 Okay, good morning, everyone. Welcome to our mentoring hour. Let's begin this time with a word of prayer May I just want to invite maybe John? Can you please lead us in prayer? Pasaroshan? Yes, sure. Yeah, thanks Father we come before you today. Father, we thank you for your grace and your mercy, your kindness, for our lives We thank you for faithfulness that sustains us every day Even as we are gathered together in your name The question is being asked Thank you for everything that you're doing Amen, amen. Thank you, Pasaroshan All right, so we keep this time open So feel free to please share your questions And your thoughts your learnings We can either unmute and ask your questions or you can post your questions on the chat as well But I think last week towards the end of the session we got a question, but Uh, you didn't really Yes Yes, Dina has put the question on the chat Um, is it right for married couples to have their conjugal rights when they are fasting? So last week this question came in and We didn't have time to answer this question. So Uh, yes, our faculty is here. Uh, so would any one of us please be willing to Share some light on this question, please Pasarashish, uh Um, thank you master. Yeah, yeah, so The, you know, I guess the place to go to is first Corinthians chapter seven Where uh Paul gives us instruction and he says, you know, uh, don't deprive each other Except when you are fasting So the implication is that while they are fasting, they're not Engaging In their conjugal rights or their sexual relationship and then they come back together After that time of fasting So that's first Corinthians chapter seven. I think it's the first four verses Thank you so much. Thank you so much faster. Yeah Or first five. Yeah Unless time to see her Seven one two five. Yeah, okay Right. Thank you so much faster Yes, so we'll continue to leave this time open for questions We'd like to You know, it could even be things that you have, you know, been learning over the past A week or over the past month and holy spirit has been teaching you something if there's something that you'd like to share with us or Throughout the courses that you're studying questions Feel free to ask us now Paul would you like to share? About what you've been learning over the past week You know what the Lord has been teaching you and Something that you know God is ministering to you over the week or over the month over the recent times Would you like to share your thoughts? Hello Yes, go ahead Paul I wanted to understand the difference between the holy spirit and the holy ghost They the same are they different? When should we use the word holy ghost and when should we use the word holy spirit? I don't understand them Okay, thank you Paul for that question The the word holy the words the holy spirit and the holy ghost is the same uh, the older version the king james version Usually refers to the holy ghost and the holy spirit The the words the holy spirit and the holy ghost is the same person uh, so it's just different translations which Which indicate, uh, you know holy ghost and holy spirit But it is uh referred to the same the person the third person of the trinity Uh, would any other any other faculty you'd like to add their thoughts on this? I'm not from any form Yeah, yes Paul. So, uh, it's the same would do you have any follow-up question with that? Uh, no, I now understand Yes, all right. Thank you Yes, uh, we continue to leave this time open feel free to share questions Yes, go ahead. Nicholson. Have you raised your hand? Yeah, hi. Good morning Morning everyone. I just wanted to ask with regard to Am I audible? Yes, you are audible. Thank you. Yeah, so I was just reading x chapter six where it talks about the seven who were chosen to serve The Holy Spirit and applying that into choosing volunteers for people who serve our church I this is a personal take on it. Of course when it comes to volunteering somehow I feel there's like a little bit of a gray area when we see Say if we want someone who we may think is not a strong believer We say drawing the ushering team, but when it comes to like the Holy Spirit I'm some of the worship team or the ministry team Then of course we know why we say you need to be filled with the Holy Spirit and more built up, but As per acts chapter six we see even the simplest of Teams they were required to be filled with the Holy Spirit. So How do we go about this? Is this it would be great to have them all filled by the Holy Spirit But is there a line where so that's part one of the question do they have to be filled with the Holy Spirit Part two would be I've seen quite a few worship leaders Use that as a way of ministry now, which is the right ways Some people use They may not have the best lifestyle But there are still people in the worship team and slowly they change And become strong believers it goes either way And some churches have the rule that you have to be a certain Firm foundation believer to be part of the worship team. So that would be questioned through Where do you draw that line? Right. Yes. Thank you so much. Nikki for that question I will just try to answer the first one and then go to the second part of your question So the first part of Nikki's question was in acts seven It was it was time to you know, the the widows