 Let's just go Oh god, hi everyone, how are you guys doing? Can you hear me? We're not in autotune. Are we I really hope we're not in autotune Voice mods broken. I have no idea what's happening. Welcome to the Nintendo pie podcast The autotune podcast. I hope I hope it's not a little dude. I'm watching the chat quick to make sure pretty sure it's not But if it is that sucks It'd be the autotune podcast. How you guys doing welcome back to the Nintendo podcast episode 13 as you can see to my left You're right. We got mr. Eric more our co-host who's really excited. He's got paper in front. You got notes Eric's gonna talk this stream. I don't even know what's happening And then right above us on a pseudo TV screen is mr. H. M. K. The hype man himself This is our first. Oh wait. Oh, that's not like oh, never mind. Sorry. No This is our first post E3 stream had to have the hype man on this is gonna be a shorter podcast guys 45 maybe an hour at max. We'll see what happens here when HMK's got a dip We're gonna wrap things up and and go from there and it's okay because Bucks, they're playing right now. I wouldn't mind watching the second half. So, right? So Let's get right into this quick And Eric you're actually gonna lead off with our first topic. So we got we're talking about Mario grab its Sparks of Hope awesome, and so we're gonna start off with a theory that I first originally read in chat during our E3 Stream but I've also heard it a couple of other places here now that and that is that cursa is actually a cursed Rosalina So if you pick up and put up the oh, yeah, the image please. Yeah, and I can oh, I got I got you No, I got you. You keep talking. Okay. I'm gone Yep, so I can uh if Nate brings up this picture here I can kind of see you know in a certain extent how we could get that You got the star of the chest cuz Rosalina's got the star kind of right here. Mm-hmm. Well, right here And you kind of look at the dress it kind of Slips up like hers does in the front there. I mean I could kind of see how you could you could pull it out I mean so, you know, it's it's gonna be an interesting. What do you guys think of that? I see it like that got that little Sure Sure, I see it. Yeah, I see it. I see it. I don't know. I could see how What do you guys I definitely see that it could definitely be Rosalina I like this theory a lot better than what I've seen what I've been seeing people say about, you know Curses while Ouija and I'm like man. I'm like, but I like this theory a lot better. Yeah Um The other thing is too is we see rabid Rosalina But we do not see Rosalina and we've had the matching partners of All the rabbits and their their counterparts. Oh boy. So we're getting wild up in there We're getting wild up in there. We're in theory in here Okay, uh, I like this theory a lot like Yeah, man, this is the first time we started off a podcast with a fan theory possible nice I like it Eric bringing the show to the next level man. I got to give you tasks more often Yeah, well, and it also helps they really am looking forward to this game. Well, I mean that that's that's that's that's reason number one So like Yeah, I look I think this theory is really really plausible There's gonna be a lot of theories around all these game breath of a lot of twos obviously got a billion theories right now Yeah, and we're getting that in a bit HMK is always salad. He's salivating over there for this. I Mean come on first of all to climb we will wait and so two years from the trailer In hopefully we're not waiting two years for the game to come up. We'll see what happens there. Oh, definitely not hopes on hope Oh, I hope not the only thing that I would say against it is Maybe they made it too obvious that you know, this could be you know leading towards you're you thinking it's Rosalina And then just making it make it left turn. So that'd be I mean be interesting to see what how that actually turns out Okay, I was yeah for us. Um, I actually found a Dev interview Dev slash like creative the creative team interview done run by Ubisoft North America in in that the The goop that we see taking over the tower. Yeah stuff that is known as the dark mess The dark mess, okay, so it's kind of a play on the cross between darkness and the mess that rabbits tend to leave behind them okay, and It's also kind of a homage to like what's going on in the world. It's kind of a dark mess right now Okay, so I found that kind of kind of interesting and also we found out what that kind of curse looking stuff is called sure I Know they're their own version of malice got it, right? Yeah, basically I mean, I don't know where they got that idea from I don't know right They also said that each there's so it sounds like there's gonna be multiple planets in each planet is gonna have its own Are you galaxy unique style and puzzles to it? Are we surprised by that? I mean no, I Would expect that it's kind of like going to different worlds. You would kind of expect Unique aspect. I mean in the original game, you know, we had unique areas and stuff So I would expect and it's kind of expected I suppose I mean to the point where I put obvious I mean in the way the back into that The one thing one other thing that I find interesting is that the creative director Said that they didn't see view this as a sequel but as an expansion to the tactical genre An expansion to the tactical genre. Yeah What does that even mean like they don't own the genre? Yeah, they don't own the genre. What is that? I don't know You know, I don't know I Okay, so it's not it's not a sequel. So basically it's not a sequel So the but it's a sequel. I don't I but I don't like I don't cuz like if you remember the beginning of the original game right it's about how like a A Failed thing happens in the real world that leads all this leads to the rabbits ended up down into the Into the mushroom kingdom and then all everything goes batch it crazy