 Oh, hold on a sec. I've just got to unmute my machine. Good morning everybody. Good morning. This is Jane. And this is Chris and we are your host for today for our 40th webinar in this series, Copyright and Online Learning at a Time of Uncertainty. So 40 is XL in Rome of Nuberalls. I don't know whether that means that this is an extra-large bumper-packed edition, but we're certainly looking forward to catching up with everyone after our break. Here we are. And we're in our back-to-school outfits here. So this is not our typical wear, obviously, but we thought we'd make a bit of a joke about the back-to-school idea. So I hope you like my bunches. And yes, Gleve Christina likes the jingle as well. We have the jingle every webinar. So what have we got lined up today then, Chris? Well, if it's our back-to-school, you did mention the thing, and maybe this is to pose the question about whether this is covered under Section 34 of the Copper Art Designs and Pain Sacks. Oh well, there we go. That's enough of that. So yeah, we've got some things to talk about today, just to catch up on what's been happening recently. So we've got some news to talk to you about. Some good events coming up as they always seem to be relating to copyright. And then we've got some guests, haven't we, to talk to us about what's happening against coming up in the next academic year from the Copyright Licensing Agency and Educational Recording Agency? Yes, we have James Bennett and Helena Djokovic. And I can see they've both managed to join the session and we've got their slides ready to go in a little while after we've done our intro. Yeah, but we've also got a bit of time, haven't we, just to talk through what other things there are in the community leading up to next year, next academic year. What are the questions people have? Absolutely. The way, you know, the state of play at the moment. Yeah, and I think we're really interested in hearing from people at universities and colleges around the country to hear what the sort of plans are for going back to campus or where the teaching is going to be online and things like that. And then obviously what the implications are for copyright. So we'll come to that at the end of the session though and have a bit of a discussion there. Okay, so what have we been up to recently? I'll go first because I'm on the left. Some of you will know that I posted some of my sourdough exploits. This is the best loaf. This was just last week. This was the best loaf I've ever done. And I don't know, I don't think there was anything particularly I'd changed, but I got a big nice oven spring, a nice open crumb. So it's just one of those things that requires you to just do it again and again and again. If only you'd let me try it. I don't know. Yeah, well, yes, maybe one. I've brought you plenty of bread over the years. Next time I come around, I'll save you at least a half a loaf. Like a little moldy crust. A little crumb. Yeah, the little nub. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's really kind of you. So what have you been up to there over the summer? Oh, this is just a picture of me last week out on my bike. And that's my nephew, Henry, who's five. He's really awesome on his bike. He doesn't even have any stabilizers. So I took him on about a four or five mile little ride off, not mainly on tiny little lanes and off road, just to say, I wasn't risking his life. But yeah, that's quite an exciting shot. And then this is my... Oh, we've got the doorbell. Hello. I don't think I need to go and answer that. I'll just go and check. I'm fine. Carry on. This is my pumpkin. So I am growing pumpkins sort of accidentally in my garden. People might ask, how are you growing pumpkins accidentally? I planted loads and loads of seeds, and the pumpkin ones seem to do really, really well. And now I've got a kind of massive structure in the garden and it's got like four quite large pumpkins. So I'll keep you posted. Have some nice pictures around Halloween time as they start going orange. But that's... Yeah, that's the pumpkin that's right at the top. So it's probably about two metres off the ground, actually, which is quite exciting and a bit treacherous if it falls down. So yeah. So I would say feel free to share your summer exploits in the chat. Let us know what you've been up to. Anything you want to share? Yeah, I did hope they were courgettes, actually, Christina. And then it was fairly clear that's not a courgette once it got big. So no, all my courgettes got eaten by the slugs and snails. But they didn't want the pumpkins. So yeah. I think we should move on. Okay, let's go. Let's do it. So just to remind you here that we have our archive of all the previous webinars on our blog so you can go through to look at all of the recordings there. And I'll just pop that in the chat. So there we go. Excellent. Good stuff. And now we're on to... Copyright news, copyright. Right. What's going on in the world of copyright? Okay. Well, when we went through this, because we haven't done a webinar for a little while, we had quite a few things actually to update people with. So this was released actually about a month ago. Our podcast, if you love our waffle, you can listen to us at your own leisure on the Copyright Waffle podcast. But we were really, really delighted to do a Copyright Waffle with Julia Radar, who was an MEP and a kind of copyright campaigner. And this is just like fascinating, wasn't it, the conversation that we had with her about things like liquid democracy, where I'm having to slightly bluff my way, looking it up very quickly of like what on earth you two were talking about during that webinar. But it's just great to get her personal story, how she got involved in copyrights and all the things that happened as part of that political process. So she was instrumental in the creation of the new digital single market directive that is being rolled out across the European Union and will still have a very