直接開始了這就是今天討論的主題如何建立一個維俊經濟我們知道中國的維俊經濟在1989年建成的是一名英俊經濟那是25年前現在有很多變化在世界上我們今天討論的是維俊經濟的主題是非常有時間的維俊經濟的主題是很簡單的但是我們需要經濟學者和學者特別去討論我們會介紹一些特別的第一位是公克的總統南海大學還有他我們歡迎林伯強中國中心經濟研究中心鄉民大學第三位是陳一龍專業的副總統筱凱蒂再來是李煛央總統標榮大學北京有一個和這一隻空軍座我們可以看到叫一名張興盛總統他不僅僅在交易中交易中必須與今天的題目有關如何能讓中國進行維修交易中必須與維修建一個維修如果我們能找到方法再建一個維修的維修可以解決這個問題解決這個問題利用者如果你建了維修的維修可以解決這個問題可能 Mr. Yilong你能做到任何事情可以幫助他是的 low-carbon development會幫助解決這個問題Mr. Ngong我不是那麼優秀我們仍然有很多輛車交易中必須很重要中國的朋友讓那些人在交易中進行維修下次我相信我能做到很多中國我會說幾句話他對中國是滿有信心掌聲謝謝四位嘉賓謝謝如何製造中國維修的維修這是一項題目首先我想向大家介紹一些影片影片拍攝過去幾年中國是世界最大的產業日本也有第三個經濟但是每個國家都付出了那是修修招募全球修修招募2011年中國的供應是18%美國的供應是16%中國的供應是16%歐洲的7%歐洲的11%但在其中中國的修修招募是6.6萬歐洲的7.3萬美國的17.2萬經濟增長和環境問題是一項大問題全球計算為環境保護在12年5年計算是3.4億RMB中國的經濟是一項必須的維修如何保持中國的供應如何保持保護經濟增長保護環境保護大家看到有些東西在我的身上是否有修修招募我們必須專注修修招募或像一般的修修招募是更重要的讓我作出這些觀點當我們看見修修招募我們必須要那些在於那些修修招募必須修修招募你的手中國的學生相信我們必須修修修修修修修主席您的想法是什麼您的想法是什麼在於影響環境我們必須修修警察東方設防水利盒了吧這裡一期臺灣總甲獨獨川anyway給他這裡掌聲一下在過去幾年中國做的進步但是我們仍然不斷討論美國的制度是否根據資料是否根據經驗是否根據那些我們未必知道所以我們必須做更多努力在一段實驗的製作程序有科學研究資料、資料、資訊以及參與所有的保安員你提及過制度是非常重要的但是在於制度我們所有的生意都會問問題我會支持這件事但是會不會是我們的 contribution博強有個 hot topic李道奎說在未來的三個經濟會支持中國的綠經濟是一件大家認為的這是個 broad topic我們如何去解釋綠經濟仍然是 ambiguous什麼是綠什麼是 non-green我們也不太確定沒有 clear demarcation我的 idea is thatanything cleaner than previous approacheswill be greenbut in the futurewhether green will be an economyit depends on how we could definewhat is a green economyso your idea is thatgreen economy is still vagueI'd like to give you a new piece of newsthe four panelistsis now finallythey are quite rightMr. Zhang Xingsheng has just arrivedfrom the traffic jamnow you joined the four panelistson the platformMr. Zhangyou just come from the traffic jamwe just made a jokewhether we could solve this traffic jamby greening China's economyyou are one of the sufferers victimsyou share with us your ideain terms of green economyI'm sorryI have some different opinionson green economyright now there are four problemsnumber onewhether an economy can be made greenwhether we have broken solutionsand also there areso many sectorial effortsthere is no concerted effortsalso short term dresssocial termevery government thinkit's a long term issueso I just do my jobI'll hand it over to the next governmentall of a sudden there is a smog in Chinawe are awakenedbut actually this issueis not caused overnightcan we radically solve the problemof a smog in Chinait is your ideaideal solutionactually that shows our understandingis not thoroughas a matter of factChina has come up with a new solutionto solve the problemin a comprehensive waywe have to build a civilizedecological environmentwe cannot solve one problembeside other problemso your idea is thatwe cannot just take green economyas the only way out5 years agoin summer doublesyou came here in different capacityyou told usit is very importantto make Chinese economy greenerare you satisfiedwith China's progressover the past 5 yearsno I'm never satisfiedbecause the progress is too slowgreen economyafter the third plenary sessionof the partythere is an important decisionwe have to achieve social equalityall emissionis the emission of public goodswateractuallythere is no valueadded to thesedifferent commoditiesalso what is green financegreen finance is not onlygreen economy based loansfinance isan engineif we do not have this greenfinance we cannot solvethe problemsso Mr. Gongpresare you in favor of thatcan we speed up ourdevelopment of green economyI'm in favor of Mr. Zhang's ideawe need a multidimensionalsolution socialeconomic sciencecultural solutionto solve theproblem of environmentand ecologymy Norwegian friendswhat is your viewfrom a Norwegian perspectivehow China will changeit's economy to a greenergrowthare you satisfiedwith China's economic growthor not satisfiedtoo slowit is extremely impressivehow China is growingeconomically even todaywith a green developmentin addition not insteadof economic growthfrom where China is todaythere are three important thingsfirstthere needs to be a massivesubstitution from coalto renewable energysolar, wind, hydropowerand