 Thank you very much for giving it Y254, if you're just joining us this is why in the morning, my name is Ramagukonao. According to statistics between the year 2011 and the year 2019, there were 265 al-Shabaab-led attacks in the country. An estimated of 10% of the groups militants are thought to be Kenyan nationals. Largely reflected are those of men who are in defence in ideology grievances over socio-political and economic circumstances. Now, this morning, we shall talk about violent extremism. We shall also talk about radicalization of the youth. This topic on national security has been an important factor especially when it comes to ensuring that the country's security is ensured. Do you feel safe? What is it that we can do as a nation to protect ourselves? What can we do to improve the security of our country, of this nation? This morning, I'm joined by Kevin Jawor next to me. He is from the Protective Security and Defence Department at the National Counter Terrorism Centre. Karibusana Kevin. Thank you very much. And I'm also joined by Robert Ocholla, the countering violent extremism expert. Karibusana Robo. Safisana brother. Remember we are live on our website www.y254.co.ke. That is where you can find us if you want to watch us live at Y254 channel on Twitter. The hashtag is Y in the morning at Ramaguko. Make sure that you give us your thoughts about this. How can we counter violent extremism? That is the question. Now gentlemen Karibusana. Thank you very much. Before we begin Anisaana, let's talk about NCTC. What is NCTC all about? Good. NCTC is a multi-agency instrument that coordinates counterterrorism efforts in the Republic of Kenya. It is located at the executive force of the president. And of course it is staffed by various experienced members from the MDS, the ministries department and agencies. And any department, ministry department and agency that leads on fight on terrorism. And it focuses on aligning the operational needs with the Kenya national strategies and policies. And with time we are going to talk more about the strategies, the national counter violent extremism strategies in detail. Okay. So basically we have our mandates that is given by the security law amendment act of 2014. And it give NCTC a legal coordinating mandates for counterterrorism. We normally conduct public awareness on prevention of terrorism. And also we facilitate incapacity building in city and prevention. Also we develop strategies in counter radicalization that foster radicalization. That Robo will explain in detail basically that deals with the disengaging a person who has been radicalized. Rehabiliting that person and reintegrating him back to the society. And also we coordinate with other government agencies in providing security certification for aviation schools. Alright. Interesting. Interesting. So that is what NCTC is all about. That is a national. In the national. You have quite a mandate. Yes. Let me come to you Robo. Yes. We may be talking about very big things here. Radicalization extremism. Just in a national. Yes. What is it that you are talking about when we say radicalization of the youth. And when you are talking about violent extremism. Fopo asana Ram. And I think Kwanza Ram and Khakum congratulate Kwa issue. You do a very good job. Thank you. And also for this very, very important discussion this morning. Because indina determine village, country, etc. Not only our country but also the world. Okangalia of late. Out of that statistics umetu pa tia. Ono na mambo si poa asana. Fopo asana. Especially na vijana. Because at the end, vijana do not want to make up. So radicalization ni basically ni kutupishwa rada. Yondo definition ni hake pwasheng. Where? Kutupishwa rada. Because our to, ni kwingia kwa thoughts zamtu. Then we try kwa gewza thoughts zako. Is inge line flani. Ni o lines anasana waga ni negative. So lewa nakuja ono kwa ambi eto me kevonim tumbaya. Keshwa nakuja ono kwa ambi kevonim baya juwameva blazer. Keshwa kutuja kwa ambi kevonim. Ono na? Wako consistent na. Ono kuchochana na kituflani. Alafi kwa very deliberate. Kwa planned ni kwa sustained. Sike that after a while pya wewe, una kamsa zunanzakuongia, viluala lkwanongia. Autoki kwa iyo line. Atamutakama kukonviz. Ni hakevon ni jamam poa. Wei kwa kwa ni jamam baya asana. So radicalization kutupishwa rada. Naina chukua forming. Nani kituna stay. Nani kituna stay. So radicalization ni nuna sayama. Ni kwa utukuna shuletu? Exactly. Ono ambi kwa ni hivi na ni hivi, but they are consistent. Very, very consistent. It's like they are organizing. But the problem radicalization at the tail end, outcome ni negative. See positive. Iyo na blanda. Outcome, mwishu, tail end. Steppes. Iyo na wanaenza soft. Kwa hati mua fike, mwishu, akili ako liyea kuilisha babil kakabisada utajua tuki kumiteni atrocity. Yota konoko right. And I wonder you said that radicalization has different stages. We will touch into that. But now, kusia kuju ju Runko, this radicalization that you are talking about, what is it in your experience working at