 Okay, that's all the rules. We're gonna go straight into the first topic and this will be intro period So no interrupt anybody else as this topic's talked about for intros number one Does the media have a left-wing bias and are Trump's attacks on it fair? I'll repeat it one more time for the people in the back Does the media have a left-wing bias and are Trump's attacks on it fair? I'm going to start as always in the left-hand corner with hey, it's Vadim. You have one minute Okay, um, I I'm just going to briefly say on that I think that the Left that the media is I had so much planned and I realized I can say a small amount in a small small time that the media is Not actually as left-wing as people think I'm going to elaborate on that later I'm just gonna go to the Trump question 95 percent of more of the time 95 percent or more of the time are the attacks on him fair absolutely Or rather are his attacks fair? No, no, absolutely not We're talking about a president who has the uncanny knack to literally lie three or four times in a sentence This man's lies are legendary Everything from busloads of legals are committing voter fraud to windmills cause cancer. I could go on and on There's way crazier stuff than that. So of course the media is going to call him out on these things He's very much an enemy of the free press. He's made numerous incendiary comments about it. I'm no big fan Lame stream or mainstream media, but you know, he's he's said that the rights I'm sorry. I'm losing my notes here he he's Talked about opening up libel laws. He has Tried to have former chief his former chief of staff look into how they could do that. He's Tried to Also sue Bill Maher over orangutan jokes. So the reason why I point that out is because it's the reason why he wants to Open libel laws is to create for frivolous lawsuits He's blacklisted plenty of reporters and entire outlets from events He demands reporters to be fired simply for or he has demanded that a reporter get hired simply for tweeting an And an inaccurate number of attendees at his rallies. I mean, I'll just and by saying, you know, he's the alternative facts president It's dangerous. It's the reason why batshit QAnon conspiracy doofuses continue to take hold within the conservative party and You know, he his his whole tactic with attacking the media is just to obfuscate the truth to take pressure and Just worthwhile criticism off of him. He's the fake news president and it's done tremendous damage Okay, next I'm gonna throw it over to suspect sushi. I Didn't expect to be called so quickly. All right, let me just let me just fix my camera here, Dylan I'm sorry for what I'm about to do. All right Anyway, so about how the media has an obvious leftist bias towards Donald J. Trump Okay, the fact of the matter is like over 95% of all stories created by Donald Trump Definitely definitely fake news Donald Trump is the great savior of the nation Okay, Biden is gonna destroy and burn down this nation 1,000% and all is is a tax on the media absolutely wholeheartedly warranted I Agree with that one 100% the news media are a enemy of the people and Donald Trump is representing us and trying to fight for Our rights and liberties. Thank you for coming to my pet talk Okay, and next I'm going to throw it over to the Turk Yeah, so the media is a really large group I think all media are kind of leaning one way or the other, you know Republicans are guilty of it just as the far left. I've got a lot of data that suggests that yes there is a definite left leaning bias and It's not good data. So, uh, yeah, y'all don't want to hear it But I just think that Trump's reaction towards it I think is not in good taste, you know, if you're a modest person You'd think his stuff. He says it's pretty bad, but it is effective It's bringing awareness to his cause and it's really opening up the eyes of a lot of people that Would sometimes just glaze past what mainstream media does Hey next I'm going to throw it over to Pisco Sure. Thank you. Uh, on the first sub question I think it's important to set aside like some threshold questions. One is what is the media? I sort of consider the media to be a they not an it It's hard to speak about the media as though it has one conscious impulse When it's, you know, numerous individuals and Numerous reporters in numerous positions So I would like to hear more clarity on the part of people who are accusing the media of having liberal bias of what they consider the legal The media to be Next threshold question is what is a left-wing bias? If that means a bias in favor of left-wingers and of like socialists and communists I think it couldn't be further from the from the truth. In fact, I think a lot of you'll find a lot of Common ground with socialists and leftists who say The media hates Bernie Sanders and they're not going to platform our people So I think you should be clear about the kind of left-wing bias that you're alleging In general, I think the bias probably is more towards sensationalism and profits and it is necessarily any even political ideology next I Want to posit the fact maybe it'll be controversial that it's not hard to seem that you have a democrat bias in this country When so much ridiculous shit is coming out of this administration I think um, hey, it's Vadim talked about that a little bit with respect to Things that are directly on point on free speech see for instance libel laws see for instance What he has to say about any given substantive topic Whether it be immigration or the nature of our democracy these are I think Largely unpopular um sort of So we're not mainstream opinions that we might not peacefully hand over power So things like that. It's hard to appear to have a sort of straight and narrow Uh approach I also want to attack the notion that there could ever be a media free from bias. What does that even look like? Just the framing of certain stories the selection of some stories over others is in some sense an editorial decision So I reject the notion that there's some objective Sort of point to reach in which all our media will be unbiased and on the merits of the Of the actual question. I think fox news sinclair broadcasters among others These are mainstream media sources and they're largely republican So I you know, I question I think the the burden of proof is on people alleging a bias to prove it And of course, I think not much more has to be said about trump's attack on the media They're dangerous and I think fairly unsubstantiated. Uh, thank you And next I'm going to throw it over to drone tech politics Okay, uh, can you guys hear me? So, um, there's a lot of smart people here. You guys are intimidating But I'll do my best here, especially since I'm the media guy. Um, there's lots to respond to here, too Um, I definitely think I agree with a lot of you that say that it's kind of hard to quantify what the media is I would when I talk about it I'm talking about network and cable news media um, and hollywood too to some extent, but Um, I mean that definitely leans democrat bias. I don't know about left wing I think that the the media uses the left the far left the communists the socialists and all these guys especially more recently with You know antifa and I you know, these are a whole separate debates but BLM and all this uh running cover for them as I see it and Holding them to standards that they don't hold the other side to and this There's a long history of this long pattern of it going back to Really the Clinton years. I think well, you can go back to George W. Bush the first and kind of track it, but There's a definite bias there. I could I mean, there's tons of studies lots of data Um, as far as um, I just kind of want to address a couple things here. How much time do I have? You've got like I let people go over a little bit. I'll give you like a minute 30 okay, so, um The claim that is for profits, you know, I don't necessarily buy that because And you're right that there's definitely right leaning republican media out there more of it now than there There has been in the past as far as like oan and stuff, which I don't really watch any of it But um, those are the ones that are doing really well if these other ones Wanted to really compete with fox. They would they would just take on the mantra But you know, I agree that both sides are doing it. Um, as far as rationalizing media bias saying, oh, it's it's because trump's so crazy Well, you know You're you're having audio problems. You're really breaking up. It's being attacked by drones It's the media. Yeah One drone. I'll go to somebody else and then come back to you. Is that okay? Okay Uh, brenton Come come to me now. Don't break up Yeah, so I don't know how much you guys heard before but uh, I'm a former activist with occupy wall street And I can tell you beyond the shadow of a doubt that the media does not have a leftist bias in fact, uh before uh, mayor bloomberg sent his storm troopers and declares akati park and uh, sent out like freaking Helicopter police helicopters in the air to prevent coverage from the air um He reached out to the head of the new york times the liberal new york times and it got the assurance that they would take His side in this before he acted that is on record Similarly, we can only see the media's response to bernie sanders Over and over again the media there are certain they appeal to certain audiences and demographics And they serve uh, capitalist profits Uh, so what you have essentially is you have a very large right wing media which came out recently just during the bush years with fox news bright bart um oan has been mentioned you also have more traditional media that kind of leans Establishment liberal, but they tend to be very buttoned down. They hate uh, for instance Antifa for the most part and if you go and you look at articles about antifa. There's a great Uh article a great video by codie johnston on how to Actually cover stories about antifa and you will see the anti antifa bias and the pro fascist bias Even in the so-called liberal media So, um, I would say overall, you know, when you've got chris haze Freaking out and thinking that there's going to be uh, french revolution socialist style executions in central park If freaking bernie sanders wins the present bernie sanders would be a centrist in any other country in europe Suddenly he's are he's gonna bring the revolution It's absolutely ridiculous and it's a lie that the conservatives constantly put out Because people in this position, especially if they're more fascist inclined in their thinking tend to project That is a documented part of fascist psychology and a lot of these people are founded by oil billionaires You've got stuff like prager you. Uh, you got stuff like ben Shapiro You've got um, uh, classically abby being forced on everyone on youtube because of millions of dollars of oil money That have been pushed into that So it is the media left wing the only left-leaning sources that you can really find in the media is maybe the intercept and maybe democracy now That's