight you know also i can use the loot i'll be right back can you talk about movie bob while i'm gone well wait until everyone see it for the next bit so now we just got to talk more about movie bob i guess okay go ahead he's happy he looks happy he's a little twitter picture doesn't he sure but is that is that a i think he's probably angry do you think that that would be a good way to describe movie bob he had that tweet once where he said republicans stole my future for me and he was referring to us on mars with robot legs and stuff uh what like because republicans got in that it was less likely that we're going to be on mars with robot legs if we got all the non republicans in we would have colonized mars by now fully and we would have been transhuman like the problem i mean that's like it seems like generally it's hard to get governments invested in long-term projects like space because it's hard to deliver results for that in four to eight years okay that's that's your theory he's said many times it's about stupid that is my theory but you know what i would wager that i have much more of an investment and interest in space exploration than movie bob does uh no so he's already explained it he said that if we just got rid of stupid people we'd probably be okay what do you mean got rid of them what does that mean get rid of them kill all the conservatives like if they went around it anymore that's what he suggested we just got rid of the conservative Thanos snapping out because i feel like i feel like i've seen that tweet but it's at this point kind of a haze what did he say specifically i think he said like just do what thanas did but with conservatives why would he say that and like post that why would he say it because he thinks that'll save the world how does he not how does he not have the thing that stops him like wait a minute that's pretty fucking evil wait a minute am i palpitating like what's happening man uh man he needs to because when when he says something like republicans stole my future that feels like i was funny i don't know man like give yourself a little bit more agency in life like that if the political party gets in that you don't like like it's not you i don't know like just find a way to keep moving forward well no right you've got to i feel like if you're gonna make a claim like that you've got to talk about what what policy did they enact that actually affected you and that what were the times specifically that policy is not just vague generalities but also like because i don't let's go fringy fringy if the democrats have been elected consecutively for the last you know however many that would have been yeah right we would definitely be on mass with robot legs right yeah probably not at least the robot legs we would have gotten the robot legs well we're getting the robot legs the robot legs are happening no matter what we're definitely gonna get the robot legs you know i would have had we would all have robot legs but we don't do we so yeah i mean but like does does bob like is he really invested in robot legs like is that something you're dealing with who is interesting to me is like the the people that seem most interested in colonizing mars are like the elonites and they generally seem to lean conservative in my experience uh so i'm just gonna say like i'm way more interested in the moon than mars at the moment mars is really far away it's going to be incredibly difficult logistically to go there and retain a moon base mars base moons right there really this is also more practical than mars venus is more mars for like certain projects but like obviously we can never go on the surface of uh venus yeah i don't know what that attitude wow people are starting to think it's much more um it's much more practical what like in terms of an orbital base yeah uh well um there's no protection from radiation on the moon though there's very little on mars too mars has an incredibly thin atmosphere yeah you need to live underground on mars mars has a really fine dust a really fine dust that's filled with a lot of dangerous chemicals um you've got to deal with those martian storms on the moon the main thing you got to worry about is asteroid impacts but if you build in a cave or something that's always an option i also the moon the moon is super rich in resources that may well prove to be useful to us in the future i think the main one is uh aside from like rare earth meadows as i uh helium three that's like theoretically going to be useful in a fusion if that's possible so um another thing about um well venus is um there are uh so correct me if i'm wrong with any of this chat but um the if you have an orbital base you can there is a um uh the correct layer in the atmosphere you have got um livable temperature uh the correct atmospheric pressure and it is non-toxic that's the one i'm least confident on but i think it's non-toxic but so if you had an orbital uh just a floating habitat in that in that level of atmosphere if there was say a leak then some just gas would leak in but there wouldn't be any effects like any ill effects beyond just losing oxygen very slowly um effectively you would have a habitat on another planet where you could open a window if you wanted but you'd have to close it before the air but the air wouldn't be sucked out or anything correct pressure you're sure about that the the one i'm not sure about is non-toxic um but that's like frankly the least important one if you've got the temperature right and the and the pressure then a leak okay that then you've got some toxic stuff inside that you don't want to breathe but uh ultimately that makes the leak incredibly easy to plug um you you the leak isn't catastrophic the the leak isn't like ripping apart your habitat or anything it's not sucking out all the air incredibly quickly okay yeah that's the pressure difference it causes that jay would you like to read this next one um mainly because i want to see if you can get through the whole thing without breaking up um with laughter i don't know i think i may have shown you this before but whoever's seen this before it's fun to see it more than once there's um a subreddit called confessions and some people just post stuff there i don't know if it's real i certainly hope it is okay yeah someone just posted the whole thing and let's give a little read let's give a little read i remember this you show me this i like to creep around my home and act like a goblin i don't know why but i just enjoy doing this maybe it's my way of dealing with stress or something but i just do it around once every week generally i'll carry around a snack and creep around in a sort of crouch walking position making goblin noises that i'll walk around my house and pick up various different trinkets and put them in my bag while saying stuff like i'll be having that and laughing maniacally in my goblin voice trinkets can include anything from shit i found on the ground to cutlery and other utensils the other day i was thinking i was talking with my neighbors and they mentioned hearing weird noises like what i wrote about and i was just internally screaming the entire conversation i'm 99% sure they don't know it's me but god that one percent chance is seriously waiting on my mind i so very much hope this is true i can see it right now i can see oh this is absolutely true this was written by mauler mauler lurking around after he turns off if i have to just like a little loot goblin with a little rock sack don't knock until you try that so this is the kind of thing i would do alone but the things i would only do it once i would i would be like i would just get in a weird mood i would pretend to be a goblin alone in the house i would absolutely do that once but i don't i never make a habit of any of those weird little things i do it's such a weird specific thing that it just feels like it has to be real please be real like no i fully 100 percent believe this this feels like a like god chat you you guys so there are people in chat who just do weird things sometimes when you're alone right there's everybody does weird things probably to some extent that are unconventional when they're alone things that there is uh broadly no reason for you to do it just because you don't like it yeah it's just like oh i'm alone i can go it'll be a goblin you know no we'll say anything i'm like a goblin can you just say goblin is a funny word it just is like i remember i remember realizing a funny word i love it i remember realizing once i was alone in like a house that was like really a long distance away from anything so not only could i be weird i could do it as loudly as i chose there's a reason why i just made the loudest sounds i could do you imagine if someone just i don't know they thought they're alone and they just screamed for some reason just like they're playing a video game and went ah like you're at the top of their lungs well i've done that what but what just because you thought you're alone or i think i wasn't even playing a game i didn't have a reason to it i was alone i i mean i i believe i was i still do believe i was alone and i can't remember what caught like what context must be on a holiday somewhere secluded or something right where i had for whatever reason being left alone in the accommodation and i was just like hmm i will make the loudest noise i can and i did and it was very fun i mean there's usually the awkward thing i don't know do you guys talk to yourselves like sometimes all the time all the god sorry i don't feel so alone now at the good what i'll do is i'll have like an internal monologue and like a conversation i'm imagining will like appear in my brain i'm like just imagine a conversation just comes out like two people yeah myself and another person and then for some reason i'll just say one of the lines of dialogue for myself i do that sometimes sometimes i do that test our voices uh a lot does that count as talking to yourself i guess it does i think that's