the gentleman in the NCTC In the Republic of Kenya, we have got so many just to mention a few causes of what people have radicalized. And especially among the youth, of course, tanskiwara na sema jutu me sota tuka ingia. A kuna do? A kuna do. Okay, atuna job. A kuna job? Ani employment. Inginia seme, and unemployment. Na skele qualification main konayo na fako na fana job plani mahali. Namuse ame na kaka chua pakapa na digeri? Ame job, a kuna digeri ya kia kuna masters, a kuna job. A patem se na mombi ani aje. Kujane on noli ji apo. Dapati a job. Unapata wa wengi wana futa. Interesting. Wengi, wengi ya mayutu wana ingia kosa wabi a chapa. Wana sema kuna chapa. Alafu, kuna zile channel sambazo wana tumia, size because of the obvious reasons ya covid wasi wengi wa komtani. Unapata wa twengi wa kojiwa masimu. Unapata za tru such things like the media wat vijana inga wana kwa radicalize. For simple reason wana dapata job. Now because u level in the extreme sako palia nangoja wa lot wamba wana job. Unapata wana promise na kumulu wa na opportunities na kumpati a job. Nakini shi dani wasa wana takadu? Wana takadu? Ni kuna wama? Ni kuna wama job. You've seen it as a factor. Wana jo kuna sukuri mobe special yukuwa sako misukuwa in jiyo. Likama kazi di ziga wana yama rambini. Baka zita push and pull factors. Wana so push ni... Izo ma... Itukama izo job. Na pos kumotu eni isdiki nirabidi. Nengi. Izo nitu. Atiyo sijutu wana wana. Wana. Exactly. Alafu sa kuna izo pull factors. Wana. Sijuma grievansi ziga. Wana. Wana structure holding justices. Lili bitu zina. Ato imu nyu kikam. Wawa elewi. Lakili juna tu pishwara. Nengizwa nae. Uki kikam, ukingia kumamta. Ata sunita peki. Ato kenda kampu. Vili tu brada mese maapa. Uko kampu. Una kumuko ni ni. Garisa University. Sili kwa ni boiwa kampu. Dali organize. Wenza kwa hende wa. Naka kwa henda kali. Suna ishinu jama. Buda kekwanza li kwa. Jamana wako poa. Faminiko poa. Naidu poa. So employment is the reason of all the time. Is the reason of all the time. So yei ili bitu guna kiswe ingine. Mebe lemboa wei, unapigai joba, unangana najuo. Nukitoko opportunity standa kwa tu ingine siwewe. Unona. Mebe kampu unona. Kitu budako anafanya gava. Mebe omifanya wa tu flani. Si poa unona. So wei unafu fight against iu. Then kuna kuna zile tu vidyanawana fom tani. Vidyanana ishuli akufanya. Uku wa tu. Unona. So kumahuku wa una ishuli akiliwa kuna joapu ikuholo. Unona. So apundona kama na feeding. Sisa maskuli. Because of opportunity. Kuna gapen yume pata. So they want to maximize then you gapen yume pata. Actually we can consider that gap as your witness. Yeah. Yeah. Because ilia challenge kali sana niya kwa mba youths hawa lewi terrorism ni nini. That is why the push and pull factors kiku pata una kua luwa du ingine into something mba hawa lewi because of the promises that umapatiwa. Now. That is why we come in as the NCTC and bought unafanya mo of capacity building not only youth but all persons within the public of Kenya. Terrorism is real. It is there. It is among us that radicalization happen among us our youth. Nani kwa sababu hawa lewi unini ni. The push and pull factors kiku pata una mindia ke haina hana focus una kua reisik kwa ingine into your terrorism. So that is why now the center kwa pali strategically. Kuweza kwa empawa wa tu. Kuweza kwa fanya capacity building. Kuweza kwa public awareness ya kwa mba terrorism is there. Na we ought to have that spirit for being a Kenyan. And I like what you said. You ought to have the spirit of being a Kenyan. Partiotism. Partiotism. Nani kwa umesama wa tu ingi hawa lewi terrorism ni nini. We watch movies, a lot of movies. And sometimes you get ideas, crazy ideas from the Buster movies that we get. You mentioned something about violent extremism. Sidio. You only need me specifically. Violent extremism niku haba feelings, attitude na unatkaputek action against something. You say niku go to koneji extremism, normally sansa not waga janakul kuna gemia Liverpool na Chelsea. Sidio. Sidio. Liverpool oka kula. Kulangafu ni tatu ama nini. So kula, kuna vile kuna mafansua Liverpool oale subu. Najiwali tukanana nambaya. Najiwali tetasana. Najiwangi tatu alse ma club ma subu go. Aon ni ma diehouse. Aon ni ma kabisa. Aon ni Liverpool. Dam. Exactly. You say niku extremism. Ma alisa numengia mahali weni una feelings mzito na. Kamo e kama ni gore. Kamo ni gore. Kana ni gore dam. Gore dam. Gore waki draw unan yoshiana. Gore waki waki work unan yoshiana. Machi eki. Yan ni nikamuna steaks kwela team. Kuchata kujui, Liverpool ukumbalil, lagiu ukuwa po kumtanda uji una tetasana club ma subu go. Siju skoding e panguaji agi. Adi naku miza ni. K๊or na homo me ja... Exactly. Ihna waifu, kabisa. Kuno wa tumba kukum هو swissi. Sidio. Naku na wa mi wana. Kuno wa wama mi luzu anot. jutimiko iusando extremism saa u pandeyu ki kifikam malunenda kwa waif amuna jiteiki amuna pyga pyga waatu, uusandi na kaminakwa violent extremism ma na tiki, ma li semi pyta ma li excess, ma luna tkaku tekan action a violent action, ma luka kumizamtu, malunesa umizamtu, malunesa