about it and both of those are pretty mild um And then like if we want to say are trump's attacks on the media fair I mean Trump is a monster. So I don't care if his attacks on the media are fair Um, I would say overall that um, he should be uh, brought down by any means necessary Let me check profit that by any means both just and necessary Okay, uh, I'm gonna wrap it up and throw it over to drone tech. Thank you. Can you guys hear me? Okay now? I'll be quick. Uh, so most of pretty much all the anchors In the mainstream media minus fox are former democrat politicians um, you guys are right about the attacks on bernie, but I mean if it's funny when they were attacking bernie for for uh Promoting uh fidel castros lily literacy program Several people in the media had done that when fidel castro died So there's lots of these there are lots of far left wingers in the media That don't necessarily they attack bernie sanders because they don't see that as the quickest way to their political agenda But I mean, they that's definitely I I got some bad news for me breaking up again. Yeah, I don't know what's going on man I'm gonna go to polar. I'm gonna go to IPA Uh, and we'll come back to you one more time. Uh, we'll see what happens. Okay? Okay Throw it over to polar I think when we talk about the media it is really interesting to hear what people mean Is it the fact that there are a lot of leftists or left-leaning people in media? Is it the stories that they put out? Is it the content that they create? I think that's a very interesting distinction and we can go down that road and actually see what's going on Right? We have platforms and media platforms like radio heavily conservative youtube Which is getting even more and more conservative, but we do have some left-leaning people on now and even meet like even generalized news It's not as left as most people think and I'd love to go into that But I think what's really funny is that there's a lot of irony when it comes to trump criticizing the media Right because a major right-wing critique of media and like this is a thing with all types of like media Is that people will always be like you should get your news from multiple places You should do this this and this Uh, but then when trump criticizes the media most people don't realize that indirectly He's now the source of the majority of a lot of people's news So what he says goes and there's a lot of harm in that we saw that in the past year with coronavirus People are more and more skeptical of the news due to his attacks and as a result We have so much misinformation people are Especially after I don't care especially after that injectable each coat. Okay. That was really cringe. I have to be honest He didn't say that well, well inherently No, no interruption. No interruption is loud But even if he did directly say that that's really important the effect that it had on the people's what matters It's not the words that he individually says but the effect that it has on the individuals and people in society some individuals called For example, um, like like chemical hotlines and like reported that they had done this and were fearful to say that Trump's attacks are I guess to say valid is only one aspect of it The fact that his attacks have created a kind of center on him for news is really disgusting and is kind of authoritarian to a certain aspect I'm going to give it to IPA and I'm going to give drone check One more time afterwards to see if I can get him an intro statement And then we're going to go straight into it. So IPA your turn All right, so even in my opening statement, I'm going to be the dirty centerist and attack both sides immediately According to p research 73 of the the population that they polled Which p research is known for doing pretty unbiased research Says that they agree that the media should be acting as watchdogs However, they did note how harshly that the people poll view how how the media is portraying The both the left and the right depended greatly upon their news sources and their political leanings And I have that study up and we can certainly talk about other people want to see that But so just keep that in mind as we're as we're having this discussion Where people get their news from and what their political leanings are are greatly going to shade this conversation Even according to their research, so Does the media have a bias? Yes, but I don't think it's specifically just the left side It's absolutely both sides like a couple of people have mentioned But I expect that's going to happen when you have like eight companies that control all of the media in this entire country, right In the 1950s, it was more like 50 companies. Okay now. It's like eight So, yeah, I guess, you know, I'm not real shocked by that at all So, uh, are trumps a trumps attacks warranted on the media on principle? Yes, when you get things wrong Uh, and you mischaracterize the president. Yes, absolutely. He has the right to respond to those things Um, is he responding in in even more absurd and outlandish things sometimes? Yes, he absolutely is so Okay, uh, now i'm gonna bring it back to troentech for one more shot at that intro I apologize everybody. I know everybody wants to get in here. I just want to say one more thing As far as trumps attacks on the media, I think that trump takes it too far sometimes. I think Like outright saying enemy of the people although I personally have Thought that for a long time. I think that's as a president that he shouldn't do that But our media is deeply corrupt and I think trump is right to call them out And I think all I stopped, you know, I watch it from my channel But that's it, you know, I used to hate watch it and enjoy it and to some degree fox news I'd watch the end all of it, but uh, it's poison obviously and uh So I think trumps attacks are right. Do I think he goes about the right way? Not necessarily But I mean go back to obama now. I don't want this isn't a what about ism But obama kind of set the stage for attacking media The media was largely in in the tank for him I meant I went through the bush years and they you know, I especially have to irak where they were very anti bush and then literally the day that obama's elected they're very pro obama and spinning every everything positively for obama And he went after fox hard. He got anita done in there and they had the war on fox And so and there's a lot more involved in that and you all probably know about it, but So, you know that you guys love that guy. So I mean, he started all this and so that that's pretty So, I mean, we probably agree on more of this than you than you think but uh, I definitely think and we can I'm looking forward to going around on this, but uh, it's definitely got a democrat party bias I mean, they are basically the joe bine campaign at this point and that's my closing Okay, now it is free and open dialogue. You may engage freely to try to be um, try to be productive What do you mean obama started at all? What does that mean? Well, he started, uh, making a tax on the media more like Mainstream there had been a tax on media there have been for a long time But he had he brought anita done into the white house and they literally called it the war on fox news Okay, and they and she would go out regularly and say all they're the arm of the republican party And they're just lying and they're they are I mean they are the okay, but then But the network she's on is doing it for the democrat party They're they're not only an arm of the uh republican party, but they're basically like a propaganda machine for the uh republican party So I just want to say just real quickly. Um, if you could do me a solid dillon and not come to me first for the questions because I Overprepared my opening statements and it'll take me a little while to uh, kind of parse through my my Notes and whatnot. No problem. I'm gonna say Um, but I'll just hop in and say real quickly that I think that in a superficial sense There are certain ways that the Overwhelming majority of what people think of is the mainstream media is in a in a superficial sense Uh left wing, but I'd argue that it's far more centrist in many other ways than most conservative Conservatives admit or recognize For instance, um, you know, because they are desperate for conservative viewers and this manifests itself in so many different ways For instance, most of the time is cnn or msnbc is hosting a climate change discussion. They're going to have Uh a climatologist up against some climate change denier Who uh has no business being there because they're just spewing absolute bullshit Most of these people are also paid by special interests and whatnot We could get into that but those motherfuckers They just have no decent reason to be there because they're peddling absolute bs And there's other examples of that. The last thing I'll say just because I want to hand it over to other people Is that I mean this has been going on for a very long time. We all remember what occurred during Uh the iraq war every well most people knew that or at least most informed people knew That the weapons of mass destruction thing was all a smoke screen that it was largely bullshit And there were some key people in the media who kind of spoke out about it Some people lost their jobs because they spoke out too much about it And and they should have been kind of sounding the alarm bells on that war And that just didn't happen if the Media was truly as left-wing as many people would like to say it is There would have been so much more opposition to the war before it started and that whole quagmire clusterfuck Went into uh, you know, they went ahead Um, I think I think oh i'm hearing feedback from someone But um, I think the dean brings up a really good point when it comes to objectivity versus neutrality I think a lot of people expect us to have this like whole idea of like both sides in the media Even when one side is completely wrong. That's not a good way to approach I think any form of like um like public interpretation of news such as like I don't want to necessarily see like a flat earther versus a around earther on tv and And give credibility to both of them as if they're equal standings. That's a really important aspect Do you think democrats are just naturally correct? Well, it's hard to like top it's because they're never When is the media? Black I that was that was a question directed specifically a polar. So I wanted to polar an opportunity to respond No, I don't necessarily think that democrats are always right. Can you give me an example recently of the media like being critical of a democrat's Policy or idea you want to give me one? I mean what we already mentioned the media is not a conglomerate Would you like to you said that you watch a lot of news? Would you like to give me one? No, there is none. There's not a No, I don't watch fox. I watch more. I don't watch fox My channel I don't watch fox news is the media. They're heavily critical Right. I told you today I not arguing with