 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump, mind pump, with your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this fabulous episode of Mind Pump, where are we at? Super fabulous. We're in, where's this place called? Paso, Paso Robe. Paso Robe, beautiful, beautiful scenery out. Here's like a winery, is this like a place where wineries are? Hey, where would you rank the house for you? The house? Is this compared to all of them? Yeah, all of them. Oh no, I don't think. This has one of the best views. Yeah, one of the best views for sure. Yeah. I like the one in Hollywood Hills. I like the Tahoe one. But it's a nice place. But yeah, it's a nice fireplace. Yes, it's very nice. Anyway, for the first 50 minutes of our introductory current events conversation, we covered Eric Lundgren. He's actually a gentleman who's hacking into cars, making them last longer, and he might even go to jail over it. No, it's the computers. He's coming up with the chips for computers. Something like that. Pretty close. The computers of cars to make them last longer. Yeah, he turned them into, he actually took old parts from computers and made a car. Yeah. Yeah, that's what the car parked. Well, learn what we really talked about in this episode. We talked about the evolution of our style. I'm the most consistent. Obviously, he definitely have that down. We talk about men and crying, Justin gets real deep on that one. Man, I was blubbering. We talk about communication skills, Putin's new nuclear toys, or as Adam says it, Putin's new nuclear toys. Look out for sales, good transition to this one. We talk about finger piercing and tattoo trends, training frequency, muscle soreness, muscle adaptation. And we also mentioned two of our sponsors. Adam had the four-sigmatic reishi last night and it got him tucked into bed and he slept really nice. Now we are sponsored by Four-Sigmatic. 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I didn't know who it was and I feel like I should know who this guy is because he sounds fucking brilliant. He is like an e-waste recycling pioneer. He was one of the people that started to see how fast we were turning through these electronics and then it was gonna be a problem and then he's supposed to be really brilliant. He's taken some of these computer parts and he's actually made a car out of it that can go further than a Tesla on electricity, right? Really? Yeah, yeah, so he's supposed to be really brilliant and so check this out, that's what he does. So in 2011, he's been back and forth, I guess, in this big lawsuit. 2011, he creates a, I guess it's like a disc or a chip that increases the longevity of your current computer. So basically, I think it like updates it to whatever. So he's hacking into... So he's hacking it, he's hacking it and he's thinking, because you know what? Your computer's just obsolete in five years, right? And then you're into the next thing. Well, he's found a chip to expand the life basically of these Microsoft computers. And so guess what? Microsoft is coming after... Oh, they're pissed. Oh, for sure. Yeah, they want you to upgrade to the newest thing and that's why they, I swear dude, they have it built in to go to a certain amount of time to where everything's gonna start to degrade. There's not, there is no, like, this is... Like wear and tear. This is funny to me because especially for technology, patents are gonna be a... Bro, they're trying to put him in jail and shit over this. I know, so he's infringing on patents and patent laws and protectionist laws, which, you know, whether you agree with him or not, I think it doesn't matter. It's good luck. Like, this is a program. How are you gonna stop this? People jail break their phones all the time. That's illegal too. Like, one stuff like this in technology gets free, which obviously if he created it, it's not, yes, he's a smart guy, but at some point it'll be as easy as going on your computer and downloading it to something and then uploading it to you. That's crazy. Because every time I swear, I update after like Apple comes out with a new product and they update my phone or my computer or whatever, I swear like the speed goes way down. It does. No, no, no, they came out with a statement so that that's what they do. And they do that. So the reason why they do it is they say it's to save your battery life because the new updates. Oh, bullshit. Yes, that's, of course, that's what I think. Dude, they're playing like three, four generations down, dude, and everything, all the computers, all the computers, all that. Here's the thing with that though, Justin, like, that's perfectly fine in my... Yeah, I just don't update it. So for me, that's perfectly fine. They have the right to do that, but then somebody else has the right to potentially put something out. There you go. You know what I'm saying? Or you just buy something different, as far as this guy getting in trouble for doing what he's doing under current law. Yeah, he has broken the law, but this is all posturing. Like they're trying to make an example out of people like him, but good luck stopping anybody else from doing that. Like patents are gonna be so completely worthless at some point. Yeah. It's not gonna be funny. I can't believe I didn't know who this was. See who it was. Flammering to, you know, these old ownership of all these different things. It's funny. Like they're scrambling now, trying to figure it out. Because the old model is just completely, it's gonna change so much. What are you gonna do? Yeah. Do you guys remember anybody who before like Napster, like what was the first big, big thing like that? Oh yeah. Before Napster? Yeah. We used to steal cable. You know, you do the black box. All right. That's right. Like pay-per-view? Yeah. You could jack into your neighbors. Remember that shit? What else were people doing? I mean, people would go into camera and the movie theaters and like camp quarter. Yeah. But nobody really cared about that because the quality was so bad. Right, right. You could just get the same exact quality, no problem. Right. I'm trying, I wish it, I wonder, I mean, on my audience, I love, by the way- Every time I go to Mexico- I love that some knockoff shit. Do you? Yeah. You come back and you're like, these aren't Oakleys? Yeah. These are Folklies. Did you know how much those cost? Okay, so when I was a kid, I was in, let's see, your fourth grade. And I was trying to think of what made me into Oakley glasses that much. But I liked Oakley so much. That's when they had the razor blade sides. Yes. Oh my God. And you went with the razor ones? Oh yeah, and you could, I mean, this is fourth grade, bro. This is way bad. That shit was cool then, you know what I'm saying? Totally. And I saved the whole summer up to buy a pair. And they were like $120 or $140 back then, which is like $500 or $1,000 for glasses now, right? So I saved up for these glasses as a kid and that was when chums were popular. So you put the chums- Oh my God. Oh my God. The Crokeys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You put those on? Oh man, that's crazy. I don't know why I was just telling you that. The best was the ones like, you remember Michael Jackson had the ones where it kind of was like a web that went down, you know, from here, like they were bright red and then they had like a webbing around the sides. Oh, that's what I was telling you guys. Those things cost 23 cents to make. That's crazy. What? It's just plastic and then- Yeah. They were- Well, the cost of the product is not based on the cost of, like the cost the consumer pays is partially based on how much it cost to make them. My point of that is that we're gonna be able to make things like that for next to nothing. You'll be able to jack in your- It's just plastic. Like how easy would it be to get that raw materials here in the next 10 years? So think of it this way because I thought about that for a second, right? When it comes to fashion, fashion may be protected a little bit because people don't necessarily buy the expensive fashion because it looks better. It used to be that way, but it's really more so because they want people to know it's authentic. Like it's real and I paid this much for it. So I think what they're gonna have to do- Fashion is a way for you to express yourself. Right. So that'll never, I agree with that. Well, so I- We'll still find a way to make that expensive or- Well, that's what I was gonna say. What do you think about this? Like I feel like fashion makers will just figure out creative ways to- Well, I think we- Like maybe they'll do like a special- Well, look it. I'll show you how we do it. Here's an example of it right now. Do you guys know, you've seen my shoes that I have from Kikaso. So you're watching this stuff become really popular. Someone like Taylor that's a purist with shoes hates that and doesn't like that. But I see the future of that, of like even fashion being so unique. Like an artist does artwork on your- It's like the West Coast customs of shoes. Cause if you think of the 3D printing future, like you're saying, like we're gonna be able to print off the best coolest looking Nike's, I can just print them off. But what I can't, not everybody can do is have somebody put their touch to it on something that's like represents me. So like I'm, you know, like Justin, I'm into Star Wars. So I have some sort of like a piece of art on there that's represents Star Wars. And so I think things like that, because we'll all be able to make the models of our shoes. And look how we're doing, how you see Nike. It's more like licensing out your brand. Look where Nike, Nike went with a Nike ID. Nike ID was the beginning of that. Now you've seen it. And now it's getting more and more popular for you to customize it all yourself. So yeah, it'll be like that. You know what I'm saying? Everyone will be able to have a base model and then you'll seek out this. Build on it. Maybe, or the other thing could be that people just personalize and make their own shit. You know what I mean? People have such tools for doing these things that the people, it'll be maybe in style to not. Yeah, but that's like creative people. I don't think everybody's that creative. Right. They just want to fucking buy something. They don't have like an idea. They'll be that side too, Sal. Just like there is now. Or it'll be like in those dystopian movies where everybody's wearing like the same thing. Yeah. Did you guys like socks? Did you, Justin, did either one of you guys ever go through a phase where, I went through a phase where I wore like white t-shirts for like, like two years. And dark jeans and white t-shirts. Like a white Hanes t-shirt v-necks, dude. I used to wear white, I used to wear white t-shirts. I literally bought like 30 of them and I just just wrote it. But that was when I thought I was like all like rockabilly and shit and I would like cuff my pants, you know, I'd wear my white shirt and then grease my hair every day. Same exact thing. So handsome. How long did you do that for? How many girls did you do that? Probably at least probably a year and a half, dude. You know what I'm saying? How much does your style actually evolve in chains and sizes? My style? Yeah, has it changed much? You know, I mean, I'm trying to think of things that I actually were important to me with style. I used to wear a wife's beater's law. I had leather jackets. That's it. You used to. Yeah, I still do. You were working out in a white beater this morning. Oh, yeah. I've never seen you not wear a white beater. I mean, I mean, it literally was like tattooed on your body. You just gave yourself up so hard. That tattooed on your body. I want you to tattoo a white beater on your body. It's a part of me now. It's amazing, dude. No, I don't think it's ever been important to me. It's not something that I'm really super focused on. I've definitely been like, if I was going to go out with a girl or whatever, would try and look a certain way. But I really never really care. Well, you look sharp. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying I'm curious. What I mean is I never put thought into it. It's simple. I never really put thought into it. I think to myself like, oh, I'm going to there were times when I was a kid where. So you never went through that as a kid where you felt like you wanted to like wanted it something as your friend was wearing. Janko jeans. At one point, you know, there was that whole junior high phase where you really want to do it. Did you hacky sack? I was just going to say hardcore hacky sack. No, no, I didn't hacky sack. Wearing those fucking balloon jeans. No, I never did. You know, it was like a period of time between 12 and I'll say maybe 14 or 15 where you're like, you're just trying to fit in. You know what I mean? So you kind of see what other people wear. But then after that, I started, I really stopped caring. So I was just like, whatever. You know, I was this past weekend and we were talking about this. I was forced to be creative with like my outfit because we couldn't we didn't. I got a box like every year for my grandmother that my sister and I, OK, my 50 year old grandmother is picking my outfits out, you know, Sam. She's picking my clothes out, which I appreciate. And I love my grandma for that. But I had like all the knockoff like Nike stuff. It'd be like a Nike swoosh, but then inside of the hangings. It's like the swoosh is upside down. No, they weren't. I had like a visor was backwards, you know what I'm saying? But people didn't pick up on it. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. So I had shit like that. So I remember I remember early on being teased for like my outfits. And then I so I think that it it's thickened my skin and built this strong character around that to where I was like, I'm going to own it. You know what I'm saying? I heard your feelings at first. No, I thought I was trying to think back to that. Like I don't remember it. Well, how did it thicken your skin? Well, here's the thing that tripped me out, too. So it's something that we broke through this last weekend was so we're telling stories about my sister. And I forget exactly how we got there. But I started to say something about my sister. And this is where I started to cry. I was it was a trip because I first of all, I don't ever cry. And I started to get choked up about it. I've only seen you cry like four or five times. That's pretty low. But what? What? The time I got you in a headlock was one of them. What? What? Trimmy, what? Trimmy. I mean, Anatoin was like, he's like, he's all it's OK, dude, what tell me is it was this hard or sad? And I was like, no, bro, this is a joy, right? It was actually I was talking about something that my sister had said to me about me and it made me feel really good. And I and then I start that made me go even deeper and go, you know, it's a trip. So I didn't even cry at my dad's funeral. And so from that point on, I can't tell you a time that I've ever cried in my life over being sad. Every time I've been emotional, whether I've cried, it's a bit out of joy and excitement. So I and I was like, oh, that was a trip. That was a connection that I made that I never even thought of until he made me get emotional over something. And then he asked me, he thought I was maybe sad or something. I was like, no, no. You know, that's actually quite common among men because we as we grow up and get older and whatever, we know that crying is like socially unacceptable or, you know, you're made fun of. And it's always attached to don't be a wimp, you know, be strong or whatever. So it's always attached to pain. Right. So I think we have learned as men to. So for not cry for that. But then when you all of a sudden get super happy and don't know what to do, like you don't know how to deal with that. And then the emotion kind of comes out a little bit. That's what I really think it is because I'm the exact same way. So think of that. So think that if men