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I've watched a lot of your videos, seen your stuff with Joe Rogan, very powerful man and you're still hustling, you're still working hard. You're still constantly trying to progress and educate others. I always like to go back to the start of my guests, where they grew up and how they get involved in the later involved in now. So where was it you grew up? I'm from East Los Angeles. I was born at the end of World War II in Florida on a naval base. My dad was a naval air force. We moved to East Los Angeles where he was from and where my mother was from. And so I was in the barrio and so I got a lot of trouble. I tried to kill my teacher when I was in fifth, sixth grade, expelled from school three times and finally expelled from the school district. They wouldn't even take me in the district. They said, you got to move. And so my mother nagged my father into buying a house we couldn't afford in an area that was considered safer. But I found bad shit to do there. I mean, you know, try to burn the school down amongst other things. How'd you do? I wasn't very successful. I'm not a good arson. So that was one thing I ticked off not to try when I grew up. And I volunteered for the draft in 1966 at the height of the Vietnam conflict. And I went off and the military made a man out of me. And I was fortunate enough to be picked to go to officer school and I spent six months there and I came out. And so I was a young 21 year old, a second lieutenant and the world really changed for me. And that was the first high performance thing I had ever done where I was commissioned an officer. And in American service and here in Britain, you're considered an officer and a gentleman. I've been called a lot of things in my life, but a gentleman was not one of them. And so I really took it seriously. And when I got out of the military, I decided not that college education is a necessity. I decided to go back to university. I had flunked out three times before I left. I had been arrested five times, been in jail. But I came back, graduated. And then I went to Wall Street where the action was in those days, which was the early 70s. And the rest is more or less history. I found it invigorating, challenging every day. I used to work four or five days straight without going back to my apartment in Manhattan. And I'm not too different now. You had commented at the beginning of the interview how I'm still after at my age. And I don't know any difference. I still work 50, 60 hours a week, but I don't consider work because I love what I do. But back in those days when I was your age, I worked 100, 120 hours a week. I worked 12, 15, 18 hours a day. I slept on the floor of my office or I slept on my desk. And then I founded a company with 800 bucks, which is about nothing. And I floated it here on the London Stock Exchange. And so I turned 820 bucks into 450 million bucks about 35 years ago. And today's dollars, it'd be about a billion dollars. And that's pre-internet money. That's bricks and mortar. And I got thrown out of the company I founded by the shareholders because I wasn't the right kind of guy to be CEO of a public company. I went 60% of the stock, so I didn't really give a fuck what the shareholders said. So you were in control? Yeah, I was in control. And as soon as I lost control, I was out. How can you lose control? Because I sold stock off. I bought places like this. I used to have five big estates, and so I sold shares off at the appropriate time. And ultimately I went down below 50%. And as soon as I went down below 50%, the shareholders ousted me. And that was about 27 years ago. And about 26 years ago, I tried to figure what the fuck am I going to do. I was still relatively young. I was in my late 40s. And I decided, well, I'll coach. I'll see what I can show these kids how I did it. A kid from a bad neighborhood, got in trouble, went to jail, expelled from school, all these bad things, flunked out of university. And I've been doing it ever since. And when I started in May of 1993, I said I didn't like the idea of personal development, because personal development is not what I do. I wanted to change the way financial coaching was and where we actually were accountable. How much money did I get you to create from scratch? How much money did I get him to create from scratch? And so we set up a lot of very hard, stringent benchmarks. And 25 years later, an overnight success after 25 years, we created way in excess of 50 billion dollars with meatheads just like you. You know, just, you know, whether you have no education or a lot of education. And the system is renowned now. We have the processes, the systems, the procedures that allow somebody with no education, nae money to go out and create wealth. But I think that's a good thing for people watching that. Anybody can make anything in their life, no matter how fucked up your past is, no matter how old you are, because you haven't had it handed to you. People might look from the outside and think he's probably had the silver spoon, he's probably had it all easy, but it's not. The hustle, the 120 hours a week, the constant sleep on the fucking floor, the office and making it work. Correct. There's too many soft people in this generation. You can't even fucking say a joke anymore without people getting offended. Correct. So I think the hustle and the grind, it doesn't come easy. You've got to have the vision, but you've got to work your fucking ass off to get to where you want to belong. When you started all your being a rebel and basically causing havoc, where did that come from? Well, it came from, you had to be tough where I was raised. There was no soft people. Everybody was a hard ass. And if you weren't a hard ass, you got the shit dumped out of you every day. But the rebel part, I've always had high self-esteem. I didn't realize growing up that most people don't have self-esteem. I thought everybody did because my little group where my alpha male father had a lot of self-esteem. He was a war hero from the Second World War and the Korean War. And he had a lot of self-esteem. And the guys that he was around had a lot of self-esteem. And so I took advantage of that self-esteem and it was in a legitimate way. When one guy has self-esteem and 15 don't, it's very easy for that one guy to control the 15. And I utilized that in the financial world and I've been utilizing that. And now I teach the kids how to build self-esteem. Low self-esteem isn't a permanent thing. It's like a drug habit. You can get rid of it. But it's not easy. In fact, it's very, very difficult to get rid of it. But you can. But self-esteem is the basis of all high performance. And when you look around people like, like Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, they all have a lot of self-esteem. But what they also have, 98% of the people that are watching this, listening to this fall into one category. They're not alpha males. They're beta males or beta gals. 98% of the high performance people in the world are not loudmouth fucks like you and me. Okay. They're introverts. And Elon Musk, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett have one thing in common. They're introverts. They're introverts that are super smart and they're introverts that work 120 hours a week. Look at Warren Buffett. He's 88 years old, I believe. He still works 70, 80 hours a week at 88. He hasn't had to work in 40 years, 50 years. I haven't had to work in 35 years. Some of the kids, when I spoke at University of Edinburgh about a year ago to their business school, a couple of the guys and gals asked me, how do you get up in the morning when you haven't had to work in 35 years? How do you structure your day? Well, I don't think about the fact that I haven't had to work in 35 years. All I know is I continue to reset my goals, reset my goals higher and higher. I continue to make the benchmarks higher and higher and I make myself accountable. Nobody can make you accountable better than you. And so I just continue to drive myself. I think that's the best way and people ask in those questions. That's a weak mentality. Why do you need to do this and why do you need to do that? It doesn't matter how much money you have, whether it's a billion, 50 billion, 10 million. Everything's about