 Here for the last, last session of the day before our cocktail hour. And I'm just happy to welcome everybody to the community engagement group meeting. I am going to put a link in the chat for anybody who wants to learn more about the community engagement group and potentially join there's just a link that you can follow. Let me go ahead and share my screen. Okay. So, the community engagement group was formed a couple of years ago out of one of these conferences where we just decided we wanted to keep conversations going we had Sally's formatting users group, but what about some of the other issues that we're thinking kind of like what we talked about at the panel today and some of these other conversations so we started the community engagement group to talk about honestly whatever you all want to talk about. Talking about the changing culture that we have in our workplaces promoting professional development. Sometimes we have people come and they just have a question like what's everybody doing about this sort of thing. And so we'll just have an hour long chat about what everybody's doing. We have, we did one talk recently about stress management for thesis reviewers because it does get pretty stressful at the end of each semester when you have the students sending the emails with the exclamation points about you know we got a deposit by today. So, how can we take care of ourselves while also, and so that we can take care of our students. We're going to have some really fun topics coming up. One involves names on the title page and names that students use and changes to names that students might want to make how do we deal with that how does that that work at different institutions. So I can suggest a topic for the community engagement group just shoot me an email, and we'll get that straightened out. And we'll get you all set up. You can come to us with a question or full on presentation we are a laid back group. We meet every other month so the months that Sally's not meeting those are the months we are meeting so we'll be meeting in October and I'll send out some more information about that really soon. But if you have any questions or want to know any more information you can reach out to me at what near to Illinois.edu. And without much further ado, we're going to get on to our flash talks. So, basically, we have around seven flash talks, six or seven flash talks. Five minutes each. And I have a team of people here helping me so Valerie is going to be monitoring the clock and she'll let you know when you're getting close to time. Terry green I am not a cat is going to be monitoring the chat so that we can have questions and she'll collect your questions for you. And then I'll be coordinating the screen for everybody so I should have everybody's points with me right now. What the plan is is that we'll go through all the flash talks and then at the very end, we will have all of our questions just so that we make sure we get through everyone's flash talk. And so, please continue just put your questions in there in the chat as you have them, and we're going to give it a go. So, our first presenter is Elizabeth McDonald from the University of Memphis, Elizabeth the floor is yours. Well, hi, thank you very much for letting me do this. And I want to just start by saying I'm a catalog librarian. And so I have a librarian's perspective but also a catalogers perspective. I don't know all the audience makeup I will try to keep the jargon to a minimum but we are going to go into some of the weeds and I apologize for the weeds up ahead. So what what I'm talking about is switching new or URLs for old and library catalog records. In our institution, we create and maintain bibliographic records in our library integrated library system library catalog for each of our electronic theses and dissertations this continues the process that we actually did with our print theses and dissertations in the past. And originally we had locally created platform that housed our etds and in 2021 we migrated to be pressed digital commons platform. And of course the new URLs meant we had to update or I had to update all of the existing URLs that link to our old system. And there is a program that I discovered called mark edit mark edit allows you to edit mark records which is the input format for bibliographic catalog system records, and it has a merge function, which I only just discovered which allows you to transfer information from one mark to another mark record so I thought I would go about how I use that to get this new information into that I a lesson and some of the issues I also had with OCLC which is our vendor that where we create and distribute catalog records from. So, what we did is what I did is, we get the information from the be pressed system, which comes to us we can download information that goes into an Excel spreadsheet. And I use the mark edit program to create what I call a mini bibliographic record, or a mini mark record and that's the first record you see up on the screen where I could include the ID number oh and one of the things I meant to say is. We were very fortunate in that our original ETD system created an ID number for each ETD that was entered into it, and I was able to put that information when I created the mark records globally to put that information into a field the oh too far on the mark record so it was there. And that allowed me to use that as a match point when we migrated the information into the digital commons I included that record number into the metadata as an ID number in the press. So, once we loaded