 So we watched some more anime. We're going to talk about this anime now. I want to preface this by saying something very important. Ghost of the Shell standalone complex, first and second gig are some of our favorite anime ever. Like it's a class anime. The kind of show also goes to the show, the original movie. Also a plus anime and the original manga a plus. Yep. But like standalone complex is the kind of thing where like when I was doing a little bit of research where we did this show, I pulled up a clip last night of a random scene from second gig and it was real hard to not just start watching all of second gig again. So I'd gotten excited a while ago when I found out that there was going to be more Ghost in the Shell standalone complex, a little bit of a Homer Simpson with the Frogger situation. Yeah, I didn't finish watching all of the Arise. No one did because it was boring and wasn't going anywhere. I think we only watched one episode. I watched a bunch more and I kept stopping because I kept forgetting to watch more because it didn't leave any impression on me at all. I think we watched one episode in the theater. Yep, we did. And then I don't think I've watched it anymore since even though it seems to all be on Netflix. So I've watched all of it and I've seen some of the episodes more than once. I am at a loss to remember enough to even tell you what happened in it. That is how forgettable it was. I can't remember anything. Standalone complex was the good one. So I got excited that there was going to be more standalone complex because it was announced like a while ago, like a long time ago, years ago. But then I forgot about it. I just forgot that was the thing. I just slipped my mind, didn't think about it. And then one day, Anna Twitter was making fun of a naked backwards flipping guy and they said something ghost in the Shell. And then I discovered that not only had it come out but it's bad or at least people were saying it was bad. Everyone said it's a new ghost in the Shell. It's all CG. It's on Netflix. And they were saying it's way, way bad. And I was like, oh, OK, I guess I'll avoid that then because there hasn't been, ghost in the Shell isn't something where it's guaranteed to be good. I mean, the majority of the ghost in the Shell content that exists in the universe is not great. If you look at all of it. It's like it's pretty much like the original movie, the original manga, Get Sack 1, Get Sack 2. Innocence, the movie. I like Innocence, but it's got problems. Like it's not a great movie, but I really enjoy it. And then there's Man Machine Interface, which would come next, I guess, in the rankings and that's even more. But I figured reviewing this would be good one because I want to give it a chance to see if the story, the plot, like anything can get through the fact that it looks worse than PUBG. Right. It's like what we've been every, I sort of realized, like, hey, all the only things we talk about in Geek Nights are things we watch or play or whatever. And it's always stuff that we've, you know, we've judged it beforehand and it's usually going to be good. It has a good chance of being good before we go for it. So it's pretty rare that we watch something that's bad. I said, you know what, everyone says this is bad, but, you know, let's, right, A, verify and B, even if it turns out that it's bad. It's like, well, we can at least do a Geek Nights on something that's bad and not always something that's good. We made a pact that we would watch two episodes and no more. And if either one of us felt the urge to watch the third episode, we would tell the other one in advance, I know that I did not at any point tell you to watch episode three and I did not receive a message from you telling me to watch episode three. Well, I didn't, I didn't remember it till today. So I watched the first episode earlier today and the second one just before the show. Yep. So even if I wanted to watch three, I didn't have time. So on one hand, the animation, like it just, this show looks like, I'd say a cut scene from a video game, but it's worse than that. It looks like a cut scene from one generation ago video game. Yeah, I think the biggest problem in the animation is that it's not low quality, right? It's like, you can take certain stills and say, wow, look at that, it's pretty good CG. Yeah. Okay, right. It's that the way the characters move, combined with the cel shading on the characters, contrasted with this extremely highly detailed background. Oh my God, like in Aramaki's office, the wooden door has the worst. The worst part is Aramaki's office. That exquisite door, that door looks photo realistic. And then there's this, that was the scene where I noticed the CG being the worst was Aramaki standing around. Yep. And then, well, Aramaki looks like weird, like Aramaki looks worse than any other character. Oh yeah, he's bad. Like his hair is the weirdest. His hair is weird, like he's outlined wrong. And like, it's almost like there's a different shade around him from everyone else in the show. But anyway, the other thing is that, unlike, say, Beastar, which has minimal action scenes, that are done in a different kind of way, as to not actually show most of the action explicitly. Yeah. This Ghost in the Shell, at least, focuses more on action scenes. Even though Ghost in the Shell usually is mostly talking heads with one action scene, this focuses a lot on action scenes, military, paramilitary combat. And those