large impact on what happens in the UK, no doubt, even though we are not putting it into place in the UK. But yeah, a really great interview. Really interesting person. And as ever, we got to find out what kind of cake she likes. So you have to listen to the end all the way through to the end if you want to find that one out. Yeah. Yeah. So what else, Chris? What else? Well, we have, as many of you know, and many of you are members of the Copyright Online Learning Special Interest Group, we'll know that Jane and I are the co-chairs. So what we wanted to do is give you an update that there are a list of education resources that the group put together in UK-based copyright education resources that are particularly useful for those in education. And Jane, are you going to stick the link in the chat? I was just looking for that one. Yeah. Okay. I've got it. But anyway. You do it. So we've got some things to break for putting this up there. But this is on the old site that we have for the Special Interest Group. So there's quite a lot of work going on in the group. We've got another committee meeting coming up the week after next, where we are planning a schedule of we're going to continue these webinars and we'll come to that at the end of this session one a month. But we're also looking at other ways that the group can support what's happening across the community. So is there anything else to say on what the call-sig is up to? I think probably we'll do an update after our committee meeting, won't we? But I mean, we've got quite a number of working groups in different areas with people sort of leading on this. I'm meeting the Copyright Education and Training Group next week with a bit of a chat. And this page that we created is very much a work in progress. So do have a look at it. I think we haven't yet sent it round on this copy-sig as well to get some feedback, which is something that we will be doing in the next week or so, I think. But yeah, Greg's off on paternity leave at the moment, isn't he? So when he's back, we will be chatting to him about that. So I've just put a link to the main group page. If you aren't aware of the Special Interest Group, what it does and how you can join, you can follow that link. The only other thing to say on this actually is we have done the survey, the questionnaire that Irene Greenwich was leading on, and many thanks to Irene, and she will be presenting on the feedback on what people were getting from these webinars in due course. So that is a big part of what the group is doing. And I think we're going to be sharing that at the next webinar, not the next one, but the one after that, maybe. We certainly will. So the next thing we wanted to draw your attention to is the Miami University Libraries Copyright Conference. In the US and Canada there's quite a lot of work that happens around copyright in libraries, education, cultural heritage institutions, and this is one of them. And there are many people here, friends of the podcast and the webinar series. We've got Emily Alpaneo who's written one of our most popular blog posts for copyright literacy.org talking about becoming a copyright librarian. So that is looking like an interesting session. It is clearly from a US perspective and more on what we are hoping to do to provide it with a UK perspective on the same issues in due course. Is the conference free, Chris? I wasn't 100% sure. I think it is, isn't it? It certainly was last year. I think it is. Yeah. Yes, let's have a quick look. Conference registration. And that's going to be some time in the evening, I think, on the 27th session. It's registration cost $25 and includes access to all conference programming. So there is a cost associated with it, but I think it's fairly phenomenal cost. And you've got there some excellent speakers. I mean, Kenneth Cruz is a legend of copyrights in libraries and is definitely well worth listening to. Okay. So the next thing on our list of things to be aware of is the Library Leaders Forum which is led by the Internet Archive. So it's many of the live issues happening in the US around digital ownership and the future of library connections and the questions around controlled digital lending and licensing of eBooks and how the whole ecosystem fits together. So they'll be talking about that at that event. Yeah, I've just popped the link into that one as well if people want to find out more. And our next update, I think, is you as well. I was going to just say your favourite topic. The UKRI Open Access Policy was relatively recently. After a very long wait, we were waiting for the policy on funding and open access. And we've got clear steer following the plan S how things are going to work in the UK. So it's not specifically online learning. It is about scholarly communications and research outputs. But I guess there's a question we certainly had someone ask us whether this was a topic we would want to look at as part of this webinar series. So I guess thoughts on that from you out there. It's an area where there are a lot of, or clearly there are going to be lots of discussions more in the scholarly comms area and we want to hear directly from UKRI and also the coalition S people about how the copyright things work in the context of the agreements that people sign to get research funding. So it may be that this isn't the best place to have those because in fact those conversations are happening elsewhere. But thoughts from you as to whether you think that having a focus on a particular element of it, particularly around ownership of copyright would be valuable. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So next up we've got a couple of conferences to highlight. So one conference that Chris and I have participated in a couple of times before in real life as well as online conferences. So the Creative Commons Global Summit is happening in a couple of weeks time. It's going to be the 20th to the 24th of September. There is a variety of options of how you can pay what you can afford. So do have a look at that if it's something you're interested in. We certainly really enjoyed it when we got to attend not least because we went to Lisbon but it's a really interesting mix of people isn't it Chris, that go along to it. So people that lobby for copyright reform, artists, librarians, teachers all sorts of activists and things. So it's really interesting event. Absolutely. And just a word, we are from those that attended the copyright and images session we ran recently. We are following on with conversations with Creative Commons about that and how we can and in fact we've got a meeting next week. We have, yeah, with Sarah who's their legal counsel. So we're going to update you and we've got some more information about that. So, yeah. Good stuff. So there's another conference as well. This one we're actually going to be presenting at. We are, yeah. So the European Conference on Information Literacy the ECL conference it's what year is it in now? I think this is about the seventh or eighth year of this conference and it's going to be online. It was supposed to be in Bamberg in Germany last year and a good friend of ours Fabien Frank who's also presented on one of these webinars was going to be hosting people in Bamberg but it's online. Chris and I are doing two presentations one of which is about shifting our games online and so we've been doing some work as people know on the publishing track and the copyright card game and I think trying to get everything ready for that what we're hoping we might be able to release the slides and the resources we use for those two games online sort of around the time of that conference. We're also doing another presentation aren't we about sort of the copyright literacy survey that we first ran in the UK in 2014. And the home of that is this conference is where we've got involved in copyright literacy so that's why it's on the list isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So it would be good to participate virtually but it would have been nicer to go to Bamberg. Another conference that we thought we should just flag up because obviously this is happening not next week, week after but obviously we're now co-chairs of the Alts Special Interest Group and Alts have an annual conference that's been running for many, many years. It's actually one of the first academic conferences I ever attended in about 2001 or something that makes this sound really interesting. It was a gateway to your addiction then, clearly. A little bit, yeah. It was in Edinburgh and it was great anyway. The Alts Conference is going to be online and it's from the 7th to the 9th of September and they've got some great stuff all up. Obviously a lot of things on the theme of the shifting teaching online and the impact that the pandemic's had. It is primarily learning technologists here were there but I'm actually going to be presenting at that conference as well about the work I've done with my modules and shifting those online and supporting staff. So the theme is shared experience different perspectives. Yeah. Yeah. So we're transitioning to the main part of the session then, aren't we? Yeah. I think we've got James on the call and I'm hoping that James is going to be ready to go. I think we might need to just make you or you're presented James. I believe so. Hello. Good morning. Good morning. Good day. You're in the office. Yes. I'm going to pop your slides up for you James and in some ways you need no introduction but I should introduce you so you're head of rights and licensing. That is still your job title at CLA. Yeah. Chris and I obviously work with you in our work on the University's UK Copyright Negotiation and Advisory Committee with the license but really grateful that you could join us and tell us a bit about what's going on with CLA and anything to sort of flag up for the sort of back to normal as it is, the new term. So I'm just popping your slides up now and you should be able to see them and you should have control of them. Oh great. Thanks James. I'm going to give a fairly brief update on anything new related to CLA and our licensing. So this is going to be very much higher education focused and I appreciate that there are people from other sectors who join this and particularly further education and the public sector but I mean the news is really around HE but I would say that the key point I wanted to make about all our licenses is that anything we put in place specifically for the pandemic has gone back to normal now or is going back to normal this month and that includes the extensions that were put in place for the higher education sector for all the way up till the end of July allowing you to copy more if any wasn't available but the sort of non-exciting news is that we're right back to school, everything the same but I think everyone probably knows that already. The other thing is that we're really pleased to say that due to our agreement with CNAQ that we agreed with them to extend the same license terms and the same pricing all the way to 2024 and we got all universities now have signed that agreement to say that's in place so that's great because it provides stability for the whole sector it also provides stability for us and it allows everyone to focus on getting more and more back to normal in these difficult times so that's all sorted out more sort of day-to-day and technical things that are news we announced a while back that we're doing a small pilot with the British Library where if a university wants to pay a copyright fee but doesn't actually need the scan that would have been available through the EHS project EHS service because they've already got the scan they just need to pay to own it then that pilot scheme is going to continue for this whole I put financial year but actually I mean academic year I don't know why I put that so it will continue for all the way up until next summer and