 Okay, welcome to the second Soas Taiwan film week We're going to be showing I think How many films that six films over the next three days we will have four directors award-winning directors Q&A sessions I'm delighted to start off with a director that's here at Soas for the second time Jiang Wei-hua He came he last came to Soas in December of 2013 and we saw his film Guang Cha the right thing which which looks at a critical social movement in Taiwan the wild strawberry student movement that emerges in In late 2008. I think so. It's a really. It's a wonderful film that shows the rise and decline of this Social movement. It's a it's a very very It's a film that if you study social movements, it's a great case study film I think the importance of the film has risen over time as We think about the Sunflower movement and the real revival of Taiwanese social movements since 2008 It's an it's a topic that we've been trying to cover in a number of ways over the last couple of years we've done a conference on social movements and Last November. We looked at the latest film on the Sunflower movement time will you Come about the English name of that one was This film is a little bit different from From time we get because it's actually what what I try to do in this film is to look at what happens to the the wild strawberries to movement generation in the next five to six Six years the film is still He's still working on the film. So what we're going to get today is some clips both from Guangtang and also from from his new film the mob that's that's in production So Let's welcome give Joey why I saw us a second So Would you like to start? Then we'll just say thank you guys in such a short time to see a film that hasn't been completed yet I would like to thank you for Getting up so early to come do all this way to see an unfinished film Okay, well, we'll wait a minute. We'll do the method. I'll put three clips from the right thing What what he will do now is show you three clips from the previous film from the first the right thing Guangchang to late foundations Okay, then I will put about Six clips My new film that this this is a clip He is not from The last finished film he made it out that he is still in there. It's possible that he will continue to be edited Then I'm going to show six clips from the new Work however He wants to emphasise that it is not the final product, it is still ongoing and he is probably still editing. The first clips from the new film, although it is a kind of protest and conflict between the protesters and the authorities, however it is not from the sunflower movement clips. But then the last one was the clips was a scene of the mob or the protesters getting into the legislative union. Oh sorry, executive union. Ok, then in between those two beginning and concluding clips, actually it is a collection of characters who participated in the previous wild strawberry movement and what happened to them in between this period. Ok, then I am going to put three separate clips of the rising film. Ok, I am going to talk about the first clip. This clip, you will later see a lot of them in the freedom square, the constant changes between the students. The first clip he is going to show you is actually a thing that is a debate between all the students. All the student representatives in a debate situation. What they really care about at that time, actually later on you will see it reflected in many student movements. They care about whether they should represent as a representative of this particular movement. Who are they? How can they represent one movement? And also when should this movement draw to an end? And how it draws to an end. Seemingly it feels quite pedantic as if this catalogue appeared to you, but do you understand the background of this particular movement? The political situation at that time when Ma Ying-jeou just came into the office, the conflicts between the blue camp and the green camp that are opposing political forces were much intense than at this moment. When the movement was initiated without any organisation or pre-knowledge what they are going to do, because they don't know each other very well, not at all, sorry, at the beginning, so they don't usually have the trust of each other. Many of them care that there might be some people who in this group they don't know or trust. Well, let's put it this way, harvest, take advantage of this particular movement. And that's why you can see quite a lot of people actually propose to set up certain kind of bars or certain kind of bands for people in this group and preventing them to make use or benefit from this particular movement after the movement is finished. Ok, so if you are more clear about the 318 movement that happened last year, you might find out that the 318 movement doesn't only represent students, but it also represents the media, and it even represents the stars, the stars. I think this is a huge difference between the two movements. And of course, the more famous one that most of you know, that's the March 18th Sunflower movement, that in the process of that movement actually you can see quite a lot of very highly organised organisational skills and also they really know how to use the media. And the student leaders sort of become superstars and being idolised. So that's what he said, it's really the major difference between the two student movements. Ok, then let's look at the second clip. Ok, the second