 is taking over it. Okay great. So the recording has started. Let's resume. So to the question here on chat where Kennedy asked how could it be said the author of salvation was made perfect to suffering. So I just posted a response saying Jesus was already perfect in his character and obedience to the Father. Of course the following verses will show us that the perfection that is being spoken of here is the human experience of pain and sorrow that was made complete in Jesus's life. And Christopher has a comment he says with being fully God and fully man Jesus was yet sinless on the earth. So that's a comment right Christopher did you want to ask? Actually I just thinking it through I just felt that being in this dichotomous sort of situation or this characteristic of Jesus on the earth being fully God and fully man it seemed that there were things that he exercised being fully God. I mean if he was fully man then he could have sinned and every man sinned basically. So to that point I think that there were some parts of being fully God that he exercised and there were some some aspects of him being fully God which he did not exercise you know and I think he had all the all the all everything within him being fully God and some parts some some aspects of it he did not he did not actually exercise or he did not use when he was on the earth and being fully man he he actually demonstrated aspects of being fully man you know I mean having emotion and having you know feeling hunger and having you know those kind of those kind of things so just it's not actually a question I mean I just trying to you know just think through how this sort of played out you know being fully God and fully man yeah. Yeah so yeah Christopher we are trying to you know comprehend this whole matter and as we've been saying there were certain attributes certain capacities that he left behind and yes there he was fully God so as you're rightly pointing out he did have have the potential to to walk or to demonstrate some of those some of those things but he sort of withheld it but there were times when it came up on the other hand he fully embraced humanity so humanity everything that has to do with humanity the limitations of being a human being the challenges all of that he he walked through so I know human minds find it very hard to grasp it but we have some clarity and let's pray that you know it continues to deepen from this point forward yes so I I'll just check with Shikumar if he wanted to ask a question or share his thoughts please go ahead Shikumar okay Shikumar got here you ah now now we get here please go ahead my question my question my question is just in the Romans sorry in the in the 10th word where it says that um in the bringing of many sons into the glory so I just want to know that in the in the Romans chapter 8 also it says that the creation is waiting for the the manifestation of the sons of God and and again the Bible says in the Romans chapter 8 that those who are led by the spirits of God are the sons of God spirit of God are sons of God so this glory what is the the the author is trying to mention here is this glory is is is something which is manifested upon us or is it going to manifest um in coming days that is my question like no this glory but because in the book of Romans it says that the creation is waiting for the grow to manifestation of the sons of God so so my question is are we already in the glory of what that the fullness of that glory which which the Jesus wants us to have or the what the Bible is saying is it is the future thing thank you pastor that's my question yes thank you Shikumar a very important question there so what is this glory that we are talking about all right okay so I'm not getting the scripture here but the book of John where Jesus says you're he while talking to the father he says that you know you've given me a glory he talks about so we term it as sonship glory okay sonship glory so Jesus walked with a certain glory here on earth which he wanted them to pass on to those who believed in him and so we as his disciples now have what is known as sonship glory that's what we are talking about over here Shikumar and I couldn't find that exact verse when I find it I'll post it for you later sorry 1722 okay let's look at it yeah thank you so this is John chapter 17 verse 22 I've given them the glory you gave me so they may be one as we are one I'm reading the nld translation yeah so John 17 and verse 12 this is referring to sonship glory yeah I hope that answers your question there yes pastor now my question is then what about in the Corinthians is say that we will move from glory to glory this is the same sonship glory we will move from glory to glory or the sonship glory is to operate on this earth is it yeah so that's what sonship glory is to operate on the earth and there is a different glory when we you know move on from this world into the the age to come and you know eternal life and after death and all that so that's how we will perceive it the Shikumar so there's certain glory we require to live that victorious life here on earth and Jesus gives that to us and we are calling that glory here or not the sonship glory there'll be a different glory when we are thank you pastor thank you thank you yeah thank you okay so really nice so interesting to meditate on all these scriptures um yeah so we've done till verse 10 let's move on to verse 11 so uh we can read verses 11 through 13 and uh anyone can volunteer it was chapter 2 verse 11 yeah even 14 I guess you can read 11 to 14 11 okay I have a few where almost asa go ahead okay yes kishan is that okay say asha asa you can please asha go ahead please for he who sent the source signify all I want source that is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers saying I will tell of your names my brothers in the midst of the congregation I will sit and praise and I'll put my trust in him and again behold I and the children God has given me since day for the children share the flesh and blood he himself like as part of of the same things that show that he might destroy the one who has power of death that is the devil yes so uh we saw in the verses from 11 to 13 more about the humanity of Jesus so uh Jesus you know we talked about all his titles the begotten uh and the expressiveness of God exalted so many things we saw about Jesus but see here uh for both he