It's not a sequel. No, why the hell are no marion rabbits together. I don't know Like I can understand it from the end of the original game. I Don't know. I mean, it's a sequel obviously, but they didn't view it as one, which is I found weird Oh, yeah, that's weird. It's an expansion of the tactical genre. Yeah, I All right. Hey, maybe they want me maybe they have like the founder of tactical genre working on the team He's just shaking his head over there's like That sounds like It's very similar to how certain, you know, not not only video game developers, but like movie Directors, they try to like, you know, give that extra pizzazz to something that we know Obviously what is but they're like, it's not this but it's That's exactly the vibe Get it. You already sold us. You don't need to do this extra. Yeah, like no for sure I thought it was just making it make it a sound posh a little bit But you know, it was it's so It's all different All right, good to know might be a little full of them. Yeah, right So the same person Davide Solini the creative director Yep, also stated that the combat system has been totally redesigned with focus on the fluidity an Action offered by the possibility of moving the heroes in real time directly in set an area of movement Okay, that's different from the first game Yep, so it it's it looks like it's gone away from the grid based system to giving you an area of movement that you can freely move in and And just do whatever you need to do that that's way different in the first game Have you guys ever played quest 64? Yes seeing that gameplay remind me a lot about quest 64 I'm like wait a minute. This is like because the original marrabbitz was like basically X come, you know tactical turn Yeah, so I mean seeing these guys move and act as they keep moving I'm like I kind of get a little quest 64 Vibes from this a little maybe that's what they mean by it's not a direct sequel because it's kind of like a natural Expansion of what they were doing before into something new Right like it kind of like our project triangle strategy is not actually the next octopad traveler game But it is but it is but it's not like the combat systems entirely like altered from the original in a way So I feel like that's what it's kind of like here. It is a sequel, but it's also kind of like yeah But look we expanded the way combat works in a different we got away from the grid, right? We went as a quest 60 I don't know how many of our audience to play quest 64 But quest 64 had a very similar vibe to that when you were playing it. It's the best worst game I've ever played in my life Well, it's so it has so much promise and then it just never really gets there like it's so It has like He wants to be occupying those times so bad, but it doesn't get there Yeah, that was the early early 3d gaming days on console. Oh, man. Oh, hell early Yeah, there's there was many worse games than that. Oh my god So yeah, if you go back and watch the trailer there is kind of a white circle Yeah, yeah, I think shows you the area. Yeah, and obviously we don't know how many things you can do like if there's multiple enemies If you can attack all of them if there's 10 of them in that circle, that'd be sick If you can attack them at one, you know like chain attack chain attack it or what? But obviously it's it is totally different. Sure. They completely redesigned it. So It's too early for for this speculation But David did say in the interview that they are building things today for the future Do you think we will get a third one of this series? Yes. Oh easily easily I don't know if it's gonna be on switch. It might be on the next platform, but absolutely Yeah I mean the first one the first one sold like almost 10 million This one is probably gonna with a bigger install base is probably going to sell 10 million It wasn't the first game cut then the first game coming like two years ago. It came out in 2017. Believe it or not Yeah, like whoa Dang, okay. Yeah, and that's yeah, that's gonna be four years apart Yeah, I was gonna say like maybe if we win there two years after that like DLC for that one Yeah, okay. Yeah after saying that yeah, I don't think it's gonna be on the yeah, that's why I'm like I'm pretty sure I mean maybe launcher the next platform maybe but right we'll see and we got to see what DLC plans are for this too, so Well, we got I mean they're not gonna tell DLC yet. Yeah, well, it's Ubisoft We're gonna find out that you're gonna be able to buy the season pass before we even know what the game is I mean, but yeah um Let's go. Nah, I skipped the next two questions but uh How about rabbits for smash? I mean you get rabid Luigi rabid peach. I Want to know about those I would say like a composite rabid that you know It's funny. I love Ubisoft to a degree. I love Rayman I grew up a Rayman and I wanted Rayman for smash But I've just seen the popularity of rabbits I honestly think rabbits have way more of a chance to be in smash than Rayman and if rabbits were to get in the smash I feel like you'll be controlling three of them like like they they they will huddle and run around like as you move the character It'll be holding around as three and then they'll like toss each other just hit hit you guys with each other and stuff They'll be just a very chaotic character And I think that it would work and I think that you know if Ubisoft were to get a rep it would be rabbit It would be rabbits, and it would just be like rabbits and just three rabbits being psycho on the field Oh, yeah It got anything else for us with this game The other thing that I wanted to bring up is the the initiation of battles Looks like it's actually like overworld induced because in the in the trailer You would see a bomb on all of a sudden just start chasing after you as you're running through the overworld could be and Like they're not like separate areas per se Kind of it's kind of all seamless