parts are weird, too. But the action scenes, they're weird for a bunch of reasons. Like, I got a lot to say about the show, the more I think about it. But the point is the contrast with the moving parts against the non-moving background makes it look way, it ends up being one of the weird CG's and not one of the good CG's. Like, honestly? Like, say, a Dragon Prince or a Beastar. Yeah, well, like Dragon Prince, I was going to bring up myself, too, because Dragon Prince had some awkward animation. But the characters, the story, everything else made it very easy for me to see past that and enjoy the show. This, there's nothing to see. Like, the characters don't even feel like the Ghost in the Shell characters. The dialogue is stilted and, like, really prosaic. Like, the characters don't say anything interesting to each other really ever. The setting is vague, unrealistic, and also almost a betrayal of, like, the arc of Ghost in the Shell up to this point. Like, you look at where standalone complex second gig ended, this show is almost like a reversion. Like, they step back into, well, Section Non got disbanded again. Now we're going to reform it again. Vague political plot again. But it's a slightly different political plot that has way less nuance. Yeah, I think, you know, so plot-wise, right, it's something about the world is now in perpetual war and there's one percenters, but there's an evil good one percenter. There's funding. It's Mad Max World now because of economic warfare. You get this, the show starts with just this long narration of, here is the state of the world. It doesn't even feel like Ghost in the Shell anymore. I think that's part of the, that's a huge part of the problem because Ghost in the Shell has never, like, doesn't usually explicitly tell you all how, like, the world is structured. It's all incidental storytelling. Like, they don't tell you, oh, Section 9 does this because Section 8 does this and Section 7 does this. And, you know, the kind of stuff that nerds love that I hate, that, like, that world building for no purpose other than world building, Ghost in the Shell will just be like, you're running into section, public security Section 6 because reasons and their deal is not fully explained because it doesn't matter. Right, they don't explain how the world is structured or how the economy is doing or any of the big picture, right, you're seeing in Ghost in the Shell, you're all, you're seeing, you know, Section 9 plays this small role in this, on these, you know, the, what's, you know, their mission, right, that they're on. They're basically the, yeah, there's a terrorist, yeah, there's a terrorist here doing this. You got to stop them. It's obviously in the interest of whoever's commanding them. And it's always a mystery who's commanding them, that the, the surroundings of like, why is this guy doing this? Why are they bad? Why did they, why did Ghost, why did, you know, Section 9's bosses want this done, right? You know, the opposition they meet, what are their motivations, who are their bosses and what is their bigger picture? You don't see any of that directly. It's always indirect inference, figuring it out. Maybe you never find out at all. That's how Ghost in the Shell is always- Point of view of soldiers, I would almost say professionals but professionals in the Master Keaton way who have basically given up any semblance of a life to live this life, but you see it from their perspective of you got your marching orders, go do the thing. Right. And here by explicitly in some detail, not perfect detail, but in some detail, like explaining the state the world is in and focusing on that, it's sort of like meh. It like ruins that whole aspect. And it keeps like reminding you like, oh well the setting is like this for these reasons. You know what it feels like? Watching this feels like reading the Wikipedia page about this show. Right. So normally when you're watching it or reading the Wikipedia is the same. Right. So when I watch a Ghost in the Shell, the reason I like it is because A, you care about the characters, right? B, care about the characters are doing, right? C, there's some usually something going on that's always asking, it's constantly asking you all sort of like transhumanist cyber punk kind of questions, right? And scenarios and morals, right along, right? So it's like, okay, you know, they got orders to go stop this hacking guy. But what's that hacking guy about? Oh, he's doing this thing. And that guy is, you know, there's some moral, cyber moral related to what that guy's up to that they're after, right? And this one's gonna have that same plot it feels like from like what I read of spoilers after I watched the first two episodes, but it just, it feels like someone barfing out a list of spoilers or like a comic book that someone would read literally just to find out what happened to Spider-Man, but they don't care about the artistry of it. Yeah, so another thing, right? It's a ghost in the shell and most of its iterations that I can think of has a somewhat consistent mood to it where it's sort of like dark, eerie, cyber punk-y. Often very zoomed in action scenes tend to be very sharp and punctuating surrounded by long silences and tension. This one's just like literally watching a PUBG match. Very surreal. Yeah. I think about the episode where there's like a brain that they find at a bazaar that the... Yeah, and they like jacking into it to see what's going on in there. And