about fox. They're just as corrupt. I'm not that's not my argument I think I can answer your question drone tech. I mean I If you're a specific question though, very specific Well, one single policy or scandal or anything that the media was critical of democrats on the media You can't be critical of a whole number of of policies that bernie sanders put forward far more And then then anyone AOC as well media love me About bill clinton. No, no, no, no, no, no, they love talking about AOC They love kind of like making her part of the conversation. They don't know what's going against AOC and her policies No democrats are going against it No, there are a lot of You know what I like I was a really big fan of Basically, you know how you say like all don trump, you know, he hates the media and he always says everything's fake news Or they're out to get them But I like how no one said a thing when polosi said she was set up and it was fake news against her when she went into the hair salon Yeah, but like no one no one condemned that Whatsoever except for like fox Here's another instance How about when the hill put out a false story an outright false salacious story where they said uh, donald trump's uh Rally and like I think it was in south carolina where nobody was wearing masks But every single picture took and videos showed that well over 80 of the people that were taking masks Like they constantly lie they take they take pictures and set certain angles and make it look worse On on on donald trump and things this nature and it's happening all the time But like but no you're not going to admit that what about the fact They would do they would literally have gyms at like 10 capacity and they would crowd everybody to the front get high angle So make it look like it's packed constant media To try to make us look like we didn't have as many people as we did to try to make us look stupid to try to make us look Wrong, uh, you would see constantly I would see like reporters from mainstream media sites even uh stuff That's like very perceived as very far left leaning would come to the park And ignore anyone who could say anything Reasonable and go straight to the crazy people every single time because they were interested in slandering us Similarly, uh with the occupy will return of sesley mcmillan the only occupy protester Uh to actually be convicted. Um, I was working on the media team for that uh thing What and what I watched happen was um, we worked really hard to try to get the daily show to cover it The left-leaning daily show we sent uh, we we reached out to them again and again again Finally they agreed we're gonna cover it. We're gonna do some jokes on this story Now this is a girl facing seven years in prison for elbowing a cop with a history of violence in the eye After he grabbed her breast from behind didn't even know it was a cop You know what happened? Oh the daily show covered it But what they did was they instantly just took the police's side. They said oh assaulting a police officer Yeah, you can't do that That was john stewart's joke and he nearly got sesley put in prison for seven years for a wayward elbow It's the most ridiculous thing these people definitely do have a bias towards making their editors happy And towards playing to their particular audience and for kissing up to the powerful and the elite But that is not the same thing as having a left-wing bias particularly because the powerful and the elite are not left Wing in any way shape or form since the left looks to destroy the powerful and the elite Um, you know, all you guys really got to do is watch gnome chomsky's Manufacturing consent and we see how the entire media got behind the iraq war and similarly Similarly, if you look at the coverage of occupy wall street, you'll see the entire media for the most part getting behind Destroying and defaming occupy wall street and we see it again now with antifa I think we really had to talk about what the left is I understand what you're saying brenton and you're saying that the left when you're saying the left At least correct me if i'm wrong. You're talking about like progressive left um Not like the establishment left, but in a lot of people's eyes. We still see that as the left even though you're fighting against that I mean, you may see that that's a that's a sign of uh, the uh depravity of american culture Like what's happened is you believe just like gnome chomsky where he says america's the great satan. That's you believe gnome chomsky doesn't stay america No, i don't think america's the great satan. He refers to america as the great satan. I mean he may have said that But that's like he's probably quoting somebody when he says no So anyway, I don't want to argue about chomsky in particular because that's an ad hominem argument And it's stupid and you shouldn't have brought it up. No, no, no, you brought up No, no, you just said america was bad He quoted chomsky's idea and then you attacked chomsky on some other unrelated He then he went directly into a line of attacking america and I said, oh I mean suspect sorry for anything. I excited a documentary suspect. I don't know why I went after polar for that one Uh, stop talking polar uh suspect. Okay. Okay. So so your problem uh with let me just get down here with uh With this person you're in danger with right now. Um, could you be more clear so you can respond clearly? I'm I'm I'm kind of confused a little bit Who are you talking to? sushi accused chomsky of being anti-american and she's conflating that I think with a position that was cited by brenton, uh talking about the media and how they Convinced people in the right-wing direction and sushi to sort of put down brenton is saying for unrelated purposes You shouldn't listen to chomsky Although I don't agree with brenton's notion that america is like disturbed I think that the right-wingers on this panel are wrong about the democrat bias too. Not just the leftist bias By the way, I'm just talking about the fact that american like perceptions of politics is out of step with the rest of the world The oberton window has been pulled very far to the right in our country And it happened because of the destruction of the left during the macartheist era Due to cold war era So what happened was was that the anarchist movement and the socialist movement and the communist movement Were suppressed and destroyed in their entirety and people's lives were ruined as a result of this And what happened was is that led to things being unbalanced where we have the far right in america Which is currently in power when we have the centrists and then we have the democrats which are essentially I would say they're slightly more Uh socially progressive, but as far as economics go, they're basically 90s era republicans So when I talked about uh, how disturbed american culture is I just mean that the oberton window is too far in one direction and that you're not seeing the whole picture So I would consider the left to be anything that challenges The current economic status quo. So I would say so stem like bernie sanders That's about the the furthest right wing center of the of the left They're talking about left wing and they're including democrats. So you have to talk to each other If you're only talking about like our definition of leftism or what that is then we're not talking to each other So we need to I think be capacious enough to include their definition of left wing Which I reject that the democrats are sort of favored in the media. I want to throw it over to Drone you cut out you drona got some bad news for you Your mic's messing up again, and I gotta throw it over to the deem Who was raising? I would like to to uh to actually speak but I'm just going to just because I think it's fair I saw that the turk he hasn't chimed in that much. He did have his hand up So I'd like to throw it over to him and then then if that's cool Then I'll I'll chime in with what I had to say sure. Uh turk was also on the list. Yeah I'll go after you since I whatever But I posted I posted a picture to the discord with a good chart that has a lot of known Media outlets and I want to hear the panel's opinion on how these outlets are Categorized because from what I'm seeing it's showing that both liberals Left-leaning outlets are in fact left-leaning and right-leaning outlets are right-leaning. I want to hear people's opinions throughout data So I can give you guys the link to that chart as well and you can go and read all the data and stuff But this is uh, you know, it's not a Biased source from my understanding Okay, is now the time where I Okay, cool. Um So I just want to throw out there real quickly that I really do think that we need to Brought in the circle here because tons of people these days are consuming their media through things like youtube and online publications These are not small sources. Sometimes they get far more views than uh, like cable companies who have Primetime broadcasts So, you know, I mean, there's no shortage of popular right-wing outlets the daily wire I believe is the largest or rather the most read Right-wing publication or really news publication period on facebook. There's the blaze Um, brenton was talking about the you know channels like prager you steven crowder ben chapiro I I name all three of those in a row because these are all who who receive funding from everyone from the coke brothers to Highly evangelical fracking billionaires. So when viewed in totality, I don't think that the media media skews very far left at all because all of those things have to be kind of held into account and all of those sources that I mentioned are just They're they're they're very influential on politics today. Yeah, tim pool just passed a million subscribers That's right more or at least as much And y'all view tim pool as a right. Oh tim pool is definitely Yeah, he's right. Yeah. Yeah, so I would like to add on Yeah, he basically he's just a he's just a grifter honestly This is separate, but I have another point to address I think it's really funny that we just established that like the media isn't a conglomerate But we hear the same talking points that trump uses about the media this the media that right after we've established That it's like a diverse platform with multiple people and we have people like drone tech and sushi who are like Well, the media they do this and they do that I gotta address that I I don't know that we can't call well, okay So, uh, yes, you're right We have a lot of these independent sources, especially with the the rise of internet media You know things like twitch and things like youtube and where people have their own independent platforms within another platform Right, but if you look at the media as a whole if you're talking about traditional media sources newspapers tv stations Holy shit, those are giant conglomerates. They're all over I can address this point as well one when we think about like media sources We all know fox news has the most viewers not just in news but in cable in general