 Well, I still the breakfast and plus TV Africa if you just tuned in we're about to go through the pages of a national dailies And it's good to have you join us Chris came there joins the conversation one do is the executive director of African governance and leadership initiative Chris is good to have you join us this morning Good morning. Thanks for having me All right Let's quickly sort of with the punch newspaper. We have all the papers We sort of with the punch not on the punch. She talks about your shouldn't govern a ship election Shouldn't govern a ship holds a delicacy camp worries over litigation and woes PDP faction All agreed members constitute danger We're talking to Baba Emi the PDP put spokesman is quoted to say I mean one would want to begin the thing that some people said We also remember that there was a reconciliation Committee that was set up and some people say that the reason that the PDP had the victory in Oshun state is because of the fact that they were able to take care of all of the bickering within the party I expect all you're taller to have congratulated me Conceived defeat says governor elects Delicates quoted on that and Oshun governor Lawyer inspect election results may head for court to Nibbo awaits Government or action. However, that's what you see Right there. There's a writers underneath the banner caption Away from that the federal government of the United Nations to identify terrorists and criminals at airports That's if the airport will be functional then we Billy discourse challenges P B P e plans United Kingdom Lego action and NLC. There's police says protest notification on necessary Okay Do not forget that the NLC has said that there will be a protest between the 26th of July and the 27th of July and this is to Ensure that, you know, the government's get into its agreement and that you know with us As you and the government will call off its lingering strike Arrow suspense operation over skyrocketing jet a1 prize. You have orders. That's what you find Shanties shop raised as fire gods Lakers saw meal Very very sad. I mean if you look at the picture, you can only imagine what will happen in the saw meal As we meet August first strike enters 155 day Again, you find another caption saying Ogun resident flee homes and the cry government neglect Legos caught jails business man 60 years for fraud and Pass applied to drop a game to see and a let's Nigerians I know Fans monday debt of nollywood actress Ami and you also have The shoulder who died as well Or your government or your get new deputy governor and falls Impeachment it would be the crux of our conversation as we proceed but away from the punch And that's because we have the nation new speaker 100% pay rise likely for strike in versity teachers Buhari may lead talks prolonged class Boycott dangerous to use feature and you see cautions marking day inaugurates law while as deputy Shortly after Raouf actually the camp defected to the APC To know who to present shatima tomorrow a Lot of persons had taught that you know with the outcry of the people that maybe the you know The APC would probably have or reconsider now gunman kill soldiers nine orders in platoon emo Niger Netherlands signed packs on food security Gov federal government silent as marketers high petroleum pump price Also had reports saying that it was sort of a subtle agreement between the federal government and you know the oil marketers Again, the arrow contractors to spend flights. These are the headlines you find this morning on the nation new speaker away from the nation we have Was they have this day newspaper on this day newspaper Winners and losers how they're shaped or go shown governorship polls Winners and losers how they're shaped or shown governorship poll and Seven takeaways from ocean gubernatorial election more like an editorial and you find to know bill a day boy or Meet over Muslim Muslim tickets That's another one you find this morning and NMPC transition group CFO expected to Intensify internal checks and controls 2023 Ina can talks with CBN over election material storage. There's a coin You remember time where you you had a CBN governor who had said he was interested in becoming not necessary But he felt like it was rumored and people express concern that how can this thing be? Especially when you know that election materials have been stored, you know in the central bank of Niger How how can you be a person of interest because at the end of a day? I mean what would happen? How disciplined can you be but that's it on the this day? We quickly just run through the daily trust and then we have Chris Kinde who joins the conversation Boko Haram orders ambushed soldiers attack four states in six hours and and see JTF chair for members killed in Borno troops foil attack in Niger two killed one injured in plateau and seven-year-old killed 19 orders Abducted in FCT and Katsina the riders you find you're by flawed for dead as 11 communities relocate terrorism UN borders and CAA to on scale strict passenger and profiling Regime as a strike banks aviation unions threaten to short-down operation But do you think that the friend, you know the government or the relevant quarters would blink? Airlines bleeders Nigel's orders carrier ever contractors holds operation again. You find Impicc low I'll takes authors new or your deputy governor