were feel were failing that they were being ignored And so they decided to choose seven Men full of the Holy Spirit and their task was menial, which was just to serve food. So Nikki's question is Even during even now when we choose volunteers Maybe if it's for you know in terms of ushering or Sound and setup team Nikki's question is Do they have to be filled with the Holy Spirit? Because we know that if there is you know volunteers needed for maybe Sharing the word or worship team, they have to be filled with the Holy Spirit. But what about these? You know smaller teams, do they need to be filled with the Holy Spirit? So Could one of our faculty please throw some light on this? Ashes, would you mind sharing the thoughts? Thank you, please Yeah, so just from I guess from what You know, we've been able to learn over this last 20 some years here on APC When it comes to so Even among volunteers and people serving in church, we draw a distinction between Those who are directly involved in a spiritual form of ministry and those who are involved in the helps type of ministry So spiritual form of ministry Would of course do with preaching teaching the word leading a life group being involved in worship Anything that that involves You know ministering to people in a spiritual manner, which includes worship, of course so for that We definitely want to Keep higher standards and and paul Gives that I'm just typing this here first Timothy three one two one two seven so Here first Timothy three one two seven he talks about Bishop bishop is a spiritual overseer. So in any form of spiritual oversight Whether it's a life group on to you know overseeing a church or a congregation or spiritual ministry children's church All these are spiritual there. We have to have You know our requirements, of course will be much stronger stricter They have to have the spiritual required spiritual Standing Along with the practical side is example worship means of course they you know You have your audition and you see that they are of a certain level etc Then when it comes to the helps type of ministry where you know paul refers The new testament calls this deacons That means they're not directly involved in spiritual ministry, but they're helping in the church any kind of whether it's in asha whether it's You know parking lot or doing power point, whatever these all helps type of ministry There again first Timothy three eight to 13 the requirements are there. That means their life testimony has to be good But it's not stringent on the spiritual side because you're not directly spiritually Imparting something to people. They're just helping in the church. So there again life testimony is important but You're not looking so much on the spiritual capacity So to answer your question in both these cases, you know life testimony is important you You and at the same time we want to be welcoming to people so And and the other thing we also also learned is that you know any volunteer actually The church and reflects back on the church, you know, for example When I'm just giving the kind of problems we face in church And suppose we have a girl who's wearing sleeveless and she is you know going around as an asha I'm sure on monday. I'll get an email or a phone call Faster we saw this girl. She's wearing sleeveless in church and she was an asha In our minds. Hey at least she's come to church to be an asha but People look at that as a reflection of the church And this has happened. I mean many times, you know Just because of the the clothes that person is wearing We'll get a call or a message or an email Somebody just serving communion somebody taking offering somebody standing and greeting people You know, we we take all this like, you know, we want to support we want to encourage these people to serve But the way the congregation sees it is these people are representing the church Even if they're standing there to greet people, you know, they're representing the church They're a volunteer and so they expect a certain standard in outward form and you know in Of course in life testimony and so on and so I think To answer question We should Uh Follow the biblical standard. So it's in first Timothy three Versus one to one to thirteen for spiritual ministry and for helps ministry. That's that's a standard given question the bible We want to be welcoming to people But even as we welcome people we let them know that look, this is a responsibility Even if you're serving as a greeter you're actually representing God and The the work of the ministry to the people. So now we expect these standards and and And then the other side is, you know, depending on the nature of ministry you look out for The spiritual capabilities now acts six is somewhat confusing because Well, these people are only serving food But why is the requirement? They should be full of wisdom and the holy spirit all they're doing serving food, you know, it's just a helps ministry But I think in that situation there was not only serving food, but there was also the Dealing with the problem of You know, the the situation was where they the hebrew speak the hebrew speaking believers and the greek speaking believers were there was tension there and I think So While serving food is just a simple helps thing The you know, they needed people