 Rwy'n meddwl i'r cymdeithas o Atiku's running mate worsen, yng Nghymru yng Nghymru's Democratic Party Board of Trustees, Sen. Walid Jibrin, sef y party had set up a nine-member committee to beg Govnaw Wike. Now, sequel to his victory at the PDP Convention, where he beat Wike and other contenders to the presidential ticket, former vice-president Atiku Abubaka had nominated Govnaw Kola as his running mate, despite the recommendations of Wike by a 17-man committee set up by the party. Now, the party had raised another panel headed by Atiku to pacify the aggrieved Govnaw and prevail on him not to leave the party. Your joining me to discuss this development are Ezekiel Nghymru, Tokyo's ADC Govnorship Candidate in Acwybom State, and Charles O2, a political analyst also, Michael Cymigl, who is a media consultant. Thank you so much, gentlemen, for being part of the conversation. Thanks for having us. Great. I'm going to start with you, Mr Nghyto. This is interesting. The matter keeps brewing. As at last week, I was privileged to speak to the former special advisor to the Govnaw of River State, Mr Chris Itamonola, and he did speak about how he felt his principle had been treated as to the dropping of Wike and the preference of the Govnaw of Delta State, Govnaw Fanyokowa, after a 17-man committee had picked he, Wike, to be a runner with the former vice president. Now, it's a matter that many have said was something done in bad taste, and many would argue that the party's flag bearer does have a choice in picking whoever he thinks would work better with him. But do you think that Govnaw Wike was poorly or badly treated? The very first thing I would like to tell us is that we are coming to a point where you need to draw the line between politics and governance. Now, Mr Attiku is in a very tight situation because at his age, and a man who has wished so long to be the president of Nike, it's suddenly keep turning on him that there's something called posterity, and that posterity will come not from winning an election, but by good governance and creating an impact. On account of this, he's had to make a difficult choice as to who his running mate would be. Politically, it is expedient that he picks a man like Mr Wike because he seems to enjoy the good will of the party understandably. At a stage, Wike was effectively the national chairman, he was effectively the national secretary, and he was effectively the spokesperson of the PDP. He was a one-man riot squad. So if you want to think in terms of reward, he more than deserves to be so rewarded. But if you look at governance, and I am a governorship candidate, and I'm thinking of the sort of question that I would like to have for a deputy governor, when you define that, he has to be somebody who knows that playing the second fiddle is not out of place. In fact, as much as thinking of being the leader is an affair for a deputy governor, and the same goes for a vice president. Within that context, we all know that Mr Wike has all it takes to fit in the mold of a leader. He would have been a good presidential candidate. He is in control, in charge, he knows what he wants to do, he goes for it. Imagine a situation, him seeing what he would want to do, and his principal says, no, no, no, I don't want it that way. Mr Wike is not going to take any of that. So within that context, I think that has informed just suppose that with a man like Mr Okowa. Incidentally, Mr Okowa happens with somebody I know so well, he would be an excellent vice president because he is a very humble person and he's an extremely wise person. He is one who is not extremely opinionated and he is someone who knows how to get down and get the work done. He is not one who seeks attention. So in the whole of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, if I was to recommend one person and he would accept that recommendation, that person would be Mr Okowa because of these things are put. He understands what it means to be loyal. He was there when he was secretary to government and he worked under my very good friend, the former governor, and I know the meetings are attended with him and have fed to his boss with all act of loyalty. So I think that the PDP should, there's absolute need for Mr Okowa to be, to be pacified. He deserves a act of classification and at the risk of giving other parties, you know that I'm in a different party, at the risk of giving them the same plan, I would say that in the larger of interest of any possibility of them getting into power, they are better off by miles with Mr Okowa as the vice president. Okay, I'm coming to you now Michael. Why should a whole political party set up a committee to appease, for the ones of a better word, beg the governor of River State? I mean there are other people who participated in that election and of course he lost out. Many would say he was treated badly. Some other people say oh but at least he should have reached out to him even though he was not going to pick him as a running mate. But all of this you know should be done hush hush but now it's becoming a big deal and then we're hearing subtle threats as to what might be the result of this but I'm asking why do you think a Governor Wiki needs to be appeased? Thank you very much Mary. Good evening everybody. It speaks to the dishonesty and gross arrogance of the PDP presidential candidate you know that this situation has gotten to this level. It's also misleading the position of you know the first speaker because you see when you break glassware and end it you could mend it to use it again but it will never be the same and this thing that's occurring in PDP is like deja vu because the same thing happened in 2018. The rumors were that the agreement had been taken by a module for vice president and then suddenly Peter Orby was selected and if you remember there was a lot of controversy arising from that situation that hurt the party you know in the southeast. Why would you set up a committee? Why would you even allow a committee to be set up if you weren't going to take the recommendation? If you have the power to just select your VP then you might as well have done it without you know giving anybody any false hope and if you had made up your mind along the line for whatever reason I wouldn't pick this guy anymore. VK has done enough in the party to deserve respect to be told look I'm not going to pick you for this and this and this reason you know that's the least you could do for a man of his caliber. I also do not agree with this stereotype that VK