so no it needs to be a level of weird delusion to what i think to make it talk to yourself it's always something like that that's just like vague and makes no sense out of context like yeah i i i'll just be walking around right and just in my house and i'll be going he will never expect that and then i'll just carry on with my business yeah well something i've noticed i get it i like uh for whatever reason i'll be thinking of dialogue and the stories that i'm never going to finish writing and i'll just start saying it when i'm meant to be thinking it yeah exactly but it's a look all right it's it's when the internal monologue leaks into the real world well i've been i've been doing a lot of my thinking about my vampire stories recently so a lot of them are recently about blood and vampires well i'm sure that bodes well oh yeah oh that's that's genuinely i've just read the real one i can have a real example i was thinking through a conversation of um that this uh like the two characters might have in this world and the only thing that i said out loud was i need blood you just wanted to hear yourself say that you need blood sometimes there's something i don't know sometimes i like to imagine i like to imagine that the FBI agent or whatever was like okay is like the rookie cops like is that enough so it's not enough we need more we have to wait what else i don't think i've ever heard jane friggie interact before you must be doing what what are you talking about what do you think that do you think it's like Frodo and Legolas where the only thing that Legolas ever says to Frodo is in my bow yeah in my bow and that's it they just never say anything they're they're around each other for most of a movie but they just never speak like Legolas shows up for the ad he's just like oh man yes yeah all of the air it's you yeah what's weird about that to me is that they they said this in the chat a stream that we've both been on for for several hours for seven hours i was just putting past all of the other times that we've interacted over the course of years you were the whole three all together it was a whole meme about how jay was on for like every episode in a row for a while like i guess friggy wasn't there for those ones you know well we all i mean we also have done other stuff together outside i guess that's less relevant nope we're just like hanging out in a conversation but they didn't hear it shut up shut up if i can't hear you it's not illegal you've been on my channel a few times i've been on your streams a few times you know we don't need to rational like you're just wrong well no they they for all we know they're right all they said is they don't think they've ever heard us interact before i guess they've just missed it i just jumped in right now like they just jumped in at this very moment they're like guys like this is my first efeb of so what it would make sense i guess they're just coincidentally like fans of both our channels and this is their first efeb episode maybe yeah fringy simpson's reference you already got oh it's not go you just got it it's Homer doing his taxes what was it that flanders said oh taxes pay for like rainbow sunshine and people just don't feel like working god bless him that's a great plan as quote well that and then the part when it's like it's it's the last day they're all getting their taxes and it's like why did you leave your taxes until the last day crusty's like cuz i'm an idiot happy it's like of course not everyone is an idiot some of us uh sent our files to our accountants months ago and then kent's a cabin oh did anyone have a calculator just there with all of these papers what are my favorites is that like it's just over going look at these morons i did my taxes over a year ago i did them last year anyway you guys ready for the next part yep oh don't worry it's not the whole video uh our journal is far from the greatest marvel movie is where is time stampereau 330 okay this was shared on the on the decor and i was like that's pretty funny i'm gonna throw it into the medley so this is a part of someone's review of eternals all right here we go okay much as i wanted to say this movie is a masterpiece there is just some stuff that doesn't work and i've definitely changed some things and that's why i'm gonna explain how i would make eternals the greatest marvel movie and i got you there right first off i'm not a screenwriter i'm sick of people who haven't written a script in their life thinking that they could do better than established filmmakers with you wait um hang on what so that feels like the interesting part isn't here yet but i don't see how these i don't see how these two statements can be yeah because this is a she's point it's clearly about to he's clearly about to uh to deliver the line he's clear but deliver the line but oh but i'm gonna do this for this reason no but i think but there's no but special pleading these two statements can't coexist i could do better but i hate it when people think that they could do better well it's it's a really easy sentiment for someone to express well of course like you some random person can't write better than a screenwriter it's like well maybe you could like i don't know maybe you could yeah i mean i don't think you've ever been especially when we're looking at you know what's being pushed out of hollywood at the moment i thought you were gonna highlight the fact that he said he's annoyed at people who think they can do a better job when he's highlighting on screen someone's saying please remake it and they haven't specified here who should do it they just said they want someone to remake it yeah all right yeah yeah yeah which is kind of a different thing that's just saying i don't like it please try again which yes i think the most popular one for that was season 8 game thrones i actually thought maybe there was a chance they would do it now i'm thinking about so i remember when uh mass effect 3 came out and everybody hated the ending i remember a video was colin moriarty when he was working at ign that like he disliked the sentiment of i didn't like it make it again as like an expression of a perspective the like you should kind of just accept the uh what the story that you've been presented because is what they wanted to do um i feel like that's another one of those like instantly agreeable ones where it's like wouldn't know like i i think it sucks um yeah that was your idea and that's cool and all but i hate it like well that has literally happened if i if there were people out there who despised all of the extended universe content they're like i hate where luke has gone i hate where layer is gone please do it again then they go we have decanonized it we're releasing movies be like ah sweet we get another chance and that person was probably really happy with the result but you see what i mean like the there's a sense of what is canon what is it it's totally disney could have done it they could have decanonized all the sequels and so we're going to do them again they could you know like the idea is too offensive or unreal or just like come on it's the story they made it's like i guess there's a sense that it's capitulating right that you've compromised the artistic integrity by capitulating to popular demand what do you think disney would do though if divide between fans and creators like we're supposed to be at odds with each other that kind of thing if a wizard well i mean i understand if they remake the sequels they'll be guaranteed 10 trillion i'm pretty sure they'd do it yeah of course they would that would be because of money i wonder what their price would be but if they said like you got a decanonized sequels and remake them and i will make sure they end up being you know super profitable surely surely any it would just be whatever can confirm the net profit because right the reason that they don't remake every movie they've ever made is that they know that right after the fucking 10th remake of the same movie that people probably wouldn't go out for it anymore say that the 10th but if the profit well let's say 10 million and it's like yeah well is that is that worth the compromise so if they realized that all they had to do was release a new remake of fucking Lion King every year then they would and that was a very profitable strategy then of course that's what they did well but there's a certain amount of profit they're looking for right like that's kind of what i'm saying i wonder what the price would be to make them do it because they have to weigh up the image of being like yes we're decanonizing at work because people hate it ultimately the image is something that is just another factor for profit right that um yeah so yeah so they'd have to weigh it up if they thought because i mean they they put the concentration camp in the credits of their Mulan thing i don't think they thought they would that would do well for their image i thought at best they thought no one would notice and to clarify someone could be like well why wouldn't they just do the ultimate timelines that should be like this is an alternate episode i was like well so as part of the deal they are forced to you know decanonize that's like the requirement well can they are they gonna do the same things like this is legends now sure they're literally gonna say this doesn't count actually fuck yeah let's go hardcore they go no they don't exist in any way shape or form we're scrubbing them from fucking existence if you have the blue rays good luck they're not gonna be on any streaming service that's all you got they're gonna erase them from history yeah i wonder how much profit to be promised would make them do it i don't know at that point at that point you'd be they'd be uh stepping on actors right they'd be well there there's within their rights to do it right oh yeah they are this is what i'm saying they'd be so i'm sure accountants everywhere would be like okay you got a way of the fact that you're gonna do