other renewable sourcesand this is expensiveto begin withbut very cheap in the long run99% renewable electricity systemit was expensive30 years agotoday we have the cheapest electricity in the worldsecond isthe citieswherethe car transportationshould be replaced by electric carsand hybrid carswhich is electric plus fossil fuelin which the electricity is usedfor short distancewhich mainly is in the citiesreduce oil import to Chinaand takethe smog problem away from the citiesand thirdlythere needs to be price reformand how electricity is sold to the end customersso thatit is a fair distributionof the cost of the total electricity systemin which it is notcheap electricity to all citizens in Chinabut cheapto those who need itand full price for those who can pay the full price謝謝您的回答我們有一樣的想法on the root of the issuethe ancientgreekphilosophistsaidactually natureand the human unitylater on we separate natureand mankind300 yearsafter the industrial revolutionwe believe we can overpower naturetechnology hasunlimitedpowerare you really think soactuallythe earth cannotcarry such ahuge number ofpeoplecan weafford another two degreesof growth of temperatureour normal temperatureis 26 degrees celsiusif your temperatureis 20 38you have to be hospitalizedso actuallyour needof human beings and alsoare the same asour planet the earthearth also has an extremeto support all the peoplewe need the effortsof every peopleperson in the worldwe need farmersworkers the young peoplewe have tojoin handsto solve this problemin your wordswe need togreen the whole worldrather than greening chinese economywe need the efforts and cooperationof other countriesI like to ask my partnerlegion do you have any questionsfor the panelistactually I am so touchedby the talks madeby the panelistI am the only womanon this platformactually environmenthas to do with everybodyif I drawopen the window every morningthe clear skymake me happyif the weather is over causeI am not happyactually among my friends everybodywho are taking photosof green blue skiesdo you thinkwe can live in this worldhappily comfortablywhether we havea path for chinese economyto further growthat is urbanizationwhether we could innovatein the path of urbanizationbefore we start this sessionI like to show you another videoin 2007China's CO2 emissionis 6 billion tonsin the worldaverage CO2 emissionin China is lower than USbut in the future Chinawill be the main battlefieldfor CO2 emission reductionright now in Chinaon average 15 million peoplewill move to new citiesgovernment has to buildmore housesthere will be more CO2 emissionin 10 to 15 yearsthese will be a big problemin 2020half of the newly built homeswill become a green houseChina's CO2 emissionshould be 30% lower thanaverage developed countriescan you from an individual levelto make some suggestionsin the process of urbanizationwhat are the responsibilitieswhat kind of a role we can playfor each citizensas we saw from the video chipin the process of urbanizationit means very high carbonor emissionthe most important innovationin the process of doing thatwe need to realizelow carbon developmentindividualizedwe need to find a lifestyleof low carbon livingthis is also very very essentialwe should not only pursue luxurywe also need to forgoand todo things following that linelet me just ask youif individual wants to changehis or her lifestyleshould we relymainly on external factorto drive usI think both interiorand external factorsare importantthe legal constrainteconomic leverageand from inside of our mindwe need to pursuea very very innovative living stylethis is equally importantthe question now is for Mr. Chanyour company is a big onenew energyfrom your enterprise levelin the process of urbanizationwhat are the breakthrough pointsyour company can findI have a positive messagewe are encountering a problemthat is tohave acorrect mindsetin making developmentpursuing valuein this industrial revolutionthe enterpriseshave its responsibilitiesto