 There are any questions in the room? I think we have 20 minutes. Yeah, there are a couple. So if you can bring a mic somebody, please So I see too. There's one gentleman in the Monsieur Foucher and another gentleman in the in the back Yeah, if you can raise your hand. Oh, it's oh, can you give it to Monsieur Foucher, please? No Sorry, next time Former ambassador and a geographical The short question to Jean-Claude. Do you see an alternative candidate on the side of the Democratic Party? Who would be the? Equivalent of Nikki alle for the Republican Party. Thank you short answer to your question Governor of California or governor of Michigan So the Gavin Newsom The governor of California. Yeah Yeah, so there's a question over there the lady with the mic and I think the young man want you had a question too, right? Okay. Thank you. I'm Daniel Landler from Paris, Sorbonne I'm dumbfounded that none of you ever mentioned the role of social media and the role of artificial intelligence in the amplification of well-known Propaganda tricks, I mean The the the journalists from Japan said people are immune to rational arguments Not so much. I'm not so convinced. They're not immune to propaganda when it's done in a certain industrial way Anyway, whatever your opinion are is on this important and well-known topic What do you think about that and what do you think the what what is going to be the role of these AI powered Propaganda systems for the coming elections Well, this is a perfect timing for a question because it was actually one of my questions But I'm very glad you brought the topic. So what the power of generated generative AI Do you think like for instance politician should have some kind of? Transparency during the elections saying now this is a roadmap. We're not going to use AI or if we use AI That's how we're going to do it. Is this something that should come up now in the political discourse in campaigning? So maybe mr. Akita Yes, I think that the It is very very serious problem, and I think there should be some restriction Because the situation means that Political landscape is polarized, but also especially in the u.s I can feel that there is a huge polarization of media itself So when I turn on the CNN, I listen, you know, I watch some news program But when then I turn to a Fox News It's totally parallel world and then I switch to another one So I think that the even objective broad TV program Provide different angle. So without any restriction on the free flow of information in unrestricted cyberspace it is very it will create amplify very chaotic Situation and it can be easily disrupted or manipulated by some actor Igor I'd like to have your take on this because you know There's a lot of accusations against Russian trolls during the elections, especially in 2016 than the states What do you answer to this question because it's a real fear? yeah, since The official election is overly organized and fully controlled then in the mass social media you have a lot of different Opinions some of them very exotic some of them goes a little bit You know Beyond reasonable etc. etc The only effort which I know of during the last election when opposition called for voting on anybody be it communist socialist or extreme Rightist but who are against the ruling party? United Russia, okay, so this experiment ended up in 1% 1.5% of The result you see so from this point of view when the country is organized like we are organized And when the election is controlled the way we are controlled then this effort of social media a lot of noise No, no Efficient electoral result. That's number one Number two number two number two a lot of people left Country after especially young productive creative left after the beginning of the conflict with Ukraine They are split all together. We were discussing with some of them today They are split and they don't have unity at all. They keep accusing each other in all kind of mistakes rather than Mobilizing for one candidate who would represent real Opposition maybe Isabelle you could address this as a journalist when you cover foreign elections The fact that now we have to be eager of so many fake news going around that the elections and the Freedom of speech is really manipulated. It's making it very complicated for journalists to work What do you think of it? Well, it's one more you want to go on the ground and not to cover elections through Social a result, but I mean, I think it's one of the weaknesses of democracy countries like Russia and China have been investing for years in warfare and cyber initiatives The elections in in Europe and in the states have been act for for years and you have this I mean Europe is just a Realizing it, you know for now or two or three years, but the I mean the changes come very slow for years We have considered that in the cyber area, for example, the our purpose other Democratic countries was not To have an attack department in the cyber area, but only a defense department So I think we have ten or and I mean if it's it's also We have not in invested in this area for Also for for moral reasons, you know So it's very difficult today to be I mean to to to be Protected with efficiency. I just come back from time one and this is very interesting because Taiwan is subjected each during each elections by cyber attack from China Influences through the media's of the Kuomintang and you know Paid by China and this year they succeeded to to low down the level of fake news by I Forbidings, I mean, you know the system word that China was influencing Taiwanese people through By investing in the religious Institutions so Taiwan succeeded to to cut Transfer of money coming from China to Taiwan So this year you have a decrease of I think 40 or 50 percent of the Chinese influence Directly in the in the in the Taiwanese influence. So this is an example But we are far away. You know of what should be needed to do I know that in France I mean that we're just starting and you said we have a very defensive position right now Not offensive at all So I know there was another question. I don't know if you have a microphone. Oh And there's one just Okay, go ahead John Andrews here from the economist a question for Jean Claude Is it plausible that? Joe Biden can somehow persuade camera Harris with a good job offer not to be his running mate And if so, does he need to find a black woman as her replacement? And clearly Gavin Newsom would not be such a woman. And if you take the Republican side Do you do you think Nikki Haley is actually basically running to be Trump's running mate? Okay, I Think it's too late for Biden to replace camera Harris Is Made the announcement camera Harris will be running with by then if by then is the nominee I did likely to happen for the Democratic Party So if Biden wanted to replace camera Harris, it would have been done months ago Essentially when he announces candidacy, so she's the candidate for vice president and people and this is frankly speaking One of the arguments that the Republican will be and should be using When you look at by then the way behaves What he says the way express himself people have to think that? Camera Harris is likely to be the next president. I wish she well But camera Harris is likely to be the president that the Democratic Party will elect if they vote for by then That's number one now You asked the question I had the privilege of meeting twice Nikki Haley when she started a campaign during Fundraising events in New York and I had conversation