this is this wizard has said what 50 million profits like i don't know i don't know if that'll be worth it in the long run for all of this can we buy the wizard anyway uh funnily enough that's uh so yeah he said that uh i'll roll him back a little bit as well let's let's see where he goes marble movie i got you there right first off i'm not a screenwriter i'm sick of people who haven't written a script in their life thinking that they could do better than established filmmakers with years of experience if i was in charge i would explain every single thing to the audience that's yours to the imagination some people don't grasp power mystery boxes are great writing guys why do you feel like you have the right to criticize mollus capacity to give suggestions on writing yeah he screen wrote a fucking video what's so weird right because we do this right i hate the idea that people think that they can tell established critics who've been at it for years that they can do better yeah i've been criticizing for before you were born boy you you can't be doing this yeah let's not go down that road but also you have no idea how many stories i've written or screenplays i've given out i could be under a fake name could be ones i kept to myself or pushed around to different people of high positions it could be that some of them have been made into movies how would you know for sure and whether if i revealed that to be true i said guys turns out i'm michael bay and you're like whoa would you that'd be like i really respect your your filmography dude no you'd be like oh you're you made man do you hate transformers like the show i'd be like no no no i i had a lot of fun making it it's um it's such a bad argument it's so weird it's like it's out of left field i um i very rarely do any kind of script editing in my videos and if they usually tweaks to a scene to try only to prove you didn't have to do the contrivance or you didn't have to do the the poor dialogue i'm trying to be like look you could do this that achieves this and this like i oftentimes want to be able to maintain the scene as they intended just to try and prove that it's possible it was because if you remember a lot of people will defend certain bad writers being like well what else can they do like that you know that they're stuck here or something there's a lot of that for um rise of sky walker right we have a lot of them imaginationally stunted people you could say be disappointed if you were michael bay well that's kind of my point um i don't think it increases my pedigree it's just an outlet mallard it's just an outlet for mallard to make those movies and it's just for funsies you know get it out of a system orage i would explain every single thing to the audience and leave nothing to the imagination it's definitely not my preference he's zooming in yeah he's coming into the angry white man because that's what you are as we have hooks people don't grasp how hard it is to make anything and that it's only easy very good yeah i don't like how you don't grasp how hard it is to make a long damn from critique of uh to i guess yeah you suck yeah i mean that's that's kind of fair but at the same time um i usually try and focus on writing and i try to avoid saying like nobody put any effort into any part of the production jesus that's good it's really impossible to say that about any film if it was like pretty much with every film you're always going to have people who are working incredibly hard yeah we often lament the fact that a lot of these graphic artists and CGI magicians and music you know musicians and all these people make up and costumes they they pour their heart and souls into these projects and then they hire some fucking clowns to write the script and it's all for nothing well here's the thing i wonder i go for it go for it i'm specifically wondering who he has in mind what is he saying all of this me i'm not sure wow i guess wait are you sure he specifically referenced me i figure that me is one of the people at least did he show did he show your video but but i mean i guess it feels like he's um see that bit a lot of a lot of the really talented a lot of the really talented like creators who we sort of recognize like it's a common one from jackie chen right you're not going to go around to every theater and explain how hard you worked and how it took too long to get this shot so you gave up and did something else like you're not going to go around and uh i was rewatching the bungee stuff something that um that uh i god damn i've totally forgot his name um i can't believe that jones jason jones jason jones um where he just talks about like at the end of the day nobody really cares like how hard you work they don't care if it took you like an hour if it took you like six years and i think he said like six years and 20 gallons of blood nobody really cares how hard you worked at the end of the day um all they care about is like what you've created um it's kind of an attitude it's super important to have when it comes to creating anything because it just puts things into perspective like i'm people appreciate hard work obviously and people don't want to shit on somebody who they know has worked really hard but at the end of the day they are receptive to good material and bad material more so than they are receptive to your hard work well you know well you know what we see a lot we see people dismissing something as like soulless and made without hard and just like you know what i think what probably works really hard on spine man we see and we see the opposite we see some we see people saying love has clearly gone into something um even when you know they don't actually know anything about the particular creative process that went on behind the scenes and they're assuming because it is a product of quality that it must have been a high effort venture um of passion but ultimately if they found out that it wasn't that wouldn't change their opinion of the quality of the piece right i think it's worth mentioning as well that um we could be flippant with the concept but like we could actually be like look at these costumes the amount of effort that went into these and then the little costume designer is like oh that that's like me on i did that in a couple minutes like that's just some older stuff i threw it together like honestly this is one of my lowest effort projects ever we're like oh and then we could review a script and be like jesus christ because they put any effort into this and the guy's like i worked for five years on it but yeah yeah like it can be used as a sort of flippant remark but ultimately if you were to like absolutely have us nailed down whether or not we believe someone worked hard on it on an entire production and how does that factor into judging it we'd just be like well we try not to think about whether or not um they put effort in right uh but at the same time if we notice something that's really good that is one of the formats for appreciating it that's just it seems well i mean you know i think i have a perfect example right now from earlier in the stream as i imagine a shit ton of really hard work went into the skywalker saga but if we saw it without the context of knowing that it was crunched to a deadline we probably wouldn't assume that yeah well you know like the the really bad CGI in in black panther the people who made that probably worked fucking hard that's how it ended i had no doubt yeah oh because that was another crunched deadline one right i'm pretty sure yeah um and and it's it's really sad um because you just like yeah because it looks like piss and it will forever because it that one's not getting updated i've gone wrong yeah yeah another point is probably not worth it to update that the cost versus benefit um um well i mean unless they release like a black panther special edition down the line or something right yeah well it'll be like you know some extra footage some updated effects that kind of thing yeah jay you thought this is see this is my video but he's cropped out my name i saw i saw i had a i had a scroll back in a look storage i would explain every single thing to the audience and leave nothing to the imagination some people don't grasp how hard it is to have no imagination i mean it's only easy to criticize once the finished product is already there so yeah i'm not saying this what else are we supposed to criticize it's a pretty common complaint the eternals would have worked better as a tv series instead and i agree i think more screen time would have allowed these characters to it feels really weird to me that he had that spiel and now he's talking about the better format for this film it's like so you're already breaking your own rules well he's done the disclaimer right and he's just saying well you know it's not that i definitely know better like 100 it's just this is my opinion in what i would do right which sounds like as a disclaimer all that does is is tell is is say i don't have 100 confidence in this is like myself being a god you know it's it's essentially positing to the audience i have a reasonable amount of confidence in my ideas not non-reasonable but mulla does not it's like oh all right well yeah so it's like he wants everything explained no mystery i was like why don't we will say that is that the only god there's a reason that i don't make these kind of claims in my video unless i'm doing like a joke because like yeah i i don't want to do a disclaimer it's like yeah i'm actually being reasonable i'm not the people aren't i'm not being unreasonable i'm being reasonable just make me put put that in your head before you watch i'm being reasonable yeah i guess you got a couple people being like why why with the part shots and so you put a little comment on the video to explain the situation all right nice and easy okay my issue with mulla isn't that he criticizes movies it's his style of long form criticism he nitpicks so hard beyond exhaustion yes because