innovate its development modelto create a model ofsustainable developmentto develop green economyand accelerate China'snew type of urbanizationon the basis of doing thisurbanization in Chinacan really do welland solve all the inherentdifficultiesthrough technicaland model innovationactually todayhuman kind has usheringa new erathat is a new eraofenvironment productionit tell us the key pointin future urbanizationthe main battlefieldfor green economyis towe are alsoit will also change greatlyour original lifestyleand consumptionmindset this greeneconomy is issuing in a revolutionlike the circular economygreen economyis a brand new modelthat is a brand newdevelopment modelurbanization innovation of enterprisesis to bring the new economyinto this new modelwe relymainly onscience management and capitalto create a brand newsustainable development modeland also at the same time to promotethe equity and justiceof social developmentthis is the voicefrom an entrepreneurof course, Mr. Chen also mentionedsomething related to energyMr. Lin, you are an expert in energyin the process of urbanizationwhat kind of planyou havefor reference in energy sectorin the first three decadesof economic growthabout 300 million peopletransferred to live in citiesabout the total populationof the united statesin the process of doing thiswith some of the opportunitiesgoing forwardwe still have anothertrue to 300 million peoplewe will transferfurther to the citiesgoing forwardso what we can do is thatnumber one planningthe planning for urbanization in the futurethat is we have tohave all the details for low carbonfor example the bicycle lanemany cities in their cityblending do not have a roomfor bicycle laneit's not that we do not want to ride bicyclessothat's a hard choice for usbecause we can do somelow carbon planningalso circular economyis another way outmost of the people, most of theplutions are created by the peoplenot by rural area peoplebut by urban people inside the citieshow should wemake things circularso that is also very very essentialtalking about energyin energy urbanization processwe can do very well with the planninggovernment can have very forceful measuresand then we have tofocus on infrastructurebuild up which is very riskybecause infrastructurebuild upif we dofollow a high carbonmodelso usuallyinfrastructure will be therefor 20 years 30 yearsso in building infrastructurewe need to focus more on low carbonmandatefor example buildings can we usewind and solar poweror energyalso some other innovativeaspect to incorporate themin the planning of our buildingincluding the smart and greatso innovation in terms ofthe specifics of innovationhow we can incorporate themwith detail specificurban planningrequiring the plannerscity plannersto think throughfinally I thinkMr.Gong saidto change people's mindsetis very importantonce people useso certain kind of lifestyle is very difficult for them to changeChinesevisually the US peoplethey pay a lot of attention to saving the resourcesso to changelifestyle of the American peopleis not an easy jobbut the new peoplethe 300 million peoplewhich are going to enter into cityhow we can guide themto live a very meaningful lifestyleso the governmentreally can do somethingright now their living styleis not kind of a waste based oneas I knowyour companyis the biggestrenewable energy company in Europeso how do you seewhere thebricks through points liein China's urbanizationthe challenges for the cities in Chinais partly to do withtransportationit's congestion on the roadsand it is a pollution as a resultof massive amounts of carsand also some power productionthere's alsosome problems with water supplyin some of the citiesbuildings and the way of the city layoutis quite excellentplus the citiescontribute to the global warmingthe cities of the worldand the cities of Chinaand the last pointis very seriousif all ice on the earthis melting on the south poleand green land and glaciers of the worldwe will see a 