 All right, good morning everyone unfortunately due to a lack of quorum We're not going to be able to hold an official public safety subcommittee meeting In consultation with the city attorney and the city manager what we're going to do is our office of our OIR is going to give their report And we'll take public comment on that I as a council member cannot give any ask any questions cannot do anything about it It's just basically having an opportunity for OIR to give the report publicly Take public comment so that we can hear it, but we can't take any official action We can't do anything. This is not count as a an official meeting. So with that Chief do you want to facilitate? Oir given the report so do you want to? Madam city attorney, I think the decision was that all the only item that we will Unofficially take up is OIR report in order that that can be heard by the public But this is no longer and it's not going to be a public safety subcommittee meeting It is simply to hear the OIR report We appreciate that I'm sure I'm sure the chief will take time to talk to you after it if you have any questions All right, thank you councilmember Alvarez And so now we're going to move directly to the item on the agenda 5.3 with a discussion with the independent police auditor And the description is the Santa Rosa police department independent police auditor will discuss the 22 independent police auditors annual report and will solicit feedback on the program and methods to engage the Santa Rosa Community members so now we have joining us our independent police auditor Mike Janakko Steve Connelly who it does the day-to-day work working with our professional standards team and Their team member Brian course. I'll turn it over to them for further introductions and for review of the report Chief before we actually turn it over to OIR If you in the sake of transparency of this item since we do have a union representation And we also have a professional standards team if you want to go into questions maybe with individuals From the professional standards team and maybe our union representatives. I don't mind a little bit of back and forth This is a very important item. We do want to show Transparency and why we cannot actually ask questions from the dais and the public We do want the public to know that we take this item We heard your feedback. We heard the community support for this So we do want to be able to show our support and show our transparency So if you do have maybe some back and forth with the team on how you've engaged Please feel free to do that. Thank you. Okay, we'll turn it over to you Mr. Nako Thank You chief. Can you all hear me first? Yes great We are presenting our First report first annual report After year one of the work that you have been assigned us to do as the independent police auditor My name is Michael Chinako and I am a principal of OIR group and I've been affiliated with the team since 2001 I have Stephen Connolly with me as the chief indicated and we also Calling in remotely have Brian core of our team who was very involved in the outreach that we conducted last August and He will talk to you about that Look for appreciate the opportunity to present today Understand the circumstances Regarding this presentation But I'm pleased to know that we will actually have an opportunity to be With you all next week in person for various presentations including presentation to the full council next week Could we go to the next slide, please? As indicated Our team has over 20 years of experience in law enforcement oversight We do specialize in the independent evaluation of agencies and their internal review systems and what that means is Taking a look at taking a look under the hood with regard to the way in which the department responds When a complaint is received about potential misconduct how robust that response is how objective the investigation is and Whether or not with regard to outcomes whether the outcomes are evidence-based and principles Based on the information that has been to receive during the investigation With regard to Santa Rosa We have four individuals that are primarily assigned to the task As the chief said our boots on the ground at least boots on the virtual ground is generally Stephen Connolly He's been most involved in the work this year But he's received help from the rest of the team as well with regard to various matters Could we go to the next slide, please? This is a reminder to the public about the timeline that got us on the Santa Rosa planet We first got started in Santa Rosa in earnest as a result of a special assignment that the city and you all endorsed and authorized us to do which was an outside review of the investigations that stemmed from Uses of force and other concerns related to the demonstrations in Santa Rosa following the George Floyd murder and We were actively involved in that invest in that investigative process and what I mean by that is that We weren't brought in after the investigations were all completed and then asked to evaluate How the police department did that is how we operate in some of our jurisdictions, but not in Santa Rosa Instead the idea and the concept was that we would actually be involved During the development of the investigations themselves and by involved we're talking about involved in real time With regard to the fact collection process That model in the city of Santa Rosa and our work for the city is Santa Rosa Has continued on to our present Present responsibilities as well, but the advantage of having early involvement is that we are able to Interpose questions to help develop and shape the investigation To raise issues regarding additional Information that might be collected during the investigative process itself and not after everything's been Completed if you wait till the end then there is less ability to have any significant influence on that case because of timing issues because The paperwork has all been completed the employee has been notified and so this process that we have Undertaken in in in the demonstration