wawamtu wa Mujiwe oku kuchikilei le actioniaiko. iusando violence extremism You've met guys as you interact with the public. You've met such kind of cases. Yes, so many cases. We have people who are radicalized, but not development extremism. They're not extremist yet, but we're going to process as we mentioned earlier, radicalization process. So you can be radicalized, but you're not an extremist. Laki tu na supporter wa tu kamabiliya meneza kwa ni… daye hardwa mani, alright? Laki ni, ikitingiwe hamisawa, sitenda kudi inyonga, sitafeliya kaburuugu kejani ina una. Ikitingiwe hamisawa, life in and of leha. Ya, internet extremism. Ya, so iluta... so eluta hamisaka kutekha stan dikuwe farm, hapusandu extremism. Sayi, because extremism is not just about maybe a team or something, it's about unideology. You can't believe what you are made to believe. Alafsasa pandeni ingia, wukamsana na pandembili. Religion na politics. Nice. Apuzao nasama mimi fanoa, this politician na manimi nasama wukatari kukufia mimi. Exactly. So, ajuku kicha ki uchame pandia bol, utapata violence wukam spontaneously. Maybe kwa game kitu tuile hapen, ref nini. But ingi na game pangwa. Nga pangwa visuri saan. What is radicalization? Exactly. Kunam tenezakana kijana sayi, anam pangia kitu antikafanya maybe 2024. Anansane sayi. Nduya nansakum radicalize pole pole, dakama kwa extremist, akuja pandemba kakwe violent, alafumu shoe akuja kwa terrorist, no ni, the four stages. So, iniki tu udansaku ekiwa kwa kituwa, na ni, unansaku e adopt, unansaku adopt feelings, kwa anza. Anaku ingiza, upendiza feelings, alafu attitude, attitude ya kuna change. Inansakua, attitude ya kunaza kwa kama ya ke, na vilana taka. Tuki ya wale, usifanya ii, ingi ya hapa usifanya ii, unona. Alafumu shoe, anta kia, iu attitude ya kuchu kunao action, unona. So, apuile action utatek, which normally violent, apundu na kujuna kwa, and extreme, alafuile action utatek, kuna kwa terot. Inani, so, how come in the mice radicalization of the youth? In fact, before I get to answer that question, ingeta aku add to atrobu amesema, kuna pata violent extremes wana exploit youth between 15 and 25, sanasana, wata wambawa kwa inga normative age. Kwa kwa target of, kwa ioka group, ioka age group, because pahle badu nendele aku develop, nendele aku develop na kujitambua. All right? So, wana kiku capture na mapemo at your normative age, inakua rise we kuguruna ilikitu. That is why robu ame kuta mesema, wana handa na mapema. Project nezakunia 2030. All right? Lakin saizu omeku ona, omenotizu kuna potential mahali. All right? Wherever you're easily lured, wherever you need to kukubrite, wana handa kuku nacha na mapema. All right? It takes time. Poli poli poli poli poli. By the time, inafika yo time, umeshaivu. All right? Ukotari, kukutumu job. All right? Because your process may take time. And still, yeah? Befoto ukutungilele yo suali badu. Still on that, because you reminded me of something. I am able to pick one point, is that the target is mostly the vulnerable and the weak. When your vulnerable is when you're still young at age and weak in any area, it could be financial weakness, psychological weakness, mental weakness. Asa hapundo anatek advantage of you, from what you say. True. Ramapu umengiza powa. Nabila me sema, kuna kitu inituwa individuatio, nia me sema kuji tambuwa. Uni, very, very big. Una pata kijana aji tambuwi, aji mezei nani, especially no kikam kwa easy communities. Una pata maybe anatuka kwa broken family. Sanasano pata weingi, waluwali reclutiwa kwa single mother families, kuma families kwa broken. Buda wali divorce, nini, nini, nini. Una tiki. Family zila zina role model, which is mainly, sanasano kwa boi ni ma buda. So, buda wali divorce, ma lidedi, ma... Nani, so kijana kiwa teenager, especially kipwa 12 years, anaza kujia line na kigina buda flani. Dwa pata kitambuwata crime, violent crime ili kwa mob, jo kijama criminals, wana kujia na shikiliya, onatuka kurikrut, so anu nukijana huyum, chkue, ana buda. So, kijana ta look up to, to ye... Kujini fagafiga? Ye, exactly. So, na patata, aw extremist nudisim, broken families, zingini edukation, wana pendasana, fo foot soldiers, wana pendasana vijana me drop out of chuo. Amma matruwa ntu attendigi chuo, jo uredo anuana kasorofla, kasorofla ni. So, ataka ma, teka advantage yaiyo. Inginu anu penda, vijana uredo kukwa, easy delinquency, easy crime crime do gondogo, wana anuana kijana wibaba anuibapa le, anatuka le. Exactly. Wana cheku, uredu usha ingushia kona criminal mind, denu anu pendasana wana tumia drugs pier, jo kwa wana tumia drugs, saki liya kunizagi uzora isi. Vitu simple ka aveve, kamu kwa under 18, ntu anu, kwa lotu anu joku, kuku ingiza line na yo, atakununu, liya atakanawe, salimu na shikishendo, anaku chocha, akili, unona. Denu kuna kuna ishiupiezo social economic, anu kwa powa job, kwa community amtambuliki, amuambiliiki, kuna amtana kwa ambia, unona. Isu ondo gapu anafile lafu, extremism. So, ina kamu niyo, issues are psychosocial, unona. Mali, awkupo apia kiliswaneza kwingia apo and kira