more seamless then because it was very obvious in the original game when you were entering a battle Right area and maybe it's not as obvious this time around or something. Maybe anywhere could become a battle. I have no idea Cool. So yeah, I mean I remember when they did the initial shot It kind of looked I don't want to say open world Yeah, because it really wasn't that but it felt like it was a lot more open in general than the set paths of The problem was basically you go this way and that's the way you're going every now and then you get to choose a different direction But it's you know, it's very set. It was like being in the Lost Woods Basically, you're always gonna go forward left right, you know, there was no Openness to it. This one feels a bit more open, but that could just be also the planet We were on yeah multiple planet. I obviously I think we can't go without mentioning that clearly Super Mario Galaxy Crossover whatever. Yeah, we have Rosalina rabid. Well, maybe Rosalina theory with the boss obviously planets space Absolutely, I mean it also makes me think that remember last time we got Donkey Kong DLC Metroid DLC for this one. Oh, that could be interesting. We're in space Star Fox DLC We're in space. There we go. There we go. We're in space and Nintendo franchise. I'm just Yeah, the most I had the most the original when it was with Donkey Kong and talking on this Morrow dog Mario came from Donkey Kong. I'm just like So you're in space a good excuse to bring the space IPs in for DLC. Oh for sure But I mean, I don't know. That's just something I wanted to toss out there Anything else we want to say about but one other thing It looks like Bowser could possibly be a playable character in this just based on some of the art that was out there Okay, yeah, he's on the key art. Oh, yeah, exactly So it looks like it could be interesting that he could possibly be either a playable character That would be interesting if he was like he wasn't working for the bad guys, but he's trying to help you stop him Yeah, that's that's his position man. Nobody could take it. Yeah bad guy You'll mess with me and one last question quick any thoughts on that new rabid presented that was what that had that sword I mean Loki Right they look then they knew Disney plus was about to drop their thing they had It's all part of the plan man. It's all part of the plan. Yeah, it's all part of the plan So we add in the rest of the Avengers and then Yeah, that's the crossover Can you imagine like I can see it have like a rabid Iron Man a rabid Captain America Rabbit Thor like I'm visualizing right now, but honestly that new character it seems pretty cool. It seems very original I'm always down for like, you know, original IPs doing these crossovers, but Introducing original characters through those crossovers So I like to see what the story about this new mysterious green rabid is for sure Oh, yeah, and actually, you know, maybe another theory could be that whoever this new rabid character is too Maybe that is the good version of cursa Pairs to I mean I'm starting that theory. Yeah Eric og right here Awesome, so what where's our hype level for this game? I know yours is like yours is day one. I already search Obviously, that's why I gave you this topic Right now my hype is pretty high I you know, I wouldn't say slept on the first one But the first one like you know, I'm not really like I play a technical term base and stuff I'm not too crazy about it like if there's another game on my radar I'll rather play that but I did play rap more and rabbits a little bit It would not but this one looks like a lot better than the first one like not only visually but like, you know scope Gameplay like everything seems to be it's kind of like the first one was an experiment. This one's like right. Yeah. Oh, yeah Yeah, and the first one I'm down for and Grant Kirk up. I mean come on. Yes, he is back pretty much anything He makes music for is usually a masterpiece. So oh, yeah, that's one of the questions that I skipped I'm like, he's back. Is that a good thing or bad? Excellent thing. Yeah, it's just you know, there's a whole group of composers in there that are just legends and he's one of them So, yeah, all right cool my hype level, I mean, I'm getting a day one I fully beat the original loved almost every moment. I've got a bit repetitive at times But it was always worth it for the final boss fight payoffs. Those final boss fights were just epic And the overall final fight and then I've seen to the DLC was pretty good as to I didn't like the Donkey Kong DLC as much as the base game So I don't think I actually beat the DK DLC. I thought it was a little bit easier than the actual game It kind of was well because it's it's hard getting through that final fight and then you get to the DLC You know, oh, that should be like a step up and challenge and it kind of yeah It feels like I'm back to the intro area again But you know, whatever it is what it is. It still looked cool. Yeah, it's not for sure. All right So that's uh, that's that's it for hey, we got we got sparks of hope talk finally We were waiting since Saturday to actually have a conversation about it. So yeah, cool So now let's get into what's probably gonna dominate the rest of the podcast. No, I mean, I mean, it's the game I'm the only thing I cared that they show. I'm excited for Metroid Dread I'm excited for all the other games that they revealed the new Mario Party game, which looks like top 100 But done, right? That's cool. I hope there's free DLC for some of that stuff Hope to like get more stages in of course We also hope for that in the last Mario Party game. It didn't happen. So who the hell knows Agent Climbing a DLC looks really really great Although my reaction to it at the time was a bit temperate held back because I'm like wait They're ending with this they can't just end with this. Oh, I don't understand. Oh, I don't