we're going to monitor how it's going so that's going to be still in place and you need to contact Joe Cox at the British Library if you want to take advantage of that regarding EHS so a couple of updates there so as usual on the 1st of August the prices went up slightly of the service charges at the BL through CLA charges then on the website I don't think it's necessarily quote prices here but it's just a small increase in the service charge the other change that is coming is that we're going to be changing the way that we charge for copyright fee paid book chapters so there's a publisher set per chapter price not a publisher set per page price and that will be introduced I believe early in 2022 by primarily by the British Library but anybody who we license to deliver copies from books will need to charge a per chapter price I don't have the pricing details yet and at the end of the day it's set by publishers not by me but I thought I'd give you advance warning that that structurally will change at some point at the end of this year at the beginning of next the one small bit of good news is that the default article price copyright fee paid through EHS or any other services that we license is going to stay the same 2250 so that won't that won't change next year so those are the updates around kind of the licensing that we do as I say mainly in higher education in terms of the DCS digital content store so I've got some updates here on the developments of that the exciting things that we've been doing so the DCS is now used by an incredible 139 universities most of which are in the UK a few are in Ireland and we've seen almost 12 million student downloads since it's launched an incredible 3.2 million student downloads just in the last year we David had a really good look at the the data that we get and we can see that even taking into account the fact that we've been adding new universities the student increase the student usage really increased over and above the increase we would have seen from adding new universities so we've seen like weekly increases between 10 and 100% compared to the previous years week and over the whole academic year we've seen about 23% more use of DCS content by students which is really interesting and really shows how it's a key part of delivering this online learning that everyone's had to do other technical things so we recently launched the advanced reader for the DCS so that's when you open a PDF it opens in a browser rather than downloading the PDF to read if that's what you want it's optional and that provides better functionality I don't have all the details but I believe it allows you to do things that you can usually do with these advanced readers on platforms and we also moved to a CLA run Azure environment which is more robust more scalable and allows us to have more control so it's all kind of behind the scenes making sure that it is a really robust and useful platform for everybody one development that I've been working on a little bit is to a development to surface publishes born digital content in the DCS so that's where rather than there being a scan of a book chapter that someone else scanned you might find that there's the very high quality PDF version which we got from the publisher to put there instead to make it just a better experience and we've already got about 60,000 titles lined up to go into it but there's various bits of development to do so we don't think that that will actually be visible to use until mid 2022 but it's on the roadmap and it's something that we're putting a lot of resources into engaging with publishers to get this content to make the experience of using the DCS and copying better so those are my updates I mean the only other update I have and many of you may already be aware that David Duffield will be leaving CLA in October which is a real shame and I think I'm sure a lot of you will be sad to see him go he's going to Sage so we're wishing well and I'm sure you'll hear from him in the meantime but that means that the site meeting which we haven't quite determined the actual date yet David won't be there for site and I know that he basically ran it for the last couple of years so it will happen I'm taking a bigger role we have other people involved but yeah that's the other news so yeah does anybody have any questions Hi James thanks thanks very much that's great and I can see already in the chat we have got a question for you from Philippa and she's asking what was the rationale for moving to per chapter pricing because sometimes they often need only a few pages from a chapter so I don't know if you can answer that one well this was in response really to feedback from our customers of the document delivery licensing who are the providers i.e. the British Library and others about what they could actually technically manage so I mean yeah the lack of granularity that means we have to go to chapters is not caused by us it's the intermediaries who are only really able to kind of do things on a piece level and the piece is either an article or a chapter so that's the challenge we had so I mean I'd be happy to chat to Philippa or anybody about why we're doing this and when we're doing it and what it would mean but it is I mean we've got to remember that there are intermediaries between us and the customer when it comes to document supply okay okay hopefully Philippa does that answer your question if you want to come on the mic and ask anything else then do or put something else in the chat so have we got any other questions for James and yeah we're very glad to hear about David leaving David Duffield leaving CLA but obviously sounds like a great opportunity for him going over to Sage another one another one yes but I understand a plan for site is it sometime in November possibly it's going to be sometime in November we're just trying to determine the exact date but we're going to be having a day long online conference the same as we did