 Welcome everyone to Anne's webinar on orchids. We have some terrific guests today. We have Laurie Hack, who is the Executive Director of Orchid. Laurie, are you with us? Yes, thank you. And coming, leaning in through the miracles of modern science from Washington. Is that where you're at the moment? Yes. Is that where orchid is based? Orchid is, I'm based here. We're based all over the place. We have offices all over. Okay. And I assume it's a beautiful morning here in Canberra where evening time in Washington. Is that right? If you had your chocolate and snuggling into bed or? Yeah, no, it's spring here. So it's not quite that cold, but yes. Good. And we also have Amir Adyani, who's a project manager and a systems analyst at Anne's. We'll talk a little bit later about the Anne's orchids interoperability project. First of all, just a little context. And we have a series of webinars about data management, licensing of data. We have a particular interest in identifying researchers and that's because, you know, what part of Anne's mission is to have the research data, the outputs of research projects considered in some way, you know, in a metaphorical way, similar to the other outputs of research. So like a publication of a research project. And that's been a very strong push within the Anne's project is from a systems point of view, from a policy point of view, from a procedure point of view, from a cultural point of view, to have the outputs, the data outputs of research promoted up there as one of the first class outputs of research. And in doing that, you know, you come into the whole web of information about research. In particular, we start from the data sets, but that's obviously linked to the people and the organizations that create those data sets, the research projects that were the genesis of that data that was created, some of the fundamental concepts that are used within each data set so that you can link a data set to another one because it's, I don't know, it shares a concept of salinity or an observation about temperature or something like that. There are other shared concepts that link data sets together like, you know, the location of the observation or a time. All those key things help us to connect, you know, data sets to other data sets, connect data to other parts of research, and give us both a richer discovery of data, but also a richer use of data, better analysis and better integration. Now, all those things, you know, make for a very rich information experience, and people in that mix of, let's call them elements of the research environment, you know, the data, the people, the projects. Of all those, the people are probably one of the richest pivot points, if you like, in your global information system about data and about research, because the, in particular, with the rise of data citation, people wanting, you know, organizations looking for acknowledgement about data, the people really are a key pivot point, they create the data, they take part in these research grants and projects, and linking the data with the people for acknowledgement is one of the, another key plank of the ANS project. In doing that, we get information about data from universities, from publishers, from grant funding bodies, from libraries, and that information about the people and the linkage between the people and their data can come in little islands, so we get a little glimpse of what somebody's done from a university where they worked, we can get a glimpse of what they're doing from a publisher where they've published, we can get a glimpse of what they're doing from a national library of one of the countries where they've worked, but trying to pull all that information together about the researcher and their data from these diverse sources of information has, is both a huge opportunity in the, in that information science, but also a challenge in that, you know, we get a glimpse of what Amir Ariyani is doing from his employer, from his publisher, from the library, and how do you pull together all that information about Amir into a real profile of his data, for example, and his research profile. So, you know, as has been, you know, with our research data Australia portal, which is, you know, a window onto Australian data and the Australian data commons, we have come up against this requirement to pull together information about people and data sets from diverse sources. We've been working for a number of years with local, you know, with the National Library in Australia around identifying researchers, and with the emergence of ORCID last year, we were absolutely thrilled to, you know, be involved with the ORCID project because that's another way of bringing together information about researchers linking the researchers with their research output. Now, as we were saying, the research output of data is one of the core planks of the ANDS project. So with this, the emergence of ORCID is a really very exciting opportunity we see from the ANDS project to get involved and to enable this, that linkage, which really, so we see it really not that, well, we see in the words of, you know, Teddy Kennedy, what can we do for ORCID, but really what can we do for us as well, it really is a key solution to a problem which we've been chipping way up for quite some time. So we've invited Laurie here today to give an overview of the ORCID initiative and is supporting with information webinars, the webinar that you're at. We also have some technical integration which we'll hear about a little bit later. So Laurie is the Executive Director of ORCID. ORCID will hear about it a little bit in more detail from Laurie herself. Laurie's had a very interesting career in research and research management and in the scholarly societies related with search. So she has a PhD in neuroscience and has worked as a researcher with the National Institutes of Health in the United States, worked with the National Academies as well, which is a scholarly society in the States. She's worked in research management systems in the commercial world with Discovery Logic, which then became part of Thomson Reuters. So these are the research management systems that are used by research organizations. Now she's with ORCID, with all that terrific experience of all those different aspects of research. So Laurie, do you have some slides for us about the ORCID initiative? Is that right? Can we? Yes, I