clip is about... It's the same, it's about them continuing this thing. Ok. At that time, this movement was very popular among the people, but as I said just now, it's about the relationship between the two non-believers, so they went through a process that can't be organised, and they also made a group to achieve these dreams, and they wanted to make up for the selfishness of some people. This particular clip really demonstrates that because how to deal with the donations by the public, because at that time it was quite high, and because of this distrust between everyone, and also because they don't really know each other, so they have this kind of clause, anti-organisation clause, after the movement ended to prevent people taking credit and taking advantage of this particular movement, and also preventing some sort of selfish beneficial actions. Ok. But when this movement is really... the number of people is decreasing, they need to turn, for example, when they say that they have to turn into an NGO or become another way to continue the spirit of the movement, they need to discuss how to resolve it, how to set the rules of the past, and how to tie this thing up. Ok. Then when the activists become smaller and smaller because the elite gradually forming the leadership, they want to transform this particular movement into something else, maybe into some sort of NGO or organisation or format. Unfortunately, they are sort of shackled by the anti-organisation clause. They passed previously, so they were discussing how to get themselves released from this kind of clause. Ok. This movement is also because of the problems of the movement, so in the end, it can be said that it was completely failed in the way of the movement, in the way of social movement. After this movement ended, for the last few years, I personally think that the activists learned a lot from this movement. Ok. Because of all the major problems you have seen, actually, he said, I'm not sure I agree, but I said that the movement was a total failure. The method of anti-organisation itself is a total failure. And what about the participants? After this movement ended, I think they learned a lot from this movement. Ok. Sorry. But because of this particular movement, actually the process taught them quite a lot. The participants have learned quite a lot of lessons from this particular movement. After the movement ended within the five to six years, actually many students went back to their campus and started to organise all sorts of different kinds of clubs and associations, and not just organised within the campus, but also linked up with different campuses as well. Ok. So the social movement or the anti-organisation movement has become very effective. I think it's because they quickly organised and helped each other before they organised. In the end, this movement appeared in the 318 movement. Before the sunflower movement, actually there were quite a lot of major or minor movements and protests. However, most of them that organised by the students were very efficient. They were very organised. And also the best thing is they not only organised the protests themselves, but also they connect with each other. Actually, they were echoing each other's agendas and supporting each other. Ok. So, I'll go to the third section. This section is about the biggest distance between the police and the police. You mean the next one? Yes. The next clip we are going to see is a particular movement. I think it's the most major event during that movement was the police trying to evict all the protesters. Ok. You can see that in the 2008 movement, the students' main way to evict the protesters was, I mean, when facing the police, the way to evict the protesters was the way to evict the protesters. They were lying on the ground, holding hands and waiting for the police to take them away. Sorry. You can see from the start of protests during the 2008 protest, students usually applied this kind of non-violent approach and lying on the floor and holding, sorry, hooding, looping their arms together. Ok. But at that time, the students at the scene they, although some of them might want to experience this kind of non-violent, violent, and want to experience this kind of emotions, but when they really put their bodies there and were directly controlled by the police, I think they would still have this kind of emotional excitement. Sorry. It is very common among the young students to have this kind of desire or passion to experience a certain kind of physical, no, experience this kind of protest and being somewhere and fighting for your own causes. However, when you really encounter this kind of physical arrest and also this kind of control, sorry, forcefully controlled by the police, suddenly this kind of emotional reaction was very strong, which was not foreseen beforehand. Ok. So, you might have noticed that in the five years from now, the court or the police were actually quite polite at that time. The students here were actually hoping not to have any kind of protest. So, at that time, I remember that some of the students even climbed on the grass, but they were immediately saying their own words. In comparison to the sunflower movement, the conflicts between the students and the police, you can see the very different way of approach. During this particular protest and movement, actually students, they were very conscious not to accelerate the tension and