 I mean I don't come down to we either came we either came from the intelligent omnipotent Omnipresent all-powerful God we either came from that or we essentially came from the rock can I Frank Well, I'm a Christian, okay Thank you, thank you, thank you Yeah, do you want to talk about What I'd really be interested in is what motivates you to believe that you have a true I'm sorry. Can you say that again the Bible the Bible Bible Bible? I thought you said I'm just an ignorant Bible I thought you said reliable and then I was like Here's my philosophy I believe I believe that everybody has to have a credible okay reliable What hold up you made on the list I got a lot credible credible Uh-huh reliable, uh-huh Authoritative That's a pretty big word Authority to go me spell for you Credible reliable authoritative source now, that's an easy word authoritative source of truth All of us have to have a credible reliable Authoritative source of truth to her to face all my question if I just had a credible and reliable source of truth Is that good enough? No, it has to be It has to be all free is there any other aspects of this that makes something more true like if I had credible reliable authoritative and That's all you need credible reliable authoritative source of truth. That's all you need How do you something become reliable? How do you what what is a reliable thing? Something that's reliable. Yeah, like what's the aspects of you can test and investigate something you can test and investigate So you figure out it's reliable test and investigate and also rebuild if it's credible Let me ask you another thing too There's something that's true need to have all three aspects to them or in some casp is can it just be credible? And then other aspects give just be reliable like you go as far as my as far as my Because I never heard this man. I just want to make as far as my life's purpose is concerned or what I believe in have faith Then yeah, those three things have to be a part of it. They have to be every every capacity I'm saying it has to be a credible reliable authoritative source of truth for me to trust it I would love I'm convinced that the Bible is I would love to know a reliable test or investigation on God The Christian God you might have to just talk about that. Oh, yeah, sure. We could talk about a lot of tests So I guess are you confident that we have a reliable way to test and investigate God right now? Well, I'm I guess I am a hundred percent confident that the creation around us screams Okay, screams it what I know how you could I don't how anybody could ever put it isn't why do you conclude that it is? Oh my goodness. I mean you got for example, you have the grass the grass gives off carbon dioxide Mm-hmm or gives off oxygen. Oh, please don't say that We give up carbon dioxide. It's great. It worked out that way And you know if it wouldn't work out that way from here would all be dead. Yeah, okay, so that that's one thing Okay, okay when you look around the world need to see Symbiotic relationships in animals. Okay, for example in the ocean There's these fish in the ocean you like to go to Dennis. They're fishing the ocean Oh, yeah, there are do you ever go to the dentist you like the dentist the dentist? Yeah, no, I don't like the dentists But these fish they like dentists. They like the dentist talk to me Okay, I bought once a month these fish line up in single file You believe that we couldn't get people here lives a bit line up in single file Okay, and they go there to get their teeth clean they go to the dentist They go to the dentist and a little creature that cleans their teeth in single file line and single file This little creature comes up. It's a cleaner shrimp Okay, and it crawls in and it cleans its teeth and its gills and everything and if it didn't do that All right, the fish we all did that fish will be dead. He won't exist. All right That's your question. Well, no, not yet. I'm not done You can't ask me a question just just so we can make sure we're like on time Normally, I don't like five minutes a lot of people around us. Okay. I'm sorry So we have green grass that gives off gases that we breathe in right That's to me is pretty good test that we have green grass that gets off gases that we breathe in How did you get that to be a correlation for proof that a goddess? Well that along with what I'm sharing it right now. I'm saying that they all how do we test the God? Well, the whole purpose of life being able to exist If we didn't have oxygen we wouldn't be here, right? So it's interesting. It's really interesting. I mean by chance But we have a mechanism here present on insert that provides us the very thing that we need to survive And we give off the very thing it needs to survive I mean the mathematical probability of that happening It's almost like the mathematical probability of your bones coming together and right over your body I mean you got 206 bones in your body. Well, most of us do. Yeah, some people 206 bones in your body. Okay. Okay, your elbow isn't where your knees at your ankle isn't where your head's at I mean, they're all in the right place. Well, you know the chances how many you take 206 206 factorial You know that number is that number's like seven point something to tend to the 388 power of Possibilities that those those those bones could be in so how it just turns out that our bones are in the exact order They need to be mine. I'm just catching up. Just catching up. Just catching up. So that's what I want to have a conversation I want to have a conversation. Okay. How does something being unlikely demonstrate that your God exists? Something mean what? unlikely demonstrate that your God is testable Unlikely How does something being unlikely? Proof that your God exists and that's a good test for your God I'm I wasn't saying something You gave me the fact or the problem. Oh, I'm saying I'm wondering how does that being unlikely demonstrate that your God exists, how's that a good test for well It's a demonstration has to be a designer. There had to be somebody put this all together for life to exist the way We know how does it do that? Because anything everything would be gone. There would be nothing here Yeah, so like we have plans where there's nothing but like I'm wondering like how do you demonstrate that? Well, I'm saying that I don't put yeah, we do have plans. We do have plans to have nothing on it I'm not made them to put it this way. Okay. I take a coin cash it I did this example. Yeah, I heard