progression. You're never going to be satisfied. You're never going to be happy at what you're achieving until you achieve more. For me personally, it's to set goals. When I set those goals and achieve those goals, that's when I get my buzz. That buzz only lasts for two, three hours and then it goes and then I need to jump on something else to create something else or create vision. Do you think all your boys through stuff when you were younger and your anger and frustration, when did you channel that into changing your life and creating your business? I channeled it when I saw how different I was. I channeled it that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. The meeting mouth that sits in the corner reading a book doesn't get much attention. The wallflower girl, Lassie, doesn't get much attention. I learned that the more I opened my mouth, I've refined my ability to talk and speak over the years. When I was a young guy, I was just pushy, obnoxious. Now they call me, I'm not pushy, obnoxious. I'm still pushy, but not obnoxious. It's hard to call somebody as much money as I have, obnoxious. So they just say I'm pushy, but I almost will never take no for an answer. I don't care. My reply to you if you say no to me is something I've requested. How can I make it so it's a yes? What can I change about the proposal? What about the structure? I normally turn half of the no's into yes's because normally it's something you said, you did. It's not like the Glasgow football, the Rangers versus the Celtics. It's not that kind of thing. It's not ingrained that they were raised to say no to you. They said no based on you didn't tick one of the boxes. So when you learn to push the right buttons as my Yorkshire wife would say, to push the right buttons, you know how to narrow it down to turn some of those no's into yes's. I said before we got on air, when I came to Scotland it was five million people 35 years ago. Today as we sit here for this podcast, there's five million people. There's a reason for that. Whereas the rest of the economies have grown so rapidly, it's because Scotland is, when I moved here they said we're in the 40s. Here, 40s. So I said well in the 1940s and not in the 1840s, not the 1940s. There's still things here. My neighbor across the street has been here 200 years his family. The other families around here look down upon him because he's only been here 200 years. And they've been here 500 years, 600 years, 700 years. This castle celebrated its 550th anniversary last year. 550 years, the Guthrie's. Yeah, I read about the Guthrie clan and the contacts and the William Wallace stuff. And let's get some amount passed through behind it. The Willie Wallace in 1296 sailed from Arbroath to Calais to pick up Willie Wallace and bring him back here to fight the English. And in 1468 James III of Scotland gave Guthrie, Sir John Guthrie, 500,000 hectares, which is about a million acres, for some great thing that he did during fighting the English. I mean he killed a lot of English is basically what he did. But the Guthrie estate used to be from here up to Aberdeen. Chunks of Scotland from here to Aberdeen were Guthrie. And this when I bought it in 84, this was the last bastion of the Guthrie clan. And Ivan the Terrible, Colonel Ivan Guthrie had just passed away. And so when I bought it, they were going to turn this into time shares. And so I more or less saved it. And we live in all the rooms, all the 55,000 square feet. And subsequently about 20 years ago I built the golf course. And we have our own private golf course here. But to our kids, our daughter was raised here, or born here, I should say, in Dundee. And our two sons were raised here. They used to have real, real thick accents. But they've lived in America now for a long, long time and they've lost those accents. But when our youngest son was named Derek Stewart. And you could cut his accent with a chainsaw. How do you, can you understand the language okay? Now when I get up in the Shetlands and places, you know, I'm not sure anybody can understand it. We were talking earlier and you said you were in Govan trying to get your passport. That's a rough ass part of town. It's a rough ass fuck. It's really rough. It's funny to hear such a wealthy man in a successful business manager to be speaking about Govan. Because there's a lot of poverty in Glasgow. There's a lot of tough air. It's a fucking tough city. It's really tough. But again, you can get stuck in that, you can be a product to your environment, you can get stuck in that routine where the drinking of violence becomes your life and you don't see a way out. It's very difficult. I don't know many people who has changed their life and changed their mindset and changed their belief system to go to know what. Fuck this. I'm going to change. I'm going to change everything about my life. It's difficult, though, because the patterns that we do on a daily basis repeat themselves. So to break the patterns it becomes uncomfortable for people. That's why they go back and they sit in their life of fucking misery because it's easier for them. It's what they know. For the people who are watching, who want advice, how to change or how to be ruthless. I watch your videos and the way you speak for a Glasgow guy, it's funny because we swear a lot. But people can be put off and pushed to go fuck. He's crazy. But I believe we're all crazy. I think people just hide it better than others. Why would you give up for people to maybe jump on it? There's three benchmarks. One of which we can't do anything about, which I'll talk about first. The first seven or eight years of life is self-esteem is built. Who are you around in the first seven or eight years? Your mum, maybe a dad, an older brother or sister, right? And maybe a grandparent. You can't do anything about those. And what do those three or four or five people know about building self-esteem or building a high-performance person? Nothing. Fuck all. Now, you're now 15 years old. Show me your friends and I'll show you your future. You're the average of the five to seven people that you hang with, chill with, your mates you go out to the fucking pub with. Most of the people that are listening to this, those mates are fucking booms. They don't deserve to be alive. They should have rolled down the inside of their momma's leg. Fuck them. So the easiest way to change, and I had a criminal, a very well-known criminal, which I won't say his name. Not the one you interviewed, another one though. I'll get one if she were next. And he was here in the late 90s and I told him the easiest way. In those days we had block phones that looked like this, cell phones that looked like this, bricks. And I told him, I said, when you go back to London, change the phone number and say in the message, if you don't have my phone number, fuck off, you're out of my life. A year or two later I bumped into him in London at a restaurant and I said, how does it go? And he said it's going terrific and that idea you about changing the phone number was great until my mother got the message. Most of the people that we attract people, the law of self-attraction, they're talking about positive attraction, but it also works in a negative way. Most of the people that we are associating with remind us of ourselves. They don't remind us of some world class Olympian or they don't remind us of Andrew Carnegie who just comes from down the road here, arguably the richest guy who ever lived. And he left, depending on what story you want to believe, either between 7 and 12 years old, but they leave that environment. But it's very difficult for you to close down Facebook, take all the phone numbers in your, they don't call them Rolodex anymore, but whatever your iPad or whatever it is, and switch them out. And one of the things and the kids that are the most successful and the reason why I'm more successful in many regards with young kids, they don't have as much negative baggage. You know, my current phenom who's not a teenager anymore is 21, Josh Kim, you know, didn't have a lot of negative baggage because he was only 17 years old when he came here. The guys that are 45, 50, 55 have been through a lot of shite and it's difficult for them. First of all, they've got mortgages to pay, car payments, perhaps school payments, school for