isi. And this is why we want to urge all our youths, all our youths. Those who are watching, even this discussion here, nizuru kwa kwa ma paropia, juna yo kuna miutuman imigine moja kupali anaku watch, know yourself, gitambuwe. Adoi, someone will take advantage of your vulnerability and maximize on it because you know when you come a clay isasa, because your vulnerability anaku mold when you are an attacker. Na vile, ali se ma kevo, skudanga ni a edge, kwanziya, espeche liwa lo kufuki, batama report, didyana wengi walu alisa fihirisho kwenza Somalia wali off late, ni 14 years of age, 14-14. Then kuna kitu bigisana, ili important, one of the most important, peer pressure. Peer pressure. Kwa mga ilata pikiwa chuwa nambiowe na chochana ki grub. Ilata mkiwa mkiwa mtaani, mkiwa mtaani, buda kimezea kuna kiziana moja ni omrakwa grub anakombi estraki kuna nile grub, jo na jo omta chochana. Una cheki. So ii, una pata ki jana moja, kama mii recruitiva, ule recruitana pressure mob, atatumia tu ki jana, kwendoq chochawa enzake, nahapunduna pata, wengi wakihenda, wenda in groups sana sana 4, wakihwakiruguni 3, 3-4, 3-4. Kevin, kwa yo processiote? Sasa, I think we can now come back to that other question, to tell you reduce agye, events come easy. Now that we know that these are the vulnerable groups, how can we minimize that? Very good questions. First things first, from the National Contradership Center, kuna tituna naitu on National Strategic Countering Violent Extremism, ambayu kuna pilas, na amangizda pilas kuna hiri henda soko social pila, kuna educational pila, kuna media, media na unain pila, pilas ni kama kumina mna ii. All right. Now, kuna arts and culture, first things first, is to empowering these youths through education, understanding that these in their tentative age, on any level grow, through that, una afidna lot of information on being patriotic. All these goes to being patriotic, because muitu atpenda kanti ake, ate iki henda na mnagani, atap kuja kuja lewa semiapana, na mkanya, I am in spite of my country. Easy ways if I die. Pia puno alimua hindi namba mkua radicalized, Amboa badawa japua violent extremist. It is very, very paramount for them. Wa piti shwe through e psychosociali pili nasema, wa piti shwe through search na kumitwambazneza kawnta zile narrative zia kwa mba, whatever you've been taught, whatever mekuki amboa about this thing, it's not true, all right? So kuna is a national strategy to counter violent extremism, zime kwa kasi gated here to county level. Na kwa kila kawnti, kuna kinutua kawnti action plan. Na wa dosi wote wa wakama kawnti kwa nasitambu wakabisa because Nikitwili kwa roldak presidenta kapitisha. So what we are saying is kila kawnti ina amboa, ina yatambuwe kuna youth. Na kuna iwa kwa mboa ina patia youth empowerment in terms of training and capacity building. Pia kuna issues are education pillar. In the education pillar, wuna pata sema prima, sema college, sema high school college zote, kuna productia NCTC ina ito assistive, child safety against violent extremism, assistive. Wida assistive ina kubali kama ni mode acheki, kuna kijana apalinona aiko fiti. All right? Ina patia elementia kwa mba, as aki onaki kuna change in behavior of particular student, there's a procedure on how you're supposed to handle certain person. So this what it has been rolled out, it is already there and it's already operational. And this what we are saying, we are telling what work across board, particularly in the learning institutions in Kwamba, you see something in your students, among your students are teacher, please report early in advance. All right? You see something in any changes kama mazazi nyumbani, please report. Because along the way we can radicalize, kuna science and bio, umtutuna kabisa, umtui, amo boiwangu, ame change. Ame change. All right? If you could talk of campus, kama mazazi vijana ona cross, ili siri asa. Bio ambo. Thru ili piya presya. Nani wengi. This what we have been doing for the last couple of years and trust me, vijana ona pigwa bako ingine. Ambo si ota. And I wonder, we've been doing this for so many years, you know, success rate, lachidwa, you see in the lage, so far. David, this program end up only, you keep me wuute and wuute. As much as wuute na pu, nani wuute na gava, piya si kwa community kuna kuga shu lietu. Nasa nasana si lietu kwanze na zana conversation. Nani wuute na kuchanuma community, nani ade, kuna iititu, na, uki iitidiana, lakwa sumikunizu o science, kuna iitidiana alwaga muhaktiv wiko ame change. Kidugo jo ame kula, me niya mazaga, kwa kona pikiake, kwa simu alwaga na cheka, cheka kengaliya vitu, so ii kwa kona me defitiana, kusimu yanki, maruna na zakuna kijana na kwa na anongianu kali, ama na darau vitu zingini, izondo sumo pesaim skuza kuchiki. But minwe pigei shu li, na avijana na kwanze fukweta wali, na success iiko. Successiko namba one, tunadjari busa na pijana na retire recruitment. Nani na kamutruku chainu avijana, kwanza waku yawea. So umteki kampumuambia na iweba, na easy, inini nuna kujari skuza. So ii inafatu fani