A woman's who's ex-husband for marrying her best friend a lot of things are going on in the world And that's it this morning on the daily trust newspaper Chris K. Then one day less Let's have you share your thoughts now once again. Thank you for making our time to be part of the breakfast We appreciate you and we appreciate your time as well Thank you very much for having me once again Oh, so so let's start off with a punch. I mean it's so much easier to do Also, so let's start off with a punch. I mean, it's interesting the or shun elections have actually come And has gone but not really gone because there's a lot that we need to grapple with and this morning A delicacy camp worries over litigation was the PDP faction What do you make of this? Yes in this part of the world. I'll forget that relation The outcome of an election will bring up a lot of things discussions The satisfaction and the likes and there's always tendency for most people to Agree with the umpire and the result of the election. So those that are view Permitted by the letter at under the constitution of the Republic of Nigeria 1999 as amended to seek to address in the court of law Um, normally what happened is that the tribunal relation tribunal is not going to be set up To That will be set up as soon as possible And anybody can agree. We definitely had Bets on the parts of PDP Is looking at and is trying to make sure that And do the situation within their own broad and have a co-asked Front and the order that I give the party Would make to come to terms with what has happened and support the governor-elect Of course is their party candidate. So Um The next three days and weeks a lot of reconstruction will be done And I believe that um that in this In as we didn't feel agreed by Other the primaries of the outcome of the election. Then the other part of cost We decided to go to court but the turning part for me is that I'm just worried why The governor of osu state have not completed The winner of the election irrespective of whether you agree that come off the election or not Is what much demands that you congratulate the women then you can go ahead to court and challenge the outcome The president has done it as a statement by congratulating um Senator Over his victory and I expect the governor To also do Irrespective of whether I go to court or not That he has not done but it's not the first person doing that even advanced country. Don't forget Um All right, so we seem to have a bit of uh some connection so he didn't so um so For now So let's watch and see how it how it all comes out Well, you already mentioned that especially where I mean would one not say that this is a contradiction Especially where you had the president himself. He's of the all progressive congress and he's the president Uh, you know putting out the message of congratulation to a demolart deli key. You should have just uh You know gone as a signal that oya taller should also, you know follow suit At the end of the day But like you have stated it's not the first time that this has happened and it probably might not also be You know the second time it would happen Well fingers across then questions will always be what's the essence of signing the peace path I mean, we know that a lot of best sense organizations civil society organizations were heavily involved you know with the uh The process of the election and and everyone seemed to be coming With you know a certain statement, especially where you also have the fact that you know Results were being transmitted real time at each of the polling units apart from one or two Where you know, there were failures of results that could not be transmitted So, I mean what what what could have been really different chris kende one do do we still have you on the line? All right, so hopefully we're able to you know Have chris kende joins the conversation But some people have also thought that it's only normal that you you're going to have all of this litigation going on And when will we grow a move on from such a time where for every time you have an elections We understand people would always go to court and then you know It constantly has to linger and all of that When do we get to a point where you know people would accept? You know the process the outcome of elections and then go by it I'm sure that gradually we will get there as a matter of growth Let's not forget that our democracy is very nascent But away from that there's also another concern And that concern is about the nlc nlc declares Or dares the police and says that the protest notification is unnecessary The nlc is saying that they are backing and strike on on the 26 and the 27th of july And the police and respond to all of that I stated that they have not been notified and now on the other hand you have the nlc saying that hey, it's not necessary I mean notification is not really necessary But uh, I'd like to find out for chris kende and wendu his thoughts on this one. Chris. Do we have you back online? Yes, I am back. Thank you very much. Oh, what do you make of this now? The nlc is Seem to be daring the Nigerian police and saying that hey, it's not necessary to have the notification Because the police is saying hey, we're not in the know of your protests Then what have you what do you make of the back and forth with the police and the nlc? The