 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this coming up episode of Mind Pump for 23 minutes. Doug forgot to take the notes. But we remember Adam, Justin, and myself had some fun conversation. For the first 23 minutes, we talked about attractiveness. We talked about how men and women, we're just animals. We talked about feet. I think we talked about your feet. We did, we talked about feet. We talked also about sales, too. Sales and how women can crush it in sales, because they have some inherent advantages. We also mentioned Organify in this episode. Adam is actually putting together some delicious recipes that he is not sharing with anybody but himself. That's not true. If you guys follow me on my Instagram, you'll, on my Instagram stories, I'll be posting up there. Probably I'll share the recipe, but not the actual product. Oh, yeah. You can go to organifyshop.com, enter the code Mind Pump, and get a massive discount. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, why does the body even want to become efficient and adapt? If it is for survival, then why live longer? What is the goal of living longer? Why does the body want to do that? The answers may sound obvious to you, but we actually go much deeper in this episode. You'll have to listen to find out. The next question was, what are our thoughts on using a belt to keep your waist small? A weight belt, for example. You have a lot of bodybuilders go in the gym and wear a weight belt the entire workout. They also wonder, is that doing some kind of, you know, blood flow restriction or occlusion training? Won't that just do the opposite? Good discussion there. Then we get into the question. Why do female CrossFit athletes have a thick waist? Does CrossFit ruin a female physique as horrible as that question sounds? You may be surprised at the answer. 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You go to the gym, you follow the program, just do what we tell you to do in the program. Learn about your body the entire time. At the end of that year, you are a much better, stronger, leaner version of yourself. For more information on the Maps Super Bundle, just go to mindpumpmedia.com. You don't have that bad-looking feet. No, they're not bad. It's okay. They look better when they're French. You would interweave with them, wouldn't you? No, he's got long toes like me. If you had to pick one guy, you'd have to interweave the toes. It's like the most intimate thing I've ever heard of. I almost feel like... I'd rather touch tips than do. I know, I always feel like... Can you imagine? Like, ah! You know what I'm saying? That's kind of... Like five minutes. It's like the worst five minutes of your life. I wouldn't even do that to someone I was attracted to. It's gross, you know what I mean? Yeah, I know. They have the toes locked up. No, I know. It's just weird. It's just a horrible lot of thought I had. You guys ever get into the toe-sucking thing? No! Me neither. I never like it. There's some dudes that are so into toes. You know, I had a couple of girls try it. It's nasty. Nah, it's not my thing. It's just like the anal thing. I'm just never... Don't stick any fingers in my butt. I'm not into it. Oh, your butt. Yeah. Yeah, it does. You're an invader! Nah, I'm not big. Don't suck my toes. That doesn't turn me on. No, not your toes. Yeah, don't twist my nipples. Oh, stop! How do you suck your toes? I'm saying, oh! That's fucking gross, dude. No, I take care of my feet, bro. I meant some guys are into sucking girls' toes. You're getting your toes sucked. That's weird. You had girls try to suck on your toes? Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. I had a good look at feet, bro, when they were all manicured up. And they got the French tip on them and stuff like that. What kind of girl wants to suck on a man's toes? You get a good look at feet, man. What's up? That's a girl. That's weird. Interesting girl. But you've never been in this... I think it's just as weird when I stick your finger in your butt, too. Yeah, but you've never wanted to suck on a man's toes. But it's much more popular or common for a man to want to suck on a girl's toes. Maybe in your world, you've had a lot of fingers up your butt, but I have to say that. I don't know, it's circuit you traveling there. Yeah, I know. One at a time. There's a lot of... There's like a thing where men like women's feet and want to like... Yeah, I know. It's a fetish. That's what I was talking about. I mean, I like women's feet. Like, I think that's... And I've been with girls that have ugly feet that turn off bad. It's a turn off when you have ugly feet. It's more like feet to me or like a hygiene thing. So it's like skin, hair, feet, nails. Those all kind of go in the same category as me as far as like... They're not turn-ons as much as they could be turn-offs if you don't take care of them. So it's like, I don't... You don't have to have like the most perfect skin for me to like it, but if you don't take care of your skin, like that bothers me. If you don't have the most perfect feet, but if you don't take care of your feet, then that's gross, right? It's kind of like that for me. It's like I'm not... The irony of it is... And none of them turn me way back. The irony of it is that our feet are always covered. It's like way more clean than your hands, you know what I'm saying? But you'll like hold a girl's hand. Oh no, it's pretty swampy down there. Yeah, it's sweaty feet, bro. Socks on. Get layers. It can be. It can be. No, I don't think so. Imagine like a Bing Greenfield's feet. Oh, dude. He looks like a hobbit. Yeah. His feet look functional, which is not necessarily good looking. It just means that they work... Anywhere. They're strong. Remember when we first met him? We saw him and it's like... There's two things that stood out when I saw him. Feet in his hands right away. Yeah, I was like, whoa, you don't like your hooves. You're chimpish. In real war, you know what I mean? No, his... I feel like if you... Yeah, you can totally hang upside down. Yeah, I feel like if his hands don't match his body, like his hands belong... Oh, they look like they're a 300-pound man. No, they do. If you've ever shook the hand of a six-foot, seven, 300-pound guy. Yeah, like that hand, that's how Ben Greenfield's hand feels on his wiry frame. It just doesn't match. So it's really fascinating. His feet are the same way, too. His feet look like 300-pound man's big-ass feet, too. They're like Hobbit, like if you watch Lord of the Rings and you see their feet with the hair on the top and then fucking like you can operate utensils with them. You know what I'm saying? How much could I pay you to let them feed you something? With this foot? That'd be the most amazing video. How are you guys talking to Drew when I brought breakfast? You guys were getting all into him right now. Oh, no, we were joking with Drew. We were asking him about... Sex questions. How many girls he's been with? And he's a 19... I'm not going to put him on blast. But he's a kid, right? He's only 19 years old. And when you're a 19-year-old guy in your buddies, especially if there's dudes that you look up to ask you questions like that, you're going to inflate it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he was definitely inflationing there. He's totally doing that. And he thinks we don't know. And I'm like, come on, dude. For sure there's an actual mathematical equation for this. Divided by three? No, divided by three. Yeah, divided by three, if it's a guy saying it, if it's a girl saying it, you multiply by three. Yeah, that's the equation for it. Girls will always lie. Like, oh, it's only been two? OK, that's six, bitch. Come on, it's six. Yeah, we already know. We know that for sure. And if it's a guy like, oh, yeah, it's like 15. Like, OK, probably five. Yeah, let's be honest. Lake Havasu did happen, yeah. Does it count in days? Does it count if they're all at the same time? If you went back to your first one, yeah. Isn't it funny that we live in a society that's like that? Like, why is it that we care about that? Right, that one, that we care about that. Two, that it's different for a man or a woman. It's kind of unfair. I think it's because men judge each other on a few different things. One thing we judge each other is on how much money we earn. Earning potential. Your sexual proclivity. Yeah, your sexual prowess, right? Like, if women are really attracted to you, that means you're like a god, you know, you get a high status, right? And then the other one is like physical, like how physically strong you are, or physically dominant you are. Those are the three big ones I think men tend to kind of judge each other on, I guess. Not necessarily in a bad way, but definitely. Why do you think that is, though? Why do I, why? It's primal, dude. Yeah, I know it is primal. But why, what's so advantageous about me knowing, like, if I meet you, is it like a hunt and kill thing? It's like, I meet you, I meet Sal, right? We're thousands of years