one-to-one with her and she said it very very Publicly she said I'm running for president I'm not running to be the vice president and I truly believe her. I think let's Frank She's 53 54 if she doesn't make it this time She has a very good chance of being the nominee for the next election Four years from now. She will be 57 58. So I see she Trump is likely to be the nominee of the Republican Party Trump will obviously choose someone to be his vice president Good luck to the person that who's gonna be chosen by Trump because This is This election is a toss-up. I have absolutely if you look at the polls, you know forget about the primaries if you look at the polls is Really very very close and even so many things can happen between now and the election particularly for Trump also who facing so many issues and By then, you know inflation the southern border the problem with the family So the fact of the matter is that frankly speaking Trump who sings only about himself and he doesn't care He will have a vice president candidate. It's very unlikely to be Nikki Haley. Oh Run the Senate is for that matter. It will be somebody else. It could be a governor Of the state of I'm not sure if it's south I forgot her name. I mean the governor of North Dakota or South Dakota was a woman Not an African American It's a white woman, but she's a governor and she's very popular in some conservative woman I forgot her name Skipped my mind, but I'm sure you can find her. I think she's the governor of South Dakota So we have to look for Nico Halley, but four more years. I think there is another question That's what I think. Yeah. Yeah, that's what you said. Yeah, I saw somebody else. Yeah, some hands are raised in the back, please Somebody's gonna bring you a mic I said no, I'm Axel Gilden from the French magazine Express To follow up on this question. Is there is is there a scenario? where Joe Biden steps down before summer and The convention it happens the old way in the convention decides for a new candidate or Joe Biden has to he's impeach because he's he's sick or something what happens then Another scenario for Biden Impeachment I don't believe it. I mean Impeachment is not for sickness if if it impeachment it's the Democrat I able to link the fundraising of his family There's two check have been produced where we see 10% of amount of money Received by his brother and his son, but it was Mark loan repayment So I mean I don't by then is not gonna be impeached There's not gonna be enough evidence to and I'm not sure if he's really corrupted I mean the family has been trying to use his name for benefiting by getting money from Shady characters in foreign countries, whether it's Romania, Russia China and so on and so forth. They've been All people do that in the political scene in the United States They've done it to an extent that's unprecedented, but that's not gonna be enough No, the only thing that could prevent him from being the nominee would be his health If he had a major health issue, he may have to step down But that's the only reason why I would seem otherwise he's gonna, you know There's some I just learned yesterday for example, but you know, you have to register in every state for the primaries and so on It's not even registering for primary in New Hampshire. He's taking for granted that it will be the nominee of the party So only a significant health issue would prevent him from being the nominee But that that's what usually happens when you have an incumbent president. He you know, he doesn't go through the primary process You want to follow up and I think somebody else has a question behind you if you can pass the mic afterwards Just to clarify. I just meant impeached by his health. I didn't mean impeached for Judicial reason reasons. No, no, no, no. Okay. No, no, I take it. I take it and my answer to you is that That's the only reason why he wouldn't stand if if he had a major health issue And in the back, there's another question. Yes. Hello, Nicolas pure from tilt capital. Thank you very much very insightful Maybe a question drawing on miss Lecer's point on continuity Is it correct to read what is happening right now in 2024 being maybe a step in this direction that there is a I would say a continuity towards a Big move globally towards far-right extremism Which is in fact fueled by fake news and social media, etc How do we get out of that to be frank as a citizen European citizen? I'm extremely concerned by the fact that every time we move and we see a scandal in this in the sense of Manipulation it goes in the direction of far-right extremism. It's very hard to fight on a on a rational basis The arguments of this of this trend Well, the fact that there's more and more votes for populist Candidates and in general each time you have a new scandal it brings out more nationalism and populism But it's it's it's often true But it's not always the case like what we saw in Poland after some years of government The opposition was able to find another path So, I mean we have to be confident in people who are voting and you know who are able to To choose differently, but it's true. And if you look at Europe for instance I mean a lot of nationalistic countries have been building up and we have a lot of governments and Coalitions now with the far-right and that never happened before So is this something that you're concerned about this movement towards more nationalism that we see in elections? If I don't betray your thoughts no we at all well Musaq it and then is a belt so I Worry more about the fragmentation of the global world order rather than Rising in writing nationalism in each video in each individual states is very serious problem but I worry more about the you know the fragmentation of the international system and through the next year's series of election is more serious and Maybe people speak about a multi-polar Multi-polar, but the polar means you have a polar, right? US Europe and maybe China or hopefully Japan or India polar But the maybe world will be more like a multi-universe without without a strong polar, but the Universe universe coexist together without any order That that is more dangerous and that was a big concern of the two round tables We had this morning that are really interesting saying was it was time those elections are so time to pull together and find out What are common objectives and what is the world order you need to reveal on the economic side? But also on the political side is that then you know the question of Disinformation I do really agree with you. It's really frightening because What we see today is each time when you have two parts. It's just I mean the disinformation has Absolutely is overwhelming. I mean the facts today are less important other as a The the perception the emotion and the ideology I mean we just have the last example is is absolutely obvious between Israel and Hamas I mean depending the place where you are in the world. You just don't see the same images and So the It's very very hard to to counter disinformation, but also It's very very hard to I mean to to to to counter the The rapidity of the information the Emotion which is Driven by the in the social area and and on the internet It's not audible anymore And of course this leads to more extremely extremism in each part of the world and on every subject Well, thank you. We've touched a lot of ground a lot of different topics and it was very interesting Thank you very much all for being here this afternoon and thank you to our panelists