it's like a weird kind of, you know... Or the one where it gets into the major's past with her hallucinations. Right, exactly, the same kind of deals, right? Or, you know, the one where it was like Bato goes to a dojo or something. The best, my favorite episode... Or a mocking with the wine cellar one. In all of standalone complex is still the one where you find out where Saito, the sniper, like how he joined the major. The point is, is you get... Those are A, character episodes, right? Which are not getting anything out of here. B, they actually show it, they don't just tell you. Right, but they have this mood to them, right? All of Ghost in the Shell has this same mood. And Ghost in the Shell was a 2045, right? That mood is just completely obliterated in the opener with its weird ass song. Oh my God. Now, I was almost okay with that opener because... It's an okay song, it just does not fit Ghost in the Shell. Yeah, I could see it fitting if the show were better in the sense that this is the... Like, this would be the standalone complex, like third gig, where it gets into the fact that really, Section 9 just does what money wants it to do. Like, you could see there's a direction you could go with that, but I don't think that's the direction the show's going. Also, you didn't watch Westworld. The opening is like almost identical to the Westworld opening, but Westworld is very, like, serious, like, music buildup. And this one is more, this one is more like... Westworld, Yule Brenner. I don't know any other Westworlds. Yeah, you haven't seen the new Westworld at all. Does it have Yule Brenner in it? Actually, yes. There is a Yule Brenner cameo in the new Westworld. But he died before they made the new Westworld. Yeah, but the new Westworld is about the same thing as the old Westworld, and at one point they go into this, like, warehouse of a bunch of old, like, previous generation Westworld stuff, and there's a Yule Brenner to stand in there right in the front. Okay, I'll watch that episode. Yeah, you can find a clip of it on YouTube, search for, like, Yule Brenner, new Westworld, and you'll see him there. Okay. Yeah, but the opener reminds me of the Westworld opener, and Westworld deals with a lot of these same transhumanist themes. But I don't think the money makes the world go around song is like this subversion of you thought the standalone complex and, like, section nine, we're doing these noble things, but really they just do what money and government, like, I don't feel like that subversion is there. I don't feel like the show is doing that on purpose. All of the cyberpunk stuff has basically been removed, right? It is in the rest of the show. The rest of the show is about these posthumans are trying to get rid of the regular humans and all sorts of stuff. Oh, okay, maybe, but regardless, it's like you're just watching, at least in the first two episodes, what is otherwise just, you know, like a mission impossible kind of deal, right? Like, team of people have to go out and do a military thing. All right, so let's talk about that. So let's say. And there's no, you know, it's like, yeah, the weapons they're using, it's like, oh, they hack someone's brain and they have, there's a crazy drone with AI, but there's no, that doesn't play into the moral or the plot. It just plays into the action on screen. But also the action on the screen, like, wait, I could see if the show was doing that sort of subversive twist on Ghost in the Shell. And then you get these scenes where like, it's heavy action, like they're just mercenaries now because the plot of episode one is they literally are just mercenaries working in like America in Palm Springs, just in a Mad Max apocalypse, just like. I think here's the best way to describe it, right? So here in 2045, we see them using Tachikomas. Which we also see them doing in standalone complex, right? But in standalone complex, they're not just using the Tachikomas in battle. There is a major plot line, perhaps the most major plot line. It shows about the Tachikomas in their AI and what the deal is, right? And this show is not in any way about that. It might get that way later, but I don't think it's gonna do it in a satisfying way. But the Tachikomas also, even action scenes would have little like things the Tachikomas did that continued to tell that story of what's up with the Tachikomas. Like they would make a decision that people were surprised by, but then that like, they wouldn't focus on that as the plot, but that sort of incidental storytelling would build up to the climax of the show in these transhumanist ideas. The show just does not feel like it's going there. Right here, the Tachikomas are literally just talking weapons. They're not doing anything. They're not characters. But even if, let's say this was all on purpose, the action scenes themselves are also really badly done. Like the fight choreography doesn't make any goddamn sense at all. Like these cars are driving behind them, shooting at them for like five minutes while they talk and yet not a single bullet even comes near anybody. Like it doesn't even make sense from the perspective of an action scene. Yeah, no, a lot of this stuff doesn't make sense. But it seems like someone just came up with scenes they wanted to see. Oh, we want to see her go into the sky and grab a drone, right? And it's like, okay. And then they found a way to make it happen. Yeah, but the characters also don't really feel like the characters