cases as well as the cases subsequent Is an opportunity to be involved in shape the investigation in real time In November of 2021. We ended up going through the selection process Presenting an RFP response for your all's consideration, and we were delighted to be selected as IPA We got started around 2022 with regard to actually getting involved in the review and monitoring of cases Set up a process whereby the police department to its credit allowed us direct access to information including the body worn camera information the Database in which information about internal investigations are housed which makes it much more facile for us particularly since we are out of town to actually See what's going on with regard to any particular case whenever we have an interest in doing so And that has worked out extremely well in our view The city recognized that it was important for the city city residents and other folks connected to the city to have a better understanding of what we were about and what We had been asked to do and so after several several months of being operational through the city's assistance. We were able to facilitate and participate in various outreach sessions in the city of Santa Rosa in August of last year and Brian Corr will be talking a little bit more detail about that in a little bit here. Can we go to the next slide, please? In fact, this might be a good time to turn this over to Mr. Corr. So Brian assuming you are Hailing in from Cambridge or the Cambridge area on the east coast. I'll let you take over this piece All right. Well, thank you, Mike. I appreciate it and I'll just say briefly. It's very good to be here with all of you virtually It's been it's hard to believe it's been since last August But it has and I will say overall we have a very successful Community engagement visit. We had our four member team people that Mike told you about myself, Teresa, Nukula, Steve and Mike himself and We were in Santa Rosa from August 5th through August 7th So during that time we participate in a number of activities that city staff had organized and facilitated As it says on your slide there We had two scheduled listening sessions and two drop-in sessions and the distinction was that the listening sessions were more formal sessions with presentations Remarks from elected officials the city manager with the police chief was able to speak Briefly but really to listen along with us And then those were done in ways that we hope would really allow a variety of people from the community to come out We had one at the person wing Center and one at the Victory Outreach Church. I'm sorry. No one at the I should have had my notes in front of me when any of that I'll come back to that But the other sessions the drop-in sessions were less formal and they were really opportunities for people to Stop in and chat with us one-on-one. There wasn't a formal presentation One of those was at the Victory Outreach Church and the other was at the TM Rhea Penadriah, so those were both in An area of the city that you all know Rose land which is Outside the city previously and that really seemed to be a focus of a lot of the concerns and attention and During those sessions again, we got a lot of good information a lot of good feedback It's detailed in the report But a lot of what we heard was really about people's concerns generally around policing we work to Get people to speak more specifically about Santa Rosa Police Department But we heard a lot about both what's happening in Santa Rosa and more broadly the county One of the topics that we certainly heard a lot about was around the issues of homelessness and Enforcement how to support the unhoused people in Santa Rosa how to support the quality of life for Everybody in community and then certainly we were there just after the tragic shooting of Daniel playa's In Sonoma County, but that certainly had an impact and brought back memories for people But also there were a lot concerns about how will the San Rosa Police Department do the deadly force investigation of that shooting But again, I found myself in talking to the rest of the team that people were very happy to speak with us They were happy to share their perspectives and help us understand sort of the context in Santa Rosa the history But also the current state have we gone to the next slide, please So in our time there in addition to just informally chatting with people as we spent time in the city Which I was there's my first time to Santa Rosa And I'm quite happy to be there isn't a wonderful city you have the room forward to coming back again But in terms of formal meetings, we met with the police department that included meetings with union membership with leadership of the department and with the professional standards unit in Or to find out more about what they did to kind of see their day-to-day efforts, but really to have a chance to for us to have Interpersonal relationships really connect so that the work which already was going on could be done even more effectively and With that ability to really know each other the means with city leadership I thought were quite useful and those again were both formal and informal Number of people from city council did attend some of the outreach sessions But it was also a chance for us to get to know them as well and then finally right along with patrol officers which included for myself the opportunity to go out and See officers in action everything from traffic stops to an interaction with a person who was Apparently suffering from a mental health crisis and was Involved in both self-harm and being very disruptive in the environment though those I think were all very useful from our end and Feedback I got at the time I think again our whole team got was it those were very helpful for us to build those relationships I'm coming in as the new independent police auditor Of course, there's always concerns from the broader community from people who have more impact on their lives from policing and law enforcement and of course from those tasks with carrying