they tried to reduce the level of anxiety and the conflicts. So, for example, there was a student climbing up the so-called strawberry tower. You saw this kind of bamboo made, may shift tower and trying to resist arrest. But, I don't know, he or she, I suppose, he was actually persuaded to calm down to not cause trouble by their fellow students. Sorry. Now I'm going to show the first clip of the mob. It was not the sunflower movement. It was a kind of precursor of that later on, the much bigger movement. It was one year before sunflower movement took place. It was called Farmer's Alliance. Let me put it this way. I think it's called the Taiwan Rural Front. Okay. Taiwan Rural Front, it is. Sorry. And that particular action was the action was called August 18's Dismantled Government by Ba Chae Jung-Fu. And it was almost like like, what do you call, Tu Di? Ambush. Ambushing. Okay, let's say ambush. Ambush, the Alliance members actually ambushed the Ministry of the Interior. And that was the clip of this particular event. So they had, they had an event before. Right, right, right. So they were actually gathering in front of the President's Office. There was a big chance. Okay. People gathered together in front of the Presidential Office as a gathering. They didn't know what would happen next. But they felt, we won't just give up this opportunity, just get together and then go back home. We might do something and it's almost like improvisation. Sort of, after that, they do something. Right. Why would I want to put this clip? Because I think the action and some extent has a representative role. That is to say, the way that Tu Di is countered is to turn it over to the wall and then everyone is sitting in a building outside of a administrative institution. This thing actually, I think, is also an impact on the three-way distribution. Okay. Why I want to show you this particular clip is because it's quite a significant movement before the sunflower movement took place. It was kind of, the format is quite similar. They actually climb over the wall of some sort of national institution and get into the ground sitting outside of the official buildings. In some way, it indirectly and indirectly influenced how the sunflower movement was, you know, approached this particular kind of protest. Okay. Let's move on to the next clip. This evening, we have a movement that is as you can see, the action that night the format of it was everyone's chanting certain kind of slogan and also sitting down. There's no such intent to get into the building or take control or occupy. At that time, police also blocked the door as well. Yes. However, for some people, they are very disappointed. They just sit there, sit down, and then chat and sing and then come and go. Then, after the chat, the organization told everyone that we are leaving. That's the end of the story. Who is the organization? It should be the main department of the rural front. Okay. For part, not all, some of the protesters, this particular action was quite disappointing because of the outcome. Because during the night, they sat down, they had a chat, they sang songs until the daybreak. But the thing is, after that, the organization, rural front, sorry, the rural front, the rural front asked everyone to leave, saying that's it. Because these people were saying, you know, we don't know, we don't understand what's the point of this particular action. What's the point of sitting there and singing and chatting away without really making any impact on the government or obstruct the governmental business because the slogan was dismantle the government, which means they didn't really achieve their goals. So what, you know, they said, at best, maybe it's an evening night out or a kind of a theme park. It's not really anything meaningful. So he felt that's probably quite a crucial element, factor to, in the future, in the, at the beginning of the sunflower movement, actually the leader is felt if we want to make a decision, we need to make a decision to make a decision to make a decision to make a decision to make a decision to make a decision to make a decision to make a decision if we want to make an impact we should really make video impact and obstruct the government business. OK. The next video is three will be on that video will be on the date like this should say is the year Yes, it will be made in the year of 56. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, the next clips are going he's going to show you is the three to four figures key figures who took part in the while strawberry movement and later on what they did during that entering times and that's why he want to draw your attention when they were interviewed there are some dates on the screen so you can also see how they their their progression in in this event Yes, that's almost every character at the beginning all happened in the free square, that is when the strawberry movement and usually it starts with the 2008 and 2009 while strawberries movement when the each figure will be starting from there then the progression and end in the sunflower movement so they all take part in both movements Okay, then the next clip is called Christmas Christmas Yes, Christmas And then he will be the protagonist of the next film That character, his personality is not so strong He is often at the side of those exercise領袖 He is often at the side of those exercise領袖 He is often at the side of those exercise領袖 