know was up there Okay. Oh, no, he's talking breath of the wild to oh crap. They're they're not gonna show footage again He's gonna say oh we need a little bit longer. He that little bit word came out of his mouth and I'm like, no Not three times in a row But he met a little bit of footage to show No, I'm pretty sure he said we the last two times we we told you we needed a little bit more time I think is what I don't remember the exact phrasing. I don't care Yeah, it doesn't matter because we dropped it. Yes a minute 38 seconds of of Heaven holy literally might even be a heaven heaven. I have no idea So it's okay, so glad I'm so glad they showed gameplay during that I was actual gameplay. Yeah, not a cut scene Yeah, I was I was two-fold scared about was going down E3 one They weren't gonna show it in two if they were gonna show it was it gonna be like gameplay or anything? Yeah, I'd be one of the cut we saw gameplay and bro I feel so elated from seeing what we saw at E3 just like you know I guess the question that kept burning me and burning me ever since we got that first trailer of E3 2019 when it comes to Breath of the Wild 2 is that you know, we have all these other Video game companies trying to emulate and you know trying to write off the success of the open-air genre that breath of the Wild seem to you know innovate. I'm not talking about open world I'm not talking about sandbox. I'm talking about open-air that is something and that's an approach to the sandbox and open-world Genres that we haven't seen applied in a game like Breath of the Wild before Breath of the Wild and Some and then all these other companies want to get a piece of the pie You know we got Ubisoft with Immortals Phoenix Rising. We have Mihoyo with Genshin Impact and whatnot So with these other games that Seemed pretty well. What is Breath of the Wild 2 gonna do to set themselves apart from these other games and We got our answer at the show and I'm like boy Let's go like seeing that sky We went back and we went boy did we go back it just I'm excited to see all the new stuff that Breath of the Wild 2 is gonna have in tail But we're gonna be returned to the sky. We're gonna have new powers expanded powers You know Nintendo's all like stasis man. How about reverse full-time? How about that? How about swimming through land? I'm like, okay. We can't dive in the water. We can't dive under the water, but you know what we could do We can dive through land. How about that? And I'm like dude shield flame throwers all this new I'm just I'm floored. I'm floored and the one thing I was talking about on my earlier stream Is that I'm really glad for because I know we're gonna talk about the 2022 release date Is that I feel that this game is gonna come around a lot sooner than people are expected I hear whispers all the time about holiday 2022 But the thing is Nintendo and our numa has said that they're only gonna show something until they're Confident and comfortable showing stuff and when we saw that gameplay from Breath of the Wild 2 It did not look like it was struggling at the very least We saw that we saw it struggling in Legends Arceus for Pokemon and that's coming out in January So if the gameplay looks pretty solid at this point in time, I'm just saying I think I'm I'm I want to say I'm confident and I think Nintendo is confident of having this game come out spring March five years to the dot when it comes to Breath of the Wild's original release date. You know take that to the bank and check it I'm glad you said that cuz I'm on the total opposite side of it I'll give you two reasons why though one of the reasons obviously what agent Noah said we're aiming for it to be in 2022 We're targeting 2022, which makes it feel like they're not quite 100% positive It's going to be 2022 and it could just be a hedging bet thing because history tells you when they announced a year for a Zelda game There's it doesn't come out that year like every time 2015 Breath of the Wild 2 years That's what we hope that's what we hope but there also was a pandemic in between so who knows what happened with that Right and I just feel I if it wasn't for the pandemic I just really feel this game was supposed to come out this year Like my gut tells me it was meant for this year But you know it happened and also remember, you know with the Nintendo switch games coming out and be promoted Nintendo seems to be more confident and in line with Announcing these games with gameplay and what a year Unless they know they're gonna hit it within the year of showing off the gameplay They did it with Mario Odyssey. They did with Splatoon 2. They did with Smash So I feel like you know We're in this new era of them being a lit a little bit more cautious when showing off those numbers a little bit But you know like you said Zola's always had that plague that scourge in which oh we see a date Okay, then to the shirt, right, you know, yeah in addition to this Bill Trenin said something quite interesting in an interview with IGM where he said we're gonna see more information On this game in the coming months, which that's exciting. Yeah the coming months Exciting I mean like ask if we're gaming ward next direct That's kind of a okay coming months makes it feel like early 2022, but then he said coming months to the next year Which is like well the next year would be June next year if you're gonna keep releasing new info all the way till then holiday 2022 I don't think I think I think that term was more like January it was more meant to be like into the next year, you know It's like okay. We continue the string of information into the next year towards release, you know We like but that's not the exact word and this isn't a Japanese translation Right, you know native English They can they can miss me again and the bottom line is if we see this game again at the next direct It's got to be coming early 2022 things and that means