That's one aspect and I also have a really interesting interesting study that other fox is now owned by disney, right? Fox is fox. I don't know what to tell you This ties in because one we all realize news is a corporation They go where profit is to be made and since there's a market for right wing new Like right wing news on national tv. There's gonna be one one two I said one that was that was the point Yeah, that was point one i'm going to point to yeah, but there is only one or two though, but yeah Well, they are the largest well like two points of five seven million That's massive uh with like the other like news media like coming like the trailing behind, right? um The turk brought up an interesting aspect about like the media like the media companies or the outlets on like uh Like a platform on like on like this kind of like distribution, right? But even if there was a liberal bias, it doesn't actually affect what stories are covered, right? There was a really interesting study It actually dictates how I've polar I want them to finish the statement and then after I want this to bring To uh drone because drone hasn't been able to talk to you to technical issues for a little bit Let turk go. He's been he's been dying. He's addressing me real quick on i he's t ended up for a home run here Okay, okay. Polar. Would you like to finish? So there was a really interesting study that looked at the individual journalists at these media outlets, right? So even if they were liberal they did a blind study and submitted over 400 news articles, right? And they all looked at the fact that even though they were liberal conservative or would other independently defined political affiliation They still reported about the same news like the the same types of news I think it easily demonstrates that even though there may be like this kind of distribution onto where they may be generally It's not affecting which stories that they covered and one really important aspect of this as well Is this study didn't just include national networks, but local news and state news That's really important We do not take that into effect when we think about national news networks because a lot of people get their news from Like local or like radio news for example So can I respond? So that's that study is from a science mac. I actually posted it in the discord as well And yes, what they determined was what you said is in fact But if did you actually read the article and how they performed the study? Yeah, I looked at the methodology. Yeah Okay, cool. So you know that the response rate for this was very very very low Especially statistically speaking for a study of this scale, right? And the questions they were asking were basically we're going to come up with this Uh, make not make believe but like a pretend person that's running for a senate seat governor or whatever And they like intentionally ask these people to respond back and they said, uh, yeah, I'll cover it and it's like That's that's not call. That's not like the news that we're talking about here. That's like, yeah We'll go and report the news what we're talking about is the bigger picture and this goes into what brenton was saying People want to be selling this the views for money and everything This is not an interesting story. No one cares what like some potential person's going to be running for Wait, but that's wait, but that kind of demonstrates whether it's actually left or right right specific No, and if you even go and look at the data itself, I can actually show you the It's figure four here. Um, if you actually actually it's not figured for Whatever, uh, I can we can talk about it in the dm But basically if you look at it, there is actually Slight skews that conservatives will report more on conservative stuff and both sides of the progressive liberalism will report more on liberal Uh people that are going yeah, what was the percentage on that though quick question for the turk It's not a percentage thing. It's a trend thing and that's this entire conversation. Is there a bias in the media? Yes, so the so The story it's not just the story, but the spin on that story or the way it's covered like Like a great example of this and I'm not it's not that I want to get into like race and police and stuff But this is a good example the media does not report on let's briana taylor's a great example So that happens, but uh, there was another big story in houston where two white people were shot and killed by And a no knock raid that uh, two black cops lied to get so it was an unlawful Warrant and yet you don't hear about that now Let's we gotta we gotta let them finish and then you can There is there is definitely a bias bet in what stories they'll cover to advance a narrative If they reported both stories that narrative that they're that they're going with right now might start to crumble now Now that there's more context injected so they will ignore stories Purpose or if they do cover it they won't cover it in the same racially kind of hysterical lens that they would otherwise Really One is I reject your notion that you have the Opinion or the the perfect analysis of when something is covered in a hysterical way I reject that you have the credentials to assign for me or to sign for the people What's hysterical and what's not second of all people cared more about the briana taylor story If you have a problem with more people covering the briana taylor story, you have a problem with people Uh caring more about that story. So I think that the egg The sort of starting factor is what people care about and the media will tell her to that and if people don't care much about your story They're not going to cover it So right if they don't care about political reasons, they won't cover it. Yeah the the the issue with I've heard this question a lot Why doesn't the because you know the cops do kill a ton of white people So why does the media not cover white people in the way that they cover the murder of black people? It is because there is not a racialized element to the killing of white people by police And if you're just assuming it's a racial element, you're just you know, I'm saying there's not a racial element My god, I'm saying and if they were to work in a what they would have to do you're just rationalizing it No, I'm not rationalizing it if they would have to to cover the police murders of white people In the way they cover police murders of black people would have to lead to a criticism of the police overall as an institution Which might actually do that because they're liberals and they like the police Okay What I'm gonna do here. I want to make oh Suspect I want to make sure that we do remember that this was about media bias And I want to make while you're talking about this in the aspect of media bias Make sure it stays in that aspect and we don't get off into a debate specifically about police because nobody here studied for that Um, sure, but this relates directly to media bias. The the the the fact is is that they're not biased It's not like they're trying to hide the murders of uh white people They absolutely are let me tell you let me tell you so cbs was tweeting out the other day cbs and abc And mbc was getting out and I'll let you go turk They were tweeting out 139 black people killed this year so far and they had a wall like a wall of names Like nobody okay. Why were they killed? We don't know. There's all these details that are left out on purpose Because it's part of a narrative, right can't comprehensive. They can't just list everything. There's an information Why would you put that out? That is insightful I'll get it. I I know you said you're gonna throw it to turk, but IPA hasn't talked in a while So I want to throw the IPA Vadim and then turk if that's okay As much as I would like to attack the the the racial notion there. I I'm I'm gonna respect what Dylan wanted to do and not go there um I feel like drunk. Like you're taking this in a you know, really way more nefarious way than I think it needs to be looked at I I feel like There's an obvious motivator here and it's not racial undertones. It's not, you know, what we're trying to push as a narrative I think it's money. It's what's getting attention. What's getting people to watch. It's money All right, I agree. I'm not saying it's racial necessarily. I'm saying they're using race for political agenda And that's why they What's the political well ultimately above all it's to get Democrats in power So this helps that along because that's the that's that's what Democrats are out there It's all to bolster what the Democrats are out there saying The media is like a wholesale arm of the democratic party Not wholesale, but largely. Yeah, I mean look at abc news. George Stephanopoulos for former clinton official You got at abc. Um, what's his face that was uh, also part of the obama administration Like they're all these anchors are former democrats Like working for the fact that they're former democrats means that they're affiliated in a way that it's an agent relationship And the the media is taking their marching orders from dnc. Is that you're watching it? I think they're watching Orders from the companies above abc so abc again like again go back to what I said in chat disney, right? Like it's disney viacom Let me go back to my thing here. Hang on a second Uh, give me two seconds No question for the turk, all right And it's like it's like six companies one of which being disney that owns abc, which owns like So, yes, they're they're it's coming downhill, right? And ultimately what it is is that they're Yes, there's there's a lot of money involved in that in that right and so yes, they're being told from on high To do these things I want to throw it over to Vadim then the turk and then sus because I saw sus raised the same too Okay, I'd like to Speak a little more to donald trump and the media I think that he is actually just a threat to freedom of the press in general I think I absolutely do and and I'll name some some facts that I think established that One he said it was to just in true dough. He said it was frankly disgusting the way that the press is able to write Whatever they want to write He threatened to cancel the broadcast licenses of media companies that offer negative coverage of him He had the white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders call espn to fire jamil hill for criticizing him He The who is at the time the fbi director to jail reporters who publish classified information or he asked if that was possible I guess that's more more like in line with with what it was He threatened to pull The credentials of the reporters I mean the reporters sorry who write negative stories about him while admitting he considers negative media coverage to be Fake. Um, I mean I could go on here. I I have a long extensive list Um, and you know, he's he said 91 of the network news about me is fake Uh, I mean it's just this man is in Stark opposition to the very spirit of both. I think free speech There's there's