He is often at the side of those exercise領袖 He is not the kind of person who can answer the microphone Is he a real person? Yes Okay, Sheng Han will be the main character to stream along all these major student leaders and although he is not a strong and charismatic student leader but he is definitely some sort of activist who is always around the leader so it is quite good to use him as some sort of introduction to follow him around to see different characters in the movement Yes, after he finished the exercise領袖 he felt very satisfied He thought that his exercise was a failure He was always thinking about this You might have seen a clip of them going to a small town in southern Taiwan He was only looking for friends He wanted to learn about the fields They were doing research Sheng Han is the key figure in this particular clip He felt quite... He started immediately after the wild strawberry movement He felt very frustrated and constantly considering and contemplating the reason why he failed the movement In this particular clip he is going to the south, to the rural countryside to look for his friends and do some fieldwork Okay, from my point of view I think this is quite special The participants of these exercises jump to the so-called rural community in short, the community movement What kind of community movement? The community movement I think this clip may have a part of it He felt this is quite a special approach for him because usually when we are discussing social movement or similar sort of film it's more focusing on the urban social movement So this approach going to the countryside is a kind of... He tried to step away from this kind of urban focused social movement logic and actually there are quite a lot of things ongoing in the countryside Okay, but in fact I found that it was quite interesting that his friends arrived at that place and left the field of exercise they were familiar with so I don't know what to do It seemed a bit helpless Okay, I hope I... He found that it's quite interesting to also observe that Sheng Han and his friends certainly became quite helpless when they were being placed in a countryside setting rather than the setting that they were familiar with the urban city settings Okay, then after that he returned to Taipei and continued to organize He felt that his only advantage was that he had a lot of friends He was in Taipei If he were to do sports he should be doing this thing to organize people And finally this thing reflected in the so-called social movement Eventually he went back to Taipei He felt that his strength and the advantage was that he had a lot of friends and connections in Taipei and he can actually have a focus he can contribute to the social movement by organizing and personnel in this kind of area And this will reflect on the aspect in the social science institute So, you know, reflect in his connections within Taipei's social science institute That's why I'm going to talk a little bit more about what you want to see because the next video doesn't have any English subtitles Okay The reason why I gave you more detail explanation was because as you can see this is a new film There's no English subtitles So now you sort of can guess Okay The last thing you saw there in like a hall that's actually in Taida's social science institute And part of the at that time part of the participants have left and so they were sent out to so-called maintain certain kind of orders outside of the legislative But you can see the leaders inside of legislative unions and outside although they were so-called comrades in battles in many years in social movements However, because the separation of spaces actually they gradually went down different routes and have different way of thinking how to proceed the movement and also because the lack of proper communications Okay The next character is very charismatic and he's the only student leaders among all who really notice the camera Whenever he sees the camera he will walk towards you and perform for you Yes His character is like this But in my opinion this is a very difficult to record opponent My final decision is that I use more of his character a kind of exaggeration and then I hope the audience can see the character of this person Okay Of course that's his character Okay The thing is for me as a for him as a filmmaker a documentary recorder it's very difficult to record him because he's just exaggerated too much However, my approach sorry, a downward pass approach was to use make use of his character actually to try to reveal the internal him so to see what sort of person he is and reflect the movement Okay I also want to emphasize that I don't think I'm actually a director of a documentary film What I'm really interested in is that these young people at this stage experience these things what changes and what kind of person they are Okay I don't think I see myself as a dedicated filmmaker only focusing on the social movement on the contrary I think my interest really focus on the people and for me I would really I'm interested in young people's experience and their changes along the way and also how they adapt and change through this experience Okay In a moment Zhihao in the video he will also mention that he is in this phase of life facing difficulties and actually with most 20-30 years old Taiwanese young people similar to they want to start looking for a job and then there is a very high society environment