last year okay so it's going to be online yeah it's going to be online we have the attendance is great when we have it online and yeah I mean I'm not saying that in the future we wouldn't go back to a physical event but for something like site it does particularly with travel people need to get the day off to travel all the way to London and stuff and it's not always good so yeah we've got some really good ideas for the for the agenda and if anybody if anybody has any ideas about what they'd like either they'd like to present at site and tell us stuff they've been doing in relation to copyright and technology and education or they'd like us to do something then please shout you'll just drop me a line and I think we've got Sharon who's the chair of the site on the call as well so I don't know if Sharon if she wants to well they could drop Sharon a line yeah yeah but Sharon you're very welcome to speak if you want to but any questions any more questions oh hi Sharon hello hello yeah just reiterating what James said really if anybody does have any topics I'm hoping to meet with the rest of the committee members after the bank holiday week Sam on holiday next week to look at topics and things the other announcement is that I'll be stepping down as chair of site after the site forum in November so we're looking I'll be talking to the committee about a replacement okay Sharon yeah coming up to retirement in a year or two so I'm sort of hoping to drop down to three days and I need to sort of get rid of some things oh well we'll have to do something to mark that occasion Sharon you'll be much missed in the community so hopefully we'll still see you some events for a little while but yeah yeah yeah okay so yeah email CLA or myself if you've got any topics you'd like covering okay thank you well thank you very much James if there aren't any other questions are you going to hang around are you going to hang around yeah because Matt Small might come up after Helen's presentation as well so yeah I'm hoping Helen has managed to get her wifi sorted as well I can see she's appearing from her phone I think possibly so Helen can you hear us okay and can we hear you well I can hear you can you hear me we can hear you great so thank you very much so just to introduce you many of you will have heard Helen speak before but Helen is the Chief Executive of ERA and is here to talk about what's happening with ERA at the moment update on developments and plans so Helen are over to you thank you very much I'm afraid my internet is not working I should have gone into the office like James but actually today was meant to be a day off so forgive me I'm not sure whether I'm going to be able to make the presentation looking at my phone screen I can advance your slides you can do the classic next slide please Helen and I will advance them that's very kind thank you very much and apologies okay well just to start off sort of setting the context of what our objectives are because I'm obviously talking about recent developments in our plan so we have two core objectives actually Chris if you can change the page yeah brilliant so one is enhancing the value of the existing ERA license which is very much bound by section 35 of the CDPA and the other is seeing whether we can extend licensing beyond section 35 of the CDPA so in terms of the first objective of enhancing the license as it stands the main things we're trying to do is increase the volume of broadcast content that's actually accessible to licensees the next is improving the means by which you might be able to access it and record and store that content and the last is really supporting education and the use of broadcast materials and we do that across the board obviously quite heavy emphasis on schools where there's probably the most need for support and resources but as you'll see later we are obviously doing things that are relevant to HE and FE and you know very much cognizant of the fact that extending access beyond section 35 so that international access is possible we know that's a very very big issue for the HE sector okay Chris next please alright so what are the obstacles we face because we do and I'm sorry to have to you know mention this but it does sort of provide some kind of context for you to understand some of the challenges we face our members and you know we have 21 members and they represent a vast array of different rights holders not just the broadcasters and a lot of them have to receive mandates from their members or they are buying broadcast content or commissioning it so they clear rights for section 35 and at the moment you know section 35 is very much limited to the UK and rights clearance in the TV sector is enormously complex you know most of what is broadcast is actually commissioned from independent producers or bought in from outside so the broadcasters do not own the rights to all of that content and all of its uses and when they do deals with the independent producers or buy in programming they usually clear the rights for specific purposes numbers of people on TV or such like and they do all clear rights for section 35 uses but as I said you know that does not cover overseas rights and producers retain the rights for overseas even if it is educational and there are very complex terms of trades negotiated by the broadcasters with the independent producers who I'll mention later is the body that represents those independent producers and so there are agreements in place they do tweak them and renegotiate terms going forward so that's where we have to focus on seeing if there's any scope for future deals to allow overseas use the other barrier we face is quite separate which there's obviously a vast amount of fantastic content that has been broadcast over the years but isn't held in digital form the BBC has digitised pretty much everything and has a fantastic archive of millions of programs but that's not the case with Channel 4 and ITV and the other