 I've never heard anything so funny. They were only listening to the pre-show. Gotta hit on that pre-show. Pre-show hacks. Gotta be a patron, first of all. Hey, Chris Ashley, how's it going? It's going very well. Very well. Been a long summer. It's been a while since I've been back in March since I've been on here, but the current summer was a bit crazy for me, but, you know, anytime I'm really obsessed. Yeah, I think it was March or something like that. Well, no, sorry. March was by myself. And then? We did the bonus show. Yeah. Yeah. With the homies. So, yeah, man. Everything's everything. That's how, as we say, yeah, man, time is flying. I just realized when I looked at November, I realized I like, I'm going to have to make a new spreadsheet for the show here because I make a new one every year. I was like, wow, I remember making this spreadsheet and thinking this is going to be a long year. Here we are. Already at the towards the end. Best spreadsheet in the business, by the way. Thank you. You know, the ancestor of the spreadsheet was started by Molly Wood while I was on vacation from Buzz Out Loud 2007 or 2008 somewhere in there. We used to just do it all over email before that. I definitely, the version of it started using it. We did that. Yeah. It's like a virus. Yeah. It's great. It's fine. I have copies because I'm a digital hoarder. I have copies of all of those lineups going all the way back. Wow. And the early ones are silly. Like it's just a list of links. There's nothing else in there. I too am a digital hoarder, which is why I need progressively larger hard drives for storage and backup every two to three years. We should do a DTNS Labs episode with Joey Image, who is the biggest digital hoarder I know. He has 40 terabytes right now. Oh, right? Well, wait, is it as most of that music and video or is it just like the little bits and pieces of his life? See, that's what we've got to talk to him about. It'll be like it'll be like what's that show where they go in the open storage containers and storage wars. Yeah, we like storage war, digital storage wars. That show, I it's weird. That show is both like it both attracts me, but kind of repulses me at the same time. Repulses, is it the stuff that you find in there or just the fact that just like the way I know it's not for people who've been on just the the entire show concept. It seems overly aggressive, but ingratiatingly so for an audience. It's just like, you know, I get up in someone's grill over like, you know, some a bunch of potentially furniture under some moving blankets that you can't pick through yet, right? You know, it's just like making mountains out of molehill molehills. That's what bugs me. I used to watch the heck out of that show. And then I don't know. Kind of, yeah, I kind of started feeling like, all right, just a little bit. Now you're just making up stuff to get upset about. Right, right. Speaking of making up stuff to get upset about, are you guys ready to look at the text? Yeah, I'm ready to get upset. All right, let me see. Let me get my controls. You've got it. You've got it. Sarah, can you do the little pre-roll thing today? Yeah, sure. Chris, are you, are you ready? I'm ready. All right. Let's see. Okay, Sarah. Three, two. Daily Tech News Show is powered by you. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, All Saints Day, November 1st, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt at DTNS Headquarters in Los Angeles. And from Studio Feline at the beach, I'm Sarah Lane. And joining us too long, since he's been on Chris Ashley from the SMR podcast is here. How are you doing? I'm doing good. How are you guys doing? We're doing well. We're going to talk a little augmented reality. Does your reality augmented at all, Chris? You know, it does. You're augmenting our reality. Let me, let me just say that right now. Our producer, Roger Chang, is here as well. How are you, Roger? I'm good. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Ecommerce company Rakuten is teaming up with convenience store chain Lawson on quadcopter deliveries in the Odaka district of the city of Minna, Misoma in Japan. The district is near the Fukushima Daiichi power station and residents just started returning to their homes in the district last year. The copters will deliver items, including hot food to a mobile food van that operates at a community center there. A law went into effect November 1st, that's today, unless you're in Australia, in Russia, I'm restricting access to banned websites using VPN or other anonymizing technology. VPN providers in Russia will be allowed to operate, but only if they block websites on the banned list, although corporate VPNs are exempt. Audible is launching 100 romance themed audio books that come with a feature called Take Me to the Good Part. I mean, really, I could just stop right there. You know exactly what it means, but it uses machine learning to find and fast forward to love scenes. Audible has identified 10 types of good parts, including flirty banter, first meeting, first kiss, and of course, one called Hot Hot Hot. Audible romance is a package that gives you unlimited access to romance novels for an extra seven bucks a month. Yeah, that's what I read romance novels for, dirty discussions. Take me right to the flirty banter. Love that fire. That's the best. Facebook reported earnings of $1.59 a share rather versus an expected $1.28 a share. So beat the streets. Revenue grew 47% year over year, beating expectations of 40% and users continue to grow too in pretty large numbers. The company now has 2.06 billion monthly active users. That's up 3.19% over the last quarter. Daily active users reached $1.37 billion. Wow. I'm glad that users continuing to grow doesn't mean that they just kept getting bigger, which actually might be true too. And now here are some more tech top stories during US congressional testimony that is ongoing as we are recording this. Facebook said Russian company Internet Research Agency spent $46,000 on advertising