out public safety law enforcement officers themselves and It was important for us to be able to have all of those opportunities to get to know people So I think I'll stop with that and I don't know if Mike or Steve you want to add anything on We'll go to the next slide So Yeah, if we could have the next slide, please that would be great And thank you Brian for for that summary of our trip to to Santa Rosa last summer and as Mike and Brian have both mentioned we are very much looking forward to being back in person next week and also happy to be here today to kind of preview that visit and to talk about our our first Annual review audit report in in this context. So thank you again for the opportunity So I want to talk a little bit in a little bit more detail about the the particulars of our role in Santa Rosa and the way that the contract was was initially set up the scope of work that the city established a year that the city council pushed for in terms of making sure that the oversight In the city was was robust and I think responsive to a new level of public expectations for transparency and accountability and law enforcement So I will tell you that we work in a number of jurisdictions and and we have different kinds of Relationships with different cities and different departments and different roles in some of those places It is a very very robust model that Santa Rosa has put together in terms of as that first First bullet point up top there talks about the whole idea of real-time review of all internal Investigations and civilian complaints is a very very significant Step that again a lot even jurisdictions that have some form of oversight It is very rare to have that level of Again real-time opportunity to participate and potentially influence those investigations We get notification of any critical incidents that occur. I am regularly in touch with with the Relevance team members in the police department. They have been very good about communicating and keeping me apprised of events they're going on and on a more day-to-day basis and We also have the responsibility of conducting periodic audits of Investigations and their outcomes and so that's where this year's annual report kind of falls under it It takes a broader look as opposed to the regular case-by-case operational Relationship that we have with the department and then part of our role again as defined by our contract in the scope of work Is to review and to make recommendations on on policy and training and we did a little bit of that in this report And we will talk about that in just a moment or two so next slide please So again, we have the opportunity as a Independent third-party outsider We review we can receive complaints from the public and have there are different ways that members of the public can get in touch with us And it hasn't been a very a really high volume But there certainly have been several occasions in which people have contacted us directly to kind of get information and understand a Little bit more about the role because they don't feel a particular or the comfortable going to the police Themselves at least at first and we explain the process and explain and try to make referrals over to the department to actually conduct the investigations while providing assurances that we will be kind of monitoring it and Participating in the process as it goes along our First annual report. Hopefully you had the opportunity to read it and I just it more we're looking forward to the opportunity to answer questions about that maybe next week and this Appearance today and next week is is our opportunity to report in Public and again to get that kind of direct opportunity to engage with with the council But also members of the public who are interested in in our work and in policing in Santa Rosa And then the whole community outreach piece is certainly part of what we were intended to provide and In terms of our profile in the city It's challenging when we are obviously geographically remote, but I have been in Santa Rosa on a couple occasions other than the August visit It's easy enough for us to get there when we want or need to for particularly significant events and We hope next week will be an opportunity to expand on our community outreach piece But we are certainly always available for interactions with the public and we have Had the chance to correspond and chat on the phone with people even when we're not there in person next slide, please So in terms of that the year one annual report There's kind of the occasion for for this meeting And again for our visit. It'll be kind of a focal point of our visit next week I want to provide a little bit of an overview of the process and that first piece I really want to emphasize because of how unique it is in our in our experience as as oversight professionals and obviously In the larger context of law enforcement oversight That the whole idea of the access that has been set up for us to the department's internal computer system We have full unfettered access I have the highest level of access that that the department allows for me to kind of be able to monitor and review anything that has been posted to the Department's internal database and that includes that the various Relevant reports police reports, but also investigative reports when it comes to a misconduct case investigations use of force reports and Perhaps most significantly all the body-worn camera The recordings that are relevant to the different cases that we have responsibility for monitoring So that the opportunity for me to go in and certainly other team members have this this access as well So the department has really literally kind of opened its books opened its computers to us and said hey You you are welcome to go in here and see what you need to see and we're not we're not walling anything off or keeping anything from you So that Ability to to see for ourselves what the the raw material is of these case reviews is obviously very very significant And I want to emphasize again. It's quite unique Next slide please So