commercial broadcasters that process of digitisation is in hand and particularly with the BFI's Heritage 2022 project where they are basically trying to digitise vast amounts of tapes and they will hope to make that available in future okay Chris, next page what have we done to support you through the challenges of the last year and no doubt forthcoming years with some financial pressures well like CLA we're keeping the HE tariff constant for further two years until July 2024 CNAC came to us as with CLA and asked us if we could do that and of course we understand the pressure so yeah, we've agreed that we also over the last year managed to secure the necessary approvals from the BBC and the various news and photo agencies that supply the BBC to allow the BBC news channel to be made available to Bob for overseas use for the last academic year that has come to an end but what we have also secured now is the BBC approval for the BBC Parliament through Bob to be available for overseas access on an indefinite basis and we also have worked hard at persuading Pat that really university use, student use from overseas of content on Bob is not a threat to their overseas sales so they have agreed to the curated Bob pilot which allows access from the EU 18 institutions are involved in that and hopefully that's where academics and librarians will select the content that is made available to students on various courses so it is sort of more limited use of Bob but it is very much of the academics feel the students need to see that or hear that content it can be made available so we hope that will provide reassuring data to PACT and the independent producers that really overseas use by students isn't a threat in any way at all. Okay next page we've also done quite a lot to enhance the value of the era license that I said at the beginning we're trying to make more content easily available to licensees and in that regard we over the last year launched two major initiatives the first is the era video streaming platform which launched in September last year that is where we clip and up to now it's just been the BBC that looks like to change TV and radio programs and it's very much what are the key clips that are needed clips are added weekly we have about 3,000 currently available more and more are added it's free to all licensees it's a very simple registration process students from universities can register there's also student share facilities so if an academic wants to share a clip they can share that with their students share the link we also welcome requests for clips it is a little bit more targeted to the schools and FE sector because there we're very much guided by what is the GCEA level what are the students having to learn but we are happy as I said to receive requests but it is just clips not whole programs what is I think of real real relevance to your sector is the BBC Shakespeare archive which launched in May this year the BBC used to have an archive that was available and I know a lot of you were registered users of that but the platform was beginning to get a little bit out of date and had problems and so the BBC transferred it over to us now and it's enhanced much improved technology they also brought it up to date the old archive only had programs up to 2007 now it's completely up to date and we'll keep it up to date there are over 900 full length programs dating back 70 years so basically for every Shakespeare play you're going to find a production in many cases you're going to find several productions but you'll also find documentaries discussing the work you'll also find even comedies Shakespeare and that period has been spoofed whether it's Monty Python or whether it's horrible histories but basically there's some absolutely wonderful stuff there going back to the 1950s so students can register for that said it's obviously free tool licenses and it is really a fantastic resource okay so if you go to the next page Chris this is just a screenshot of the home page of the video streaming platform and you just find it on the era website era.org.uk and you can go straight into that and search under various different terms and then on the next page Chris can you, yep brilliant we've got the should BBC Shakespeare archive and on the left is a picture of the home page of the archive on the right is the results of a search so very obvious one search for Hamlet 63 results amongst that a large number of different productions so that's actually very valuable in being able to compare different productions and different approaches and you can see we've got the RSC production, the Almeida production we also have a BBC productions one with the one with David Tennant and another an old production from 1964 you'll see Michael Cain in it he wasn't Hamlet he was a ratio Christopher Plummer as Hamlet and that production was the BBC marking 400th anniversary of Shakespeare's birth next page so what's planned well with the streaming platform Channel 4 content will be made available which is great because we know there's also a lot of stuff on Channel 4 that's useful for more practical and vocational subjects we're also producing resources for teacher training and education departments how do you use broadcast content effectively and also how do you use we've produced something called the natural curriculum which is a primary literary resource and we're going to be moving into maths and that is a very comprehensive literacy program for Key Stage 2 and it's all based of our natural history clips and so that really sparks the kids interest so that's something also we're creating resources around how to use that for those in teacher training departments we're also looking at we know one area which where there is a real opportunity to use broadcast resources and where more educational resources are required is functional skills in English and maths that's more relevant to the FE sector but actually those resources can be used