during the US election period. That is 1,776 times less than the $81 million spent by the official campaigns of the two major presidential candidates. Facebook also said Russian based election oriented campaigns reached 126 million Facebook users. So you got some facts now like they didn't spend a lot compared to the actual campaigns, but they did reach a lot of people. We'll dig into this topic tomorrow with Justin Robert Young. But Chris, I know you've got opinions on this unrelated to who did what and when, but more about the idea of these companies starting to take control of what you can say on their platforms. Yeah. You know, there's another side to the whole thing. A lot of the voice that we today are through these three platforms. And so most of these platforms start to tempt to lock down in order to appease the government. What's just going to start happening to some of the unpopular opinions that go out? So it's just something that I'm watching closely from a different perspective. Yeah. Where's the line? You don't you don't want your voice to be silenced because it accidentally gets crushed next to something that you that you're like, Hey, I understand why you don't want that on there. But but yeah, you know, I because I I worry about that too. And it's all it's all a matter of, you know, how how they implement these situations and where they implement and how good they are. I, as far as Twitter goes, have not seen them be very good at silencing things in my Twitter app, where often things are blocked that I find later somewhere else. And I'm like, why was that even blocked? So, right? Well, I have some good news for everybody, especially if you like robotic dogs, because Sony's Ibo, the next generation, we've talked about the fact that it's coming back. But now we have some details. The new Robo Pooch, the model number ERS 1000, if you prefer to call it by its other name, can move its body along 22 axes has two OLED I panels to show various expressions and a two hour battery life, although it'll cross you three hours to charge Ibo back up. So just like a normal dog, Ibo will be taking a lots of naps also uses deep learning to analyze sounds and images in a cloud connection to learn from other Ibo's experiences. So the collective owners of Ibo will all make their dogs smarter together. The My Ibo app has settings, camera access, some trick downloads, and I'm sure you're wondering what's going to cost 190,000 yen. So it's about 1700 US dollars requires a 2,980 yen monthly subscription, that's about 26 bucks, and it will give you LT access and backups available for preorder in Japan shipping January 11th, but no word on countries outside of Japan yet. And I wish my my actual dogs had some of these ability to download tricks and knowing for sure that you only needed to deal with them for two hours before three hours back, three hour nap. Boom. No potting issues whatsoever. Right? You know, I just think about this. Okay, your phone, Facebook, Twitter, your browsing history, none of that is enough for them. Now we need your pet to give you information to some kind of backend server, you know, because there's recording what's going on. Of course, the camera. Yeah, it's got a camera. So it won't be long before one of these dogs. Yeah, no, I you got it, you got to secure cloud experiences, right before people get over over the fear of this. On the other hand, though, having that cloud back backup and the ability to add some more machine learning, I know there's some on the device itself as well. Does it is it wrong? Hold on. Is it wrong that I felt guilty for calling it a device? Just now? I was like, device, I'm like, Oh, but it's a dog. I should call it a device like not Tom. It's not a dog. It's not a dog, right? It's not. No, it's very kawaii. But it's not a dog. All right. It's I also feel like it's like, well, depending on how other people treat their eyeballs, is that going to make my eyeball? Like, what if they all way that I don't want because it's the collective, you know, ownership? Yeah, can I cut it off? Because I'm like, no, that's not how I want my eyeball to learn. Fair point. devices running Android 6.0 and above will get a new feature called fast pair. It uses Bluetooth low energy and location to automatically discover fast pair enabled Bluetooth accessories nearby and let you connect to them with a tap. One sparing is successful. You'll be asked if you want to download any companion apps like those often used for noise canceling headphones or speakers, only a few headphones work at launch, but manufacturers can register their Bluetooth devices with Google to be added. So it just makes the normal pairing happen faster without having to dig into the settings it sounds like, which is pretty cool. Is this a problem looking to be solved? Oh, I mean, I'm a Bluetooth nutcase. I had probably a list of 15 devices. And I just never found it to be a big deal how fast you pair how fast you'd I never found it to be a big deal until I tried out the AirPods. And that that ability to just pop in the headphones and not do anything. And it works. Switch me from using wired headphones to using Bluetooth headphones and with so many with so many models getting rid of the headphone jack. That's a big deal. Well, in the ongoing war against humans versus AI, it's an interesting story coming out of the BBC reporting on a contest between 100 lawyers, this is in London, against an AI called case cruncher alpha. So the contest is a little bit wonky. Each contestant was given given the basic facts of hundreds of payment protection insurance or PPI misselling cases and then asked, Okay, now predict if the financial ombudsman would allow a claim. The lawyers got 66.3% of the cases right. Case cruncher AI got 86.6% right. Ian Dodd, one of the judges overseeing the competition says AI could replace junior lawyers and paralegals, just not the folks that actually talk to clients and argue cases. Dodd said, quote, the knowledge jobs will go, the wisdom jobs will stay. That