waiting for them Okay Now the next clip you will see Zhihao as the main character He was talking about the dilemma and the difficulties he is facing at the moment It's actually very typical young people's problem nowadays in Taiwan young people's experience of they are thinking about looking for jobs and also lamenting the difficult situation they are facing once they are graduated Okay Okay Let's watch this Okay What you see at the end is also at the Taishan Academy at that time it was the 4th the 4th day at that time actually at the Taishan Academy there are a lot of people constantly going there but one day they think there seems to be some action today and then there is no and then leave and then go and then leave and then the atmosphere is actually very high is everyone in the Ministry of Justice of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of those actions actually has been a very and if you go to the scene you will know that there are a lot of people you when you get there you will not be your own investigation team is to arrange a route for you to go around please leave please leave What you saw the last bit of the the clip was was was filmed in in Taiga as well it's they all they stay in the hall and that was the fourth day of the occupation in the Legislative Yuan actually quite a lot of people students came in and expecting something drastic to happen didn't happen so they were disappointed they left so actually the atmosphere within that particular hall was very bad because it's kind of disappointing and frustrating and if they go if they go went to the Legislative Yuan and wanted to get in what happened was they would be guided by the student police student guides to be circle around Legislative Yuan for a while then ask you to leave so no one can really get in so this is a quite a lot of frustration among the students as well who couldn't get in so they would get worse and worse of course there were a part of students more wanted to take a more militant approach and they wanted to so-called totally occupy the Legislative Yuan because at that moment Legislative Yuan was only occupied within the hall and there was still a police outside either preventing people to get in or trying to control the student inside so quite a lot of people who gathered in that Taiwan University hall actually wanted or they proposed to take total control of the Legislative Yuan was not they did this particular proposal was not shared by people who were actually inside the Legislative Yuan so they were actually the feelings the mutual feeling was quite bad actually the last figure that he's going to show you next not the last the next figure in this clip is he's a little bit older than the usual student leaders he was he came to the wild strawberry movement in the later stage however he's very articulate and eventually very quickly to control the narrative in the movement a Sheng Niu was because he's a bit more experienced and much senior and most of the participants in the movement respect his views and his direction and in this wild strawberry movement his roles much more to do with integrating negotiating personalities and resources. So in moving on to the last year's Sunflower Movement, however, he started to play a very important role to negotiate and mediate between the inside and outside of the legislative year. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. So, I'm going to start with the first question. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. OK. After he graduated without a student status. Actually, he started to dedicate himself and in the improvement of environmental farming. And he had certain contact with Aboriginal people and also independent small farmers or family farmings and taught them how to produce organic or environmentally friendly produce. And not only taught them, but also he sort of created a certain kind of platform to help them to not only produce, but also sell directly to the consumers. So to create this kind of anti-capitalist approach and helping the little people to contribute to the environment and get the benefit of it. According to his own words in the video later, he also mentioned that he thinks this is also a very relevant thing to human rights. He said that as consumers, why don't you have the right to choose the food that they want to eat? As producers, they also hope to use what they want, for example, to reduce the use of pesticide in this way. Why can't these people make these choices? They don't have the right to make such a choice? In this sense of the word. OK. For him, he felt his work really closely connected to human rights as well. Because as a consumer or as a producer, why can't they have the right to consume the most healthy food or uncontaminated food? Or as a producer, why can't they not to use fertilizers and using the most natural way to produce and provide to the public? So for him, it's a kind of anti-capitalist approach. You can see during the discussion with the girl, there's a group discussion, and it's actually, he probably was sent by people inside of the Legislative Yuan to sort of hold them back, who those people outside of the Legislative Yuan would not to accelerate the tension. OK. But actually, he just mentioned his own interests. He's actually not against the continued rise of anti-capitalism. In fact, some people in the Legislative Yuan actually have this kind of idea. But at that time, it was very