we talked a lot about the whole concept of real-time independent monitoring and that there are three basic phases to that one is the Notification we are alerted and sometimes, you know on the day that the investigation opens If it's a really significant case, but we are Notified early on of new complaints as they come in and new investigations the department may be opening We have the opportunity to actively participate in a variety of levels up to and including sitting in on the interviews and participating in the subject interviews of involved officers who have been the subject of a misconduct Allegation and then we can consult with the department in terms of the case outcomes what we think the Evidence is showing and whether the allegations were sustained or not and also the opportunity to kind of weigh in on potential disciplinary consequences in situations where it seems like that Policies have been violated and officers haven't met the department's expectations in some way So it's every phase and and again. It's a very robust interactive relationship that we're able to have next slide, please So just again in terms of an overview of our activity last year there were 67 separate matters that were investigated by the department 53 of them were public complaints and the other 14 were internally generated which means The investigations were begun the allegations of policy violations and the subsequent review process and Resolution that was all driven by the department based on its that the management's identification of a potential concern a potential policy violation a potential performance issue that it wanted to make sure It was it was looking into so I think both of those pieces are really Important to to make note of the idea that the there is a Vibrant complaint process that the public can take advantage of and does take advantage of is is that you could talk about? Wow, that's a that's a lot of complaints on the one hand, but on the other hand that it's a it's a sign that people are Confident in the system and feel like they will be taken seriously if they present issues to the department in that respect It's a sign that the process is working. Well, and then that the for the department to Investigate on its own initiative. I think it's also an important thing that sometimes gets overlooked with obviously public complaints are an important thing to be taken seriously and I think that was a big part of the genesis of Independent police auditor's role is to monitor those public complaints but the fact that the police department itself is is Identifying and taking seriously issues that it is uniquely able to to recognize and do something about I think is is also an important aspect of accountability to be sure Next slide, please So in again in terms of our involvement we can participate at lots of different levels including making sure that that all of the identified issues have been Framed so if a complaint, you know has four or five different elements to it We work with with the investigators to make sure that that each one of those things is sort of separately Identified and kind of grappled with in terms of the evidence collection and the the review process We participate in ensuring the thoroughness of investigations. We're able to to Monitor the progress of each case and again actively participate as needed and we can sometimes go back to the Investigator I am in touch with the the primary professional standards investigator Literally a few times a week and sometimes a few times in a day Just talking about individual cases and following up on particular things to make sure that investigations are appropriately thorough and that all the different Elements have been have been properly addressed and then our goal really does Obviously legitimacy of outcomes if you take a big step back that the public's hope and expectation is that our presence is going to contribute to their reality as well as public confidence in the legitimacy of the outcomes that that The department reaches and we are pleased to be able to say that that we have concurred with the department We don't always see things exactly eye-to-eye and sometimes that that tension or disagreement in different perspectives I think can can make for a better investigation and a better process, but we can say that we we do have a strong sense that the department takes these processes seriously that they have have Reached all of the outcomes in these cases in good faith and we are concurrence with the final results is is pretty much across the board and Then last but not least in terms of opportunities for holistic and intervention This is one of our big themes and in all the different work that we do with different in different jurisdictions when it comes to any kind of public feedback whether it's a citizen complaint and whether it's a particular use of force case that The department is going to be reviewing the officer's actions There's a couple different levels of it and one of them is sort of that bottom line question of whether a policy was violated or not And that is of course a very important one And it's probably the most important one, but it has been our experience and we think that the processes that are most useful and healthy and Effective are ones that don't just kind of narrowly look at that and stop and kind of discount other aspects of it But they see the the review process an opportunity to to really look at officer performance and policy and tactics and training and the way the Officers are doing things in the field and even if a policy An allegation misconduct is doesn't end up being sustained even if the policy itself wasn't violated There are often situations on the periphery of the case where you can say hey We get it that you didn't violate policy But we didn't understand why you chose this approach as opposed to that approach or we feel like your communication could be better Or your coordination with your partner could have been better there are lots of things that that these cases offer as as opportunities for management