who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified that's referring to the believers those who are being sanctified are who yeah the believers are all of one for which reason he's not ashamed to call them brethren so see Jesus it's again everything is is just so amazing in revealing the kind of relationship that God wants with us uh here he's called our brother Jesus my brother okay Jesus my savior Jesus my Lord Jesus you know so many other titles we give him but he doesn't mind being called our brother and in that whole Jewish context you know being a brother being a kid's being related to someone can with its responsibilities very strong responsibilities so uh there's also uh an implication towards that where uh there is that bond of love but God is also like hey whatever needs to be done I'm there for you you know I'm there to care for you and I'm there you know walking with you that kind of uh that kind of uh a sense of care and care is what comes through here and it says he's not ashamed to call them brethren so imagine how strengthening this word must have been to the believers of the first century in their pain the writer is saying you have a brother you know and this brother he for them brother oh brother okay my a family member who will take some responsibility regarding us so he's trying to tell them you're not alone you have this great God who's not ashamed to call you brethren or in other words he's your brother he's even coming to that extent and verse 12 saying I will declare your name to my brethren see it's it's like embracing the people embracing the believers and saying you're part of my family we have a deeper bond so uh I will declare your name to my brethren so the believers are brethren it shows so many things as a human being yes he is saying you know I am sharing in your humanity but it's also showing how he's not you know he's not or his humility humility in other words we can see that why would he want to call himself a brother oh again he could have chosen some other title but the Bible is showing us that he doesn't mind being humble it doesn't take away anything from him you know trying to establish that kind of a human relationship with us okay and there is the beauty of God right there it says I will declare your name to my brethren in the midst of the assembly I will sing you sing praise to you so again the conversation within the the Trinity where Jesus know he is praising the Father so there is so much honour within the Trinity the Father is honouring the Son the Son is honouring the the Father so they are working they're not fighting against each other but they're all working together and verse 13 and again uh I will put my trust in him and again here am I and the children whom God has given me so see basically it's just humanity the children whom God has given me and we were towards 14 from here but before that I think there's a question yes say please go ahead thank you pastor so I was just gonna ask that would would it be okay to say that Jesus is my big brother or my elder brother in the understanding we have from the scripture yes so we can we can say that see all of these things that we are learning you know even this concept of Jesus is my brother it's great but I would also add that we shouldn't we shouldn't you know extrapolate and bring many other things out of it for example you look at the Old Testament it says God says I'm your husband he says to to Israel that's great the God's people so what what is the essence of what he's saying he's saying the government you know responsibility protection all that I take care of you like that but then you know if it goes to the point of where people claim that hey no God is my husband it becomes a little peculiar okay so that's my point so we say Jesus is my brother because we understand the essence of what he's trying to say but then to constantly you know keep saying that hey Jesus is my brother Jesus is my it shouldn't become a peculiar thing or a weird weird sort of a concept or doctrine doesn't make sense it makes sense basically you're saying we shouldn't kind of delete Jesus Christ is such a way that we only just tell me mass elder brother and we forget that this is our Lord and Savior this is our I think I basically think what you're saying is just concentrate more on the essence the relationship that's my point yeah okay awesome thank you pastor yes thank you thank you so okay all right so moving on now to verse 14 so in some um bibles when you see they'll separate the sections no so then they they have this title Jesus the elder brother for this portion and we understand when when he says elder brother he's just saying hey I'm taking responsibility and that was what was understood in the culture back then so verse 14 in as much then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood which is talking about us that we are human he himself likewise shared in the same that through death he might destroy him who had the power of death so remember we saw earlier he tasted death or for everyone and why taste death through death he might destroy him who had the power of death so we know that it was actually the triumph of you know of the cross when Jesus died and so destroy him who had power of death the Satan that is the devil and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage so it simply talks about our redemption it talks about the hope of resurrection obviously humanity saw death as the end but we know from scripture that death is not the end there are you know two destinies after that and when we are born again we believe in the Lord Jesus we accept what Jesus Christ has done through his sacrifice we now have salvation which you know as in turn we have heaven as our final destination and you know it also talks about the hope that came about after what Jesus did so before that humanity would have thought oh death is the end death is the end but us believers now even if loved one who believes passes away or we taste death we know that there is the hope of resurrection Satan has been defeated and we also have this wonderful hope of resurrection we read about that in passages in 1 Thessalonians 1 Thessalonians 4 13 to 18 where Paul encourages them hey come on there is going to be the the second coming and all the saints will rise up but they will come with Jesus so don't be discouraged so when the very fear of death that humanity grapples with praise God that the Lord Jesus