other arguments that I can make to to do that individually and more importantly just the freedom of press But I name both of those things at the same time because they're just kind of inextricably linked But anyway, that's something in the in the discord. Can you can you tell me what this story proves? Well, what it proves is that they the media is not interested in details They want people thinking that black people are being hunted down by police just shot people are being really merely just shot They're just shot. Like they're really they are being hunted down by police. No, they're not really not No Yes, I do The trump justice department admitted Admitted that in Ferguson the Ferguson police department, which was started as a slave black organization Dogs strictly to torture and intimidate only black suspect provide that source with the exact words I would I would like to provide that source with the exact words. You just said That source with the exact words look up You I'm sorry. Okay, so I'm just going back. I just want to get back to the list While he tries to get the source to provide it for the Turk Turk was actually on the list and then it was sus Turk, do you want to go or should I throw this up first? Yeah, I can go So question for the panel, um, you know the the whole Breonna Taylor thing was a complete tragedy I think everybody agrees with that But what was the type of warrant that was served the night that it happened? I want everyone to respond to this because this goes to the topic tonight It was I think it was served as a as a knock warrant after right the the allegation There are disputes about the facts is answering your question. There's no dispute about the facts There is a dispute about the facts of how it was executed, right? So the judge watched the attorney general And he said it was a no knock warrant Correct There is no refuting that it is a fact Oh, there's refuting how it was executed, right? So there's dispute about the facts And whether they knock right? I'm not saying one way or the other but but to answer your question There's a question It wasn't racial, but the media is making people think it's racial I don't want to get into that to the stories of the sort of the instances of those stories That goes towards this entire discussion You're not getting fed facts the right way and that is framing how people are understanding and interpreting information There's media outlets fox nudes does it wrong scenen does does it wrong? They are not perpetrating the facts the way they are that is are if you go to the new york times They will say things like there doesn't there Undisputed that the first shot was by the boyfriend They give the facts as understood by the special prosecutor in the ag I think the the tail that's wagging the whole dog is public perception The public thinks that there's the media is giving the public the perception. I don't think it's that way I think that there's a perception. I can guarantee The public did not watch the attorney general's remarks about the case They did of course they did Of course they did Let's let's let's talk about kyle. Let's let's just briefly pivot to kyle rednaus, right? Because you and I and a couple other people were on your on your stream reading the actual charges, right? And we kind of analyze it, right? Not it who how many people do you think are actually honestly out there doing that like really probably not that A lot of course not a lot. What's what's the point it like the people aren't going to read huge A very small minority of people are going to actually be that well informed We read the uh motion to dismiss Sentence like the memorandum that was issued by the defense lawyers. No one's doing that unless you're Sort of a weirdo like we are so I have to say I'm a murderer I understand that no first of all. No, that's not the case people are criticizing aspects of that That incident on both sides there are people saying this was valid self-defense On the media who are like I didn't mean to bring up I didn't mean to bring up retina house because I want to talk about the issue But my point was there are a very small number of people in this world that are going to intentionally be as informed as someone like yourself Right that are going to sit down for three hours and analyze what that they actually said So yes a lot of us just get our media from hey I saw this headline on the news and they talked about it for a minute for my local That's a perfect point and it goes to drones point about why aren't they showing more stuff? The fact is there's a bandwidth problem here. They can't show everything They have to cut stuff because people aren't going to read everything here. They've got uses and rationalizations. Just like rationalization a whole object objectivity versus You said object her Right, I mean and I'm hearing this a lot from the these people on the media And it's these supervised people who are uh and look guys I'm for I'm all for media that's tough on politicians including trump But they they specifically omit by a lot. They lie by omission constantly. They omit tons of data They omit stories of uh, unarmed white people being shot by cops and they do that because It would make the whole current narrative crumble these people protesting would look like I mean, I'm sorry It's a conspiracy theory. I mean the whole hands up. Don't shoot. That was a conspiracy theory That's still leading to like death and destruction today and that was popularized. I don't want to get in the merits How is that a conspiracy theory? It didn't happen. I don't want to get What didn't happen? Yeah, the hands up those shoots started for michael brown and it didn't happen. Correct. It did not happen Okay, I don't want to get in the Pivot away from it. No, no, no, pisco pisco before you before you pivot away from it What he is quite literally saying is the hands up Don't shoot narrative of michael brown was falsely reported on and massively spread And when it finally came out with the truth of the matter that happened They barely barely and usually it's during non-peak hours like offered any type of Of their previous news So one is First sit strictly to michael brown hands up. Don't shoot with something that was popularized because oftentimes unarmed uh When michael brown it literally stemmed from the from the michael brown, uh, The Of michael brown, but it was not just simply about michael brown and there is I want to hear brenton finish this point. Yeah, there's plenty of data and I actually have it right here Because I was prepared for a debate on blm That proves conclusively that cops shoot unarmed black men more often than they shoot unarmed white men proportionately Statistics actually says you're lying about that per capita. It's not don't get in the merits. It's not what the competition's about Okay, so I'm putting i'm ending in there next person Okay, brent has been the most muted I said if next person to talk is muted he got muted look, okay We're I'm forcefully dragging it back to the media. Okay. I understand that this is a Topic that uh should probably be discussed. I specifically chose not to choose these as one of the topics Um due to the fact that I want to make sure people had plenty of time to research And I wanted to have specific guests on to talk about that topic Maybe some of you can come on in the future to talk specifically about black lives matter And I understand how it is also related to The topic but I think we're getting way too in the weeds on the specific point When it's specifically about this and the future if you want to come on here to talk about this in the future Send me a dm. I will do my best to have uh anybody who's on here right now to all to be on that future show I've done a black lives matter panel that was 100 about black lives matter before I'm willing to do it again due to recent events I just want to make sure that we get back on topic since we don't have a lot of time left on this So we can finish this. So I'm going to throw it first to Vadim and then I'm going to uh after that I hope I can get the polar never got my my uh I will say the suspect you did get to talk a lot in these engagements. Um, I will when they say Yeah We'll get back to you. I promise. Okay. If not here you will get an ending statement just like everybody else Okay, so I'm going to throw it to Vadim. I'm going to throw it to polar and then I'll throw it to sus Sure, I'd like to throw a throw out a question to I mean, I guess everybody but I'm really interested to see what the conservative Folks on the panel have to say about this. I'm wondering if you will at least concede that there are some very dangerous Issues that trump has popularized That um have uh, you know, he's helped take root in more in society Uh, but I'll just name two right off the top of my head. Um global warming is a chinese hoax I mean, that's not the only thing that he's said about it, but he's very dismissive of global warming in general It's an existential crisis to the planet and I think that kind of President saying things of that sort is really horrible coronavirus. He's spread, uh, you know, I mean way too many, uh, Just just bullshit things about coronavirus to even for for me to even launch into Listing them so I my question to you it doesn't have to be those if you don't think Those to apply But is there any topic that you feel that he has been really dishonest with with the american public and the media media in general An open question of right wingers or what was yeah Everyone can chime in but it I would like to hear what the right wingers especially have to say about this I mean, he's so often misquoted. I'm just I'm just fact checking the chinese hoax Or do you do you say global warming was a hoax? He says a chinese hoax? I just want to see He said it's a chinese hoax also He used to say that that the west was responsible for it way back in the day. Um, but anyhow From a dylan burns video as a matter of fact I think there was a lot of information about covet early on. I mean worldwide I mean in our country. Hey, I see a roll in your eyes, but I mean the facts are the facts I mean january he closed out. He shut down travel really jane very Talking about China town and said it's racist of him to close down travel to china and we should just come to china town Everything's fine. You know, you know, you know, it's pretty cringe calling it the china virus Let let me clarify the question, okay Um, uh, I'm not asking you to speak to how well he handled the crisis in general I'm asking if you thought that he put forward a lot of false statements about about corona virus itself Uh at And and and if you don't think so Is there anything that you can name that you think that he has been dishonest about that you think Is an issue of importance Can I just real quick say before trump it was kind of accepted that politicians lie all the time. Yeah, I know, right? Oh my god Do you remember when do you remember when barack obama, uh, uh, drone strike an american citizen who just had