You know with this full of the spirit and wisdom given the situation they needed people that way now we don't we shouldn't take that and Mandate it for every kind of helps ministry Because when you come later to 1st Timothy 3 8 to 13 that describes health ministry and you know, there's no mention of You know the spirit I mean meaning other than life testimony is not saying they should be filled with the spirit and wisdom So I think we can be a little relaxed in that sense. I hope that answers Nikki, I'm just Very clear. Thank you All right, thank you so much faster for that detailed answer So Nikki, you may have to help me with the second part of your question You said that there will be people who will You know be joining the worship team and During the course of their being volunteers in the worship team You know, they they get more inclined towards The working of the holy spirit and there's a change in their hearts. So can you help me with the second part of your question, please? Sure. Thank you. I think pasta answer it already with the first thing. So It's pretty clear the spiritual aspect of All right, that's fine. That's fine. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Right. Oh, yes. So we'll continue to leave this time open Please feel free to post your questions or you can unmute and ask your questions as well right, uh, there was a question that Uh came up in one of our sessions Pasta, I would just like to ask this question You know, uh, one of the students had asked me this and I was not really sure of the answer the question was During the time when Daniel was Daniel and Shadrach Meshach Abednego. They were taken into captivity into Babylon Uh history Said that in the article that the student read said that, uh, you know, usually the people who were taken Into Babylon as captors were You know, they were castrated and then they were, you know, asked to work in Babylon and so His question was Is that the reason why Daniel did not get married and have children? Could that be one of the reasons? I did not have any historical proof or any bible verse to support that so Maybe any one of us faculty if you have any thoughts on this Free to share your thoughts, please Yeah, well, I'm just like you. I I don't have any bible. I mean historical information But if that was true, then yeah, that's an obvious conclusion you know, if they were but Practically, I can't imagining them doing this to all the Jewish captives You know, there were thousands of people taking captives to Babylon. So practically, I don't think They would do it I mean if if it was done Just for the selected people who are supposed to be trained in the You know the nebuchadnezzar's court. Maybe that's more practical And if if that was actually done historically, then yeah, that's an obvious conclusion Yeah, but I think uh, he shouldn't break her heads on something like that Thank you. Thank you Right. Avni has got a question Pastor needs some light on first Corinthians 15 29 to 30. Please right. Let's just get that First Corinthians chapter 15 29 and 30 It's looking for the worse Okay, thanks Diana for putting up the worse right so the worst says otherwise What will they do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead do not rise at all Why then are they baptized for the dead verse 30? And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour? Yes So Avni, thank you for the question Is there anything particular on these two verses that you're looking at or you just wanted some Your thoughts on this Yes, what it says about Why will they do who are baptized for the dead and why are the People who are alive taking baptism For the dead Okay, that is what I didn't understand Right. Thank you. Thank you Avni for that question. Right. We'll leave this question open any of our faculty. Please feel free to Throw some light on this please Yeah, I'll just respond to that In one contains 15 actually paul is addressing an issue of Yeah, he's just reiterating the fact that jesus died for our sins and he rose again You know, um, so he's I mean he's giving all these You know all the facts all the Proof of the fact that he after he if you read through one contains 15 you see that, you know He was buried and when one contains 15 and verse 4 he talks about how he was buried he rose again according to the scriptures and and Because people where some of them were saying that he did not rise again Okay, so he's giving all the proofs of Who are the witnesses and and and you know the first part of it and then he comes to So he's he's giving, you know one by one If christ is not risen then your faith is futile and you are still in your sins You know, so they can't be your teaching that christ is Christ did not rise from the dead. So while addressing that he comes to this verse 29 and then he says He he seems to be it's not very clear, but he seems to be referring to some practice that was there While you know, there seems to be some form of you know a baptism for the sake of the ones who had probably not baptized but who died While not he's not You know subscribing to that practice, but he's saying, you know Even if you look at that, you know, why are people doing that? Because they have some hope that there is a resurrection You know, he's he's referring to that some practice. It