to intervene not to nitpick or to undermine officers but to Really use those real-world experiences as feedback loops and a chance to get better And we really have encouraged the department to kind of lean into that a little bit more overtly And we'll talk about that more in the use of force review process as well next slide Critical incident review is also another part of our mandate in terms of the the Major critical incidents that have occurred since we got started that the one incident that we've had direct involvement with so far occurred in November of 2021 that was the death in custody of a subject In the aftermath of an active shooting incident that the police department responded to and there was taser use and other force and The subject ended up dying As a result of that encounter there have been a Criminal and administrative reviews of that process the district attorney has already Completed its review of that case as his standard practice and determined that the officers Did not violate any any laws In terms of their performance and the department has completed its administrative review We had an opportunity to actively monitor and participate in that process similar to the dynamic that we've talked about at other points of our Presentation and there's pending litigation in that case We have completed our work with the department on that case and we look forward to sharing more information about it publicly At a future point next slide, please Use of force review I touched on this earlier Our window into the department's use of force review process has been relatively narrow so far and it has been driven by Complaint cases actually that fall under our Bailey with a fall within our scope of work So a handful of the of the complaints that we received involved allegations of excessive force and none of those ended up being sustained That was a result that we concurred with but it also gave us a window into The department's kind of standard use of force review process any time there's a reportable use of force There's a certain amount of supervisory review and assessment that goes along with that And in our again limited opportunity to look at that process in the context of a few cases we found some Elements of it that we thought merited more attention by the department in terms of kind of ramping up some of the The documentation and the standard steps that we would hope supervisors are taking To again go beyond that that basic question of whether the force was in policy or not Whether it was justified in policy but to look at it more broadly and to to look for opportunities to improve officer performance Where where the situation warrants it next slide, please? So we had eight recommendations in this in this public report for our first year of work in Santa Rosa and They related to these these three basic categories with regard to the discipline process we have talked to the department about Making it more of a regular Event to interview subject officers in the context of these investigations. There are a lot of cases that are resolvable Just based on the body-worn camera recordings and that has been a huge change in in our profession as oversight folks that the the development of body-worn cameras and the the way that that has changed investigations by just providing so much direct evidence of What happened? Obviously, that's extremely valuable and we rely on that a lot But there are a lot of situations that we have seen where it would still be interesting to talk to the subject about mindset and What were you thinking at this point in time and there are some things that the body-worn camera? Just can't capture and we found that on some occasions the department was I would say You know reliant on the body-worn cameras to the point where they they didn't bring in the subject They didn't think they needed to but we feel like it would be more of it should be more of a regular event To to make that a regular part of the process and not have a stigma attached to it like oh boy This must be terrible because we're bringing this person in for an interview Something must really be wrong I think the opportunity to sit with somebody and to delve into the issues in a more thorough way again of this particular way Particularly with regard to state of mind issues would be a positive thing and we've actually already seen the department moving in that direction a little bit more in that the more recent cases from the last few months, so I think that's great and in terms of consequences our experience of the departments in those Those occasions when officers were found to have violated policy We are The department's approach to consequences in those cases is a little bit lighter and more lenient than what we are used to in other jurisdictions and we have talked a lot to the department about that and we Recognize that there are some cultural factors in Santa Rosa where you know what what? Might take a written reprimand or a day suspension to make an impression in one agency Maybe an evaluation note or a documented counseling is sufficient in Santa Rosa Just because of you know what the what that means to the officers and what the expectation is and it's obviously the goal of the Discipline process to correct behavior and to make the officers better as opposed to punishing them Again, unless it's an extreme case where the officers you know termination is probably the only appropriate option but when it comes to to Low-level offenses low-level policy violations We've talked to the department about just trying to get more of a handle on whether that the consequences are sufficient to the Violations that we've seen and so there's a little bit of recalibration going on there as well We I mentioned in terms of the use of force process the whole idea of holistic review and documentation the department has updated some policies and expectations to address some of the concerns that we had and Again, it's not because it was our sense that the force was was terrible or that they were finding things in policy That shouldn't