do. So you can switch it over to me and I'll see if I can't set this up so everyone can see this. Thank you so much for that wonderful introduction. All right, so that should be right. So it's only the 22nd here, but I guess you're used to being ahead. So what I wanted to do today for my fabulous perch in springtime Washington, DC is tell you a bit about where we are with ORCID. And for those people who aren't aware of what ORCID is, go a little bit through the benefits of ORCID and also what kind of an organization we are. I know that there's a little question and answer screen here, so we'll be looking at those. And if folks have questions directly about the slides, we'll try to field those right after the presentation. Otherwise, I know that Adrian has made time for Q&A at the end of the session. That's a good point, Laurie. There's a little module if you haven't attended one of these webinars before. There's a little module there that says questions or chat, is that right? And if you've got a question, just type it in and when we come to the end of this presentation, we'll either pass directly to you if you have a microphone or just read out the question and go to discussion on it. Good, Laurie. All right. Well, thank you so much. So, there's a number of questions that folks might have, and I've put a few of them up on this slide here. Why do I have to manually enter data? What happens to this data if I should have them to move? Are these two names referring to the same person? Maybe a question that both an individual researcher but also somebody in management or administration may also have when looking at the data they have for their university data set, repository, whatever. From a university perspective, they might want to know how can we know what our researchers have produced. This is really close to what Adrian was talking about, is how do we connect research to outputs, in particular for ANS with data sets. How do we keep our repository up to date is another big one. Researchers are sick and tired of spending so much time doing reporting. Is there a way that this reporting process and repository deposition can be streamlined? How can we accurately benchmark research strengths and impact? Australia is far and away ahead of most other places on earth when it comes to benchmarking research and really trying to track research outputs, but there's still issues with trying to identify linkages between people, their activities, their organizations, and their other research outputs. And finally, a funder may be asking, as well as a university, how can we follow people who have participated in our program? So this is career tracking. Are these trainees members of our organizations? It might be something that a professional association might ask, for example. The common thing in all of these questions comes down to name ambiguity and really providing a way to identify individuals in between and among systems. So what the mission of ORCID is is centered exactly on that. We are working on a system to discreetly identify people participating in research that crosses disciplines, organizations, and countries. Without such service, the research community lacks the ability to accurately and easily identify and link researchers and scholars with their professional activities. So what is ORCID? We're international. We're interdisciplinary. We're an open organization and not for profit. We're also community driven. We listen very closely to what the community is looking for to solve name ambiguity issues and we do implement community suggestions. We collaborate extensively with researchers and organizations across the research community with universities, with funders, with publishers, et cetera, and I'll go into that a little bit more who we've been working with so far. We have a two part core mission. The first part is to provide an open registry of persistent and unique identifiers for researchers and scholars. That's the first piece. But we also know that just providing that registry is not enough. So we also work very closely with the research community to ensure that these identifiers are embedded in key research workflows. And I'll talk a bit about which workflows they are, but workflows that capture for example, manuscript submissions, grant applications, dataset deposition, and make sure that this ORCID identifier, this personal identifier, becomes embedded in that document as a piece of the metadata. So it's those two pieces the identifier itself and the linking embedding mechanism. That is what ORCID does. Alright, so what is the ORCID identifier? I put the slide near the beginning because people are, what is it? What are you talking about? I want to see what one looks like. So this is an example of an ORCID identifier. It's expressed as a URI. So the identifier is this entire expression from the HTTP at the beginning to the dash 0097 at the end. It's a 16 digit number expressed as a URI and it's also compatible with an ISO standard that's been published by Izni and if anyone's been following the blogosphere, Izni and ORCID just today announced our commitment to interoperability between our systems. This is really going to help individuals in the research space bring a number of their different objects together focused on the one name identified. What I show you on the other side of the screen is the registration process for an ORCID identifier. Registration is free. It costs nothing and requires no membership. What you see here is that you have to enter your first name, your last name, your email address, create a password, decide what privacy default you want for your new research works, and then there's a few notification questions that are asked and then sign off on agreeing to consenting to the privacy policy in terms of conditions. So anybody that's listening, if you have a computer handy and a second screen, I encourage you to go ahead and register. It's ORCID.org that's O-R-C-I-D dot O-R-G slash register and tell me later on how long it took you to register. It should be about 30 to 45 seconds. Something to do while you're listening. So what are the benefits of ORCID? The benefits really depend on where you sit in the community. The ones I've put on this slide I think are the most general benefits. First, ORCID provides a unique and persistent identifier that can be used throughout an individual's career. You can obtain it at