they're pushing marketing for it. You'd figure Oh, yeah, I definitely think there's gonna be a direct right after the scourge sword release I feel the next direct we're gonna see is gonna be in August and we could see it there in August and then you know Maybe like they do that kind of trickling effective that they show more screenshots every other week on the social media and then like They're close to final if not final, you know real like hey, it's happening guys at the game words or maybe even jerry No, I don't know. That's what I'm thinking the road map could be like. Yeah. No, I definitely see that It's It's gonna be interesting obviously to see when this game comes out because right now there's four Massive games that we know for 2022. It's crazy. It's like they're repeating 2017 all over again, except we don't know if Mario Odyssey is gonna be there or something of that But I mean we got Pokemon legends Arceus just kick off the year with maybe the most ambitious Pokemon game ever made Whether or not I trust game freak to pull it off I don't know it did not look exactly like it was ready to go last time we saw it and that's Maybe I have no idea all I know is it looked rough And I don't know if how they didn't go from that the less than a year later the games out But I don't have to worry about it the game freak also doesn't necessarily have the same Quality standards I think in place with their game development because they're such they're on they're not willing to delay things like ever so They have a set way to do things It's all set up with the anime as well and all like so they're not willing to delay things So they're more rushed and that's what makes me worry about legends Arceus is obviously a look You know, yeah, they've spent more time on this than other Pokemon games But also they were probably given a hard date and this is it and what you have it comes out It is what it is Right, they don't have that Nintendo polish. Yeah, I mean I mean they don't come all like fundamentally broken Right, but they don't always come out running the best or there might be some bugs in it That like wouldn't be there in a normal Nintendo game And again, there's always glitches but glitches aren't everything so which isn't yeah necessarily bugs depends on the glitch Saving in the cannon room in Twilight Princess. I'm sorry That should have not made it in the final game that screwed so many save files back then But anyways, that's that's old-school. You'll always find some old-school glitches like that that or Bugs and stuff like that. I had a bug in the stone temple and the gold cartridge with George mass That's the lead in my save file if I used if I saved it a certain Owl statue every single time and then by the time I got back to it was so deep in the game I forget and I'd save out of the game because it's one of the ones you save at right before a boss and By all gone Anyways, those are old bugs. So yeah, I so so 2022. Okay, um, let's just whether it's early or whether it's late Do all three of us agree? It's actually gonna come out. That's like the big thing Will it actually release or do we think traditional Zelda delay is coming like I'm confident in 2022 I'm confident confident. Yeah, I think the the COVID delay is gonna be our Zelda delay Cuz judging by the theory of it supposed to come out this year Maybe maybe the theory that it was supposed to come out this year Then ending in an extending in an exterior. So my whole thing is obviously it's gonna depend on when we see the game again If we don't see the game the rest of this year, it's not coming out early next year In my opinion, but you might say the world if that's the case, then why do they show it now? Well, there's a certain game coming out in July That might have a direct relation Yeah, that if they show this sky footage from Breath of the Wild 2 is gonna push a certain game Skyward on the sales charts. So it literally could have just been a marketing ploy and it could be a holiday title next year But they wanted to show now so you and you which you probably are gonna buy it But it's all of you watching watch Skyward Sword and buy Skyward Sword HD Especially if you didn't play it the first time around so you can know what the hell is happened Because remember when they unveiled Skyward Sword HD, what was the thing they spent half of that unveiled doing? Comparing it to all of things in Breath of the Wilds originated in this game Oh look at how Breath of the Wild 2 literally has crap in the sky. Yeah, so go buy Skyward Sword. I put my pre-order in the day Yeah, but to be fair you haven't played yourself a lot of the olders of the game I'm not not like, you know some of our veterans in on the podcast here But that's okay like I'm gonna get it too because I don't own a Wii anymore or Wii U So I don't have a way to play the the OG Norse. I'll probably pick it up And there should be a Zelda I'm a sucker They could charge me a hundred bucks. I would probably find a way to justify it to myself because gotta have it. It's Zelda Yeah, it's unfortunate. We're part where we're cogs in the machine, but you know, I This is the one IP. They have me. They have me with this one. I got the amiibo. I got the Joy-Cons I I'm I Got it. Oh, I'm I got it all ready to roll ready to man. Yeah So what do you think they're doing a marketing push to push Skyward Sword at all here with breath of the wild? Is that what we saw? Well, not not just we saw the sky, you know, because you know It's it's one of those things Zelda is such a golden goose and such a precious baby with a Nintendo You know, I don't think it'll ever get, you know Regulate to the point where they would like force a zilla team in order to show something in order to push a game That's coming out Within a month because like like I said before the footage that we saw for breath of the wild to seem complete It didn't seem rough like legends Arceus, right? So