that's how i describe my work exhaustion and people only eat it up because it reaffirms their opinion that last Jedi bad he also made a 10 hour response to a woman who said she didn't like joker which is pathetic whatever could he really going to that thing he definitely watched i have to make an edit to this call such a fucking shitty reality that so many people believe that talking about a woman's bad opinion is just not allowed what the fuck is women are just allowed to have bad opinions which is an interesting view you have on women but okay well well we don't know where the emphasis is in in this particular comment right you know maybe maybe why mention she's a woman at all he's just saying well because that is the noun in the sentence he could have said person someone yeah why would because you know you know with everything you've seen about this the fact that jenny is a woman is incredibly relevant it's always because the pathetic part is obviously trying to avoid that i think i don't think it's relevant i think we think it's relevant but i wouldn't say that we can confirm to this that it's the crux i think you might think that yeah this will help you know this will this will just make people you know slightly more inside as they're listening to what the actual point is some well there's there's so many key parts right it's the fact that it's 10 hours we can't know the fact that you're responding to someone saying they simply didn't like a thing and then i'm pretty sure a woman is very deliberate in that sentence yeah i mean i assume it's deliberate um yeah it's just like it's not even a man they're responding to well it's a woman which means they hate women this is the um this is the edit that i wanted to make to the comment here it comes ah there we go to a woman that would be funny so uh uh yeah i don't know i would just so if you were at the call right now you'd be like look 10 hours is excessive and then we would just do a couple examples things here and they're explaining there's more that's just blah blah until you can see the 10 hours fine then if you actually tried to argue you shouldn't be doing it to women but you can't do it to men or something i don't think you would want to try and argue that because you would fall apart in seconds then you would have to be like all she said was she didn't like joker and then i'll be like i've cited every time she said the movie's message was don't take your medication or something along those lines is when she was guessing the theme that is a shit opinion i should be allowed to criticize it okay simple as that and that's an example of many things she says about the movie her video on joker was really bad it's not about whether or not she likes it i don't care if she dislikes it that's fine like the the um the the the whole like um it's bad because it's a response to a woman thing is something that loads of people will say but normal will actually argue because as soon as they try to make a point in favor of that position it you know they have to think about it and it's like hang on no one no one actually tries to argue that it's it's worse to respond to her because she's a woman people will because it was never an argument to begin with people will occasionally argue that you only went after her because she's a woman and then you have to just point them in the direction of all the input very clear evidence that that's not the case and then they have nothing i mean i can never convince them but the reason i went for the video is because joker was a new movie a lot of people were enjoying it some people weren't a popular creator has a video tearing it down and i was like let's cover it let's see what she has to say and i even think i said that i've liked a decent amount of jenny nixon's videos in the past so like all i can all my all i can see is that my failure was to respond to a woman that's because if if it were a guy if it were like nostalgia critic or even you know like someone that's got a better reputation um i can i don't know if it was critical if it was moist critical doing that pretty sure the ripple effect it still would have been there i think chat would have been upset with us but um you know it wouldn't be remembered it would just be among many it's it's also just very clear deliberate wording right because i got he also made a 10 hour response to a woman who said she didn't like joker right so that could be fragrance of like the the podcast episode where he covers jenny nixon's joker video is 10 hours long but that doesn't sound as punchy it's it's it's just very i mean it's all it's i don't know what you mean pretty much dishonest wording really well to be fair he might have been told this that might be his own oh yeah that's true which is probably likely to be honest with you i mean remember like you fucking watched it you know chud logic what what i was just like let's just have a chat i was just like there's just so many things that you would know about us that are not anything you would have confirmed and i think that's not his fault it's not anyone's fault really it's it's a reality of how we do information as a civilization there's a lot of things that the four of us right now probably assumed to be very true that aren't at all the varying degrees of importance of course what i'm referring to more so is things that we're told to be true we don't check we're just like oh yeah that's that's that i know that and then like it's not that and you're like it's not that for example cad bane species somebody told me that and i confidently said it to you guys and it's like that's not true it was like fuck whoops it's yeah i guess because i just i believed it to be true which we do with a lot of stuff that whenever you see like a factoid in an article header i think all of us are willing to be like that's true then right that's true i mean maybe not so much anymore i feel like i think it's a long list of time i've got rid of that end stake now an article headline is now worth nothing in my mind yeah it's because that's because we're not idiots um it can be very difficult to reason people out of a position that they did not reason themselves into they can just they latch on to something and that's just the way that it is and they'll just they can hold on to it some people are just like that and it's unfortunate yeah uh i would hope the video was more appealing than just to the people who already disliked the last Jedi obviously the point of it was to be far more definitive about just just why i think it failed to achieve what it was trying to achieve but let alone whether or not it's just inconsistent that's my metric for the thing being bad but a lot of people have just said over time it's like all the videos are you just repeating this bad over and over again people love us like all right uh so um this comment found its way onto our coverage of a certain sputamen a certain sputamen who can't find his way home yeah take it away my goodness right let's see this is tamax the 10th he is the latest in a long line of tamaxes for the first 40 minutes i thought this e-fap was everyone just ironically claiming to have liked this film then it's slowly dawned on me that you guys must have been paid quite a bit for the cfap i thought it was horrible and i'm wondering how much disney and sony finally paid you guys to sell out and praise an awful film i guess everyone has a price just curious what that final price was like a meme troll comment or i think what is the film sorry why do i no way home um uh so it was a hundred k but it was split between anybody who appeared on the podcast and spoke positively about it so it was yeah you know splitting lots of ways but yeah when sony disney contacted us i was just like i mean why not but i made them agree that it couldn't be for longer than literally today is the end of the contract so uh we can now speak freely about sputamen no way home you guys want to go ahead oh it's terrible it's horrible i i hate it you know who um who actually has the right idea about that film is um tomax x you guys should like and subscribe to tomax x he's he knows what's up um yeah i mean smart i feel like we went over a lot of the flaws of the film you know um yeah and um and we even specified we felt one of the characters was dramatically assassinated uh which is not something we take lightly it's just that there's a hell of a lot of character work in it i like how it couldn't just be that we like that movie yeah and we spent many many many many hours explaining in anal detail why we felt the way that we did yeah i guess i just find it funny that it would be like oh you like this movie sold out like what the what what a bizarre conclusion to jump to well yeah like so go back to your Snyder vs buddies or over the average out of five out of ten yeah we did i think even if we all had an extremely bad take on something i don't think that yeah that's more likely would be that we were paid yeah that's just funny to me that's all um this next one is um it's mainly looking for clarification and i figured when i saw it that i guess it could be worthwhile because it kind of relates to the adaptation stuff that was a bigger a big boy last media medley this is um the only instance of it this time i just thought it'd be interesting to i'll i'll go over and hopefully explain anything but you guys can chime in if need be this is on the reddit i said while doing super chats fit oh evap 164 this is the hypocrisy of evap by the way more said there wouldn't be an evap breakdown of the netflix cowboy bebop because he hasn't seen the anime and feels unqualified to talk about it now before carrying on i would want to make sure i qualify that to be unqualified in my head can mean a bazillion things and in this instance i was talking about having a passion for the original and being able to explain where they're going wrong with the adaptation because that is what a lot of viewers would be invested in and that's not something