any time during your career. You can input retrospective research works and link them to your ORCID identifier and you can also use that identifier moving forward in a variety of different workflows to ensure that the identifier becomes embedded and that information then becomes posted to your ORCID record and keeps it up to date. So the second benefit is improved system interoperability again across all of these natural silos that exist today and that interoperability supports reduced reporting workloads for researchers. If your ORCID record becomes updated on an automated basis, now that you're embedding the identifier in these documents, that means instead of asking a researcher for the update, whoever is asking can actually query the ORCID registry for that information. This can assist in automating repository deposition, institutional reporting and also post-award grant reporting. Lots of things that can be assisted here. The other piece is that ORCID is an open organization. The ORCID identifier is an open standard and these APIs are open, they're posted and can be used in any setting. So we have a public API that can be used free of charge. We have a sandbox for testing both the public API and member API and the member API does require that an organization sign off on our membership agreement and pay a membership fee but we do have the ability to test that membership, sorry, the member API in the sandbox prior to becoming a member. We want people to use these APIs, we want people to develop on top of the ORCID registry and provide additional functionality. So for the benefits to be realized, however, there's three things that need to be satisfied. The first one, as a researcher-driven resource, ORCID must be seen as a benefit by researchers. They have to understand the benefit of creating ORCID identifiers. Researchers then need to actually take action and create or claim an ORCID account. But a piece of that is that research information processes and systems have to adopt ORCID as a standard person identifier, embed them and link back with the ORCID registry. All of those three pieces have to happen. For the researchers to see the benefit they have to be embedded and for them to be embedded the researchers need to see that they can actually use them. So what I'm going to talk about a bit now is where we are in terms of adoption in the community. I'll talk a bit about use and where we are internationally as well as who has actually embedded these identifiers in what kinds of systems. So this first slide usage is clearly international. This is our Google Analytics slide. We have over 120,000 people that have registered for ORCID identifiers since our launch in October. These numbers represent 11 countries that have actually more than 11 now. Over 10,000 visitors today. Almost 50 countries with more than 1,000 visitors and over 80 countries that have over 100 visitors. So while the US has about 17.5% of the total visits, that's really way less it's not half, right? It's a proportion. UK, China, Spain, Italy, Brazil, Germany, India, Australia, Japan these are the top 10. All have over 10,000 users on the site. Unique users on the site. And this goes pretty quickly into 1% a long, long trailing tail. A lot of countries are already using ORCID identifiers. There's very little bytes on the chart you see there. The other piece I wanted to point out on this slide is the steady growth since our launch in October. What I did want to mention, and this is where I don't know if you can see my mouse here. Right about here, there's actually an inflection point in the growth. We went from about 4,000 to 5,000 new users a week to about 6,000 to 7,000 a week. And so we're hoping to get another inflection point pretty soon here so we can continue to see a growing adoption in the researcher population. So I'm just going to try this. All right, so that's where we are with researcher adoption, people coming to the site and using it. Let's talk a bit about who's actually embedding ORCID identifiers. So we currently have 41 subscribers and member organizations. You can see there in the fourth bullet we list NDS with repository and profile systems. There's a number of professional associations. This is the Psychological Association, the Physical Society, Computing Machinery, the MLAs, Modern Language Association, and the World Society of Chemistry. So just reading those off, it's very clear that we're interdisciplinary. We have four funders, so the NIH, Welcome to Trust, the US Food and Drug Administration just signed up and the Department of Energy and the US is just about to sign off on a member agreement. And we've been in conversations with funders in the United Kingdom and Canada and a bit in Australia as well to encourage them to embed ORCID identifiers in the grant application process. I should mention that associations, the ones listed there, have all been focusing on their publication process and integrating ORCID identifiers into management submission. There's also publishers and publishing publishers. You can see the giant publishers, in particular the journal publishers, are all members of ORCID and we have, for example, Nature, Aries, Copernicus, Elsevier, Epistemia, and Kandawi have already integrated ORCID identifiers and are collecting them already in the manuscript submission process. And there are actually, I believe through Kandawi already, ORCID identifiers that are associated with published manuscripts and metadata for which is sitting in Crossref. So you can actually now query Crossref using an ORCID identifier and find some papers, which is very exciting considering that we just launched in October. So again, I'm thrilled. Repository and Profile Systems, a number of different organizations there on, you can see, ANDS, AVIDIS is a profile provider from universities, Crossref you know. Faculty of 1000 also provides faculty profiles big shares, a dataset repository. IFPRI is a food policy research institute node. It goes on. There's just a really great organizations that are working with working to integrate. And then finally universities and research organizations are working closely with working to integrate into faculty profile systems at the university into faculty human resource records, things like that. So Boston University is close. We have, let's see who else is on here, Harvard has been integrating into their faculty records