 Hey everyone, welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast episode 26, and we've got some some cool topics this week One of them though the one we're starting out with Has me a little hot mother right now Yeah, I was actually gonna do a separate YouTube video on it But I ran out of time which means that might be why you're seeing this episode of the podcast This this part of it come out sooner than Monday Because I really want to get this out the door. Well the news is hot so EA Oh electronic arts. Oh Electronic arts that unprecedented partnership for those that remember back in the Wii U days the unprecedented partnership. Well today They released a list of games that they're gonna have available at their EA play which we're at E3 last year I said outdoor thing. Yeah, which was really confusing and we tried to play Madden at it Madden was apparently not in it or was somewhere and we couldn't find it There was no directions on where anything was we randomly watch it to an arcade totally not listed as an arcade anywhere Yeah, so you get inside. Well, there's a party on the other side. No signs indicating any of this, right? No maps no direction We went up to the A thing and then we ended up finding it back in back inside the main area the Microsoft area It was I don't even know what was going on. It was Anyways, it was so cool. Yeah, I just hope they have like maps and stuff so they're gonna have a whole bunch of stuff playable there and You know, they're gonna have the new Star Wars Battlefront They're gonna have Madden, of course NBA live need for speed Sims battlefield one on the name of czar, which I assume some DLC They're gonna have new content for a galaxy of heroes Titanfall 2 NFL mobile and be alive mobile yada yada But for all we know none of that's coming to switch. So who cares, right? Well, one game is coming to switch has been confirmed for switch since the announcement back in January Even really before that FIFA So they have FIFA 18 listed as being there, but you know what else they have listed as being there EA sports FIFA on Nintendo switch as a separate listing from FIFA 18 So, oh no Let's go over what this means One it means no Nintendo switch is not getting the proper FIFA 18 To it means Nintendo switch is not even probably getting a current gen version of FIFA It's probably a last-gen port possibly even a port of the Vita version from years back Which wasn't that good and with updated rosters and crappy visuals that are not gonna be representative of what the switch can actually do because EA doesn't care about providing any sort of Development team to actually find out what the switch is capable of right So it's gonna be some mobile version. They might even be a straight-up port of the of the mobile phone version for all we know On top of that in the past when EA did this because they did this with FIFA and Madden Which by the way Madden hasn't confirmed and might not be coming at all So FIFA and Madden came to Wii U in its first year And if you are Wii U owner you will quickly remember that those were last-gen version ports that just had updated roster We're missing all the new features and on top of that EA used those games as Reasons as to why people don't want to buy their games on Nintendo platforms. They said, oh look We gave them Madden and FIFA and no one bought it So we did there's obviously not an audience for our games and here is where we get into the great conundrum Because everyone's excited for a full console FIFA 18 portable But that's not what anyone's getting you probably not now again, we haven't seen it Maybe right maybe for some reason they don't want to officially announce this FIFA 18 But it really is FIFA 18 and we end up having all our fears put the rest But chances are no because they haven't given proper FIFA treatment to a Nintendo system Since the GameCube days maybe it's been a long time since there was an on-par FIFA game There's always been oh, we got to have the Wii play version That's all arcadey like that nobody wants because they're trying to buy a sports simulation game in FIFA FIFA is a sports simulation brand not Arcade brand okay like like NBA Playgrounds It just came out clearly an arcade brand clearly different from NBA 2k now That is the one saving grace is we don't know yet what how the NBA 2k games gonna turn out they have announced it is 2k 18 So if it is on par, you know, yes, everyone we know it can't technically be on par 100% visually right But if it is on par gameplay wise With the other versions, okay I will happily support 2k if they do that because I won't I love NBA games to take it anywhere And three walkie-bucks, baby. Oh, yeah, come on. They should be pretty good rated the honest might even be a 90 plus now So anyways This frustrates me on many levels and I think it's understandable because I like EA games I know some of you other all EA is all evil all corporations are evil You want to get into the some of the bad the bad things in Nintendo's closet? Do we really need to get into that? I mean some of you guys think Nintendo is perfect. Trust me. They have some skeletons No, that could be a future topic here Nintendo skeletons a whole podcast. Oh my god. There's so many dislikes in eight, you know But EA has a lot of games I like I love the Dragon Age series. I love Mass Effect. I Well pretty much anything Bioware makes I really really like even Andromeda