it was it felt ready and You know that that's all the thing with Zelda Coming out now that they don't have two systems on the market Nintendo when it comes to the home console or The mobile console handheld console, whatever So, you know, they have to try and get these releases either back to back close Concise get that Zelda streams as a little hype ready one right after the other when it comes to these releases on one Console that you could take everywhere I mean we had Age of Calamity coming out in November of last year And then we have Skyward Sword coming out July of this year And then we got the DLC of Age of Calamity which is coming out this month and November and stuff So I mean like that constant scream that flow of Zelda money. I feel is you know, something they know they can Tackle with due process and being very particularly in confident in with and that's why I feel like you know the last thing of Zelda before Breath of the Wild 2 supposed to come out is Age of Calamity DLC in November, right? So I feel that you know, they're not gonna make us wait way too long for Breath of the Wild 2 and that What we saw is in super early in hopes of a 2022 holiday release because when thinking about like oh They're gonna show off us the 2022 year release date of the game that could possibly come out November December holiday season whatever I'm like dude Isn't Starfield which was a title that's exclusive exclusive to Xbox That's supposed to come out in November and they were like yeah November of next year brother and I'm like Zelda's like Nintendo's gonna try and do that That's not really Nintendo's back in order to release or show off a year that they know Internally they intend to have you know holiday season of that year So what the success of Breath of the Wild selling so many copies way more than Zelda has ever done Oh, yeah, we're uncharted territory Exactly, you know the highest all those ever sold was Twilight Princess eight million And then we have here comes breath of the wild in the 20 millions and I'm like So Nintendo knows the new You know ceiling the new, you know goal that Zelda can reach and Knowing that of course, they're gonna double down on the breath of the wild They're gonna double down on this other release. They're gonna double down on these particular, you know releases in order to make That money they did a fire emblem. They did it with Pokemon years back They're doing with Nintendo. Oh, no, they're doing with Mario and stuff and hopefully they'll do with Metroid when dread comes up Nintendo realizes these things when when their video games reach new heights. They Get right into it when awakening sold that much with fire emblem boy. We got awakening We got two fates games. What a DLC. We got our we got a remake of guidance We got three houses and we have DLC for three houses and Heroes on the phone Nintendo knows what to do when it comes to keep it in that money stream I don't think we'll ever see a Zelda mobile title And because of that Nintendo knows what's up when it comes to their strategy of releasing Nintendo Zelda games So that's why I'm like, I don't think they did that just to sell more Skyward Sword HD copies I think they're doing that in order to keep that string and to keep Zelda fresh in the minds of gamers Not only hardcore, but now casuals in order to put out for a closer release So I wasn't gonna bring this up, but you're talking about that steady stream is Zelda and they know how to take advantage So what about that Zelda 35th anniversary? Buy that game and watch man. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna buy the game and watch too But you know Twilight Princess HD or Wind Waker HD, which people were hoping we would get I'm like when it comes to HD we releases of Twilight Princess Wind Waker or Ocarina Tom-Ombrader, so I'm not too mad about that because I mean like we can still play them on the Wii U And I know that they're come they're gonna come sooner or later What I'm more mad about is like everything like outside the games in order to you know Celebrate the 30th anniversary shirts merch, you know It's us giving telling us that 35th anniversary is happening how they're gonna celebrate it and whatnot now Obviously we're on the tail end of COVID and whatnot and we can't I mean we can but should we have the concerts You know, I'm pretty sure there was a symphony plan, but like, you know, yeah COVID through a monkey wrench and the whole thing So I understand that aspect But I mean I feel like Nintendo could have been doing more to capitalize on that and then my gut tells me that In a similar vein of the 35th anniversary of Mario, I feel that we're gonna be celebrating the 35th anniversary of Zelda on its tail end if not off the mark a little bit and You know, obviously that strategy must have been shifted because of COVID So I'm not too mad about it. I just wish they would acknowledge it a little bit more I mean the Game and Watches need but No, give me a shirt like they came out and said no more switched games Flight out came out and said no more switch games planned. What what I well Like it's easy for like I'll say it's easy for HMK to be like, oh, I don't care about the toilet for the day She wouldn't make her she necessarily coming now because still play it on WiiU. Well only 13 million people can play it on WiiU That's like a hundred million So a lot of people are angry after journalists and other people say hey, we're getting this we're getting this now some are saying Oh, we'll get it in 2022 or it's a 2022 backup plan Yeah, well because they've ported like every single I mean we're getting fatal frame made into the black water They didn't even sell that well on WiiU and these two Zelda games actually sold pretty decent for WiiU games. Anyways What the hell did they're gonna do on this now to sell those more popular or never? They might clip one Wind Waker should definitely if they