before, and like, I want to know. Dude, we're still animals. You know what I mean? Like, we forget that we're animals. I want to know how many women you slept with because to me, that means you're a better hunter than maybe Justin. It means if I have a lot of women that I'm sleeping with, and it's, you know, thousands of years goes and we're hunter-gatherers, it means that I probably have the resources to take care of and these, you know, these children that I'm fathering and that these women are attracted to me because I have the resources and my power. Well, that makes a lot of sense because it's a lot like that today. Yeah. Yeah, think about that. People give, like, some women that are what they, you know, quote-unquote, I'm using the air quotes here with the gold diggers, right? That come after guys that have tons of money and stuff, but it really makes sense why that's just a natural thing for them to do because he's got all the resources. Of course, of course. It's funny that we get mad at that. Like, we get mad, like, oh, she's just after me for my money and then they can throw it right back to us and be like, well, you're just after her because she's hot. Yeah. They're both primitive instincts, you know what I mean? They're both primitive desires. Right, right, because if she's hot, that's normally because she's probably... Fertile. Yeah, right. I mean, she can father my child or whatever, you know what I mean? It propagates the species. You're right, we're animals, Justin. That's what I'm saying. It's just, we want to like... We pretend like we're not. Yeah, we want to like create this whole facade that we're so, you know, above all that, you know, nature and everything else and it's like, no, you still have sex. Well, you know what's funny about that is there's a few things that men and women both find attractive in each other, but then there's things that are not, that we don't rank the same, like sense of humor. Men, if they list the top five things that they find in a woman attractive that they're really attracted to, sense of humor usually doesn't crack the top five. Always does for women. For women, it's almost always the top five. No, it's actually a lot of times one. Yeah. It's actually one. It's status. Okay. It's status. If you're charming and funny and whatever, it meant you probably held a higher position in society, which meant you probably were able to buy a resource. Is that confidence thing or is it just that? Intellect thing. I think it's more of an intellect thing then. Yeah. If you're funny, right? More than likely you're witty and you're smarter. So I would think it lines more with that, right? And that would go back to being. It's funny because they've done, they've actually done studies on this and men tend to rank higher than women in terms of, I don't know how they test this, by the way, so take this with a grain of salt, men typically have a better or sharper sense of humor, but the studies conclude it's not because we're genetically better at it, it's because we understand at an early age that girls value that, so we work on it. Cause I remember as a boy, especially when you're young, before you, being funny was how you got there. Yes. I have vivid memories. And you guys have talked in this podcast before. I think you just recently talked about, you know, who we were with, who we just interviewed. It was a Josh Trent interview to us, that interview. He talked about, you know, watching my ability with a group of people I've never met before. And that was actually a trained skill that I remember being a kid, coming to school, not knowing people. And it was like, I could either choose to be, Jumping around like different schools. So I remembered like having to like butt myself into conversations and you easily could have just sat there, kept your mouth shut, never get noticed and just be that guy. Or you get picked on more. Right. If I interject myself, I say something funny. I grab the attention of everybody. And more often that means the women or the girls that are paying attention or listening to us that laugh and giggle and pay attention. Cause that's one way right away to get street cred with a young boy, all the other young boys is, I say something funny. Doesn't matter if it's funny to you guys. If the girls laugh, you're killing. Right. Exactly. Like I'm on to something. That's how you get your stat. And so funny, subconsciously. Yeah, no, subconsciously as a kid, I 100% was putting that together. Every guy knows that. Every guy knows that. Whether you're good at it or not. Every guy knows if I can be funny, then I'm going to get attention from women 100%. It is not the other way around for girls. Like if they're funny, it's great. It's a plus. I actually really enjoy it. But it's not like this big thing that stands out to me. You know that Jordan Art of Charm, they teach this, right? So they teach like having this like open or joke and everything is like your first introduction of people for that. Icebreaker. So take it a step further. Girl, when they've done studies on this, I love the subject by the way, when they've done studies on this, they'll find that girls will instinctively laugh more to attract a guy. So if she's attracted to a guy or like louder. Yeah, if she's attracted. Which is why you always, it's always a dead giveaway when a girl likes a guy, when a guy says something stupid. And the girl still has snorting. It's like, you know, like. So to take that a step further, this is how I could always tell too, if another girl thought out it was in to me was, because I know what's funny when I say something stupid. Yeah, when I say a stupid joke and I get her laugh, be like, oh, it's like game over, right? Okay, I got you. I got you. Sorry, that was a terrible one. You know, it's another giveaway that I read about what's up. What's it called? Like was it preening when you're like fixing your hair? Oh, I start twirling. Yeah, like when, so this is, you know, they talk about this all the time. These are fascinating studies, but if a woman's attracted to a man, subconsciously she'll play with her hair or adjust herself as if she's trying to like, without knowing, trying to make herself look more attractive. Yeah. So if a girl starts touching herself, playing with her hair while she's talking to you, that's a sign. Doesn't guarantee it, all right, guys? It's not for sure. You gotta be careful. Contested this. Because on the other side of that, on the flip side of it, men are almost always likely to think or more likely to think of girls into them. So we will always assume a girl likes us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Overly confident. Overly. Because you have to be, because you shut down so often. Which is so true whenever you're with your buddies and you know what I mean? Well, they have- Oh, she totally liked me. Yeah, oh yeah. They talk about this with sales, right? This is why men tend to be better in sales. It's not because genetically we're better, it's that we're used to being told, no, our whole life and overcoming this and taking rejection, it's not a big deal. It's like, you know, like I've been told this- That's the funniest thing I've ever heard. It's so true though. It's like you've been told, no, so many times your whole life. It's like it's, and so sales becomes more natural from it. It's why men dominate sales. It really is, not because we're technically better. We need to look at that statistic because I could have swore- Oh, I've read it before. Did you? Yeah. Because I could have swore- I'd better confirm that. I could have swore that some of the women do better. There's more men in sales. Yes, so here's the continuation of that. So there's more of us. Now a woman who harnesses those skills will be better because of her empathy. Because if she actually can take those same skills- That communicates so much better. Yes, connect on another level. Because women typically are- I actually know a lot actually. Yeah, because women typically rank better in communication. The good sales women I've met are like amazing. They are inside the head of the person. I remember training trainers and training sales and I would always say that. I'd say, man, if I can get a girl that has my skill sets she'll be 10 times better than I ever was because you have this ability. People are, women just have this empathy about them that men just can't tap into it on the same level. Sure, we practice it. Sure, I try it. And there's individual- Yeah, of course. Of course, obviously everything we're saying is an over-generalization right now. But collectively as a whole of all the people that I've coached and trained in sales, yeah, men dominate the amount but the women that actually put it all together end up being way more lethal. Have you ever met a saleswoman who sold you something and then just afterwards been like, because I always appreciate good salespeople? I too come to mind right away. Melissa Fong and Monique Varela. Those two girls, both those girls worked for