nlc, um, have the right to It is within the right of the police to be able to make sure that their protests Please move by providing necessary security There's been so many judgments As I get it's your project in Nigeria And it can be if you're any Nigerian group I'm having the effect of protests You know that sometimes it was one of the judgments that you don't need to inform the police For whatever reason, but just make sure that it's peaceful back Even as we have not informed the police That uh, is the Interest in me But the police does not have the right to stop anybody from protesting. They don't have the right So if they're nice to want to go on But they have the right and they have the constitutional right All they can do is inform the police and the police probably give them the necessary Guide in the sense of protecting a magician or that a protest is not By taking alarms or trance or what? What about yeah, but look let's look at the The main cross of the mountain The nsc is going on protests Into the night with one of its uh, a pleaded union which is out And the fact is that um I have been on strike for several months now over in agreement with government We've got men have been hit on and the government since I've gone on to see Don't see the the president was saying three days ago that enough is enough and I asked how The police were caught at the present of February public of Nigeria The list of education and that of states are practically The list of people and that of I've also gone to play and they have totally Left the university family close and the children being at true So what they might lose to session And I've only played this time with a number is because of the problem Most of them don't have to die in this station in the last few weeks And messy you must have seen picture On high food five Going to London going to America and rest of them for the education of their children And that is why you see that this thing linger for long If they have their own children in most of this Find yourself or says where we are and then that is our so Once again, let's see how they ride to protect on behalf of any union And that is what is going to happen All right, so um, let's also still stay with the punch. I'm sure that with time we'll move away from the punch And look at all the papers um, these on the punch talks about uh, the fact that Arrow suspends operation over the fact that jet a1 The price is on the high and that's like an old Uh, you know airline that has existed in Nigeria imagine What's going to happen now? I want you to judge the posters with the fact that the federal government at the UN Is saying that we identify terrorists and criminals at the airports It looks like we probably might just be slowing down the airports might be shutting down You know anytime soon because if you don't have This aircrafts being able or airlines being able to fly their aircraft Moving people from one spot to the other then I mean, how do you what what do you make of all of this? At this point the federal government is saying, hey, you know terrorists They're going to be identifying them on the other hand There's an airline that has shot our operation and we don't know how many airlines are going to be going down due to you know, um the jet a1 Scarcity let's say in the nest in the nest few days and weeks. I would say that something's going to be If within the national sector um Let's just to the I came I just came back from will you A capital and I paid between 9 000 naira for a one-way ticket 89 000 naira for the one-way ticket on my way back How many can afford to do that? It what we're even fighting over 50 000. I paid 89 000 naira on a bomb air And come back to me go to the I traveled on Friday when I was going I paid 74 000 naira But coming back and paying 89 000 naira I'm coming up with airlines because they don't have the basic wealth Some of them is going to the black market to be able to source this and Don't forget that we also few weeks ago about the The airline to go outside because of this Because they felt that there is no way Um, because they can survive The jet in one is price is going out of the roof and they've been crying And the government did a kind of intervention and I said in that time that this is just a short time intervention That will not last more than one month. And what we're having now is that headlines are going to be serious expressing Um Period try to meet up demand especially when it comes to aviation where and what can they do? They have two points And No, they cannot do that you cannot come together and raise your price and I said Can you be able to put a man to ransom on his property? He said I cannot be demand. He cannot be able to get Let's be able to fight. I just said I cannot rise right. You cannot be busy talking from crying So that is the plight If you go to the airport and see the rates Light are being cancelled and being delayed some as much as about four to five hours because of this Well, you'll be surprised the aviation industry is very key to every economy in all parts of the world If the aviation industry is affected then you have to have a roll-up effect on so many Um other sectors of the economy and that is what is happening now I hope that the government is good in needful and try as much as possible to make sure that this airline will