really sound its own should outsell the original Wind Waker sales because the original Wind Waker sales weren't Exactly blowing people's minds back then wasn't horrible But it was doing kind of low end of what you expect a 3d home console Zelda game to sell And then obviously Twilight Princess what was the previous best selling at eight but now with like all this popularity? I mean could that be a 10 15 million seller on its own? I have no idea I've no I and like that's why I think it's frustrating for a lot of switch owners because they're like, hey I don't own a WiiU. Most of us don't own a WiiU. We can't we have no access to these HD Zelda games that have existed for a while and this is why we were hoping to get it Individually or as a double pack and I can see why if they are planning to do a double pack They wouldn't do it this year that really makes Skyward Sword look like a horrible deal Exactly right, you know, they don't want the sales that would be something that would be something where if we're gonna make Skyward Sword Look like a horrible deal. It's gonna be when Skyward Sword's done selling and we're releasing this next summer or something like Okay, because then it's a bit. Oh, yeah, Skyward Sword is a horrible deal But we already got your money you're not gonna give it back here here Here's your double pack and that's obviously a big hope they even do a double pack The only hope for that is because of 3D all-stars, but they've done that before with Mario and They didn't really do that like the visual improvements. That's why I put this HD and my break HD despite being games already done Pretty way better than what they did with the 3D all-stars game. So yeah, even though it's double dipping It is what it is. Hey, so guys, I think we're gonna get these games just because Every Wii U game like I even think seem like Chronicles X might get like a really late switchport Someday down the line just to complete the Nintendo published library of games when Wii U coming over They didn't get like sequels per se that were like X doesn't have a sequel guys You know the Chronicles 2 not a sequel to X. It's a sequel to the originals You know by Chronicles, you know, yeah, you're not gonna get the Mario Party or not the Mario Party D Paper Mario off of off the Wii U because we got a new one So they're not gonna pour over the old one just like you're not gonna get the Yoshi game off Wii U because we got a new one but Yeah, everything else that doesn't really have a direct sequel Mario Kart, etc. You know got you know new you know port it over so I'm pretty sure that these games will get ported because they they can't have sequels They're old classic games that have been brought back. So bring them back again. I create a time HD Major's message you I don't even know if I've always been on the train Even though game over Jesse has spent two months convincing me the real I kept telling him kept telling everybody else There's no way in hell. This is happening. I want it to happen. I'm not saying Grezzo can't HD the 3ds ones They absolutely could I don't think they are pandemic happened right after links awakening. I'm sorry They might have had everything they had just to get me topia out the door So I'm not you know, I know they usually make multiple games at once but again COVID pandemic I'm telling you guys it really affected things and like as you said if breath of the wild Fully I fully believe that breath of the wild to the sequel whatever it's called, you know that spoiler title We can't know like I Agree it was probably meant to come out this year as a capper because if you look at their holiday season Metroid that Metro your parent Metroid in October with With with with a third party created Chibi style remake of Pokemon and November that and by the way, they're gonna sell out and things are gonna be fine But it's kind of like that doesn't quite seem like the banger combo you wanted for the holidays Kind of feels like no that combo would have been oh, yeah We got our Pokemon, but then we got breath of the wild to and that was gonna be the the one to Punch and then you have Metroid so you kind of have like a Metroid Zelda You know and ending with Pokemon combo, but again And COVID and everything and there's been rumors that breath of the wild to is the most impacted or all of it Which would make sense because they have the biggest team at Nintendo It's the largest development team they have the most amount of members from monolith soft That basically now just helps out exclusively at this point and so yeah It's it's a giant team and the bigger the team the harder It's going to be to just have everyone work from home and keep things going smoothly so So yeah, I do believe it was intended for this year which led to the credence of early 2022, but we'll see We'll see we don't know I'm hedging my bet by saying hey if I say holiday and it gets delayed out of 2022 Whatever, I thought I was coming holiday 20s. It's I'm hedging my bet hedging my bet here Had your my bet setting yourself up for not discipline. I mean we already have big games next year I don't even know if next year needs breath of the wild to right now No, don't say that Okay, Pokemon legends Arceus if they do it correctly that's gonna be massive If it's massive it'll be a 20 plus million seller. They have Splatoon 3 which I'm sorry. Have you seen the sales of Splatoon 2? Oh, yeah, and this game might top that this this could be the next 20 million seller from Nintendo Yeah, for sure, and that's that's insane for me to think a new IP started in the Wii U era It's not one of the biggest Nintendo franchises Like something good came out of Wii U era in terms of new IP All righty then I'll take that and then obviously we all know about sparks I hope and that that's probably gonna do pretty well too, and that's just what we know now this year What did they say at the end of that direct? We have