 Welcome. I am so glad you're all here joining us for this really special webinar tonight. This is partnering with Latino audiences for the Eclipse and Beyond, and I'm going to do some introductions and we'll get started with our amazing panel lineup. Let me first just kind of tell you a little bit about why we're doing this. The Astronomical Society of the Pacific received a grant from the American Astronomical Society. It's a mini grant in honor of Juliana Steinheider Duncombe. She was this incredible astronomer and educator who started the US's first school lunch program to make sure that every child could come to school ready to learn and with a full belly. So she was a real social justice pioneer and this mini grant was in her honor. So we're thrilled to be one of the 31 institutions that received one of these grants and the grant name is the Astronomy Clubs Preparing Latino Audiences for the Eclipse. They're designed specifically to reach out to audiences that may not have been reached out to before. So you can look, there's a link here if you just go to bit.ly slash Spanish Eclipse that has all the information about the program on it and links to the actual WAS site with even more information. Great. So what our mini grant did was to partner with the NIES network of museums who generously offered their Spanish language eclipse materials to us and this gave us the opportunity to supply banners and handouts and flyers and eclipse glasses both in Spanish and in English to clubs that volunteered to get the word out to their local Latino and Spanish speaking audiences about the eclipse. So here I've got the 22 Night Sky Network Astronomy Clubs who received the materials in Spanish and English. I imagine we have a lot of you on here today. If you want to come and say hi and represent your club, feel free to put that in the chat window. So also anyone can access these materials online. They are freely available. You can print them yourselves at the same web URL. I listed it again here at the bottom and this webinar is a part of that grant and it serves to prepare clubs to do great outreach for the eclipse and beyond and it's going to be archived on the Night Sky Network if you want to reach that later or if you want to share it with other people who might not have made it tonight. Today's panel is not actually going to focus on specific eclipse activities but it's going to focus on clubs forming relationships with your local Latino communities around astronomy outreach. You can find links to any kind of specific activities in both Spanish and English on that URL so if you want to look up the yardstick eclipse and have a Spanish description of that we have that as well. So I think first I would like to do a quick poll to see what kind of experience the people who are on this call already have with doing specifically reaching out to their Latino audiences in their local city. So Brian could you start the first poll for me? Excellent. So go with there for a second. Go ahead. Okay great. Go ahead and just put on there how often you do work specifically with Latino audiences and I wanted to also give a shout out tonight. We have some of our astronomy ambassadors from the double AS and park rangers as well joining us tonight. So not just amateur astronomy clubs we have a good mix of people. Hi to Mike, hi to Andy. Great to see you there. Okay we'll leave that poll open for just a second while I talk about why we're here at all. So it's really this is a quote here from Dr. Frida Kapoor Klein. She is one of the co-founders of the level playing field Institute here in Oakland and it's Hispanic and Latino representation in the STEM community that science technology engineering and math in the workforce is really disproportionately low. You'll see from the bars on the right hand side to see what a low percentage that is currently and astronomy space astronomy and space science in particular are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to diversity in STEM fields. I was really really bummed to see that when I was doing research and you know as well as I do that's not because space science is more interesting to white or Asian people. This is you know space sparks our imagination of almost everyone you meet. So there are a whole lot of factors at play here but one part of this issue that we can address as amateur astronomers and astronomy people doing astronomy outreach is access right. So here is where we're going to be able to come and hopefully make a little bit of a difference. The amateur astronomy club members and other science communicators can come in here excuse me. So let's take a look at the results from that poll Brian can you bring that up? Great so yeah some people have done this once or twice a few never and a couple all the time or many times. So if you close that down Brian I think that will help with the slides progressing. Okay great thanks. Alright so excellent so there are a lot of people here have had some outreach experience with Latino audiences and we're going to talk a little bit about well actually let's do one more poll. Let's see who's on the webinar today and how we identify ourselves. This is completely anonymous. I should mention too that you can put questions in the Q&A section completely anonymously as well if you have questions you feel embarrassed to ask or just want to say without your name attached feel free to put those in there. I want to talk a little bit about astronomy clubs as you know in this country there's a huge Hispanic population but astronomy clubs as a whole don't have a lot of Latino members so reaching out to you directly to your local Latino audiences can provide opportunities to these communities that might not otherwise get a chance to maybe look through a telescope or touch a meteorite and it's going to have broader effects as well it's going to breathe new life into our graying astronomy clubs hopefully and larger than that it's going to eventually help change those numbers we were just looking at this we're absolutely not the first people to address this issue and this webinar isn't going to solve all of the larger issues in our society but I really believe that this is an important conversation to have and I am so excited to be having it with you today okay let's see the poll results Brian if you would open that one up all right yeah so a lot of these results are similar to what we would find in an astronomy club in most places in the country so I want to invite those