me. Both those I used to call mini-mes. And I had tons of women- And you introduced her to Speed Stack as well. I did. She was like, I was like going around the entire club clothes. How big was she? You gave her a whole Speed Stack? Yeah. She's a little 112-pound Asian girl. Oh, no. I was like, oh no, you got your Speed Stack too? Oh, here we go. She was a killer. Her and Monique both, they just got it. Like they got it. They weren't afraid of the nose. They were both girls who had overcame kind of adversity and teasing early on. Both very super smart. Got on to get their masters competitive sides to them. That one was a tennis player. The other one was a boxer. So both had athletic sides to them. So they had the perfect formula of like a, been through struggles, been told no as a woman plenty of times. Just like a lot of men have dealt with really intelligent push through school. Both had competitive personalities. And that mixed with me teaching them like sales and fitness. Oh, they were just unbelievable. I also think sometimes there's an advantage to being in a field that's dominated by the opposite sex, but being good at it. So I'll give you an example. Like if you're a man and you're a teacher, which is dominated by women, but you're a good teacher, you probably have an advantage. You stand out. You stand out, right? Absolutely. And then vice versa. If you're a woman and you're in a male dominated field, but you're good, you stand out even more. Oh, it's like, we talk about this in sports all the time. Whenever you see the anomaly, we were just talking about this on the show the other day about the Spudwebs and stuff like that. Those names go forever. Remember, now Spudweb didn't break any real serious major records. Five, seven. Yeah, but exactly because of how small he is. And in a league that you just stand out like big time. So I used to train. I trained a surgeon. She's a general surgeon, but she also did vascular surgery and all kinds of stuff. And she was like, whenever I'd bring her name, because I trained a lot of surgeons. And one thing about surgeons, and I'm gonna be an overgeneralization here, is that they all, they tend to have the stereotype of being like this God complex. Like I'm like, whatever, like I can't do it all wrong. And when I'd bring up other surgeons' names to these surgeons, they wouldn't usually comment too much. It wasn't like they were like, oh, he's a great guy, great, you know, it's almost competitive. And they never really said anything bad or anything. But when I brought her name up, every single, because the rest of my surgeon clients were men, every single one of them was like, oh, she's a badass. She's like one of the best surgeons you'll ever find. She's awesome. And she was totally in the male dominated field. So she had, and she came up, you know, you're talking about in the 70s and 80s. 90s when it was very male dominated. I think part of that part of that is there because they're facing adversity like that, it causes them to have to rise even more, right? So it's, you can't, if you're in a male dominated sales field and you do well to be in the upper 10% or like that, like you're, that's the goal. I think there's certain sales jobs that are dominated by females. I think real estate might be one of them. If I'm not mistaken. Real estate is one. I think, yeah, I think there's more women that sell real estate than men do. Definitely as a whole though, it's not. I mean, men, there's way. Yeah, because if you can't, all the sales don't hurt. Yeah, yeah, it's still way dominated by men. And like I said, when you see, when you actually meet a woman that actually puts all that together really well, it's extremely impressive. And I think she can sell better than a man because she has that empathy side that's built into her that's, because here's the thing, they say women, what empathy side, the men, the illogical side, and I know I'm being fucking totally, and fucking, there's somebody who's saying that. So prehistoric. Yeah, whatever. There's exceptions to rule, everything fuck off, right? So these are the, those two things. You're not being very empathetic. Yeah. Typical male. I understand. Yeah. It's true though. It's really crying. But logical thinking doesn't really isn't that important in sales, right? It's not that you can't use it and logic doesn't help. It's not- You're not gonna sell something with logic. Exactly. It just doesn't, people buy things with emotion. No, exactly. That's why empathy is such a, more of a powerful tool. So let me ask you this, Adam. Because you're, I can see to you a decent salesperson. I'm just, it's not bad. Have you, have you, member Justin? I wish I would have never said it. You see what you're gonna get. You see what you're gonna get, bro? You see what you're gonna get. I'm joking. We'll ask Larry to end it. Oh, yeah. Too much air. Oh, we're gonna get into it. I pumped too much air in there. I can't wait to do that. No, but all joking aside, have you ever taken these personality tests that will rank or tell you the type of intelligence you have? And it'll classify it as male or female. Have you ever done anything like that? I have, Emotional Intelligence 2.0 has a test inside the book that I have. Did you test more female than male? You know what? That's a good question. I don't remember. I do know that I have tons of feminine traits for sure. 100%. I mean, think about it. I was raised by my mom. I was raised by my mom. I had women around me. The cousins that I did see were all women. Like so, I mean, I could braid hair. I could do things that most guys couldn't do because I was put. So there's disadvantages of that. And then there's advantages. And it helped me in sales because I think I'm a very empathetic person. Because there's certain tests that, and I don't know if they're outdated, but back when I did them, there's one where it's just, you have pictures of eyes. So you don't see the rest of the face. You don't see anything below the eyes or anything above the eyes. All you see is eyes. And then you have to guess what emotion they're expressing. So like anger, sadness, excitement, whatever, just on the eyes. Men typically do horribly at that test and women typically do well at that test. And that's like one of the, there's a couple other tests, but that's one of the ones where they say they can determine pretty accurately more than other tests. I should say, if you're a man or a woman, I fucking tested woman on that. I remember I took that test. It's when I did the short stint, when I worked for Bank of America, they did these personality type tests on us. And they're like, oh, you have a lot of female type intelligence. Yeah, you know. That's, I mean, to me, that's social awareness, right? So, and I think you guys all have that really well. And it's, to me, it's very obvious when I meet somebody who doesn't have social awareness. And that's just that ability to be in a room with different types of personalities and likes and needs and conversations happening. Do you know anybody like that? That's like totally just fucking clueless. Like why are they so upset? Like you totally offended them. I did. We're rounded all the time. One of my biggest pet peeves that we have, or that I have, and 100% I know this is my own ego at insecurities that drives this pet peeve is like when we get people in our space that do what we do, that spend more time telling us and giving us advice than actually asking questions. It annoys me and inside, I don't let's show that. They don't know that, you know? But inside I'm like, you idiot. Like you're in the same space as I am. You wanna do what I'm doing. Meanwhile, you have a little window where we're conversing and you chose to spend that time telling me how I should do things. Or like just boasting about what they're doing. Right, like how, what an idiot you are. Like, and we've definitely had people before that's come in this facility that we've brought under our wing or spent time with and have been around us before. And instead of taking advantage of that and asking questions. And of course, the part that makes it like a pet peeve is my own insecurities of feeling like, oh, oh, they don't think about it. They don't recognize you. Yeah, they don't recognize how smart or how valuable we potentially can be. So that's my own issue, right? Which that's why I don't express it or say anything. In the past, I would say some shit. In the past, I'd be like, you're an idiot. Really, you just, you decided- You're still talking about yourself? Yeah, you're still doubt about that. You wanna do what I'm doing and you haven't asked any questions. Like, so, now we get that a lot, man. We've had people- No, it's funny because like my grandfather's like that. Like, he'll just, without realizing just to fend the fuck out of people. And everybody's like knows, you know what I mean? I thought that was like an old trait though. At some point, you like lose fucks. No, I think he's always been that way. He's always been that