was in nowhere. Do we see uh, paul actually affirming that or subscribing to that practice, but he refers to that That maybe some practice that was happening there and he's saying, you know, even if you look at that Um, they are doing it with the hope that there will be a resurrection. You know, that is why they are doing it. So And then he comes to that goes, if the dead do not rise at all, why then, you know, are they doing it? So um, so his point there is to Is to reiterate the fact that there is There is a resurrection that christ did rise from the dead and uh, then because of that we have hope And so on. So so that's the reason he's You know, he's referring to that practice. Um I'm not sure if there's any other extra biblically evidence of this kind of a practice in cordon. Probably if someone else can add Thank you Thank you so much faster jakes. Uh, yes, anyone else would like to add Mr. Ashish Mr. Selina, Mr. Nancy Thank you pass paul and thank you avani for your question. I think this, uh, whole thing of being, uh, Of uh, people be baptizing the dead is something that paul is looking at People outside the church who are doing it and just like Pastor jake said they do this because it indicates that they have some confidence In the life that is after that But paul is nowhere teaching about This practice about baptizing the dead Uh, but he's just pointing out to people who are doing it outside the church And I think in verses 30 to 32 Uh paul is just talking about his own life where the he's talking about the sacrifices He's making the dangers. He suffers Uh, and you know that he has to he's uh facing that almost every day Uh, and uh, he's saying this that he's also You know facing a lot of opposition He's also fought wild animals at Ephesus And he's saying, you know, why do I have to endure all of this? If I don't believe that I will be resurrected From the dead one day and I will have the I hope have the hope of Eternal life. So if you don't have that hope then, uh, you know, we can just live life Based on the here and now we don't have You know, uh, if we don't have that hope there's no point in going through all these struggles So paul is saying going through all these struggles and these difficulties because I have this eternal hope this assurance Um That I will receive the crown of life that I will have this Hope that I will be resurrected Uh from this, uh, natural body into a spiritual body, which he talks about, you know, the incorruptible the imperishable The immortal body that he will receive and so he's not uh, anyway, uh, you know, uh Trying to say that, you know, we need to baptize the dead He's not for that kind of the teaching but he's just pointing to people outside the church But he's also talking about the assurance That we as believers have that we will be resurrected from the dead because christ is the first fruit of the resurrection And because he resurrected from the dead, we too will be resurrected I hope that answer helps Thank you pastor. He's not advocating that. Yes I was not able to get the right word. Thank you pastor I hope it helped uh, uh, sister of any Yes, ma'am. Thank you so much. Oh, thank you Thank you, Avni Teisha has raised your hand. Please go ahead teisha Hi, good morning everyone pastor as um Pastor Selena was mentioned about the dead a question that I see persons ask and I've seen they're doing praying for the dead they um I know the bible says, um, jesus mentioned that the dead take care of the dead But praying praying for the dead should be we should we as christian be praying for the dead I know I have jewish print that they light their candles and they pray for the dead. They remember them But should we as christians pray for the dead? Thank you so much teisha for that question. Yes Pastor Nancy, would you mind please sharing your thoughts on this? Yeah, thank you teisha for the question. Thank you pastor paul So um from what we see in scripture teisha I think praying for the dead may not make any difference in their spiritual standing before god because we see in Hebrews 9 verse 27 we see that It is appointed for you know, man to die once after which Is judgment so whatever one does in their lifetime, you know, that is what determines their spiritual destiny and The way they will be Judged by god, you know during the judgment. So as those who are living I think what we can do is to remember the dead because we also see Forget exactly what that was it But uh, it's like the memory of a righteous man is blessed So to remember the dead to learn from their lives to You know celebrate the legacy that they've left behind that's a different thing which I think we can do And we should do because it's like honoring people Who who were part of your life? But beyond that you know praying for the dead doing rituals for the dead all those things have no Bases in scripture So yeah, I think I will leave it with that and I hope that answers your question teisha Yes, yes pastor, I thought so as well because I'm not particular about anything with the dead All right, but I didn't want to see him harsh, but I just I'm not for it. I'm sorry Um, another question I have if you would allow me Yes, please go ahead What if you are seeing the dead Now let me explain As I am gifted in prophetic and the Lord will will give me