that i can fit the bill for however i am qualified to watch the tv show on netflix and talk about whether or not it's working in the same vein that i'm doing with halo um though i don't care because i haven't watched it and i certainly wouldn't end up caring about this new one from what i'm gathering um so that's what that means going on they say the problem in the exact same episode he friggin metal broke down dune 2021 without having read the dune novel by his own logic wouldn't that mean he's unqualified to talk about the film um i don't feel the same way about the dune movie because it's been adapted before and i haven't read the book sure but i can at least talk about the movie in that instance i felt like it's a sci-fi movie and a lot of people are looking for everyone's general opinions i don't think people were looking specifically for how good of an adaptation it is or rather only that people were also looking to see how well it stood on its own from what i was gathering and i had i have a level of passion for like fantasy sci-fi all that stuff more so than i did um whatever that looked like netflix's cowboy bebop i was like dune looks cool i liked an evil noobs look and style i was just curious about how a script would go um and i think i i did give dune a positive writing overall um i enjoyed it i will be watching the next one so yeah i assume that's clear but it goes on um this has been bothering me since bvse fat movies more and crew will go on and on about how piece of media has stood on its own which i agree with but then he'll allow meme repository to put in edits of uh sub-am does that sound like sub-am the anime series superman i'm supposed to superman the animated series maybe yeah uh to showcase that lex luther is uh lex luther as a way to shit on the bvs lex the the point here and we've gone over this before with memes edits he's just showing an alternative as far as we're concerned not um why you've adapted poorly but it can double up as that remember we don't mind people talking about whether or not something's faithful that's okay and we will talk about it if we're aware of the source for example if they make a bio shock movie or show based on the first game you could bet your ass we're gonna talk about whether or not it was faithful but we're also probably gonna talk more so about whether or not it's actually any good in the same vein probably um i imagine uh when we do the halo episode we're gonna talk about how they've deviated from the original lore i won't be but they will be and then that's probably gonna help inform how they've got missteps if you looked at the thing in isolation this is something that came up with game thrones um and the tisha plotline many in chat will know what i'm talking about they only took pieces of it and so it got butchered because the story doesn't uh stand on its own until you have all of the pieces so you can see how they did it by adapting poorly it led to the thing not being able to stand on its own it's a little i can see how you might get confused but ultimately we're still talking about whether or not it stands on its own lex luther fucking terrible in bvs and it's like would you like to see a lex luther from superman the animated series to see how lex luther could have been done and at the same time it does appeal to those who wanted to see that lex luther adapted properly whether it's accurate to the comics or accurate to the show whatever hopefully that makes sense um it says i just really like him as an actor however the problem isn't that the bvs lex is a gender-bent alice from batwoman the problem is that his plan makes no sense when i went to see bv yet which i'd pretty sure we went over a lot um oh yeah when i went to see bvs the theater owner didn't sit me down and have me read all superman comics and watch s tass in its entirety i had to judge the film on its own merits that's same for me i have no real weird stuff to work with for lex luther i just knew that he was a powerful guy really um just like efab constantly says we have to you do not have to do that um but you're gonna need to if you want to talk about how whether or not it stands on its own like you need to not just appeal to the source because that's how you judge films objectively you can be um you can appear you can strive to be objective when talking about how faithful it is if you've defined faithfulness as basically just being how close do you match the source i think you can probably try and do that with those little biases you can try to you have it you have a standard that you're judging something off of yeah um trying to be objective is just a matter of trying to remove whatever biases might be uh fucking up your viewpoint that's all and so you could talk about adaptation or you could talk about whether or not it stands on its own in terms of consistency um it gets it gets memed a bit but like we're all aware of trying to talk about something while removing our own feelings and talking about what we perceive to be the craft or we've agreed upon with others to be the craft uh if i made a review of lord the rings films and only talked about how they differed from the books that would be subjective because not everyone in my audience might have read the books so not necessarily um you could in a very robotic way be like this is the dialogue from this scene and this is how they changed it in the film this is uh you know you could talk about whether or not the spirit is maintained or whether or not the information that's given between characters is changing um you know that there's what i'm i'm saying is you could do that and then the other extreme is like you go uh tom bombardil was in the books he's not in the films and i don't like that bad you know and it's like well that's not very helpful as an argument we're gonna want a little bit more so there's still a sliding scale as far as i'm concerned with that but again it would still be all in the realm of adaptation rather than whether or not it stands alone as a product and one of the ways to sort of look at this is um if a lot of people ripped into the spider-man trilogy like by looking at its uh accuracy you just want to ask them the hypothetical how do these films do if spider-man never existed outside of these films there was no content at all except these films now it can be hard to imagine that for a person especially if you're like really really a spider-man i understand that but that's a that's a possibility to answer right like how do the sequels do if you if you pretend for a moment the ot doesn't exist i shouldn't use that example because people are gonna get confused it's the same continuity adaptation isn't um but at the same time that what i'm trying to express is that could be difficult to do like how do i how do i think of luke in tlj without knowing him from the ot it's like well yeah could you and what what result do you get um i would argue that those films fall the fuck apart regardless of the ot but when they're using the ot as continuity to benefit themselves they also take all of what rules were established in the ot and thus you can judge it against how they're crit uh contradicting them as well okay wait wait wait um now these are a bit a bit a bit uh i had assumed more i didn't like the adaptation argument because it's entirely subjective and he's all about objectivity i'm actually fine with people talking about whether or not something's faithful it's just dependent on whether or not i can do it like if rags and free talk extensively about how faithful halo is i'm mostly just gonna be listening and being like like vibing just being like i don't know what a a profit is really but sure like what what does he do all i know him is from halo wars and he fires a big laser um he's the boss of the bad guys maybe i don't know yeah and you know i i already picked a bit some bobs from having played halo but i'm more than fine with people having that discussion um i'm definitely not like anti it but i can see how that may have come across because there will be times where i just couldn't give less of a fuck right like and i think everybody has that sometimes and sometimes not it just depends on that if that's the conversation but i guess when you assume you really do make an ass out of you and me all i ask zfab crew is if they'd be consistent with this judgment i posted something similar on the muller uploads between this post in the comment more will be able to respond hopefully that explains it i don't know if you guys have anything else to add to that no i think that was uh very thorough the reason we do something in one scenario is not necessarily the reason we do it in another scenario yeah if you want us because like we didn't talk about how well hillhouse was adapted and our coverage of that but it's just because none of us care about the original work none of us really know how well it was adapted all i've been told is it was poorly adapted like all right if someone out there makes a video exclusively going over how poorly adaption is or adaptation is i i don't think that's a waste of work and i don't think it's exclusively subjective i think they're going to just describe a lot of things that are uh you know just reality they'll be like this is this and it's not this in the show this is not faithful like by descriptions they give them that's totally fine um do you want me to put that on screen j yes please it is kind of summarizes everything we just went over basically if we were to sum it all up yes um we say this every time it comes up and that's okay we're gonna have to talk about that again sometime because we always do the complicated one we're uh we're like the only people on the internet i think they have this sort of view when it comes to trying to judge everything um but yeah all right we're we're closing in on what you could call the end here oh boy we still got some fun fun fun fun idea i had it was totally my idea it wasn't because i was watching