system. And then we have New York University is working as well. And OVEDO is actually through the library creating records for their researchers. So there's a lot happening also in the university as well. So that's who we are with members. As I mentioned, here's some of the different systems that we have. Embedding in university, Chris systems, manuscript submission, grant applications, linkage with repositories. The piece I didn't mention just now is a linkage with other identifiers. So there are, I'm fully acknowledging that there are other researcher identifier systems out there. One of the reasons that ORCID was founded was because those companies, those organizations that offer those identifiers realized fully that they didn't work internationally or they didn't work across disciplines. So what ORCID does is it provides a way to link these identifiers together for one. And so now you can have both the researcher ID, a scope of ID, link to your ORCID identifier, and now all of those identifiers are linked together. If you have an archive ID or a retec ID, you can do the same thing. with your Australian national ID. We're also talking with membership professional associations to explore integration in their membership systems and also in the process when you submit an abstract to a meeting. So these are things that we're talking about. So what about the relationship between integrators and uptake? So what we find is about 30% of the registrations on the ORCID website are through these integration points. This pie chart is actually a little bit old, but we see of that 30%, about half of it is through manuscript submission. Another almost half is from linkage with external IDs like Scopus and Researcher ID. And then we have some linkages through social media sites and other sites. And so what we're doing is tracking this over time to see if that still remains 60, 30 and as other integrations are added, what are the proportions of integrations. But clearly the integration points are really important for bringing people to ORCID and registry. So this is all good. And I'm really hoping we'll have ANDS here and people coming and getting an ORCID identifier to assist with their management of data. And I know that Amir is going to talk about that a bit. So what is the ORCID registry? So what I've shown here is you have your identifier here in the big blue blog that identifies a link to a few things. Your account, whereas an individual you have account settings and you can manage permissions. And I'll talk a bit about privacy in a minute. You also have an ORCID record component to this. You can actually add information to your biography. You can add research activities information. And then as I mentioned you can link your identifier to a number of other systems. You can link it to other identifiers. Right now research IDs and scopes are active. You can link your identifier to these research information systems at universities, funders and governments. And pretty much any research institution doesn't matter if it's for profit or non-profit. And finally you can link it within work clothes. Which we've talked about. What about privacy? So again ORCID is a researcher. It's a community driven effort. An individual essentially owns and controls the information in their ORCID record. The only thing that is default public is the identifier itself. Everything else in that record the individual controls. You can set at the item level items to be public. Which is accessible by anyone. You can set them to be what we call limited access. Which is accessible by yourself. A proxy that you appoint. Or by a trusted organization that you have accepted. And you can also set them as private. So this is accessible only by you or your proxy. At every level. So you can decide to have your name and your publications public. But your email address is private. The other piece of this is that ORCID, again as an open initiative, creates a data set once a year of all of the public data in the registry. And we will post that data set on the ORCID website for people to use. So anything that's marked as public by the individual will be available in that data set for reuse under a CCO waiver. Alright, so what are the personas? We have the scholar or researcher themselves. We have the proxy that can be assigned by the researcher. Trusted organizations. These are ORCID members that have signed a member agreement with very stringent privacy populations. These trusted organizations can you add or edit information in the ORCID record with the scholar's explicit approval. Trusted organizations if they are an employer of an individual can also create an ORCID record on behalf of that individual. If the individual needs to claim it. Talk about that in a second. Actually we won't. So I'm happy to answer questions about trusted organizations or creation. Again the only organizations that can create ORCID records are those organizations that are in an employee-employee relationship with an individual. No one else can do that. Alright and I'm going to show a couple example workflows just to give you a picture of how the system works. So linking to a CRIS system and importing information will be the first one. Embedding in manuscript submissions, systems in production, linking to an external identifier, and consuming data to generate research statistics. There are other out there but I wanted to make sure I didn't go over time and gave folks time to ask questions. So this is one example. This is a vendor of ATIS who has integrated the ORCID identifier into their offering for universities. This just shows an example here on this page. Pardon me. The ORCID identifier displayed on their page. They actually have a GET when you can search for the identifier and it will use actually the public API in this example to populate this field. But the individual doesn't type it in. It's sent via computer to computer interactions. This system also allows you to import publications from your ORCID records. So this is a way to help keep your local system up to date through that linkage with the record. It doesn't just have to be publications. It could also be data sets and other research works. Anything that is in that ORCID record can be used to populate this. And over time what they're talking about is making this an automated process so the individual can explicitly approve their local profile system to do