you a big up take the point catch it Yeah, it's on the back of my head. It's heads or tails. Yeah, you give us right now. No, it's heads or tails Okay, I Can tell you right now Man, do you know how many trees there are on the Amazon? Like it's almost impossible count the leaves there on each tree on the Amazon. It's amazing There's no way that all those trees could just be there by chance. That must mean this has to be heads Like I don't understand how you're getting these two very desperate Ideas well probability of things existing and then the existence of a god How are you connecting those two and there might be a really good connection? But I'm just asking what that can well what I'm saying is is that for everything to even exist For us to even have this conversation for us to have a rational brain all these things How can that come about my random process? Chances, I mean, that's okay. It's impossible. I'm sick. Give me an example I mean if I if I came into your house and I said, hey, you know, uh, I looked at your thermostat on the wall I say that thermostat on the wall. Yeah. Did it just use all the wall one day or did somebody make it? I mean, I guarantee you you're going to tell me oh, somebody made that without you're going to say that I'm saying in my body. I have a thermostat. Okay. When I get hot, I sweat Okay, when I get cold, I shiver. I have an internal thermostat. All right. It doesn't even need to be set Yeah, okay. So if I had somebody that made a creator had to make that thermostat on the wall I'm telling you that the fact that I got a thermostat within me and that's just one thing I'm saying there's so many things in your body your bloodstream the way that your body clocks if you cut your blood But how is that a test? That's an observation it proves that there's an obvious designer if I brought this camera right here No one would believe it that camera just used all the time proves that we're saying that it's a designer But how do we test if that's true because this exists? If these things didn't exist, there wouldn't be the very fact that we have all these things around us It screams that there had to be a creator and a designer. How about that? They all work together So I work so I work in a lab. I'm sure you have a really great job too. Okay If I go in the lab One of the things I do is I make sure that chemical agents being destroyed in our in our Facility, I can't get into the details of it. But more or less We do tests to make sure if it's there or not and if it's there We do something else if it is we do something else, but I can't go into the lab and say Can't be there it is there because it is it is there because you've got to believe me Or it's there because look at the world around us. We have to do very specific kinds of tests That are reliable to determine that very specific thing. You're telling me a very specific thing You're saying a supernatural being exists and created this and I'm asking you without just saying this exists there for my god exists He created I'm asking you. How do we test if that's true? Well, I'm saying to you the very fact that your brain is even Able to create these sorts of things Tessifies that there had to be a creator beyond that a little bit earlier you were talking about Well, if somebody has can you have reason Without it being given to you and I'm here to tell you that the only reason you have reasons because there is an ultimate god That provided it and you always ask the question. Well, well who provided it to him? Guess what? He's not natural He's supernatural. He's outside this world. Okay, and you said you're 100 there has to be a beginning somewhere And you're saying you're a hundred percent on that well see You're a hundred percent question a little bit earlier. Yeah when he said hundred say he said you couldn't be convinced That's what you said. I can't tell if you're looking at me or someone else See I told you Yeah, I am a hundred percent I'm convinced what I'm saying is that it's got a blind hundred percent because I've listened to even when we're talking to conversations here Are you saying you're unable to recognize anything that would change your mind? I'm saying that I believe that the bible is god's book. He's revealed it to us I know usually that virus thing that you wouldn't be able to recognize some of that actually change your mind on that position Well I guess in reality, there's nothing that exists that would contradict what the bible says But are you able to recognize what would change your mind? Well, if I am able to recognize anything It's because I'm not saying I have it. I'm not saying I have it. I'm not saying I have it I'm just saying like are is do you are you capable? And do you have the ability to be able to recognize anything that would change your mind on that certainty that you have? Well, let me go to you this way. Are you able to recognize that there is a god Honestly, like we're sitting having this discussion and you're you're kind of putting me in a position Like say well, if you say you're 100% against it, I can't talk to you. I'm always open Sure, I don't mind asking questions to you. Is it are you really truly always open? Yeah, I think I think if a god wanted to let him know I think if we were talking about a god that Wanted to let me know that he existed Yes I have every faculty be able to recognize that if that god gave those things to me Oh, he has now I'm asking you he has do you have the ability to recognize? Well, you see when I'm talking I guess I answered your question. Yeah, but you're asking me about a hypothetical Okay, I want to talk to you about a reality I'm saying that the god of the universe has given you that already He's given it to you in person or hypothetical is a good way to like understand things better reality is a better one Okay, fine, but could I use a hypothetical question to like investigate? Like isn't that a reliable way to like investigate? Well hypotheticals mythology. It's like you're living in a hypothetical I have three apples. I'm gonna have a three apples. Wouldn't you say hypothetically? I would have six apples Like it's not reality. That's reality. If you have three I don't I actually don't have any I know I'm a great magician Really, I don't but I'm saying like hypothetically. I'm just wondering like is it important Let's move. Let's move aside everything we're talking about isn't important to be able to recognize What it looked like if we are wrong Well, of course, that's important to recognize. We