things that happened on jay's channel and realized oh that would be neat hey so um you know it shouldn't take too long but i feel like we should all just just have a go uh you guys have heard of um akinator before yes oh no i haven't akinator is a little game but dude i first played this in high school like this is an old boy no the idea is he's a little internet genie and um what he'll do is ask you a series of questions and once you answer them enough he will try and guess who you're thinking of so you put someone in your head and so it's a verse 20 question or something or yeah i'll um i'll go first to give you an example right but if you get the stream up he says he says does your character really exist which jay i'm gonna need help what does that mean if you know what does he ever really exist because if it would be it'd be yes right but yeah so like are they a person in reality or in fiction fiction or yeah i assume that's what they mean the character again so who are we asking who are we asking questions for we're trying to get him to guess more all right because he knows youtube personalities we'll see what happens is your character from youtube great question yes is your character american no character british yes character known for minecraft gaming no your character live in canada no is your character in the sideman crew no your character live with their parents uh that's going to be one of them you hit don't know because that's not really something that i don't think that's entered my channel at all does your character have a gaming channel i'll be a no right um yeah i guess i would say it won't be a specific one right so no your character white yes unfortunately is your character linked to music in general i'd say no character linked with sports no character superpowers well yes kind of i mean it depends on the law there's the funny thing about academic to me is that we've already established that you're a real person from reality and it's still asking if you have superpowers yeah they stopped perfect i'm really gonna narrow it down well look what he just asked me is your character a youtuber it's like yeah i kind of yes your character played gbaud not really now character from tokyo ghoul no character you swear words yes character over 27 yes character guitar player no no associated with nick jonis no linked with cause definitely not so character dressed like a maid no your character completely hairless um i mean it's with the mask you could like i i think that people are either gonna click no or don't know to this one or we don't know your character rage often i guess so with the titles wow okay so i think people will probably click um probably not for hairless to be fair it believes i am dany g from smith wick birbigham smith wick sounds like a wombo place it sounds like a wombo person um it's a person now that's all smith wick over there we'll get we'll give another show because what you do then is your no that's not me because i continue sure your character wear red um a little bit sometimes hi yeah so does that count enough do you reckon or no i think so but yes character over youtube silver play button yes your character hide their face i suppose you'd call it hiding i don't it's not really hidden but sure hide hide it's your character wear a bandana um no character a clown no are you linked with speed no between 20 and 25 didn't i just say i'm older than 27 you're dead so your character no beauty pie no kind of red eyes yeah your character numbers in the name close my my name sometimes has a 93 in it 93 yeah so what should i say for this one that's confusing actually i don't know don't know go don't know well the thing is it's not going to give like it might you know it's going to expect mixes of different answers for some different people for questions i'm thinking of if it's drawing it from my youtube channel i'm pretty sure i'm called mauler on there right now so it wouldn't be numbers but you are at a smaller 93 oh well don't know it's fine i don't know you don't have to commit one way or the other does your character use guns don't really know no small tentacles your character linked with cinema yeah your character of a 400k followers on tick talk no i don't have people here no actor from austria no felt like we were getting some way there oh film critic yeah oh you got me i think i think when i did this on uh my channel oh you're quicker than this yeah you got him the first round i think but um there you go i cannae to guest me good job so who would like to go next i'm guessing it's not rags guess not right so like where's the i feel i'm not sure i'm not sure i want to do this right now i've already been on my channel you know okay do you want to do it for any chance i would rather not i i imagine it's not going to work but sure if we can ever try all right is your character real i i don't know what that means in the context well jay said it means that they're not from like a i think free to you exist well i do exist yeah as far as i'm aware we're gonna oh yeah all right yeah he's your character male yeah your character a youtuber yes your character american no your character indian no character british no your character of a gaming channel um you know twitch kind of counts doesn't it i'm gaming channel i guess but like in part the fact that you asked if you were a youtuber implies to me that he's asking if you have a youtube channel additionally this gaming which you don't i know that implies so i don't really know not yet anyway i assume no is the correct answer your character muslim no is your character live with their parents uh i think that's an unknown well we're trying to go no um your character asian man i'm trying to get around the whole planet no oh it's loading your character australian yeah yes your character swear a lot uh yeah i guess i swear enough that it probably counts as a lot your character part of a comedy duo that's interesting i i i guess if you count like phoenix the the koala but i doubt that counts right so i don't know i i'm scared should we say don't know maybe say don't know i wouldn't want to stand back in the wrong direction because i don't know if he's aware of yeah yeah is your character perform on stage uh no unless even purpose the internet is a stage but yeah let's say no your character linked with video games yes mm-hmm is your character dating their student where is our student so the answer you know is your character play fortnite no why man i played it once like several years ago but i don't think that counts does your character have a beard uh no your character from toontown online nope is your character linked with the color blue no your character does your character hide their face uh i guess it can't well yeah because i i think canonically in my head there there is a face under date that plays octo mosque all right we'll go yes all right does your character live in romania didn't he ask if you live in australia i asked him i'm surprised this thing has been going for like two decades or some shit that's still asking questions is your character his a historian no oh your character known for minecraft gaming nope uh did you character play video games with a group uh sometimes hmm not really so like maybe probably not i mostly just play games on my own they probably not um so he's guessing your code bullet the youtuber well i mean that's not correct so i guess i have to try again all right let's see what else he's got be fair you do have a similar vibe to code bullet yeah i don't know who that is he speaks really good videos yeah he's great okay does your character want rent one friend like do i want to be a landlord or something i have no clue what this means i mean i i guess no not right now anyway do you want rent free is your character what's your question is that is your character an adult man yeah all right does your character have over 10k tiktok followers nope i realize now that's probably filled with tiktok it doesn't know this database probably does your character have black hair i don't i don't uh i mean that wouldn't be like a i don't know but i don't know that that would like count i think i think people are gonna answer it for you in real life um right i don't think people are probably gonna guess that you have black hair well naturally uh well maybe like probably because i guess the problem is it like the fringy character that's something that you never see i was gonna say i'm probably better to go for don't know because you really don't know what yeah probably don't know is your character rather round no uh no no the art doesn't imitate life in this case fringy be like i'm round and what rent does your character have any children no does your character have very dark skin i mean i have dark skin darker than like a white person i feel like that's a non-factor with the character so i don't know what like that actually that's true because this fringy the character wouldn't call green i feel like people are going to be people are going to be counting like i think that people are going to be imagining that like like the re like the i think people are going to be imagining that picture of what they imagine you to really look like under the mask what people are going to be doing yeah but here's the thing i'm pretty sure like there are still people who are consistently surprised uh by what and also just there's plenty of people that could just answer it as though yeah it's saying it's a green man so that's saying i don't know i don't know yeah i'd say i don't know on that one is your character changed their hair color no is your character a frog yes i mean i'm it's probably going to be yes right like it has to me to fit into the uh it's not true it's not true but it's probably gonna i don't know where this is gonna take us does your character live with friends i know or unknown i guess does your character play just cause three i played just cause three i think i uploaded a video once that was just cause