inini na you know, people are aware about eating do to minimize isimu raiwea, decalazation kaza. Kuhu eni na pungi ya na watu kwa kuku kumita. Talk to them. Ala fupi ya, section kama ii, juhu, why 254 ni watu wengi wana iwot. So ii vidya na wami ya muka, wami kwa wana wana cheiki. Kuna sa kuna vitu mingisa na wami lang kutoka, kutoka apa. Wazazipi ya puna vitu wata kwa na karada, na azwebili kwa nungi ya. Ile mutu ya hindi, hindi chuo mutu ya na zoktumi ya ma drema, peyma, unona. Mutu ya na zoktumi ya ma darau, fujo, mutu ya na zizi indo gundogo. Izo nufutu wata na zaku kuangalia. Na once wu kwa weya, ya vitu science za kuangalia, then muteza dikinga raise. What about online influence? Online pay kuna, ikuna factor to play when it comes to this. Ten na bigi sa. Tata hindi wa ma maya ma sasa sa. Bigi. Bini bigi, bigi. Bini bigi, bigi. Vidya na, vidya na nana pati kana wa pisan. Ata wewe sa hii. Tukono ya bakwa kwa mbuulu. Raki ni su kukwa, uko komtanda, uko Twitter, uko WhatsApp. Ata kuna waseo njitare, washa komendo na sema wada watching. Eh, na, nukono wa tu, kuna follow us wei. Kuna follow us wei. So ima jinue wewe mwenye wuki wa radical. Wajepi elezmat kwe rada not wanna influence kama wei rao. Hehehehehehe. exactly. So kawa yusaii uki ratikulaji siwa. Walo kuhi ngeze box, wone zengizi wa tuangapi box. Itanda wa knunia kuna sumanda wone discrete. Kuma ali, nuna kuna kumbe karada na kijana, wavinga ngaesana sana, kwa ruma midi feature. Dukenda kwa cagea eote. It's very important for for parents to kuskiza ikitu. Parents wengi skuza, kumbe ea kijana wangunim, zuri ana mambo, Bankt kitu wa na kama na jifunge. Aa ondo blanda. Jujunine na ne nendelezea palen. Jujunine na ambiwa. Na kwengezo kuizo chatrum. Aia pukunze ni nasunga haraka. At some point, ISIS, polkugana over 70,000 Twitter handouts. Ina fumo... 70,000? 70,000 orta... Iki fumo na fumo ingine. Angaliata during kitu kama Westgate attack. Wala kuna sambaza info ya wa api. Komtandao. Dosit too. Dosit too. Allafsa sinimangati. So mama falha. Unuskia he, he sturu na toe api. Alchebar boku na Tweet handle ya wa. Natu usitia hi seima api. Watwa tai follow. Kuna Tweet handle ya wini toe wa. Ito wa, ito wa hugo. Tieda toe pundo neka. Sumta ni ndanapata fa di. Allafsa umta na fanyi nina nana follow. Loziki hiya. So iti na short time 10,000 followers. Muntandao niblanda. bwa bwa bwa bwa tiajusia yule boyali ali mada family mada mada ka mada ka mada kuna matui mabra kuna maa si stalk Belo jamato kiskiya story yi mili ikun jamaliko metulia da na mwetwa na story atakuna metu hangi imaji wemitu kamehena sa safanyeka Lakin ni nini yuli inform pakamik decision kali kama yo na utafutetan jaroya yaku wa angusha pole pole yu see All these through media and online Iyotubu sayu kakijani biniya meseima kwa rumu zilemi tuwa mbawa tuwa nangaliya kwa izumafuwa So pari subi rili kiafum don't just allow atia kaitu kwa bedubu yake Anafaku wa radaile didli Kwa sababu ee What even happen apu Oneza imagine ee nwa tuwa nga tuwa nakses social media sahizi sahiri internet kumfano bija nga na sema haona job gaba itu patia internet tunaji padaizu hote nengia kumtanda nini itu watafutapalenda nia yaw system Unapata nao through NCTC now we have some some platform here because you want to come on to media media piazina to media media we have some platforms at the NCTC kuna mojene itu a citizen support mechanism ambayo ina ina give a lot of information on science of radicalization on any kind of information regarding radicalization, terrorism how to counter narratives and so on and so forth napia ina kupati opusionia ina eventu mewa nakitu meha peniyam se ina eventu wonem tu moja naka ameza kwingi enjaroza ameza kwa radicalize you can do to report early in advance alright to kuna twital handle ambayo itu nita eza kupati analita ni CS mekanizim rada to doza easy CS mekanizim ina itu a CS mekanizim you can do to twital handle ee yo platform a lot of people kuna Facebook page ya citizen support mekanizim ambayo uneza wuka tu follow pali a lot of information in there that will help you or guide you either as a parent as a youth or as a citizen of Kenya alright to be able to catch up napia kuna website you are www.citizensupport.go.ke uneza wuka ina kwa yo website it has a lot of information ambayo ina eza eka guide so when you go there measure that you you know drop in your comments or go online see what you go online give back your thoughts ee is told it to na eza e ma liza aje san sana wuna ina wuka kwa ma youth na nimbayo mtu kwa there is this problem tana se ma mimini introvert naka kwa rumiake muna ewa you know how can we be able to reduce radicalization of our youth are you a parent how was your son or your daughter been behaving are you a youth how can we reduce it usipare tu mta meka tu pekeiku then itu a kusawa pana kuna chambo ati anaji skizi ati anaji skizi anaji skizi a mungine alafu brade in kwa tkaku kitu muimutsisa wu asumatia zi isshuhiko na vidyanu ingi omengia kuna ho kuna ho ta e kuna meka mob e kuna noma vidyanu omu ingi li putezot si me bambu o kojela