 If you would like to make a comment, it would be helpful if you would turn on your camera and your microphone. Everyone's muted to start with, but you can unmute yourselves if you have a comment. If you do have a question and there will be opportunities for questions along the way, we'll sort of have pauses. A good way to do that if you're not on camera is to use the reactions button on the bottom of your screen. The opportunity to raise your hand is there. We are having a little bit of trouble with the chat function tonight, so I think raising our hands is going to be the best option. We're also going to be using a tool called Mentimeter tonight, which is the live polling app. You can use that either on your smartphone or tablet or on your computer browser. We'll be showing a QR code here in a few moments. That'll be your opportunity to join that poll. If you've got that device ready, great. If you need to run get it, go get it. Or you can just use your computer browser and shrink us into one corner while we do that poll. Our agenda for the evening, we've done our welcome, we've done our introductions. We'll do a little bit of background on the project so far and overview of where we are today. We'll pause for questions at that point to see if anybody has any questions about the project more broadly. And then we will dig into our topic for today, which are some design discussions that James alluded to, and then talk about what comes next. So first a bit about the project overview. You can see at the bottom of your screen there are project site. Six acres at the intersection of Herne Avenue and Dutton Avenue in the Roseland neighborhood of Santa Rosa. Near Meadowview Elementary and Southwest Community Park, a centrally located parcel, relatively flat, great to build a new civic campus on. The entire vision for this six acre site includes at least three components, a fire station, a multicultural library, and a multi purpose sports and event center. Right now based on the funding that's been made available so far that the only the fire station and the multicultural library are going to be our focus for this phase of the project and those are the components that we're going to talk about tonight. There will also be parking. There will also be all of the stormwater infrastructure all the technical aspects of the site will be built out entirely. But these are the project components that are part of this first phase. The type of project we're doing is going to be ultimately delivered in a design build format so group four and its consultants right now are partnering with the city the library and Kitchell to do what are called bridging documents so a set of criteria that will then be shared with a design build entities which are our partnerships of contractors and engineers and architects who will then finalize the design and provide a bid for the construction. So our work will end towards the end of this year. That design build request for proposals and contract award will follow in 2024, and then we anticipate that construction will start in 2026. So those design build entities we imagine will will have opportunities to come back to the community with their finalized designs. So what you're seeing today is still very much early stage, but we'll set the tone and tenor for what comes next and so that's where your input is really really important in setting the mold for what those design build entities will be responding to. We've done quite a bit of community outreach on the project. Our first phase earlier this fall engaged 890 new community members that's in addition to the over 7000 that had been engaged prior to our involvement through surveys online and physical kiosks at libraries and community centers and community meetings just like this one. In that first round, where some priorities focused on library spaces that people in the community felt like they would really get the most value out of obviously space for books but multi purpose classrooms technology enabled classrooms, quiet spaces to work and read, as well as spaces for play for children we know important multicultural and multi generational visits to the library are in this community. We also talked about what we term design values, which is finding a way for the architecture to respond to the values of the community. And so we found that natural light and indoor outdoor connections were incredibly important. An architecture that's inspired by nature and that's warm and inviting all all great things so you'll see later in the project how we've taken these building design values and turn those into architectural expressions. We also talked a bit about site amenities about where people's priorities are people want to use the site actively for outdoor activities, both on a day to day basis and special events like markets and fares. We intend to include a multi use path if not in this phase than in a future phase, as well as outdoor seating areas in shade and sun. We talked about the possibility of an aquatic center. That was originally part of the vision for this site. But when it became clear that the site area was simply not going to be large enough to accommodate quite everything that that the community has asked for. We had to prioritize and one way of setting that priority was to ask the community. Do you want a smaller aquatic facility that might fit on this site in a reduced capacity, or do we want to get an eight lane lat pool, a large recreational pool, and by doing so place that aquatic center at Southwest Community Park in a future phase. And the overwhelming response was, let's let's get what we want, even if it means waiting a little while and putting it in a place where it can really thrive. We also asked the question about the recreation center that I mentioned at the top, and whether we wanted a gym or not. And the feeling was that the community favored the gym and favored the kind of community events that