visions at different point, but I have and but I keep seeing a vision before of Two individuals. They are dead the daughter the grandma and the son One he committed suicide and they are I don't know how she died. I just heard she died But the member is of my care group Right, but the the family member they are dead. I don't know them. I didn't even know that this person was her mom I saw her on the road, but then she I just said I saw the picture under when they were doing the Memorial for her and I said oh, I knew that lady. She was your mom So I have no connections to them However, I spoke to a friend of mine in a buffet and he says I said, why is it I'm keep seeing the dead it constantly and I keep praying for the daughter I keep praying for the one that I know that is alive and praying and I saw She put up something that she's going through a rough time but a friend of mine was saying that it could be that the the the dead they they don't Permit the dead shouldn't be talking to you But it could be that they are saying they remembered that someone died and that was In Christ and but it's like their spirit came to them or something and say pray remember Remember my family in prayer, you know something like that So I immediately start praying for the family when I heard that and after I prayed for the family They I saw the boat dead. They kept the walk hand in hand and went away so I'm just asking the question. I'm asking is Is that as that ever happened to anyone before? Yeah, thank you so much there so for that question Personally to me it's not happened But yes, if any one of our faculty would please like to share your thoughts maybe experiences on this Pastor Ashish Yeah, thanks Thanks for sharing that now Now so I think there are two two separate things to think about here one is You know if you are and if we are in some way reminded about someone who's dead or Either God speaks to us about them in a dream or In a vision or something if we are some somewhat reminded us or you know Brought our attention to somebody who's dead If if it is from the Holy Spirit, then of course we need to look to the Holy Spirit To find out what he wants us to do right? So there could be Some examples of situations meaning There could be some unresolved matter that needs to be dealt with maybe the person needs to release You know they're holding grudge against somebody and the person's already dead so That is I'm just giving you different scenarios or Maybe God is calling this person to take up a work that was unfinished by that person And get it done So so there are different reasons why God could the Holy Spirit could remind us of somebody Who has been dead but if it is So that's if it is really from the Holy Spirit But if it is somebody's own Emotions at work, which would happen in the case where I'm not saying in this particular case that you spoke about but I'm just talking in general If there's somebody's lost a loved one or a close friend, of course Remembrance of the dead may not necessarily be from the Holy Spirit It's just their own emotions at work and that needs time to you know, you need time to let go and all of that So that's one part of it when when when we are reminded or our attention is brought to somebody who's dead Be and the Lord is doing it then we ask the Lord Lord. Why are you Doing this and what is the purpose behind it? And then we follow through on what the Lord wants us to do But the second part separate part so in your case if the you know, if the Lord has been Bringing this to you then the right thing to do is to ask the Lord Lord. What do you want me to do? Concerning this person. Do I need to minister to that person? who out to that family who Has lost the grandma and the other person and I think he mentioned one of them went away by suicide So do I need to minister to that family? Is there something? You know that needs to be done for that family for that household or maybe for an individual in that family In relation to you know, people have passed on So maybe the Lord is you know wanting some work to be done and which probably you already did through your praying So the great response that you took was you prayed and you may have prayed in the spirit for the individual or the household or the family To bring certain closure or healing or you know to deal with certain work in that family In relation to people of past on and so so that's a good thing you did but the other part which is I think I would defer is You see When people die the spirits don't move around on earth, right? The spirits go either to God if they're a believer the spirit goes to the Lord And second if they're not believers the spirit goes to hell Hades hell So the spirits don't move around here. The spirits don't have any means to contact us here Nothing of that So that's where you know when you mentioned that somebody said the spirit may be Coming in reminding you that would not be true. It's you don't find that Supported in scripture Because if you know the spirits either going to the Lord that they're going to hell So I would leave that part out But definitely the way you responded to the situation in prayer. I think is a correct response I hope that helps Yes, boss. I was trying to unmute. Thank you Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for