for overseas students whose English perhaps isn't yet perfect and that's something we will be developing as well and finally we are adding third party suppliers those are others who are allowed to make recordings for you as it were so Bob is actually a third party supplier ClipView, PlanetEastroom and we have others Interfilm is one that has just signed an agreement and there are others who are interested so that should be bringing more content to you also with other tools and resources so that's it for me, thank you Thank you very much Helen that's really a great run down looking like the resources you've created are looking really good now that's been the plan for some time isn't it to create more of that curated content for education institutions so if anyone has questions for Helena about any of that or anything else related to ERA please either put your hand up or put a question in the chat Can I just ask a question actually Helena absolutely it was just when you said your streaming platform do students register themselves directly is that how you were saying it works so it's if an academic wants to register a teacher I mean we don't allow school little six year olds to register no, no, no students at FE colleges so sixth form colleges and university have you as an academic register and found some really interesting clips you could share with your students you could share the link to that particular I see, I see so that's how teachers would use it and it sounds great actually what you're doing with the teacher training resources as well because obviously there's so much potential for using audio visual material in teaching and getting that across to people as part of their teacher training yeah, seems to make lots of sense I'll just say our natural curriculum has already won three awards since it won so teachers do seem to like and find that very quite a comprehensive programme so the movement that should also be helpful okay Hazel's got a question yeah I don't know if you can see because I know you're looking on your phone but she's saying super video archive resources are they discoverable via Bob or is there a way to add records to a library catalog presumably you have to go on to your platform don't you to search for the resources well some of those Shakespeare programmes Bob will have available because it has access to the BBC archive it might not have the old ones because Bob tends to be limited to post 89 content and then we took that legal advice that said actually section 35 CDPA does allow us to go back in time as opposed to 89 being the starting point so I think some of that older Shakespeare content won't be on Bob it's certainly not organised in the same way it's not cataloged in the same way the clips no the clips are just through us but Hazel I don't understand that last part of your question but maybe something we can look into to see if there's a but I didn't quite understand what how that worked it was something to do about putting it on Hazel is your question sort of similar to I suppose I'm wondering if you're thinking I don't know if you've got audio and you can join us but is your question thinking along the lines of with the CLA extracts that you're not allowed to put them into the library catalogue so you're asking can you if you find a resource and you think it's broadly more useful can you create a record is that what you mean? Hi Hazel It was a lot less sophisticated than that it was a very librarians question I was thinking about academics and students coming across that great content and they might not if they had to go into a separate platform each time to think to look for it but they might even if it was in Bob with just a link linking out to say the Shakespeare archive saying this content exists and you can now go register to see it Okay yeah we could we could talk to Bob about that and the other thing we do is we do produce subject playlists where we actually and I don't I wonder if that would be useful to you as librarians to have some of those playlists where we pull together all the content we think is useful for a particular subject area I don't think it's necessary for the Shakespeare archive and that's something that the students would want to explore but for some of the clips it could be useful Thanks Thanks for the clarification I hope Hazel that answers your question That's great, thank you very much There's one final question I can see from Rohit who's saying can international students register on ERA and access the content so no it's it's linked to that section 35 UK legislation and ERA have been clear that that license is within the UK only Thanks for that Well thank you very much Halena I think we're going to move on to the next part of the section if anyone does have any questions clearly they can drop you a line and we will be returning to this topic in future sessions so what I'm going to do is return to where we were going we've not got a lot of time left but it was really just getting an idea from you what your plans are for the new term for teaching for your institution online face-to-face hybrid we're guessing most are in hybrid scenario what are the emerging copyright challenges how are policies and practices around risk management evolving so I'd give people an opportunity to pop answers or thoughts related to any of those questions put their hand up if they want to say or ask something in the meantime while you have a chance to think about that I was just briefly going to mention that conversations with NLA media access the newspaper licensing agency are continuing and the CNAC group we've been doing a lot of looking at numbers so we're really looking at licensed models and looking about what the implications might be moving from the current model to the new one as many of you will be aware we weren't able to agree a new license starting this summer but we are looking to do that for the next summer and we don't have Claire Kidwell on the line