70 meterof sea level risethat means if only 10% of the ice is melting7mthat means a city like Shanghaiwill not be thereso in order to solvethese in a combinationwe have to look for solutionwith less carbon emissionand at the same time stimulating growthso for the urban citiesof Chinaand for the rest of the worldfor that saketo as quickly as possiblecome over to low carbon emissionincluding electric bicycleselectric carshybrid carsunderground trains run by electricitythat is keyplus the water supplyneeds to be securedas wellso he really worries about the future of Chinabecause China's population is so hugeit's difficult for us to achieve thingsbut still say we need to gradually reducethe low carbon emissionotherwisewe won't see the cities like Shanghaiif things go on like thissowhat about you Mr. Zhangon the greening issueurbanization is an issueI very much agree with thiswe need to look at the urbanizationMr. StiglitzUS economists saidpeople are sayinghe saidIn the U.S. scientific innovationare most importantfor the 21st centuryin that 30-40 yearswe are going to have10 billionpeople in the worldso ecological issues are very importantthis is number onesecondly what are the principles of urbanizationit should bepapels centredsocial justicewhy can't we allow要成為一個維修的市民但是人們的中心獨自是不夠的人們的中心人們的基礎是非常非常重要的第二點是俄羅斯和維修的基礎的基礎如果我們來看三十年代中國正在俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯500亿人俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄羅斯俄發出的2020年社會馬上抺潰川普多特 Eat六川奧對美股OH De TS好特時間C. EdPDRN我們也必須取得經濟和綠色的經濟我們必須建造經濟的建築讓國家的建築能夠實現我們的製造模式和生活風格所以建築、水、所有的建築物都是美國的風格現在的大量的能量所以 humankind need to do some rethinkingand also biodiversity is also very importantch children in the cities do not understand thisyou know people all see the hazethe water is now clearpeople use a lot of a plastic bottle wateralso the food securityAnd then people feel all the congestionon their way going to workwe cannot just,you know, treat the symptoms我們必須要求治病所以在整個過程中整個世界正在看中國的做法我們今天不可以進入所有的細節但是我們必須推動全球的生產業務全球的政府全程向全球的政府這是一個很大的機會除非是在國際社會或是國際社會或是國際社會第二點是推動在國際社會和國際社會上在中國變成了一名國際社會的員工但在國際社會和國際社會上也有提供的價值也有提供的價值所以每個市民都可以選擇每天 每天 每天 每天 每天 每天 每天特別是女性他們每天都可以あー每天在家裡 購買每天在家裡 購買就會再類隨時他們可以乘以捐款每天都搜索付款會的存在比如在他和他的生活上就是說我需要與他們交給總亂我想要的 вопрос是在他們的期望過去中國的捐款尤其是紀念在2012年,大約3.62億韓圜,大約20%的全球飲料,大約2.5倍的能量,大約3.3倍的全球飲料,大約7倍的日本飲料。大約1.10倍的全球飲料,大約14,000RMBGDP,大約10倍的中國飲料。大約1.2倍的日本飲料。大約3.2倍的日本飲料,大約5.7倍的日本飲料。大約5.5倍的日本飲料,大約3.5倍的日本飲料,它是必須的我們有26個 civilisation in the wars從開始的 war但25 civilisation vanished並不是因為失敗或壞事的 war而是因為一個系統這就是我們認為我們會有一個好經濟和整個世界會暴暴所以中國要怎麼做我們已經推出了一條叫做Eco-civilisation這就是中國的計劃Eco-civilisation如果我們來看雙方的國民和經濟我認為這四個第一是大陸的經濟第二是國民和經濟社會正常的經濟包括國民和經濟的經濟社會的經濟和經濟社會的經濟也包括國民和經濟在技術方面但Eco-civilisation也很重要國民和經濟能夠治療到某個程度第四更重要這是國民和經濟這是國民和經濟在2008年國民和經濟並非只會成為最高的經濟而國民和經濟是最高的經濟像Mr. Gandhi說的國民和經濟給予足夠的資源讓國民能夠治療但國民和經濟並非最高的經濟所以國民和經濟也很重要所以我們需要國民和經濟聯繫聯繫聯繫所以國民和經濟是從國民聯繫聯繫但現在國民和經濟是雙重的所以我們需要聯繫和經濟我們要談論國民和經濟昨天在表面林克強也說過國民和經濟問題是Mr. Lin從國民經濟的未來的看法國民和經濟在國民和經濟哪有其他方式我們先來解釋兩件事第一件事在視頻中中國和美國國民和經濟我並不相信這是一個很不合理的比例因為兩國在兩種不同的經濟發展中是同樣的其實美國有同樣的或甚至 worse 問題像中國美國在中國發展中的發展中發展中的發展中是同樣的所以這就是我喜歡解釋所以你不能簡單地比例美國和中國有關中國國民經濟發展中的發展中再次美國和中國國民經濟發展中發展中這就是今日中國的投資未來的中國政府國民經濟發展中我對中國國民經濟發展中的發展中運作中最重要的是我們我們在中國一百分之一每年這要做到控制和測試也要做到新的能量清潔的能量正在發展在快速比我們預期的更高全都在一起中國政府做了很好的努力但現在的開始經濟增加是要跟進的我們在訪問美國的路線你總是很容易說不要把整個國家的路線但其實中國在同一路線在西方的路線上在西方的路線上在西方的路線上中國在同一路線上但比起在西方的路線上在西方的路線上是更多的一種我們可以做得更好在西方的路線上兩位評論者說中國西方和西方有不同的 perspective要進入這個問題請邀請伊隆在你的 research development你認為你有自己的方式對於 development當然在技術和工資我們可以解決這個問題現在在中國技術和工資是非常困難的就是說技術和工資是太高的百分比80%今天新的技術更多人會想到 wind powersolar power因為這些 are easy powers但是 they neglected one thing wind power in the new energy mixit can only play a supplementary rolethat is to say it can only generate powerrather than providingother kind of energiesreplacing the functionsof the natural gascruel oil and the coalsso only biotechnologyenergy can help to replacethe current energy resourcesproducing few electricitythings like thatin terms of the pastover the past so many thousand yearsChina was a civilized agriculture countrythere is no shortage