have been found in policy But instead it's more about hey, let's let's look at this more completely and Talk to the officers about force options and techniques and strategies and Equipment choices and just ways that that you know we can better emphasize principles of de-escalation Or communication or other approaches that might minimize the need for force in particular contexts going forward and last but not least One of the things that we had the opportunity to do I went in in September to actually sit in on a Presentation of the department's implicit bias training that had been a big focal point of their their training goals for 2022 and the department Internally put together a block of training for every member of the agency on this topic that is of course a very A prominent one in law enforcement and really you know in a lot of different aspects of our society these days So we were impressed with the commitment of the agency to put something together And we were impressed with the sincerity of the officers who kind of designed their own Presentation after going to a lot of other trainings and meeting with people and learning a lot about some of the academic work in the field and We thought that it was an excellent start in terms of Showing a commitment a recognition of these issues a commitment to addressing these issues and and Our recommendations have to do with a couple things one is just hey Don't just say we've checked that box and we can all move on but keep it on the kind of the front burner as a focal point of ongoing Concern and updates and attention as far as the leadership of the department is concerned And secondly one of the things that was interesting was that it was department members themselves and There's some thought that bringing in some kind of outside voices and sort of expanding the lens a little bit There would be some Value to bring in some outside perspectives as well Even with the best of intentions obviously the office and I think the officers themselves had a certain credibility with their peers That I think was an important step, but obviously there are experts in the field and people from different life Circumstances who could bring a lot to that conversation, and we hope the department will keep that in mind on a going forward basis Next slide please Wow, I believe it or not. I really am gonna stop talking now and we are I know we're on a little bit of a Different format today just with the structure of the meeting, but again We are happy to have this opportunity to present and we look forward to engaging with with everybody in more detail next week So thank you Thank you very much to the entire OIR group team for that presentation as well as your patients Chief to you or professional services or our Union representative have any questions or feedback they'd like to give at this point No feedback, but other than this the chief of police We're really happy with this relationship and really it's been an opportunity for me to have that other lens of looking to what Can we be doing better at the Santa Rosa police department and and I think just one really crucial thing to Support what Steve Connelly was just saying of the absolute unfettered access that our independent police auditor has Which is quite different than what you see across the state of California across the nation and even here locally Of having that instant access of having the same login that I have as the chief of police to our internal process of reviewing every document The same with our body worn camera system And I think it's really important to us that our independent police auditor is involved in the process every step of the way from when We're crafting the allegations for our officers. They have the opportunity to be part of interviews If they believe that they would be able to support that Investigation and before I make the formal decision on what the Discipline is on more significant cases we're able to meet and get their feedback on those things and they really provide a great Perspective for me is the chief to be able to happen So it's been something that we're going to be carefully analyzing their recommendations and be moving forward With the areas that we believe that we can make some positive changes All right, thank you Any other comments all right with that we'll go to Public feedback since it's not an official meeting We'll still keep it timed at three minutes just to be respectful of everybody's time here So step up to the podium if you have something to say if you're here in person if you're online press star nine To or either raise your hand. I think we can do it that way Mr.. Dwight if you want to make your way to the podium. You're the only card that was submitted today so So we'll start with mr. Dwight and then we'll go with Anybody in the room that would like to say something and then raise your hand if you're on zoom or if you're on the phone through zoom Just press star nine to raise your hand and we'll get to you Take it away when you're ready mr. Dwight Thank you kindly. My name is Dwayne Dwight. I'm from Roseland and I wanted to first Thank you for continuing the meeting this morning and then thank the police department for the work They're doing for the city manager for the work She's doing and the council members for being on this subcommittee. It's a very important subcommittee and Wish the city attorney well as she moves on to her next adventure I'm glad she's been involved and I hope she tells the next city attorney That this is perhaps one of the most important subcommittees that the city can have and to make sure that there's a good Communicative activity between your office the police department and the community The police chief just mentioned a question. What can we be doing better? one of the things that I see as a community member is that there's a lack of robust communication Now that word robust comes from jurisdiction agencies very few people say it out in the community Except maybe people at wine tastings The thing is There's not really a strong Communicative