today talking about the printed music license there was some discussion earlier this year I haven't heard the decision was to roll that over for another year because the pandemic clearly had had a big impact on whether institutions could take up that new license for printed music so we will clearly get updates on that in due course I've just got a poll Chris in response to our first question so I thought we'd see what people might be thinking about the teaching can you see the responses as they're coming in I can see them but I don't think anyone else can okay I can see lots of people have responded we've still got about 16 who haven't but it's going down I'll just give it a couple more seconds so there is a question from Philippa that's just popped up providing some context to our answer at hybrid making sure a copyright check has happened on online course materials is anyone presenting academics with a checklist Philippa are you able to come on and explain what your checklist is and how that works or are you actually doing this or is it just a question it's just a question really I just aware that academics and materials to learning technologists and I kind of I don't actually know whether how that kind of what's the word it's not a border but there's a content how that's being managed and I would be interested to know how how that process is managed to make sure I suppose because I'm the copyright lover and copyright checks are made but that uses the word I mean it's before the lecturers just used to make the material go into a classroom now they're made online and yeah at that point I would like the copyright I kind of think it's a problem that the learning technologists might just put up what the academics send them maybe that's not an issue but I guess I've got some sense around that really okay certainly at our institution we're not presenting academics with a copyright checklist to work through systematically every time they ask for learning materials to be added but we are doing an awful lot of work around raising the awareness of copyright and putting that into processes seamlessly as possible we're getting some interesting in response aren't we as well and I see Deborah saying that e-textbooks continue to be a challenge I think a lot of people are having elements of face to face but obviously I don't think many institutions are saying that's it online kind of stops I think we've had quite a seismic change haven't we in the way people think about using technology now and particularly how people feel about large lectures and getting lots of students together in a room and things like that and I can see some things about face to face hybrids thirsty raising questions about capturing streaming lectures but moving to posher edtech as lecturers gain confidence Lisa your comment about providing access to films and TV shows and those outside the UK lots of questions that's a consistent one so we are planning on coming back to that issue and seeing where people are we all have that time we have reached the time so I think what I'm seeing in the comments is stuff that we've talked about in the past and continues to be an issue so we will be returning to those as we said shall we look at what is coming up let's do that so we've got a closed webinar happening on the 14th of September there's actually an event bright registration page which I think many of you have seen and we can pop that in the chat in a moment if not that's going to be looking at implications of controlled digital ending for UK academic libraries I just say there's hardly any spaces left at that session now so if you haven't registered you probably ought to do it pretty imminently otherwise you're not going to get a space and for kind of the more regular webinars we've got two topics lined up one we're definitely going to talk about audio visual works on the 24th of September with Bart Milletti from Learning on Screen we know that's something people want to return to we're hoping we can get Emily Hudson to join us for that as well and if not we're still certainly going to be highlighting I think she's planning on publishing some updated guidance for what she did last year so we will be returning to those topics yeah and then one topic that we've been discussing and it's partly in light of that Miami copyright conference that we were looking at was whether we do something in October on becoming a copyright specialist and the ways that people have learned about it and perhaps advertise a webinar that's not just for people who know lots about the topic already but might be interested in becoming a copyright specialist how did we so if you're somebody who's recently joined and kind of got up to speed with copyright you might want to drop us a line if you'd be interested in speaking at that session about how, what were the kind of key things that helped you become a copyright specialist oh you've put the CDL webinar in I found it okay well at the end now aren't we so we've just got one last thing to leave people with and I will move that slide on shall I this is something that's been amusing me binge watching late last night actually so if you're looking for something that is kind of all about the sort of exciting world of working in academia it's a fascinating series on Netflix I don't know if anyone else is watching that at the moment but yeah it's got Sandra Oh who many people know from killing Eve and she plays a sort of newly appointed chair in an English department and it's kind of it's simultaneously hilarious and kind of tragic so yes Ralph's watching it as well so okay I'm going to leave it there and stop the recording but we've got a couple of minutes if anyone's just hanging around want to say hi I might have to take my bunches out now but thank you to James thank you to Helena if they're still with us for their fantastic presentations today we'll make all the slides available at the end won't we yes well I hope so that is the plan