everything into be pressed, we got a spreadsheet out an Excel spreadsheet out from them, and I use the mark edit program to create the mini mark records you see there, which has as you can see the number which is 1375. And I included a title in case I needed an eye readable match and the 856 which is what our link to the digital commons is. We then exported all of our ETD records out of our seat we use the Sierra integrated library system. And as exported them in the mark format, and what I'm showing you in the next little snippet is the information that came out as two pieces of the information that came out with our mark records which is the oh to for which has the same 1375 number in it, and showing you the URL link to our old system. And then what I did is I did some brief editing of massaging the records to change an indicator on the link, which is the for when you see in the 856 record and I apologize to people who do not speak mark tag. But that change allowed me to be able to delete that old link from the bibliographic records. Once everything was done. I used the mark edit tool which is merged tool which allows you to sync up your records based on a number of different features but one of them is a strict numeric one so I was able to tell it, you know, only move things from record 1375 to record 1375 from our Sierra system. And once I had done that programming, you can see at the bottom of the screen where the mark record then had two URLs the old URL and the new URL for the digital comments. If you want to change the screens now. And you can also use this program to add notes at a later front if you put them into your mini mark. I did do that, but I didn't put that information up here. We then I then went through and deleted the old URL and did some more massaging and reloaded the records back into the Sierra system. And I'm showing you a screen snippet of the back end of what it looked like once everything was done in our Sierra system which is the new 856 the new link that goes in there, and the display that goes out that our students see that tell them it's a University of Memphis digital commons that changed from the old system and that it's an open access record. Now, we do put all of our ETD bibliographic records out onto OCLC that is our vendor, and some of you may be more familiar that that is also what powers the first search system if you've ever used first first search in your libraries or in your on your campuses. And so all of our first search records all OCLC records also had all of the old URLs. I went through and did the same process and then discovered that OCLC would not allow me to upload the new information by batch or singly I had a call into OCLC and a number of changes. So I really started to do it manually but didn't want to we don't have near the number of records that some of you talk about but almost 3000 records is still a lot of updates so when I talked to our department, they were able to put a redirect on the old system so if somebody finds one of our records in first search and clicks on the link, they get a redirect to our new digital commons. And that works really, really well. My concern with that is we are at time. Okay, we can't delete the old system. And that's a concern long term. Perfect. Thank you, Elizabeth and I want to tell you you have a lot of fellow catalogers in the chat and on the call so you're, you're in good company. Well that's good to know because I was a little concerned at one point that I was going to be, everyone was going to get the look when you interview catalogers and they talk too much in the public services people go to sleep. Yeah, that's okay. Nope, not here. And we're going to keep you on the spot because you have a second one. Yes. And I thank you for being willing to put these together because this information that we're talking about a stable ID as an anchor is something that came out of my work in transferring the data. And as I said, we migrated, and we use the locally number to be able to sync things and it would have been a nightmare without that. And that old number, I was convinced that I wanted to be able to have a number in the metadata because it needs to be in the metadata. So it can be downloaded to be able to move forward with the digital commons because I wanted to be prepared for the next time. So in conversations with the press they said to use the manuscript number which I've given you an example up here. And another number that they have is a number that's obviously coming from their, the link to their old system, but you would have to massage to get that out of there. As I was working on creating and updating these new records in the system and testing it, I became concerned because this manuscript number actually behaves more like a record number. And it doesn't download in all of the download features that we got from B press. So I was very concerned about that. And, you know, I've had experience with proprietary information and I don't want to say that I don't trust it, but you can't always get things that are in proprietary numbers out of systems and I wanted to be able to move this number if we needed to go forward. So I talked to our digital initiatives librarian and we agreed, and you can go to the next slide to go ahead and put our own number in to the, to the new system and from the system that in our B press system. And the old number from our system, old ETD system is called an identifier. And we had a number created called a ProQuest ID and looking forward. I probably should not have had it named ProQuest ID, but that's