like all the way around Street made a huge issue of it. I was Actually Do you remember the uh when people were bringing that up to him and then the media was saying the only reason They were bringing it up to him because he was black. I remember that like i'm just saying there's obvious There's certain No, i'm I think there's media bias on both the right and the left I think heavy bias is an issue and I think that trumps, uh attacks on media in general Are warranted the fact Is I've been wanting to ask this for a while. Okay, you can ask the question. No. No, I was actually literally Talking to you just then I I'm going to Okay, I can respond to the question. Okay, cool. But then we gotta actually I want to go through the rest of the list Oh, by the way, if you deem i'm getting a lot of feedback from you I apologize. I'll try in unfortunately my um My headphone jack is kind of fucked up. So hopefully this will help I have a quick question for the turk. Um, and I bear with me on this because this is relevant Um, is india is the nation of india in the west or the east? I'd probably say it's in the east Okay, now this is interesting So with regard to your media study of things being on the left or the right and where they are Um, if you read the writings of the zen budists, they will say that the buddha came from the west Because the buddha came from india So obviously when you get a study like what you posted in the discord where it's like going in a thing There is a bias in it by selecting where the you are here point is where the center point is I'm saying that the center point is moved further to the right than the actual center Taking into account the diversity of all political major political opinions on the planet But to take that logic, you would also think that bernie sanders is only slightly left compared to Normalized Yeah, so that's not the way if you go to like the neutral camp, he is far left Yeah, but the neutral camp is inherently reactionary. That's counter to your point. The buddha came from west Yeah The neutral camp in the united states is far to the right of the neutral camp in europe and pretty much all over the world Because only the united states Harderly destroyed its entire far left movement I mean, Eugene redeb, the president from prison and received like 30 of the vote um The fact of the matter is is that during the cold war It became uh politically dangerous to be a communist when communists have been part of this nation Ever since communism became a thing in the same way that it became politically dangerous to be a socialist or politically dangerous to be an anarchist and To the 1980s these voices were totally suppressed and not allowed within discourse And so the united states discourse moves further to the left and the thing that became identified with the left is not actually leftist So what it's only here Wait, that demonstrates kind of the point that like the brenton's trying to get across I'd also like to adjust turk when I went when we looked over figure four of that that story one That was I don't even think that was considered statistically significant to make that much of a difference one To I would also say that like the the rhetoric that trump is you saying things like fake news and reinforcing this aspect about like This bad form of media is spreading across the world, right? Was a bad one thought news was called fake news for eight years under obama. Was that bad? What this is wait, wait, wait, you're not even letting me wait This has nothing to do with my point inherently what i'm trying to say is that his rhetoric Right and the the way that he speaks and engages with the media spreading across the world We see this i'm pretty sure like with bolson arrow in brazil We saw this in egypt were four days before he got to eat trump got to egypt They passed fake news laws which literally made anyone over 5 000 followers considered a news outlet to say What are you talking about? i'm talking about exporting this to the like other aspects of the world and then Large differences there. So what president influences the world at large. What's wait? Wait? Wait? Wait? My point is Wait, wait, we have to over figure four of that that story one that was i don't even think that was considered statistically significant to make that much of a difference one two I would also say that like the the rhetoric that trump is you saying things like fake news and reinforcing this aspect about Like this bad form of media is spreading across the world, right? Was a bad one thought news was called fake news for eight years under obama. Was that bad? What this is wait, wait, you're not even letting me wait This has nothing to do with my point inherently what i'm trying to say is that his rhetoric Thanks for listening and let's stop, it's fair to argue with me engages with the media spreading across the world. We see this I'm pretty sure like with Bolsonaro and Brazil. We saw this in Egypt where four days before Trump got to Egypt, they passed fake news laws which literally made anyone over 5,000 followers considered a news outlet. To say that like- It's not as long as before Trump. What are you talking about? I'm talking about exporting this to the like other aspects of the world and then making large differences there. So what? The president influences the world at large. What's the- Wait, wait, wait, wait. My point is that- Is this the world of the bad way? It's not. Wait, wait, wait, wait. That's a good way of- That's great. Let's let Polar finish my point. It's not. You just said Trump's rhetoric. I'm a fake news. I'm a fake news rhetoric. I want to hear the end of Polar's point and throw it to Susie because I gotta wrap it up. So one aspect of this, what I'm saying is this form of rhetoric is exporting across the world especially when it comes to other nations where they have stricter and harsher effects. Yes, Susie, we are an influencer around the world and that's why what we do matters. Specifically when it comes to one of the most important aspects of having a free and democratic society is the media in this sense. And when we're pushing laws and aspects that are necessarily criticizing and demonizing the media even worse than we're doing now, please tell me how that creates a free and democratic society. So the same media that said before the election that challenging the election results was an attack on democracy. The same media that has rejected the election results for the last four years, right? It's irrelevant to my point though, Trump. It's not. It's not. No, no, no, no, no. It creates a precedent of challenging it every time you guys lose. That's not the point that I'm trying to make, Susie. I'm not talking about whether the media, I'm not actually, wait, wait, wait, listen, listen. I'm not talking about whether the media is actually engaging in this form of behavior. What I'm talking about is this individual, our president, is exporting this kind of response and these ways of addressing media. It's not necessarily relevant whether the media is actually doing it or not. What's relevant is this aspect of exporting it to the other parts of the world where one, they have even worse leaders than we do here and they're making it much worse for the citizens of that state. No, no, no. He's not exporting a thing. The fact of the matter is, if someone is influenced by the way he carries himself, that's not a conscious effort done by Donald Trump. You're attacking, he's not Machiavellian. It doesn't have to be a conscious effort. Why are we not? No, no, no, he's not, he's not playing 4D chess. Dude, he's just attacking. Well, of course. No, wait, he doesn't have to be an idiot. Yeah, he's an idiot. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Suspect, you're gonna finish this up and then we're gonna go into ending statement which Geek is gonna have to organize. You already good? Geek, can you organize ending statements because I need to use the bathroom terribly and moderating while needing to use the bathroom is an extremely stressful position to be in. Oh, I also wanna say, I'm gonna do something really biased. Eugene Debs, I actually yesterday just studied Eugene Debs in history class. It was 6% of the vote, not 30. Okay, let's continue. Yeah, 6%. That's pretty impressive, but I thought it was 30. We're gonna do closing statements in the order of webcam. So hey, it's Vadim, you start. Wait, real quick. I'm sorry to cut you, but apparently Dylan mutated you on his end, probably because of the echo. So yeah, we're gonna go to someone else and wait until Dylan comes back because yeah. I think Sushi was primed up for things before the closing statements. Yeah, well, guess next. So yeah, Suspect Sushi, your turn. My closing statement. Basically, all we've heard here is the confirmation bias of people on the left thinking that the basically big tech and all the news outlets that are on their side are being completely fair and balanced and everything that they do and not biased whatsoever when it comes to covering Trump. Even I can outright admit that there's favoritism and bias from like Fox News, OAN and things like this to make Trump look better. But that's in fact, I find it astounding to me that you can't just admit that these things are absolutely happening on both sides. So it just shows that you can't be consistent. Also, I just hear the constant whining and complaining, well, I'm from some monster, from some monster. Dude, it is played out, my guy. Like, dude, I gotta be honest with you, Vadim. You seem to be a nice guy, but that lady who was like wailing on the Washington Monument steps did it way better than you? So you might as well just give it up now. Other than that, good ol' Uhuru for all my boys in chat and I'm done. All right, the talk. So I wanna answer Vadim's question about if I don't believe or trusted Trump's statements about anything. I will say about the COVID thing. I never really followed what Trump said because I don't find Trump to be an expert when it comes to medical advice. I looked towards Dr. Fauci and you know what happened? He was wrong about several things. The entire CDC was mixed up. There was a bunch of miscommunications like Drone Tech said at the beginning. And you know, people get facts wrong during this entire pandemic thing. So it's like, you know, if Trump's saying to inject bleach, that's just dumb. And if you believe he's actually advocating that, you're dumb, okay? And then I think, Polar, you had a question for me too. I don't remember what it was. Can you ask that real quick? Geek, is it okay? I was just mentioning- Yeah, yeah, yeah. What we talked about. Yeah, so that figure four, they mentioned in the second. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the figure, sure it's not showing the drastic bias that we were trying to talk about tonight, but what it shows is the trend. And the fact is that the trend shows that there is bias in the media and that's what this topic is. There is bias. And you guys, I even threw a very heavily biased source of information at you guys and y'all didn't get to refute it, sorry. All right. You can answer that later, basically. You're not allowed to, well, yeah. You're not allowed to enter during closing an opening statement. I'm going to pray to Pisco. Yeah, I think it's what has been shown on this panel. Maybe somewhat effectively by the right-wingers are individual instances of reporters and news outlets being irresponsible, at times biased, totally accept, to the extent that those instances were proven, it's valid, right? So there are instances where reporters fuck up or they get the wrong story where they perpetuate a false narrative. No one denies that. It happens in news outlets all the time. Happens on social media all the time. The question though is, is there a larger liberal bias? And I think that bias, if it exists, exists among people and consumers. And whether or not the hands up don't shoot is an instance of the tail wagging the dog. I think it might be. I think it's people having their own rallying cries and their own slogans and the media picking up on it. And the media sort of, I see them as more innocent actors in this than people who are perpetuating from the top down narratives which the people are following. I think the people are moving and shaping a lot of the narratives and the media doesn't really have a dog in the political fight. Some individual reporters might, but I think the media is too diverse to be referred to as an it. And I don't think they have a conscious desire for political in one way or the other. All right. Real quick, I just posted in the chat every source given during this debate in the group. In the future, if you post a source in the group, please post it in the Dylan's chat as well. Dylan, can you unmute creationist Kat on your end? Basically because he couldn't give his closing statement. Oh, sorry. Yeah, I had him muted due to the feedback. But yeah, now you can give your closing statement. Yeah, go ahead. Sure. I mean, I'll just briefly speak to suspect Sushi. Sorry, that's a hard name to say. His straw man about my point of view. Yeah, I think that there is a basic media bias that is somewhat superficial. I don't think that it goes much further than kind of advocating for left wing candidates. And I mean, I just, there are certain ways in which I would definitely say that there happens to be some left wing bias. I don't think like across the board, I would never say that it's fair and balanced and completely 50-50, nor do I think it should be. When it comes to lies that Trump told about coronavirus, I mean, I was just looking things over. These are just some of them. He said that coronavirus very early on would weaken when we got into, when we get into April in the warmer weather, that was total bullshit. He said that the outbreak would be temporary. He said that if the economic shutdown continues, there will be an uptick in deaths by suicide, totally unsupported claim. This just goes on and on and on. There's like endless, I'm just looking through a list of them that the Atlantic has, all of these things. And there's far more dangerous claims than that. But really the thing that I wanna hammer the most here is that I truly do think, aside from whatever kind of consensus we have or lack of consensus we have on the nature of the media in general and its propensity to go to the left or the right or the center, it doesn't matter to me at the end of the day, what I really wanna say is that Trump is actively a threat to the spirit of the freedom of the press. And he, it's just not just that, but also just scientific facts and kind of we've seen a further diminishing as a result of him as being president of the intelligence of America and things that that's like why I said at the outset that idiotic things like QAnon are taking hold. It's very, very, very, I would say sparked by Trump himself, people kind of look to leaders and mimic them or just kind of really take to heart the things that they say and you can see his bullshit statements just being totally, QAnon sucks them up. And there are a lot of other people who aren't quite as bad as QAnon who sucks them up. So yeah, I guess I'll just leave it at that. There you go. Okay, next, let me check the list that Geek set me because he is so, so nice to me. Let me check. It is, next is going to be Drone Tech. Okay, well, there's a lot to, I've been embroiled in this stuff for a long time, there's a lot to say, but let me just say first of all, you guys are all really smart and you guys are all real respectful and I enjoyed this. The problem with this debate, it's a hard debate because a lot of it is shaped by people's perspectives and I'm just susceptible to that as anybody else. I mean, our perspectives are shaped by the media in a lot of ways. First of all, I think Trump's attacks on the media are legit. I think he does go too far sometimes, but I think that Trump himself is a result of a corrupt media that people aren't stupid. I mean, if you look at polling going back 20 years, trusted media has been dropping. The only people where it stayed pretty consistent is the Democrats. Everybody else, independence, Republicans, it's been dropping for a long time. So it's not Trump's fault. And when you say like Trump, he's exporting this, I mean, come on, I mean, they were calling Fox News fake news for eight years, phone news, remember that? That was like a big thing. So that didn't start with Trump. Trump just kind of flipped it back. Media is undoubtedly, guys, undoubtedly an extension of the Democrat party. I don't say you can deny it. I mean, you were talking about individual instances of issues, Pico, Pisco. It's not individual. There's a definite pattern. I mean, if you look at these mistakes, at least, I mean, as long as I've been paying attention, they're always, they always cut one way. They always cut against the right. And a lot of times these mistakes come about because of the preconceived notions of the people reporting. And a great example of that is the Covington kid thing. I mean, the reason the media fell for that is because it can, initially it confirmed all their biases and they fell for it. Same with the news thing. I mean, and those are just the high profile ones. Guys, I make a living off of talking about this stuff daily. Okay, so it's a daily thing. And it's a definite pattern, like I said, it's always on the right. I mean, you talk about science too, like I'm a right winger, I love science. And maybe Trump's not the best ambassador of science, but science is not the domain of the left. They don't own it, all right? The left also says that men can have babies. And I don't want to get off into the weeds of that. They can, they technically can. I'm sorry, I'm interrupting, I shouldn't do that. Yeah, sadly you cannot. Yeah, completely insane to me. But anyway, so, I mean, there's tons, we can go down the list of the things, the media is comprised of mostly Democrats. It's mostly donates to Democrats. They mostly supported Clinton. I mean, the only legitimate election is won by Democrats when you look at it. I remember, remember Bush, it was a conspiracy theory when he won, both times. And then Obama wins, all clear, then Trump wins. Oh, it's conspiracy theory. All right, so it's never legitimate. Look at the midterms. Democrats did well, the all clear was given. It's all good, that's legitimate. Oh, if Trump wins, that's not legitimate. The only legitimate scandal apparently is one involving Republicans because the media and the FBI comes out and says, oh, it's the Russians. If there's denigration that you see against Joe Biden, that's the Russians. So we're not even allowed to criticize Democrats or the media. If you criticize the media, you're attacking the media, you're attacking democracy. You know, it's just this pattern. So, I mean, I guess that's my closing argument. If you get on Twitter, someone was talking about, oh, it's not all the reporters, it's just some. Dude, guys, I follow all the reporters on Twitter. They're all left-wing activists, all of them. They all post the same stuff every day. It's always, you know, from the left attacking Republicans, putting Republicans, I mean, guys, we can go, look at interviews between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans from the mainstream media of Democrats, it's always softballs. If they get any criticism at all, it's from the left. Republicans, it's like they're hostile witnesses, you know, being interviewed by the police. So, I mean, and like I said, we could go back and forth on these examples all day, but in my mind, the media is tearing this country apart with their lies, their lies by omission, their cherry-picking of stories to report and data to present to the public. And when they talk about delegitimizing the election and that it's Trump doing that, guys, that's what they're doing. They're saying that if Trump wins, the only way he can win is if he's cheating. The media has been attacking our election institution from the beginning. They've been saying that the Russian, so all I'm saying is that by their own standards, they're the problem. And so that's my closing argument. Okay, next we're going to be throwing it over. Let me check the list. It's going to be polar. For everyone in chat, I'd like to ask one question. Everyone here as well. What is the media? Okay, is the media the millions of people that watch network TV, which is headed by Fox News? Is the media the 244.5 million Americans who listen to the radio each month? Number two, the most popular aspect of radio being news talk? Is media Facebook where conservative groups run wild? Is media YouTube where we have people like Tim Pool who griffs and spread his ideas, right? So even on this panel, we've talked about how the media is a monolith, right? The media does this, the media does that. It's a perfect like a parrot of Trump's talking points. The media is this, the media is that, but we've already come to this nuanced conclusion that, hey, the media isn't this conglomerate, right? So when we get to figures like Trump who necessarily devalue what the press is, what media is, this is a harmful aspect to our basic institutions. For example, I think Turk brought this up, but yes, sometimes science is wrong. But when you have people like Trump who purposely just ignore people in his administration that are acknowledging and telling him of what's actually going on and he chooses just to lay it off and risk almost 100,000 American lives, that's a form of misinformation and distrust that I can't accept. I think this is really harmful. He ignores it and we see it around the world at this point, right? Like exporting this to a certain extent, even if people like Obama called Fox News fake news, it's not nearly to the extent that Trump is done and we can see it spreading across the world. Honestly, and I think everyone else who here would agree is I don't want the state, President Trump or the next president to be the source of news for millions of Americans. Yes, a lot of Americans are