ought to scare some people. I feel like I feel like this man, maybe he's not the first one to say it, but I feel like this man just just basically crystallized the new way of looking things because I've been struggling trying to explain the fact that no, just because you can replace some functions with artificial intelligence doesn't mean we'll get rid of all the jobs. There will be jobs that will need to shift certainly, but there will also always be jobs that people saying, you know what, I just need a human for that. And I've tried to show examples of like, hey, customer service, you know, it used to not be very widespread, but now you have more uses for it. And this is great because it shows like, yeah, remember, knowledge jobs were not very widespread. But once you could automate a lot of the menial jobs, you could expand the number of knowledge jobs available. It sounds a little bit highfalutin. So maybe there needs to be a better word for it, but the wisdom jobs does differentiate it in my mind. Is it too pretentious, though, Chris? I don't think it's too pretentious. I think you're spot on, you know, that's the fact that how technology helps and hurts things. So you move in jobs here and then you move them over to the other side. The only thing about this that I want to I'm hoping does not become a problem is we do have a lot of situations where it's not the knowledge and it's not it's not the argument, but it's the heart or the the conscious that needs to go into the cases. And so as long as that that doesn't get pushed out even further than it is where you have convictions for folks that are are not even guilty, or you have cases that require somebody to look at it in a different sense based on what happened, because that's not going to happen from a machine standpoint. That's the aspect of what I'm looking at. But you know, if it helps speed up these cases, and, you know, these lawyers and justice can use this as a means to be faster and take on cases. Man, let's do it. The wisdom economy. It does, though, you know, we always talk about oh, is AI going to put people out of work, right? And then we use the legal profession as saying, well, this is a, you know, it's comp, it's complex, you still need the human element and people arguing cases. But if it's going to keep a bunch of people from going to law school, because they think, you know, there's just so much less of an opportunity for me to like, get in there and work for 10 years really hard before I make partner at some of these more sort of knowledge level jobs, well, then it kind of changes an industry in a different way. That's a that's an unforeseen implication of it, for sure. My guess would be you end up having the legal jobs that require a human would pay so well that you'd still have people clamoring in the right amounts to get into them. But you might have fewer law schools because there might be fewer positions, which means fewer students need to be trained, which means you don't need as many law schools cranking out the degrees. So that's an interesting knock on effect of that. I do love the idea that that we are we are we all four of us here are wisdom workers in the wisdom economy. And actually, I like what you said, Chris, because heart, it's like, okay, eventually AI gets good enough, you know, down the road to be wise and enjoying the wisdom economy. Then it's the heart. It's the heart that can't really be replaced. And that that's the kind of thing that is the guy who makes an artisan chair or the person that brews their own beer, and you value it because they're really good and they put their heart and soul in it, when you can absolutely go and get an automated chair, you know, but you still might value that. Right. Is it a little nuances that you see will be in the chair, as you described, or in some of these cases that when you hear some of the the circumstances around them, you know, it's just, it's something that I would be hoping that does not get lost in the shuffle. Yeah, I think this this is a good this might be my mental map now for where jobs go along with AI. And trust me, there's way more to this. And it doesn't mean that it's roses for everybody. I'm not trying to say that. But I do think this is a good vocabulary to use to think about it. Hey, Amazon's iOS app has a new AR view feature using Apple's AR kit, not unlike IKEA's place feature. AR view, let's place virtual versions of products in your home, like furniture, toys, obviously Amazon Echoes and galore. I'm sure they would love it if you did that. Decor, curtains, all that kind of stuff. Feature requires an iPhone 6S or later. Remember, this is just for iOS at this point. And you have to be running iOS 11. I was shocked how much I liked it. I was ready to roll my eyes and then I just put a silly chair there and I'm like, oh, that chair would look really good. Well, hold on. What would it look good over there? I just found myself using it. Unironically. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I totally agree with you. I have this kind of weird area between my kitchen and my living room that like a very specific type of console, you know, cupboard thing would maybe work, but it would have to be perfectly perfect dimensions or be, you know, too big or too small or just look weird. And before I tried this out, yeah, I've got my measuring tape and it's like, you know, I think something's going to look good there, but it doesn't always happen that way. But if you can see it right there, it's very helpful. And yeah, as you mentioned, Tom, IKEA has a feature like this. Target's app has a feature like this. So it's not like Amazon is reinventing the wheel or anything, but it sure is cool. I mean, they show a toaster in the video, and I think that's why I went in there like, I don't need to see the toaster on my counter to decide whether to buy the toaster or not. Yeah. But, you know, as soon as I did the furniture. You see how some toilet paper looks piled up on top of your toilet before you get the toilet