would not make a good follower you know in the context of VP because I think VK has been in some state or so before in this same country and he did not have any issues with his minister. I think that the man is more pragmatic than given credit for apart from that this fear that VK would be too much a handful for his boss is misguided because the Nigerian by the constitution, Niger's president is the most powerful in the world you know and as there are the position of the vice president is well taken care of he has his own responsibilities and duty. I do not think that VK would have posed the kind of problem that people assume he would have posed but by and large the process by which they have arrived here is the problem well I feel for VK he's a very loyal party man and I don't see him going being able to go anywhere else perhaps it could be why he has been treated this way oh he has no choice at the end of the day will beg him you know stay sorry to him you would accept and then we move on but it's a danger to these things in 2019 I was with the article camp you know and there was a lot of betrayal from in-house and some of it you know was created by issues like this. You can beg a man and he can tell you yes let's hope that when he says yes that he means it and works with you without sabotaging you behind your back thank you. Miss Oto I'm coming to you now just stemming from what Michael is saying here talking about the fact that VK may not go anywhere now some people would say look he has a river stage to win let's not forget as we speak river stage is a PDP state if he were to move to another stage to another party I'm wondering what party that would be what are the chances that he would be able to win river state let's not also forget that the the former minister of transportation is the leader of the APC in the state and there has been an ongoing struggle for the soul of river state. I also want to go back to what I said at the beginning I spoke with a former aide of the governor and he said categorically that the governor was treated badly and whatever his decision is they will stand by it solely meaning it could be we could read all kinds of meanings to it but I'm asking you what's kind of threat does a VK pose if he decides to leave the PDP. Thank you very much thank you so much to my fellow discussants in the studio. The issue about PDP and VK is that of you will literally say that the party is plaguing on him and they hold out the ticket that is what he called back and that's if you watched the reactions of the governor will say so far you could see a man who like the last speaker said was just literally for all that he has stood for in the party he is forced to record there are times the same ticket holder that he called back that was in Dubai for months and there are too much fights too much arguments too much need to show opposition for the PDP to show opposition so it will not be a party as it is seen now that failed as a government party and also in opposition it was wicked that to be bold because I'm stood by the party and wicked a challenge the status quo in those very prime moments and the migrants will not forget that neither will the people of reverse state do. Now for VK who will know his artist is that who will know his character is now who will know his personality that is a man who if he decides to take a plunge he does it so defensively and go ahead and do it. For such a man you cannot be asking the party position it was so much threats of course even if he decides to just work for the governorship candidate of the party which is what I will say is what is keeping some of the governors of PDP now even if he decides to work for the PDP to the sake of success of there is no amount of a begging that will let VK devote himself the way I see him you know committed the PDP. It is also an PDP it is not into power but what is in it for him is important for me the action of the PDP and to start up a committee to plead with him is for me the latest because if you do take the money to cognizance it is very cognizant you must have heard the post where people were saying look the PDP stakeholders some of them are saying that VK is too candid, too loud-mattered, is too noisy and yet these are the policies that the opposition needed to keep a check on the real party. So if he provided those values in the time of the PDP it was only for that even if for any reason the PDP was pet to dust him aside the way they have done for VK that he should have taken it to cognizance. This committee that is coming now should have gone ahead to ever say there is no contest that this is what is in it for you and we feel without taking that. Let me come back to you Mr Nyaitug. Still talking about the dangers that this might pose for the party the first committee was set up the second now is being headed by the party's flag bearer talking about former vice president Tikuw Abubaka. Now Michael made a case saying that this is a form of arrogance on the part of the former vice president and he's seen this play out before could this cost the PDP that position that seat that is very in fact the most coveted as we speak right now for 2023. Mr Nyaitug you need to unmute yourself so we can hear you. I noticed I was muted. Thank you. When you look at the current trend of events in Nigeria I think that PDP is just trying to put the nail on the coffin. This a complete mindset change and PDP had enough time to move into the gap that was created by the ineptitude and lackluster governance of APC. Now people were just sick tired. The current wave for the third you know what we call the dead force which I would rather refer to as the alternate force is on account of how unhappy people really are the APC. Now that was enough time for PDP to rebrand itself reposition itself in the minds of the people where we are tired of politics you know my used to say there is too much rise in this sand there is too much what we are supposed to have as governance is politics just spiced with some some governance here and there instead of governance with some bits of politics in there and PDP has not been able to give the Nigerian nation that animation of a new body that is willing to go in the new direction and take us out from this ignoble position of the poverty capital of the world. Now that was bad enough for them to have this internal crisis is something that for me is just taking themselves out very easily. APC have already taken themselves out because of antecedents. What will you campaign on continuity