their kids if they go to a private school. They've got to support a mum, maybe a drunken dad, a drug addict brother. OK, it's very difficult. I'm not suggesting they do that. Just cut them all off. Of course, but it is a very lonely journey. People don't know how to be themselves. There's no creativity, there's no individuality. And like you said there, the people who surround yourself with the people you've become, it's a reflection image. If you're fucked up in the head, a lot of relationships, a lot of my ex-girlfriends were fucking crazy. The reason being because I was crazy. I was fucked up. I didn't know who I was. So you attract, I believe everything's frequencies. I believe you attract who you are, like attracts like as well. And it's difficult because to change your life and to be successful is fucking lonely. I've experienced this the last year. I don't speak to people, but then people think I'm getting above my station where I don't care about them or he forgets where he's came from. I'm not. I just want a better life for me and my kids. Did you ever experience that yourself when it was lonely as fuck? The Eagles fly alone. OK. Eagles fly above the clouds. All the other dipshit birds fly in the clouds. OK. Punchins? Yeah. And so, but Eagles fly alone. Warren Buffett, Elon Musk, those kind of people don't hang. They don't chill. They don't go to the World Cup. They don't go to the World Basketball Championships. They don't go to the Masters. They don't go to the Open Championship. They don't go any fucking place. All they do is work. And the only friend possibly that Bill Gates has is Warren Buffett, his mentor. OK. And I understand I've got three guys. I used to have five guys, two are dead now. Three guys that I've known since I was a boy. We're all poor and we're all successful. I'm the most successful. We see each other once or twice a year. We have a dinner. We talk about the old times. And then I'll see you next year. That's it. I'm the only one of the three that drinks. Fox senior, ain't I? I'm the only one that drinks. And they all tell the story, which is G story. I'm 17 years old and my dad's a cop, remember. OK. My dad went to some police convention, LAPD, and he wasn't supposed to be back till the Monday. So on the Sunday we had a party at my house and I drank so much that they thought I was dead. They pronounced me dead. OK. About the same time that 999 guys are pronouncing me dead, my dad rolls up a day early. OK. And everybody scatters because my dad was a badass. And so they're saying that they were afraid that you came just at the wrong time, sir, your son's away. He kicks me in the fucking ribs. I sit up. He says, I know the lazy fucking. Get up. Get to your room. I'll deal with you later. He didn't give a shit I almost died. All I know is that we had trashed the house, drank all the alcohol that was in the house. And he was embarrassed. The neighbors, he went around and apologized to all the neighbors. Because when you fucked them up in a bad neighborhood, they looked down and said, I apologize. I apologize. I'm going to take care of Danny. Don't worry. I'm going to take care of him. And when my dad was extremely hard on me and when his brother and sister, older brother and sister, you say, you know, you're really rough on Danny. Because he used to beat me like, I mean, physically beat me like a rented meal. And he turned to his sister and said, well, how's your program working out with your crack whore daughter? And he turned to his brother and said, how's your program working out with your San Quentin, that's a prison, San Quentin ridden son? You leave me running my family. And of course, then, you know, I was the other of my relatives weren't successful. I have a cousin who went to jail for stabbing a guy 17 times for saying his girlfriend had a big ass. Stab him 17 times. By the grace of God, he didn't know how to stab because the guy didn't die. Do you think that helped you though? Your dad beating the shit out you to become ruthless? My dad believed children are seen and not heard. Seen. And when my dad told me to stand right there, short of a tsunami knocking me down, I didn't move. One day, three days, four months, I didn't move because he'd beat the fuck out of me. Did you ever get help or did you ever go to a psychologist or anything? Or did you just deal with it yourself? I just dealt with it. Just fucking basically take the reins? Well, back in the 50s and early in the 60s, psychologists were for cunts. That's true. They're up the ass with the money they make for the scenes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, and they just sit there and listen all that. Then what else? Yeah, we didn't seek any therapy. But I mean, I am crazy. There's no question about it. Everybody's crazy. I think people hate it better than others. A lot of people are in denial. San Quintin, who was the guy? Was it Johnny Cash? Song about the song. Yeah, correct. He sang it there. Yeah, he went to prison and sang it. Yeah, he was another fucking nutcase. I think, oh, yeah, that's a success. I think you've got to be psychotic to get to a certain level, especially that you're at. You've got to be ruthless, cutthroat, to be the workload. And you have to be selfish. Yeah. You can't love anybody else. You can't be a good father, good son, whatever, unless you love yourself first. You take care of yourself first, both physically and mentally. Then you can take care of other people. Love is within and it's cheesy and people go off fucking shut up. But love is within. If you love yourself, then everything else that comes into your life, I believe, becomes a bonus. The way you were raised, how did you then raise your kids? Was it more stability? Tough love. Tough love. My dad, I believe, invented tough love in the 50s. He probably didn't. But I mean the tough love. I was hard. And especially now, we have kids that come to the seminar here that have never been in a schoolyard fight, have never been disciplined by their parents. I mean spanked or hit. Never yelled at by their parents. They wouldn't say shit if it was in their mouth. Okay? And that's why I come up with a phrase snowflake. Because they melt under pressure. Okay, we have a snowflake test. If somebody spit in your mother's face, you have four alternatives. The most used alternative on that test, as God is my witness, I would try to ascertain what kind of day he was having. The guy that spit in your mom's face. Instead of picking up a fucking pipe and leaving his brains on the fucking sidewalk. That's true. In my neighborhood, the spit wouldn't even hit their mom's face before the guy would be on him. But do you think these people can try and educate themselves too much without actually fucking living? If you're going to go to schools and raise with the Silver Spoon and reading all these books and go to all these seminars, how can you live? It's trial and error. I think you've got to make mistake after mistake after mistake so you can learn. Like you say, if you get a no, even though you're asking what did I do wrong or how can I get a yes, that's giving you improvement what you can work on for your next interview. Correct. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. The kids have been convinced wrongly, they're listening to podcasts and researching stuff on the internet is taking action. That's not taking action. Fucking pulling the trigger and doing it trial and error just as you alluded to a minute ago. It's trial and error. Most of the stuff I know is because I've been involved in every kind of happening possible. When I spoke at Oxford a couple of years ago, one of the guys in the front row said, do you realize that I've read 700 books on personal development? And I commented, well, I didn't know there was 700 books on personal development. Then a guy that was sitting two spaces over said, who would you rather have, somebody that is advising you, counseling you, mentoring you, a person that has read 700 books or a person that has done 700 transactions? Well, I've done many more than 700 transactions, but I mean, I want the person that's got some grey hair, bald head wrinkles that has lived life advising me, not some guy that's some academic that has read 700 books. Did you kill a bear? Yes. How's that story? How the fuck did you kill a bear? Did they not kill you? Try and kill you? Of course it did. It was like going to a ranger, you know, football. I mean, same thing, you're a Celtic, you know? I haven't killed anything since 1991, but around 1990, I went from hunting with a rifle, which I'm a really, not a world-class shot, but almost a world-class shot to hunting with a big handgun, and you got to get pretty close to hunting with a big knife. OK. And so I wanted a Kodiak bear to my collection. I have a trophy room here. Is that it? Yeah, at that end of the castle. And so I slowed down the bear with a handgun. At that time, the largest handgun on the planet was called the 454 Council. And the bullets, each bullet was about as big as your thumb like this. And so I hit the bear three, four times and slowed it down. It wasn't dead yet. And then I jumped on it with a knife. And I don't really have any recollection because the adrenaline was pumping so hard. I have no recollection other than when it was dead and I was sitting on top of it. That's the next thing I remember. But the hunter that I was with, the guide said that my arm was going up so fast, it blurred like a piston because I was going like that. And so I did. And it's in the trophy room. It's sitting in there, seven feet tall. But then, about that same timeframe, I was in Australia. You've probably seen the movie Crocodile Dundee. Well, there's a real guy named Crocodile Dundee. His name is Barry Lees. He's dead now. And I went down to hunt with him and I wanted a huge buffalo. A huge water buffalo. And so we went and there was a certain area in Northern Australia near Darwin. It had a pond, a little pond about as big as this room. And he says he should be there about sunset. We'll go over there. And when he's there, I'll throw some pebbles on him from that side of the pond. And he'll jump up and he'll go this way because he can't get over this big log, he said. Anyway, a man plans God laughs. He threw the pebbles. The buffalo did exactly the opposite of what the fucking moron said he would do. And he jumped out of the pond and he ran right over the top of me. And as he went over the top of me, I was hunting with the big pistol. Just as one of his hoofs hit me here and one of his hoofs, excuse me, one of his hoofs hit me here and one of his hoofs hit me here. And as I fell down, I squeezed off and the bullet went through his chin, through his nose, but missed his brain. And so he's running off into the jungle. So then I chased him down for about a kilometer, a kilometer and a half. And I'm firing at him as we're going along. And I couldn't tell if I was hitting him because he wasn't slowing down any. And so then all of a sudden he spins around just like in the movies. He goes like this and he charges and I go just when he's about where that camera is, I pull the trigger again. It goes click. I'm empty. And he falls dead at my feet though. I hit him all four times. But what Barry Lee's was screaming at me, you're out of ammo. You're out of ammo because the 454 console when he has five shells, not six. And we're used to hunting with a handgun. Normally they have six. So you're used to the six shell. So about that same timeframe I decided it was time for me to pack it in. I had a couple of close calls and I was still alive. Still hit the two of the two. Did you not get your buffalo on here? Yeah, I got buffaloes. You walked right underneath them. The one you killed? Yeah, you walked right underneath them in that hall. The big hall. Two buffaloes, a cape buffalo and a water buffalo. How do you have fun in and obviously you need a break to take your mind off shitting? Is that where you had your buzz and had your experience of life and living to get out hunting? That's what I thought at the time. I saw a lot of wealthy guys go hunting or climbing mountains and stuff like that. That was a thing then. So it's not as much now of course now with political correctness nobody wants to kill anything and it's too easy to kill animals. I'd rather kill people. Yeah, it's a killer's way out. I think it's... especially if you've got dogs as well. I think. Yeah, but then it was then a thing again product to your environment. Other people did that. If you're surrounded with them it became probably normal to you because you're not shy of injuries. You've had operations fucking everywhere in your body. Knees, shoulders. Correct. But you've had a lot of weight training. Yeah, I used to be a big weight lifter but I used to warm up with now is what I lift now because I'm about 50% weaker than I was back in my heyday 20-some years ago. But we have a gym here. We actually have two gyms. Sure. But the kids today find reasons or they find things to do to really procrastinate to not take action. But you've got to love. You've got to have a passion for what you do. If you don't, it gets tired. Alistair Cook, the great presenter, BBC presenter told me about 30, 35 years ago. Being a high performance professional is being able to do your very best when you don't feel like it. When you don't. And I've had days, not every day, do I want to speak when I'm at the University of Oxford, University of Edinburgh, whatever. But they don't know it. As far as they get concerned, I looked like I was born that night. But I was taught high performance people don't leave anything on the stage. On athletic endeavors, I never left anything on the field. In public speaking, I don't leave anything on the stage. I'm fully spent then each day. I think that's where your success comes in though because a lot of people, you're not motivated 24 seven. You give me one or two days a week where you're motivated. The rest you need to fucking earn that. But that's where you'll get your results. The days you can't be fucked doing anything in days. You can't be asked getting up at half four in the morning. Everybody's got a blueprint in their mind who they want to be. I think it was Andy Carnegie who did the What's the Napoleon Hill book. I think it grew rich. I think it grew rich. We interviewed the top 40 most successful people in the world. I think it took them 20 years to do it. Write the book. Success leaves clues. Those men were up at four AM. Those men were putting in 20 hour shifts. And there's always again model armies to realise that there's something that happens but nobody does it. I'll take it off on what you just said. Success leaves clues if the high performance people that we've alluded to so far during this interview don't hang out. Don't go to the Super Bowl. Work 15, 18 hour days. Have no friends. I mean, what does it take? A sledgehammer to hit the kid in the head to understand that they're doing the antithesis of that. They're doing the absolute opposite of that. That's why their results are de minimis. They're not worth a shit. The kids today and what I believe the political correctness movement which is a manifestation of lack of self-esteem it's hard to find anybody with self-esteem. It's doubly hard to find somebody with self-esteem that's got some balls. I'm not saying it's impossible but it's pretty well next impossible. One of the reasons we started boxing at the seminars is that some of the kids have never been hit. Some of the kids have never been slapped. So to see the fear in their eyes when they get ready to get up in the ring it's quite remarkable. It's hard for me to believe that you can be 35 years old and never been in one confrontation in your whole fucking life. It's just hide from the pain and try to live in a bubble where life's great and life's fucking tough. There are obstacles every single day. You have family members dying. I've lost family members through murder, suicide, overdose but it's all part of the struggle and realising that this is fucking life. They lie down and die or they accept it and move on to progress and realise I don't want to die the same as everybody else. I want to leave a fucking legacy from a guy from somewhere like Govan to be sitting in a castle speaking to yourself. Again, you've got to believe in yourself. You've got to fucking work hard and get up at half four. Does anybody, when you do, let put them into a boxing ring? Do they ever quit, walk out, fuck this? We've had a couple that were getting beat up so bad not really beat up, beat up but beat up so bad that they just kind of cower up