what we put it in as. We made that number the same as the old ETD numbers. And as we move forward, I am just adding numbers on to that element to be able to continue to have something in the system we can work with. I'm showing you an image of how the old number looks at our catalog in the back end and how the new number number works. Why do I think it's so important to have this kind of number in there and the first thing is migration. And while we've just migrated and we're not actually looking to migrate anytime soon. As librarians, we know that systems migrate all the time. And when we're putting data into our metadata, we're putting data in that will live in systems in some form for decades. We have in library catalogs records that go back decades and some of the information in our online catalogs came from print catalog cards when we were actually converting into the systems in the 70s. So, to me, it was really important to be able to have a hook and have a numeric hook. One of the things when I was part of the group that set up the original old ETD system and the IT people were like, oh, well, we can match off author or we can match off title or some, you know, system of those two. And I was like, no, no, we can't do that, you know, if you work with data, you know that authors and titles are not unique. We already have in our system. Someone who did a master's and a PhD in at the University of Memphis and use the exact same title for both of them. So it looks like a duplicate record, but it's not a duplicate record. We also have a number of titles which are three essays in finance. And of course, that's not unique. So numeric diet data is unique where authors and titles aren't and we know going forward this is going to only grow. I did use URLs in a match point when I was trying to put the manuscript number in, but you don't want to be keeping old links, a 56 links to your old data data systems in your system and record numbers. Record numbers is again, they may not be, you may not be able to get them out when you go to migrate. So I strongly encourage and and wanted to let people know our experience using a match point and to consider even putting them in manually to keep your data to be able to be able to move and keep your data synced up with your local catalog if you actually put your records in there. And that's basically what I wanted to want to talk about. Fantastic. Thank you so much for both of your presentations. This is really important work that you're doing and I do know the, you know, five essays or three essays on macroeconomics and there's like 10 of them. You know, it's the same title that everybody's got. Yeah. So as I get in, I appreciate that hard work that you're doing. All right. Thank you. Our next flash talk is Charlie so Charlie Greenberg, take it away. All right. This is gonna be like a petra kucha because I have a number of slides I'll just say next slide and save a little more for some of the other slides. So yes, the journal of electronic theses and dissertations is an open access peer reviewed journal about ETDs and I happen to be the founding and still current managing editor. And I can say next slide. So, you know, the J journal JETD is sponsored by ND LDT. And the host for our open access journal is the institutional repository at the University of the United Arab Emirates next slide. So the journal was actually launched in the spring of 2021 but the planning for the journal goes all the way back to about 2018. And I was part of a committee that was trying to figure this out for a long period of, you know, what are we going to do and how are we going to do it. And then we came up with the initiative that we really wanted to start it. And so again, Dr. Edward Fox is the executive editor and you can see the current list of associate editors, including the executive director of us ETDA. Yeah, he knows something about this process. Next slide. Yep, so we do do an honest, careful peer review and I know this drives authors up the wall because it simply takes too long still in our system, where we don't have paid staff but we have a lot of volunteer staff all over the world in different time zones, but it is now to get through the system and to give each paper to reviews, blinded reviews. And I do the communication with the authors when they, when they are understandably cranky because they haven't heard anything in a long time and yeah Terry is ready to shoot me. He has been one of my projects, trying to get it published and then having to revise it and having to provide the reviews and pinpoint where some improvements can be done. And yeah, I'm not a cat. Yeah, either am I but next slide. So we do have, you know, submission evaluation criteria, and you can see that we look for organization clarity articulated problem, original contribution to the ETD field. Does it include a literature view, do they clearly have the design and methodology and standard English and established reference style. So you can see there's a sheet and the image to the left where people can actually, you know, work up approximate score when they provide feedback. Next slide. And this is from the author guidelines page. We have in the author guidelines, very careful. This is for manuscript preparation and a checklist for submissions. And, and it's amazing when things come in and they don't follow the guidance but that's that's part of the process. So I don't have any sort of staff that's going to sit there and try to improve manuscripts because I'm not a commercial publication. I'm a volunteer managing editor for a