continuing what? So I think that PDP is losing that possibility of coming up as look at what happened in equity. It is almost unthinkable that PDP could not even come second. I mean it's unthinkable. So I think that what is going on now I don't know if there's a lot of but what I know for a fact is that a lot of people at the highest level are talking very very silently to those of us in the alternate forces you know. I don't want to be too particular about my party ADC and I can tell you one or two things directly because I'm directly involved but right down to the state levels people are just disenchanted with this PDP APP thing and the least you can do is at least give us a list of tools. I think we're having a feedback there from somebody so I do not know who's TV is on it's affecting our conversation so please kindly mute yourself so we can hear what Missing Eitwch is saying. Missing Eitwch can you quickly wrap up on your thoughts? Yeah basically that that PDP has failed to take advantage of an open field that they had account of a very terrible governance of APC nationally and down to life and on account of that the third force or the alternate force are coming up and they are making the waves because adjuwans are tired so PDP is not helping itself to show a good showing at least coming second or so with all the internal wranglins that they're having. Michael the party certain persons in the party are saying are pushing for a replacement of Govno Coa with a Govno wiki which seems like a mirage for some and some are saying this if this were even to be a case if this were to be the solution to the problem that can this one way or the other solidify the place of the PDP in retaining the presidency at the end of the day come 2023 or could it cost further crisis within the party if a replacement was even thought of in the first instance? Oh well it's a it's a horrible situation for the PDP replacing the VP now places them in a horrible situation with you know Ocoa and his own people because every politician has his lawyer support us too you know like Mr Nyaituk is an admirer of Ocoa for instance you know they might take away from this is that the PDP has shown that it also has a critical decision-making problem so either way now as it is they are they are really really in in hot soup um in a way I'm glad because this demystifies the the the aura of perfection you know and safety that supporters have tried to you know paint around their candidates you know now we know that the PDP a presidential candidate is human um it's not a sense can have problems making solid decisions and also has a little bit of a an integrity problem I must say you know I don't wish the party well I wish well my my position is with Nigerians and whoever the best leader you know four Nigerians will be I pray such a person being at the post next year but the PDP do not have my sympathy either way wiki or coa now it's a very messy situation for them all right finally um mr O2 um where do you see this going um I mean whether the committee has come to an agreement of sorts but we've seen many presidential aspirants or rather candidates visit with governor wiki and many people ask the question um if governor wiki will ever move to these parties or what these people are courting him for but what do we see how do we see this play out let's do a little prediction game here how does this play out at the end of the day does this work out in the interest of the PDP uh or I mean looking at the body language of that committee being led by former vice vice president atiku or do we see going in different way knowing that you know surprises always happen when it's leading up to an election cycle you need to unmute yourself quickly okay thank you very much maryan the situation the PDP has found itself so much agreed some of the predictions of us are made earlier uh maybe the party was more desperate to uh instead of maybe positioning themselves for acceptability wider acceptability the party was more interested in still doing this the old way in the old order in the old fashion of health without who breaks what and who takes what and then for for me like the last week I said uh I really don't have my sympathy yes whichever way goes what is certain is that the good way that should have come from the PDP ticket from the start that is that that could have come to article the way the party had it in 2019 may not be on the way it may not come because essentially you check the artists of uh if you have if you have the article for herself so you're saying that even I'm sorry so you're saying that even with anokowa who seems to um not just be in delta but is able to reach out to the southeast just saying that there is not enough goodwill with anokowa on that ticket for anartiku especially in the south is that what you're into meeting well I don't see a goodwill I don't even see a goodwill on that because ebos have been saying it honestly we have done it to the ears of anybody who wants to listen who cares to listen that ebos should not play a second set of is this election okay and if if anokowa is evil as you believe it is I'm asking ebos to give you the kind of support they get to repeat to be best presented as articles that present to 2019 he will certainly not get it because so people is in the ticket okay okay and then ebos are ready to rush in swim and taste with him so as to at least prove the point that they can be really best political so at the end at the end of the situation at the end of the whole deal in 2023 I see a pity pity pity I see a loose loose scenario for the pity because of the correct is great as well this it's all the fantasies the fact that people were correct in the details that have the pity pity looked into this constitution and sold officially his presidential position to the southeast perhaps it could have it could have had a very bit you you may say that it is finally because we have to go okay well I want to say thank you gentlemen is equaling it because the ADC governorship candidate in a quybym stage chow's auto is a political analyst and Michael a chimagru is a media consultant thank you so much gentlemen fingers crossed we keep our eyes on the developments within the people's democratic party thank you thanks for having us thank you all right well thank you all for staying with us we'll take a quick break when we come back we will be discussing the quan quaso pital beast situation he's saying he's offering him a position of the vice president ahead of the 2023 election stay with us