against the ropes. About 90% of the kids get in the ring. The 10% normally it's because they there's something wrong with them that they can't get in but we've had some we've had people knocked out we've had a call 999 a couple of times they had a lot of blood on the floor of the ring and my goddamn staff scrubbed it all up. I want to see the fucking blood. I don't want to scrub up, goddamn it. How does that help them progress? When they're going to call on the former chairman of the Royal Bank of Scotland that's not hard getting punched in the fucking face is hard and if they can get punched in the face then call on the Royal Bank of Scotland. Correct. To toughen up basically because we do live in a very soft in generation everybody's weak we spoke about it earlier but you can't say a fucking joke without people getting offended is this where the 98% are scared, weak, living fear? Absolutely. We can't change it, there's no way that percentage is going to rise any time soon because social media has fucked with people's mind has become the biggest addiction I believe on this planet. People are looking at a screen and looking at other people, live their dreams and ambitions and the majority of people who think they're living a great life aren't anyway because if you're living a great life you don't need a fucking post about it how do we change that mindset? What do you think things should be put in place under school and do away with social media? One of the things that I require for the kids to come to the program is they sign off Facebook close it down. How did it do? Some of them are addicted to it but they do it and all of a sudden they have all kinds of free time because there was a study done by Gallup in America and I would assume it's roughly the same here that 40% of the time that your employees or have their computer on at work, they're not doing work they're fucking around. Because on your seminars you get people to be on time do their homework because if they're not, they're straight out the door. Correct and have to progress like this during the seminar. First impressions, you always speak about it why is that so important to you? Because when you're going in and our system is based on not using your money because almost all the kids don't have any money but using somebody else's money and when the two biggest levers in life are other people and other people's money if you're going to use somebody else's money and you walk in looking like a freak with earrings in your nose and tattoos on your face what kind of confidence is that in still? So for you what did you think? What drives you then? Is it money or is it just the drive to succeed, keep progressing No, my drive now is to when they put dirt on me someday is to I'm already the most successful high performance wealth coach on the planet just by the fact of the numbers that we've produced nobody else talks about numbers because nobody else produces numbers everybody else is afraid to keep track of the numbers because they're nonexistent we're really at 665 billion now the 50 billion dollar if someday I have to go to court one guy will come in and testify I generated 56 billion dollars under Dan's leadership one guy we don't have to have more than one witness in that trial one witness but we're really at 665 billion and the my goal is when I hit a trillion I'll probably hang it up I'll probably hang it up, that'll be it and that's going to be sometime as soon as nearly possible I'm not waiting until I'm 90 I'm 85 I'm not waiting until I'm 80 but as soon as nearly possible but I want to go out with the mantra being the greatest of all time you're fucking right on course so that's what drives you to be the best number one did you have the biggest deal in the planet 500 billion? that was Neom the joint venture between Saudi Arabia Egypt and Jordan it's a 25,000 square kilometer a new city being built on Saudi Arabia's land was headed up by Dr. Klaus Kleinfeld my man T of 20 years and that's the biggest deal it is now though much more than that the world bank has committed 2.5 trillion dollars the international monetary fund has donated or committed 2.5 trillion so that's 5 trillion dollars added on to the 500 million so it's really 5.5 trillion dollars but I'm not going to call myself the 5 trillion dollar man in fact I didn't wear it today but I have suits like a McGregor it says 50 billion dollar man down the pinstripes yeah I fucking love that so I'll be the 50 billion dollar man til we hit a trillion that's unbelievable Dan do you have a few accomplices do you feel satisfied no I'm never satisfied nothing's ever enough because I watched a lot of your videos because I know you were coming on a lot of these people promote themselves as money money money money money money but yourself you've watched a couple of times and you say money's not everything which I agree because money makes the world go round we need money to do things I do a lot of homeless stuff so for me to be successful I generate the more people I can help so it becomes important to make money people say oh you're working too hard why are you never sleeping, why are you never out because I want to create something to leave a legacy to create change and for me to create change I need enough funds to start making these changes and put things in place and you have says a lot a few times that money's not everything it's not everything but it's the only thing anybody keeps track of but I tell the kids you want to save the world I'm not a save the world guy I don't give a shit to go down the toilet but if you want to save the world go create a product or a service that changes a billion lives like Zuckerberg and Facebook and then take that money that you make off that product or service and then go change the rainforest or whatever but just carrying placards around embassies doesn't change anything the kids that want to save the world we teach we coach, we mentor that they have to create something that's worth something to a billion people and by definition you get super wealthy and you'll be able to make your dent in changing the world Warren Buffett Bill Gates and that elk they made tons of money before they started changing the world only in recent years have they tried to change the world and stopped stop malaria help the rainforest reduce the decreasing the rainforest but they've been super super wealthy a long long time I always think the world when humans are long gone I think the world will always reproduce itself will always grow into be the place it's going to be because you spoke about global warming and you said it was a lot of shite well yeah in my opinion it's not global warming it's climate change now there's only been 11 teams that have been to both the north and the south pole since Omnison discovered the south pole in 1911 only 11 teams 11 10 are dead you're looking at half of one team my wife and I are the 11th team that have been to both motherfucking poles with scientists and all these cock suckers are fflapping their fucking lips about global warming they never been to the fucking poles let alone both poles Sally and I have stood on the motherfucking X the points to the north pole magnetic and the south pole it is climate change when the scientists told me in the south they've taken about 5,000 core samples these tubes of ice by the way the south pole is on a mountaintop not many people realize that so you can suffer from oxygen deprivation I went through about 15 or 20 of these cores and they said 200,000 years ago it was this temperature and 55,000 years ago it was 2 degrees celsius warmer than it is today I said excuse me doctor stop and how can you be assured of that and we're plus or minus 1 millionth of a percent or some crap like that and then I said what about global warming all 11 of the scientists started laughing at the same time like you know a laugh that you do how to get in a comedy store eh I couldn't stop laughing ok and he says it's a load of shit everybody knows it and subsequent to that in the last few years the government has said how they made a mistake it's climate change and the world is going to end in 4.5 billion years anyway who gives a shit I think but there's that the media has got a lot to do with it it's just like Trump now he's not a Russian spy but do you