which ended up being kind of a letdown It's still a solid game. It's just not as good as the trilogy of Mass Effect You know Dead Space 6 even though that got the series kind of canned and was more action-oriented and microtransaction He it was so fun. It was still a good game. I've obviously played Madden every year. I like FIFA I don't buy it every year, but I like it. Oh, yeah, I enjoy just a lot of things EA makes and We found out a long time ago that EA Activision and Ubisoft and maybe a couple other companies that were hinted and not confirmed Were partners with Nintendo when the hardware was being made Okay, so they basically gave feedback and suggestions on what they wanted out of Nintendo's hardware as it was in development So they knew more about that hardware than anyone but Nintendo and Nvidia knew before it came out So EA is known what the specs of this thing that it was basically going to be a taker x1 for a long time They've known And I'm sure Capcom was involved too because Capcom are there's is the reason the switch has four gigabytes of RAM instead of two Because there was only gonna be two gigabytes of RAM in there and the Capcom gave like hey our engines need at least four So then Nintendo's like Yeah, cuz they wanted to satisfy third parties that that's that's one thing that we do know Nintendo did with this is they did reach out like In the past Nintendo's been accused of oh, they don't reach out the third party to see what they want Which was totally true of Wii U totally true of Wii probably even true of GameCube I mean third parties would easily told them. No, don't don't do many discs. No, yeah No, that's done. We don't want that great, but Nintendo reached out to third parties and said look we're making the system that Connects to the TV you could take with you. It's gonna use cartridges. That's not debatable But we're flexible on what you want on the system. You want paid online. You want to cut of the paid online I'm sure we're sure we'll find out down the line that the whole reason that Nintendo is gonna have paid online on Here's because EA and other companies said we want you to have paid online Like I'm sure EA might even talk to Nintendo while bringing the vault over because the vault right now Vault on Xbox one is really cool. You spend like I think it's like you can spend all at once I think you buy it for 50 bucks a year or it's like eight five bucks a month or something like that And you get access to all of their old library of games basically from six months in prior So like Madden come like six months after it comes out. It's in the vault. You could play the new version of Madden You could I can go play Dragon Age right now I can go play Battlefront I can go play a whole bunch of the games that they've released over the past few years for relatively cheap And it's just a subscription fee every month. It's really what we want Nintendo to do a virtual console to be honest, right? but That's another topic for another day. We talked about before we'll see what they do Once they announced virtual console with switch will actually have a discussion then on what what they're doing and what we wish But this is very upsetting because I Don't want half-assed on switch. I didn't want I didn't want to know we you like if you can't give us The full version of FIFA even if it's not We're not talking about visuals just gameplay wise if you can't give us that Is it safe for me to be like? Fuck you a I not even gonna apologize for my language. Yeah, no I know like I never said this was a family friendly podcast. So I mean we try to keep it Yeah, but it's not guaranteed. I don't give a fuck right now. I am that pissed that We know what's gonna happen. The game is not gonna sell well because it's gonna play like shit. It's gonna have bad reviews and EA is gonna come out months later when people are asking Hey, is FIFA coming next year or is Madden coming or is this coming when EA says well We don't believe there's an audience for our games on that platform we're gonna and they're gonna cite this EA sports FIFA on switch game and Everyone's gonna be like we've never gotten a real game from right. Yeah, give us a full Version of no old versions people portable versions of right a version part it over we want Actual FIFA and the thing is it's not like the visuals and FIFA are so intense during gameplay that you can't have that Visuals and FIFA look impressive when you're doing the up close stuff, right the cut scenes the celebrations That's fine. If the visuals aren't gonna be as good for that the actual gameplay looks like a bunch of dots on a field kicking a ball around, right? You can't tell me the switch can't do that We've seen games that are more impressive looking in FIFA already on it and that's Breath of the Wild and that's a Wii U game Right, so FIFA is not like this massive masterpiece of visual fidelity that they cannot possibly bring it over NBA 2k 18 That's right 2k 18 is coming to the system now. We don't know if there's anything cut out of it We're hoping not we're assuming not because 2k always does usually a fantastic job Their stuff, I know they kind of started letting out with the baseball game once and will be the show came along And now they don't even make one anymore, but whatever They're not perfect. No one is but when they bring their game to systems. They don't fuck around So 2k is gonna be bringing probably