 our topic today is we're talking about mental health services you may have seen that on our facebook page and so talk talk to us about the sort of what kind of services are available for people right your age uh going to university or uh your friends what kind of services are available you know how to treat people with mentally mental diseases like you know things that is going on with their heads and stuff right like that oh see so as far as I know in Indonesia they treat people you know we have some kinds of asylum and stuff but as for the treatment I I believe that we are still lacking if we compared to other Asian countries like Singapore and also Malaysia because these days Indonesian government are a Indonesian government is currently concentrating more in delivering the needs to overcome the physical diseases instead of the mental you know they're just a slight number of asylum here in Jakarta to treat those people with mental diseases as far as I'm concerned with it so do you think that's more cultural or is that more economic based I believe that is more economic based because here in Indonesia you know the growth uh the growth number of you know people who are having mental diseases compared with people with physical diseases are quite large you know the difference the number of differences quite large that's why the government is concentrating more towards people with physical diseases like you know kids with um what uh you know with hydrocephalus you know hydrocephalus and you know with other diseases as well as you know um thinking how to overcome the mental disease as far as I'm as far as I know about it so now and what about at your university because I know with in American universities this has been a story this the last few years that American universities in their health centers are starting to offer more counseling for students who are have stress or depression or other emotional disorders and what about in your school are we talking about you know I'm sorry but the columbine massacre things like that we're not even that extreme no no any college has students who are stressed out about their classes their exams right teachers their relationships in my campus my campus name as Venus University if you ever heard of it oh I absolutely you have a very strong given English club there um okay um talking about the counseling stuff um we actually have a part uh you know I don't know a club or what but it's called student advisory center who can help you know students who are feeling stress with their assignments with their college work and you know they help them with counseling you know um whenever the students need the help to come and to overcome the problem they just come to SAC or student advisory center and um the people help them to pop through them with it let me ask you this is it encouraged or are students worried about going there any stigma attached to it um you know it's a common thing when we don't want to show our probability to other people you're right because maybe our friends will think okay he is depressed he or she is depressed and it's a bad public image which is why the SAC itself is not regularly visited somehow but there are still um some of my friends who come there and try to um have a counseling session with the people there know to talk things out I I know in the United States there have been a lot of stories about universities are expanding their mental health services for students for students who face depression or stress um that that that is uh the university how about in china no like if you at your university felt the need to talk to a counselor would there be one there another head of that's in china about stress and um those those kind of illnesses uh maybe people feel lately that they have such problems when they get down when they go to a hospital when you know psychology psychological illnesses affect their body then they're addressed it makes sense when they're physically manifested then they're addressed in your country but is it done more internally within the family structure maybe discuss it with with parents with children um that depends on your your your character I mean your personality if you are open or not open person if you are calm or you prefer to talk about anything you is happening to you so if you are an open person it's easy to pure or to deal with this problem but if you are not used to talk about this matter I mean uh care about yourself uh by your own not um share your problems with others that would be so difficult to you so it sounds like maybe it's more for cultural reasons that people don't seek uh professional treatment it's more for cultural reasons than for other reasons is that what you're saying that yes I think this is the main factor for this uh knowledge do you find that people don't discuss it openly amongst themselves because they're embarrassed or um is a stigma yes uh people might think less of them is that the concern you know people people usually try to even hide this this part of their personality I mean uh hair people maybe look at you if you are if you have some problems um in psychology they look at you like crazy or you are not normal or so you try to to hide this to not affect your reputation to well it's a strange right now