listen to the news on CNN that he's not a Russian spy even though the Mueller report came out and said he's not a Russian spy because you're friends with Trump? not friends I full disclosure I knew the president 25 years ago we were in the same not social circles but we used the same lawyers but speaking of President Trump I met five presidents none of them in the White House almost everybody that meets the presidents in the White House but all the five presidents I've met have been either social none of them in the White House but I knew President Trump before he was president he's a fucking character he's a hard ass and the hardness and harshness he shows now he's a thousand times harder than that he's trying to be good he's trying his best to be good do you think men that caliber including yourself are that fucking crazy they're hard anybody that is attained mammoth success that's not hard as fucking nails Mark Zuckerberg looks quite soft though he's an introvert but he's hard working wise work ethic belief system to create things that's changed the world what's your plans for the future then for change I'm going to continue to give the seminar there's no guarantee that I'm only committed to this year the but I'll probably give the seminar a couple more years I enjoy it though it's not it's hard work when I'm up there for ten hours but I mean all I have to do is roll down from my master bedroom down the hall down to the pavilion so I mean it's not like I gotta go any place because you do your seminars on the house in the pavilion down about 150 meters from here but two thirds of my time is pro bono I give it away I speak at universities for free they don't pay me any honorarium I go there on my own nickel I speak the privilege of speaking as I said earlier about a year ago at University of Edinburgh I spoke at the United States Naval Academy a few weeks ago I speak at worldwide universities I don't have enough time to go to the university so what I do is I plug in with my other charitable work so we can travel to a university to speak I'm planned, I'm speaking on September 12th I believe it is at the University of Pennsylvania where President Trump at the school so I do a lot of stuff for veterans right now I'm working on a TV show and a book with William Morris my agents the so yeah I keep busy I mean every single day I work we just got back yesterday from a 25 day road trip living in hotels that went from here to Hawaii to Los Angeles to Ohio to New York to London back to here and the and it's part of our life it's our life cycle you put a lot of people in their 20s and 30s to shame where your work ethic clearly shows the results because the results don't come easy but they speak for themselves that your work ethic is second to none I've never heard anybody travel as much and work as much as you and no disrespect for your age but it puts a lot of people to fucking shame that it's embarrassing compared to some people is there any certain areas where they've got a great belief they've got a great work ethic they're no so soft they listen and educate themselves to better their life as a certain New York City has the best work ethic on the planet New York City 24-7 and that's why the famous song if you can make it in New York you can make it anywhere Los Angeles has much less work ethic because I think the sun bakes the brains too much the Hawaii's got a less of a work ethic I just came from a wedding there London's got a pretty good work ethic but not like New York City Russia has a tremendous work ethic because under communism you worked or died so then give any choice but it's tough we've had almost two full generations of laziness built in and that laziness manifests itself into what we call political correctness sometimes it's even considered impolite to work too much you don't want to make your colleagues feel bad so will you work in two extra hours make sense well I don't give a fuck if I make them feel bad okay I think Amazon has got the best work model of any company in the last 50 years and there was a great article in the New York Times a couple of years ago the average minimum work hours Amazon is 80 hours 80 hours to keep your job 85 hours a week to be considered for a promotion 90 hours plus to get a promotion and it's the fastest growing most lucrative business model that's been created in the last 20, 25 years it was the largest market cap company in the world a couple of months ago now it's maybe the second or third and they don't pay dividends and that work ethic is not imposed by Jeff the CEO founder it's imposed by the employees if you want to go leave to go see your baby born they shame you to come right back but again there's a photo of the first office of Amazon and it's like a four feet eight feet room it's fucking tiny to where it is now to believe in the self and to work on it and create mass changes because it's Amazon will be about forever do you think stuff like YouTube, Amazon Google do you think it will ever be bought out it's too expensive I think they're too big Facebook, Google Amazon are just are too huge I don't ever see Amazon acquiring Google or Google acquiring Facebook but those are three companies that you probably could bet a lot of money they're never going to be acquired doesn't mean they're not great companies I mean the huge 20 years ago there was no Google I think 15 years ago there was no Google just look at it now it's unbelievable how fast it's growing but it's unbelievable also how 15 years can change our whole life as well just how we work and believe on it president Nixon he was presidential I was a young army officer and I was part of a security detail that was guarding him when he was traveling to NATO 1967 1968 and he just he wanted to know your name I'm not saying other presidents don't but I met John Kennedy as a young teenager working at the 1960 Democratic Convention at the LA Convention Center I at that time thought I was a a moderate Democrat I wasn't old enough to vote yet I met him then I met Nixon when I was in the military as a young army officer I met George Bush 1 he was a neighbor of mine when I had a running a big company in Houston, Texas I met president Clinton when I was on the board of directors of the university I went and there was a big earthquake that flattened it and he and his wife came to visit the devastation of the earthquake and I got to meet him and then of course I knew Trump before he was president and the so it's unusual that I met five presidents none of which are in the White House but the Nixon is truly there are all the people I just mentioned gifted smart but Nixon was he was probably other than Bush 1 was probably the best trained guy to become president and he had his eye on being president ever since he was a young lawyer the it's the world but it's a different place than 50 years ago believe me I mean it doesn't hardly resemble the only thing that's probably the same as 50 years ago is Scotland and it's going to be the same for the next 50 years yeah I mean it's but it's a lovely but I don't want 10 million people living here I didn't come here to have neighbors yeah and it is it's one of the most beautiful countries in the world it is it's stunning the people are crazy for yourself Dan what's good leadership skills because I know you are ruthless but to be a true leader you've got to lead by example and I believe you do that and do you put so much pressure on people where they fucking break or do you put enough on them where you try to build them up no you put them right up to the breaking point then pull them back ok people don't do what you tell them to do they do what they see you do if you're a leader that comes in at 6.30 in the morning even though the work day doesn't start till 8.30 the employees will probably come in at 7.30 if they see you working until 8 o'clock at night even though the work day is over at 4.30 or 5 they may not stay till 8 o'clock at night but they'll probably work till 6.30 7 o'clock at night so the same with raising kids kids don't do what you tell them to do they do what they see their parents do that's why so many kids are snowflakes because their parents are snowflakes so leadership starts with you and the examples you set but you have to lead by example you have to work I know guys that are wealthy