you know from Ghost in the Shell. Like they have the same voice actors and nominally the same characters. But their dialogue is bad. The dialogue is so like clipped and prosaic. Like the conversations they have, you could swap which character says which line and it really wouldn't matter for the most part. The character with the most character is actually the new guy, the clown. Clown. Who you know is probably just gonna like is a trainer or is gonna get killed or something. Something's up. Yeah, something's up with that new guy. But they actually, even though the new guy's character is very flimsy, he's basically guy who has some skills but way less skills, way less experience, way less discipline and sort of silly, right? Likes to act up and get out of line. Like, you know, it's pretty stereotypical for a new guy on a team, right? In any sort of team-based action kind of thing. But that paper thin personality he has is more than the other characters have, which is zero. Yeah, but like the things the characters say often- All their personality from the previous shows has been removed. Like they don't make sense. Like Vato acting like they're actually going to drink this beer in a party when really they're on the way to remission. Like the dialogue didn't really make sense. I felt like they were just filling time and like, God, I have the characters talk before the fight scene. But they also subverted some of the characters. Like Togasa is now like divorced. Like they've just changed whole cloth, how some of the characters exist in the universe. Right, and it's like that's the kind of thing where- Like the whole point of that character was that he's the only one who's holding on to a normal life outside of this paramilitary life. Like that was an arc across multiple seasons and both movies. Right, and that was like a constant, that was like a thing that made his, him like have a deal, right? Is like, this guy actually has like a family and a life. Every single other person is completely alone in the world. Yep. Right, they have no family. They have no friends you ever see. Like they throw themselves into their work because there's nothing else to share with them. No connections, right? No nothing, right? Togasa has this family, this wife and kid, right? And it's like, and he's involved. He's the only one involved who knows anyone else and he's also mostly human, right? And almost entirely human, right? And it sets him apart, but yet you still see him doing the job and he's awesome. And that's like his whole reason for being there, right? Is to make that connection. I do want to say, I feel like Paz and Borma do both have lives outside, but they keep it secretive. Like, because the show really focuses on the major and Bato and like a really limited set of the characters. Well, you see like in standalone complex, I just mentioned, right? It was, you know, those episodes, you know, Bato and the dojo and, you know, Aramaki and the wine cellar, right? Do show they have some outside connections to some people, right? Professional. The people who really don't are like the major. Yeah, the major doesn't know anybody. Yeah. But anyway, the point is, is that's what that character is about. So by removing that, it's like, oh, what's Togasa about now, right? Well, the only thing he's about now is being mostly human, I guess, but they don't even bring that up. Yeah. And they've removed all cyberpunk moral storytelling. So that doesn't matter anymore. Yep. But then what really rankled me, the push me over the line of not caring about the show was when the plot in the second episode, it gets revealed that Aramaki is reforming section nine. That is literally how like second gig starts. That's how almost every ghost in the shell starts. Either they're forming section nine or they're reforming section nine. And it's so the way the reforming is just like, well, the prime minister wants us to reform it. Okay. Yep. And it's like, you didn't have any, like, better ways to do it. And then they explain that plot about how the prime minister's actually an American who's gonna just be a puppet of American interests. Like it says out loud the things that, one, don't fucking matter to a show like this. And two, in a good ghost in the shell, you figure that out if you care in the background, but it doesn't matter. If it matters. And but even then, even if it doesn't, if it matters, you still don't need to figure it out to understand the rest of the show. Right. Because a good ghost in the shell is the type of anime where they're, you know, trying to catch like a hacker in a random neighborhood who's right and they hacked into, I guess I remember some ghosts in the shell scenes they're like hacking the garbage men or something. Right. Something like that. And on a TV that the garbage man is watching, it says new prime minister elected first, American new American prime minister of Japan. And then it cuts away because you're actually focusing on the garbage man's conversation. Yeah. But then five episodes later, that prime minister like suddenly it's like, Oh, the prime minister cut our funding and they're like, what? Shit. Oh no. Yeah. The prime minister like makes an announcement, something, something. And then that's all you see. Right. You don't. But then the final, final line was the closer. Why can't the show look like that? The closing. I did note it. Looks great. I wasn't going to say as bad as the opener is with its song that doesn't