naturally kind of have that in them already and then my father takes his life at seven years old makes it worse, right? And then I and then I don't cry. Well, also probably because I can't even imagine. And I'm the child because he was seven, right? Right. And I'm the oldest. Like how you're dealing with it. Yeah. Right. So you probably felt did anybody tell you or did you automatically feel this? Did anybody come up to you and say, OK, well, you're the man of the house now, or did you automatically feel that because you automatically felt that right away? So right now, now you're seven. Now imagine this, your seven year old self feeling now that you are the man of the house. Your seven year old understanding of what that meant. Right. Is what you like an immediate like switch went off. Like whatever you what you understand is a seven year old. Now you're like, this is what a man is. And I'm sure crying imagine how much it's cemented into my mind now over all this time to, you know, I'm 37 years old, think of all those years. So I thought that was really cool that we made that connection that I had never even thought about that before. And I said, oh, shit, that's a trip, you know, that type of stuff. I can't remember. I can't remember the last time I cried over something really sad. Yeah, either. That's very difficult. I didn't cry. I'm sad. Dude, I didn't cry when I got divorced at all through the whole process. I didn't. And it was a very tough. I was the hardest thing I've ever gone through. Oh, yeah. Well, I cry. I did cry when my when someone very close to me died of cancer, but it was what they said to me that made me cry. And she told me, you know, don't feel bad. You you did help me. You really tried your best. And then I was like, and so I don't know if that's necessarily sadness or like I failed, you know, that I kind of lost it. But I don't. But it wasn't like a sob. Like I've never sobbed. They're just sometimes feel like you like. I wonder if you're missing something because you haven't done that. I thought I stored up inside you just completely let it out. Dude, I told you about the time I saw if you guys when's the last time you've heard a grown man actually like cry cry like when's the last time you heard that 22 years old somewhere on there. I don't know. I think I heard it and I ran away. It's a it's a it's a weird thing to hear. It's like, yeah, because you're not used to it. And I feel like when a man loses it in that direction, then it's like because I heard it. Dude, there was a guy that worked for in my facility who he was going through some really terrible shit with his wife and one of the female trainers one goes up to him and she's his friend and she starts hugging him and and you can see him kind of like he's really sad. So his arms right aside. He won't even like put his arms around her and she keeps rubbing his back and she's like, listen, it's okay. You can like you can let it out. It's okay. Oh, she Robin Williams dude. And then he went totally. It's not your fault. And then you see his face changed like he starts crying quietly. But then he started like starts the lip like kind of quivering. Then he started the it was really like, oh no, not bubbles what do you do? That's the only time I've cries like when somebody somebody is like really crying like and I'm just like sitting there and then it like starts to affect me like it's contagious or something. I just can't help it bad. Like I just I feel energy from other people more than like, I don't think to do it, but like somebody can affect me like that like easy. That's the the mark of a good of a natural communicator. So there's there's there are neurons in the brain called mirror neurons. Have you heard of these? So if I if I'm have if I'm doing something, let's say I have an emotion, my own original emotion, or I do a movement or I throw a basketball or something like that, there's neurons that fire that pattern that show that I'm doing that. Now, if I watch someone else doing that exact same thing, those neurons still fire. The only difference is I'm not getting the physical feedback from my body from actually performing it. So when you're watching someone have an emotion, smiles, cry, whatever, your mirror neurons go off. And that that literally tell you that you're experiencing the same thing. That's how social. Yeah, humans. That's why we're so interconnected. That's why that's a whole body language. Dude, that's why we're picking up on it. When you see when you see people that are great communicators, not only can they communicate verbally, but also they're animated and they smile through that's such an important piece to communication. The most important part of communication is not speaking. It's listening. And listening is not just hearing the words. It's actually feeling what the person is trying to convey. Here's the deal. Being engaged. Here's the thing. If you're trying to communicate to somebody and you fully grasp and understand what they're trying to communicate and their emotional state behind their communication, now you know how to reply and communicate back to them. If you don't understand that, it's impossible. You're guessing at best. At best, you're guessing. And you can be a good salesperson and sell your idea or whatever, or at least animate it and make it really charismatic or whatever. But if you don't fully understand the other person, then you're kind of guessing and you're really playing with half power or not even. So listen, I remember learning that as a salesperson. One of the most impactful lessons I ever learned was early on in my career at Fitness. I was really effective at selling training right out of the gates. But I remember sitting next to, at the time, one of my mentors, who had been doing it a little longer than me, and he was also very, very good. And he was doing the process or whatever. And me and him were talking to a potential customer together. And after the customer left, he looked at me and he said, use your ears and your mouth in proportion. I said, what does that mean? He goes, listen twice as much as you talk. Many times when you listen, you're going to get everything you need to be a much more effective communicator. And I was like, that's weird. I don't know if that makes sense or not. But I just started doing it. And I started realizing, oh, shit, I'm way better when I listen more than I talk. And that's really what it amounts to. Part of the sales process that I used to teach trainers was to, if someone to answer a question, before even trying to think of money and sales and converting things like that, learn to be an active listener. Learn to engage in the conversation. And so when you ask a question, don't just stay right there. Go three more questions within that question. You know what I'm saying? If I ask you something very basic, like Sal, what's your goal? And you say, fat loss. Right, I got to dig deeper into that. Yeah, how do you mean? Right, yeah. How much? Right. Yeah, exactly. All those different things. And when you do that, it does. It makes that other person feel like you're engaged in the conversation. By the way, how do you mean is a magical statement in communication? Right. If you want someone to go deeper, all you got to say is, how do you mean? For whatever reason, it is not a fan. If I say, what do you mean? Sometimes it's a little abrasive. Like, if you're explaining something, like, what do you mean? You know, it's like people feel accused. But if I say, how do you mean? It comes across very much like I'm trying to understand you. And boy, do people open up. There was another technique that I've really started to utilize recently that I learned from Jordan Peterson, who's obviously, he's a psychologist. And so when a very, very good psychologist teaches you how to listen or talks about listening to people, that's a good time to pay attention because that's what they do. That's what their job is, especially if they're good. So one thing that he said that was, I was like, oh, that's fucking brilliant, is when someone's explaining something to you, repeat it back to them. So if you're explaining something to me, then I'll say, OK, let me see if I understand what you're saying. What you're saying is, and try to distill what they're saying into something that's understandable. Now, that sounds easy, but it's actually quite difficult because you'll go back and forth many times. Many times because you either didn't understand them or because the person communicating is thinking out as they're talking. They're trying to formulate what they're trying to express themselves. But when you can distill it down to what they mean and you both agree after you've communicated it, now you can communicate your point extremely effectively. I heard him, I read that when he wrote that. And I was like, well, that's fucking brilliant. And I've actually used it a couple times. And I've gotten a couple. Well, that takes good communication with both parties because you can do that. And then a lot of times people's egos, if they don't understand what you're saying, but then they just immediately agree with what you're saying because they don't really, they feel like afraid to say, well, I don't necessarily understand what you just said there. Like, can we talk about that a little bit more? Well, that's what makes humans so dynamic and remarkable and especially in our growth and how fast we evolve our thought process and the way we live and things tend to get much, much better in most metrics is that our ability to communicate with each other. And that extends to writing things down and storing them. So now we have stored knowledge that we can add upon. And it also comes to, I mean, the better animals can communicate, the more social they become, the larger their society's become. This is true for all animals, whether you look at chimpanzees or dolphins or humans who are the greatest communicators in the world, our ability to be able to convey ideas. We're number one. Yeah, our ability to convey ideas. Are we though? Are we? I mean, that's what we think. I mean, how do we know that? Our octopuses, you know, like having deep conversations. Right. And they don't even need to be near each other. We're just tingly suckers. Well, here's the part that they lack because they do communicate pretty well for some things. I agree with you. I'm just fucking with you there. You gotta think about that a little bit. Well, colonies communicate in incredibly remarkable way so that they all work as one unit and you get what's called high-line. I mean, the jellyfish lives forever, so I feel like maybe they got something that we know. Or bees. Yeah, but that's almost like, on a chemical level. Well, that's what I'm saying. It's just a form of communication, right? But here's the difference between that. The difference between us and other animals like ants or whatever, because they do have, in some respects, incredible communication, is that humans have the ability to store knowledge and then to add on to it. So ants haven't evolved in their processes that much in millions and millions of years, whereas humans have this hockey stick of evolution where not a lot changed for a long time. There were some advances that much, but then when we got the ability to store information, it was like now we explode in our ability to grow and evolve where we can become more and more specialized as a result. So yeah, so I find communication fascinating and I think the better you can do it as a person, the more effective you'll be in your whole life, everything, relationships, your job. I don't care what work do you do. Are you kidding? That's an important aspect of it. I mean, I think it's, I tell everyone, I don't care what fucking job you have, that has to be one of the most important things that you can learn to do for sure. I think that should be taught at very young age all the way through school. That should be like a staple class, the way we've treated some other classes that I think are pretty useless. Absolutely, absolutely. And I think that rules should be established or at least people should understand how a good argument or a good debate is made so that we don't get so caught up in the, you know, like here's a simple, silly, simple example. It would solve a lot of people's problems when they're trying to argue or debate with someone. If I'm having an argument with Justin over a specific topic and Justin does a, you know, he creates a straw man for me to focus on, we've lost the central focus of the conversation so no progress can be made because now we're sidetracked with all these different straw men that really don't have anything to do with the topic at hand. You gotta explain what straw man is for people that don't know what straw man is. So a straw man would be just creating a separate argument that really has nothing to do with, so for example, if I say to you, you know, well, you know, Trump has made a bad decision on foreign policy, you know, and I'm a liberal, right? Trump made a bad decision on foreign policy and then you come at me, you'd be like, well, Obama made the same decision. What the fuck does that have to do with what I just said? Other than, now we're gonna argue who's- It's like a diversion tactic. It's really, it has nothing to do with what we're discussing at all. It's just, it's distracting me from what we're talking about. There's a lot of different ways of debating- A more extreme version with that, maybe someone attacking you personally. Either, and that's called something else. I forgot what that's called, but there's a lot of terminology and just knowing how to debate and discuss it, like let's focus on the topic at hand, let's discuss this, and you're right, attacking someone personally also is another kind of not fair and not really effective- You know, it's interesting, you guys are talking about like school, like I remember in college, we actually had a class where we would have a panel, like basically our project was to argue and debate a point that they would just assign you. And so a lot of times you got the one that, like you didn't agree with necessarily, but you had to kind of build up your case and you had to like write all these points out and make sure that it was a powerful case that you're presenting against the counter argument. And I remember getting one for, I had to like argue for having nuclear power and nuclear warheads. So I had to like argue and basically, obviously my argument was really just that we got to this certain level, so that way now we've prevented wars because with nuclear warheads, it's like a deterrent. It's like the ultimate, basically we all go down, right? So, but anyways, it's just like, it was interesting because it gets people to think in a different direction and it forces them. No, it's a good practice right away to learn to argue the opposite side. Are you kidding? That's all, I do that all day long, I love it. It teaches you empathy when someone else is debating you about a topic. The first thing, I think there's a mistake a lot of people make when they get into debates or conversation is their thinking of their next point versus trying to actually listen to the other person and understand where they're coming from. That's right. And so doing stuff like that helps you understand where somebody else could be coming from because you've actually had to think, okay, if I had to argue and defend this, what are all the angles or ways I had to think? That helps you have empathy for that person who's now debating that on that side. I think it's such an important skill. Well, I mean, here's a deal when it comes to, you know, I forgot where I was going with this. You said empathy for someone, I totally forgot. No, it is, it's just super important that people learn to do that. Okay, that's a skill set that, I mean, I feel like I've been practicing for a very, very long time. Oh, here's where I was going to go, if you don't mind me interrupting you. You just