the full version of 2k 18 and 2k 18 is some of the most Impressive will 2k series in general for NBA has some of the most impressive visuals Do they re-scan players faces every year? They update the fidelity you can see beads of sweat and pores even opening up as they play throughout the game You could actually see players physically get tired. It's not just a meter. You can actually tell they're tired It's really cool, and they always have pretty good crowd animations and it's like They can do that and they're bringing it to switch, right? I mean what we saw in the footage of NBA 2k that probably was last year's version in the Commercials for the switch already looks more impressive than most FIFA games, right? So actually I think of searching today for topics and stuff like that I actually think I saw some some pictures of 2k 18 NBA and my god, yeah Well, I don't think it's not gonna look as good as those pictures Those are probably like ps4 pro xbox copio Yeah, but still either way because they're gonna make they're gonna release like the best looking possible ones Right, but this was also I think on Nintendo everything so it might be well that yeah, I Don't see. I don't know how well that's a thing. No, it's their news well, they post basically anything and 2k 18 is coming to it's any news for 2k 18 is news for a Nintendo fan Like oh look, there's new screenshots for it. We don't do we know where they came from other bull shots Either way, it's probably gonna look pretty good I don't obviously we are not talking about the switches ability to produce the same visual fidelity as a ps4 pro and xbox Scorpio even xbox one or a PlayStation 4. I don't think any switcher I think all switch owners understand. It's a portable system We don't expect it to be as good, but we expect the gameplay to be as good and there's no excuse Yeah, have you seen the physics engine in breath of the wild? Okay, they can do that on Wii U They can handle FIFA physics. Mm-hmm. They can handle Madden physics. Oh, yeah for sure. I mean This is there's it's not like these these physics engines I think are you know anywhere near as extensive as as breath of the wild is crazy. Yeah, I've never seen a game That has a kind of like I've seen individual aspects of those physics in other games, but this is like everything together. It's crazy now. I Know compare comparing that kind of game to sports games. I get it people don't like that, but here's here's just where I think this is all asinine is Nintendo switch is really popular right now There was just an article up on MLB comm from this past week or on Tuesday I believe there was a rain delay and the Braves were playing Nintendo switch and playing Mario Kart for the three hours and 12 minute The rain delay very nice. Yeah, and this wasn't a paid advertising by Nintendo And the reason you know it's not a paid advertising by Nintendo is because they called it the Nintendo We switch and they called it like Mario Kart racing or something instead of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe Nintendo if it was a Nintendo Oh, yeah, they would have all the official terms and oh, yeah linkage. Yeah, so like this was just hey They notice some people playing Mario Kart and they asked them about it. Yeah, right? Yeah, so You have the switch out in the mainstream basically when you start seeing athletes Talking about it and there was a picture of a soccer team in the UK on a bus that we're playing it like It's hitting mainstream success right now. Oh now whether I maintain is that who knows? but right now when athletes are starting to advertise it without being paid to do it because they're just playing it and enjoying it and Casual people follow athletes back. Oh, man. What is that? They're playing Mario Kart. Who plays Mario Kart in my way second switch? Yeah Wait, and then I'll tell you see it switch all of a sudden you see the people on on the bus holding these devices saying hey Look, we're playing with our Nintendo switches People are gonna go to the store to say hey, can I get that Nintendo switch? Oh, my favorite players playing how much is it right? What is it? What games does it have people start getting interested because people they do follow our into it because a lot of a lot of You know general consumers do not follow say Us the prime or everything wish I GM. I mean they should but whatever They they follow sports teams. They follow music. They follow this and that everyone's got all their different tastes And when those people start getting into it that tells me that there is something here Well, I know a lot of us the sports figures also Like to play sports games because you see it all over the place with like Yeah, we just had a man tournament, you know, I played myself, you know, why not? Yeah, the soccer teams Yeah, we played FIFA on the team plane Except except they couldn't and now they can but it's gonna be a shitty version of FIFA, right? That's my point There is an audience for these games, especially these sports games. Oh, yeah, and they are screwing the pooch right now with it I mean Potentially again again, you know this slamer we haven't seen it We don't know but the fact is listed separately from FIFA 18 is a pretty big indication. It is not FIFA 18 I mean, I don't know how you can think that there's not a It's probably a play version. That's motion controlled. I bet sure they probably just ported the