way. Yeah, it's a little bit of both, right? He just doesn't realize it. He's just gonna say some shit to annoy the- That's true. And just to fend the fuck out of you. And it's funny, so my cousin got married. When he first got remarried, he lived with my grandparents as him and his wife at the time were saving money to buy a house because they lived up in here in San Jose. So they were living with my grandparents and my grand, so now she had to live with my grandfather. And he's a great guy. Loving man, he's the first of our family to come to this country. He set everybody up through his hard work, so everybody- He's a macho, macho did. He's just sometimes he says shit, you know? And he's like, what, why are you so upset? So they made dinner and she gets skin reactions if she eats gluten. So she, and of course pasta bread, right? It's a big Italian thing. So she goes, you know, they made dinner and she's like, oh, you know, I can't really eat gluten because it bothers my skin this and that. And he goes, oh, he goes, okay. He goes, you know, when I was in Sicily, he goes, if I had a horse that couldn't eat something, we kill it. And she's like, what? She's like, remember, she never really like knew him. You know what I mean? She's like, we kill it. And she's like, what do you mean? She's like, it's a bad horse. If he can't eat all the food, it's a bad horse. It's an inside joke now. Now when we see each other, she says she's a bad horse. Oh my God. But my cousin was like, try and tell her like, no, no, no, don't take a fancy. Yeah, he's not trying to offend you. He's kind of jabbing at you in a funny way. Yeah, he's not gonna kill you. No, that's okay. That is early, though, throw that out there. Doug, bring on the offensive bird. She's a quaw! 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So in nature, if you had a very inefficient body, let's say your body was super inefficient with calories and you just burned 12,000 calories a day because you had this inefficient metabolism where you're just burning a shit ton of calories. For most of human civilization, you would not survive because you would not be around enough food to feed yourself that many calories. Another example would be if I just burn a ton of calories every single time I walk and my body never adapts and becomes more efficient at that. Again, I will not be able to feed myself enough calories to make up for the amount of walking that I'm doing. So that being said, the second part of the question is why does the body want to live longer? Here's what's interesting. You will notice that most chronic diseases, although we're seeing more and more now at younger ages and that's just a result of our modern lifestyle, but for the most part, most diseases that kill us, things like cancer, stuff like that, don't really appear until after around the age of 30. And the reason for that is we evolved out of that shit. The human body evolved to live long enough to procreate and then after that doesn't matter if you die because now you've spread your seed. This is why cancer rates start to go up after 30 and then really start to spike after 50 and 60 and why it's very rare for a child to get cancer because the kids that got cancer during most of human civilization, we're not able to pass on those genetics. So the reality is your body evolved to survive long enough to procreate. Beyond that has to do with modern, our ability to nourish yourself with nutrients, exercise, yeah, take care of ourselves, all that stuff. Although there is some interesting stuff within there, some interesting caveats. For example, men, if we're healthy and we take care of ourselves, theoretically, we can procreate until we die. So if you're a 70 year old man and you're really, really healthy, you're producing sperm and theoretically you can have and father a child. Now this is not the case with women. We're gonna keep those hips healthy. Yeah, damn. This is not the case with women. Women go through a period called menopause where the body stops being able to bear children. And there's some interesting speculation around that. One of them is that if a woman was able to procreate at that age, the likelihood that she would survive is far, far lower because she's not as healthy and fit to do. Because let's be honest, childbirth is the most dangerous thing that a woman ever did for 99.9% of human civilization. By far, killed more women, actually killed more humans than anything besides starvation and infection is childbirth. So the other thing is that anthropologists believe that the role of the grandmother was imperative in ensuring the survival in the upbringing of offspring. That the grandmother needed to play an important role and so it became beneficial for her to not be able to bear children so that her job now or her role in the tribe is to help take care of children, raise children and take care of her kids who have kids and so on. So, interesting stuff. That is interesting. It's interesting to me too that just a question in general, like why do we want to survive? I think it's kind of obvious, right? That we'd want to live longer. To me, that's also too... And in quality, right? Of life, why we even do what we do? We've talked about this before where just because we exercise, we do those things doesn't ensure that we're not gonna get some disease or not gonna die at 70 years old but it's about improving your life, right? So I don't know, this is the whole question. It's like a bit of a fuck out of me. I know, I was like, is this like a super esoteric, you know, like deep question of like, why? You know, like, why are we all trying to live, man? Yeah. Like it's like, I don't know, like everybody's gotta find purpose. Yeah, the only scientific, like the only, like the prevailing scientific explanation is just your body is trying to stay alive long enough to propagate, to pass its genes. And those genes passed by you now carry your, some of your blueprint. So whatever you had or whatever caused you to survive gets passed on. And that's kind of the crux behind evolution. So at some point it became evolutionary, evolutionarily advantageous for humans to be hairless. We're one of the few animals or at least primates or I think only primates to have very little body hair which is strange because that's not really an advantage if you're out in the sun all the time. You're gonna fuckin, you know, you're gonna burn yourself but if you consider humans are so, are the most social of all creatures and that we probably lived in tight tribes and societies it made sense to not have tons of body hair because body hair also increased your odds of having, you know, fleas and ticks and shit like that. And it's probably better not to have them because you didn't spread as much disease. It's also why we have hair on our heads because that's the part that gets the sun. So all the, you know, the thing about this is it's all looking backwards. Whenever we're talking about our body's ability to adapt and become efficient and evolve it's a lot of it's a guessing game and really it's the best guess that wins because many times it's totally, I mean, here's something you wanna consider too. It's totally viable that it could have been just some fuckin' accident. Like, you know, that most humans had, you know, orange skin but then for some reason the people with the orange skin got some disease and they just all died. They ate a carrot and exploded. Yeah, they just all died or something. So now, you know, that doesn't exist anymore. So some of the, that could also explain some of it as well but it's all looking back. But yeah, as far as the body becoming efficient whenever we talk about things like, you know, your metabolism is slowing down or you know, you need to change your exercise or we say, we say things like you have a damaged metabolism. Really it's your body's doing exactly what it's supposed to. It's just not something that is desirable. Like it's not desirable. It's not benefiting your goal. Not in modern life. Like is it desirable and modern lifestyle to have a super, super efficient and slow metabolism? No, it's not because you have access to tons of food all the time, all around you. You are not active nearly as much as we used to be. So in modern lifestyles and modern societies having an extremely efficient metabolism or slow metabolism now becomes a detriment. Now you have a propensity for obesity and for the problems and now it becomes beneficial to have a faster metabolism. Well, if we went back in time, you know, 50,000 years ago the person who was really thrifty with their calories, well, when a famine comes along, you know, you're gonna do okay. You know, you put a bunch of fitness fanatics, you know, who are lots of muscle and super lean and you put a bunch of like obese people on an island with no food, you know, besides the fact that the fit people can probably hunt and stuff like that. But if you just left them there and said, okay, let's see you can live the longest. Yeah, with nothing. The obese