put a Justin right there. Yeah, I know, I just did a Justin right there. What happened? We hung out too much last night. I'm affecting you just like you're affecting my gut. Here's the deal, if you're so afraid of being wrong that you avoid looking at the other side, because you almost don't want to know. You just want to be right so bad that you don't want to know. But the reality is, do you want to be right in the sense that you have the right answer or do you just want to win is my point? Yeah. So if you want to truly be right, you have to study and examine the opposite side with as much detail and as much dedication as to the side you subscribe to. You have to critically think your way through that. And one of two things is going to happen. One is you're going to realize that you're wrong, but that's great because that means you're no longer wrong. So that's awesome. But people are afraid of that because then all of a sudden it's like, oh, I've been wrong this whole time and that's too painful. It's more painful to continue to being wrong. So just realize that. And the second thing is if you study the other side and you realize that you're still right, you've only strengthened your position even further. You know what I'm saying? So you're just getting more evidence by being as open, as honest and possible. I do that shit. If I'm debating someone on economics, I tell you something right now, nine out of 10 times, I can argue their side better than they can and I can still overcome it, but I can still argue their side better. And you see a lot of the same arguments circulating over and over again because people haven't realized that, because it worked on people who didn't know their side. Once you start to debate a side and you start to realize, oh, that's not actually, that's a poor argument. Then you start to strengthen your own. So it's very important that you do that. Yeah, for sure. Very, very important. Did you guys see Russia's announcements on their nuclear, their new nuclear? No, speaking of nuclear. Right? That would have been a much better transition. Why didn't you do that? I set you up perfectly. Yeah, he was talking about nuclear. Why wouldn't you start right there instead of forgetting your kind of thought? Nuclear. One of these times, Sal. One of these times. Yeah, nuclear. Isn't that what it is? It'll be smooth. So Russia has got, apparently Putin came out and talked about their new nuclear capabilities, their new weapons that they have. Awesome. Yeah, exactly. That's scary at all. So one of his ICBMs is called the Satan II. I don't know if you guys know that. That's the nickname for it. Get the fuck out of here. No joke. Wow. So it's an ICBM. Those are intercontinental ballistic missiles. That means that they can launch them from Russia and they'll hit any country or anywhere in the world, right? And we've had these for a long time. These have been around since the 19... Yeah, but we got the Patriot Miss. 70s and 80s, right? Well, here's the deal. They've designed one that flies at hypersonic speeds in strange maneuvers that now they're showing examples and American strategists are saying, oh yeah, that would be almost impossible to shoot down with our current capabilities. So there's that. So that came out. He also has a sub that is autonomous. So it's a total self-driving sub. It's a nuclear sub that's nuclear powered. In other words, this thing goes underwater and can be out in the ocean for like a hundred years or more and park itself. What? Park itself somewhere in the ocean. So it could be in the ocean. It could sit there, turn itself off or run at low, whatever, nuclear powered and chill in case some shit goes down. So they've got one of those, which I'm sure those have been around for a while. I'm sure we probably have those too. And then there's also a nuclear powered cruise missile. So this is a missile that goes up into space probably and can just circle the globe forever with a nuke on it. Straight up peacocking right now. So essentially, this is just ensuring mutual destruction. Oh, that's all it's doing. It's just keeping the balance on the force, I guess. He's trying to put his chips out there like, boom. This is what I got. Dude, it's gotta end at one point though, right? Like, how do you get more powerful in that sense, right? I don't understand where it is. There's nothing. We'll have a death rate. I can now blow the world up seven times over. I mean, is that what? There's nothing. I think the biggest advantage would be if somebody invented a way to completely neutralize all incoming missiles. That would be a huge power shift. But other than that, I, you know, here's the thing. Like a lot of people don't realize this. If the Soviet Union and the US didn't have nukes when the Cold War was going on, we would have gone to war for sure. 100% we would have gone to war. We almost went to war with nukes, you know, several times. People don't realize how close we came to, you know, mutually assured self-destruction, you know, both sides on all sides, right? But we didn't because of that. It was like the biggest deterrent. That's why Pakistan and India don't go to wars because they've got nukes pointed at each other. And it's like, who's gonna pull the trigger first? It doesn't matter. Everybody dies. It'd be like, it would be like pouring poison into everyone's water, including the water that I'm gonna drink to kill you. You know, wouldn't make any sense. The only time this fear that, so I have no worries about this with Russia or other countries. Only time I have, I worry about something like that is if religious fanaticism gets their hold on nukes. Because they believe so much in, like they're willing to kill themselves. Anyway, so that would be a way. Like, you know what I mean? So if a suicide bomber mentality got their hands on a nuke, then that's what they want. They want mutual destruction. They're gonna launch a nuke just so that they know everybody else is gonna nuke each other. So what was that quote? I don't think I've said it on the show yet. What was it? Einstein, I think he said it. He says, I don't know what World War III will be fought with, but I know that World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. It's a fucked up quote, man. Fucked up quote. Yeah, so it's funny how Russia is still trying to stay relevant, you know? Yeah, you're right. And I think it really is. It's just peacocking, you know? But yeah, the extremists, the people that like have no disregard, for being rational and logical in, they think like it's this higher purpose to do something and it's this higher call and it's this belief system that supersedes all the rest of humanity. That's some scary shit. Dude, you know what it highlights to me is it shows that humans are, we are driven by a basic operating system and that operating system is not your instincts. It's not something you're born with. It's an operating system that you plug in and it's your belief system. So when people look at people like that who are willing to kill themselves or who do crazy shit or cannibalism which exists still in parts of the world or just insane stuff. That's crazy. You think to yourself like, how could people even think that way? Well, it's because it's their belief system. So that's why it's so important to push for ideals. That's why there's a, you know, being inclusive and letting everybody speak their mind is important, but it's super important that you also speak your mind and there's a battle of ideas going on because if someone sells their bad idea better, people start using that operating system. People start doing some crazy shit, you know what I mean? So that's why I'm always like, you gotta kinda look out for that. Speaking of crazy shit. Yeah, looking out for that. Speaking of crazy shit. I see you like that. That's a good transition. It's a better transition right there. People, you know what the latest trend is? So this was interesting. I know some people that have actually tattooed their finger to, you know, for if they're getting married and they wanna have rings. Yeah, tattoo a ring on your finger? Not the actual ring. She just wants it married. Yeah, something that represents it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's tattoo on your head. That's a mess. She says married. That's a little unavailable. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Repelent, you know what I mean? Yeah, no, so I guess the new trend, I had no idea this even existed, but the new trend is to pierce your finger with- Yeah, so- What the fuck? I wanna show you guys, I wish we had in the studio we'd have the TV and Doug could kind of pull it up for you guys, but like they literally pierced through flesh, like through the meat of your finger, and then it interweaves in through like the top part. And some people put a stone right here, and it like, yeah, it's like all in, and think about that getting infected. You are going to work, like you obviously don't do a lot of shit with your hands. Right. I think- Oh, it's just like those studs. Look, oh, look at this. Okay, I get it. Yeah. Oh, gross. You know what, dude? Yeah, it's just fucking weird. You know what's gonna happen? There's gonna be at some point, the cool thing is gonna be have no piercings, no tattoos. Oh, I think so too. Yeah. I wonder if- I know it's already moving in that direction. I wonder if like when we get old, our kids are like- You're so lame, dad. Yeah, yeah. You're a fucking tattoo. You're a dork. Yeah. You know, people, oh man. Cool tattoo, dad. Yeah, yeah. The only reason why- I'm into clean. The only reason why it may have, it may hang around there is for the, especially if you have art that means something to you, that it's just like the fashion thing, right? It's a way to, it's another way to express yourself. So I think it- Well, the trendy- I definitely think the piercing and just putting holes in your body all over the place. So I don't think tattoo, well, maybe here's what I, so here's what I'm observing. Maybe you guys disagree with me because I'm speculating here, but what it looks to be, what it seems like with the trends of, we'll talk about tattoos for a second. The trends of tattoos so far seem to be where you put the tattoo. And there's been a few trends of types of tattoos. Like there was the Chinese writing for a while, there was the barbed wire for a while, there was, you know, the wings on the back or the garter belt thing around the leg. Like I can name a bunch of them that. The tribal, you know, design. But- You're just gonna graze right over your dolphin tattoo, huh? Yeah, yeah. No, that's not in style. Not for men, at least. I'm the only guy that has a dolphin tattoo on it. Yeah. But, so, but mainly what I see with the trending with tattoos is places on the body. So like, at first it's cool to put it on your ankle, low back, you know, stomach, neck, wherever. So we're just picking different areas. The next place is probably the, not the mid-back, lower back or upper back, I'm starting to see mid-back. Ribs are starting to come coming out of style now. I'll tell you where. Neck and face tattoos are perfect. Yeah, neck's been real popular for some reason. I think it's because like the more extreme, right? Yeah. And so you go from the neck on the side but now it's throat. So a lot of people are getting it on the throat, like right underneath the chin, face, head, which I'm like, wow, that's gnarly. Yeah. So I feel like that you- Eyes. So I feel like- People tattoo their retina. Yeah, so what in the fuck? It feels to me like tattoos won't go out of style until all the spots have been gone out of style. Like until everything's gone out, then you're gonna see people be like, oh, I don't have any. And by that time, I think we'll be able to do this thing where we'll be able to, you know, I'll be able to hit a button or hit software that goes, I get it like as a cool, like a tribal sleeve thing. It's almost like on a wall. You know, they change the color of their suit but you just change like your dragon tattoo into a- That would be sick, right? So you're inked up one day and the next day you're totally not. Oh my God, that would be crazy. Come on. That'd be pretty cool if they could- It's like second life or whatever that game is, you know, where you just like have your own avatar and you just change yourself all the time. Change your skin color. Well, you've already- Oh, shit, I need to take that. You already see those ones that people do all the time now that like Hannah tattoos or whatever they did that last like a couple of weeks. I mean, just think of that process sped up, you know, and better technology where maybe I can just put my arm in a arm or whatever place you want tattooed. Dude, that's a weird idea. Dude, so another trend I wanna go over, which is in our space of fitness, there seems to be now because more and more studies are supporting what we've been saying for a while now, since day one, that frequency is a major contributor to muscle growth and adaptation. So another study came out where they compared two groups of people, one group training a body part once a week, the other group training a body part six days a week. The six day a week group experienced same results or better, so it was actually slightly better. And now I think of course you can go overboard with too much intensity with frequency, right? Cause I looked at the study and I think they were going to failure every day, which is like, that's crazy. But they still got great results. Here's what a lot of these frequency studies are showing, which, well, you guys know which option people might not realize this, but more frequency of training results in less muscle soreness, 100%, 100%. Which may be why a lot of people still feel like bro splits or the super once a week high volume workouts because they get sore. Cause that's their indication of good workout and then that means I'm building. That's right. No muscle damage is not- I 100% think that, cause I know guys that met me that saw that I was training like our maps, like when we were competing and they would try and do it and they would only stick to it for a couple of weeks and they were like, they would freak out because they're not sore. They're not getting as sore as they were getting before. They were hammering everything for one day. And I was just like, no dude, that's just- That's better. I know. Let me explain something to you. The less soreness you get, like you want to manage that. Too much soreness is terrible. I remember the first like, it was one of my- Was that a mind blowing thing to remember? Yeah. It was a certification I was going through. I wish I remember which one it was, but I was talking to the guy who was teaching the course afterwards and we're talking about that. And he said that to me and it just was like, I did doubt my whole career, I thought the opposite. If I train a body part once a week, I'm going to get sore every time. If I train a body part three or four days a week, I'll almost never get sore. Never. And I can really start to, I mean, there's a point where I even start to push intensity and I just don't get sore. God, I still hear that like, oh my God, I got so sore but in a good way. Yeah. I always like throw that one in like right after it. You're like, oh yeah, yeah. Especially if they know of Mind Pump because they know we talked about it. But in a good way. There's a good sore. Yeah. Gotcha. No man, frequency is super important. This is why like, so people who follow like, for example, maps, anabolic with the trigger sessions, and you know, we have the three foundational workouts and then the other trigger session days, right? People who follow it to a tee are always blown the fuck away. And it's basically because you are literally maintaining a muscle, an adaptation signal every single day. The biggest, one of the biggest reasons why you're not building muscle like you want to is because you are simply not having an adaptation signal that's active