stupid. I'm not gonna, I have to be honest. And that's probably why we shouldn't have a president who spreads misinformation and risks potentially millions of lives. Hey, next I am going to throw it over to Brenton. Hey guys, thank you very much. And thank you, by the way, for correcting me on the Eugene Debs. It was 6%, I looked that up. Still, that's a ridiculously huge percentage. That's more than Gary Johnson got in the last vote and that was with two historically unlike candidates going up against him. So a huge advantage for third parties there, 910,000 people voted for him. So my point is that it was sizeable but I'm sorry I got the actual numbers wrong. Now, as far as the media itself, I think it's absolutely ridiculous to say that conservative, that it has a liberal bias. Fox News is still the media, most watched network. Tucker Carlson is the most watched cable news show of all time. So to say that the media has this left wing bias is to ignore literally 100% of the right wing sources. And finally, I think what I'll just end with is I wanted to say how ridiculous it is to accuse the people on the left here, including myself of not holding the liberal media to account when they lie. I began this stream by talking about Michael Bloomberg, the liberal candidate for president. Like one of the liberal candidates for president this last time around getting the okay from the head of the New York Times that he would take his side no matter what when he raided Zikati Park. And again, we had, I believe it was Chris Matthews freaking out that he was going to be beheaded by Bernie Sanders. So objectively, like the media has a number of biases and oftentimes reporters are trying to sell you a specific narrative for any number of reasons. But the idea that this is a left wing narrative and must be countered by right wing bias is just a piece of propaganda that the right wingers use to get people to ignore sources that don't agree with them and accept sources that already agree with them. I said earlier that projection is a product of a fascist mindset. And that's what I'm hearing when I hear accusations that we have not held the liberal media to task. We absolutely have. But you noticed here that the conservatives would not hold the conservative media to task. Would not hold Donald Trump to task. None of them could answer that. I'm speaking out, you get to speak later. Anyway, in summation, I think that the media is absolutely biased, but it is biased in many different ways. And as far as like major mainstream media goes, it is biased towards the particular opinions and bottom lines of its editorial board, its CEOs and its shareholders. And this is a problem and why we should not have for-profit media at all. Hey, let me check the list to see who's next. Next, it would be IPA. This will be your, not only your ending statement, but also your time to drop all your links and profile because the beast has arrived per se. Yes, I will exit and leave you guys to, or leave you all to a much more charismatic and funny person who has a way sexier voice than I do, PS. That, we were talking, there's like, you're breaking up there again. Once again, your mic is, you know what, Clintons have gotten involved. That's what's going on. But IPA. It's generally boomer energy. It's the media. It's, you know what it is. It's Comcast who controls all of our internet, right? But the media has a responsibility to act as a watchdog. I have 100% agree with that notion. It's important to not only the American people, but just the country in general in politics, right? That responsibility should be to call out when there are untruths or mistruths or anything like that. It should not be, however, to just counteract. It's not a scale, right? It's not say, oh, Trump said something really idiotic. Let's say something else to counteract that, right? It should be to correct and tell the truth. Is there a liberal bias in the media right now? I don't know, because there's also a Republican bias as a lot of people have pointed out, right? Is the liberal bias maybe a little bit louder these days? Yeah, probably, because again, they're trying to just counterbalance that weight, right? Of all of the, frankly, asinine things that Trump has said. Can we really eliminate that bias ever? No, especially when eight companies control all of the media in this country. Well, again, like the mainstream media, the traditional media sources? No, absolutely not. PSI was wrong about the Fox News thing. The Fox News Corporation formed after Disney acquired Fox itself. It kind of broke off from it. So I stand corrected on that. And no, I don't think any of this bias is really as nefarious as some people are suggesting to say, oh, they're covering up white desks. No, they're just telling stories that get people to tune in, to watch their ads, to click on their links. And that's where the money goes, right? So yeah, does it exist? Yes, is it maybe a little louder from the left? Yes, but it exists on both sides. Okay, would you like to shout yourself out before you head up? Yeah, Dylan, I appreciate having me on again. This is the second time, what this week that I've been in here. So I appreciate that. If you want to hear more of my rambling nonsense, you can find me over at twitch.tv slash IPA underscore a lot, because I do Mondays. I do D&D with a couple other Twitch politics streamers here. Sushi, Tiberius, Endernax, RGB, and Spectrocynicalism. Wednesdays, my wife and I do marriage and family stuff. We talk about our relationship, raising kids. We do, you know, like AMA relationship advice. I would like to, if anyone out there wants to do this, I would love to rate people's dating apps or profiles. We were talking about the victory parade at a fake one the other week, just because we were kind of examining the questions and do they attract the kind of people that you're trying to attract? Or are you answering the questions in a way that work like that? I would love to do that. Everyone wants to volunteer to do that with me on stream. I would love to send you a message, so. Yeah, thanks again. I might have to join in for that D&D, bro. Right on. Thank you for stopping by. I appreciate you coming in last second to save the show. And now we have Wake the Beast, who has made an entrance. We're about to start the next topic, Wake. Would you like to do a quick intro before we go into the next topic? Certainly. And again, Dylan, thank you very much for your invitation and for your patience in waiting for me to arrive. What I would like to say is, historically you could say that America itself is a little left leaning. Let's not forget that this is a country that was founded on the flames of rebellion. We stood up to King George and said these states ought to be free, or at least that's what Henry Lee said. I motion that these states be free. By doing this, he was committing high treason, which made him liable to be hanged. And can you imagine what would have happened if no one else seconded that motion and it was just Henry Lee by himself committing that act of sedition against his king? But of course, other people did second him. But I think that today, it's a little oversimplifying to say that the media is left leaning. Personally, I don't think that left and right do much to distinguish individuals, but it is a lot more effective to think of people as advocates of their various theoretical sociological viewpoints, okay? And one of the most popular ones is the conflict perspective. This is the outlook of those who feel that the world is divided up into groups of people who are in competition over limited resources and power. This is how they see the world. And I think that if there is a bias or an audience that the media plays to, it's these individuals. Because everything the media says tends to be us versus them. If someone else is winning, it's at your expense. If you're losing, it's because of someone else's actions. And these individuals who may not necessarily be left leaning, some of them can be conservative, but if they have the conflict perspective, they're going to latch on to this. They're gonna go out into the media, excuse me, into the public and repeat these ideas, which essentially equates to free advertising for the advertisers who advertise on those stations. That's my take on it. Wonderful. I'm happy to have you on, you like. Before we move on, can I just, I'm sorry, you can go ahead and say what you want, but I was just hoping that I could interject something that I was going to say at the top because I wanted to sort of do a little shout to wake the beast now that he's here. Okay, you wanna, okay, call him out. What are you, what are you? I just wanted to say Mr. Beast, or what do you prefer being called? Whatever you call me, I'm the same person, but some people call me wake, some people call me beast. Okay, okay, well Mr. Beast, last week I believe that you told my friend Jengles that he has the soul of a cat. And I just wanna say, I think you blew your metaphor a lot, a little prematurely. I do indeed have the soul of a cat. And we are a fierce, but noble race. And my cat soul indeed carries the DNA of my ancient ancestors, like the Sabertooth Tiger, the Smilodon Populator, the Gargantuan feline to ever roam the earth. Look it up on Google, it's pretty cool. So I just don't want any besmirching of cats here tonight or I don't know, I'll eat you like a tasty manwidge. So that being said. Just to correct you, it wasn't last week and your friend and yourself don't have the soul of a cat. You have the heart of a cat. Okay, yeah. Well, yes, yes. By the way, since I got new like early on, did I do another introduction? Is fierce and strong. I do wanna, another, what do you mean for what? Just a quick introduction, since mine didn't get read and then you guys never came back to me. Did you not do an outro? I did an outro, but no, like at the beginning when like we were introducing ourselves. I remember my mic wasn't working right and people couldn't hear like my background or who I was. I'm sure, I do wanna say though that the more interruptions we have, the least likely we're gonna be able to get to the third topic. Okay, I'll go very, very quickly. Okay. So for those of you who do not know me and are wondering who this guy is, my name is Brenton Lengel. I do a lot of debates on modern day debate. I am a playwright, poet, Appalachian Trail 2000 Myler and I'm the author of Snow White Zombie Apocalypse, which has been nominated for two Ringo Awards. Check out my YouTube channel where I talk about philosophy, anarchism, Buddhism, politics, religion, all that wonderful stuff. I think you did intro that. Yeah, you talked about how your comic book author and that you're now shipping out and yeah. Okay, I think that's my mistake then. I think that's my last line, you didn't get in, but anyway. Oh, I see, I didn't know how much had been cut out, I apologize. Okay, well, I didn't catch the title of the book, I'm sorry. And Dylan, I'm good to go whenever I see you. Just so you know.