see what you're what are you able to do that? Well, what you're asking now is that what the sense of what you're asking is is there an absolute source of truth No, I'm not that is the question. Yes, it is because if I believe I have the absolute source of truth If I believe it's the absolute I'm just wondering is it is it good? If we both agree that it's good to be able to recognize what it looked like for a wrong Are you able to do that? But if I have an absolute source of truth, I already have that I can't be wrong If I have an absolute source of truth, it all comes down to what's your credible reliable source of truth I'm saying my survival and in your case, it's your it's your reasoning and your Whatever and that's fine, but I'm just saying that when you start talking about this subject That's what it comes down to it. So here has to me. Do I have any reason to not believe? No, I believe I have the absolute source of truth I have where someone feels We're really having a great time. Thanks. Thanks. I'm let me ask you a question Okay, I'm I'm hoping this is good for the next talk that I have where someone Feels like they might be setting up for a trick question because I'm really not I hope you've seen from my conversations that I have But I'm really just trying to interest it and just trying to find like good ways to understand things And I found that the people who are unable to recognize what it looked like for the wrong Are missing a crucial aspect to having a credible and reliable Method to determine if something's true or not If I only have a system where I can detect the yeses and can't detect the noes Then I don't have a good system. No, I have a system that can So are you so I guess I'll get back to the basics But if we have trouble answering this again, it's totally fine I guess I'd ask for advice on what how you would you suggest I phrase the question for the next person But like Are you able to recognize what your misses look like with regard to whether or not this guy exists or not? That's I guess what I'm asking like in the event that let's say your let's say a god did exist But it wasn't the exact idea of god that you have but it was pretty close Maybe like 99% close, but you're missing like 1% of that thing like you're missing something pretty close And he's just like hey, by the way, just letting you know You got that 1% wrong, but it's cool. And you're like no, I was 100% like clearly there's a distinction here So I'm asking like what is that? What's are you able to recognize what it will look like for your wrong? What would that look like? Well, the good news for me is I have an authority source that I can refer to That tells me whether something's right or wrong But what would be so I can so I can just I'll just refer to myself to the bible Okay, okay evidence came up the dentist came up to say something was supposedly true And the bible said that it wasn't true I would trust what the bible says over that over the opinion of the person to interpret the evidence I mean you start down by this evidence thing. I mean it's all everybody's it's a matter of People's interpretation when they come to the evidence. It's not the evidence I have a fossil here And you can say well this guy can say it's millions years old. This guy says whatever but oh, we know for sure It's dead if I think we can really agree if I told you that I knew something existed But I wouldn't know what it would look like if it didn't exist Would that be a reliable way to determine if something existed or not? Say that again. You're you're going above my head. Oh, sorry. Um, let's say something Can I go through a hypothetical? Can I go through a hypothetical? Okay, I got a jar. I'm gonna take my glasses I got a jar of gumballs over here. Okay. I don't know how many are in there But now that's it. I said I'm the first thing but I come to you on the second day and I say hey I know how many gumballs there are in there, but I wouldn't know what it would look like if I was wrong If you liked me to tell you how many gumballs are in there Would that be a reliable way to come to that conclusion If you knew how many gumballs, then if I tell you I know how many but I wouldn't know but I Wouldn't know what it would look like Would that be a reliable way to determine that? Reliable way to determine what what's in there? How many gumballs? No, wouldn't be reliable because you didn't tell me the truth in the first place Okay, what if I said I had an ultimate source that told me that was true. You don't have to worry about it But you're not telling me the truth That's the thing. It's like you're not telling me the truth. Okay I mean you're using an example. They were like, well, what if I lied to you? Of course. I mean it's not gonna be reliable What if I said I know how many in there because I know grass is green and it releases gasses And I breathe in the gasses and I see the grass If we're talking about a jar of gumballs, you can count them and know that you don't have to refer to that I mean come on. Yeah, I think counting I think we there's more reliable tests to figure out how many are in the gumball jar than saying Right, are you following with been saying? Hey, I know trees. I know biochemistry But we're not talking about gumballs in a jar. We're talking about the existence of a god Yeah, I'm saying we're talking about the existence of a supernatural god. It's all known and all powerful I mean it all comes down to we either came we either came from the intelligent Omnipotent only present all powerful god. We either came from that or we essentially came from the rock Can I uh throw out something? So I think in conclusion, uh We determined that you know, it's good to have credible reliable and authoritative source of truth Accredible reliable. I value I value credible and reliable more than authoritative, but we can get on that later on But I'm thinking um, it's good to be able to know what it looks like when you're wrong I think we're both on that same page now. Okay, sure. Yeah And that's why you need an absolute source of authority and if you don't know what it looks like when you're wrong Like even if you have an ultimate source or not It doesn't give you a good method to convince other people that you have a true thing Well, if you have an absolute source of authority and you don't know what's up wrong because you're not reading the absolute source of authority Maybe Okay, thank you. All right, brother. Hey, thank you. Well, you can draw the chat. Yes Marvel