of energybut industrial revolutionand 200 years after thatit has put the world in disorderbecause the ways of us using energy is wrongpeople are doing thatbased on their selfishness and greedevery yearthe how manyhow muchsolar has been changed intobiotechnologyvery limited amountbut last yearall togetherwe have 13 billion tons of standard coalgenerated bynatural gasand the crude oil and coalso we need to make more effortsright nowChina has made a lot of effortswe have produced far cleaner fuelswith the support of technologythere is a lot of successalso in terms of business modelwe can solve the problemwe have to mobilize the farmersto farm the energyright now we are seeingglimpse of hopespring is comingalthough we are still in winteractually environmental protectionis not concerned by usbut also by foreign countrieswe want to cooperatewith the international communitymy question to Christianin terms of green economyhow China should cooperatewith western companiesand in what wayI think when it comes to using bioenergythere could be some learningfrom processes in Europeand in the USand I do fully agreethat is also important for Chinato follow that pathon top of thatI already mentionedusing more electricity in the urban sectorthat should be combined withmore renewable energyin total on the rooftopsasolar and in generaland this is not only for the environmentthis renewable energyis a capital cost intensivebut once the capital has been paid downit will be more or less free energyinto eternityfrom the wind and the sun and the waterso it will be the cheapest supplyof energy for China long termand also it will be self sufficiencyfor the countrywhich is important in a wider aspectof providing China's own energyso the combination of renewable energyincluding biomassand electrification of citiesis what is neededlast I'd like to askpresident Gong KeChina is going to build a green economythat is a very taskyou cannot just saywe should speed up our processfrom the foreign perspectivethe foreigners are confidentin Chinaand also they want Chinato follow the international rulesand standardwhether we realizethis green economywe can have some new ideasfoundamentallyI want to say is thatecological issuehas to do with technologyenergiessystemsbut in the endthat has to do with peopleecological cultureis a human cultureso we cannot neglecteducationwe need a green educationto train new generationsof peoplenot only in Chinabut also in the worldnow this is the fundamental issuethat has to do with your postas the president of the universitybut for usworking in the mediumwe want to invite more ideastime is limited todayI'd like to invitepeople from the audienceto share your viewsthis personthis lady in whitetell us your nameand where come fromfrom economic dailymy question is to Mr. Zhangyou mentioned green financemy question iswhat is the biggest obstaclesof growing green financethe green financegreen credithas to do withthe social responsibilitythere's no limitand no bank is willingto do thatand also what isa return on investmentfor providing green financethere are many problemsinvolvedhow China developthese green economygreen financewhat are the problemswhat should be donethank you very muchMr. Zhangthis is a very good questionI'm not a financial specialistbut I knowgreen financeas a heartan enginecan kill three birdswith one stoneto solve the fundamental issueover the past 260 yearsof development environmentand developmentis always regardedas a contradictioneconomy and ecologyare harmoniousactuallythat is already expressedby the ancient Greekphilosopherthat's why our top leadershipof the countrycombined the reformof economic structureand ecological structurewe have to readjustthe functionseconomic developmentvis-à-visthe efficiencyof ecological developmentas well asis a contributionto socialand the mankindin terms of obstaclesfor Chinagovernmentshould make a gooddesignon the institutional levelbut in terms of operationswe need to relyon