people are gonna, they're gonna win that. They have the most stored energy for sure. They're gonna win that. Yeah. You know, and the muscular, you know, lean person is kind of screwed, so. I feel like I just sat through a Nat Geo episode. Yeah. The more you know. Yeah. Yeah, that's great. Next question is from Mike Safai. What are your thoughts on using a belt to keep your waist small? I've always wondered if that is a form of muscle occlusion because I have seen belts so tight, I imagine it does restrict blood flow. If that is the case, could it be possible to enhance the waist? This is Aria's brother, man. This is our boy right here. Can we just real quick do a quick mention on the genetics that family has? Have you seen their sister too? Yeah, they're all, they're all. Mike, Aria and their sister. I forgot her name. They're all just ready to get on stage. They're all fucking shredded and they're all really active, but they all seem to build muscle like it's their job. Well, let's be honest, in my opinion, from my experience of knowing a lot of the pros, Aria is one of the only all-natural pros that I know of. So genetically gifted. Yeah, I mean, just to be able to handle it. Can you imagine if he was on gear? Oh, right, I mean, just to get on stage like that. So this question's kind of funny in a couple of ways, right? So I'm gonna address the occlusion part right away. So you can't occlude anything that's in your... Your t-spine. Yeah, your trunk or your chest or anything like that. So it has to be a limb. Like the only way to occlude a muscle in order to get the benefits from like BFR would have to be a limb. So it'd have to be your bice tries, forearms, so biceps, quads, hams, everything down like that. So because it has a direct connection to the heart and blood, so it's not... Yeah, you have to be able to occlude venous outflow which around the waist would be very difficult considering all how big the waist is and everything that's inside of it. I mean, you could occlude it, but if you did, you'd fuck up your problem. If you actually could occlude it to where it would actually build muscle, you would die. You'd include a few organs. Yeah, so that wouldn't work. Include your liver. Now does wearing the belt actually make a small age? Now it can. And the reason it can is because if these knuckleheads wear these belts all the time in the gym while they're lifting weights, there are a ton of stabilizing muscles surrounding the core, the spine that you're now using this belt to do that instead. And so they're not being developed like they should be. They're atrophy. Yeah, they atrophy. They shrink. Which is why when you see waist trainers, things like that, why people can actually take measurements and show, hey, I lost an inch on my waist and absolutely prove that it does shrink your waist. The problem with, you shrink the waist at the cost of totally weakening some of the most important muscles in your body. You're not talking about weakening your calves or weakening your biceps or your forearms which in my opinion are far less important. Your core muscles that, and you know what, if you're fucking 20 years old, this may not matter so much to you. But I'll tell you what, being somebody who's trained tons of clients, the ones that are in their 30s, 40s and 50s, this is where this is gonna cause a huge problem. And it's gonna be very interesting to see a lot of these bodybuilders, men's physique guys that absolutely just neglect training their midsection in fear of getting it too big and bulky to create this V taper. Well, and then they compound the issue because you have now an atrophied core. Right. And then big, strong. And then big, super massive upper body. Upper and lower body. So legs are strong, arms are strong, shoulders are strong, back, chest, leg, weak core. Holy cow. Now you're talking about, I've known. Know you're ready for corsets your whole life. Dude, I've known more than a few bodybuilder type people who have hurt their back doing the most mundane shit. Like, stupid, like big muscular dude. You know, all the next thing you know, slipped a disc, how did you hurt your disc? I was doing curls. Or, you know, I was throwing the Frisbee with my kid or something like that. It's like, what? You hurt your, like, you squat 500 pounds and you hurt, you slipped a disc because- That's what I really see. I really hear it from like the throwing the Frisbee or picking up a shampoo bottle or gardening because they have no rotational strength, right? Because they don't, that's already given. Most every bodybuilder trains in the sagittal plane. Which is understandable. It's your sport. You don't need to be able to move left or right really fast. So you don't need to train like an athlete but here's where this stuff becomes really important is you keep building all this muscle on this weak ass core and you don't train any rotational strength and then all it takes is the slightest movement where you're rotating a spine like that, throwing a Frisbee- Then you compromise. Yeah, then you're fucked and then you're hurt. And it's really weak that you get hurt doing something so weak as, you know, throwing a baseball or throwing something or turning just a little bit because you have no rotational strength. So I mean, does the wearing the weight belt help keep the waist smaller? Sure, it can. Absolutely it can. What I think- I wouldn't worry about getting a huge waist from muscle though. You know what I'm saying? Well, here's what like- I mean, if bodybuilder- Did you see my Instastory yesterday? I was poking at old Jeremy Blundia. Oh really? Yeah, so he, I finally, he just did a video of him like a real deadlift, not rack pulls, like deadlifting off the floor. Wow. So, which is crazy, it's funny to watch because he's like super strong and like all these like isolated lifts and then to see him like- He's probably never deadlifted. Yeah, deadlifting three plates. He's got an easy old body. Right, right. So, you know, and you see, you're starting to see the men's physique guys starting to do it now. What's crazy is I remember when I really started deadlifting, it exploded my back. Like nothing, I had been rowing and lat pull down and dumbbells and bent over barbell road and T-bar. I've been doing everything for so long and had a pretty decent back and V-taper already. When I started deadlifting, it gave a whole new level to my back, which all that did was make my waist look even smaller. So even any little bit of extra muscle you think you might build on your waist that's gonna like take away from this V-taper look, if you're the movement itself is gonna create more of the illusion of you being bigger in your upper back anyways, that it's negated, it's moot. And now at least I'm doing something that's safe that actually is going to save my core, right? So I think it's a ridiculous idea that guys do. I think it's a fashion statement now. I think it's become so popular to wear a belt and to brand it, put your name on it, do all that cool stuff, which is fine. I have a belt, I still use my belt occasionally whenever I'm doing something where I think I might compromise my back because I'm lifting a max rep or some shit. I might put it on there. Or if I'm just trying to test a new weight that I haven't done in a new found range of motion. So I definitely think there's places for tools like this. I think that they've become an accessory though. I think it's become- And you're not gonna shrink your waist from wearing a belt when you wear it, when you just heavy deadlift or heavy squat. The way that some of these pros are using it is they'll put it on really tight for the whole workout. For everything that they do, they've got the belt on to keep the waist small. The entire time they're gonna do it. Here's the thing, if you're a bodybuilder and you're a pro bodybuilder and you're worried about growing your waist, like stop taking so much growth hormone and other shit, like that's gonna make your waist, like I'm pretty sure Phil Heath's belly didn't grow because he didn't wear a belt. Pretty sure they had more to do with the drugs and the food that he- That's a no brainer right there. If you're taking HGH, like that's gonna explode your waist more than anything that could possibly explode your waist for sure. Absolutely. But as far as occlusion is concerned, occlusion is definitely effective at building muscle. You just did a recent insta story on your occlusion. I did, I just started implementing it again and every single time I do it, it's like instant, you know, I'll get an instant almost quarter inch on my arms, like boom, right away, very quickly. Now going beyond that, I'll hit a limit. It's like it just keeps growing or adding. But if I stay consistent with it, I can definitely see the benefit. But it's quick, it's pretty fast. Like if you use occlusion right on your limbs, you'll notice in a very short period of time, you know, you'll get more muscle growth. And really the way, you know, I've learned a lot more about how occlusion really builds muscle and it's pretty interesting. You know, it's working on the signal that waist buildup creates within muscle, has nothing to do with muscle damage. And it's just allowing all this waist buildup to happen. It's very painful when you do it, it burns and it sucks, but it does build muscle. And the good news is it doesn't cause a lot of muscle damage. So you can add it to your routine without worrying about compromising your recovery too much. But yeah, putting a belt on your waist doesn't do that. Well, it has everything to do with the sarcoplasmic hypertrophy part of it, right? I mean, it's the excessive blood that's being rushed into this muscle belly. I think it actually does everything. It's not just that, it's also muscle fiber growth because they're trying to grow to accommodate for all, just to handle more of this waist buildup that's starting to happen. It's funny because the early studies on this were done a lot longer, a lot further back than I thought. I thought this was more of a recent thing. It's more recent in the sense that we're using it now in training and in physical therapy. Yeah, it goes all the way back to the 70s. I think it's maybe even before. 