of you who have experience in reaching out to Latino communities to chime in through the chat and especially those of you who identify as Hispanic or Latino we are eager to hear from you and hear about your experiences because we recognize that the Latino community is really diverse and it's going to have many voices and perspectives so please feel free to chime in here and now what do you do when you have questions about the best ways to reach out to a new group well you ask the experts and that's who we brought on here so if you aren't already sharing your screen I just want to encourage you to share your screen these four generous panelists have stepped up to help guide us as we do this work together first I want to introduce Dr. Isabel Hawkins who is one of my heroes she has worked in astronomy and education research for more than 20 years she has a passion for reaching underserved communities specifically Latinos in STEM education she does it just an amazing job encouraging both the youth and elders of Latin American descent to bring the entirety of their cultural identity to bear and the learning of science and I admire her greatly also here with us tonight is Dr. Brian Mendez he's a professor of physics and astronomy he also develops programs for the web and museums among many many hats he wears you might know him from the Cosmic Serpent way back in 2012 believe he strives to foster diverse perspectives in his work with teachers students and the public and he's also a sci-fi geek and a saxophonist and he happens to have two of the cutest twins in all of the cosmos so I you happen to be a friend of mine too thank you so much for joining us Brian I appreciate that Alex Quinones works at the Sam Academy with many migrant parents and English language learners helping guide them to better understanding science he was just telling me about how he'd work with NASA programs and he got teachers and students involved in doing bringing authentic science research into the classroom he's also a huge Pittsburgh sports fan I hear congratulations Alex on the Stanley Cup I am from Nashville so we can't talk about that anymore but it's a really good thing you're an amateur astronomer because we'll have lots of other things to talk about really congratulations that was great and Jose Sandoval last but not least his reach is absolutely enormous the community science workshop network where he works provides opportunities for youth to tinker and make and explore their world through science and underserved communities across California so I just want to thank you all so much for taking the time to join us and help us become more inclusive and effective in our outreach I have quite a few questions for you all but I wanted to start quickly with a quote by Jose when we were emailing back and forth he was speaking to the benefits of exposing students to science and I wanted to just take this as a call to the amateur astronomers online here he said just provide them the opportunity the tools and the experience and they will be empowered and inspired as they take on an identity of a contributor a producer a scientist and an astronomer I just thought it was beautiful so thanks today so I know the club members on this call are interested in reaching out to Latino audiences I wanted to ask the panel this first question and then I'm going to stop sharing my screen and you guys can just take it from there so question being for club members who are new to reaching out to their local Latino audiences can you all suggest how they can get started and who and how and where definitely it's reaching out your your your community you need to go out and not be afraid to go and talk to parents and students and that's that's the problem with trying to go get Latino people to come into astronomy or any of the sciences is that you know they don't want to do it so if you go out there you go knock on their door I think that's one way we can get them involved very important I like to add this is about for example if you go to your local voice and girls clubs or any of the after-school programs that might be serving your local schools and if your local school is not serving a Latino audience then figure out in your geography you know where the Latinos live and that's where the kids are going to be going to school and then go to the after school programs and work with those coordinators or other community based organizations that would support Latino families and I think that's a great way to reach out yeah and to that I would add community colleges can be a great resource as well so you know find the community college that maybe has a large population of Latinos there get to know the faculty see if you can do some kind of presentation and when the astronomy or physics classes and let the students get to know about your club and invite them to you know come to meetings and become involved with the club I think you know one of the one of the most important strategies in trying to reach out to a community is trying to form a partnership with the community right it's not it's a when you when you're trying to make these connections it's a human interaction and so you want to do the kind of thing whenever you would reach out to make a new friend that's the kind of that that's what you're doing right you're trying to make new friends so think in along those those lines yeah that's great I know I from the logs of the night sky network that that there are a lot of clubs who are doing active outreach in churches too and certainly in schools and community centers so that's great that's a really good lot of good feedback there I wanted to see if you all had experience with partnerships that you really felt worked super well and what made those partnerships between like a science professional or a science team and a Latino community what made those successful why did they why did they work so well who's gonna go first I'll go first break the ice the examples that I can think of and I guess it actually just will pick up on my last thoughts the most successful programs I have seen are ones where people spent a lot of time getting to know someone in the community that they were wanting to to work with and forming a relationship getting to understand that community as well as they possibly could and then creating programming with that those partners that they've made right so rather than having some notion of I have this program that I want to bring to you it's what program can we together