three uh i played it i played just cause three and i played a video on youtube i mean should we go with yes that or uh yeah maybe that's the thing that's good that's an oddly specific question i wonder if that's gonna go down it's out your martin's citerpants the frog well i feel like it's been totally thrown off because yes the frog is it it never gets thrown off by just one answer i think yeah it just looks at statistically what people generally give yeah he does give up eventually that's why it works um so is your character linked with the sea no it's your character a senior citizen no no it's your character is your character a member of robust i i don't know what no no the character use swear words yeah yeah but i thought we already asked we did yeah i guess let's ask again in case you got questions wrong or something was your character born in australia yeah uh is your character associated with it already asked me is your character associated with fashion no i don't think so your character a member of the wild wild pussy cats no now you know it's true guys uh is your character part of the amp squad no none of these sound familiar your character linked with the color red no i thought it hasn't asked about green yet for some reason does your character have a nickname linked with animals no your character have more than one channel yes your character an internet meme yeah um show you don't know for that just in case i don't know i don't know yeah does your character have a tattoo on the back of his head no no does your character wear a mask probably has to probably not for that question surely does your character have a body yeah what am i a floating cloud yeah does your character play rust no does your character live in australia you already it's already asked that yeah are you watching your character right now i mean i guess i've got my screen pulled up um so i don't know why a little what he's thinking when he's asking that maybe like yeah how could that how could that help how could the information yeah yes i am okay cool i don't want to send him the wrong direction i'm just gonna say don't know for that one yeah does your character have brown hair we don't know we answered this before i don't know does your character play arc survival evolved uh no haven't played that the character linked to the call of duty franchise i don't know what links would be i guess i've talked about call of duty before but i feel like that's not a link so i guess it would be like if people associated it with you i don't know why no i did your character sometimes wear a mask what yes your character a hair color uh a mixture of red and brown i thought we already said that doesn't that's like no i'm known it is guessed you are faceless the youtuber wow that's incorrect as well i feel like this is not gonna work usually um does give up eventually but if we just say no to continue name who you thinking of it was uh bringy back hopefully we help the database bringy well after playing it on stream in front of 2000 people you're probably entering the database pretty soon people try to cast you are in the database apparently oh okay just didn't the factoids aren't exactly um anyway well so j you said you didn't want to because uh you can actually find j playing this and looking specifically for j on on the on wouldn't it be give me a sanity no it'd be friggy i have the friggy my channel is friggy on youtube bringy um rags do you would you like to play oh nah it's all right i i'm i'm amused by it so it's a very i wonder if um you know that if if it's ever been updated you know if it has j because it seems about as shit as it was back in the day like i swear i remember it used to be better than it is now because i feel like people must have fucked with it um where you know like clever what used to be better than it than it is now because enough people discovered it that they gave it really shit answers and it learned from them um well all we've got left now is one more little uh little screenshot that was posted in the discord from uh someone in europe i don't know uh the screenshot this and i read it and i was amused so i i decided to pop it on here um you guys want to um well you know it's up for anybody you go right ahead anybody wants to um oh this guy i okay so they've said in response to theo uh i don't think anyone as far as the i can see understands the essence of character development or the essence of stories nor is there anyone on this planet who understands game design except myself therefore i don't think there's anything useful in the critical drinkers videos what he proposes isn't mind-blowing it's still boring and i feel like it kind of peter's off at the end when we go past that nobody on the planet understands game design except you gotta put that up on screen you got it all right it's on the way we got some incredible artwork from the fads um it's it's uh i don't know what could you say other than uh exquisite i would argue different this is me in the future when i become a landlord the lord of the land with all of the all of your property belongs to me i come out of the apartment i can't you're all my surfs and i owed everything i owed everything i look at this country all right that's not like that's gonna be impossible i did not mean to distract too much there because we did that that quote sorry sorry yeah yeah the the the the the the the only person who knows the game why what what makes someone say that like what this is a crazy person this guy he has mentioned defat before he is a crazy weirdo who is he uh i think he's a youtuber people are shit and full he's the one that said uh there's no such thing as bad graphics i think no it's not yeah he's because he said like a pixel pixels yeah yeah um wait what that's true of every aspect of a game there that's true of every aspect of existence and reality if you want to go look at that far if you wanted yeah if you wanted to go that i don't know why you would find that enlightening because it's just like oh yeah so what about colloquially are there anything at such thing it's like what do you think everyone's referring to collectively when they say bad graphics versus good graphics yeah like on a universal scale the universe doesn't recognize good or bad graphics but i mean like people when they make broad general qualitative statements collectively there's some value in that i mean it's complicated right like what looks nice and doesn't it's super duper complicated um because why is it now that for instance there's uh there's like a developer who made a bloodborne for playstation 1 to where like playstation 1 that if you asked 10 years ago it'd be like insane graph like it you know really bad graphics that now that's become a style again kind of in the same way that 8 bit and 16 bit um um it's a style yeah uh but yeah he's he's people have shared different strange things that he said over time in the discord and when i saw this one i was just like the door is there any what all this planet who had the stats gave design except for myself it's like okay he's the guy who thinks that you stole molly you stole all your tlj critique like from him like you got the idea for it all from him oh we've just channeled now and he's got a very on him before he is a crazy person i am i'm just channeling he's got a very popular force awakens video and a very popular roguan video both titled this is the worst movie of all time but about their respective films one of those has got to be incorrect do you have one for tlj then no he has a video called update on my last jedi review i don't know last jedi review all right well i mean i'm working through uh force awakens gradually but um i doubt his videos are as long as is even one of mine longer than his and what i'm saying is that it's a good chance i've got some extra stuff in there so don't you worry but um i would have honestly like i know how it sounds but um he's got an hour long he's got a he's got a last jedi video the biggest part is it yeah it's it's in his videos and the third line yeah i'm having a look nine months ago how are you the biggest inspiration for the tba video so he does would have been er i missed that um man that that update went but that there was three years in between that update in that video oh hey uh this is no the update is two months once he had another hang up no he has he has a video called um update on my last jedi review um and it's from four years ago oh so this is this when he says update on the last jedi review three years later and that was two months before it came out so man he really is letting us know that uh it was coming well that's it was coming i uh come when i mouse over his video it plays your um oh when i when i mount you because you know you can mouse over videos and it plays the little preview it's your video it's it's your tarkin talking to oh it is was he like responding to it or something i don't know it's just a preview it's that clip okay um i was just gonna say that like i actually i checked out a metric ton of people's reviews across like the entire sequel trilogy for the tfa project um i was i was invested in seeing what uh what it was the tfa did you know that that worked so well because obviously it worked on me as well um it was super interesting to gather all of the the sort of reasoning i'm actually looking forward to getting those um final parts done someday because there's a lot of stuff to do with the coverage of it once i get through the actual movie i'm gonna feel weird you guys are gonna go back from being in the summary of the plot line portion to the conclusion where there's gonna be all kinds of shenanigans happening but um i've said before i'll say it again i'm pretty sure it's even mentioned in the video that the er's video is the one that completely changed my mind on force awakens and it felt a little like wait how the hell didn't i see all of this when you watch someone like go hey you know how like nothing makes any sense