that come to work at 11, go to lunch go to the gym and then go home and they want to know why they're not as productive as they should be but you have to keep your employees accountable what gets measured gets accomplished when I'm in marketing in sales we check results daily not weekly, not quarterly not monthly, daily when I come into the sales room I don't say did we do any sales today how many fucking sales did we do and then because I came up sales which is unusual but I could pick up the fucking phone and give me two sentences on this prospect hi how are you ma'am this is Rufus Dufus calling from Glasgow oh yeah I know they call us Weegees and I'll show them how to sell myself because there's a great saying it's a thousand sheep a thousand sheep led by a lion will always be a thousand lion led by a sheep saying with the leadership you can make anybody fearless you can make anybody believe that they're a warrior you can make anybody believe that they can achieve anything and that's where a true leadership comes down and I don't think there's enough role models for people to look up to and go I want that because again it's a softened generation everybody's fucking weak everybody's scared to make moves everybody's scared to hurt people's feelings people laugh and feel good and love me as well but there comes a time you've got to cut all ties you've got to surgically remove those people who are weighing you down when I give a talk at a school or a business I spoke to Hyperloop group Hyperloop is the thing that was initiated by Elon Musk about the tube that's going to run under the ground is a fast subway tunnels and I say not just to them but to everybody I speak to if you like me at the end of my talk I didn't do my job I'm not here for you to like me I'm not here to insult you but I will I'm not here to criticize your race your ethnicity or religion but I will I'll do whatever it fucking takes to drag your sorry ars across the go line punch you spit on you slap you it doesn't make a difference to me I'm not a fucking friend by a fucking dog I'm not here to be your friend 24 how many a year do you do this year we'll do 10 I haven't done a seminar outside this a seminar since 1999 everybody all over the world comes what's your success rate for people 100% no fucking about they always learn something 100% a quarter of them will become multi millionaires we had a kid here an educated kid 45 years old he doesn't like to be telling this story his benchmark for success in other words what's my return on investment going to be that's not how I look at it but that's just from the seminar seminar cost roughly $20,000 it's okay it says so okay so how many times am I going to get my $20,000 back I said I don't know it's up to you kid 10 months later Sally and I having a drink with him in New York City at the Lowe Hotel he had just made 30 million in 10 months about 20 million sterling more or less and Sally said when he walked into the room the bar he kind of had a glow on him and you know how back to the future that skateboard that they float on his feet weren't even touching the fucking ground I mean it's an illusion he came he had a smile this fucking wide okay he sat down and he says well thank you thank you and he said I remember how you asked me he says yeah I know it I got a thousand times my money back because he gave 10 million to his people that's not very Scottish and he kept 20 million a Scott would keep 29 million at 900,000 and give a hundred grand to his family okay but that happens all the time but he did he followed the steps you know and it's quite remarkable I'm following and copying mimicking modeling under Carnegie's model that's the model I use and he was using it 140 years ago and it's commercial debt driven no equity involved commercial debt that means bank debt because the little mean weegee mean meaning cheap not weegee Scott didn't like giving up ownership in his deal so he used commercial debt is that one of the reasons why you came to Scotland well no I didn't know I was going to be a coach when I came to Scotland I came to Scotland to be near the home of golf I used to be a fanatic and I used to play St Andrews and Carnousty I used to I had a caddie at the old course and I had a caddie at Carnousty I used to be a psychopath I don't think fuck holes changed no no no I always do everything to access I mean the yeah but I that's why I came here I also came because I was concerned about kidnapping our kids were little and I was a high profile person and this we had security the former head of security for the Royal Yacht Britannia for the Queen was our head of security here retired Royal Marine and the and because this is a good place to defend there's not a lot of there's a lot of open ground between around the castle people with rifles, hide in the trees correct correct because for people who don't know Andy Carnegie it was at steel he was involved in America he actually invented the steel industry because if you listen to his videos in the 30s and 40s it talks about the law of attraction as well the mindset he's dead already but what you're listening to is Napoleon Hills about Andy Carnegie, Andy Carnegie died in 1919 yeah he's reading Andy Carnegie's stuff but it's about the law of attraction and the belief in what you think you attract which you're up in you know I believe it but too many people use it the opposite because they're negative they attract negative people the law of attraction is supposed to be you're positive so you attract positive people but remember show me your friends and I'll show you your future the average of the five six or seven people and most people that are listening to this not just this here but most people around the world the five or six or seven people would you like to be measured when you die by the five mates that you had another way of asking it would you like your kids, you have two kids would you like your kids to grow up and be like your mates no no fucking way would you like your kids to grow up and be like your parents no fucking way would you like your kids to grow up you're kind of reform now would you like your kids to grow up and be like you used to be no fucking way so I answer it and those are the kind of people you attract and that's a great way to put it lead by example and be the vision be the role model I want my kids to be proud of me I want to leave a fucking legacy I want people to be proud I want people can change when you see someone done do you know someone's got it or else they've not got it do you know 90% of the time I smell fear I smell death and I know the difference between shite and reality and I can tell if you just read a personal development book last month I can tell you which book it is just because of the phrases and the nomenclature you use you're trying to utilize that you learned from the book and I have the second slide of my seminars is a big picture of a Jurassic Park where they show dinosaur shit it's about 8, 9 feet high this is what you've learned here before shite and I can't do anything from what happened before you walked in the door but today or this hour this afternoon is the beginning of the rest of your life and I still get I got an email last year from a guy I hadn't heard from since 2004 came to the seminar he sent me his bank statement approved, notarized by the vice chairman of the bank he has 843 million cash in his accounts hadn't heard from him since 2004 he went to another part of the world and got involved in property development so if he's got 840 million cash in the bank I assume he's got other assets so he's a billionaire that I never heard of and the it's right now we have the lowest interest rates in the last 5,000 years lowest interest rates they're giving money away what's the rate in billionaires? is it more frequent now to become a billionaires? there's more billionaires now how many have we got? I think we've got over 2,000 billionaires now but it's I'm not saying it's easy it was never easy to be a billionaire but now with internet money as they call it it's more readily there are billionaires that work at Google that aren't the founders there are billionaires that work at Facebook that aren't the founders there's billionaires that work at Microsoft see when you first started making money when did it start