nonprofit organization. So, next slide please. That's it. Everybody stare at this. Yeah, this is the format, this is the citation format and paper format it's kind of plain and I know it's not beautiful and we can't yet adopt some sort of software that can make our articles beautiful but we want to standardize on APA seventh and the APA website has a link to a model paper that you can always start with. I frequently are sending the link to the model paper to authors to ask them to conform. Yes, next slide. This is the up to date kind of global readership for the 11 or so articles that we've published. We, we have a good, absolutely global readership a high readership and of course the United States, and also India where the ETD symposium and the LDT ETD symposium is going to be next month. In Gujarat in the city of Gandhinagar, Gandhinagar, that's where it's going to be. Next slide. All right, and you can see the titles you can see these on the journal site next slide. And this is our most popular article. Well, popularity is based on a metric of how fast does it get read read it read once it was written and you can see the staff and figs share wrote this article. Thank you very much. Thank you Charlie and I think you know john has a thing in the chat we can circle back to in a little bit but I think there's some really interesting discussions that we've had today that and yesterday that could potentially become articles for Charlie to take a look at and be published so be in touch with Charlie or john if you have questions. And we'll move on now to Kristen, who's going to talk about AI. Is this. Did you get my slide. Yep. This is your title slide. So can you go to the flip. Yep. Can you go to the main slide. Okay. Hi everyone, I am really excited about artificial intelligence and specifically generative artificial intelligence. I think this is going to help us, because I have a I have a feeling that the ability to use plain language to speak to computers is going to make our students lives easier when they're trying to format their electronic thesis and dissertations. So the tool that I'm talking about is called co pilot. It's being developed by Microsoft and it's actually not developed yet. And I haven't really used it yet so I'm totally imagining what the future might be. But what it, what they say about their co pilot is that it's a suite of assistive tools integrated into Microsoft applications. And it's going to be essentially just like the help menu or like, if anybody remembers clippy from the old Microsoft word. It's going to be something that is sort of within the interface but not necessarily that intrusive. I believe that it's something where you can interact with it using natural language. And so my idea and this is what I hope it's going to be able to do and something that you can start imagining like how might I use a generative AI that I can speak to with natural language in my work as a electronic thesis dissertation administrator. So the ideas that I have are for example, if you have a user who's typing their thesis into Microsoft Word document and they're like manually applying bold format to the text that they want to appear to be a heading. So the Microsoft co pilot will be able to say to them, hey, is this a heading, would you like to use a heading style. And so then instead of having to educate this user about things like heading styles, digital accessibility, making an interactive outline for your PDF that Microsoft Word is going to be like already anticipating this need on behalf of the user and they'll be able to make helpful suggestions in that way. I also have this high have this fantasy that you'll be able to like as a reviewer. Hey Microsoft Word, this is the list of format requirements that I want to check this Microsoft Word document and that the co pilot will be able to look through your requirement list, and then look at the document and sort of magically say, yeah, I do see there's something missing on page 68, or it looks like maybe there's a chapter missing or you know those things that we see, because we're meticulously scrolling carefully through every individual thesis or dissertation. My hope is that Microsoft co pilot could make that a little bit faster by understanding what the requirements are and then searching through that target document on our behalf. And of course, I believe that it will be a immensely valuable tool for enhancing digital accessibility features in a document. The generate of AI technologies are one of the scariest and most incredible abilities they have is knowing what pictures depict. Even though right now, the automatically generated alt text for figures in Microsoft Word is notoriously inadequate. My hope is that once they get co pilot going and integrated into the system, it's actually going to be quite good, potentially to the tune of, you know, that being sufficient in and of itself, such that you know if a writer or author does want to add their own alt text, it would only be to improve the existing alt text and not to make it minimally sufficient. So those are some ideas that I have about what co pilot is going to do. Like I said, I haven't actually had a chance to try it yet. I don't think anybody has with Microsoft Word, but the co pilot technology is actively in place in Microsoft PowerPoint. So if any of you use PowerPoint to make your slide, you can now open up in PowerPoint this feature called designer. And it'll open up a panel on your PowerPoint interface and it'll say like, you know, do you want your slide to look like this. I personally am not that