or high all the time. In fact, if you're not building anything and you're maintaining or whatever, it means you're building and losing at the same speed. So, because remember, muscles don't really maintain. They build or they shrink, right? So gain or lose. So what that literally means is you are gaining and losing equal parts throughout the entire week. So you have as many days that are adaptation in the positive as days that are adaptation in the negative, because they're both adaptation, right? Losing and gaining muscle. So all you have to do is move it in the favor of more often adaptation in the positive. That's all you're trying to do with your resistance training and frequency is a very easy way to do that. And so when you throw in that free, so even if you do a body part split because you can still do a split and just organize it right, you just bump up the frequency, train your body parts more frequently. It makes a huge and more and more studies keep coming out and I'm seeing all these, bodybuilding publications. Here's the thing, how long do you think it'll take before pro bodybuilders start doing this? I think some of them, I think some do. They're starting to already mess with it, right? It'll become a little more popular, I'm sure. Well, and here's the thing though. And so, and I remember when I got, and this is what we have coming down the road is more reflective, I think of what I was at at the peak of my competing, where it's a split but it doesn't look like a split. You know what I'm saying? You're still hitting three muscle groups a lot of times in a day, you know what I'm saying? So, and so you're able to- And you're still hitting frequent times a week. Yeah, so I think a lot of guys built off of a split. I think if they realized that if they were to just go to a full body for a little while, they'd benefit from it. But I even think that some of these, most of the guys that are at the pro level, their split doesn't look like the average gym goer that's trying to make a split work either. Not to mention all the other things that come into the factor too. I honestly think a big, just a huge part of it is that adaptation signal that you get from resistance training in some people and a very small percentage of people and pro bodybuilders definitely make up a tiny, tiny fraction of the normal population in terms of this is that they just have an adaptation signal that just fucking stays on. You know, or if I go lift weights and I do a really good job, maybe that adaptation and I'm experienced, right? So the more experienced you are, the shorter that adaptation signal stays on, by the way. So if you're a beginner and you lift weights, your body's gonna adapt in the positive, probably over 48 to 72 hour period. Some studies show that if you're super experienced, that period is like 16 to 24 hours. Like you're not hitting it some way, maybe at a much lower intensity like a trigger session. I read a study one time that said that after recovery from a muscle, so if you hit it and it gets sore and once it recovers within 72 hours, the atrophy begins. Yeah, could. But see, here's the thing. Now obviously I know that there's tons of variables that go into that, but I remember reading that study, that was the first time that kind of switch for frequency went off for me, it was like. Well here, look at it this way, like when you train less frequently, you're causing more muscle damage as evidenced by the soreness that you get, right? That means that you're recovering more and adapting less. If you can figure out a way to reduce the damage, but still send a muscle building signal and send it more frequently, now you're adapting more than you're recovering, which is why frequency is so such a powerful force. And the more experienced you are, the more frequent you need because that adaptation signal doesn't stay on very long, but I suspect when you have somebody who's just a fucking genetic freak when it comes to this, that they'll lift weights and that shit just stays on, like three, four times longer than the average person. That's what I think that's happening, that they just, they don't have to do nearly as frequent. That and they assimilate food better. And of course they're on anabolic. Right, yeah, I definitely think there's exceptions to that rule, that there's a lot of that where you see guys that have been very successful with building their physique because it's what works really well for them. I mean, it was the number one thing that I thought was the biggest problem was, I'm not, it's hard to knock a guy who's a pro who's done this to his physique over and over and over. So in people's minds are watching that, it's like, oh, this trainer's smart, but this guy's done it. I've seen him do it time over time again. But what they don't realize is that he's mastered his own body, doesn't mean he really understands. And his body's so far away from yours because of those genes. Correlate to you at all. Because of those genetics, you know? So it's just one of those, it's just cool to see, because I remember talking about this three years ago on Mime Pump and people were blown away by what we were saying, and actually a lot of people were arguing and debating it and saying it's wrong. And it's really cool now to see that it is becoming, it's not the message yet, but it's becoming part of the discussion. You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of when we first started talking about small meals and now it's pretty well established. Now if you talk to a relatively informed fitness enthusiast, they'll know that the small meals things is a myth. Whereas three years ago they didn't. Today when you talk about training more frequently, it's starting to get to that point where people are like, oh yeah, if you hit the body parts more frequently, and don't go to failure as often, it's probably better for you. So it's really cool to see that it's moving in that direction. I mean the first times I was clued into that were, did you guys ever experience something when you were a kid where you did something, well I'll see, maybe not, because you guys weren't lifting weights until much later. I was starting to, so I was lifting weights of 14 trying to build muscle. And I remember when I was 14 trying to build and I was trying to get bigger arms, trying to get bigger arms, and it was really slow and took a long time. And then there was a period of time where I was like, I had a BMX bike and I was practicing bunny hopping, which requires you to pull up on the handlebars. And especially if you're not proficient at it, you pull really fucking hard, because that's what you think does the bunny hop, right, so you just rip it. And I remember for like a week, I would go outside and practice for hours bunny hopping, because that's what you do when you try to learn, you just practice over them. And I used to measure my arms every week, and it was like, I gained a half an inch on my arms that week, and I remember thinking to myself like, was it the bunny hopping that made my arms? It sure fucking was. Then there was when I was 15, and I had to wear a knee brace, so I had to walk with one leg straight all the time, which meant that, so my left leg was straight all the time, but I could still walk, but it required me to push off really hard with my left foot. So I was just walking like that all the time. Now at the time, I was training my calves, my calves weren't growing. After doing this for a month, my left calf grew a quarter inch and my right calf didn't. And I was like, was it because I was walking all the time? But I didn't quite put it together, that was that frequency that was doing it, you know what I mean? But the clues were all there. But I think the reason why it is hard for people is we connect so much to that soreness, like Justin said earlier, and they're seeking that. And so when you, and then when you realize real quick, when you switch over from being in this single split to going frequently like three times a week, you can't hammer a muscle like that. You gotta, you can't, if you hammer like that, it's two days later, you're supposed to be back at it, touching it again, so yeah. You're dreading, yeah. Right, so you gotta, you have to learn to really scale back if you're gonna increase frequency and that's really tough for someone to do who's trained themselves to chase the pump, to chase the burn, to chase the soreness. If you're so used to chasing that all the time, trying to make that transition, that's why the people that I see that don't like it or fail from it, it's typically that. And it's hard to tell them that, you know what I'm saying? It's like, they gotta figure that out for themselves. You can help guide them in that direction. Dude, all you gotta do is try it for, I mean, if you're really in tune with your body, try it for two weeks. No joke, two weeks will tell you right away. The first time I, when I switched, within two weeks I was stronger and I knew, but I know my body pretty well. Otherwise, try for 30 days if you're not one of those super in tune people. You have nothing to lose. You really don't, I mean, worst case scenario, it's not as effective if you go back to your old routine. Probably not gonna be that way. Try it out. All right. This Quas brought to you by OrganiFi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition, OrganiFi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic super foods to help give your health a performance the added edge. Try OrganiFi, totally risk-free for 60 days by going to OrganiFi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout. All right. Our first question is from Eddie the coach. Sex. Yes. Oh, sorry. Sorry, that's it. That's it. That's the whole question. Is it needed for optimal health or is it going without better? Oh, good question. Hey, before you answer that, Adam, I don't get excited. Did you pick this one out of no? No, I didn't. I knew Adam was gonna jump on it. I need to ask you a question though that I totally forgot. You've been having trouble sleeping past couple nights and I know I made you drink the fucking tea that you don't like to taste. Did you sleep differently? You know what I think? I think you just like for me to point out all the times that you write about something on the show. That's nice. Of course. I think any chance you get it. First of all, well, I give him the Rashi, the four-sigmatic, right? I put it in the warm. This time I heated it up because he doesn't like He's quippin' a baby. He doesn't like to taste. He's quippin' a baby. It tastes better heated up, right? Yeah, okay. She put a little honey in it. Yeah, yeah, no. It's not awful, you know what I'm saying? It's just, I like tea. It's just not fucking Cytomax or, you know? No. You know? It's definitely not that. It's not purple color though. It's definitely not that. But I did know it does calm me down right before I go to bed and I like that. So it worked. Yeah, it did. And we're not at home. So that's even a bigger thing for me too. Well, I know you always have trouble sleeping outside of, you know, when we travel or whatever. So I wanted to make sure I took care of my boy. Sal the nurture. I appreciate that. You take care of me. Well, Doug's taking care of us tonight, right? Oh yeah, I can't wait for that. Doug's whipping up dinner tonight. Doug is an excellent fucking cook. Chef Boyardee. If we ever make a cookbook, it's gonna be a lot of your shit. Well, this last, the last, was it this? We're throwing those Brussels sprout recipe in there. We have to. Well, was it this last thigh box or the one before where Doug ordered his stuff? Cause this is our first time. I think it was about a month ago I ordered a bunch of stuff with the intention that next time we travel, I'm gonna whip up some tasty Thai food. Now, did you get this off of the paleo menu or did you just search Thai ingredients? I just searched the ingredients I needed. So like last night, the intention was to cook a nice Thai dinner with some basil beef and some Penang curry. Penang curry? But. I like how that rolls off your tongue. Hamburgers trumped my dinner. That's cause we got Robert over this one, Steve. Dude. We got Robert with us. He was hungry, so he didn't have time to wait. It was more of a timing thing. It was, truly. So tonight my intention is to make a Thai Penang curry with beef and that includes coconut milk that I got from Thrive Market, some fish sauce that I got from Thrive Market. Nice. Got some nice spices you can throw in there. Yeah, absolutely. And then some basil beef, which is one of my favorites. In fact, I made it for you back when we created Mamps Black over it. Oh yeah. It's a little throwback. Yeah, that was good. That was good. So a lot of these Thai ingredients you can get right over at Thrive Market. Did you buy enough meat because we have the giant with us now? This is a valid guy. I don't know, do you think 15 pounds will do it? Well, it leaves about two for us, so we'll split two pounds. We could all fight for that. Which, by the way, living in a house with an actual giant is very interesting. Oh yeah. Yeah, it totally distorts my perception of how big I am. I've never felt this small. Imagine how I feel. Yeah. I posted a picture of Doug and him next to each other. It's so great. It looks like Doug's child. The last time I felt this small was when I was in Japan and I sat next to Konishiki, which he was like 500 and some pounds, a sumo wrestler. Oh, shit. I have a picture. I have to dig it up someplace. Oh my god, you need to find that. I have these big spectacles on, too, so there it is. You have contacts? I wear contacts at night. I didn't know that. Yeah, I use this thing called ortho-keratology. So are those not your beautiful eyes? Well, these aren't my beautiful eyes. Oh, okay. It's a gorgeous eyes, you know what I'm saying? Well, thank you, Adam. He's got me worried. He's got colored contacts in. Yeah, yeah. No, I actually wear contacts at night and then they change the shape of my eyes and in the morning I take my contacts out and then I can see just fine during the day. Yeah, that's interesting. Did you read the study on that connection to eye cancer? Yeah, I did. I said, hey, forget it. I'm just kidding. Sounds good to you. All right, let's get back to sex, all right? Yeah, I like it. So is it important for health? Is sex important for health? It's in us primal, man. We're supposed to reproduce. Dude, it is part of the relationship. This is something that is important. That's how a lot of times you can express love between your partner. But obviously, it's something that gets kind of distorted because as men, we have this novelty thing that we just keep thinking about. But yeah, it's definitely something that is constantly bringing me close to my partner at the same time, communicating well, all that stuff. It all plays a factor. So it's definitely a big factor. So it's not as clear, at first take, it's not as clear as food and water and air and shelter in terms of how important it is to you because obviously without food, water, you yourself would die. Without sex, you'd stay alive, but this human species would die. So it is a fundamental thing that we have as humans that's extremely important now. It's programmed. We feel that programming that we need to do this. Now, is it important for humans to have sex? Again, it's hard to separate because being healthy physically, emotionally, mentally usually means you have a healthy libido. Actually, no, it does mean you have a healthy libido because that tends to be a part of it. So if you have sex issues, is that bad for your health? I think there's definitely a positive feedback loop, but having bad sex or having bad relationship with sex could also be the result of poor physical health, poor emotional health and poor, maybe even spiritual health. Now that being said, is avoiding sex bad for you? Depends on your belief system and where you're at with it. Right, right. It could be a distraction for you. It