really snowballing for you for one jump sale at a million to 20 million I remember I explained that answer this way I remember the first day that I made $10,000 in a day October 1974 I remember the first day I made $100,000 in a day I remember the first day I made $1,000,000 in a day I remember the first day I made $10,000,000 in a day and I remember like I brushed my teeth and took a shit this morning today I made $100,000,000 in a day I mean I still get chills when I say it $100,000,000 in a fucking day the best sex you ever fucking had you can't even compare it to that you know there's nothing like $100,000,000 the name of the book your first $100,000,000 which is the name of my book and it's you know money's not everything but there's a reason why it's the only thing anybody keeps track of that's very true how can people get a hold of your book Stan? well no by the way I give everything away free I don't sell anything no, don't, no that's very un-Scottish very noble of you but 10 years ago my product used to be the most expensive online at least to be like $3,000 for a disc the cost me $0.20 to make and then I finally got so tired of people telling me we can't afford your shite so I said okay I'm gonna give it all away free and so we went from the most expensive to zero cost and all the stuff's on my website danpenya.co.uk and it's free we even have a QLA for dummies it's basically for get your ass there no it's basically for Ouijaise it could be a QLA for Ouijaise we'll get that first day and the only thing I get paid for is this seminar that I give a few times a year and the you still got to value your worth dan you got to value your worth but the seminars are considered expensive I don't consider them expensive but they're considered expensive but I've been giving away the product for ten years and all the product is in we have a library there's I think there's 16 megabytes or gigs excuse me 16 gigs of free material and it starts there and 99.999% of all the people that have created money from my methodology I've never met only the one hundredth of a percent have I met and they're the ones that have come to the seminar do you get a kick from a buzz from people who came to your seminar oh fuck yes oh yeah I get I get more than a cheap thrill I really get excited and then I've got four or five very successful mentees that are super wealthy in their own right that are they're using QLA methodology to do something I was one of the guys a Chinese guy named Dan Lok who's a super wealthy guy Brian Rose of London Reel TV Brian the Jason Capital Michael Pilarcek to name a few that are super successful but what they've done they've taken the methodology of making people accountable etc etc and they've put a softer spin on it they're not as hard as I am because I'm not for everybody we've had people quit the first day of the seminar and we have no refunds but that's good we've had people not even show up don't watch these videos before you come then exactly and there's no refund I think that's a good thing because in this planet nobody's going to like you when I was a dick back in the day people didn't like me and now I'm doing good things I hear people still don't like you that's what I'm saying I'm a bigger dick today doing good things than I was when I was a dick being a good guy in Glasgow is probably the antithas Glasgow's not known for the motherly love it's tough for anybody watching for anybody that's maybe trying to break through and I know education as knowledge can be power what would you advise them to read or research to maybe educate themselves about if people can't afford to come to one of your seminars start, go to my site, QLA for dummies Steph QLA for dummies it is a step by step pre, let's say you're going to go to Sandhurst but you're not quite good grades enough they send you to a preschool before you go to Sandhurst or before you go to West Point or one of the big schools they got a preschool QLA for dummies is the preschool methodology and it's been very very successful also take my tests there's a 95% probability I can tell you, you take the success test the super success test and the snowflake test and I you can tell yourself just by the results on the test whether you're going to have a easy road there's no easy but easier road to success but I mean if you're not disciplined you know you'll have low self-esteem you live with your mother and you're 33 years old you're going to have a hard time I was living with my mum just till last year done but now you're not no I'm not now I'm spreading my wings and I'm focused it's fucking hard it's painful but to get results and to do what nobody else has done in Scotland or Glasgow I'm fucking going to do it I'm going to blow everybody out of the water and it's cocky confident whatever it is I'm not quite there yet but I will get there Speaking of cocky, 1991 I got the award where I went to university the most distinguished alumni in the history of the school okay and so the TV are interviewing my father and the Dean the head of the school of business so they asked Shirley Teeter, Dr Teeter you must know Nan 25 years what have you seen the change in him since he was a student here she looks right in the camera a very devout religious woman didn't wear makeup or anything like that and she said the only thing that's changed with Danny Penya is his mouth the have caught up with his no his accomplishments have caught up with his big fucking mouth now this is a woman who had never said a bad word in her life but she had so much venom and animosity stored up because I've been talking shit since I was a kid boom now I'm the great I've been talking that shit I had to become the greatest so I had to go crawl into some hole some place but I've always had self esteem and it's just something that I'm thankful to my parents they did a few things right that may be the only thing they did right but when my dad walked into this room through that arch right there and I had my arm around him he just says just tell me it's not drugs because he thought the only thing that you can make this much money this quickly had to be drug related because my dad was a cop I think it's like my parents as well a tough upbringing it's not that I want to be better than them I just want better for them I want to create a life where I can give them a life and let them enjoy their years of being happy before it's not everything being happy but it fucking helps as well to have money and to have stuff aside to create even in Glasgow now that you do say it Glasgow is tough people are cheeky and arrogant but there's still a goodness in them everybody's got goodness in them before we finish up Dan how did you deal with jealousy how did you deal with the naysayers and the hatred because when you become successful I'm starting to say it and I'm nowhere near successful yet but I'm getting so much negative in a lot of people who are not living their own dreams and ambitions it shines a light on their life when you start doing something it may carry out well the Conrad Adenauer the former mayor of Berlin said thick skin is a gift of God thick skin I have thick skin my wife said I have rhinoceros skin I mean the you can say whatever the fuck you want about me you can't hurt my feelings the I don't mind eating last as long as I eat most meaning that as long as I'm successful and not just monetarily but through my success in my programs I don't care what you say about me of course now the people that's had nothing good to say about me you know 15, 20, 25 years ago you know you can't argue with success the best revenge is success the best revenge for you in a positive way is to be super more successful than you are now and then you know you're a brash loudmouth kid and then you'll be an eccentric and then you'll be the grand old man of Glasgow that's kind of how the trend stayed in here I'm moving to Goughly Castle you've also got a YouTube channel as well Dan Dan Penya people check the videos the class I was watching them last night and I thrive on that your energy it makes sense to me for giving your time and bringing us in your home it's been very much appreciated I wish you all the best for the future and if you've got any free seminars for me and Steph I'm sure we can come along thanks a lot Dan ok you're welcome