good at designing slides but PowerPoint designer. I used it to make this slide and I think it's rather nice and it was effortless because I simply clicked a button and it said okay here's a really beautiful circuit board and, and then it moved over my bullet list and formatted it all and I think you know pretty pleasing considering that I put zero effort into it so these are the kinds of things that that you can keep your eye out for and if you're like, not sure if AI is going to impact you this is, you know potentially an exciting way that it could make your life better and easier. So we are at time. Okay, perfect. Thanks Kristen. All right, our next presenter is Behrouz. Okay, yes. Hello. Thank you, Emily. Hello, everyone. Thank you for having me here and I should thank you as ETDA for this opportunity to learn from you all and share my flash talk about the values of the national EDD programs. I'm representing Iran Dark and organization which is collecting and disseminating EDDs across Iran. Well, there are different types of EDD programs at an institutional level at a national level at a regional level and at the global level while there are many, many institutional EDD programs around the world, the number of national EDD programs is very limited, maybe because of resource allocation, cultural factors, legal consideration and technical infrastructure challenges. Well, some countries have established their NETDs, let's say NETs, including the UK, British Library, British Library, EFAS, Canada, thesis Canada, Brazil, DTD, while Taiwan, Turkey, Lithuania, South Africa and India, Italy and Iran. There are different models of national programs, some of them directly collect the EDDs themselves and disseminate their full text like shotgun gun in India, while others prefer to harvest these works from institutional repositories. Well, participation in some of these programs is mandatory, like test records in Turkey, but others do not compel institutions to participate like it has in the UK. Some only gather metadata like EDD portal in South Africa, while others collect the full text like thesis Canada. But why NETD programs are important, what are their values? Certainly, NETS programs offer several unique and significant benefits that make them important in the realm of academia and research. One of these benefits is enhanced accessibility. Well, do you have my voice and my video? Emily, do you have? Yes, I can hear you. Yeah. Okay, thank you. Well, one of these benefits is enhanced accessibility. NETS programs make research more accessible to a wider audience by providing a centralized repository for EDDs. They ensure that research findings are readily available to scholars, students and even general public. Another value is increased visibility. EDDs hosted in national programs perceive a greater visibility. This exposure can lead to increased citations and recognition for scholars, which is especially valuable for early career researchers. It also benefits institutions by showcasing their research output on a national or institutional stage. NETS programs contribute to the preservation of academic heritage in a country. They ensure that the intellectual contributions of graduate students are achieved, archived and maintained in a secure traditional format. Furthermore, NETS programs provide valuable data for research evaluation and impact assessment. Bibliometric analysis, citation counts and download statistics can be used to measure the influence on a region of academic work. This data is instrumental in making informed decisions regarding funding, promotions and research policies. Well, NETS programs align with the principles of open science. They promote transparency, collaboration and the free exchange of knowledge by offering well as unrestricted access to research. They contribute to the acceleration of scientific discovery and innovation. Indeed, academic integrity is another significant benefit of NETS programs. NETS programs often incorporate plagiarism detection tools and systems or can be used as a significant purpose in order to support other plagiarism detection tools. Okay, please, we are in time. Okay, another value is cost saving, another value is enhancing employment opportunities, informed policymaking and decreasing research. The application are among the most important values of NETS program. Thank you very much. Thank you. Fantastic. All right, we've got our next talk, which is from Ruth Lou. Take it away, Ruth. Thank you, Emily. Hi everyone, my name is Ruth and I am the director for thesis and dissertation services here at Ohio University. So today I'm going to talk about a dissertation writing retreat programming at Ohio University. So dissertation writing has always been experienced as arduous, iterative and very complex. So in order to better facilitate such efforts and create a more supportive campus writing culture, Ohio University has continuously improved program programming to further graduate students scholarship development. So this writing retreat, formerly known as writing boot camp has been one of the signature programs that has been run successfully and received positive feedback from students from all disciplines. Now it is a joint effort among the graduate college, the academic achievement center and the university libraries. So in order to mindfully design an intentional workshop, we had a few learning goals in mind. So these are the three big ones that we want students to take away. First is to provide students with a nice opportunity to improve their dissertation writing skills. This