and all that so na pata community mob ma li ikitwil kuna apensana kwa tol kuna kwa e atpu sana batsup kakamna kina kebo nctc wala na pati ana opportunity e vidyanu kuchenju minme weakness kuna vidyanu ala ata different levels bila leongelia kuna ala lukwa okoradikolized wana need kudise engage yo wana jo adiradikolize yo kuna wana omu ko extremist wana kuna ua lemba ko ame kujo ame nambaka front omu fight na wana tkakuru di om wana kuna ka opportunities wana judisha lue wana jo maluta pelku kuna omu kifanya piya ni mingi bada una pelku akotini na ufungu na ukifungu bada ukondani diradikolize ine nendelea wana na ukamuriabilite usama kuna diradikolize kuna disengaged disengaged wana kwa disengaged wana then your process ina anza at the tail end kuna reintegration ma li uta judisha bada bada kwa community kuna ala piya directly wana nge ko yo process wana kwa disengaged diradikolize wana hiya rehabilitated then reintegrated nasubdangani bada nime oni me change watu kwa kutukavidi anawa li kwa uko wakito anoma wakifaituko and all that na umehudi sayi wana mafamilizawu wana life ini nila kwa because kwa me piti yo process elin tutukena kwa nc nc no nc tc nc tc umejari buku richa kwa kwa watu mumekwa na public meetings kabifat mume engage wa to to create that awareness how reception imekua vp reception imekua amazing in fact and and all those love quoting one of the vc is kwa university to li po muambi about issues of terrorism within the university na akatupati ya go ahead ya kutrain university students ali to muambi he hakuwa na juwa ya ali kuna then ni anga terrorism radicalization ni witu za irak uko sujuza afgani stan adwi na fani kandiyama adwi na fani kanyubani so that would mean something ya kwa mba a reception api kwa viri hi what women za kuju ya kwa mba etu me koutu kidanganiwa tutu me koutu kipigwa bako ingina deadly tutu me koutu kiluza wa lives for for for for the wrong reasons all right instead ya me kwen daku ingia system kasa isi kuna kuna marikutu menti ajeshi na policie ba lampu enda anga ni afaiti ekantriya ke una danganiwa una na faiti ya uh different for you go for it for different cause so right now people understand that fact na watu ingi wa men za kuru ni kabisa kuna fani a reception wa say kwa kasa isi ni moutu moutu ni moutu moutu religion this is uh a very common denominator amongst the violent extremists to kiangalia affiliation to certain religious ideologies what is the role especially for or or or of religion you know in this fight sanasanatu kangalera decalization on all those of the fight against the violent extremism I think una jwa religion religion if it is me kua since then in memorial um atu na zita kua always but kuna utuala na tumia bini in Fibahara na pian in order we kia wama vidyana kwa but una jwa amu eze amu katus kumodya twende ni noma ay is it last moment kuna kitu na ungana juia akesinio so our two recruiters on agenda yaw but last moment gizawatu kwa box flani na pata ni easya kwekawa kwa boxia yadini jwa na jwa diini utai hold strong politics ni ni ni ni mdo kiza ma mesema aki se ma mesema nusa kuna kuna gavitu tatu very strong love religion na politics but religion di kopale ju juo ni imani awoni awi shiki awi wuna jwa and like politics ni mtu wunona wuni na nina na tumia na tumia so neza wunona but diini wui oni wuna mwa iini kitu me kwa pa over 4,000 years wunona na kuna utwana iigandamiza wusi pingeja twende ni so last moment diini na tumika kama box ma lotwana in gizwa inafungwa alafuna wuna mwa wuna pigenia alafuna jwa diini always me kwa gana rewards kwanziya skuzote wuki kufia diini ni better than kufa kama kakriminola manini wuna jiki so kuna maliuki kufu uta uta eleke so ni easy kwa kawatu kwa boxa diini hence tuna tumia tuna waksana na religious leaders wunona vidyana awole omichkadini nata mabuda juo ni muimu waluwati chochotu mamiwa kidiini wukwenamutula na kama na kumbiapana wuki so ma religious text visuri utona uja ma kukusome aiawote ali kumbi anusu juo awo chiku kwa mbaka iso text wuna jia wenda ni Bible ama Quran ama niliwa indisitata ichkua wana suma nusu awo kumbiwote kumbiwote wana kumbi elepate ni wunataka ee wana kumbi elepate wunataka lutaske alafi yungida awe 20 wunona aki kutumiata kwa uta na kutumizo kwa utfupi fupi eleansu ma fanya iu na fufanya iu wuna so tuna tumia awole watua kovere conscious wana kama wana kumbi ano ikitu yawote nasema ama na kwinter pretia the right way kozao ingine sanasanda pata na kwinter pretia the wrong way so dinina tumika tukama box ma luatwa ni ingizwa kuna kutia noma umenu kumbisha kuna vasingine ee ee in the christian religion am christian kuna vasingina maizana penangu tumia enjoy your youth enjoy your youth enjoy your youth kina hapo mwisho kuna ingine wana changa ee yubija watua kiwa shere uda skia simaji ligi uza kwa gage ligi katae ni gage ano nwajukba do kuna vasingine nena zema jo wakuchunga na na gage imedestroy kingdoms wuna cheki ee ingine na kumbi hee akuna jama wise solo munal kuna maifunga pilau ee na kuna vasingina kumbi piya karada nama demuengi kuma medestroy kingdom