similar to Ye Chaomei. That is to say, everyone was still very concerned about the so-called social sense. This is actually very interesting. The whole society, when it comes to students, is able to accept the so-called Legislative Yuan. But in the future, they might want to continue to do this, this kind of thing, suddenly seems to be on the scene. Because of the media, or the so-called anti-capitalist atmosphere, it will make these people feel like they are being punished for not being able to do the so-called anti-capitalism. OK. For himself, he didn't feel that he's against the acceleration of any tension. However, it is quite unique in this... Well, not unique. It is actually quite interesting to see. But in both movements, they care about the public opinions. How the public view them in many ways, they feel they can't risk getting the views against students' protests. So they want to keep it as acceptable as it is. OK. OK. Next, I will play this character, Chen Weiting. She is... It can be said that when she was exercising in the sun, she was officially created by the media as a celebrity. I don't know if you all know, but the state of the media in Taiwan, they can... Their way of doing it is to constantly put things in a very complicated way, to the point where they might be a bird or a bear, or something like that. The next clip is Chen Weiting. Chen Weiting is the superstar in this particular movement. And it is because of the sensationalization of the media in Taiwan. And actually, being a student leader, he was portrayed so flat as a simple flight, as a kind of model idol. So his leadership was simplified as a fancy or a green jacket or as his label. OK. Chen Weiting, he is actually... He is a person who is in the struggle of this kind of operation, of the way of doing it. He is actually a person who is always more focused. But when he was in the arena, for me, he is actually a field that is being tied up there. He told me many times that he also wanted to do it, but the whole atmosphere of the movement, for them, they can only keep the silence. OK. For Chen Weiting, his style of protest is actually quite radical. Unfortunately for him, when he was inside of the legislative event, he sort of... As if he was kidnapped in a way that he can't do whatever he wanted to do, or he sort of become a face of that movement. OK. OK. OK. What you saw the last bit was inside the legislative event, for the self-law movement. OK. We are going to watch the last part of this video. We just mentioned the night that the public went to the administrative event. In fact, before that day, outside of the legislative event, or I should say inside the event, these main movement organizations or NGOs were discussing whether or not they were going to fully represent the legislative event. But I don't know why, the last day of the event, the movement turned into saying that they were going to represent the administrative event. Right. In my comment, really, I'm sorry, what did you say at the first part, the public went to the administrative event? I didn't understand. You didn't understand? What you said at the beginning? No, what I meant was the night before that day. The night before the administrative event, the last few days, were discussing whether or not they were going to fully represent the legislative event. OK, sorry. There was an occasion that the public actually took over the legislative, sorry, the executive event. The thing is, before that night, actually inside of the legislative event's occupation, all the protesters and quite a lot of NGO representatives, they were in an intense discussion about whether they should occupy the whole of the legislative event or not. However, at the last bit of the discussion, actually the discussion changed dramatically from whether they should overtake the legislative event or not, to actually why don't we take over the executive event. OK, so the previous discussion, that is to say that the whole of the legislative event, in fact, including the members of the community, they were also in this discussion. OK, this discussion about totally taking over the legislative event was not only carried out by the people within the legislative event, but also people outside in Tainan, as well. OK, so the thing that happened that night, actually until now, I should say now, a lot of the participants were still very intense and excited about that day. In fact, I think it was a very bad memory in life, it was also a trauma. Because of what happened that night. For many participants in the action to take over executive event, for many of them, actually it was a traumatic experience and it's very raw and they feel quite emotional when they talk about this. Because most of the participants in the past were actually people who didn't have anything to do with the protest. In their growth experience, it may not have been seen that there was such a high level of police for the people. Because those people who got into the executive event were students who didn't really have much social movement experience. And then to get in there, in a very highly charged atmosphere, facing face to face with this kind of eviction and quite forceful eviction from the police was very traumatic. OK, for those experienced athletes, for them it was very chaotic, because they had never faced so many people who didn't have much social movement experience to do this kind of eviction. At the beginning