has overcome that verse 16 verse 16 now for indeed he does not give aid to angel but he does give aid to the seed of Abraham so again going on speaking about this privilege to mankind how beautiful it said a man already has dominion and then Jesus has gone he calls him he is shared in our humanity he is not ashamed to call us his brother and it's also stating this passage is also stating that human beings and believers we now have this opportunity to receive the help of angels we aid you know not give aid to angels simply say God gives us that help that we need and also there is another way of describing the believers where he says the seed of Abraham the seed of Abraham now technically the seed of Abraham are the Jewish people naturally they are the descendants but if we look at you know passages such as Galatians 3 7 we read that by faith everyone who believes we who believe are now who we are the seed of Abraham again he's telling the believers come on you are to the Jewish believers particularly you're more than just seed as descendants but now by faith also you are the seed of Abraham and this is helpful for us because we may not be from that same race but just because we are believers by faith we are the seed of Abraham and saying seed of Abraham has its own implications because then we can talk about the blessings that God promised Abraham so if God promised Abraham and his descendants by faith we are the descendants of Abraham so we do have a part in the blessings that God promised Abraham so it's just sort of re-emphasizing humanity and how Jesus shared in that humanity and how he is establishing that relationship with us particularly the believers now moving on to verse 17 it says therefore in all things he had to be made like his brethren so you see he shared in our humanity that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God to make propitiation for the sins of the people so there's another concept that people usually talk about and that is identification we said substitution that we understood Jesus became our substitute identification what is identification identification he became like us he tasted humanity like us so when we say tasted humanity like us we've already mentioned you know the limitations of being a human the pain the suffering the good parts as well the choice that we experience as a human being but in entirety he tasted what humanness felt like and that was important that was important for Jesus because he then is the best representative that we have okay so he identified with us that's what this passage is the scripture is saying that he was made like the brethren that he might be a merciful faithful priest in things pertaining to God to make propitiation for the sins of the people so he became the best high priest that we could ever have now if we even study about high priests we know that a human being a representative of the children of Israel would be made the high priest because he could understand his people okay and that would lead him to represent the people well in the same way Jesus tasted humanity and it's not like he cannot relate with us right so when we when we say oh god you know I'm struggling with sin I'm struggling with addictions I'm struggling with with something else I'm suffering I'm going through all this in my life the beauty is not only can he represent us now but it adds more attributes to or rather talks about brings out certain attributes that God has he says merciful faithful high priest isn't that a privilege no we can have any high priest representing us but because he's gone through humanness he understands so sharing in humanity that's what we're talking about today Jesus sharing my humanity how did he share so he shared it in such a way that he's become unmerciful and faithful high priest that we could even you know go to him and that he would understand us and you know that is the reason we read that he sends us aid he gives us help because he knows that we need the aid or support that is required so that's a little bit from uh Hebrew chapter 2 we'll respond for a bit in case there are things that we want to discuss and then we'll jump right into Hebrews chapter 3 yes yes say yes pastor I just wanted to make a suggestion based on the explanation of the humanity of Jesus Christ now for anyone I think we talked about it that if you really want to just have a glimpse of Jesus in his humanity maybe you could go through the series chosen it kind of gives a bit of perspective of Christ in his humanity so it's would kind of throw more light on what pastor has talked about here about him being sharing in our humanity I think the chosen series does a good job in kind of exemplifying Christ in that light to us how he came in human form and how he lived a moment I just wanted to make that suggestion yeah thanks thanks for that I've heard about the chosen series I haven't seen it I think yeah I think those were interested you could look it up I can only refer to the gospels so even reading the gospels over and over again is very helpful for us to continually understand how did he live how did he walk what did he do and you know how exactly he shared in our humanity so thank you thank you for adding that is there anything else that anyone wanted to talk about let's move forward then we will look at chapter three of Hebrews and Joe oh okay yes please go ahead now I just wanted to also refer to this gospel verse which is you know John 14 12 and it's mentioned that you know very very truly I tell you whoever believes in me will do the works I've been doing and they will do even greater things in these because I'm going to the father so I mean in this in this kind of you know it's the nature of Jesus on the earth there's also a mention of you know you know human being being able to do even greater things than what what Jesus did so I don't know you know in the context of that you know the potential that that is available when we have you know when we have the Holy Spirit with us to do even greater things so yeah just really just mention that and maybe positive you can just explain that that point you know because sometimes that that can be quite confusing here okay yes Christopher Jesus did say that that we shall do we who believe we will do greater things than these so what he was really this is how we understand it Jesus did so many miracles and in fact there are places where it says that if we record