so izono pitu kuna religious leaders wa very very important na ki kukamku kujaziliya izo izo izo manaratizu yuki radikolaisi usu nusa wuna kumkahedia kuni holo wana kam ahura radikolaisi ni masikoloji spiwa ali aju saana nubilali zema lezwa piyamku ni masikoloji spiwa ali aju wala uta counti izo vitu we yuda kwa izu but this issue religion religion as he say in box and bio tumupo tilea san dan is there a way that we can be able to bridge this gap and create or send the right message especially kumtambamu kwa convinced that according to their religion wana minu that kind of ideoloji I do want to quote mdusiwangu ali semanga Kenya we are very religious dunapata lazi makilam se mahali anaji affiliate na religion flani so in that regard from NCTC tuliweza kukamapna an interfaith kind of an organization mahali ambapo ikueweni wa ukueni muslamu ukueni kristu ukueni budis ukueni wateva tumupom yaani we want to mean stream we want to sharpen the kind of information that we are putting out especially to those people nambawa na kua radicalize on the basis of on the basis of religion so it is very much running ilianza ilianza sa idzakosto sa idzimenda penetrativen to the other regions I may pick up the zura sana because before we will pass here inianza kupretu kitupale kwa church alright ilia kumiti isha kajini ono dwe kwa kumiti arocha kumiti isha kajini katsena akaona kwa na hiya pa ini noma alright ulemsi amianza ido wateva na anafundisha pale see your right foot see your right foot so amianza kupiti isha da kama kari kila miyani yaa unafundisha kwa kwa church flani maa kwa muskiti flani what ever u giving is relevant to the needs of what we need as a country to our principles the valuas i said alia we are a religious country so let us go back to those values and dial are legitimate and same with family but to those national valuessa una national values na hata tjekke kuwe religione kunazili wa values and value when preaching kama we nichaj the gifts of the Holy Spirit our youth una n patriot those are values and values mezi uwana kuja u doko na mek. Nalafinanza mapema kumi nezidiholdu. Sande skuli madrasa u onu kuchini. Tamdu bado brineu bila li sema, yunamoldiwa inanzeu kuchini, yunamoldiwa mapema. Ukondina feyangali wa sana. Di bedenu wicha kwa ambigi pia, yunafukumingi ya, atagandikuwa dini, nila paneini, dana dini utumika sana, Bati wu na ulizao aiz 一ana wu na mbuo, wunera pigi ya kupigeni islamu nga o islamu a nuna Unenda somali oku faitu, wunenda pigeni nana nani somali So nuku o islamu wunza ku, wukenda siria wunenda ku wana ni So islamu wunza ku, atoki kamu kwoki tandika, kama skula kichapa, ways to get nata dhusit Walu wapi o islamu wunza wunona, which ni nini blanda, wunona kami le dhusit, mba kakuna budali liya Ali se majo watu wasi uweke auma terrorist kwa boxi yauna na islamu, aoka kwa boxi ingine tufa uti So don't believe that any terrorist is a muslim? Is a muslim, true, true, true Lazuma we call them for who they are They are terrorists, they are not muslims Niviluna tumia islamu kama excuse na kwingiza wa tu kwa iyo boxu But they are not Kwa islamu oto angi kwa terrorist kungi kwa kukaliki anywhere Una na How many of them wanna fanyambaka issues kwa kukawntaiki tuwa kwa hengi Wato na pende inti yao Ni so sad, unapatawa to na watua apa, una tolewa apa kama mkenya Unendu na triniu osu maali una huwa islamu inza kuka lafuna rudichu wa uku Uwetena wa atu uku Una jiki, which niblandu attack? Unu wa ma your friends, your countrymen and all that It's a high time pia vidyanatu pende inti yao Lazuma tu pende kenya Lazima tu pende I think enough in calculi kiwa Exactly, watua kiwa pale primary school Wanzu ku pende inti Wanzu na pende inti yao Uta ta kaku iduru Amu ta ta kakuna anyone pia Ani leti anoma No, it's sad Anybody can be radicalized Anybody can be a terrorist Okay, so anybody Ata wewa So what are you going to say? Because we are in a position to influence After me, me Anybody Ile formati o Muhammadu terrorist Saidi jahorin terrorist Sayi uti in terrorist, Karanjani terrorist Anybody can be a terrorist type Because here we will be co-socialized And we will be hanged at the wrong people at a specific time So anybody can be a terrorist And that's what we are saying Iyo perception ya kusema Ati mu islamu And yo akuna high chance ya kua radicalized It's a lie Anybody can be Now we have regions in the Republic of Kenya Levels of radicalization is very high For the obvious reasons Of course, the push and pull that we talked about And Amboina kwa served, of course As Rogward said, through ideological means Now, most of those places in metropolitan Maal na pata kabila zotez ko ile place Uta shangasano kipata ot Na shangasano kipata Karanja pale Una shangasano kipata Madhenge All these people So this is what we are saying Because anybody can be a terrorist So what do we do as a country Is to make sure that all the same information Kwa relate to all persons across the country All persons are all youths in the Republic of Kenya Kwa kilam sewezut pwata Ii good news ya kwa mba Kuna hope, let