includes refining research methodologies, strengthening argumentation, time management and also enhancing their clarity and coherence of their writing. And second is fostering collaboration. We want very informal platforms for students to connect with each other and sometimes during the writing process they would exchange their WhatsApp number or set up meetings after the writing retreat to meet individually and we would like to for those synergy to to foster around campus. And I also think yesterday learning from Kristen and Lily and a lot of other present presenters, I think, setting up a canvas learning module would be a great idea to implement in the future. And third is to send setting and meeting milestones, things like Canada to see those the period after Canada to see how can you keep the students motivated after this period is pretty crucial. So next slide please. So here is the overview of this specific program. It is a two day dissertation writing retreat designed to provide students with focused time and the supportive resourceful environment to work towards their dissertation so we have quiet writing time on each day for four and in a separate room we have a resource fair and some other activities such as consultation and panel discussion from students who have done this rotation and or are going through the process so they can know in first hand how this experience is like and can can commiserate as well with other peers. And we also set up a three step program assessment pre registration when we collect students info after the program we do a focus group and then after the event will do a follow up survey so that we know how to improve this overall experience. So, and also this is a hybrid programming so we have in person portion and also the online version. So there will be a tutor or facilitator to answer students questions during in these writing spaces. So, in consideration of time so thank you for listening. And I would love to hear if you have any suggestions or feedback, and I will turn it over to john for the last presenter. Thanks Ruth, I know we'll get back to you in a bit for some questions. And we are on to our last flash talk. That is Mr john Hagan john take it away. Thanks so much Emily and everyone for participating I see we have about 60% of our registered attendees in this session so that's good to know. Could you pop to the next slide please. Yes. So, we're going to talk about resources and I see my arrows are missing on this slide here. But the, oh, there we go, you got him clickable. So, community at the actually at the top of each web page on the US e to da website. There are some prime links and those that's probably easiest way to navigate to find the information you need very quickly. So, community resources. We have a variety of web pages we've talked about earlier in this conference the community engagement group, e to d format and users group. We have the US e to da forum which is on Google groups, and so anybody can put questions out there for the entire list and so forth. We have regional representatives for the US and other regions in the world and we're in the process of developing that and we'd really like to have your participation in that process. There are options to volunteer for example if you're interested in serving on the US e to da board of directors we have an application, and we always welcome fresh faces and new perspectives. And then I've added some other links recently that are quite related to our community resources. So we have our conferences archive you can look up information about our own past conferences. We have an events calendar and actually on the upper left of each corner of each web page. There is the current events going on. And so you can always click into that and that's where you purchase tickets for the registration, I mean registration tickets for the annual conferences and so forth. And, oh, so we have the US e to da members list I think it's on the next slide, membership enrollment options and so forth. And then next slide from the membership web page. We have new three basic options now we formalized our membership processes. So everybody can get in the door with a free associate membership that gives you basic access to all of our resources. I'll talk a little bit later about some of our resources are locked but you just need to log in. So you just need to sign up and then you can get an occasion newsletter for us and stay in touch. We have our institutional membership which is really valuable, particularly for folks who have multiple people at your institution who would like to attend the conference we offer a discount for unlimited number of staff at your institution which is only $100 per year and that certainly helps to sustain our nonprofit organization. And then we have an individual membership as well for smaller programs and special circumstances. Next slide please. I am going to skip out on the demo but you can certainly visit this online our US e to da members page has a listing for everyone who signs up under an institutional and roles under the institutional or individual membership plans that primary contact at your institution will show up there. And when you go to register that's where you can check to see if your institution is, you know, is a formal member or not. And then we have access to you have to log in to access this, but we have the member contact information and then if you log in and click the next slide. You'll actually be able to see the entire list of all of our members the associate members institutional and individual