create that's going to that's going to be something that the community will will appreciate and enjoy and so I the the programs that have done that they take that time to build that relationship and and it takes time it's it's not fast you know you can't expect it to just you show up at you know one after-school program and next thing you know you're gonna you know be getting calls from all kinds of different community organizations that you show up with your telescopes even you've got if you've got to take some time get to know people and and work on those relationships okay I can I can say something in 2011 I started a club and a college really college and there was no science clubs and I started called Space which stands for the Society of Physics Astronomy Chemistry and Engineering and the goal was to get to do outreach for students there and not just STEM majors but students that were doing other majors I wanted to get involved with you know anything science like like astronomy and it started really small but it got really big and it still exists so it's something like that where you get other people from other types of majors to come in and do science and do some astronomy before I you know graduated I was a business major like in you know science and you don't have to be just a scientist to to love astronomy and you know to get other people to get involved and we had a lot of Latinos and in our club and it was really popular and just the you know the the community the community that that we had there really went a long way and it's still going strong today so today I just wanted to I mean I think that one of our strongest partnerships and I think Brian Mendez from UC Berkeley and also I said the Exploratorium have benefited from this partnership has been with Maya communities local Maya communities who have either their own grassroots organizations for community outreach or they hold ongoing festivities that may have something to do for example with equinox which is very important to the Maya community because of Chichinita and kind of the descent of the feather serpent on the pyramid and things like that so try to find a cultural link from the astronomy or other types of science to the community it's really important and and those links are usually very explicit if you start talking with the grandparents because they're the ones that remember how to observe the stars and how their communities still use the stars and constellations and the movement of the Sun in the horizon to time agricultural cycles that is still going on today so I think that what I want to harken to what all of our other panelists have said which is developing that close relationship de amistad de confianza cierto so this respect there's there's a friendship that that goes into issues of trust and sustainability you know how long you actually stay together with that community it's really important and I think that again involving the elders in the community or the leaders it's really a good way and if you can identify a group that's already organized so that you can be strategic and work together to do some co-development and they themselves can then invite their communities to events that the community is already coming to and then you add a layer of astronomy or science activities or space activities that have been co-developed with those community members that's really powerful yeah in fact I see that Andy Ketchy from Salinas chimed in with the same notion of they did a very similar type of events and I think some members of our group showed up to one of their events before it those are very it's you know that's a really smart thing to do and the other thing is don't do don't think of just science or astronomy you might you might think of steam you know adding arts or adding performing arts or anything that gets the community together to begin with and then you kind of tag on to that activity that's always very very powerful and astronomy of course has everything to do with food right how do you grow food has everything to do with the seasons and agricultural cycles and so if you can tie in the astronomy and the relationship between the sun moon and the earth to food or to traditional home building or other kinds of activities that would resonate with a community then that's a win-win that's fabulous using all of your five senses to to really incorporate astronomy into it that's great yeah working with them there are some resources I'll present at the end in some parts of from side girls and others who have done research on reaching out to Latino communities and they really emphasize doing or having your events have access to the whole family because often the whole an entire family from grandparents down to the grandchildren will come so as opposed to just having an event just for children make sure to include the whole family in that I heard when I was reading up on it that was one of the big recommendations yeah I mean one of the things that I often say when people you know ask about you know how do I reach out to let you know you know first I'll say well what the females because the Latino is the overly large label and you know you got to know your community a little bit better but there are a few general things that are true and one is that family the family unit is is framed in the community and so if you're gonna have an event you should expect that a whole family will show and that's one of the reasons why having some programming that's bilingual or having you know translator someone who could be there is useful because well kids are often bilingual and they'll understand what's going on in English you know maybe the older generations may not so much and you want to engage them as much as you want to engage the kids so it's really it's really important to to have someone who can you know if you don't have anyone in your group who speaks Spanish you know make the connection with someone in the community who can do the translation and you can work on that ahead of time with them so that you can do things in a bilingual way so and I'll say for me for example I'm you know I have Mexican heritage but I was raised in Michigan and I don't speak I don't speak Spanish very well so I always partner with someone who can speak it and and we make sure that we do things in a bilingual way I find it also sometimes gives younger children and elders a chance to have their own areas of expertise where sometimes the younger children can do some of the