not Just totally could happen one because of the fact that if they for any reason try to start cutting corners They will be back to the days where you saw a dc Very new Danae address of them. Just uh, it's just collapsing and crashing of the of the sky and they The problem we're going to face will be a normal. So I'm just calling on the All those that are involved to be able to be The airline workers have been said that they should be allowed to also import Um Just one on your own but the problem message is that even the central back is not every matters. We are not making The um the was it the dollar available to this airline to be able to do what I Okay, so let's look at the You know the nation newspaper now if I'm not mistaken it talks about the pump price For petrol, you know, you had already mentioned the implication of having these airlines Shutting down what it will mean. I mean one is asking if every a shutdown operations. Imagine other airlines going What becomes, you know of the Nigerian economy? Especially when the roads Not quite safe The airlines not necessarily that they are safe and the waterways. I mean what becomes of the people Well, let's move away from that. I think it might just be a conversation for some other time uh You have the marketers finally hiking petrol price to 117 hour 219 hour per liter and uh, according to, you know, the report is that There's some to be some subtle agreement between the federal government and you know official oil marketers. And so this source that was very You know privileged to be part of that, you know meeting reported that it was agreed that petrol The cost should just be maybe 10 hour extra Chris came day Do do you think that, you know, this is actually The way forward What option do we have and that's What options do we have messy we have not We are messy of the marketers. We are messy of market forces and there's price guide nothing anybody can do And it's something like a broken record because every day we come here to talk about And we continue repeating the same thing if we have done what we need to do Yes And I want to say it's just like In 2015, I'm not even going to successive government That is even next year In 2020 this government said that they're going to be new the refiners They're going to revamp the ones we have so that like I can talk sufficient in petroleum Production and Seven years down the road, not a single Pioneer have been given this government. They have gone as far as the Sector We import 100 practically 100 percent of our consumption material consumption in india and I only say This seems to be any country the world that produce foods in a large quantity a sport and now import petroleum We find controller And how we will be able to sustain that because this will also depend this will depend on market intentional market forces As we have it now, you see the one in Ukraine and the And the flag will be on the sector and in last month as we continue to import That is the population to be having there is no way out There is no solution to it down we want to be self sufficient a production of petroleum product If we continue to import the prices will continue to rise on a daily basis and there's nothing we can do about it The marketer is not a fault of much class. The three competitors do know how much I buy the product You cannot be some in business You buy a product or pipe naira and you want to sell for three naira What kind of business that is not possible to not work so The government once again How to be able to do something about it? We are depending we have been depending on the Now it has come to the fact that Next few months don't forget the fact that we are supposed to If I'm not working as of last year, it didn't work And the ship simply to tell you this They are not in operation Where I have in july and there's no way that they come up on the end of this year So what we have now in three four and the market would determine the prices of this petroleum But whatever we do, that is why your sister city is abuja to make gold in a bag of and every part of this But to because the market has got people have enough to be able to Distribute and for them to be able to continue meeting nothing And then they have to find and that is why we find ourselves And that's bitter truth. Well, unfortunately, it feels like, you know, you have other papers for instance the nation reporting that The federal government is not in the know of this hike that, you know, all marketers or the pump prices actually increase It's not been so that, you know, the expected 165 or you were looking at 170 Between 170 and 190 naira per liter That, you know, I don't know if that's such of It's more like some kind of hypocrisy Messy because Messy, you know If you direct the sector If you direct the sector, there's no point if you can't It has been prices for all in marketers. It is not on anywhere to watch. So so so has it been deregulated? Yes, it has been regulated. It has been But the thing is Yes, we understand that it's going to be a transition and I was even going to ask you about that. That's on the disti The truth here is it looks as if it's shorter than secrecy I really don't know because it's looking like we're speaking in harsh voices. We're just harsh or should the government is You know, not being very vocal and being bold about