60s, yeah. Oh, 60s really? In Japan. Oh, you're right, you're right. In Japan it was in the 60s, it made its way over here like I think in the 70s. Yeah, it was said that the guy who discovered it recognized that his calves grew when you would kneel for long periods of time because it naturally included his calves and then he came up with this theory and tested it. So it's actually been studied a long time. I remember the first time I did it, it 100% works. You just can't, a couple of things that I tell people, one, it can't replace your strength training, your regular training on your calves. It's a great thing to do in addition to that, to maximize or volumize it. The other thing is the people that train less like the Joe Donnelly's or the Craig Capersos will see the most results I've seen. So if you're somebody who, if you follow like a- Because they're already hammering that signal something. Because they superset like, they're already exactly, they're already hitting something so close to what the benefits you're getting from occlusion, those people tend to try occlusion and they don't think it's really working as much because they already train. So if you're already a superset, triset type and low rest period guy and you are pump, pump, pump, pump, hard, hardcore till it burns all the time and you've been training this way for months on in, those people, they go try occlusion and it doesn't seem to be a big difference. If you're somebody that's, I think it's a great time to do it after, or compliment a strength cycle or phase in my training. So when I'm doing heavy singles, doubles or triples or even running the fives. Then throw it in. Yes, I love to throw it in, to compliment that phase of my training. When I'm in phase three of training where I'm doing a lot of hypertrophy type stuff anyways, I see the, I see less benefits as I do when I'm complimenting. Have you messed around with it yet, Justin? Not yet. I've been really thinking about it too. I remember we had talked about that when you started doing it again. And yeah, I've been really curious to do it. I just haven't really been motivated yet and- Well, it's such an aesthetic thing, right? Yeah, well that's why I'm asking is I'm wondering what the- It's such an aesthetic- It would probably have a significant impact. It might have a- Just because I don't, dude, the last time I really trained hard like in the hypertrophy phase, I mean, I swear it was like when I was working with you. Yeah, like that was like, I used to do it all the time in the gym and, you know, I loved it. I loved what it produced and what it felt like. I just like, I got away from it and I never got back to it. You're probably right. He would probably benefit the most. I think so and I'm wondering, I'm speculating now, but I'm wondering if the performance benefits will center around, because you got to consider, right? If you're occluding on a semi-regular basis, like every week, right? You occlude your arms, your calves, your quads, whatever, is that will your body start to adapt by getting better at dealing with that waste buildup? So maybe the performance benefits will be strength endurance. You know that burn, like you'll be able to fight off that burn longer? Yeah, yeah. I'm wondering if that would be the case. That would be interesting. That and rehab, I think, might be harder to respond. Somebody who's rehabbing knee or issues like that. Well, we have a guide. We have an inclusion guide. We don't talk about it a whole lot. It's really inexpensive, but we kind of break it down and teach you how to occlude properly. Right. Next question is from Kaisa. Why do female CrossFit athletes have thick waists? Does CrossFit ruin a female physique? This is interesting. You know why I love this question? I like it too. I love this question because whenever you look at a sport and you look at the top performers of that sport, what you're looking at is a few different things. One of which is that that person was born to do well at that sport. Absolutely. So if I look at the top swimmers in the world, I look at the Olympics, somebody who doesn't understand this may look at that and be like, oh, wow. Wow, that's a really long torso. Yeah, swimming a lot gives you a long torso, short legs, long arms, and a really flat, broad chest. It's like how people used to pilates and yoga and things like that. They used to elongate your muscles by doing these things. Ballerinas look like that. Right, right. Or maybe those girls do really well in those sports is what it is. Yeah, I think the CrossFit athletes, the female CrossFit athletes, that do really well and compete at that level, they, number one, build muscle very easily. And number two, a strong muscular waist. You better believe is gonna help you perform at a high level. Well, it's a snatches and cleans. Strength, endurance, it's power. Yeah, I mean, talk about needing to stabilize and support your spine and all the different external forces. It's like, you need to have a nice, strong obliques. Obliques in particular. Yeah, and I think that's what they're probably identifying because it's not, you don't see that a lot, especially with females having really pronounced obliques. And when you do, it's impressive. It's like, whoa, you know. If you were an olive oil and you went into CrossFit, you would never get this massive squared up looking waist. It's just, you don't have the genetics to look that way. And the ones that are like Sal saying, the ones we're watching on TV and the ones that we know are good at CrossFit, it's because their physiques were built to do CrossFit. That's it, that's the bottom line. On top of their training and all that other stuff. Yeah, I mean, of course, anybody who's heavy snatching and cleaning and doing these overhead movements is, it requires you to have a very strong stable core. So yeah, you're gonna get development there, but the ones that tended to rise to the top that are excelling at this, they're not looking that way because they excelled, they are excelling because they are built that way. So think of it more like that. Here's the thing with the whole small waist thing. This is what I, one thing that I'd hate about the aesthetic focus physical, we can hear you crunching, don't worry. Shut your mouth while he's crunching the ice over there. Can you hear that? Yeah. Adam consistently will eat something while we're trying to record. Yes, dude. So the reason why, one of the things I hate about these aesthetic, you know, based physical sports like bodybuilding and bikinis and stuff like that is they exaggerate signs that we normally find attractive. Now you have to ask yourself, why do we find a small waist attractive? It's not the small waist that we find attractive. It's the ratio of waist to hips and women and waist to shoulders and men. If there was a big ratio from waist to shoulders, it meant two things. A, they didn't store a lot of body fat, which meant they were probably active and whatever. And B, they had wide strong shoulders. It did not mean they have a small waist. Does that make sense? If you take the average six foot men in the world and you average them all out, their waist and they're all lean, their waist sizes aren't gonna have these dramatic changes. Where you'll see the big difference is gonna be in their shoulders. How wide their shoulders are, how muscular their shoulders are. This is why we're attracted to small waist. It's not the waist, it's the disparity. Same thing with a woman. When we think to ourselves like, ooh, a woman with a small waist is attractive. That's not true. A woman with a small waist and narrow hips is not attractive. It's the waist to hip ratio. And they've done many, many, many studies on this where they find women who are bigger, smaller, whatever. In fact, if you go back 50 years and you look at the