fucking Wii version Not even the Wii U the Wii version Yeah, and when all kids arcade style with it and gave you updated rosters with zero updates zero DLC zero anything With really shitty visuals and I say that because remember we have seen the game running on switch officially one time They had a commercial for it. Yep. Yeah, I believe it was in the UK or in Japan and the visuals looked like shit They looked yeah, like GameCube level great, and I'm sorry We've seen better already on the switch. Oh, yeah, so This is where I get worried because it basically When I when I see EA sports FIFA on the tennis which suffer from FIFA 18 And that doesn't tell me that yeah, put their B team on it They put like their D team a bunch of rejects that that probably just usually handle porting probably interns There's probably interns that did it nothing against interns, but I'm not trying to insult the people that made it because We haven't seen it. We don't know maybe ends up being really impressive But if it's so impressive it shouldn't be separate from FIFA 18 in the first race it's one of those things that EA's fucking people over and The problem is the rest of the intro uses as an example of oh FIFA didn't sell so why should we release our game? Why should assassin's creed come to the same movie they can't sell FIFA most popular game in the world? We can't they can't sell it on the system. So why should we bring assassin's creed the only? reason why I could think that if it was a good game and The reason why they're calling it You know FIFA 18 switch version is to point out the fact that they are on a Nintendo console But but that's about the only You know cuz they don't are we going Super Mario Brothers you style here We got to put the console name in the game title You know what I'm saying though cuz he hasn't really been on Nintendo consoles So it's gonna be like hey, we have finally have one for you So here it is that's about the only way I can see that being Any sort of positive I don't even think they're positive. I mean, but it is if it ends up being FIFA 18 And they just don't call it FIFA 18 But I think that's just brain confusion. Wait, so it's FIFA 18, but it's not called FIFA 18 So is it FIFA 18? That's what consumers are gonna be like. Yeah. Oh, this is FIFA for Nintendo switch So is this the new FIFA? Is that the old FIFA? Yeah, what what the hell is it? Is it not FIFA 18 for the switch or is it just FIFA for this? It just says yeah, I'll show you Right there in the press release It says literally EA sports FIFA on Nintendo switch versus FIFA 18 above it That's why I'm saying and they're even throwing the EA sports title in it If it's literally titled EA sports presents FIFA on Nintendo switch or even big giant Nintendo switch logo on some guy's Jersey or whatever It's like you're stupid. You're missing. So so actually that lets itself actually to me more Towards a older version because of the fact that it's not labeled 18. It's FIFA Which means it could be FIFA 15 It could be FIFA 14. It could be none of them. It could be none of them. Yeah, exactly It could just be some new. Oh, we want to try some new playstyle because of the HD rumble and this other I think you're missing the fucking point People buy FIFA for for sports simulation soccer if you're gonna provide anything that's not sports simulation soccer Nobody fucking wants it, right? Release a totally different game and like NBA playgrounds is and call it something else call it You know major league soccer or whatever or you know, whatever come up with some funny name like playgrounds for it Yeah, you know like like blitz I come up with a name that clearly does not mean sports simulation FIFA is associated with sports simulation, right exactly So again, maybe we're overreacting because we haven't seen it But history is shown when EA does this or even when they don't do it because they called it back when FIFA 12 came out In 2012 they called it FIFA 2012, but it wasn't it was FIFA 2011 with with the FIFA 12 logo Right, so Maybe it's a good sign because they're not calling it FIFA 18 when it's really FIFA 17 ported I think maybe I don't know It just it upsets me not because that this game is gonna get screwed around with it Maybe you guys don't care about FIFA, but it has a larger scope picture for the way third parties are continuing to treat Nintendo I'm hoping that 2k 18 for NBA comes out improves it wrong improves. Hey, look, I hope it's like the counter punch Here's EA just being lazy fuckers not spending any money producing a shit game And then here comes NBA 2k and then look NBA 2k ends up selling 2 million on the console improves Holy fuck, there's people that will buy it if you actually make a good fucking game. Well, right and again I was like I was gonna say before um I don't know how they think that there's not a sports market because sports all together is Easily a what a multi-billion dollar industry easily With all the four major sports and soccer included well, then you're definitely multi-billion dollars so In how many fans watch that I mean and then Nintendo Majority stake of the Seattle Mariners for a long right? How is it not an audience? How is there not a baseball game Nintendo would have had literally a whole baseball stadium that it's on national TV to advertise? I don't know like I don't Nintendo's not gonna make themselves But hey 2k if your game sells well, maybe you