situation that goes on between the police department and the community in terms of just talking to community members They've how they've now had coffee with a cop. That's a good thing. I saw it at the cafe aroma the other day Thank you so much for being out there But that's not the ultimate way or perhaps the most optimal way in which you can interact with just regular folks in their community Beat cops that walk The walk that come out there and talk the talk also with the residents could be much more helpful This is the type of thing where it builds that trust and it lets people especially business owners know that they're being Heard is the term I think is best The regular folks that live in my neighborhood We got lots of issues going on We got what's considered a speedway if you will a raceway of young people Racing their cars breaking the law not caring about a lot of stuff when the police are there It stops but the residents don't know how to talk to the police to get this type of an oversight going So I'll leave you with the time that you just ask the chief of police and His public relations people to begin having more events in Roseland That are specifically geared towards walking and talking with the residents the citizens and everyone beginning of feeling of We're in this together and what can we be doing better? Right at three. Oh, wow Thank you so much Good morning. My name is Nancy Pemberton And I am a member of the committee for law enforcement accountability now and I want to thank the public safety committee oh, I are and the chief of police for this meeting for the hard work that's been done in the last year and I commend they're all I do have a couple of comments about the Content of the report one thing that concerns me is That there's no discussion of interviewing Complaints there is a great recommendation that more people more subjects should be interviewed before coming to conclusions But I also think that more complainants need to be interviewed the people who are complaining are not going to be the most articulate the easiest to understand and Interviewing them specifically about their complaint can uncover more information and I think that should be done more frequently Secondly there were a couple of descriptions of Complaints that it was not clear why the OIR group concurred in the exoneration Two of them were very minor and were actually pointed out in the in the narrative one having to do with a guy sitting on a Blanket and being approached and then finally asked for identification They said there was no violation of policy, but there's no explanation of why the guy was actually I'd asked for identification There's no explanation that he was doing anything that should have Permitted under law that put the police asking for identification the second one was a Guy sitting in a car. They receive a neighborhood neighbors complaint that there's but somebody Suspicious for sitting too long and again and the police told that the guy he had to move on There's no explanation of why he was told he needed to move on or quote encouraged to move on He had every right to be sitting there He and in fact they told him he was parked illegally and he wasn't parked illegally So I don't understand why there was no violation of policy or the law in that case so in both of those cases I think of if Bigs honorations were justified a better explanation is is required. Those are the kinds of Interactions with the police that cause People in the public to distrust police those are those small level interactions that are That that seem to be arbitrary Are the things that really raise people's hackles so I would encourage you to either relook at those kinds of things or Provide better explanation of why they should be exonerated. Thank you Hi, my name is can you hear me? Yeah, my name is a lot of Medina. I live in the first district and I kind of wanted to comment on On something that I heard recently In a conversation during a coffee coffee with a cup of aromas One of the issues that I brought up that was a concern to me was when it comes to SRPD the lack of support for civilian oversight much like a little at the county level and what was Mentioned to me is that one of the the things about the independent police auditors that these are experts that really understand the issues of How policies and and the laws around police action works and And and that was kind of brought up as I Said that in our in our justice system when people are being prosecuted they have the right To be judged by a jury of their peers, you know people that aren't necessarily experts These are people in our community that Sometimes don't necessarily want to serve in our jury But but I think that in terms of building trust Accountability is essential and I think civilian accountability Is something that that really could go a long way to better building that trust and and and I would hope that the city and The police department can maybe move more towards that model where a civilian oversight Is established that isn't you know necessarily just a paid organization But some of that is members of the community that participate in the community Maybe not experts but people that I think have a vested interest in making sure that we Have an accountable police force that's accountable to the people accountable to civilians of this community and the city I Think it's essential towards better relations and You know, I think we could all acknowledge that Our police department is essential and we want it to serve our people effectively We want to have good relations, but we do require accountability And so I just wanted to highlight that issue and Push the the city and the city council and the police department to to work towards that to a civilian oversight Of our law enforcement agency. Thank you. Hi. I'm Susan Lamont district, too I've been a regular attendee at the community advisory council meetings of Iolaro and I've become sort of a broken record there on a particular subject and I would also Want to reiterate it to this? this group