all the you know miracles that Jesus did there wouldn't be place to record it something like that so there were many things that Jesus did and in John 14 12 amazingly he said you shall do greater things than these so what was he talking about and we don't even know what kind of miracles he did and how great there were some are mentioned some are captured for us in the gospels so how do we understand this greater works see now we have the empowering of the Holy Spirit and that is why Jesus told all his disciples even after they were born again John 20 he breathed on them and the Holy Spirit came to indwell them so they became born again technically so they are the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit but still he told them tanny wait for the Holy Spirit the baptism in the Holy Spirit and you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you shall be my witnesses in Jerusalem, Chogia, Samaria and to the ends of the earth so the baptism in the Holy Spirit to empower the believer with the supernatural works of God so that's how we are able to do the greater works what are these greater works see we can look at it like Christopher not better works than Jesus it's not like that the way we understand greater works is greater in number see he had three years of ministry here on earth now supper fast we have many more years than that to do our ministry and even you know if you look at population why is you could say hey we have more opportunities so in number more works supernatural works of God can take place so in that sense yes greater we can say that now how else can this greater be interpreted see in the times of Jesus maybe certain miracles will not be applicable for example today there are people who testify that they had some sort of metal implant in their body but after prayer it changed into bone okay so in Jesus's times things like this could not have happened because nobody was doing metal implants at least nothing that I know of so today it's possible it's so unusual to say that something like this has taken place so in that sense also we use this term greater okay but one thing we are clear of we're not claiming greater ability than Jesus or you know like more credit than Jesus that's not the point it simply means more in number and unusual as compared to Jesus's times so I hope that gives you some perspective does it help oh yeah okay says thanks so thank you Christopher yes Divya please go ahead yeah I just had a wanted to add on toward the christmas so with asking as well as I had a comment just as I was reading this John 14 12 it's the latter part of the verse that really caught my attention because he says greater works the than these he will do because I go to my father so either it can be as like Pastor Nancy you said like the holy spirit will be sent right once Jesus Christ goes to the father and also I think as he goes to the father that is that intercession that takes place or you know it's I don't know what in like technically what is happening but there's something which I'm not aware of but he says when he says because I go to the father you will do greater works I like to read it in that way so it makes sense to me and also I was looking at the verse chapter 2 Hebrews chapter 2 verse 17 where it talks about the high priest like the therefore in all things he had to be made like his brethren that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest yeah so in that case also in order for him to be the high priest like he acts as a mediator right like he is representing the people as well as he's a representative of God as well like it's a it's a beautiful picture of the when we say he is the high priest so yeah grateful for that you know especially when it says he's a merciful high priest why because he is he knows right he knows all our temptations all the weaknesses still he shows mercy towards us and also it says faithful high priest I was just thinking about the Jews in those times we lost your audio there okay and that too through the high priest uh so yeah I'm just grateful for uh yeah that aspect of Jesus Christ that's mentioned over there as the high priest it's just a comment yeah yeah yeah thank you for sharing but the last bit that you said when I think of the Jews during those times we lost your voice there if you could briefly share that point yeah yeah yeah I was just telling like the Jews of those days they could approach God for the propitiation of sins only once in a like a day of atonement right just once in a year and when we think about that like we are so privileged like we can go to God like for the forgiveness or confessing our sins like anytime like it has made it has been made possible only because of Jesus Christ otherwise it's like oh I can't imagine what would have been our state yeah yeah thank you yes thank you Vidya thank you so much for sharing your views so just one point that I want to make but you had mentioned the latter part of the verse where he says when I go to the father so uh yes the main thing that changed was that the Holy Spirit was then set which he talked about in the book of John and we were we received the empowering of the Holy Spirit and as far as intercession is concerned that's that's the point I want to make so the intercession of Jesus yes he's interceding in heaven but one one aspect about intercession is we've seen that prayer and intercession goes where the act of Jesus of dying on the cross in itself is an intercession so uh that that is something I wanted to say he's praying right now but he's also done his intercession through the sacrifice on the cross so yeah praise God for all that we are learning about the Lord Jesus and who he is uh and how that applies to our lives so uh just think with me about the author and his intention so he's trying to help the believers the first century believers the Jewish believers uh and he's telling them you have a one you have a great salvation uh you have Jesus who is dating he made that point and he demolished their view of worshiping angels and told them no no Jesus is exalted they worship Jesus so we are supposed to worship Jesus so he made that point maybe there was that philosophy of Jesus was not fully human so then he talked about it and he said no Jesus was fully human he went through the pain and you know he went through the sufferings and all and he was perfected right through the sufferings and now he is a