marketon the enthusiasminitiated of the peoplethat's whywe are tryingto builda greenecological bank不强I wrote a textbookof energy financeyou can searchfrom the internetand find my bookgreen financeis thisif you say greenyou have to definewhat is greenin terms of theit is very difficultfor the banksto understandwhat is green financeand alsothe term is very longwhen we talk aboutreturn on investmentwhen you give out the moneyyou haven't seen anythingyou cannot just sayyou have made a contributionby giving loansto somebodyso the bankscannotunderstand that easilythat's whywe need subsidiesat the firstit is also difficultfor the banksto give the loansthe government's roleis that to provideguarantee subsidiesso we have to combinegovernment withfinancial institutionsto come upwith a solutionsometimesissues cannot besolved onlyalone by banksElonyou must havethis problemhow do you persuadethe banks to help youthe core issue is thatyou need to havea newmindset of developmentas long asyou stick to the policyof sustainable developmentfor the new economydevelopmentto build afairlegal systemto support thatas our professor saidcarbon taxis an issuewhytoday's economic developmentis not fairtraditionalfossil energygroupdo not show theresponsibilityfor the societythey damagedthe environmentand we haveto afford the billthat's not fairso ifwe levythe taxfrom thosefossil fuelcompaniesthat isa good waywe needto understandthere isa hugeresourcesof low carbonso weshould notfollow the traditionalway ofissuingloanswe have to makeuse of thelow carbonresourceswe areresponsiblefor protectingthis earthand to promoteequalityon this worldmy Norwegianfriendwhat is yourview on thisin your countrywhen you havethe similarproblemshow do yousolve thisproblemI thinkwhen it comesto financingthe systemis to have aguaranteed price systema fixed pricefor10, 15 years or sobecause then the riskto the capital is lowand then theinterest will be lowand therebythe total cost will be lowthere are a number of countriesdoing thatEngland has a good systemBrazil has a good systemso there are many places to lookbut the keyis to get the riskto investors downand therebythe cost downand China has a lot of capitalso you should benumber one countryin mastering thisthank you very muchthis journalistquestionis thatgreen economygreen businesswhether they aresustainablewhether they can growwhether they cansustain themselveson thevision companyis 119 years oldwhich is very successfulthis is the biggestEuropean renewableenergy companythis is the biggestcompany in Chinabetween youdo you viewyour Norwegian frienda competitorof friendcertainly friendscorporatorswe are now promotingtheir buildinga ecologicallycivilized societywe need a corporationwe want tobring to an endof the so calledindustrial civilizationand buildnew civilizationwithout the unityof the wholeworldwe cannot do thatshake handsthis is a historicalhand shakeof coursefrom theirfrom their eyesyou can seethey are real friendrather than competitorsthis is a goodhand shakeI'm sure thatwith the help ofwith the effortsof Chinaand effortsof other countriesChina'sgreen economywill be abroughtbright futuretodaymy impression is thatMiss Zhangtold usChina'seconomic growthis still lowwe need towork even harderhe saidas a matter of factwe need tohave a heartof civilizationa heartofecologicalgreen futureeconomyecologytwo wordsin Englishhas easeat the beginningalthoughtheyseem to becontradictory to each otherthey actuallycan join handsby joining handswith uswe can haveenjoyablefutureenjoyableearththis is my fifthfifth timeto attenddoublesChinaTianjinis very beautifulI like thisgreen photoon this pamphletI like to bringChina back to thisgreen landthank you very muchthank you very muchthe five panelists也謝謝你的參與謝謝thank youthank youthank you謝謝林先生稍等一下稍坐一下稍坐一下就是那個第二小段我知道了好佔用大家一分鐘因為音響的原因剛才我的聲音沒有收進去因為我們這樣是要電視直播可能畫面會不太好看這是第二段的那一句好剛才我們看過這個小篇相信每個人心裡都有自己的理解和感觸所以我接下來的第一個問題要問給公校長您認為從我們個人的角度我們在成正化這個進程當中我們自己的突破點在哪裡我想作為市民來講我應該怎麼謝謝您的回答太精彩了謝謝大家謝謝謝謝謝謝謝謝各位