fit. That's not a bad song. This is a non-fitting song. Yeah. When the closer started, I was like, Oh, this closer seems like is a completely normal closer. That belongs on a ghost in the show. It felt like ghosts in the show closer. And also the animation looked good. The character designs look good. I mean, there are parts of the animation that look good. But yeah. Well, like, but like the thing that looked good in the fight scene was that robot dog. But they set up that robot dog like, Oh, what's that kind of robot? I don't know. That was the weirdest bad check-offs dog. Yeah. But they did like that scene and a different ghost in the shell would have had an appropriate amount of menace. Like, we don't know what that box is. We got to worry about it. And when the box does its thing, it's gonna be something fucking insane. But in this, it's like, Oh, it's just a guard dog. And how did they defeat it? They just shot it. Yeah. I mean, it was strange to me. It's like the power level of the characters seems to, it was like, It was all over the place. It's like in, you know, it's like the major in the original ghost in the shell movie, like ripped the tank apart, right? With their hands. So it damaged her too, right? But the, you know, they're really fucking strong. So it's like, even that dog and the drone that they try to make scary, it's like, why were those scary? It's like the major like, should have just like been like, Oh, it's a little robot dog, whatever. Like they could have shot it immediately, but they don't, it causes a bunch of problems. And then like 10 minutes later in the episode, or I think the next episode, they just shoot it. Like they could have done that. It's not scary for them at all. I don't know why they acted scared of it and that they tried to present it as being dangerous, but it wasn't for them. And the drone could have been scary, but it's like, no, why did the majors hack the drone to bring it down? She's good enough. It's like, They, they landscaped that by saying that the drone was running autonomous. Sure. It was still strange. Yeah. It's just the show. Also, that also gives you another point, right? It's like, all right. So the major does some crazy action scene stuff and gets up there to the drone, right? Okay, the drone is not having any networking. It's running autonomously, right? Something like that. Yep. Instead of little complex, she would like plug into it. She would have plugged into that shit and been and hacked in. He'd be like, who's controlling this drone? Who programmed it, right? Yep. And then it would have cut to like an evil guy, like pulling the drone explodes. There's an AI, someone has actually been trapped in this drone. Who is it? Right? The AI who's trapped wants to get the message out and tells the major something that we don't get to see and then that comes up five episodes later. Right, you know, something like that as opposed to, all right, she drags us to the ground and destroyed it. Yeah. Mostly. Oh, but it's still got a missile off, which I guess we was trying to do all along. So I still don't understand what all these PUBG, like Fortnite looking kids are doing in the show in the first place. Yeah. Anyway. But one thing, I was watching with Emily and she pointed out that the character designs looked like this one designer. And it was Iliai Kushinoff. And those character designs look great, except in the actual show, like in the closer or on like that designer's Instagram, they look great. It's just in the show. They're animated in this kind of weird, ugly, one generation ago video game way. So I also want to talk about, right? So we talk about almost all the characters except for Ishikawa, right? Who's basically always been like the hacking dude. Yeah. He just sits in the base hacking. Right. He does. He does some other stuff. He does some action also. But you know, it's like, you know, his main plots are like, aha, I've hacked all the brains of the old dudes in the Pachinko parlor to power up my computer, right? So he doesn't do any of that. He's basically drives and shoots a machine gun and doesn't do anything else. What about Saito? The second best sniper in the history of the world. At least he's still sniper guy. Yeah. But he also, like, it doesn't really solve their problem. When in regular Ghost in the Shell, when Saito gets out his gun, the whole point of the show is that solves the problem. He doesn't miss. Yeah. I think he missed actually. I think he did miss. He was, he was like, ah, he tried to shoot the drone and missed. It's like, it was missed. Well, cause it like, it hacked him and saw his satellite feed. And the show just doesn't feel like Ghost in the Shell at all. Yeah, no. Anyway, so even though the show is not good, it is far away from good, right? I do want to say it is not the worst. Oh, I've seen worse. I've seen far worse. I've seen a lot worse. So I think what you're seeing, I think the reaction to the show, saying how bad it is, is not incorrect. It is bad. Well, cause we're comparing it to what the Ghost in the Shell we like. Exactly. I think this is a situation much like Death Note, where if you haven't read or watched any Death Note, right? Death Note has two phases. There is the beginning, like most of Death Note is about this battle between these two characters. That battle reaches its climax and conclusion. And then some new characters come in and continue the battle, right? And then that, and then the, when that battle