it if we're deregulated Let Nigerians know let's not begin to make it look like, you know It's some kind of secret that we're trying to keep away from the people because that's what it is So why would the government not be why would the government be silent when we already know that we have deregulated? But let's get to the other part of it on the this day talks about the transition on of of the nmpc Are you excited about this? It's also expected that the ceo You know relevant stakeholders would begin to conduct the regular checks the internal checks To ensure that everything is straight But my question to you is are you excited about, you know, this transition? And do you think that this would mean well for Nigerians? It would bring good tidings I don't sound like I'm not a pessimist Let me try to talk to you. You think that this would bring us good tidings This is not Christmas. So good tidings But I want to believe that if we do the right thing make sure that These agencies of government are allowed to operate the way they are Then I'm good news, but I don't know For me, let's see the 90 a factor will always come And I am not Optimistic that I'm going to get it right. We have not changed my pets We are not in personnel If not change anything with its system, what we're just having is a change of name I think the cool of people that are going to Move around and are we going to get them from Are they recruiting people to be able to take over from those that are here then? No So we have the kind of orientation And run some of this as personal Businesses and not government businesses. I will tell you that not to be changed But as we said, let's see whether we can have good tidings in July Good tidings will come during the Christmas and it's not yet Christmas All right, so Chris, we just quickly look at this one. It talks about flooding and flooding now and on the daily trust you bear Ford dead as 11 communities relocate. That's on the one hand also you have You know, you know shun state the issue of flood as well and flooding is everywhere You know in Nigeria Lagos is not left out I mean for some days where we had it raining cats and dog It hasn't been quite easy for legutions those who have lost their lives And those who have also lost their properties. What have you? Chris What exactly is the situation with us because I know that the the flooding that we experience or we're experiencing in Nigeria It's not like it's that natural disaster that happens like the hurricane Why can't we sort out the issue of flooding because it feels like it's almost impossible What's going on with uh, you know the issue of flooding in Nigeria in different states Because it's taking lives and that's a threat May I say there are several factors For example, most you have to remember the nimet wonder What is going to happen? and the the flood That would occur within this period nimet has foretold that as late as last year So that position is coming through Second is issue of climate change What is not unlimited to Nigeria? across blooms London most streets of London in the center and where flooded the same thing in the United States in the parties and even Europe or part of Europe But the problem is that once that happened within the company find a way of solving the problem Very all that we've got a good contribution to it and also to be that human Where the government on any basis that we put to stop 20 to god are here. They've got us the rest of them Can I break here with the city will be because you Finish in and in the bottle of something to treat on somebody from the house and instead of Into a A point into the product and rest of them. But the fact that then also where we plant our cities You see is that where people build houses blocking the Water applaud and definitely if you block that water will always have its own That is not all the time because if you go to some of these Uh between that the flood is just to render on and that the point that I'm not even controlling What I just believe is that our disaster management Uh team never and the rest of them show up there and I'm able to spread them Let's I'll tell you that in those that are about four five years I used to I do a lot of road movement as a A partial celebrity special myself And I remember one particular about twice I was coming from abuja and I'm going to local job the local job Bridge For four hours, we could not cross the road and I'm not cross from local job to okene Which is the next The whole was loaded, but I think that Largest data because Chris we have to go now Be careful because the morning was too far Chris, thank you so much. We have to go We appreciate your the insight and perspective that you brought in this morning Looking at the pages of national dailies and we look forward to sharing more of your thoughts In the cost of the week Thank you very much. I have a wonderful day You too chris cayndale. One do is the executive director of african governance and leadership initiative Thank you so much for being part of the show once again And that's it. We take a break when we return it'll be time for us to Look at our first conversation line here. We'll be looking at the issue of mental health And speaking with an expert, so please stay tuned, but just before then let's tell you what happened today Be the 19th day in july stay with us