 the earliest moment for me to sort of understand in greater context of what he was doing is that at IS we had a lot of, IS would annually send field trips of kids to IRI because IRI was such a gem in terms of a place, an institution where they're doing something important and I remember I think I was in fifth or sixth grade at the time and we took a field trip to IRI and they were brought to the auditorium and they were given a film to see of IRI and then my father spoke and I think that was at that point it was sort of a defining moment and epiphany for me that that my father was really something special and doing some really good work because it wasn't until I saw the film and put it in the context of what was going on at IRI and going on a tour that I finally figured out because for us while we're growing up IRI was more of a place where we would ride our bicycles around all the fields and we would just stop by the canteen for donuts and then maybe stop by our dad's office and say hi and then we're off again to ride our bicycles all day long. Now that I have a greater appreciation of the impact of his work I think that he you know he struck me as someone who was very low-key, very humble and didn't really want to boast about his work a lot and he I think went about his work very quietly in many ways because he was doing a lot of things sort of behind the scenes but we knew that in retrospect I should have realized this because we had visiting IRI an entire cast of scientific all-stars if you could put it some of the best agricultural research scientists would make a pilgrimage to IRI to visit and view and review the work here and we would always have a chance to meet them because these scientists would come to our home and they would sit with my father and the porch and a lot of times we would sit right next to him while he was having a scientific discussion with it could be Norman Borlaug it could be Sir Otto Frankel or Sir Ralph Riley all these luminaries would come by and you know I should have realized that you know there's a good reason why all these famous scientists are coming by to visit IRI all the time yeah yeah I'm for me as I grow older I find them getting more philosophical and that's what I'm starting to really appreciate you know what my father and all the other fathers accomplish you know because you get more of a world view on things and you know what the ramifications are for the world's population so you know and that's how I really appreciate it but growing up you know we probably didn't get a full feel for how important the work was because a lot of scientists went through their about their work very quietly and modestly and it was actually for me more you know I got a sense of the importance of their work more through some of my classmates and their parents these classmates their parents would work for the Asian Development Bank or World Health Organization and when when they found out that your parents were working for IRI or they said oh IRI okay we'd like we'd like to come visit and you know talk to your parents or come for a visit so for me it was more coming from an external stimulus yeah IRI you know amongst the the students at IS was considered a sort of intellectual powerhouse all these very highly motivated and well educated parents you know I think that our relative isolation here compared to the city also lent itself to less exposure to some of the materialistic aspects of living in a big city and so I think that we had a lot of that benefit from not having been exposed a lot of the urban problems that some of our counterparts at IS had to grow up living in Makati at that time. What was the driving time in those days to the American school where IS is? It was about an hour an hour and 15 minutes back then but initially we didn't even have the expressway we used to take the old highway to Manila and we would go through Muntanlupa and we'd have to go through these we basically drove on a two-lane road one way each way and but back then even then traffic was not that bad we could make it to Manila to IS in an hour and 15 minutes. Clearly the expressway improved it but then I think the volume of traffic arose to meet the capacity of the expressway.