ends, the story ends. And when that second battle begins, right? People who are fans of Death Note like that a lot less. They thought that like, they were like, oh, it turned to garbage, right? It's like, oh, it sucks now. Only that first battle is good. But the second part wasn't bad. It just wasn't as good. The second part wasn't bad. It just wasn't as good and didn't include characters that you'd already grown close to and loved, right? So it felt the relational feelings, right? Made it seem awful because it's like one second, you're eating the best steak on earth. And the next second, you're eating serviceable steak. So it tastes awful, but relatively speaking, right? Whereas if I had just given you serviceable steak, you would have said, that's pretty good, right? But because you were just eating delicious, amazing steak, the second one was meh, right? The problem is I feel like anyone who has not already seen all the other ghosts in the show wouldn't have anything to even hook them on this show at all. They'd watch the first episode and go, what the fuck was this? I would be very interested to see what someone who doesn't know anything about ghosts in the show would think of the show because I think the problem would be, why would you care at all? Yup. And because the characters are so- Because it doesn't have the character, right? It's like not having the character stuff at all. At least somebody who's seen other ghosts in the shells might care about the characters because they already care about them because they watched a good show. But then they're mad because these characters don't live up to those characters. Right, exactly. But if you have not seen anything at all, why do you care at all? You weren't made to care to start with. Yup. Where you see something like, if you read, you know who's really always really good at this is what's it called? Noki Urasawa, right? Nah. You read a Noki Urasawa manga and they'll be like a character who's there for one chapter, right? Like, you read a chapter. Yup, you're looking at, starting the chapter like, who's this guy? End of the chapter, you're literally crying. Master Keaton meets someone at the beginning of this chapter and they're dead at the end and you just met them and they only exist for 20 pages. And he made you care about them in 20 pages, right? It's like, you might even cry over that person. Ghost in the Shell. I'm thinking about a specific Pluto thing that happens. Right, it's like Ghost in the Shell. I've seen two movies and two TV series and two mangas and you can't make me, you've made me un-care about the characters. Yup. So don't recommend actually watching this one really, like... No, I just, all I'm saying is like, it's not a zero. It's like a... Well, because a zero is like Legend of Lendmere. Right, it's not trash. It's just meh, it's below meh. Yeah. It's more like, it's like, it's fart noise but poop doesn't come out. Yup, like, you won't, you know, you're not forced to flee the room, but... It's sad trombone. Yeah, which is such a shame, but on the other hand, it reminded me that I could just watch standalone complex again. I forgot most of it, let's go. Yeah, I watch it. I remember the big parts. I just don't remember any of the details because it's been how many years? Yup. So yeah, that was our review. I'm curious to see what any of you think if you've even watched this. Because remember... In the future, if there is even bad stuff, right? Don't, if people are saying something's bad, don't subject yourself to it. We will do that service for you and then add our opinion to the pile of everyone else's opinion. I think we'll only do that though if it's plausible that thing could be good. Things that are like bad, like things that in Judge Anime by its cover, we would just say as bad outright. We're not gonna bother doing this with. Yeah, we'll see. But yeah, I don't wanna just always have Geek Nights V. We watched, played, read a good thing and then told you about it and we knew it was good before we started. We gotta go into some uncharted or questionable, go past some warning signs into dangerous territories to report our findings and do some reconnaissance. Yeah, we used to do a lot more bad reviews, especially of anime and video games and board games. Part of the reason why we avoid bad reviews of board games is that most board games are bad, like most things are bad and we just don't even bother playing bad board games. Like we don't even have anything to say about them usually. It takes such a time investment, I think. It took me less than an hour to watch these two episodes, right? What would the time invest? But to play a bad board game enough to be able to properly critique why it's bad, that would take like eight hours of work and that is not worth it for a bad board game. Not worth it. This has been Geek Nights with Rym and Scott. Special thanks to DJ Pretzel for the opening music, Kat Lee for web design, and Brando K for the logos. Be sure to visit our website at frontrowcrew.com for show notes, discussion news, and more. Remember, Geek Nights is not one but four different shows, Sci-Tech Mondays, Gaming Tuesdays, Anime Comic Wednesdays, and Indiscriminate Thursdays. Geek Nights is distributed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 license. Geek Nights is recorded live with no studio and no audience. But unlike those other late shows, it's actually recorded at night. 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