of the event, they thought it was a hundreds of people who wanted to take over the executive event. For those who seasoned protesters, this particular action was also very traumatic. It was because it's so chaotic that they realized that they underestimate the participation of other people, which means there were so many inexperienced protest students there which actually made things even worse. And they thought it was just a few hundred, but far more than that. During the night, when the police arrived at night, and the police started beating people with sticks and sticks, for most of the people, it was something they didn't expect at all, something they couldn't imagine at all. Including later on, the water cars. During the midnight, as the police started to evict them and also beat the students with batons, it was really unexpected. No one really imagined this would happen. And also after that, the water cannons add up on that. Okay. I was there the whole day, the whole night and I saw the police cars and also the eviction of the whole experience. The students I know, or some of the participants, they probably didn't think that there would be a serious conflict between the police and there would be even physical abuse. But my own idea is that I never thought there would be such a possibility that I would never leave this matter. For many participants that night, they never thought that such serious conflicts would be possible. But for me personally, for him personally, he never felt that he excluded his possibilities. I observe that when I was there, actually, there were some people who had been in the building for a long time. I observe that when I was there, actually there were some people who had been in the building for a long time. For example, when I was there, actually there were some people who were ready for some actions. For example, I saw people carrying some sort of strange equipment or stuff with them, for example some sort of firecrackers and also some people actually wrapped up quite nicely with some sort of helmet on. And then... I suddenly forgot what I was talking about. Okay, so when they started to break the glass and enter the building, I probably knew that this night wouldn't be so quiet, it would be like a construction. Okay. So when I saw some of the broken glasses and forced their way in, I knew there won't be a peaceful night and mine, and in tears, and blood as well. Going through this night, actually, I can observe all these figures that I introduced you in this film. They felt greater guilt towards the students they led because for them, they felt they didn't control the people effectively and efficiently, and they felt they let them down and let them get hurt, not only physically, but also mentally. Okay. So for me, I think there's a very special point. After the night scene ended, they thought they were hurt by some sort of exercise. I mean, these participants. At that time, they thought they couldn't finish a good exercise. They kept on discussing this matter. But when the sun was setting, I couldn't imagine that they were going to face a bigger, second-rate injury. Well, for these people, when the wild strawberry movement ended, they were quite upset and they constantly asked themselves to re-examine what could they do to make things better and not only end the movement well, but also maybe make impact. Coming into the sunflower movement, they didn't think that this would end badly. And for them, it's not only the first round of injury or certain kind of guilt and trauma they went through. Actually, this sunflower movement let them go through the second round of greater injury. Okay. So I think that this new film, which is a廣場 drama, I think that the theme of this film might focus on the process of slowly experiencing the second-rate injury. Okay. So this new film, The Mob, is the sequel of my previous film, The Rising. And the theme is not really about the movement alone, but more, I will focus on observing the experience of the second movement harm they went through in the last year. Yes. And then I think this film should be the middle part. That is to say, there will be a sequel to the third movement. Okay. So this will be just the second one, but he can foresee that there's another sequel, the third one, follow up these people. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Any questions? I know it's Ed. Would you like to ask questions? Yeah. Or Adrian? Oh. Davies is very keen to ask questions. Yes. I think it was really interesting the way you link the two movements. And we fill in the gaps in between. One thing I was curious about is what do these students do after they graduate? In other words, what kind of careers do they go into? Do they also talk about going into politics? Because of course, with the Dunsihal case, we know that he takes part in elections last year. And in many fields, that was a suitable route. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. You put these two students together and filled up our gaps. But he wanted to know what did they do during this period? And what do they do after they graduate? Were they in politics? Okay. Most of these students have not graduated yet. So they are still students from these six years. They are researchers or doctors. Some people have left the school for example, Xie Shenyou or Zhang Zhitao, and he stopped his studies as a doctor. Zhang Zhitao took part in the local elections. He took part in a general election. Did he take part in the election? No, he didn't take part in the election. I don't think it's suitable for me to be here. He told me that he thought he had to choose the leader because he thought he had to do such a big exercise and continue to face political reality in this exercise. He had to continue the power of this exercise and change the reality as soon as possible. His approach is to enter the party or participate in the election. Yeah. Most of them are still students, of course, and for example, quite a lot of PhD students and MA students there. Shenyou, that was the one who dedicated to the organic farming. He graduated, of course. And Zhihao is the one who really no camera. He entered into a certain kind of local election, although he was not elected as the local warden. However, his idea was that going through this kind of social movement, they should dedicate it to extending the energy and their agenda and trying to change the political reality. If they come and achieve their goals, at least go into political parties and take part in election and do some business, that's another way of extending their energy. Okay. They are facing the problem of the military. For example, at the beginning of the campaign, they should be the soldiers and the substitute. And Lin Fei Fan, he is now in the service of the substitute. And other than Zhihao, they are planning to choose Li Wei. Quite a lot of the boys you can see there to face immediately, they need to serve national services, although it's not very strenuous as before, but they need to face that. For example, the first one, Sheng Han, he's going into a national service and Lin Fei Fan is one of two superstars you didn't see here, but he's already serving in the army at the moment. Okay. Other people also wanted to go into politics. Yes. As you can see, Sheng You is in the community with the girls around him. He later went to the Democratic Party to work. The girl you saw was debating with Sheng You about what's the point of taking control, blah, blah, blah. And what's the point of civil debate, blah, blah, blah? She now is in DPP, the opposition party. So, the question, will be the main focus of the third film. He will follow the career path. Yes, please. Lucy. Are there students who are reluctant to get involved in protesting at all because they think it will have an impact on maybe the university will kick them out or they'll be difficult to get a job? The students don't dare to participate and are afraid they will be unhappy when they are in school. They will be unhappy when they are in school or they will be in trouble when they are looking for a job. In fact, this movement is currently very positive to the public in Taiwan. In fact, this movement is still very positive. So, in Taiwan, there are still companies who are reluctant to get a job when they are in school or they even have a requirement to participate in this movement. This is quite interesting in Taiwan. The cases, because the movement, especially some flower movement, is very positively received by the society. So, actually, some enterprises were saying, welcome those to part in the social movement. So, he didn't feel that affecting theirs. I can remember at the time this was discussed. I think one of the big Taiwanese entrepreneurs said, anyone that was involved in social movement in Taiwan would never get a job. Who was that? It was Guo Taiming. Then, following that, other enterprises said the opposite. Yes. So, you know, I suppose you can always find somewhere that they welcome. Actually, in terms of personal life, I think there's more, you can see more scenario of this kind of conflict between parents and children, because there's quite a lot of argument between the two generations. The reason, mainly because parents don't want their children to be hurt rather than, you know, political reasons. Okay. So, there's some weird some weird scenes, that is, the so-called official claims that students don't want to go to the scene, like, don't go to class, they might say don't go to class, but they might say, don't go to class to go to the scene. So, you can go to class, but don't go to the scene. Yes, that's the kind of lovey-dovey. At the beginning of the movement, there were, he overheard some sort of restrictions from individual departments, not universities, saying, you know, we would rather you don't go there and drop, you know, you miss classes, it's not advisable. However, what about the curiosity? Actually, in school, I didn't have a lot of observation, but I just heard it. Okay. For him, he felt it's only very, at the beginning, and also in individual cases, not on the level of universities never officially saying anything. Actually, I think Daichun wanted to say something. I'm from Kedah. Actually, it's got a official letter from the school executive, saying that please, like, refrain your students. Do the registration properly. Do the registration completely. But actually, the professors, I think it's based on professors, because the professors can do the registration or not, it's up to the professors, actually. And actually, some professors are really supportive, like they would tell the students that it won't impact your score if you go to a legislative room. I will provide other opportunities for you to catch up with the lesson. Thank you. Okay. I think it is quite a long morning, and thank you so much. Thank you. It's fantastic.