more software titles than the works We're just not gonna show you right now what we'll show you in the future Well, no, don't you do but you're letting us know by the way, that's not our entire 2022 lineup I know that's that's 20-20 line of songs baller. We got more. Yeah, you know Is there an Odyssey 2 they're gonna sneak out there something like that Mario Kart 9 that has to exist at some point I'm gonna toss that out next year and imagine if there's a Zelda Mario Kart Pokemon Legends Arceus and sparks of hope all in the same. I mean it could it only gets better if somehow There's a new animal crossing because that will sell 30 million. So there's not going to be by the way That's a once a jet. That's a once a generation game But it's still it's kind of one of those like all the mega sellers like having them all come again Did we just launch a new system? Maybe Maybe Maybe they're repeating 2017 with all the big hits like they're like we're desperate We need the system to be successful on already is successful Now we're just gonna keep this thing going. Yeah, by the way switch pro existing or not existing They are just trying to keep the switch going for as long as it can and the number one thing that always kills Nintendo's Hyper successful platforms when they stop supporting it with big games Yeah, they threw skyward sword to die. They announced we you before skyward sword even came out They threw it to die. Yeah, nobody cared anymore. Oh, we're already looking for the next gen And boy do they probably agree. Yeah, yeah, and the reveal of it wasn't yeah That was not a very good public reveal of that which digital showcases really help with that now It's gonna be shortened in this best light, but that's always the risk of live wireless anything So what I mean, what I don't understand who is I know Factually in the early days of weed Nintendo had kiosks that had fully wired white motion controllers And why they weren't using that on stage with thousands of people in the arena. No for sure I I don't I don't get it It was obviously one of the probably the biggest regrets they have and they might have think that bombs cover sword Which maybe it did I also think the fact that you unveiled the Wii U before told everyone this is coming next year You're not wrong. I mean why why invest in the system now? And at the time there was also no big games coming all the big games that were coming were ones that operation rainfall was begging to come Over like Nintendo had the skyward store was it there was like nothing coming out in that two-year period But Skyward Sword that was new so it was just It was a bad time and Nintendo has done this every time. What happened to 3ds? Petered out. It just Petered out. They stopped making games big games for it Which makes sense because of the switch But at least that one made sense because you had a platform that arguably replaced 3ds because it's portable too, but that doesn't always happen gamecube Petered out Wii Petered out Look even at the nest towards the end of the nest era Petered out SNES era started petering out lean to the N64 Because Nintendo has never had one system for all their development resources are thrown at it because they've had Game Boy and And nests, you know, and then there's always had the two branches. So what my hope is You know Nintendo said they want eight maybe ten years out of the system If we're lucky or at the midway point right now, which should suggest at least four more at least four more solid years Well, the only way you're gonna get there is I'm hoping Nintendo's taking a page out of Sony's book And you just keep getting bangers all the way up to the next system Now, yeah, yeah, then you have to buy the re-release remastered versions the following year on the most recent releases to get the Whole Switch 2 version PS5 version. Okay, fine But hey, the system got baller support all the way up and keeps the fan base engaged Because the fan base tends to get unengaged from Nintendo and they stop releasing games And that happens quite frequently or or in the case of the Wii U when they just tell you at E3 when they're showing off The biggest Wii U game of all time. Oh, by the way, we're discontinuing this platform in October And it's coming out launching on NX and we're not gonna tell you what NX is yet But don't worry, you'll still be able to get it on Wii U and all our demos are on Wii U But we're not we're done with Wii U by the way So enjoy playing Wii U for your last time at E3 because we don't really care what we use Alright, so I hate the very bad news, but I actually do have to dip. Yep. That's alright. Thank you so much HMK for coming on you want to let people know where they can find you at? Oh Definitely if you'll you'll if you just go to Google and just put in the three layers HMK You're gonna find me go into YouTube put in the letters HMK You're gonna find me you're gonna find me everywhere at HMK or HM killer and I had a lot of fun on this stream I wish I could stay longer, but I got that next time We'll make it up next time next time on a little bit like a four-hour marathon Yeah, let me know when and the schedule this ahead of time. We got this All right, I hope you guys had a funny three I hope you guys are looking forward to Breath of the Wild 2 and more but yeah, I gotta be out here Thank you so much for having me man. Yeah, no problem Thanks for coming on and that's the end of episode What? Oh, yeah, 13 13 13. Yeah, I'm so 13 HMK 13 Yeah, he's like hold it up. Do I have this right? Did you put the wrong number in the stream? You're good episode 13. No, what's that question? I have one more question for you. What do you think that? 2022 is gonna be the biggest year in gaming. I mean, oh my god line up. Look at God of War 2 Yeah, and then PS5 as well. Yeah, PS5 supposedly what we're getting Probably we'll see it's gonna be the one makes me the poorest. All right later guys