could be something that you're addicted to. I mean, I've definitely had friends that are sex addicts and if anything, fasting from that and actually going without for a while is helping them get better connected with themselves and reestablish their own values, right? So I think- You get better dreams. I do think, yeah, you learn to love yourself a lot, right? I think it depends. It really depends on the person. I think generally speaking, if you have a normal relationship sex, you have a normal relationship with your partner and you don't have some weird views on it, I think that absolutely it's a healthy thing that you wanna have. I mean, I know personally for myself and our relationship, it's extremely important. It's definitely, I mean, here's some things that are like anecdotally speaking. I mean, I can tell my attitude and I can tell Katrina's attitude. I don't think ever the next 24 hours of our relationship hasn't been anything but super positivity like right after sex. It blows my, and it's on both sides. It's not just her, it's not just me. It's like, I also am more willing to do- It's like mental clarity. It is. It's well- I can think. All of a sudden you're, it's like you share something with your partner that I don't know if it's this process of you're giving to them on this deeper level because what I notice is, and I catch myself with my own behaviors, but I notice in hers too, where I also proactively go do the dishes. You know what I'm saying, right? You know what I'm saying? Help her with something that she didn't even ask help for. Yeah, and that's, a lot of times I can get so focused on myself and what I'm doing and all the work that I have and she's very self-sufficient so I don't have to worry about her. But after we bond and connect like that, I catch myself being more into that and paying attention to that more. So I mean, again, this is just what I've, and I see that from her too. I mean, anytime that we have that connection, the next day, the next 24, 48 hours, I feel like she's very attentive to my needs. You're more like in tune, yeah, with your- With each other. Right, right. And it's a tough subject to try to quantify when you're talking about like how much sex is healthy, what is healthy sex between two people because we have general averages, but that doesn't necessarily mean, that doesn't mean much for individual couples. It just shows what the average, what average people do. I think the most important thing, if you're talking about sex for a relationship, the most important thing is I think you should both be compatible. And what I mean by that is you could have a very healthy high sex drive, but that would be terrible if your partner has a very healthy, less high sex drive, right? Now there's a bit of a discrepancy there. So if you don't have a lot of sex together, but that's how both of you like it and both of you are just wired that way or whatever and that's healthy for you, then that's great. If you guys have tons of sex, but that could also be dysfunctional by the way. You know, a lot of sex can be a distraction. It could be just based on- Oh, many times is a signal that the relationship is built only on lust. Oh yeah, you could have, that's true. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. And more often than not, when that's the case, it's feeding something else. You know, it's feeding some other insecurity that you have that's driven you to be attracted to that type of person and then that's all you see in the lust. But if you're a healthy individual, your sex drive is typically healthy in the sense that it's not distracting you. So some people, and I think especially men, will attribute a super high sex drive with healthy. And that's only because we've connected lots of sex and high sex drive with being manly and that's what healthy is. And yeah, I like to bang all the time. I got all the, you know, boners all day long or whatever and joke that way. So we think sexual, so yeah. So sometimes sexual compulsion can be, you know, confused for being healthy. Like, no, I'm a healthy man. Like I do, you know, I have sex all the time and I have all this meaningly sex. That's not necessarily healthy either. I think a healthy sex drive is probably not distracting. Like it's not getting in the way of life, but it's healthy enough to where you feel good about it. You feel comfortable with it. And you have good relationship with someone else who or other people or whatever, plural that you have sex with. And that's pretty much it, you know, a really low sex drive. That can be an indicator of poor hormone health for sure. You see this being displayed. So problems with hormones and sex are common. Problems with stress and sex are probably more common. Oh, 100%. And I think sometimes people confuse that with hormones. Well, I mean, I share this all the time on the show that that was something that was a major thing that I connected was realizing that I could be on all these antibiotics and still not have a sex drive. I mean, that was- Cause you're stressed out? Yeah, because of work stuff. And it was so obvious because there would be always something going on, a big decision or we take on a new employee and the revenue wasn't quite there. And so it's like, oh God, all of a sudden I feel the weight of the world on me. And then sex drive is just completely flat. I didn't notice that before my 30s. It wasn't until beyond my 30s that I start to really start to connect that and go like, fuck, this is important, you know? What's interesting about the desire to have sex, of course it's rooted in procreation, but there's a lot more that goes to it. Like for women, sex has been, for thousands of years, has been a form of currency. And I don't think that it's not a conscious thing, although in some cases it is a conscious thing, but in many ways it was, you know, look, female mammals or female human mammals are one of the only mammals on earth that have sex when they're not in heat or at least when they can't get pregnant where most mammals, the majority, the vast majority, of female mammals have sex only when they can get pregnant. Human females can only get pregnant really in a short period, in a short window during the whole month. The rest of the month, their odds of getting pregnant are incredibly small and yet human females have sex throughout their entire, you know, throughout the entire month. And so you, you know, one of the big questions is why? And it's because that's probably one way she kept the man around or at least kept him from, because a man who had children with lots of other women meant his resources were gonna get spread to other women or maybe he'd find one that he preferred over you, which was bad news for you and your child because that was a major responsibility and potential burden for most of human civilization. So women, that was a very strong currency. And what I mean by that is you'll find that sometimes women will get turned on in under certain circumstances, not realizing that's because they're, that's one of the driving factors. For example, makeup sex, very, very, tends to be very aggressive, tends to be very passionate and it tends to be driven by the female. And it's because, you know, instinctually, probably she almost lost her mate, but she wants him, she wants to make sure she keeps him and not realizing that now she's very passionate and it might be driven from there. So it's kind of fascinating to see that the behavior behind sex. I try to reach out, I think a month or two ago to that sex with Emily girl. I thought she'd be a really fun, she'd be a fun one to talk to, especially since we've got a question like this because I love talking to somebody that's all they study, is that? Cause it's, I think it is super fascinating, very interesting. I think there's many variables. I think so many unique. Oh, it's one of the reasons why like, like the behavior of it's so fascinating, like why promiscuity is strongly correlated with like poor relationship with the opposite sex, especially in females. Well, you made a point about how important it is too that you find someone who you are on the same level or I think that's really important because there's a lot that happens to us in our like formative years too, that really shapes us in our sexual behaviors, you know? Even the way you view your mom, dad, I mean, I don't know how much you subscribe to like a lot of the Freudian theories and stuff like that, but there's, it's for sure, it's something that could go all the way back to childhood. So when you're gonna change that person's. Bro, just think of taboo, like imprints you. Humans find, humans find or derive excitement out of taboo and taboo changes. So this is, you guys will love this. I saw an old, someone posted this on some Facebook page, but it was a menu from a brothel from like 150 years ago. I'm gonna give you a schnozwamble. Like an old like brothel menu of prices of sexual acts. Like they'd have a menu like, oh, if I wanna blowjob, if I wanna, you know, if I wanna have intercourse or. What were the names for all the different activities? But the most expensive, but there's those activities again. So let me add, so trip off this, right? Trip off of this. Today, and I have no, obviously this is, and this was based off of that article. And I think it's true by the way people make jokes and stuff, right? Today, if you were to hire a prostitute, the probably the one of the least expensive sexual things you could do with her besides like a manual stimulation, which would be like a hand job would be a blowjob. Like a blowjob would cost less than sex, right? Much less typically. And this is what I read in the article, like the going price for blowjobs and prostitution in legal brothels in Nevada. So if you go to a legal brothel, blowjob is cheaper than sex. On this old menu from 150 years ago, a blowjob was by far the most expensive thing because blowjobs were way more taboo back then. And so it was more valuable. Men wanted them because it was something that women, their partners probably didn't do. Like, oh, my wife doesn't do that. That's only for, you know, whatever, right? Very interesting. So taboo is very fascinating. So the things that we think are taboo, kind of excite us and make us wanna do it more, which is why I think it's super important to have a partner where you and your partner are so safe with each other in the sense that you can express your own potential sexual desires that you don't, that I think will prevent potential problems or perversions or obsessions later on, because if you have a partner who's like, I'm not doing that, or you can't even talk about that sexual thing, forget not doing it, because a lot of people are like, ooh, don't even talk to me about that. You may start to obsess about that thing and it becomes a taboo and a fetish and it costs like sexual issues for you, you know? Kind of interesting, right? No, that's really interesting. It reminds me of what Lisa Bill you just said when we were just hanging out with her about how her and Tom once a week, but this is more towards their selfish pleasure in general speaking, but how important that probably is for a relationship to make sure you express those selfish desires sexually that you have. If you don't do that and you don't communicate to that partner, how long that sits under there. I think it makes it bigger. Oh yeah. You know what I'm saying? Have you ever been with a partner where you're like, oh, this is a little, you know, you're in your mind, right? You're like, okay, this is a little, like I'm gonna express something, let's see how they react. Yeah, thank you very much. Then you say it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why don't you explain that, bros? No, no, no. Come on. Shut up. You really gotta turn your sales hat on, you know? He's like, don't worry. It'll be okay. I like using instruments. Don't worry. We'll come up with a safe word. I know you have a safe word. Okay, it's this size. I know you have a question about all the latex rubber, the mats and the cameras before we get into that. Why is there a viscuit all over the floor? I'll get to that. But anyway, you could, you have a conversation with this person about it and they're super open and safe about it. And then you find that that thing is not really a big deal because you were able to express it versus where you feel like you can't say something. And then it becomes even bigger and bigger in your mind because of that whole taboo factor, you know? So anyway, next question, please. I want anal. Next up is David J. Schroer. Where do you guys see the future of personal training? The future of personal training. Way, way more growth in virtual and online personal training. I hope we're a part of that. Than the growth in personal training in person. I won't be as bold as to say I think the personal training in person market is gonna be flat, but I've definitely seen it slow down its growth. From when it got, when it started exploding in the 90s. I think it's gonna look a lot more like... And I know Bedros will disagree with us on that. Right, but I'll argue this all day. I think it's gonna look more like the way Dr. Brink has started his clinic. I think trainers will have like the same similar type of a clinic set up. For example, where I charge you pretty top dollar to come in and get this full on huge assessment from me to just check every joint in the body, kind of see how you move, go through a full assessment with use and work on your mechanics and then give you all, I mean, then you would lay out a program that's all specific and you would be able to give detailed videos. I mean, once you... And then it's just like little Skype sessions to kind of like check up on you and see how everything's going. I mean, you'll literally have all... I think with this era we're in now where we document everything that we're doing, like a business like ours is when you think about it, when we keep adding to these videos, I mean, look, this is only what, three years in and we've only been doing YouTube. You know what I think. Imagine when you have a very good detailed answer for every question that a client could potentially want. It sounds a lot like, and you mentioned Dr. Brink's facility too, which I think, you know, definitely. But also like Dr. Molly Maloof, the way that she gets all, aggregates all this data and then interprets it for her clients. Like in shows, okay, here's all these biomarkers. Here's what's going on. Here's what we maybe can adjust and tweak. So, you know, the further we get with sensors and the further we get with technology that's relevant, if we're able to kind of then incorporate that into the platform. And so now the coach can just have like, well, your macros were here, you know, your heart rate was, you know, super elevated, you know, in this portion. And like they see like all this data, either real time or at least they can kind of go back and see like what was going on with your body throughout the workout process. And then how to tweak. I think we're going to see less of coaches and personal trainers telling people exactly what to do and more a bit of a growth in coaches and personal trainers who are going to teach people how to read all these new devices and things. Think about what? Identify, you know, individualize their own programming. I mean, talking about the GSMs, the Glucose, the continuous, excuse me, CGMs, Continual Glucose Monitors. I mean, talk about being able to read your own individual reaction to what you're eating in real time, that is usually the most effective one. We're going to be able to deliver every answer you could potentially need to progress your body and find your answers out with it instantaneously into your fingers. And this is why. Because that's the beginning. The CGMs are the beginning. I watched my own evolution as a trainer. It's going to be huge. And it wasn't until just this last couple of years did I get to the point where it's