that question Thank you pastor for sharing your thoughts Yes, Charles has Put up a question here Okay, so, uh, maybe this question has been asked but I need more clarity. It's about 1st Corinthians chapter 3 Versus 13 and 14 What will happen to a born again person? Sorry, Charles. Would you mind unmuting and asking the question? Uh What's Corinthians 3 13 and 14? All right. Um, thank you so much pastor. Um, I'm asking about these when a poor writes and says, um Things will be tried by fire Things will be tried by fire and that there are those that whose Box will be tested and and tried and When the survive fire, they will be given a reward and those that will be burnt Will be saved but they will not get a reward. I I would like to have some more clarity about Those verses. Okay about that part of the chapter Yes, thank you so much Charles for clarifying that I'll just add a few thoughts and then leave it open to our faculty as well Here paul is writing To the believers and he's talking about you know The the judgment the judgment day of christ where we all as believers will stand before the lord and When we stand before the lord We will have we'll give an account of our work So our works will be tested and so paul is writing there And he's saying our works will be tested by fire uh, and he gives the example of uh wood hay and Gold And he says okay When you put it into fire the works our works will be tested by fire whether the works that we did Uh, was it out of the flesh? Uh, was it done so that you know to please somebody else or was it done? Because we love the lord because we want to serve the lord because we want to grow Um, uh, you know in the works of the holy spirit in our lives. So every work of every believer Uh, the lord will test it by fire Now the second part of your question is if anyone's work which has been built on end yours He uh, he will receive a reward So as the work has been tested the lord jesus will reward us now remember that the judgment seat of christ is uh, is is is the place where Only the believers will be uh will stand before the the throne of god and give an account of their lives um, so those works those who have served the lord faithfully Uh, and uh, you know and lived their life done the ministry faithfully their works will be endured meaning they will receive a reward but those in the sense that does not You know, the the work has been tested, but it's not really You know, there's not much of a reward, but they shall be saved by grace in the sense that you know, there will be times when Maybe somebody or you know a believer has You know served in the ministry, but uh, the reason for serving could be that you know, he wanted he or she there could be wrong reasons and because of that There there was there'll be no reward, but through god's grace that person Will be saved. Uh, so uh, I'll leave it at that maybe any other faculty can any other faculty can please share Your thoughts on this first Corinthians 3 13 to 14 master jakes Selena and see Yeah, thank you paul just to add to what uh, mr. Paul shared the context in which You know, this verse is there is is actually paul is actually referring to the ministers of god and Who are actually ministering in current like apollos and and syphas and so on and there seems to be a you know, kind of a Sectarianism that's happening people, you know pulling in different directions and saying i'm of paul I'm of apollos and so on so paul is clarifying that and he's saying, you know, who is paul? Who's apollos and while he does that No, he says, you know, we're all part of the same team one waters one source one waters But god is the one who gives increase But then he talks about his work how he lays the foundation and the foundation being the lord jesus He's talking about, you know, uh, be careful how one builds on that foundation You know the kind of work that you do the kind of ministry that you do and the kind of materials that you Use, you know, he's talking about the kind of efforts It is the ministry of the way in which you minister to the church or to the to the people I mean here in this context Is it of lasting value? Is it will it stand the test of time? Will it stand in that day? When it says by fire, so we're saying, you know, are you using some substantive materials to Build the lives of people, you know, will it be of eternal value? So he's talking about all that and then says, you know, the work will be clear in the sense You know, will it stand on that day will the whatever effort whatever work that you put in You know, was it to build the person up to make the person strong and was it You know, will it will it stand? So, um, just wanted to add that And and and of course the reward based on whether the work Is is of eternal value whether it stands Thank you Thank you so much pastor jakes. Uh, Charles I hope that answers your question Oh, thank you so much brethren Thank you, Charles Right, we have a couple of minutes more. Uh, so feel free to Uh, you know unmute ask your question. Can you also post your question on the chat? Please go ahead john But this is uh from second quarter things after 10 Initial couple of verses So My question is so in verse four five We read about the weapons of our warfare The importance of forecasting on arguments and so on and verse six