translating and a lot of times the elders will have the stories like Isabella's talking about that there's that they both see the relevance in each other's knowledge in a neat way around astronomy I've seen that a couple of times is doing outreach that's great I just want to encourage our audience to feel free to add questions to the Q&A as we go we've got a couple more before we open it up but feel free to add any questions to the Q&A so we don't lose them in the chat window I wanted to take it in the other direction for just a minute and ask you if there are any stumbling blocks or common mistakes that people make when first reaching out to first connecting with a Latino community I know that there you know there's lots of room for mistakes and sometimes we make them and need to course correct but I I was wondering if there were some common ones that you see happening with when people are good intention but maybe aren't thinking things all the way through I can think of one that actually I had when I was thinking of these questions beforehand this one hadn't popped into my head until just now so hey let's me it's good right but one thing I have seen happen that I think is you know is something to be careful of as if you're doing an event and you're highlighting some cultural aspects that was mentioned which is a really powerful thing to do be careful that you are respectful of those those cultural cultural knowledge pieces one of the probably worst things I ever saw someone do I won't name any names because actually I don't remember the name so I can't but you know I saw a co-presentation by Latina storyteller she was telling a story about the character one of the one of the gods associated with the Sun she was telling this story about a Mishika legend about the Sun and she told that story and then the amateur astronomer came up to then tell his his story and what what he started off by saying is okay now I'm here to tell you about the real Sun and you know I was just like what's not real about the story that was just told you know this idea that that reality is only you know the scientific scientific truth is the only form of reality that there is you know stories are an important way that we transmit cultural knowledge and there's much reality in a story as there is in an equation and so I would say you know think about that think about the you know what you're saying don't don't put down someone's culture when you're trying to reach out to them that's the service way to make sure they never show up again well I'm making a connection back to the previous point that was made be sure to make to build a relationship with community before you simply walk in there with your telescope at nine o'clock at night thinking you're gonna have people show up to watch the stars with some of the communities that I work with I spent two years in Watsonville and the relationship that was built with that community was built over 15 years so there was some sort of event that was coming up and we were the ones hosting it they knew that it was the place to be and then they trusted us and respected us and we're willing to go along with anything that he would roll out but at times I had seen some organizations coming from surrounding communities offering some sort of event or service and simply dropped in and it wasn't accepted at all for whatever reason they may be but yes take the time to make a connection to the community whether it I think probably the best way would be finding organizations of course that are already doing the work for example reaching out to the CSW's not just shooting her own horn but find the people that are already doing the work and pass on that knowledge pass on the tools to them so they can then implement them in their communities great thank you guys I find museums often will know who to connect with as well if you can't think of anyone off the head of the museum is sometimes a place to connect thanks you guys so much I there are a few questions that came through and Isabel you were answering one so well about translation and it when you use a PowerPoint to use for example when you want to use a bilingual PowerPoint to for example use follow red for Spanish and purple for English for example but and then you mentioned that the fewer PowerPoints the better hands on is the way to go so did you want to talk about how you do bilingual events a little bit you had answered it some in there but I'd be curious what you had to say you're asking me yeah I think definitely you know the more that you can have Latinas outdoors and and everyone outdoors right I mean what works from one human being will work for the other and I think that when you're talking about astronomy it's great to be able to go out and prepare people for looking at the sky and observing the sky and I would say that probably one of the best times to talk about eclipse is right after sunset when the moon is on a waxing crescent because you'll you'll be looking toward the western horizon and the sun will just have sat and hopefully you will see a tiny little crescent moon and the lit part of the moon will be pointing toward the whole be you know but illuminated by the light coming up from that horizon and so basically that gives you that teaching moment that talks about when you have a total solar eclipse that you have the new moon in front of the Sun and that you would have to have the moon and the Sun aligned from your perspective here on Earth to be able to see the eclipse so I would say is that yes you know give some basic information like that map that we saw to begin with you know a map with a path of totality or whatever but I think even describing what is the path of totality you know it's really an oval or or a circle about a hundred miles wide that is going to be traveling across the surface of the earth you know going very very fast and I mean I think that given those images of what's happening to create that picture that you're showing in the in the PowerPoint it's very important so I would say you know the main thing is just to take your your family's outdoors and have them look at the sky of course you also have to immediately talk about safety if you are in the path of totality so that you don't look at the Sun at any time without protection like eclipse glasses or some kind of specialized filter especially during the partial phases but also that gives you the good opportunity to talk about how you project you know the image of of the eclipse using