merciful and faithful high priest so he established that view now he's coming to another crucial crucial point that he makes wants to make for the believers and that is he wants to establish the greatness of Jesus over Moses uh now why does he want to do this in chapter three that's what we will see he wants to do this because in their view they honored many of these uh you know leaders and fathers as they as they term Abraham and Jacob and Moses and Moses had a very great standing in their eyes and somewhere their honor uh for for Moses would have been greater because they've learned that they really soaked in these things and now even though they know about the Lord Jesus as they're going through their challenges they are probably not understanding you know who is greater and so he wants to make it very very clear to the believers that Jesus is greater than Moses that Jesus is the faithful suck over the house of God deserving a greater glory than the kind of glory that Moses he will establish he will say Moses who is Moses he was a minister of God he was one who was serving God and that's that's what he will do now and he will continue to exhort the believers to to keep on growing in the faith and not sidetrack and he will also state that rebellion and unbelief will keep us out of the promises of God so that's what we have in chapter three so let's begin uh at verse one uh could somebody please read verses one through five or even six one through six verse one to six therefore holy brothers and sisters who share in the heavenly calling fix your thoughts on Jesus whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest he was faithful to the one who appointed him just as Moses was faithful in all God's house Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses just as the builder of the house has greater honor than the house itself for every house is built by someone but God is the builder of everything Moses was faithful was was was was faithful as a servant in all God's house bearing witness to what would be spoken by God in the future but Christ is faithful as the Son over God's house and we are his house if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and hope in which we glory amen amen thank you reading that saying so as we can see here a couple of things he addresses the believers see this is exhortation so it's like it's going to be a mix of uh encouragement warning encouragement warning so now encouragement he's saying uh holy brethren how that we've understood the work of Jesus who are we we are in Christ we uh we are being sanctified but we are sanctified in Christ Jesus holy brethren okay that's one way in which he addresses then he again encourages them he says partakers of the heavenly calling so he wants them to have that spiritual mindset not just earthly mindset know who you are in Christ and that's why he's calling them with all these words and moving on he says consider the apostle and high priest of our confession Christ Jesus so again he's trying to reveal who Christ is to us he says he's the apostle who is an apostle we know we talked about if he said somebody who is sent forth he's delegated in a sense so they are sent forth with orders somebody like a a messenger or a better word would be an ambassador so the father sent the son the Lord Jesus so that's how we see Jesus the apostle he is the apostle he says give attention of consider uh to consider Jesus he's also says he's the high priest of our confession what does it mean see high priest of our confession simply means that the father uh Jesus is in the presence of the father he's the apostle and high priest so when we confess what is aligned to the word of God it's something like he uh he represents our confession up in heaven or he kind of backs up our confession in heaven so we must make confessions which are aligned to the word of God because who is Jesus he has become the high priest of our confession who backs up those godly confessions so uh there is value in the words we speak you know every Sunday at church we exhort the people about what we believe what we speak the power of the words now when we speak aligned to the word of God we have a high priest who is backing up those same words of faith those words of truth in the presence he is also Jesus is the apostle he is the high priest of my confession so I need to make the right come confession that's another encouragement uh he wants to give people that confess confess faith uh because Jesus is the high priest of your confession and then now he comes to this whole thing about Moses and Jesus so that he can establish that Jesus is greater so it's quite clear in what he has written there he says uh Christ Jesus who was faithful to him who appointed him so Jesus was faithful as Moses was also faithful in the work that God gave Moses but what is the difference the difference is he says you know when there is a house uh there is somebody who has built the house you know somebody who owns the house and there are there could be those who serve in the house so that is the distinction between Jesus and houses Jesus is the son of the house the house belongs to him or who is this house what is this house we know when Paul wrote to Timothy he said house of God the family of God those of us who believe and of course part of that family is also those who have gone on uh into eternity we who are alive believing those who have gone into eternity believing and also uh part of the house of God other heavenly beings so what we'll do is we will hold on up until here we will pause we will uh come back you know next class and continue from here put something please lead in a word of prayer as we please Heavenly Father we are grateful and thankful unto you for how far you have brought us you put a load you continue to cause your word to manifest in our lives and cause us to work in your glory as Jesus walk in your glory on earth Father we pray that we commit the rest of our activities in the day to your glorious house continue to keep us who God and cause us to be fruitful in Jesus mighty name we pray amen Amen amen thank you uh Malaysia thank you everyone for connecting to this class um let's continue to pray that you know we can give the most out of the book of Hebrews and the other books to come so have a blessed weekend and uh let's meet uh next Friday God bless bye until then thank you blessed thank you thank you thank you thank you