pin-up girls or what we considered back then the ideal, it was about 30 pounds heavier, 20 to 30 pounds heavier than they are now. They're much bigger waist, but they had the same hip to waist ratio that we see today. So I wanna get that out there because everybody's so afraid about their waist getting thick because they have muscle. If you're lean, don't even worry about that. And when you meet a woman in person who's lean and has a muscular waist, I've never seen a woman with a muscular, lean waist that I thought to myself like, ugh, like besides the steroid ones, right? I never looked at it and I go, oh, that looks on a track. It always looks amazing because it shows their strength and the fact that they've got some, you know, some physical prowess with them. So. A lot of times though, they're not gonna have those pronounced hips. They're not, they're more of an athlete. They're built more square. I mean, when you look at a lot of the female CrossFit athletes, they don't have this sexy runway model or figure model like you're describing right now where they have these times. They actually do have the narrow waist because it helps with running and jumping and all that stuff. Right, right. So they have this narrow waist, but then they also have narrow, they have their hips are square. They match and that's that blocky. It makes it look even more. Yeah, it makes it look more like that. If they actually had more hips to them, then they wouldn't look that way. They actually, their waist size is actually pretty small in comparison to. For the most part, if you develop really muscular core muscles and you're lean, you're not overweight or whatever, you're not gonna look worse. You're gonna look a lot better. So just keep that in mind. Don't be afraid of training your core because that's one of my pet peeves when people are afraid of doing certain exercises because they don't wanna- Do you know that in my experience too, a lot of women that struggle with this kind of boxier square hips look, which this was Katrina's kind of thing. This was where she always kind of- She was a collegiate athlete. Right. And so she always had these kind of square hips and over the last three years, we spent a lot of time kind of like shaping a more- Developing the glutes more. Right, developing her glutes more and also getting her leaner, right? So and all that's me just creating more of an illusion of these bigger hips to a smaller waist. And she'd never pushed herself to a body fat percentage low enough to get rid of her stomach fat all the way through. So she's always had, I mean, she's always kept herself lean, but she's never been extremely and she's never had to push beyond to where her body had to use the body fat that she stored in her stomach, which we all tend to store a little bit more there than anywhere else. So once I took her to a point where she had leaned out beyond that, reduced all that body fat there. And then when we went back to incorporating more calories, I made sure that she was training glutes harder than she ever had before. So that surplus of calories is now getting allocated to that contrast back. Yes, and so over time, and it's taken time, she's now, I've now created this more of an illusion that she has a smaller to- It's funny too, because it all points to all these things that we, you know, we tend to want the look or we find attractive. It all points to better fertility. That's really what it all points to. Like, you know, women who store more in the lower body tend to have more favorable hormones and tend to store, you know, have more fertile or likely to have successful childbirth. So it's all really fascinating, interesting stuff. I mean, I have a cousin in Sicily who this girl could gain 50 pounds, 60 pounds. It doesn't matter. All the body fat goes to her lower body and her boobs and her weight. Like, she never stores. So she could be really big and she's got this really like pronounced hourglass type of shape and, you know, she's always getting hit on by men or whatever because she gives off that illusion of being super fertile, you know, so it's interesting. So the next question is from JP889. In the new intuitive nutrition guide, you talk about calorie undulation for weight loss. Can you use this for weight gain? You know, before you answer this question, so I'll just, this reminds me something I'm trying to do right now. So if you guys aren't following me on my Insta story, I'm trying to go through and Organify has a ton of like recipes for all kinds of like desserts. I gotta start, I gotta start trying some of that stuff. Yeah, no, it's been, and Katrina and I, we've been trying to do it. You did the Keto cookies. I did another and I did these peanut butter and chocolate chip ones. So I ate them before I did the recipe for it. They were good. They were really good. Bro, can you do me a favor? Cause this will be great. You just have to go over to his house. This would be, I was going to say, this would be great for our sponsor Organify is if you made them and then had us eat them, so we could all talk about that instead of you eating all of that. Well, that's the goal is to get to that point. But what I was going to say was if those of you guys that are looking for kind of cool, healthier recipes or different stuff, I'm going to try and challenge myself to post more of that on my Insta story and share. I just, like I said, or Sal said, I just did the Keto cookies. And then I'll put the instructions on how to bake them and then all the breakdown of all of it. So if you're not following me on the Insta story, check that out. I'm going to start using more of the Organify. What's great is the green juice really, I would have never thought that it would taste good, like in cookies and things like that, but it's got such a great flavor and that mint complements and any chocolate or peanut butter type stuff. I got to try it. Yeah, and same thing. And what I like about, because their protein powder is not my favorite tasting protein powder, but what I do notice is that when I make it in recipes where I, that calls for the protein powder and calls for the green juice, all of it combined, actually, it all, they all team that tend to speak well together as far as the flavoring profile. But you remember it's plant-based, compare it to other plant-based protein powders which are all discussed. Oh yeah, it's way better. It's way, because whey proteins usually taste good. Yes, so I'm comparing, I am comparing, so my all-time favorite tasting for baking protein powder is Optin Nutrition's whey protein. And until then. But it's also whey and it's also artificially flavoring also. Yes, so now that we have the Organifi sponsor, I've obviously started using a lot of theirs. I'll be straightforward, a normal shake, if you were to compare to the whey and all you care about is flavor, it's not better. It doesn't taste better. But for being that it has no whey, has no artificial sweeteners in it, it's all purely protein from plant, it tastes phenomenal in comparison and it actually mixes really well in a lot of the food recipes. Yeah, I used to take, I used to use the raw protein from Garden of Life, I think it was. And it was tolerable, but it's nowhere near as good as the Organifi. Yeah, I see you wearing some of it on your shirt right now. I spilled it. That's the green juice. Yes. I'm such a, I did adjust then. You will be. I was gonna say, you're taking my thunder, dude. We'll be shooting videos today. Captain sloppy user over here. So the question was about undulating calories for weight loss, because we talk about that in the new nutrition guide and then can you use that for weight gain? Absolutely. Definitely. We recommend that. Now here's why we tell you to undulate your calories, whether you're trying to gain weight or lose weight. So let's start with weight loss. When you're at a calorie deficit, when you're eating less calories and your body's burning, your body aims to adapt to that by becoming more efficient, AKA slowing itself down. And it does this through a different, a number of different ways that we've already identified through studies. One, it'll actually, people will actually reduce their activity without realizing it. So your body will make you more tired or not make you want to move as much. The other ways are through your hormones. Hormones will start to change and modify and to get you to burn less calories. Your body will lose muscle to get you to burn less calories. So there's a lot of different things that can happen. A lot of the ways you change that is through, or you mitigate that is through exercise. So the right kind of training will make sure that your body prioritizes muscle and prioritizes this optimum hormone profile because now your body says, okay, I need to be strong. So it's okay if we burn more calories. And the other thing you can do is not have the same calorie deficit every single day. Where I may have a deficit two days in a row, but then the third day I have a maintenance and the