And being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled so Starting from verse one. I just wanted to get a connection Weapons of our warfare and The verse six Okay. Yeah. Thank you so much john for that question. Uh Yes, pastor ashish. Would you mind please sharing your thoughts? Yeah So, um, second Corinthians 10 One on through verse six and paul. Let me just look at that again I don't want to just speak off. Yeah so, um paul is uh yeah We use these verses often of course to talk about The weapons of our warfare and so on but I think if you look at the overall context um paul is addressing Issues in the Corinthian church and In that context he's bringing up these weapons of our warfare And uh and and of course the weapons of warfare are dealing with things in the mind, right? So it's not like we are pulling things up in the air But it's dealing with things in the mind. He's talking about strongholds casting down imaginations Bringing every thought captive to the obedience of christ so on and then he says uh Once that obedience In the Corinthian church has been established Then they can extend that to others They're having in readiness um To that's that's verse six Having in readiness to punish all disobedience When your obedience is fulfilled, right? So really the whole purpose of Engaging in this warfare spiritual warfare is bringing Believers to this place of obedience and when they are in that place of obedience. They're able to extend, you know Influence on other forms of disobedience Already being ready to punish all disobedience after your obedience is fulfilled so If you look at the whole picture what paul is telling what is paul is dealing with in the Corinthian church He's saying look there are a lot of these issues but god has given The weapons of warfare. So here in this case, it's uh paul and esteem and through those weapons. They're going to deal with these things that are operating in the mind in the midst of the believers and The whole purpose of that is to bring them to a place of obedience and then they can Work with him to punish disobedience If you read later on in in that same 10th chapter, you'll find that paul invites them To be part of extending later on to extending The ministry beyond the Corinthian church itself So that's again another context where he's saying and it's not having to do with warfare The mind but he's is inviting them to extend the ministry beyond their own that sphere of influence which included the Corinthians So to answer your question You know Many times we apply these verses at a personal level, you know pull down strongholds and all that which all of us is true But if you look at it in the context in which it was written paul is saying look, you know, he's got these he's got these situations to deal with in the Corinthian church But god's given weapons to deal with those things all of these things are in the mind They're dealing with thoughts imaginations reasonings arguments thoughts and He's able to extend that influence bring those thoughts capture so on ultimately resulting in obedience But you know, you cannot force obedience in the people of god You can facilitate obedience through spiritual warfare through praying through pulling down strongholds But they have to come into this place of obedience And when they are in a place of obedience then that can be extended to uh The regions beyond or beyond that church or beyond The people have come into obedience. They can bring the others who are in disobedience. They can bring them into obedience So that's kind of the train of thought In what he's writing So What what is the what is the takeaway? The takeaway is for us as spiritual leaders We can and we should extend our spiritual authority to deal with Things that are happening that disturbing the life of the church this way Right And many times I've done that when I see things happening I know this is this is the battle you're dealing with arguments reasons that are floating around So through prayer you deal with it so that people in the congregation there's You know, you're facilitating you're not overriding human will of course obedience always an act of will But through your exercise of spiritual authority You're enabled to bring people into alignment into a place of obedience and then that can be extended to others I I hope I explain that john Yes, boss. Thank you. Thank you so much Back to you Paul. Yes. Thank you so much john. Uh, all right. We've uh come to our to the end of the session Uh, let's just quickly close In prayer. Thank you niggilsen Uh Sharing the link for the book the refiner's fire. Thank you Right. Let's just close in prayer Father, we want to thank you so much for this wonderful time that you've given us where we could just come together and Lord Just ask questions and share our thoughts lord We pray that even as we continue today and the coming week that your holy spirit will Be with us lord to minister to bring guidance to bring comfort to bring revelation Into our hearts lord. I pray that you will be with each one of us And help us lord to grow from strength to strength from glory to glory Giving glory only to your name. We thank you lord in jesus name. We pray amen Right. Thank you everyone for joining this time. Uh, have a great day ahead. Uh, god bless Bye now