crazy. My job, I was doing less. I was doing less for my people and I was getting more results. Because what do we all know? We know that the client that you that asks you, Sal, write me down a workout and a diet and you write it down and I'm going to follow. I don't want to learn. That person never sees the answer. Never, never, ever, ever, ever, ever. 100% of the time that person, the people that do see it or keep it going are the ones that actually kind of fall in love with the learning process that look like, oh, wow, you help connect dots for them and then they become passionate about it. So what I'm thinking is that the future is definitely just helping people connect those dots faster and more efficiently like tools like that. And it's going to be less of a journey. There's nothing. It's not going to require much of your skill. There's nothing wrong with having a set out plan for you that's designed by a professional, even nutritionally. The problem is when the coaching stops there, like you need to know the whys behind what they are and then start to pay attention and see how you're reacting to, because here's what a good trainer can do. A really, really good trainer can take all their knowledge and experience and can give you the best guess as to what's probably going to work best for you. And it is by far the best guess and it's going to be in the general correct direction for the most part. But if the trainer stops there, they've done 20% of their job. The other 80% is now how do we take that and start to tailor it and identify signals in your body and move in the right direction to where now you have the routine. Think about it this way. You have a continual glucose monitor, right? Imagine if you had a monitor which I'm sure they can somehow create this because we already know we can measure this. It's just the equipment required isn't something that you can have on and you can monitor right away. That technology hasn't been invented. But at some point, what if you can measure your adaptation signal? Oh, muscle protein synthesis is going up. Oh, look, I peaked shit. It's starting to come down. Let me go do this exercise or whatever. Now you're literally training your body based off of objective measurements in real time. For sure, the future is gonna look a lot more like that. The sensors with shirts, it seems a little bit silly right now at this point. But we're talking about the future. So I mentioned with the cardio threshold, how they're measuring that with the chest expansion and stuff like that. It's like, this is all happening without you having to really do anything other than wear a shirt and then you're getting that data. So now somebody can interpret that and be like, listen, at this pace is what you wanna keep consistent to be able to make this time. And it's very accurate that it's probably gonna play out that. We are five to 10 years away from, and I think it's closer to five, away from a device that's non-invasive that measures your insulin reaction and maybe some other parameters. But for now we know insulin. You put it on and you eat normally like you normally do. And all it does is aggregate data. All you have to do is enter in what you're eating every time you eat it. So I'm eating four ounces of cheese. I'm eating a handful of peanuts. That's all you have to do. That particular device will measure the metrics with what you've entered and after wearing it for a period of a week to a month, it will tell you what your macros need to be. It will tell you what foods to avoid, which ones that you should eat based off of what it was measuring, based off of its own observation. Who do you think it figures it out first? You think Apple? You think Apple does it for us? I think, I don't think they created it. I think they would buy it. There's obviously gonna be steps in its faces of it. I don't think they're serious enough about health yet. I'm yet to see it. I know they've built parts like the health kit and things like that that they can kind of get all of your devices to kind of aggregate, but there's gonna be one side that creates the chip and stuff like that that has the ability to read all the stuff. The next, the other part is gonna be the platform that uploads and reads it. That's where I think Apple is. Okay, no, I take it back because you know why? Guaranteed between their Apple Watch, like that'll be the first introduction and they're gonna put the continual glucose monitor in the watch because it just makes sense. That would be money. So the data that they're gonna get from that is gonna be so powerful. But bro, just imagine like you wake up in the morning and you look at your app or whatever because of this monitor that's on you and it says to you like, well, based off of the parameters or whatever today, this is you should eat a high-fat breakfast. You shouldn't have too many carbohydrates and avoid these kinds of foods and, oh my God, like that's your diet every day. You just look at it and it tells you what to do and you follow it and because it's measuring your individual body, like you're gonna learn a lot, you're gonna start connecting dots. In fact, I think it probably would be helpful. You know what our trainer job may end up being more like? It may end up evolving to like teaching people how to become intuitive with all these tools. Knowing when to not be dependent on all these tools. Well, that's it. Because it's gonna revolutionize how we can all help ourselves get healthy and shape with all these markers and feedback. But then they mean neurotic about it. Right, well, then it's just like us with directions, right? I rely on Google Map Quest. I would be fucked if my phone went down and I had to get to where this house where we're at right now, right? I would have to go find a map. You know how hard it would be for me to go to a gas station, find a map and then try and figure out where, without the use of my phone. I'll find it in my calculator to do. Like solve math equations and be fucked. And I think because we're talking about ourselves that we're so disconnected from because we're gonna be plugged into this. Part of our job I think will be teaching people how to distill that information. God, just imagine if they had that for exercise though, you know what I mean? Oh, well based off of these measurements, squats of the eight rep range are benefiting you the most right now or some shit like that. Gems are just gonna be completely littered with sensors everywhere. There's just gonna be sensors on everything. Because whatever you pick up, it's gonna know how much weight it is, how many reps you're doing, all that shit. It's all gonna be on. You're gonna have old timers like us who are like, give me the fucking iron and the chalk. I don't want no electronics in it. Yeah, but those will have electronics in it anyway. It'll be interesting to what, how much easier it makes it for people to get in shape. Like if you just cause you have that feedback, like how did I, I mean, a lot of people are just unaware and they have no desire to become aware. But if you had something that was buzzing on you that just said, like you said, Sal, like you should eat something with this, between these calories right now. It's only gonna be useful with a coach that interprets all that for you. You know, like I feel like it'll get lost with like your everyday person. It can be. They don't know how to use it. They're just gonna be like, yeah. So the future of trainers is being aware of this and then knowing how you fit into that. Yeah. Right, because as these things come out, there's gonna be somebody like you said who's gonna need to be able to explain this to them and teach them how to be practical. I think the sooner you, if you're a personal trainer, the sooner you realize that your job is to change how your clients think, change how they process nutrition, how they think about food, how they think about exercise and the sooner you realize that, you know, teaching them how to listen to their body is the most important thing, the more money you'll be able to make and the more value you're gonna provide to your clients. If you believe that you are the person that just tells them what to do and I gotta motivate them by getting them excited and hyped, you stay on that train, you're gonna be, you're gonna have a tough time making a living. Oh dude, I think that's when we're finally gonna see all that bullshit die, dude. It's coming to an end real quick. I think so. With all the hype and motivation. I think so. I think it's gonna make anybody results. It's all short-term results. And the quality of trainers. The quality of trainers has slowly gotten better as the market's gotten more competitive. I do believe that. And I think they're gonna keep having to get better as with all this technology and stuff that's coming out because a lot of the stuff's gonna be able to do what the average trainer did 10 years ago, you know what I'm saying? Like, well, I don't need you to do that for me. I can get all this online. Like, I don't need that stuff. Well, look how cool it is even being for us for even consuming knowledge and information. I mean, just 15 years ago, when I was trying to learn, I was picking up certifications and reading textbooks where, I mean, you fast forward to now, it's so easy to, there's a lot of really good dudes on YouTube. There's a lot of really good dudes. Bro, I read a study the day after it's released now. Right. And I read it myself. Whereas before, it would be an article about it that come out, you know, months later. Get away for a magazine subscription that dropped off. And only if it fed into their narrative would they even publish it. Right. I mean, the ability to get information now is. So I think that's gonna be vastly, it'll be very different in that sense, but trainers are still gonna be, you still got to be a very good people need filters. I think something that drama said on our podcast is such an important thing. And I wish I remembered exactly what he gave as an analogy for each one, but is just like the way the future is going where, you know, business cards are dead. And now that's like your Instagram is now your business card. Your email is your ability to advertise to your, all these pieces that are now, same stuff that was 100 years ago, it's just a different means of getting that information. Well, for sure now to a successful trainer, for sure needs to have a decent understanding of social media. That was, that's very different from when I was training people even five years ago, six years ago, it wasn't that big of a deal. But today, you know, it'd be like, it'd be like a trainer 10, 15 years ago who didn't have a business card. Like what are you doing without a business card? Lost in the dust. Well, where I think it's tough is if you're a trainer that's working inside of a facility and maybe you think that you're gonna stay, that's what happens. That's the thing. Yeah, you're in a little bubble and you think you don't need to. No, man, start setting it up now because you're gonna need it. Right, I agree. And maybe they'll come up with hologram trainers. Did you guys see it? Who put the car that has the hologram in it already? Did you see that? Uh-uh. You didn't see that? So you know how like where, you know, Tesla has the computer screener? It's all hologram and you can like literally, it's like all the icons are floating and you can just take your finger like this and it's like, oh, it looks dope. That's totally a thing that a guy would want us to show off to a chick. It's like, hello, yeah. What kind of car do you drive? Ask that that big of a deal. Psst. You know. You can do that. Oh, no big deal. Go ahead, stick your hand in it. Yeah, it dances sometimes, you know. All right, next question is from Claire DeLune555. What are your thoughts on necessary nutrition for children and the best way to teach them about eating healthy, especially when eating away from home? Growing up, my mom rarely bought junk food and I would stuff myself with potato chips at friends' houses. Yeah, yeah. So there's a couple of things you have to consider when you're dealing with your kids. First and foremost, consider the context that they exist within currently and what it's probably gonna continue to look like as they get older. And that context is modern Western society. Now, if we look at modern Western society, currently our best guess of what is probably gonna be the thing that they have to overcome or the thing that they're gonna have challenges with has to do with their health. And it has to do with chronic illness and it has to do with nutrition. So this is the biggest. So if we went back 1,000 years, the context was, I better teach my kid how to hunt and get food because otherwise they're not gonna know the skill and they're gonna starve. Today, I better teach my kid good food relationships. How to navigate. How to navigate food and how to not over-consume and how to not eat these particular types of foods because otherwise they're gonna run a very high risk of getting diabetes, Alzheimer's, obesity, like all these different problems. So and I'm saying that because I want parents to understand that teaching your kids how to navigate nutrition is one of the most important things you could do as a parent. And I'm not saying that because I think that's the most important thing, period. Just because in the lifestyle that we live today, that is becoming one of the most important things. Just don't tell them because I told you so or this is gonna make you fat. Yeah, well, that's the thing. There has to be a lot of education with that. So it's not just like you're demonizing certain foods and it's like super restrictive, like we're just eating clean and in this house we only eat this and that because then that inevitably will happen. They'll go to their friend's house and they'll see cake and they'll see. I don't think that chips and they'll go crazy. I think why this is really challenging is because some people, they don't think it's important. Well, not so much that. I think that if you're listening to our show, I think you're the type of person who understands the importance. That's why you asked this question. You understand the importance of it. You respect the information that you hear from these three knuckleheads but then you can't maybe distill it as well to your child. That's tough to do. It's already tough to regurgitate the information that you're learning, right? That you didn't know that much about until you heard it and now you gotta turn around and teach it to a child. That's tough to do. What I would argue is a lot of times some parents, and don't get me wrong, back up, and I think a lot of parents be fucking it up but I think there's a lot of parents that are starting to understand like a lot of these foods are not good. I probably shouldn't be letting my kids stuff his face with it but they don't know the process to get it. So here's my thought process. So the first thing is and I bet money you guys will agree with me on this. The most effective way to teach your child anything is to be it by example, by far, nothing is more effective than example, at all. Say whatever the fuck you want to your kid. If you do the opposite, which one are they gonna listen to? They're gonna listen to what you do, not what you say. So that's number one. Number two, when people truly understand and comprehend the importance of something on a real level, their behavior fundamentally changes, period. So if I firmly believe, if I'm somebody that truly believes in conserving energy and in keeping the earth clean, if I'm someone who honestly believes it, I don't just pay lip service like yeah, I believe in conservation, I believe. If I really believe it, you'll know when you go to my house. You'll know by how I operate my life, how I drive or how I take public transportation or what I do with waste or, you know, the way I live will reflect that and show what I actually truly value, not what I pretend