paper? Well, you know, you may not believe this, but at one point in my life, I used to deliver furniture. Now, I don't look like a carry furniture, but I promise I can. And as a guy who was carried four, five hundred pound desk five flights of stairs, you know, at first, like you, I looked at this and was like, who's going to use this? But when I'm like, wait a minute, how many times have I been in a situation where I've got this desk up five flights of stairs, get in through the first door? But guess what? We can't get in through the second door. And I'm like, wow, it would save so much back. To bring that desk back down or not to mention the people are like, oh, I need to return it. It doesn't work. Let me tell you. OK, I could tell you. But yeah, so definitely a pretty cool aspect. And honestly, I would like to see that branch out to other details as well. Well, this leads into our main discussion. So let me just remind folks that if you just want the headlines each day, you can keep up on the news and then check in with DTS. When you have time, DT Daily Tech Headlines, DTH is available about five minutes a day. Subscribe to it daily tech headlines.com. You can also get it on the Amazon Echo in the Anchor app and through the Anchor app on Google Home. And that's a look at our top stories. Microsoft made the three thousand dollar enterprise oriented version of the HoloLens, which means most of us are not going to buy one, available in twenty nine European markets. That brings the total number of markets that's available in to thirty nine. Microsoft also showed off what some companies are doing with it. Ford's using it in the design process. Tyson Krupp has trialed it with technicians repairing elevators to help them know how to diagnose the problem. HoloLens is now certified as Protective Eyewear in North America and Europe. A hard hat accessory for the device is shipping next year. And along side of this announcement, Google has opened a platform called Poly for sharing digital objects for AR and VR. It integrates with Google's VR apps like Tilt, Brush and Blocks. But it is an open library. You list your stuff for free and it can work with AR core from Google, as well as Apple's AR kit and some other VR platforms. So it's not just tied in to Google. All of this stuff made me think that AR. Yes, OK, Amazon's making me want it in my home, but not for gaming, not for, you know, seeing a dragon walking around on the floor. That's the demo that's impressive. That's not what I'm going to use it for. I could use it in home. I could use it at work. Like the idea that Tyson Krupp is actually putting these on technicians heads and they're certified as Protective Eyewear makes me think, well, maybe the future of HoloLens was never the Xbox. Maybe it's actually in the workplace, or maybe there's a smaller version I could use for practical stuff at home. But what do you guys think? Definitely like the path that had it had grown in because I am an avid gamer Xbox sitting right next to me. And I was like, there is no way as much stuff about blood for Xbox and in-game purchases. I'm buying three thousand dollars headset for my gaming. But as I started to see some of the use cases and one of them that was particularly interested and was for when they talked about a elevator shaft repairman who can see the parts that he's replacing right on in the elevator shaft to make sure he with the instructions and make sure he's doing it right. I was like, man, this could spawn home mechanics. It could spawn home repairman. So I really do like how this has evolved into what it where it is today. I spent some time earlier looking through Google's new Poly offering. Hate the name, but otherwise there is a lot of cool stuff in here. You know, there's a boom box. There's, as Tom mentioned, like some monsters and dragons, but also just sort of like a light switch, a jack-o-lantern, you know, a kitchen cabinet type stuff, which in many cases, yeah, it's like it's sort of a creative commons thing, right? You just download it and the the credit goes back to the original poster and it allows companies to, of course, use Airkit and Google's own air platform to be able to put together a lot of really neat stuff. Now, I'm just not, you know, I'm not much of a gamer myself and my AR interaction is somewhat limited to like Pokemon Go. But but but I can already see, OK, if you just had access to really good artwork, you know, 3D stuff that looks great. You know, you zoom in, it's rendered really well. The whole thing is really nice. Think of how many third party developers can come up with really creative things. As far as HoloLens, it just makes sense that Microsoft is expanding in markets where obviously there are enterprise companies saying, we want this, we're going to buy it, you know, let's put some hard hats on people and and and get them using it. I mean, so many people use YouTube as a place to go to learn how to fix something. Imagine if something like Google's Polly was available for folks to create tutorials in AR and you've got your your home HoloLens or maybe it's the HoloLens you use at work. And when you're home, you're like, ah, crap, I need to fix this dishwasher because, you know, the the line is plugged. How do I do that? You pop that thing on and you're walked. You you get walked through it and you just see where to go. And and and it asks you like, OK, what do you have available? Do you have a snake or do you have or do you just have a paper towel, you know, holder? And then it's like, OK, here's what you do next. I mean, that's that's what I think this is going to be useful for first. I tell you where else I'd like to see it go to is because is motorcycles because one of the things that I always hated when I had my bike was trying to use it with the bike. It was impossible. Now it's, you know, you can listen to the directions and hopefully, you know, that that works a lot better. And they started coming up with some attachments for your helmets that are VR. But man, being able