the query and populate the local record. Alright. The next one, Manuscript Submission. This is just a quote from an article in editorial in Nature earlier in January by Phil Abelson talking about ORCID and the fact that Nature Journals, the authors that submit papers to Nature Journals can link their ORCID identifier account during Manuscript Submission and that they are soon going to be publishing authors ORCID identifiers in the paper. I don't have word about how that's going to be formatted but this is really great news. It also provides researchers with a very clear incentive to obtain an ORCID identifier. Linking to other identifiers. This is an example for researcher ID. There is a similar kind of thing for Scopus as well. So here we have researcher ID. When you're in the researcher ID interface it asks you if you would like to create an ORCID record or you already have an ORCID record. And then it allows you to exchange information between your researcher ID profile and your ORCID record. So it allows you to say, yeah, I want to exchange my profile data which would be essentially with biography. You'd allow to send or you could try the publications to ORCID to essentially prepopulate that record and link to those publications to your ORCID identifier. And you could also go the other way which was retrieving publications that had been linked to ORCID identifier and pushing the researcher ID account. So all of those things are possible through that interface. And then finally generating usage statistics. Here is an example from the impact story. There are some other examples. Here you have the ability to enter your ORCID identifier. And then what impact story does is it pulls your publications from your ORCID record and generates usage statistics using their algorithms. And so you can see here this is an example for me. Some of my papers and some of the statistics that they've generated. So this is again another incentive for researchers to have an identifier. A very easy way to use this identifier to check on usage for your papers and potentially data sets as well. A little bit about where we're going over the course of this year. We just were actually in the process of launching what we call an ambassador program. We're looking in particular for people at universities or in specific sectors of the research community to work with us to help us understand needs of specific communities and communicate benefits of ORCID in those communities. We are hosting an outreach meeting and a code fest in May in Oxford which is a long way from Australia. But you're welcome to join us. We're in the process of setting up a webcast. We are working on a number of workflows. So one of them is translating content on the site so that it is accessible to folks with multiple languages. And we're also working on a number of standard integration workflows. As you can see here there's publishers, external IDs, repositories and then making sure that all aspects of the ORCID registry user interface are activated. So adding things like affiliations the ability to enter information on grants and patents and then being able to cross-link works. There's a lot of things coming. We'll have another outreach meeting in October and that's going to be in Washington, D.C. So that's where we are at the roadmap. Again, every page of the ORCID registry has a little button you can click. If you have an idea, please tell us what you'd like us to be doing. You can also vote on already submitted ideas. And if you need more information, here's the information page. You can come to our website. You can go to our knowledge base to learn more about technical aspects of integration and our APIs. ORCID code is posted in an open source repository on GitHub. We have a blog. We have Twitter. And there's me. So thank you so much for listening. And I guess we can go from here to talk about what AMDS is doing with the ORCID identifier, which I think you find very interesting. So thank you so much for your time and attention. Sorry, I think I was muted there. Thanks, Laura. That was a terrific overview of the ORCID initiative. I just have a little question before we go on to what Ann's is doing. Around the governance of ORCID we'll hopefully play a fundamental role in information about research, that kind of linkage role between information from publications and grant areas and data repositories. How is the governance set up and into the future? Does ORCID have confidence that the great power that we are all hoping that ORCID will develop will be used for the good of mankind? Right. What's the relationship with the publishers and the universities? So ORCID is by design organization. The board, we have a board of directors. There's 14 people on our board of directors. They have to be members of ORCID to be on the board. And the board is majority nonprofit by design. Our bylaws state that ORCID cannot be sold, that we must maintain ourselves as a nonprofit entity. And we also have I guess you could say we have policies in place that if ORCID were to change hands, again, it remains nonprofit. But we have policies in place for how we manage transfer data should that happen. I don't see that happening at this point. So we have a majority nonprofit board made up of members. We have elections once a year. So the board chair transfers once a year in January. We switch over to a new board chair. We have members who are on the board for three years and then rotate off. We also have steering groups. So we have an outreach steering group, the technical steering group, and a business steering group. These are all open to anyone to participate. So you're welcome to go to our website, self-nominate yourself, tell me you're interested. And we also have working groups that any of these steering groups can set up if they have a particular question. So we're actually just in the process of finishing work with a metadata works group that is part of the technical steering group. There's going to be a new one launched previous slide, a new one launched to talk about claims stored, how we manage multiple claims in the data. All of these are open to the public. And we also have a very open process for development. So we have what are called Trello boards. Anyone can go in and see what we're working on in any given day. You can comment on things. And as I mentioned you can always submit an idea to our ideas board, vote