 Like when I walk in the cows, I'll do this a lot. I'll just turn them around and almost act like I'm settling just a little bit. So they listen and get used to me turning them around and just with the cows rather than just dry working and just seems like it makes them pay a little more attention like when you make your cuts and stuff like that rather than just doing the dry work all the time. There's something in front of them and they kind of have to figure out where you're going and what you want them to do. Here I'm going to go up to it, pull them around and then give that cows up there and give them somewhere to go. I do that a lot so they have somewhere to go because it seems like very easy to get them bound up and they won't go anywhere but all I've got here I'll just turn them around again, which that cow didn't go anywhere, you know, walk him by it, go walk him by it here again and you can kind of see how he'll free yourself up but he's also catching the cow in the middle of that turn. You know sometimes people think you know swooping back and forth like this it makes them move big, well it does but it also makes them think about catching that cow in the middle because you're walking them by it and like I think when a cow takes a hold I let him have it and even though I'm using two hands I'm not really doing much but I'll pull him through there. Right there he feels a little funny on this side so I'm going to turn him around rather than backing him and holding him and doing all that, give him somewhere to go even though that cow beat me. I do a lot of this because it seems like the softer they are especially these studs there's a fine line of doing too much is not enough right there. Well I have to work the cow because I'm not a good button and you know putting all that stuff on I've got to use the cow for these and it just seems like it makes them think better and move better and when the cow is more involved you know and when I even like my show horses I do a lot of this too. I keep everything very simple and you know as you've watched Lloyd a million times his isn't real complicated either and it's just all about what's in front of him whether it's a flag or a cow whatever it might be and if they'll attach to that it seems like everything works itself out like I'll work the flag at a walk. I'll go with that cow, I'll keep going to get a little on and pull him across, I'll keep going to go a little far out there, right there the cow is going to beat me I'm not going to run to go catch it, keep him comfortable, right there he stopped in a good spot, there's just a little stiff back through this one way.