to value, you know, to everybody else. So when it comes to nutrition, a lot of parents pretend to value nutrition. They pretend like, oh yeah, no. My kids, yeah, I'm very serious about their health and nutrition. I'm very serious about how they eat. This is very important. But then you go to their house and you see how the parents feed themselves and that tells you that they're full of shit. The truth is, if you truly understand the importance of it, you yourself will live it for yourself and that by far, nothing else is a better teacher for your child. Now, as far as your kids going to other houses, here's what I've experienced. What I've experienced with kids who live in a house that just understands and values and prioritizes health on a real level, not because of aesthetics or not because, you know, don't get fat. And I'm not talking about the negative. I'm talking about true health and wellness and they understand it. What happens to these kids when they go to other kids' houses is they either, A, learn their lesson because they seek sweets, they over-consume and they get sick and then they're like, this doesn't feel good or B, here's what my kids do. When we go to a party and my kids are like, you know, it's a birthday party and they look at me like, can I have a soda? And I'll be like, yeah, you can have a soda. I don't fucking restrict by the way. I'll be like, yeah, you can have a soda. They'll drink a quarter of the soda and they'll put it down. They don't want anymore. This happened, and this is very common with kids who live this way. They have these natural limiters and governors in their body because they normally don't eat that way. And as an adult who's practiced fasting in the past and none of it, I've experienced that too. If I eat really, really, really, really good and I feed my body properly or whatever, I don't over consume or over consume as much as I would. Yeah, that's so tough though. Those, I mean, fucking Lay's chips were designed so you can't just eat one. For sure. You know what I'm saying? But you'd be able to eat more of them if you ate them every day, you know, being the part of your life. Oh yeah, I agree. It's just that you've trained yourself to already crave them and want them and then you do them. But I think even without that, even the first time you've been into a Lay's chip, who didn't like that? Who didn't like that? There's a challenge that. Yeah, yeah, of course. You know what I'm saying? Of course. I mean, you could be a kid that was doing all good and then all of a sudden you get your hands on that just someone else. So here's a couple of things that I. I think where the real thing is, is the conversation, this is just again, how on top of your game are you as your parent, you have this awareness now because you did that as a child. So now you're thinking as a kid, this could be happening to my kid. Pay attention. They might get a stomach ache the next day. They might be grumpy the next day. Connected for them. Yes, help them connect that to how they feel. And because more than likely the body will show, especially that small of a person, that young of an age and introducing that fucking garbage that early, their body will tell you of something. They won't just run through it. You see, you guys bring this up all the time about sugar. I don't even have kids and I've seen it before. All the behavior completely changes. The sugar crash in a child is, it's actually, if you really look at, so what happened, what's the stereotype of a sugar crash in a kid, right? What do you see, Justin? They get cranky, they get what I wanna cry. Yeah, all over the place. Yeah, irritable, like scatterbrained, right? Now think of the state of mind, cause your little kids are great in the sense that they just act out what they feel. They don't, they're not as aware as adults are socially. They're just developing that. They're just, yeah. So as an adult, if I feel cranky and I'm around a bunch of people, I might just be quiet. Cause I'm like, I'm feeling kind of cranky. A little kid's just gonna cry and scream or whatever. He's become irrational all of a sudden. Bro, think of the state of emotional being and mind that your kid is in when they feel that way. You're fucking doing that to your kid. When you feed him shitty and they get all cranky, you're giving these like temporary periods of anxiety and depression essentially is what's happening. Like that's kind of fucked up, right? If you think about it. No, it's crazy. So here's a couple of things that I do. First off, I'm very obviously, it's pretty easy to communicate that. You don't tell your kid, don't eat this cause you'll get fat or eat this. Otherwise you're gonna be skinnier or whatever. That's just stupid. That's just stupid. Here's the one most people- But people do that by the way. They do do not have been around and seen that multiple times. You wanna have a kid develop a eating disorder. That's one of the hardest ones for me to not like jump in and say something real quick. That's how I, and I don't even have kids. I imagine you guys have kids, you probably get even more defensive. That's how they develop eating disorders. But here's the less obvious one that is actually almost as important. It's how you talk about yourself. So if you're a mom and you have a daughter and you're very aware of like, you wanna make sure your daughter doesn't develop body image issues. You wanna make sure she doesn't have eating disorders. But you constantly say, you look in the mirror and be like, oh my God, I look fat today. Or, oh my God, I gained weight. Or I feel bloated. Or I don't look pretty today. You keep talking about yourself that way. Your child- They're gonna mirror that. They mirror that and they learn it quite a bit. So, and they learn it because they see what you value and your kids just want to be what you value. So if you communicate to your kid inadvertently that you value skinny and pretty and that kind of stuff, then they're gonna wanna be that to try to, because they think now that you value that and that can create problems. So, talk about yourself in a way that you would talk to your own kid. So don't say shit, negative shit about yourself in that kind of a way. You can be objective and be like, wow, I made a bad decision yesterday or I don't feel good or you know what, that was, I should have done this. This would have been smarter. That's okay, but don't say things like, oh, I'm fat or I don't, they'll internalize. That's a big one. The other one too is, you know, when I say like, it's just the way it is, like here's an example at my house. This is something we implemented months ago and it's been one of the best things we ever did and this is kudos to my girlfriend. This was actually her idea and it was actually quite brilliant. When we serve dinner at the dinner table, it comes in courses and it starts with vegetables. And so it goes vegetables first, then it goes proteins and fats and then if they're gonna have starches that night, which they do, I'd say 80% of the time I'll provide them with the starch, 20% of the time it'll be maybe some fruit, then the starch follows. They don't move to the next level until they eat at least some of the first level. And I'm realistic, so I know, okay, my daughter's probably not gonna like this vegetable dish. Okay, so I'm gonna put a little bit on her plate and she'll be like, oh, can I have the meat? I'll be like, as soon as you finish that, then I'll give you the meat. And it was like one or two days of like a little bit of battling and now it's just, this is how we eat. They know they're gonna eat this first and move on the next thing and it's no longer this discussion, it's just how we eat. And what's also starting to happen now is they're starting to crave vegetables and they know, is dinner ready? And we'll be like, oh, it's almost done. Are the vegetables ready? Cause I wanna eat those now. And it's like, what else is there? Have they challenged you guys and asked you why we're doing this? Yeah. Absolutely. Why do we eat this way? And I say, well, we eat the foods in order of importance in terms of our health. So vegetables are most important. So we wanna make sure we eat those first. It's also good for digestion. It's gonna get your, it makes the food move through you better, helps you absorb things better. Well, why do we eat the meat next? Well, meats typically contain the essential. And I, you know, here's the thing, like don't underestimate your kid's ability to understand things. Sometimes we talk to little kids like they're fucking babies all the time. We do baby talk. So I'll say meat has the essential macro nutrients that you need. And then I'll say, let me explain to you what those are. So I'll say there's three things that come in food, proteins, fats and carbohydrates, but only two of them you have to eat. Otherwise you won't survive. One of them you don't have to eat. Like if you never ate carbohydrates, you would still survive. That might not be ideal, but you won't survive. But two of them you have to eat or you won't survive and meat contains both of those. And that's why that's next. And then the last thing is the non-essential thing that we need, but that can also be important because it can provide us with energy and this and that, which is our starches. And so they, oh, okay. That makes sense. And it's done. And it's done. And I haven't had any like issues at the, because what would happen is if I started with, like most dinner tables will start with the starch and then they'll move to the meat and then they move to the, by the time he gets the vegetables, you're gonna have to fucking fight with your kids. And that's not a situation you win. Even if you win, you don't win. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, if you have it all in one plate, it's just like gonna sit there and they're gonna stare at it until it gets cold. And then it's like this battle to try and get that out. No, I like that a lot. I have actually done something somewhat similar, but definitely highlighting the importance of, like what meat does for you and like why? Like you only have like two essential macronutrients. And so I have had that same conversation even with the four and five year old and eight year old. It's like, they get it. It's so great. My daughter went to the dentist the other day and she had a couple, look like cavities are starting to develop. So they put some sealants. And my daughter, by the way, like is a grain fanatic. Any grain, rice, wheat, like whatever. I partially blame, I'm not gonna put the blame on anybody. It's, you know, I mean, in my culture, bread and pasta are such staples and it's the first fucking thing you feed kids. And so she just ate those early on along with other things too, but that's what she, and obviously those foods are pleasurable to eat anyway. So she's super addicted to them and she's getting some cavities. So she got some cavities and she's asked me, she goes, how come, you know, how come my brother doesn't have as many cavities as I do? And, you know, do you have cavities? Well, actually I've never had a cavity. She's like, what? Why do I get a cavity? So I explained the microbiome of the mouth. I explained how certain foods can affect that and I explained how grains and sugars in particular create an environment in your mouth where bacteria lives and then attacks your teeth. And I'm just being totally honest. I'm like, you know, so maybe you getting more cavities because the microbiome in your mouth is promoting this bacteria that she's like, well, how do I change that? I said, well, it's complicated. Cause again, I'm being honest with her. I said, but something you can try is try to avoid eating a lot of grains. Well, what are grains? You know, cereal, maybe pasta, as I said, try to avoid eating as many sugars in particular too. Like if you want to eat candy and stuff like that, that tends to give cavities. She's like, okay. And I noticed very subtle changes in how she started eating because she's understanding the consequence of the cavities. Dude, what's crazy is most smart kids will, if you say something that they don't understand, they'll say, what do you mean, Papa? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She'll probably say that right back to you if she doesn't understand something like that. So she's engaged. I love, Katrina used to, when I first started dating her, Nathaniel was only five years old and he's a really intelligent kid. And she'd always asked me like, the conversations you have with him are so weird. She's like, I'm like, I love to sit down with a young mind like that and see just how smart they are. And making, and digging into them, digging, why did you say that to me? Where did you learn that? And like, just keep making them think and process. You'd be surprised how fucking smart kids are when you take the time to do that. You ever have a straight up conversation with one of your kids, like just a conversation? Yeah, it's weird. It's so funny, right? Yeah, it feels really weird. But yeah, I have had a few of those conversations where you're talking to them, like you're just talking to another adult, almost, and you kind of get lost in it. And you realize, you know, like they stay on course for a lot longer than I would have anticipated. And then it's just like- I think if you guys do a good job of doing that, which you guys do, I think that's gonna pay off so much when they are teenagers, because when shit does get hard, because they're used to communicating to their father, it's gonna be that much easier for them to open up and share what they're going through. You have to be honest, by the way. You teach that so hard. We all wanna understand things, you know? And like, why not start early? Like really give them a deep understanding of things. Why not? Five to seven is the most formative time for that brain. And you have to be- That's why, if you ever wanna train those habits, that's when you wanna train those habits. Be so honest, like don't demonize. Like I had a drug conversation with my 12 year old- Except for Santa Claus. Yeah, exactly. We talked about drugs, you know? My son's 12 and I figure, well, it's a good time to talk to him about drugs. He probably will be exposed to them within the next five years at some point, right? In high school. At some point he's gonna come across them, or at least hear people talking to him if it's not already happening. So I had this drug conversation with him and I was fucking honest. Like when I, when anybody, when an adult talked to me about drugs, when I was a kid, it was like, they're evil, they're terrible, they'll make you crazy, you'll lose your mind. And I remember thinking like, I believed it like, oh, that's so true. Why would anybody wanna do that? And then you get older and then you like experiment, cause you're gonna fucking experiment and you drink a little alcohol and you're like, I like the way this feels. Yeah, I was nothing like that. What do you mean? So I honest, so I was very honest. And I told him, I said, you know, he's like, why do people do these drugs? I'm like, cause they feel good. That people like the way they feel. So let's be honest on both sides. And then he said, well, what they're bad too. I said, oh, absolutely. I said, they can be very bad for your body if they're used inappropriately. Many of the illegal ones, there really aren't a lot of proper uses. I said, however, and I talked about heroin, as a painkiller, how cocaine would use to numb things, how marijuana, and we went, but just be totally honest and do the same thing with food. Like don't demonize food. Like this is evil, don't eat it. I'll be like, well, it tastes really good. Like they designed this to taste really, really good. And sometimes that's fun and that's okay. But here's why most of the time it isn't. And just be honest because once you, if your kid starts to think that, oh shit, my dad's full of shit on these types of things, they start to throw it all