to, you know, have it just in your glasses. You don't have to necessarily attach it to your helmet, but it's just the glasses that you put on. But then the overlay is there showing you where you need to turn navigation. Yeah, it's speed. So you don't have to look down because every time you take your eyes off the road, you're in trouble, you know. And so being able to see all that stuff on your HUD, I think is would be a pretty dope use case as well. Yeah, it's funny. It's because we've had Alice and Sheridan on the show so often kind of really pushing the point of what is VR good for? And that's VR, obviously. And we've talked a lot about enterprise level situations and training, but there was something about particularly, like you said, Chris, the elevator repair example, tied with the fact that they've certified this as protective eye wear that makes me think this is going the traditional route. We forget about this with consumer electronics. Traditionally, high technology stuff goes into industrial or military use first and then trickles down into the populace. Once those people start to find other uses for it and say, you know what, this would be cool at home for this or that. And that may be we may have been looking at this all wrong when we were thinking, OK, it's good for gaming, but what else can I use it for at home? Maybe we need to start in the enterprise. Yeah, it's funny when I was at CES two years ago. Last time I was there, I was working for TechCrunch at the time and, you know, VR. You know, everything was VR headsets, right? Still is. And so we, you know, we're kind of bringing the video crew around and trying to interview as many people as possible. And time after time, the demos that we would get and, you know, the excited rep would tell us about, you know, mining with, you know, it was all kind of enterprise stuff, which, you know, for a mostly consumer tech website, we kind of be like, you know, it's like, how do we get like the general public to get super excited about this? But you could already see back then, OK, there are some really interesting implications of what this will do for businesses and companies and assembly lines and, yeah, fixing an elevator shaft and stuff where precision is very, very important. And having information kind of right there is, whether it's a headset or some other device makes a lot of sense. I just wish this was more accessible. I love the part of Poly where they're like, it's free. We're not, this isn't a store. Share your stuff with each other, which is great. But then it's $3,000 for me to get a Microsoft HoloLens, right? And I know those two are different things, but it does it does feel like in this new world where I'm trying to get used to thinking of Google and Facebook as mainframe companies of the 60s, right, like big, huge, inaccessible companies, not the scrappy startups that we still kind of think of them as. It doesn't allow the rest of us to have the access to this the way we used to. Well, I'm glad that they did make that their portion open because, you know, just technology does have potential. And so when you see stuff like this and you see multiple companies working on the same thing, that's when I start to, you know, you're like, OK, guys, please do not come up with 85 different ways to do three things. You know, it just let's hopefully they continue down this path. And, you know, there is some collaboration that goes on. Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. Let's us know what's going on in there. I was very pleased. I just put a little thank you post in for our moderators in there yesterday and we got upvoted, like skyrocketed to the top, which I was very pleased to see. So big thanks to the moderators who keep it running so smoothly. And to the audience that submits great stories. You can do it, too. If you haven't already a Daily Tech News show, reddit.com and hop on into our Facebook group at facebook.com. Slash groups slash Daily Tech News show. Messages of the day are pouring in. Sarah, what's our first one? First one comes from Charvanche, who says this is a good one for the website from the website comments. Can't wait till the movie industry gets ahold of the self driving cars to choreograph awesome stunt driving scenes like the matrix reloaded car chase scenes. You know, at first I was like, oh, yeah. And then I was like, well, we can do all of that with CGI and remote control. But everybody likes practical effects, right? Well, so maybe maybe it turns into like the next fast and furious movie. Well, I guess they're like it's ending the franchise. But maybe the franchise won't end now because they'll be like, now we're going to do a real fast and furious. This is all real stunts. Fast nine nines of uptime in our automated cars. Yeah, like some somehow it's like it's, you know, it's like we're getting back to our roots of car collisions because of autonomous vehicles. I don't know. I'd watch that. It's a simple ending to the movie. The cars are driving away. The police are chasing them. They pull them over and, you know, they're self driving cars. There's nobody inside. No, I think you're right. You just wrote the ending. It's a fast nine or whatever they call it. Right. Carl writes, when it comes to big rigs and jobs, according to trucking.org, the labor shortfall for drivers will mean a need to hire an estimated 89,000 drivers a year, and that's no small feat. I don't think anyone will lose a job to a self driving truck between retirements and human drivers doing the jobs that automated trucks cannot, as well as an overall limit to how many self driving trucks will be added to the North American fleet per year, which is estimated to be about 40,000 trucks sold in 2016, according to Statista, increases in the need to have human overwatch maintenance and the like. It seems to me that while truck driving is a job on the decline, those who remain as drivers will simply be the best at it. Plus the amount of trucks that run on closed environments like mine