 Yeah, but this is fine with you. Let me just grab this one. Of course. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Got to drop that earlier. Not a problem. Pedra on top. That's the change. Time. Nice to meet you. I got a hobby where I talk to people about things that's trying to do the truth. Okay. It's not about an argument or a debate. It's really just a chance to give you an opportunity to think about why you believe what you believe. Okay. Is there a belief that you feel, what's like the most absolute belief that you have? Like something you know you can't be wrong about. Is there anything like that for you? Yeah, definitely. Give me it. But is it possible for me to ask you first a question? Please. It's because I'm very interesting. I think this is, street epistemology is so important for the world right now. So how would you equate for me to understand better the Socratic method with street epistemology? Do you think that, what are the... Just want to make sure we're working with the same definitions. Yeah, yes. When you say Socratic method. I'm envisioning, or I define that as a teaching method to teach people things by asking questions. I see. And letting them reach their conclusions. I see. Whereas for SE, that's strictly for me, a conversational tool to use among other conversational tools to help someone assess if the method that they use is reliable. I see. Okay. It's nuanced. And there's a lot of people who say they're exactly the same thing. I've been doing it long enough where I'm like, I feel like they're not. I feel like I'm not trying to teach you that you're wrong. I'm trying to understand why you're right. And if we can't get there together, then that's something that SE is really good to show. Whereas Socratic is, I know what the answer is, but I'm going to ask you questions so that you figure out the answer that I know. I see. I see. And it's not necessarily just that. Another analogy is like, there used to be Darwinian evolution. Darwin wrote a book or wrote a thesis that's like, this is what evolution is, guys. I'm a biochemist. We don't use that model of evolution anymore. We use it as a foundation. But we throw in some additional things like genes, bacteria, things that Darwin couldn't have in his time to know about. We've evolved the idea of evolution to like this brand new thing. And I feel like SE is the evolution of the Socratic method. It's not just a teaching tool. It's strictly a good way to help both parties understand why we believe what we believe. So in the process of asking questions and doing a conversation with epistemology, there's a person that is always asking questions or there's another person that is just answering or there's a kind of a conversation. Not necessarily. Okay. Typically what's presented is a belief claim. I see. And now we both have that belief claim. And now we're working together to try to figure out why that belief claim happens. And like kind of like what I did with Mike, I might throw in some additional opinions on there as well, but it's in the interest of both of us trying to come to a better understanding. And one of two things, like I said, typically happened. Either we find something even better, like we find like a really great method to that conclusion. We're like, we discovered something awesome together. This is great. Like what we just did right now, like let's make a discord channel where we can talk about atheism, help people, and also find it. Or we don't have a method to reach that conclusion and we'll discover that together. Typically at the same time. And the conversation is not like, aha, I figured it out. It's more of like, if you can work on this, I'm happy to work on it with you. But until then, I'm not going to pressure you for an answer. Great chat. Something to think about. And then we walk away. And if they can't figure out a good methodology, they might drop that method entirely. Or at least drop it to a realm where they can justify it. And I'm fine with that too. And if anything, they just won't be as absolute anymore. I see. And I like that open-mindedness. That is beautiful. That is... Wow, man. No, seriously. That is something so much needed. And you can do it in about five minutes. It's actually going to be an effective, you know, conversational tour in a short time. So you guys have developed kind of a system in order to learn this approach of street epistemology. Or is that kind of the personal approach that permeates the system? Or there's a system that then applies to the business? It's less of a system and more of a target. Typically when you have arguments or debates, you are strictly talking about a person and like, why do you believe this? How can you come to this conclusion? Don't you know that makes you blank? How could you ever possibly do this versus the conclusion? Why would anyone believe this? Don't you know what this does? This causes XYZ. This is harming the planet. If you believe this, you're a terrible person. So like person conclusion, person conclusion, person conclusion. All that he says is, don't talk about the conclusion, don't talk about the moment. Talk about the way they arrive at the conclusion. Why do you believe that? How do we test that's a good way to figure that out? Like, is that method reliable? Is there a better way that we can figure that out? And if there is, why are we using this method right now? Let's try to elevate that standard of evidence so that we can use the best method possible. Particularly if it's important to us to arrive at that conclusion. All that he's saying is you should ask questions about the method. And it's not so much a system as it is just a reminder of a target, if you're targeting the epistemology. Yeah, and I think if you do that, you'd be better off than, as far as helping the other person realize they might be right or wrong about something, making a more productive conversation. That is why I'm awful at it, because as soon as someone says something very easy, I just want to explain why they're wrong about everything. It is very needed, it is very much needed. I'm thinking about things, after your question, what is something that you truly believe in, 100%? Yeah, is there any further? And of course, yeah, of course. Now I'm thinking about the consequences of me saying something like that, which entails that I have maybe the type of evidence that everyone requires in order to believe in that, but usually that is not the point, even with actually easy things in life. We always need, if everyone gets to a point of evidence in which they stop and say, oh, and now I believe that there's people that need more evidence than that, so I agree. But definitely, I'll try, I'll actually, I want to expose my witnesses in an argument. So, an argument? Meaning, sorry, I'm going to say something that I think is true. Can I close up an argument? Yeah, please. I'm 100% confident that 2 plus 2 equals 4, at least in base 10, right? I'm 100% confident that every car in the parking lot is either my car or not. There are things that I feel justified in being 100% confident about because of the way how I strictly define them, so that it doesn't give me problems later on in the road. But when I say something that has a higher standard of evidence, I believe I have 14,000 cats. I'm 100% confident about this, I'm like, why, do you even have 14,000 cats? That's such an extraordinary claim that I'm going to need more than just definitions. I'm going to need some evidence to back that up. And all I just want to see is, do you have the evidence to support more extraordinary things? That is beautiful. I'll go with one. Okay, let's see what happens. Let's try it. It's because I really love this topic so much. I wish I had more time to investigate all of this. I think mathematics are discovered and not invented. Ooh. Yeah. Yeah. The reason why I'm coming up with this, sorry, the reason why I said that I'm open to discuss about this is because I want to be convinced of the opposite. And I don't have... Well, that's not my job. Oh, that is okay, but in a conversation, because regrettably, we don't have... And when I say we, maybe I'm not talking about the whole...