on ideas. And finally our code is open source and we're looking forward to people actually contributing code, contributing ideas in that venue as well. So we are as open and transparent as I can possibly manage any organization being. If you want more, let us still and we'll find a way to provide it. The strength of ORCID is the kind of cooperative nature I suppose between the publishers and the universities etc. So really I think you've really got a very nice balance there to have a third party neutral kind of nonprofit organization aggregating the information about people from all these... Interesting about ORCID is it was really formed as a collaboration between organizations that realized that they could not do this on their own and it could not be done in a commercial setting. Thank you for the presentation. Thanks Adrian. Thanks Laurie for a very interesting introduction to what ORCID is. Well, based on the fact that ORCID provides a great platform for obtaining information about the scholarly work and what the researchers is doing, ANS initiated an interoperability project between ANS services and ORCID platform back in January. The objective was to improve the identity awareness of data which that means linking the datasets to researchers, publications and grants using the metadata that we can harvest from the ORCID repository. Now in that context the approach that we are taking is providing the solution and so forth for ANS partners to leverage the ORCID platform that includes policies, documentations, trainings and webinars and one of those webinars. In the technical point of view what we are doing we are enabling the RDA contributors to link their research collections to ORCID identifiers when they provide data to RDA. Also we are working in another phase of this project to provide RDA as a source of information into ORCID. Just for our non-Australian listeners the RDA is the Research Data Australia information portal about data in Australia. Now the roadmap of our integration is the first phase of the project which is almost complete was ORCID integration into FCS. In the second phase we are working on RDA integration into ORCID and the third phase which are mainly focused on further automation is our extended activity around this interoperability project. I get to each phase individually. So the phase one which is almost completed at this stage we deliver the ORCID identifier type as an embedded element inside the FCS Research Data Australia source code ingest and resolve ORCID identifiers. So what that enables is it provides a functionality for the contributors to provide ORCID identifiers as a related object to our collections and that's in that part the system would identify as a known identifier. This functionality would be available as part of the new software release for Research Data Australia which is on 15th May and once this happened then we would be able to say okay well at least we can have that connectivity between the ORCID records and the datasets in RDA from the Australian Organizations perspective. Now in the second phase of project we are moving more into the international domain and the idea here is that in the ORCID account and this is a similar thing as we have seen in the previous slides from when Laurie was talking about integration between nature or scope into the ORCID. Now similar to this in the ORCID interface at the current stage there is a link to say import research activities. When you click on this link it gives you options that okay well what are the source of information that you want to import. And in this phase what we need to do we aim to basically implement a workflow that it takes the ORCID user to a page in RDA and in that page the user gets the options to see the relevant datasets and collections related to the name of the person and in addition you would get the options to do extra search to say okay well this is not all my collections I have some collections under different names. This information once the user confirm that this is my datasets then they will be sent back to ORCID. So the ORCID user would be able to see that information if I go to the previous slide in a page like this when you look at the works collection in ORCID you would be able to see my datasets in that list. In addition what we are going to do we are going to actually store that information in the RDA. So when you are browsing through different collections in the research data Australia you would be able to see that this collection is linked to this ORCID account and one of the other things that would be the byproduct of this functionality is that you would be able to see the collections that are intrinsically connected because both of them are linked to the same ORCID identifier. Now this phase is the next stage of the integration and ANS development team would start working on this after the release of R10 which is, if I'm not mistaken, 15th of May. So we are hoping to achieve a dysfunctional in the live environment in late July or August. The third phase of our integration with ORCID is mainly enhancing the existing functionalities. They are reducing the manual matching by researchers is one of the goals. The other thing that they are very much looking forward to it is using the ORCID identifiers to link the collections to other activities such as projects and brands and also we have this discussion with Luria there is opportunity here to link the ORCID identifiers and NLA identifiers through the RDA platform. And also the other option here is that linking the publications to data sets. Now all of these options here at this stage for the phase 3 is very much at the planning stage so we have an accurate prioritized different items in this list. We welcome your ideas, we welcome suggestions of what are the other things that you want to see in this platform and this is the phase that is almost going to shape by the input of the community. Now this is overall if you like roadmap of RDA and ORCID integration and I think I'm going to actually stop here and don't discuss any further because we have only about 12 minutes to the end of this webinar. Give your time to guys to ask questions and you have a kind of like a dialogue monologue here. Okay so I'm handing over to Adrian. Alright thank you Amir, that's excellent and really some exciting directions there. Just to say the ANS experience of working with ORCID has