sites, dockyards, warehouse centers. Many companies might start using self driving cars in these places where the only law is their own insurance. That's a good point. Yeah, it was interesting research that he had done there and some numbers that he had dug up and his he may, you know, you may have other numbers out there, but his his proposition is we can't hire enough drivers right now. So maybe the ones that want to stick around driving will be valuable enough that that they will stay because it's not like tomorrow. All the trucks become self driving. It's going to phase in slowly. If I wasn't in the software industry, I would definitely be driving a truck. So that's always that has always been on the back of my mind to get a CDL and be a truck driver. I don't know. Yeah. Is it is it is it a romantic notion? No, it's not it's not that. It's just I got a couple of buddies that are truck drivers and not like I said, I used to deliver furniture. So I've driven 26 voters. So the natural progression would so you're like, I could do it. Yeah, I could do it. And, you know, you make good money. So yeah. Well, thank you to all the truck drivers out there, because I know there's a few of you that listen for keeping our stuff moving around on on the roads out there. And thank you, Chris, Ashley, SMRpodcast.com. You got to check out Rob, Rob and Chris. They have a lot of fun talking about technology or, as they're saying, goes de-bammifying tech for the masses. Things are going well. Yeah, things are going well, you know, we've had a pretty good couple of weeks where all of us were in. But, you know, when it's just two or two of us in there, the show still runs well and we still have a great time. And yeah, picking up new fans all the time. Go subscribe, folks, smrpodcast.com. And thanks to everybody. It's Patreon Day. 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And of course, our website is dailytechnewshow.com. Back tomorrow with Justin Robert Young and Paul Spain. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Well, I hope you have enjoyed this program. Nailed it. Oh, man. Oh, is it time? That was a good time. Thanks, Chris. You'll have to thank me. Thank you. What are we going to call this show? Oh, take me to the good stuff. It's not a dog. It's kind of it, isn't it? The AI board collective trickle down electronics, LTE dogs. Time to get Roger is good. The Rogers. That's a that's a known fact. It's a fact. I mean, I always feel good, but that's different. 404 trick not found canine AI collective. Fast pair. Fast pair quickly made Tom a believer. Romance calls and audible Amazon VR shocks. Tom, fix it with duct tape. Think duct tape is one. Yeah. Are you ready to spend more time at Amazon? Excuse me. Well, dog can be two things. You know, if I bow could stand on its legs and deliver me like a soda or something while I'm binge watching Netflix, that would be kind of cool. That would be awesome. I don't imagine a future I bow. I mean, there's no reason it couldn't. Like, you know, your parents are at the door. Like, it's just like you might have to set up a special fridge for it, though. I don't know if it could open your regular refrigerator door. Then you start getting ads for your favorite soda now. It automatically reorders it from Amazon. Exactly. And then Amazon comes and puts it in your fridge for you with Amazon key. The circle is complete. Yeah. Why don't they just build the little wormhole into your fridge or, you know, your basement and then they could just deliver things. So it'll be kind of a quantum pneumatic tube. No delivery. You know, no delivery fee. An Einstein Rosen bridge to deliver your soda. Having your having your own refrigerator is so old fashioned. So anything tickles thy fancy? I like the duct tape when you said. Oh, wait, where'd it go? Oh, fix it with duct tape. Yeah, they spell the D.U.C.K. to nice job. You think I'll vote for that one. I like to agree to the good stuff. Take me. You know, it'd be really cool if they could do the air or glasses, but then they integrate like a dating like app app with it. So if you're really bad at like dates and stuff, it tells you all the things you should be saying at the appropriate moments. So it's Cyrano Cyrano de Bergerac app is what you're talking about. Like it's like you should say say this now. No, well, you're this is actually kind of partially the plot of after on. I don't want to say too much and spoil it, but there is a very similar product slash situation going on. But it's creepier than what you're talking about. Well, I figure since Japan is the home of a dating sim and I use sim simulation very in a in a in a non pejorative sense. Why not integrate with AR glasses? I'm sure it would freak a lot of people out. But hey, it was like, oh, you should talk about the weather right now. Sarah, I need you to break the tie. Um, I'm sorry. What were my options again, duct tape or take me to the good stuff. Let's do it again. Two people were talking to people were talking to me again. Fix it with duct tape or take me to the good stuff. What were we fixing with duct tape? Everything, the elevators, which you put your VR glasses on. And mostly the elevators. OK, I choose the romance novel. All right. OK. You should you imagine you put on these three thousand dollar glasses and you go to the elevator and you first instruction is grab duct tape, put duct tape here. I think I was joking about the chat room. Yeah. Yeah, props to them. Hey, our glasses, you know what they could be used for. So in a situation where any empty or any kind of medically trained person isn't available, you could help someone who's in the medical emergency. It'll give you like, you know, you wear it and they can kind of like figure out, oh, the person is having an epileptic fit. This is what you need to do. Or this person's cardiac arrest, grab the defibrillator, do this. Place it here, you know, press the button, wait. Wait. Yeah, I mean, there's certain things that it wouldn't be able to do, but yeah. And keep the glasses