should knock on Nintendo's for me Hey, look, you know, I'll be show this to suffer Sony. How about we bring back our 2k baseball game exclusive for you guys? They do not own they still do own a stake in Seattle Mariners It's just not a majority the only one 10% but I'm sure with that 10% they can be like hey look at me advertise Oh, I'm a baseball game at the baseball stadium. I'm sure that the Seattle Mariners would allow that They might even build a separate room with switches in it that Steak still gives you some say oh, yeah, you know a Nintendo not not gonna get it You know they don't get final approval, but in come on also Nintendo. Who's gonna say no That's what I was gonna say the Nintendo probably look we can give you a couple mill like I mean for some other reason If let's say you were die were to actually own 10% for some other reason. We're not Nintendo No, it's gonna say no to Nintendo. I mean, well, you know unless it doesn't make sense Right, but like it doesn't make sense to have Mario mascot running around every game anymore because they don't know Exactly, but it still makes sense to do some things with Nintendo. Nintendo should be able to leverage at 10% for advertising, right? Especially if it doesn't take away money from the team Exactly so anyways, I just think and I think a lot of you guys are gonna agree Yes, this is EA being fucking EA and for every good thing they do and every positive step they take and the games I like from them. They always seem to fuck over Nintendo fans You know the Mass Effect 3 port was was not good The you know FIFA and Madden were shit like we got treated like shit on we you got treated like shit on we You know, they gave us arcade style Madden and it's like what the fuck are you doing? Just release NFL fucking blitz. Is this the 64? Oh, let me oh, it's motion control. It's not arcade. I'm like really my characters look like NFL blitz characters It's fucking arcade. Oh, definitely I'm just very upset about that just because EA because as I said EA started it on Wii U and that bought that made other third parties believe their games We're not gonna sell because EA's games didn't sell right when EA never wants not one time on Wii U Despite that unprecedented partnership actually put full effort into a game Now Ubisoft did zombie you was 100% like a nice studio and zombie you sold almost a million copies right and now is that launch and This is more popular than the Wii U at launch So in theory if they did that again, it would sell well Assassin's Creed 3 and Assassin's Creed 4 ram pretty well on Wii U. Unfortunately, the Wii U was tanky so they're ended up not being a very good audience right but This is a different story now because people then see a reason only you and they can just buy a better system for the same price Yeah Now you can buy a better system for the same price But you can't take that system with you you could take this with you that taking with you factor is what's getting that all This pub right now by all these sports figures. So now's the time you take advantage of it and actually lose good fucking sports games, right? So again, I'm not I'm frustrated because I want good sports games But I'm also frustrated because I think this is gonna make other companies We saw just gonna look at them be like, oh, so that and sell well our rabbits Mario crossover just did so so because people didn't care about rabbits or whatever right and They just it was too too much not like Mario so That didn't do very well because it's just a weird crossover and So now okay, so sports games are signed we try working directly with Nintendo that didn't sell well We're down. We're not bringing the Assassin's Creed. We're not bringing this we're not bringing that right and it's like That's just stupid if someone could just put you know, and that's why I keep looking I mean I put in a lot of pressure on 2k here if you put 100% effort in the 2k 18 and it doesn't sell Okay, then yeah, okay, then you can then now we have an example of a game that was given We're a team put their a team on it, right and it didn't work It didn't move units. No question for you though. If you were a Nintendo, would you go to EA and go? No, we're not putting this in our system. You give us what everybody else is kidding Not anymore. There was a time they would Mm-hmm Nintendo used to have even a strict policy like Xbox had you know, I think Xbox is relaxing I know but Xbox used to have a parody clause You must release the game at the same time as every other system Well, you know and I think the thing is is I think switch players would understand if You went and said hey look we are bringing this to the system But we want to make sure that this is the same game Well, then they'd be okay with that your prime example Ryan came out today the day we're recording this Ryan came out It is not out on switch yet. It is coming out at a later date switch owners Aren't they here's like it's actually getting really good reviews like 9s and 10s Yeah, we're talking like breath of the wild territory right now for reviews. Um, but it is Not on switch yet and they released a tweet today, you know, they're like, hey, look We told you it wasn't going to be there. We do apologize. It's not here yet, but it's coming We're getting close. So yeah, it might not be here now to probably be here next month But we know we understand one they're in these studios. So