things like your cross fingers or leaves from a tree to pinhole cameras all sorts of different ways in which you can appreciate the partial phases of an eclipse and then you know that kind of takes you into that experience of what people would see either through an online webcast if you're not in the path of totality or within that path but I think that you know beyond eclipse I think our greater goal is to get people looking up at the sky and appreciating the cosmos more broadly and to make the sky your friend so I think that if we can do that and boy when you you know you can just imagine in your mind's eye right when you're out looking at the western horizon and then the sky is beautifully red and then you have maybe Venus and maybe the crust moon there or you can hook somebody just through that opportunity right there I hope that answers the way you describe things Isabel it's fabulous thank you yeah it absolutely did and then something thanks I just have a question here from Jose Aguilar he says I speak fluent Spanish but don't have a fluent vocabulary for the technical terms in astronomy and physics which I'm interested in other than other than online dictionary translators are there other methods for building a technical and science vocabulary in Spanish I'd like to use Spanish terms that are actually used by a scientist I run into the same problem all the time and and I often have to ask participants in my programs how do you say that word I have no idea that was not in any of my learning do you guys know anywhere that's besides the translator that are there classes online where you can learn these terms or a great dictionary because often the astronomy terms are not organized in one place although sometimes they're the same which is nice I think actually Wikipedia in Spanish is not too bad but but you know but but you kind of you know the more fleshed out the article as usually that means that you know but if it's like two words or whatever it's hard to trust but what I did at one time I had to go teach in Spain that was a long time ago but I have to go teaching astronomy course in Spain for like three weeks and let me tell you how do you say coronal mass ejection and you know solar flare and things like that in Spanish I had no clue and so I actually bought some technical books published in Spain or Latin America you can just go and find those those books online and just buy a technical astronomy book a general but technical astronomy book written in Spanish and published by a Spanish or Latin American publishing company and that gives you your terminology the other thing is encyclopedias in Spanish that have a special book in astronomy that those are also really good sorry I guess someone had muted me usually I lean on Isabelle or or another colleague you know who who had some training in Latin America in the sciences because I mean one of the it's maybe not as big of an issue because you know most people who you're going to encounter will have not had an academic training in Spanish in those terms and so whether you use the word in Spanish or use it in English it's a new word right it's just a new vocabulary word in either language that they're going to learn so it's maybe not as big of a deal when it comes to the technical terminology yeah good point a couple of people just said I have an idea let's get the ASP to publish a bilingual glossary for all those tough terms and then we would have to update it every six months resource yeah yeah we just have it online I would that's a great idea okay cool maybe if that comes out of this I'd be thrilled thanks Andy and Teresa does anybody else have any other questions or if you guys panelists have anything you want to share with the amateur astronomy community I'm we're all ears and really excited to learn from you yeah great you guys otherwise I want to share a couple more resources with everybody let's see if that works all right yeah so at that same site that I was showing you earlier there are some more resources including videos and pamphlets and handouts in Spanish and English and some really great engagement strategies from PsyGirls and PBS they're just like one page handouts for engaging diverse audiences and this double AS resources on diversity is a link on that page as well and I tell you what I was blown away by everything that they included on that it's a really incredible resource if you want to kind of take this discussion further and work on unconscious bias and understanding privilege and what to do when you make a mistake things like that that you will encounter the more work you do so I encourage you to take a look at all of those resources on there I really really want to thank you panelists for sharing your time and your knowledge with us I can't thank you enough for being here with us today and I really hope that this is just the beginning of many more conversations that the amateur astronomy community will have around equity and inclusion I know that here at the astronomical society the Pacific were really dedicated to better serving diverse audiences and we've been working for example with Girl Scouts on how amateur astronomy clubs can better serve girls and so I know we're going to be talking about this and I really hope that this is just the beginning of your conversation as well you can reach out to me anytime feel free to email me or find us through the night sky network and oh I there's a message here that says the nice network is producing a series of earth and space activity toolkits over the next several years and all of their materials they make in English and Spanish that's where we got quite a few of these materials for the grant and I can't recommend those enough as well so thank you for that and let's see how do you oh there is a question one more question here for you guys before we go how do you dress misconceptions people have without being exclusionary that's kind of a general question that I think is a is a tough one no matter who you're sharing this with but do you guys have any suggestions for that I'm going to stop sharing the screen I think I've probably acknowledged that everybody has those misconceptions you know I mean most people will have these misconceptions because we are here on on the earth and we observe the sky so we have a very much a geocentric perspective and I think that's another thing that professional astronomers come on very very hard kind of telling you that you're wrong and is the heliocentric perspective