right next to the defibrillator. Yeah, we'll be right there. You break it, you wear it and so on. And then you grab the defibrillator and tells you exactly how to use it. Man, that good Samaritan law becomes real important then. It keeps yelling at you, dial 911, dial 911. Don't look like you know what you're doing. Please stop and dial 911. Oh, child rearing. Let's say, yeah, chastised child for not living up to expectations. Do you need AR for that? I don't know. You're a dad. Yeah, well, see, you know what? I'm wondering if if if if that's, you know, like the doctor, not doctors, yeah, Dr. Spock, Mr. Spock. You mean Lieutenant Spock? Well, the guy who wrote the child rearing book. Oh, OK, Dr. Spock. Yeah. Dr. Spock telling you, like, do this, do that, do this. Tesla reports biggest ever quarterly loss. Oh, no, no, no, no. Are you getting one time? A Tesla. Yeah. No. Sorry, Rod didn't mean to appear so shocked. No, not remotely, unless they win the lottery. Yeah, Rod just bought one. I I I made rice and frozen shrimp for lunch today so that I can afford an iPhone 10. I got you. I haven't even driven it yet. I can't. I mean, they're nice. I just think I don't maybe I'm just too cheap, but I would never spend $40,000 on a car. You are my kind of person. Cheap. Because I like the thing is, I have a very hard time spending money on a new car because it depreciates 13 percent as soon as the wheel rolls off a lot. Right. And so you're taking that hit. I would not. I would totally buy a newer used car that maybe just came off a lease or only has like 10 or 15,000 miles on it. But not a brand new shiny out of the factory car. I drive a 2002 Prius. OK, it's a 15 year old car. You bought a new or you bought a used. I bought it two years old. I bought it used. All right, I got you. What's your advice? Well, what would what what do you buy that you don't care about the money? If you have one. I mean, I would say electronics, but I kind of buy them for this, right? Like I have a legitimate reason to get them. I don't know. I would have said economy plus upgrades on airplanes. I need a leg room. I don't care how much leg room that's it. It's it's hard to spend on vices, though, when you have a kid. Yeah, it's just like I used to spend I used to spurge on comic books, but now I have too many and they weigh so much that it costs a lot to move. So and they've gone digital. But no, I just got to save the money for the kid because you don't know what's going to happen in the near or distant future. And still I'm still electronics and I do want to Tesla myself. So I'm slowly put in money away. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I do need to get a new car. There is no doubt about that, because this one is not going. I got to I got to get rid of this one before the drive battery goes again. I've replaced it once and it's not cheap. And it's just old, right? So the thing is, it's just so cheap to maintain. It's so predictable. You know, my car, the steering rack leaks to replace it to get like a referred like reconditioned steering rack would be like eight to eight hundred to twelve hundred bucks, not including labor to put it in. All I just do is keep like a quart of transmission fluid and top it off every like eight months. I'm set like there's so much I know all the issues. I don't know all the I know all the problems with my cars. And I know pretty much how to deal with it on a regular basis to avoid having to really pay out of pocket. Is it paid off, brother? Oh, yeah, that's why I keep that's that's as long as I always said, when I mean, I just paid off my wife's car this January, and I said, as long as the repairs are deeper than her car payments, we're good once they cross over, then now we got to talk. Yeah, that's my brother. And, you know, there's certain things that I know what that, like, for example, I had this struts, I had to replace all the struts because it's like they were due at seventy five. Actually, they were due at forty eight, but I ran them up to seventy five thousand miles. I replaced them all and that was like sixteen hundred bucks. But it's like, you know, you need to replace them. Tires, you need to replace them every six years, five to six years. And it's still still cheaper than buying a brand, you know, not brand new. And in my cars, I mean, it's a Toyota. So it's like super reliable, so I never have to worry about it. See, I know that some people don't believe in leasing, but my cars just never get old. Just replace them. Yeah, I love the old I love the old part because my insurance rates go down after so many years, except till I moved it. Well, then they went on. It's not a perfect system. But it's where I'm like, replace the tires every six years. Am I not doing that? Oh, wait, I never have a car for six years. Yes, I definitely wish I could get my mindset to that point because, you know, people who least usually just say, I just know this is a bill I'm going to have forever. I'm going to keep my payments in this range. And that's it again. But, you know, I'm also a house renter and very poor. So that's this is the choice. And that's the thing, right? Like I used to pay off a car where and when I was paying off a car, a lease made sense. But then I think it was around the time I started working at CNET. I was like, Oh, I have enough money. I don't really need if I buy a used car, I don't need to pay it off. You know, or at least not pay it off more than a year. I'm going to pay it off really fast. Then I don't have car payments. And then I look at a lease and I'm like, I don't want to have payments all the time. But you have to be in a position where you can get that, you know, even the even a used car paid off quickly, right? Well, and be prepared to have to deal with issues that happen with the maintenance. And yeah, no, absolutely. Absolutely. You know, the last car that I owned and did pay off was an Audi, wasn't it Audi? No, no, not an Audi. A Saab and it's been so long now. I loved that car. However, the parts were so