in this movie it's like huh well for me tlj was that sort of it kind of just changed my perspective that was the movie that sort of got me to think about things a lot differently because before that i was pretty i was kind of normie when i come when it came to movies and then then tlj happened and i just i don't know i just changed my perspective and it just i think um all it was with tlj was that there was something that was really felt wrong with that film that was hard for me to hone in on when i first saw it and i think even when i first saw it i was like that was good like you know that kind of reaction of the theater confused and i yeah and i think uh what i think it was just a matter of um working through that and i think it was uh because i remember uh i remember that even like in the early days i made a video i think it was like what you like versus what is good or something that that was like the broad topic and it was just highlighting that i always felt there was a distinction between a preference versus um you know something that you could hone in on in the game itself like a separation but a distinction between um your personal feelings on it versus like a more i uh i guess describe it as something that because i think i think the the point of the distinction between i guess like uh your feeling on a game versus what you think of it overall as its quality is can you present a perspective that if somebody doesn't know what your preferences are they can still find value in it rather than just what i liked it and these are the things that i like so i liked it it's not super helpful for everybody yeah um what are what i clicked on his tlj video and this is like the first thing that comes up stages of male i played it without audio what i played it with audio i have no idea i just clicked the last that last Jedi video and this is the frame i was confronted with um man that's a rabbit hole then uh well yeah i was just more so i was just interested by the factory refers to himself so he refers to what his dad's game design i didn't know that there was all this stuff like to this degree uh okay this feels like a backup slowly sort of situation well it feels like it's a sponsor but his channel doesn't get reviews reliably enough that i am that i don't imagine that people would want to sponsor his videos i don't imagine he'd be getting offers my soul looking to give me rent for me of course you are because i am eternal i am all seeing all knowing all consuming i'm everywhere looming when you're walking down like in moon night when we're talking about how he was in the little hallway and con she was there that's me but in reality in the real world just me just saying give me give me rent like that say it like that give me rent just following you and then of course because i'm very circular there's a lot of dong like thug sounds you hear me coming but you can never see me until i'm right next to you saying give me rent yeah you're the one that's after the omni friggy yeah something like that bring he's just around the corner they have to know way home they wouldn't like about the image as well as if for some reason my hands are green my hands are not green i wear gloves my character wears gloves green gloves and they are gray no they're gray i wear i wear a if you would know this if you read if you read my comical looked at some of my art oh so there's no other gloves you have a wear that could be green i guess on ever i don't think i've ever drawn my character with them they are i wear a green button-up shirt a light green one and then i wear a dark green vest and then i wear a brown uh coat that has like a little hood for it just for me i notice you guys do this particularly freaky you'll describe things as little yes i don't really anything little about them yeah but make the same little makes it sound quaint yeah like a cute little i think that's kind of like look at him with his little feet you know yeah that's that's that's how i would describe the fringy character is lots of little things even though i'm not small i had any stretch of the imagination i draw fringy with green skin once because he said he's green no the the mask is green and there is green as primary colors in the design but fringy the fringy character i'm pretty sure is a human being i i just so excited yet i went and i watched that last Jedi video for about a minute and the quote that we're confronted with at the beginning is there are a lot of plot holes in the last Jedi but to fix them wouldn't be a meaningful priority because to fix bad to fix bad movies you don't go and fix every plot hole logical consistency and cohesion isn't what i make what makes movie entertaining what makes movie entertaining is great ideas and plot twists great ideas great ideas let me let me get like accurately again because i want to i mean there's plenty of plot twists and it doesn't need logical structure coherence is what makes a movie entertaining so the problem is that um it's great ideas for character acts and plot twists so i mean that that's such an interesting i'm pretty sure there's a book series i know it's called someone a shadow note the book is like explicitly was the author what i the book is about um it was an author got challenged like this is a terrible idea that he came up with and then can i know like i actually want to talk on this topic without having to weave and navigate through like this weird comparison that's going on here um the book was a terrible idea as a premise for like a story and um and he was the guy said like i you write a story is it called codex allera that probably is the one that it exists because it is a terrible idea it is like a terrible shit idea that um that the author decided to take on to tell a good story i haven't read the book um but it's like you can you can start with a really bad idea and turn it around and you can start with an amazing idea it's a six book series now apparently well it's just it's execution that's that's like it's all about how you execute the idea not just having one i wonder if the the premise is well there's a television series is there right the point being that ideas are cheap it's all about what you do what you make of the idea how you use it yeah i mean of course you can have a great idea but if the pro sucks and the character's a flat and don't make any sense and like nothing is following logically then it doesn't really matter that you started with something cool it's easy to come up with a cool idea it's hard to make it into something i would never pretend to know what will guaranteed entertain everyone it's just that's not i'm in the uh and and if someone said so you you don't think coherence and and coincidence free and plot whole free narratives will be entertaining them there's no guarantee ever like no entertaining an audience is not mean anything yeah and conversely you could present a film that's like phenomenal that just doesn't really interest me that much if entirely possible it's not an irreconcilable problem of like hey what about that bad film that you like gotcha or that good film that no one cares about really yeah but yeah what about it that doesn't change anything the whole scale exists loved by nobody and be good a film can be loved by everybody and be terrible um yeah that's it for the multimedia medley and we're not getting any super chastan stay holy we are past eight hours which is yeah you were meant to talk about lego for an hour took three a bunch of pads yeah yeah lego went a bit longer than was intended but uh you needed to get it off your chest i could tell yeah i just let that out it's okay so i'm in i was uninstalled it right now there is no reason why that should be bye bye you've besmirched my hard drive i've i'm set free i'm offended that it's on me get going boot i imagine we'll get a super chat sometime in the future we'll be like they really did a big update and the game's all weird and i'll be like that's fine i hope it's good now good for you um but yeah i suppose the plan will be that we're gonna try and do the hasan remaining ones on wednesday and then we do these ones and i know this like wait but now they're they're flowing back the other direction we have a ploy in place that will very likely end the super chat wars as time goes on so do not do not you worry a secret weapon a death star oh no i gave it away fuck we'll be able to kill five super chats at once with our laser beams from outer space yeah um yeah thank you so much guys i hope you had fun with this crazy set of topics as well as very crazy takes that range from all over the world about all kinds of things because we're from all over the world well as the people we're talking to ain't not great um it's okay super chat wars hey i don't know what to call it and we were just kind of like star wars have been around for this whole stream kind of in different ways okay best i got back to the super chats what are the films kind of yeah thank you so much for for hanging out and thank you so much for the kind donations and the the company is there anything you guys want to say oh there's probably something that wants to be mentioned right yeah do you mean that the thing i just remembered it before considering hitting the end button i got so you guys got your you ifap audience you've got your your rags plush and you've got your moorler plush you can now round out your collection a little jay plush to be friends with them both go same place make ship jx e plush give that a little google or i imagine there might be a link appearing in chat if i if i'm quicker literally you can literally kick jay that's true i also have um on my chest of my plush the timestamp of my longest video which is actually an hour longer than moorler's longest video could you believe it hey hey hey don't pet it in here you're angry about the truth is that what's going on bring you take the rent um take the rent from his video 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