been absolutely marvellous. The interfaces are all well documented and very easy to work with so if any of the organization, any other, anyone on the webinar is thinking of using those interfaces at their organizational level. I can say that our experience has been totally painless and really nice, good support from the ORCID as well. Laurie I was going to ask the kinds of people that we have on the call today are around working with at universities. What kind of scenarios have you seen with universities considering perhaps a bulk approach to creating identifiers for their employees? Yes we have a couple different approaches actually. Each university has its own culture and different ways of managing these kinds of initiatives for their faculty. One example is Harvard University which is a member of ORCID and actually has been a board member of ORCID since the inception and they opted for very lightweight integration of ORCID where they integrated the ORCID identifier into their PeopleSoft system and so when people go update their faculty record, they can then create an ORCID identifier and link it with their faculty record at that level. So it's a very, very lightweight it requires very little push from the university and quite frankly the university is not creating records on behalf of the researchers but they're providing incentive because adding the ORCID identifier to that faculty record allows them to do things like update their local profile system with publication data from the ORCID record to update repositories the same way. And so it's a very light, high impact. We have other organizations like Boston University that have gone through a pretty extensive process internally bringing stakeholders together from across the university to work out legal aspects of creating records for individuals as well as a timeline for pushing this out. So they have worked with legal to figure out, you know, is it opt out in? They have a whole process for communicating with the faculty about creating working records for them opting out if they want to same thing for postdocs which at Boston are considered students and opt in process for the students and that process is wending its way along but it's a little slow because they have to go through these periods for legal review and what they will be doing is linking the ORCID identifier to their local profile system, their Boston profile system so it's going to look pretty similar to what Aveda said which is here's the profile system, please create or link to your ORCID record and hey you can now do bidirectional data exchange which includes systems. And then we have organizations like Universidad de Ovedio, OVEDO, sorry in Spain that is spearheading from the library the creation of work records practically manually using the ORCID API. So there's a huge range of what organizations are doing and what we're trying to do is clearly articulate and summarize what these organizations are doing and provide this experience and information out to the communities that folks can determine which way they want to move. Laura, we have a question from Steven Manuel, is that right? Yes, I'm not sure whether we've got his microphone up sometimes. The system takes a little moment to warm up. Oh yes, okay, that's good. Okay, my name's Martin, I actually posed this question on behalf of UniSA and Steven's name is the one that comes up on the menu. What concerns me is that for any system like this to be truly unique, truly successful, it needs to be unique. And at the moment we've got a number of different identification systems, yours being one research writing being another for example and I feel that we're actually introducing problems because in essence we're creating multiple names for people by having multiple IDs and I really believe that what we need to do is get consensus at least from the universities possibly globally that we will utilize a particular identifier whether or not development has started on that system and then only when we have consensus everyone needs to build towards that single system. And I know that's a difficult problem but I really think that's where the focus ought to be. Right, no I hear you and so it's really hard to get everyone to agree at the same time on adoption and so looking at ORCID there was a lot of time spent developing a consensus in the community that ORCID was the way to proceed. So ORCID came together in about 2009, didn't really hire, I came on board last year so three years they spent, the board spent really working with the community to figure out is ORCID needed, how should it be formed, all of these other different questions and at the end of that determined that over 400 organizations had signed on as either sponsors or participants all saying yes let's do ORCID. So the board at that point felt that there is enough of a consensus in the community to move forward with ORCID as the common name identifier in the research space but at the same time ORCID was very careful to say look there are other common name standards out there that for whatever reason did not work on a global scale. There is no reason that those identifiers need to go away but the important thing is to link those different identifiers together using the ORCID identifier so that they're all pointing to the same person and then that individual can choose to use whichever identifier they want to but quite frankly the only one that I'm aware of that's being embedded in systems is the ORCID identifier and so I think that over time you'll start to see people using that ORCID identifier during their research career and people they're already using it. So I mean here what you're saying but I feel that the folks who started the ORCID initiative have done a lot of work developing that consensus and now it's time for those organizations that may not have heard of that to really consider and take part in the initiative as it moves forward. We have another question from Susan Robbins I'm just wondering Susan can you hear us or more importantly can we use depression is it warming up just thinking. Susan let me just read through one of Susan's questions whilst we're trying to get her audio there Susan if you're listening we're trying to say something and we'll put you on. One of the questions you have is about the integration with places such as Scopus. What if the Scopus record is incorrect? Will that corrupt the ORCID