incredibly expensive. And that's like when Saab was still in business. Yeah. You know, it became a bit of a money pit over the course of a couple of years where I was like, how could I have known? You know, there was just just happened. I my my parents went through two. Well, originally my dad had a Volkswagen and then a Volvo. I'd really kind of kept me away from buying your European car, not because they're bad, but because they really charge you through the nose. Yeah, every single part. Yeah, growing up. Even though they're not even though they're not expect any more expensive to say make the same part for Ted, because it's European, they like put 15 percent surcharge on it. And it's just like you just get tired of being taken to the cleaners. I remember my mom complaining about her repairs on her Volvo. Yeah, I all of her both. She had three of them. And then, yeah, like I hate to say it, but like it is generic enough that parts are like, you know, go to rockado.com or whatever and buy it there. Oh, I'm I literally will drive my car into the ground. I probably will drive into the ground. Well, now that I basically don't drive, you know, when I when I moved to L.A., I had my lease had ended when I still live in San Francisco with a car that I really liked, but, you know, this was up. And I was like, you know what, I'm just going to start walking around, you know, or taking Muni or something. And when I moved to L.A., I was like, I have a car, which I did at first. And my situation has changed now where it's like, I'm more or less working from home and I live in a part of town where I can walk lots of places. And I could take an Uber here and there if I really needed to go to Target or, you know, that sort of thing where you have a lot of stuff. But, you know, it's nice to have a car. But it's like, yeah, you know, I'm I'm almost two years into a three year lease. And I feel like I'm in prison. You know, there's definitely that feeling of like, because it's really hard to get out of a lease early if I just decided, yeah, I don't want to do this anymore. So that's that's the that's the trade off to my prison is marriage and fatherhood. That's just the average prison. Everybody knows that prison. But it's so funny how it's not even funny. It's it's amazing because I used to have a per month spend that I would spend out and I just watched it go like, ah, all right. But it turns out your daughter needs to eat. Well, you know, all the shots in the school, all the things to turn them into a real person. Oh, kids don't need shots. Oh, all right. Oh, I get into it. I actually don't have kids. What do I know? Yeah. I believe whatever we're talking about. We're talking about medicine, not not to kill. Oh, in that case, never mind. I have no shot. Those shots of kitchen do shots. That sounds that's awful. Well, unless they're being fussy, yes, little cream on the gums always kept being that old school. Yeah, isn't that what people are these to do back in the old days? Oh, I think they're still doing it. Like back in 1977 in the Merritt household. Tom's making a fuss, liquor him up. Well, cream to mince. I don't know if that ever happened in the Lane household, but I wouldn't put money against it. It wasn't to quiet us down. It was when we lost a tooth. We lost a tooth. They would they would rub cream. My dad would rub cream to mince on the gums. Did your dad try to yank out your teeth or did they just? Oh, yeah. Yeah, no. It tied tight string to the door. Oh, my dad was very, very. Wives tail. Oh, no. It's a my dad's tail. Why wouldn't it? Isn't that like really traumatic? I'm fine, Sarah. I don't know. It's when kids teeth would get loose. That used to be a thing you'd hear is like, you know, Tommy's. You know, tied a string to the door and slammed it shut. And, you know, and everyone would go, oh, God. And you're like, hi, I'm Tom. Actually, my daughter asked me about that two nights ago if it worked. And I was like, oh, it definitely works. So it still won't be going on because I've never said that to her. But she definitely for most of my teeth, except one which had a really long root. So the dentist had to pull it out with dental. My dad used pliers on one of mine, too. Ah, savages. What's wrong with your family? It's fine. It's fine. Little creep to fix it right up. You know, it's funny. I I now can't remember how any of my teeth came out because of the whiskey. I was very drunk. Those seven years of new teeth. Well, I did. You know, speaking of like weird teeth stuff, I had six wisdom teeth instead of four. It's actually not that uncommon. So it was like two up on each side and then just one on the bottom. And when they came out when I had to get wisdom teeth out, you know, age 18 or whatever, they only got five out. And they were like, you know what, that sixth one is so far up there. We're just going to leave it. It's never going to be a problem. Well, it was many years later, well into my thirties. And I had to get it like taken out. And that had to happen at a dentist like, you know, with dental pliers or whatever. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I was all numbed up and everything. It didn't hurt, but it was still not fun, you know? You don't want things ripped out of your face. It's just not fun for anybody. You don't want things ripped out of your face. You don't know. And then afterwards, they were like, want to keep it? And I'm like, no. Oh, yeah. I used to have all my teeth. I even had the ones they put. I don't have any of my browns on or caps on. So you would have like the silver cap on it and then the tooth underneath. You make a necklace out of it and pretend that you were in some jungle somewhere. Like a shark tooth, yeah. I thought you could have a shark tooth in your wisdom teeth like next to him. All right. Well, thanks for watching Dental Today and we'll be back tomorrow. It's like, if you really want to like get to know us, stay for the post show. Oh my, yes. We'll see you tomorrow with just Robbie Young and Paul Spade. Goodbye.