in the OIR and that is Reaching out to the public to make sure they actually even know you exist because truly the majority of the public doesn't know and to find out keep them informed about what you're doing and Why it is important so I Know I know for a fact that Iolaro has had real trouble in the past with the press democrat getting the word out now we've Brought some pressure to bear and that has improved recently, so I would I would really like to see both OIR and Iolaro and the CAC and and the police departments to all approach all the media in in Sonoma County and Essentially ask but it's essentially would be a demand That there be regular coverage of what's going on that they would promise That they would do this now not everybody follows media but I Think it's in it's important that the public knows what you're doing and knows why you're doing it and knows what they can input We don't get it we don't get a lot of turnout back at the back when these organizations were first being started there was a lot of public interest because they were generated by by critical incidents and Now the public has sort of stopped paying as much attention and it but it doesn't mean that things are less important So I really would like to see in addition to being at Events and being out in the public and being out on the street that there really be a cooperation between these groups and And media because the public needs to know thank you Thank you. Is there anyone else in the room that would like to comment? I think everybody has All right, we'll turn we have one or a hand on zoom. All right, we'll turn it over to the zoom host to help facilitate that Thank you. Hi Jim. I've unmuted your permissions and you are now Able to speak Hi, this is Jim Duffy. I'm an oversight practitioner living in runner Park. Thank you for taking my comments It appears that the downtown enforcement team operates under different protocols From the rest of SRPD that governs the team's strategies and approaches the public safety subcommittee should host a presentation on these strategies and Approaches as they appear to result in increased citizen complaints Also, the city council should direct SRPD to adopt recommendation number one I want to echo what Nancy Pemberton was saying All these recommendations are good But this particular one recommendation one is critical to the integrity of administrative Investigations and complaints and not only all subject officers, but all complainants and all witnesses should be interviewed when there's a public complaint Creating effective any bias training is an iterative and difficult process And I command SRPD for for really leaning into this and I've heard really great things about How things have been going? I encourage you to continually to be holding these trainings as developed while working with your staff in the community to Continuously improve the trainings. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good Done correctly these trainings will continuously improve over time Cenerosis current oversight model of outreach Has or oversight model has outreach, but no community wide available community engagement function Outreach and engagement are different and are often confused Both are essential to a well functioning civilian oversight regimen I think you could start moving towards more engagement by having the CCAT host a couple of open town hall style meetings a year It's great that the CCAT will no longer be appointed by the chief I encourage you to consider community organizations doing the importance or a lottery system for the appointments to the CCAT There are many better appointment processes than using the agency executives or the city manager and OIR if you ask them they can help you think through these processes. They're really good with this stuff Thank you for taking my comments There any more hands on zoom? All right, that's all great feedback unfortunately because this isn't a meeting We can't get into it back and forth and ask follow-up questions On Tuesday the 20th, this will be going for the entire council and that's when we'll have an opportunity to address these things see cat oversight In general, so I encourage you to all show back up But as for now, I guess we will adjourn this informal Presentation of OIR if there's unless there's any Yeah before we adjourn. Thank you councilman. Oh, crikey. I just want to make a few announcements. So OIR will be here On Wednesday, June the 21st. Well, it'll be here Tuesday to present to city council There were all they will also be here from 9 to 11 at Tia Maria So you can do a drop-in meeting and if you have questions if you have questions about the report If you have questions about the process or how to make a complaint They will be there to have casual one-on-one conversations They will also prevent present to the community advisory team at 4 o'clock and from 6 to 7 There will be a community meeting So there's there's plenty of space available. We welcome all the public business owners And staff to attend Again, we want to make this process very transparent, you know OIR is here one to help us with accountability Accountability and transparency. We want to make certain that we continue to enhance our community engagement We want to build trust Are we do have a top-notch police department? They're professional. They're focused and they're focused on the community well-being That contributes to a safe and secure environment OIR also helps us with sometimes we have blind spots they point out professional development needs that we could also enhance And this is it's independent. They have their own autonomy So we want to make certain that you the public are aware that they're going to be here next week If you have questions, you can call the city manager's office as well The chief is also available for comments and questions. So thank you Thank you very much and with that I just want to say again Thank you so much to everybody for their time patience understanding During this non-meeting and we'll revisit this on tuesday. Thank you