fourth they have a slight surplus. And then the last three days I go deficit, deficit, deficit again. Giving, doing that to my body theoretically should reduce the amount of metabolic adaptation that you get through being in lower calories. It should keep your body sensitive to protein. It should be more effective for basically for what your goals are. Now when it comes to weight gain, the same is true. I just talked about this in a recent episode and in our show notes to that episode. I believe it's episode, I wanna say 624. We talk about how in a very short period of time they showed insulin sensitivity being reduced within a week of being on a high calorie diet. So they had male athletes eat 6,000 calories a day so they went on this like super bulk. And within a week, within a week their body started becoming less sensitive to insulin. Now you know over the course of a long period of time this can lead to things like diabetes but in the short period of time it means your body's gonna be more likely to store body fat. And for anybody who's ever bulked up can tell you that when you go on a bulk you gain muscle at first and then if you stay on it it just turns, it's just a bunch of body fat. You just gain a bunch of body fat. This may be one of the reasons why is that your body becomes less sensitive to insulin. Your body starts to adapt, wants to gain body fat. When you undulate your calories for weight gain you use the same strategy. So what you do is you go on like a big surplus on Monday, smaller surplus on Tuesday, maintenance on Wednesday, another surplus Thursday, deficit Friday. That might be a day that I fast. You know Saturday, small surplus Sunday maintenance. At the end of the week I'm still in a surplus on average so I know I'm gonna gain but there's some days there that are maintenance or maybe even a deficit. And that keeps my body wanting to gain muscle and not necessarily store body fat and it keeps my hormone optimal. In my opinion it's the only way to actually do a bulk without putting on a bunch of body fat. Otherwise you fall into the same trap that I see happening all over, especially with my peers which is these aggressive bulks and aggressive cuts. And it was so obvious to me when I got on the circuit when I would meet guys and I would see them show after show after show and they really were kind of presenting the same physique every time. It was like sure they got better, their stage presence, sure. But it was like they followed the same protocol of dieting on off season and then they had their on season and it was like. And I bet it was even harder for them to get back even into that condition. Exactly, and what they don't realize is their body's becoming more efficient each time. So each time they're struggling to get to this. And they call it burnout. Yeah, they think they're burnout. They think it's the or they think it's the anaphyx and so they start ramping the anaphyx up. Yes, the anaphyx goes up. And in reality is what it is. It's like you guys keep doing the same thing over and you're not gonna get to this new level of physique until you learn how to bulk better because what you're doing is you go to bulk, you add 20 pounds on. And these are all arbitrary numbers but I'm just gonna, the average person gets what's going on here. You go through a bulk, you add 20 pounds. Of the 20 pounds, 10 of those pounds end up being muscle if you're lucky. It's probably not even that. But then you go to a cut from the 20 pounds. And because you've got to cut 20 pounds you're in a deficit for a long time, probably six, nine, 12 weeks at minimum. And so you lose the, you know, 17 of those 20 pounds and of the 10 pounds of muscle you build, you probably also drop off four or five of those along the way because you're catabolic for such a long period of time and you're doing all this cardio like a lot of these knuckleheads do. So you're telling the body it's not advantageous to have this extra muscle. So they just get in this vicious cycle. They bulk for 20 pounds and they cut 17 pounds off and they maybe add one to three pounds of muscle and it's the same one to three pounds of muscle at every fucking show and that's why they present the same physique. If you do this correctly and you actually do a lean clean bulk and you only, let's say you only add now 12 pounds but 10 pounds or even let's say you don't get as much like because you're not always in a surplus you only get eight or nine pounds. You get eight or nine pounds of muscle but you added 12 pounds. Now you only have to shred four pounds of fat. So now when you drop down seven pounds you've got more muscle on your body and you're even leaner this time when you actually go through this cutting process and it's crazy how this is, well it was so obvious to me when I'd start to see the same guys over and over each show because they don't change anymore. Yeah, that's crazy. Within a week, you lose sensitivity. That's crazy to me. Yeah, they were already seeing the body. Anything that makes sense. It makes so much sense. Yeah, I mean like if, I mean why wouldn't you wanna like restrict for a while? Like it just makes so much more sense to now resensitize your body and then also assimilate the food better and you're gonna shuttle the nutrients more effectively. It feels like, duh, you're gonna be able to build muscle more effectively. One of the best things you could do if you're bulking and I know I'm gonna get people debating me on this but one of the best things you could do when you're bulking is every once in a while throw fast in there. Throw, maybe once a week throw a fast in there where you don't eat until two or three o'clock and you eat less calories. 100%. And make up for it on the other days. You can spread the rest out, the calories that you missed, spread it on the other six days which is not that bad. And then see what happens. That little switch will resensitize you to insulin. You're more sensitive to protein. I mean, I did this when I would go vegan every once in a while. I'd go vegan a day here and there and I'd notice I would just do better in the gym. Not because I went vegan but because when I had a refeed my body was using the protein more effectively. So it's a very simple strategy. Plus it's a better strategy. Think about it this way. If you've ever dieted for a long period of time or you've bulked for a long period of time it gets fucking boring eating the same calories every single day. And even bulking can become a pain in the ass. Well, this is why I used to really enjoy carb cycling. Was for that exact reason right there. It was just nice that I had different goals for each day. Like this could be, this was gonna be my really low day. And then I guess what? Then I get to have a really high day after that. And then I go back to like a moderate day. Like so I really liked carb cycling because it created this natural undulating pattern for me for calories. And I loved that because it gave me something different every day. Now, obviously when I'm not competing I don't follow a carb cycle. I do this naturally. I just kind of pay attention. Like you said, I base a lot off of my daily movement. If I think that it's a day that I know I'm gonna be sedentary and I use football days for me as an example because I could literally sit around all day long on a Sunday and just watch football. Those days are the days that I tend to try and incorporate my fasting. And it's funny because anybody who tries to pay attention to this will real quick find out that the first few times you do this, it's fucking hard. You're just sitting there, right? You're watching TV? Yes, because you've already trained yourself the opposite. You know, most people don't realize that the natural habits that we've created for ourselves when it comes to eating and movement is typically we have an easier time skipping meals when we're busy and we're going all day long from one meeting to the next meeting and running around like crazy and burning a ton of calories. Well, those are the times that we have an easier time skipping meals. And then the times when we do nothing, we sit at a desk all day long or we sit and watch TV. Those are the days that we tend to make these bad choices or we over consume, which in my opinion couldn't be worse to do that. Just flip-flopping it makes a huge difference. I take it a step further too when I'm coaching someone towards intuitive eating is I have them undulate their macros too. So some days kind of like carb cycling. That's what carbs are. Yeah, it's very similar to that but I'll undulate everything, proteins as well. Fats, carbs, I'll do the whole thing just to get, plus you start to figure your body out, see what works, how you respond to different calorie intakes, how you respond to different macros. It's just a smarter way of approaching whatever goal you have in mind. Check this out. Go to YouTube, subscribe to Mind Pump TV. Adam has a surprise for you. Go check it out right now. 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