we know they only have so many resources So like, you know, this you know, they were making this game before switch was even a thing So, you know, they haven't had a lot of time to develop But what we do know the fact that it's being delayed is that means our a team is on it. Oh, yeah It's not some hired out studio doing it. It's them being like, no, we want to make sure it's done Right, we want to do right exactly by the we don't want to release an inferior version of the game Right and as Nintendo, you know going back and saying, hey, look Yes, we want we want FIFA on this console But we want to bring it to you right and EA was not going to bring it to you right So we're going to tell them no until you bring this back They won't Because EA will just be like, well, if that's the case, we're just not going to bring FIFA And Nintendo knows they make a royalty on those sales. So Someone's going to buy FIFA. It's not going to get zero sales Yeah And it doesn't cost Nintendo anything. So say say they release it. It sucks. It only sells 100,000 copies Nintendo was no risk there. There's made money of 100,000 copies that if they say no, they don't get any of that money Whereas EA probably didn't even make their money back on the investment with 100,000 copies. Yeah, so it's It's a conundrum. Nintendo used to be Uh, totalitarian like that Back in the NES basically through the gamecube days. This is actually why third parties left nintendo is When the NES broke out the problem in the games industry is there was no filter Okay, the platform holders basically let any game under the sun come out on their system And it flooded the market and it's not that it flooded the market You know, like you can argue the markets be flooded today Thanks to indie games, but it flooded it in a way where it was very hard to find the good games So you bought a new Atari 2600 and the first four games you buy for the thing all sucked donkey shit And it felt like you wasted over a thousand bucks You're done You're not into gaming anymore And that happened because no one knew what the good games were because video games are still a relatively new thing Outside of our crates. Yeah, but they're they're not now No, no, but like so nintendo came into like look We're gonna pre where you need to go through a strict approval process with us Basically your game is not coming on the system until we play it and we say it's coming out Right and nintendo rejected tons of games. That doesn't mean there were bad games in NES There were bad games that made it through probably because of money reasons Especially a lot of the movie games that came through a lot of those sucked. Oh, yeah I mean it is what it is So but reality is it wasn't hard to find good games nintendo set it up in a way where the stores had the good games in the front Not the back right and it wasn't just nintendo games They had quality third-party games the same with the snes and then by the time the play station came out Uh, it started getting to the point Where not only was nintendo a little bit behind the ball because play station had higher quality for cheaper With the cds and with the music quality and stuff like that and the fact that it could play dvds, which is right, right? Um But also the fact that nintendo was still holding to the we need to strictly approve everything before it comes on On our platform and sony's just like dude. Have a game bring it. We're not gonna stop you Right, which was what and the scary and nintendo's like no, we were in the right because we went through this This is why the industry crashed with people doing this. Well It's not like sony just went back to the stone ages sony still put their games front and center which Meant that people when they bought the system could quickly find quality games from sony or from their sony partners So like that and that's kind of the way they is now when you go in the nintendo e shop Right now on the switch. There are some bad indie games on there But the great indie games are right there front and center snake pass. Yeah, you know, uh, what's it thumper? Thumper is amazing by the way, um You know how like hd rumble was kind of cool and want to switch Actually, I haven't played one too. Okay. Well, it's it's kind of cool. It makes sense a little bit Yeah, like you can feel the balls and everything. It's neat when you play thumper Oh my god It makes you wonder why hd rumble hasn't been here forever Like it actually proves what hd rumble can add to a video game. It's It's such a crazy game As long as you don't get as long as you can handle like bright lights and don't get seizures. It's crazy. It's a crazy fun game. Um But anyways, it's It's just frustrating. I'm just frustrated. That's just the way that I'm frustrated I'm hoping that we're wrong. Oh, I am too. But this is ea more probably And I think people for saw this coming Not only because they didn't call a FIFA 18 when they announced it But because also the one time we saw it it didn't look good and you're just like come on That's pattern recognition. It's like come on man. We know it can be done better until ea does something different Why there's there's a reason there's a reason that the other soccer games were selling better than FIFA even on 3ds Because they actually put effort into their fucking games Pes it was their a team making that 3ds game. It wasn't fucking D team hired out for four months