us love our country I like the conversation in this sense We are now here At least information in the kwa past For the past few years Since this fight against terrorism Counter-terrorism And the fight against radicalization But for someone who is watching you at home Ni kwa pwata kwa mojitu Ongena wakena Giving us your final word It has been an interesting conversation But now I want you to speak to them directly Uyomuzaazi Amo yomu youth Mwenya kwa api viana ya tikuwosh Ungepenu mweme ni ni Hacheneze na uweke bobo Me na nzana pijiana Mwenya na tikuwoshitu mike pibaya Nika randa usitu pishu randa Una ona Mekchu wa base umadu na kwa Kwa tu na tikuwoshitu tikuwoshitu Uusitu kaingizu kwa Noma uta jitoa Amaka bude jitue ta kwa Uumuza wa tuengi Nona ni elewa ni kwa miyeivo Nene nzana no ma kama Kwanza tuizut utumia Una jwa matre Kungia kwa mara nani juo kilu wami a kwa great, kwa nukulun tuw a kreda kil ya n至'um kajuu nanda nbia nusifkiri e a waysi ngizu nani juo vigiana wa lulukwa kwa crime violent crime lal engineered lulukwa wante dwa kendapa menda hati egze LUMendesum na wu titu na fanya na wu titu na kana u oki nukanda kumbakumbo Siya tiai, yu agit wukwam piyagi, ambi yam tu, ambi tafta adultin positive, amam koichiwa kwa community, mamzaizwa kia lafumambe niyade, wubo ino na, mamda jmdi puwa. Nachegi, natsapu datu kwa po. Napoma parents. Please, please, please, ina kuzo to all parents, across all social economic divide your kids are not safe from issue of radicalization. Usiyonu nii shikaren utu yaku kuse, aniza kwa ambi yaw, piyonga piyoma dos, kwa mii recruit yaw. Usiyonu nii shii, langata, south, bimini, midwizwa kwa wunu kuse. E, na piya palimita ani, usiyonu na tiki tu nii watu yu amita flami, ati area flami, ikokila mani. Don't think you say, usiyonu ki jano kwa na kaga kwa nyumba ati nii poli ufiru kuse. Unona, ikitu ina kata cross na anyone can be recruited, anyone. Tu kuna FBI agent ali recruit yaw. FBI agent, including ina serious way. So no one is safe. So parents, please, please, have conversations not to away. All is yuki dyanana mafanya nii, yuko api, nana mii. E, mani shii tueni old school parenti na mani shii yuki yuki about them. Yuki yuki about them, kata kama nonna wibaya wibanya nii. Na kama wizi wungi anaya yaw agresif na uesana. Tafuta akonshiaz piya, beshteya kia ule ule. Let's mu kutakwa naka beshteya yu kuku yu line, puwa, medwa. Nanda else, mita pute, mita pute. Minda bujiata mo loa mawa, wikam niyungi. Yuko wili kutabaya, wikwa kupa akonshiaz piya na wibaya. Wota kupa traja okrotej. Yuta pute, rahi siya na tu pwita, obo, zenda Facebook, obo, obo, inboxiangu. Mita wangu bina kupata. Kevin, your final word. Good. We go back to the basics. Let us be our brother's keeper. Univalu Christa li piya na kitampu sana. And I'm sure it cuts across all kinds of religions. Let us be our brother's keeper. Ukiwa na youth man moja ame go out of the norm. Kesho ita kwa ni community. In the long run ita kwa ita deteriorate those democratic values of a community or society. Now, first things first. It is so easy to influence each other amongst the youth. We appreciate and make one a disaster. So let us know the kind of people that we hang out with. Please, please, please. Sayazi kuna wa tu, kuna, kuna. Kuna ma mbogiza because we stick together because we take alcohol. We stick together because of the kind of drugs that we take. But are you your brother's keeper? Ni group 2 setting pekiyake ama inesia poma in extent. Now, come in extent. To what level does it extend? We go even deeper as robot says to the parents. Wasazi, please, let us care about our kids. I cannot stress that enough because it starts from that family setting. Knowing the way about we are men and our people. Jwa ma bishtewake. Jwa ma bishtewa ma bishtewake. I will understand and hang out with them. What kind of values do they have in that kind of group setting? So, and bottom line now, by the end of the day, we need each and every person, especially the youth because as we all know, we are the future for this country. Now, to kiazakuban relationships, to kiazakuban, na ma perma sana, ourselves, our democratic right, as youth, as young people in the long run, who will be here to defend our country. So, we need Kabisa to remember that we are Kenyans and we patriotic and stick to the values of our country. That's right, Kevin. It has been a pleasure. Interesting conversion. We need to have such kind of conversations. But Kenya wa amke. You mentioned it. It also has a role to play in this whole conversation. Thank you so much for your presence today this morning. Nbukwana Robo, Robat Mwenyewe. Robats Ochoala. He is a countering violent extremist expert. And Kevo. Voke. Voke. Keve Jawo Ruiz from the Productive Security and Defense Department at the National Counterterrorism Centre. Gentleman, you are doing a fantastic job. I wish you the best as you continue. We are fighting on this war against terrorism together. This has been Y in the morning. That means to the end of this conversation. The hashtag is Y in the morning.