data? No so this is interesting actually so as you know Scopus was doing automated disambiguation of their publishing sorry the publication database and then assigning Scopus ID to their clusters that they identify this method and so what they do through the integration with ORCID is allow research to come in and actually clean up their Scopus record. So if something is there that shouldn't be there an individual can tell them that and if there's something that needs to be there that isn't an individual can also communicate that with Scopus through this integration and so what we saw when the integration went live which actually went live the same time ORCID went live in October was you know two countries Italy and Spain that were coming up for a national evaluation there's a huge number of researchers that came to Scopus or ORCID and did this and cleaned up their ORCID record sorry their Scopus record and imported those works into ORCID to make sure that their ORCID identifier and the proper list of Scopus articles were linked together so there's a huge opportunity here for other databases that were similarly constructed using these automated algorithms to get input from the researchers to validate the content of those and I should mention when I did this work the linkage with Scopus they had identified two different groupings that were both mine and I was able to say these are both me and then what Scopus did was merge those records together and under one Scopus ID and now link to my ORCID identifier so like I said this is a great opportunity to validate those automated clusters. Another question that Susan has is whether these things would be updated automatically meaning if Scopus gets some new information about me and I've previously linked Scopus from ORCID would the new information be updated? So the answer is yes and no. You have to explicitly approve that update but because you have approved Scopus as what we call a trusted party through that linkage process what then can happen is Scopus can now send you a note essentially saying we've found a new article for you would you like to update your ORCID record with it. What we're thinking about and we really like community input on is whether researchers would like to just approve those updates in bulk for some period of time or if there is a preferred ability to approve anything before it is linked back to an ORCID record so it's semi-automated. So again looking for community input on the preference part. Terrific. Well thank you very much Laurie. I just have to reiterate that the opportunity that ANSI's in ORCID is absolutely marvellous in that it's the right, it's a community approach, it's a trusted provider we have, it's the right kind of community of practice as well, the same kind of people who create data sets are generally linked with the major members of ORCID, the publishers, the grant funders and the universities so if you can build a strong community of practice around researcher identification with those big players in research, the research institutions, the funders and the publishers then we really see that there's terrific potential here and whether it covers everything in the world, actually we're not fast as long as it covers the particular area of research that we are looking for because I'm sure there are other identities that are used for other things but this one is looking really promising for that linkage between researchers and their output. Now so if we wanted to people wanted to get in contact with you those last, on your last slide there we had your emails, is that right Laurie? Is there a, what's the best way for an organization that's interested in ORCID to get in contact with you? Yeah the best way is through email which is l.hack at ORCID.org, it is on the last slide and yeah feel free to get in contact with me, please. And is there a did you say you had a Twitter feed? Yes we have a Twitter feed, it's at ORCID underscore org it's a really great way to follow us, we do not barrage people with information I just sent out the first tweet in a little while today about the ORCID ISNI interoperation notice, usually there's two or three tweets a week, so yeah there's ORCID.org and we also have a blog and that's like two or three posts a month and you can subscribe to that on the ORCID website under ORCID.org slash news, so yeah all of that so they are very easy to access. Good and we look forward to you know perhaps getting in touch with you again perhaps in a few months we might look at a different aspect of ORCID in perhaps more detail, this is a good overview but once we get a handle of how the universities in Australia are adopting this we'd be happy to come back again and perhaps go from ORCID 101 to ORCID for the postgraduate ORCID webinar. Exactly I would love that, that would be great. Terrific and you know we might look at from a technical point of view get a bit more information about the integration if that's necessary. Amir, to get more information about what ANZ is doing on the ORCID ANZ integration project what are we best there? Yes we have two web pages on the ANZ website, one is the ORCID page and there is an ORCID page that's called Identifying Researchers. So as we are moving forward in this project we will post information on those pages, also there will be more information available on the ANZ newsletter and ANZ on monthly applications that we have. From the technical point of view after release of ARTA there will be some follow up webinars and some follow up training materials and if you have any questions you can always contact me or other colleagues in ANZ. Okay very good. Just to talk about a little bit what's coming up on the other webinar series that we have in May there's some very interesting webinars around data citation, DOIs and data citation as well as minting stories about DOI and there is also some information about the new software release later in May as well so I urge you all to have a look at the ANZ website that's anz.org.au slash events and keep in touch with the exciting new ANZ that are coming online there. Thank you very much Laurie we'll let you get back to your after dinner court or whatever it is that you're doing in Washington and thanks so much for giving us that great overview of all of it. And thank you so much for having me. Alright we'll see you soon. Thanks Amir. Thanks for all right bye for now. Bye bye.