members, along with their email address and so we really would like to encourage you all to find who your peers are. And then one other aspect of this in the search protocol there, you can search by last name, organizational affiliation, or type of organization and if anybody who's gone through our membership registration process. There is a fixed field for libraries, graduate school, I think information technology and other so you can quickly bring up a list of, you know, people you want to see that are only in libraries or only grad school etc. So I think it's pretty handy and really helpful and we hope that you will utilize that to network with each other all year long. What's our next slide here, Emily. So, then the other prime resources resources for each of the professionals and as I mentioned earlier, some of these resources we've left wide open, for example, it terms and definitions things that are fairly common and you know we don't want people to have to But some of the other resources we find are, you know, somewhat precious and we want to reserve them for, you know, engaged community. And again, you just need to get either an associate or individual or institutional membership and you can log in and have access to all of that information that is there. I recently updated the accessibility resources from the workshop yesterday and so we have a lot of new links and information. Emily, next slide, quick pitch for next year, we hope you will join us either in person or online in Provo, Utah, for us at the 24 conference to be hosted at the Brigham Young University campus. And so we're really excited and gearing up toward that. And then the next slide. So I would implore you, see if you're interested and you want to host, help host a conference us at the conference in the city near you to let us know I think we set January 1, 2024 is the initial deadline for bids us at the handles all the financials and everything we just are looking for local host support and logistics and that kind of thing so please engage yourselves with our resources and thank you very much Emily. Yay, we did it. Okay. Thank you all for presenting. And I want to turn it over now to Terry. See if we have any questions that we can share. Thank you. Can you hear me. Yep. Okay, I put everything on to a Word document I did not have clippy to help me. I've highlighted the actual questions instead of the comments. First question. True question came from John to Charlie's presentation. Specifically, could you elaborate on the types of publications that JETD accepts. We accept a good research or the research design we also accept commentaries. We would also accept a carefully done review of a particular online resource. It pretty much is laid out in the instructions to author the types of ways that they can write to support the journal. Does that include like a write up of conference highlights of our conference for example. Yeah, you see I'm kind of hedging. I saw in your description of materials that that seemed valid. I thought it asked because we'd like to. I think the glow, you know, we have a global we have we have been attempting to publish a global perspective on ETDs for a particular year. It's like a commentary. So yes, that's true. Now in terms of the account of a conference. I don't know. I'm sort of hedging. I have two minds about this. I just wanted to do like conference reports of I think horizon was the publication I've done a few of those and like to see us. We have a news area of our of our websites. So perhaps I think of those conference reports is something more as news, not necessarily a scholarship. That's my opinion. Like I know we're going over so I just want to make sure we address one other question. So, from to Ruth from Kristen, I think part of this question was already answered in the chat of in terms of how many students participate in the writing retreat. Is it mostly finally your students how do you handle event promotion. So I don't know that all of those questions were addressed. And the last set of questions are for you, John, from to clarify on how colleagues would join if they have an institutional membership. So I don't know if either one of you want to address it right now or follow up. You know, since we are going a little bit over a little bit. Briefly. Yeah. The process for institutional members, whoever signs up for the institutional membership will then have a link that they can share with others, other colleagues at their institution, and then the other people can then create an account under the umbrella and corporate account basically that's how that works. And then the main person who signs up and pays the bills or whatever their account shows up under the official us to the supporter members, and then in the members directory, everyone will show up along with her email address to, you know, be contacted so forth so does that address the question. And thanks Terry I think I've answered Kristen's question in the chat. Thank you. All right. Well, thank you all so much for coming into the community engagement group meeting again will be meeting next month topic to be determined but I'll be sending an email out to anybody who is interested in participating. So just sign up for that and sign up for the group through the link on our website and we'll get you on the list. We have a little bit of a break right john and then we do our closing ceremonies. And our closing ceremonies involve prizes, so please come back for prize time, and we'll see you back here in a what like 10 minutes I think. All right. Thank you all.