out. You know, what they call baby with the bath water. Radical honesty, huh, Justin? That's it, man. Coming in hot. Next question is from Jackie Martinez, 1983. Hey, Jackie. It's our friend, Jackie. It's our girl. How do you guys weigh out huge decisions? What advice would you give someone facing a huge life decision? Your arm wrestle? So she has a major decision in the next couple of days regarding her living situation, so. Well, what I do is I take a massive dose of ayahuasca and I ride the dragon. That's my go-to. It's my go-to. So you learned it on it? You listened to Aya, what do they call her? Mother Aya. Yeah, Mother Aya. She tells you what to do. Yeah, it's very revealing. That's your own, exactly. You know, I read something relatively recently over the past couple of years that I thought was absolutely brilliant. And that, and it was really, it's one of those brilliant things that I've put into practice and it's actually started working. So one of the, so there's studies that have been done on people to show that when people encounter a decision, typically their gut reaction will more often than not be the right decision. This is true with test-taking. So when people take tests, and then they find questions. I always go with your first answer. And they don't, like, it's like, it's like a majority of the time, not all the time, but a majority of the time that's a better answer. I've seen the stats on it. It's like 60 or 70% of the time more. It's like your first initial, your initial guess is right. It is. And your gut, I mean, they talk about being your gut reaction. Your gut is the second highest concentration of serotonin receptors in the body. It's where you produce most of your serotonin. Your heart is your third. So a lot of people say, go with your heart. Well, that saying actually has some interesting, you know, relevance because you do have the third, like I said, the third highest concentration of serotonin receptors are in the heart. So essentially you feel things in those areas because of information that's been processed. Now, it doesn't mean you're consciously aware of them like you are because you don't have a frontal lobe in your stomach, but it does mean that you're kind of feeling what you're thinking and it's based off of information you've accumulated. It's still feedback. It's not a guess. That's my point. My point is a gut feeling is not a guess. It's actually a decision or a direction of decision based on available information that you've already stored in your body. That's why it's more often than not correct. Now, the problem is when you encounter a tough decision is indecisiveness. What do I do? Second guessing. So I was reading this article where this guy was saying, get used to making decisions. And the way you start is by with small decisions. When you encounter small decisions, like you're talking to someone like, hey guys, what do you wanna eat? I don't know. Just make a decision. All right, we're gonna eat barbecue. Let's go. Start with small decisions and then you start to become more confident with making decisions. And then when the big ones pop up, you know, like, you know, should I leave my job and do this or not? Like, you know, like I'm gonna do it. And when I was reading this article, I was thinking about it. I was like, wow, okay. I can really see how there's some truth to that, but it still feels scary. So I started to think about the people that I know who I've met through Mind Pump, who are very successful, who've obviously seemed to have made a lot of fucking good decisions or at least ended up right. And they all seem to be fast decision makers. The one person who comes to mind was Sina. What's the name? Joe DeSina. Joe DeSina from Spartan meets us. And within 15 minutes, I want you guys podcasting at the next one. Joe leads right with his instinct. And it's like, and the dudes obviously made a lot of, like he's fucking kicked ass the entire time. And a lot of people I've met who are real successful tend to be that way. They're like, you know, I'm making that decision. Well, they've honed in on that decision-making process. And even Pedro, when we interviewed him, he brought this up as part of the process of like really trying to refine, you know, being better at that. Like I need to make all these little micro decisions constantly and I need to get better at doing it, you know, at a more rapid pace and being comfortable with it. So you can get the ones that like, maybe I made the wrong decision there. You can get them out of the way. And then you can correct that and sort of make micro tweaks as you go forward. But yeah, the big ones are tough. You definitely have to consider all that feedback that you're going through. Like the instinctual, just feeling towards that direction versus the other direction. What does that feel like? You know, and then start to kind of play out, like in your mind, what that looks like and just go for it, make that decision and stick with it. I think that, I think it's important to think desired outcome. Like if I'm about to make a huge decision, like let's say a career shift, and this reminds me of what happened with Katrina. Like, God, this was four years ago. Oh God, it's been about four years. Four years ago in our relationship. And we had just came off of a year of like not having to work. Like her and I for like a year didn't work and we traveled, just had fun and just really enjoyed each other. And at the time we were, Justin and I were working together and we were working on level up and stuff and mine pump hadn't started yet. And Katrina was talking about, you know, going back to work. And, you know, we talk about it all the time and I'm like, well, what do you want to do? You know, do you want to do this, that? She goes, you know, I've never put myself, used my degree to get myself into a job. I've always done entrepreneurial stuff. Like she worked with her mom and the business, things like that. She's like, I've never really gone out and used my degree. So let's find a job that requires that. And honestly, my desired outcome is that I just want to fucking make a lot of money right now. And I want to put some money away. I want to save, I want to get the house. Like, so that was like her mindset going into that. So that was before even looking for jobs or making a decision like that. She really- So now you know, this is my goal. Right. Yeah. So this, I mean, this is how this girl lands in fucking concrete. I'm saying like Katrina didn't know anything about concrete and is now overseeing, you know, multi-multi-million dollar projects and making a lot of money doing that. Like she didn't know anything about that. That wasn't the desired outcome. I didn't need to do something that was fulfilling and passionate or it made me this, but it did it challenged her in a way. She had to learn so much. She had to grow like, and she's now on the executive team for this company. But I think that when you think like, okay, I'm about to switch over to this job. Like I think a lot of times people don't really know why they're doing that. Sometimes they're just, they think they can get, like I remember I dated this girl too who I remember looking at a resume one time was helping her out. And I'm going through. And I'm like, I don't think we should list all this. And she's like, why I worked for all these. I was like, well, cause it shows like no loyalty. It looks like you, well, they paid me more. And then they paid me more and they paid me. And it's like, you know, you just, so you just keep, so it's all about making just a dollar more. So what do you don't enjoy your job? I'd rather make two dollars less if I like my environment or it fulfills me in different ways. So not really understanding their desired outcome. So, you know, if you're going in to make a decision, you might be taking a risk where you're, you might not make a lot of money. So, but that's okay. Maybe what this is a career change for me, you know, maybe like when I switched over to marijuana from cannabis, I had no desire to. You mean from the gym? Yeah, from the gym. What did I say? From marijuana from cannabis. Oh yeah. Sorry. I used to be in the marijuana industry. Now, now I work in cannabis. And then I got sophisticated. Yeah. Nice catch. It was weed and then it was cannabis. That guy, you know my story better than me, right? Yeah. So I remember that was at that point in my life. I, I love the job I did. I had 401K, I had benefits. I was making good money. I used to say that the only way you could get me to leave here is if you paid me at least double what I was. Cause I'd have clients always offer me these jobs that were a little bit more money than what I was. But I was like, I like what I do. Like I don't want, I don't want to leave that for just, it's not enough. But I do remember someone sliding a piece of paper over to me and going like, this is how much you're gonna make in your first year. And it was significantly higher than anything I had ever even thought of yet at that time. And so they became a no brainer for me. Desired outcome was okay. That's important. Yeah. And the way my thought process behind it was like, even if I hate this job, what about that? If I put my head down, be good at it and do it, put enough money away, then it's gonna set me up for other future potential things I could do. So desired outcome going into that situation to me and really truly understanding what your desired outcome is and then, Sal, you've said this before and I think this is exactly how my brain works is then I think the desired outcome, then I think, okay, what's the worst, absolute worst possible outcome that could happen? I switch over, it's fucking miserable. I have a boss who just is, I hate working for, all those things could potentially happen, right? So can I make myself, can I make myself be okay with I just left this career or this thing to do this? And if you're okay, you could, yeah, I could handle that. I could bear that, because worst case scenario, I'll just get out in a year. I like that you almost make a list and you're sort of weighing it all out more measured because I know like, some people can interpret feedback and it's fear. It's something like more, it's more like they're listening to all these options and a lot of times, fear will deter them from actually making the right decision. Right, right. And so I think what you guys were saying, I think, and this is where I think right now and where we're at like, but I think you have to develop the skill to make quick decisions. Because quick decisions are, yeah, that's extremely important to be able to go like, this boom, let's do this. But you have to learn to get comfortable with failing that, right? So I just talked about this the other day about how I got really okay with these fast decisions because I also got really okay with figuring out my desired outcome, figuring out the worst case scenario, accepting that that could be the possibility, doing it, oh, there it is, that's okay. Boom, we're going. And you have to, when it comes to being okay with failing, it's like it's really more, really you have to understand this. Regardless of the decisions you make, failures and challenges are going to hit you. So you're kind of guaranteed that those challenges and failures are going to hit you no matter what. So you got to ask yourself, how do I reduce the amount of times that I end up in a really, really bad situation, which doesn't have to be just be financial. It can be an emotional situation. You can have a high paying job and be fucking miserable. I've had so many clients who made a shit ton of money in tech and hated their lives, weren't terrible health as a result of it and kind of destroyed their lives. And yeah, I know lots of people like that. So you have to ask yourself, which direction is going to increase my growth and get me where I want to go faster? And that's typically the decisions where you feel them like, okay, you know what? I'm going to go and I'm going to do that. And it's usually the ones that have meaning for you. But I do think we are, there's a little bit of a bias because we're all entrepreneurs. And I think entrepreneurs naturally do that, or at least they value that ability, the autonomy. 100%, that's why I had to wait for you guys were done to say, well, this is where I don't think a lot of people are at that level to make it just this decision quick, follow your gut. That's something that we've trained that skill. I think you need to learn to understand desired outcome first. You need to know what the fuck, why you even want to make that move and then be at rest with the worst possible outcome and the best possible outcome. And once you get that understanding, then I think you can start to harness this ability to like boom, boom, boom, pop it. I think if you move forward with integrity, so your goal is always to be a better person. So integrity and, excuse me, integrity and competence. So I'm gonna try and be an honest, good person or at least better than I was yesterday. And I'm gonna try and become a better person in terms of my knowledge every single day, which improves your competency. And you're a hardworking person because you can't be lazy, right? If you have those three things and then you base your decisions off of those, much more often than not, the decisions you're gonna make are gonna progress you forward. You see what I'm saying? You're just gonna play the odds and the odds are if you're honest and you're learning more every day and you work hard, you're probably generally gonna trend towards a better outcome. Even if in between those, you're gonna have some valleys where you're gonna drop a little bit, where you boost back up. I mean, mine pump is for us, I know is the cumulation of all the shit we did in the past. It all led here and it didn't seem like it's all connected till you look backwards and go, oh yeah, I wouldn't be here had it not been for all these other decisions I made. And I can honestly say this is the best position I've been in career-wise and it's not pay. I made more money managing health clubs. This is better because this is much more fulfilling and meaningful and at the potential is massive. I also wanna make the point too that what I started to put together early on was the scarier it was and the riskier it was, the greater the reward and the greater the fulfillment and greater the fulfillment that came from it. So if it's scary and it seems difficult and you don't wanna do it, it's like those are the ones that are fucking. The easy decisions, there's not a lot of the real rides. Right, and that's, so when you get that feeling, oh man, it reminds me of the butterfly feeling of playing sports. I mean, it just, it excites me. I get excited when I get that feeling inside like I was like, ooh, this is challenging. Arnold Schwarzenegger, here's where growth comes. Schwarzenegger had a quote once, it was so awesome. I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something like, I love it when people tell me that something's never been done before. Oh yeah. Because then I realized that I can be the first one. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, no one's ever done that before and people are like, oh, you know what? You're right, I shouldn't even try. Whereas his mentality is, nobody's ever done that. Fuck yeah, I wanna be the first one. First market. How awesome is that mentality right there? Yeah, motivation is bullshit, self-belief is everything. Excellent. Check it out, go to your app store on your phone and get the Mind Pump Media app. It allows you to search for not just titles, but actual things we talk about within the podcast on the search function. It'll pull up all the podcasts where we've talked about that topic and then you can really fine tune your fitness knowledge or at least how you learn your fitness knowledge. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. 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