that we can only you know acknowledge us correct on the other hand we're all here observing using terminology of sunrise sunset I mean even all of our language so I think acknowledging the fact that we live in a geocentric environment and experience and that we also know that there is a heliocentric explanation but not completely negating or invalidating the actual real experience that you're having yourself as you're explaining an eclipse or sunrise or sunset yeah I agree and I would also add that it's just to clarify whether it's a misconception or a different conception because you know oh it's just a different conception then maybe just leave that alone but you know if it's something about you know when the seasons occur or how the how the phases of the moon are connected to to the location of the sun or the season or something like that then you know I think it's for me the the way to always try to correct a misconception is to provide people with some evidence right to actually have them look at something and see you know people don't realize that the moon is visible in the daytime sky like every day except for one and maybe two right and you know the easiest way to combat that one is you know point that hey there it is in the daytime sky voila so I'm just you know providing people with with evidence you know and if you can't do that because you know the object or whatever is not up or it's a long term thing pointing to people the resources or doing some hands-on activities that help them you know understand things so doing hands-on activities about the seasons or the phases of the moon you know you should be doing that anyway at your events right so those are those are great you know important ways to help people understand some of these concepts which are really you know they require a fair bit of you know three-dimensional abstraction which is kind of unnatural for most people so you got to let people you know grapple with those those things um Vivian is there time for me to add a little one more or are we please tell me everything okay um I was just just like this conversation got me I don't know uh motivated but um I would say that also like when you talk to elders especially from rural communities um in Latin America they will say oh you know uh we our community my parents would ask us to go out and bang pots and pans during an eclipse you know just because you know we wanted the moon to go away and let the sun come back to us you know so there's this kind of tension between a tradition or perhaps I don't know if it would be called a misconception or maybe a myth or or a belief um but even like using the word myth you know makes it look as if it's unscientific right um there are other communities in which the parents would be um concerned about the children looking at at the eclipse at all and so they would go indoors and not allow them to look at the eclipse and some of these um customs or traditions I think that we shouldn't place our own values on them and say oh how silly you know that you don't let you know people come out and look at the eclipse even with appropriate protection of your eyes because sometimes these traditions come from a very very long time and maybe the depths of the tradition is not understood by us and at times maybe some people don't even want us to understand it's not for us to understand so I think that being very respectful of anything that we might at first value call like a myth or a misconception just and I think that that's when you develop the relationship um with people like Jose and Alex we're talking about and Brian when you develop the relations you think you can try and understand where does that come from you know and a lot of times I think especially when when people have had long-standing relationships with a particular place like have lived in the same area for many many generations then their knowledge is deep-seated in that place and when they come and tell you about one of their traditions a lot of times that kind of always lights a light bulb in my mind that that tradition probably has some kind of a scientific basis because it's kept that community alive for so many generations so there's probably a very sustainable track of science in there somewhere embedded in there and it's all conflated with belief systems and storytelling and you know different perceptions of what's real or what's what is observable or what is correct for your community so these are very complex things so I would say you know be careful and develop a relationship ask many questions and go in and with a position of humility and and also invite some of the elders to be co-presenters with you oh my goodness if you do that you know by developing an activity together and then you invite the elder to co-present so and at the same time that you're not that you're doing your your demonstration of what have you then you ask these community members and maybe it's not another maybe someone else a teacher or someone who has their own knowledge and you put them in a position of authority that's incredibly validating and important yeah that's a really excellent point I remember doing outreach down in San Jose at the lunata and often they I would I heard many times over and over well back in Mexico we could see the stars and and then it would begin a discussion of of their of the sky stories that they would tell from when they lived in a place that had much less light pollution in San Jose for example yeah no these are these are really important stories I wanted along those same lines to mention on that web page we also have another resource put out by the lunar planetary institute that's called the vanishing sun and it's eclipse tales from around the world that are told by people from those audiences so I I just want to thank you all so much for being here tonight and really excellent information so we'll have this webinar archived and you can access it at any time thank you thank you thank you um let's see there were oh there's another question that came in at the last minute lots of uh yeah so these were just some more suggestions and we'll include those um places to reach out to uh Latino audiences by finding out what your club's demographics are and including spouses and children's children um boys and girls clubs yamca and ywca um so thank you thank you to all of the panelists thanks to everyone who's listening in I appreciate all of you and it's been an honor to talk with you tonight thank you thank you