could easily be housed within a gym. And so we get sort of more bang for our buck, looking ahead to that next phase by building a large multi purpose athletics and community facility for that rec component. So that's it. That's a bit of overview. Any questions from this group about where we've been and where we find ourselves today. You have a hand raised from Al Arama. Yes, Al. Yeah, hi there. I was just curious, you mentioned about the design build and embedding process in the spring. Are there measures being taken to ensure minority participation, particularly like in contracting to participate in the process? I'm not exactly certain of the city's requirements on that. Jason, I wonder if you could answer that or our partners at Kitchell would be more prepared. I can certainly provide some answer, but actually Harding, if I could ask Kitchell to step in since they are the project manager, I prefer them to provide the response. Yeah, Brian or Kevin. Harding, do you hear me? All right. I can hear you now. Yes. All right, great. Yeah, at this time, there are, there may be some provisions that will require we've, there's some PLA agreements that we're working on in the area that will require some local labor force as a priority. And we're exploring some of those options as well as the minorities. And Al, for you and others, PLA refers to project labor agreements. It is a requirement that the city retain and hire unionized professionals from local union hall to provide and perform the construction activities on the project. Yeah, is that the actual grades people on the site? I was referring more to the contractors who also may hire people, I guess, too. So just to make a distinction there. There's a number of minority contractor, particularly Latino contractors in Sonoma County who might be interested in bidding in some form or fashion. If not as a prime contractor, maybe as a, as a subcontract. So I just wanted to make sure there's information, I guess, being made available to people if they're interested in participating. Thanks. Al, yes. The plan is during the procurement process is to create interest for the contracting community to for the project and inform the contracting market of the project. Yes, all contractors are required to be unionized or be union during the course of that particular project. And there is a 30% local contractor requirement, which means 30% of the employees on the job as a total must be within the definition of local, which is the five counties in the North Bank. Thanks. Thanks, Jason. Renee. Yes, thank you, Renee south said all I work with races collective. We're county wide. And we work with marginalized communities, particularly the Latinx immigrant and indigenous communities. But what I remember, as far as the concept was that this multicultural center was a place for underrepresented communities to be able to come together have cultural events and cultural activities. It just seems like the library piece has been added now and the multicultural aspect of it is being overshadowed. For example, I, yeah, I don't see any spaces for, you know, cultural activities and community meetings and, and things like that that can be loud at some times. So, I was just wondering, is that just not going to be part of the project anymore. That's a great question, Renee. And, and the answer is yes, that it is still going to be part of the project. We're not at the point of showing floor plans yet it's still early in the process. But I know that based on the program that we have that that there are our options that we're considering that do include some large community spaces within the library building, and that those would be managed by the the creation component of the city, specifically for those kinds of programs. So it's it's definitely a both and not an either or, and, and I would encourage you to, to, I think Eric and maybe speak to this that that libraries can be quite loud now these days. That's a, that's a, that's something that we work to change in our own work every day so. I don't think that it's something that's that's been forgotten and know it's it's something that comes up in quite literally every meeting we have on this project is ensuring that that multicultural component isn't lost. And if I will have, will have Spanish language collection, multi and multi purpose room, as, as well as a variety of other meeting room space for both large and small groups. And we're also intending to have, you know, diverse programming working with community based organizations to provide services that the community has asked for, and can participate in. So all those things, as I pointed out, it's a both and kind of scenario. Any other questions before we move on. So we're going to jump into our, our design discussions. I wanted to first touch on the fire station. So the fire station will be located at the northern portion of the site along her and avenue. That location is driven primarily by the ability to reduce response times to the community so putting it on that main road. That's going to obviously in in encourage us to rebuild that her and Dutton intersection to give those emergency vehicles. The mechanisms that they need to respond quickly to clear traffic to make a safe intersection, obviously including turning it into a four way intersection from its current three way scenario. And the fire station in, in addition to including its basic technical functions like apparatus base and dorm rooms and, and, and turnout gear will also include a classroom for the fire department's explorers program which encourages youth to find interest in the fire service. So that'll be built into the fire station building. It'll have its own secured parking and all of its own technical apparatus on site. So that I think is a one company location right now. And yeah, we'll be primarily accessed. The engine access will be in and out of her, the parking access off of Dutton. The next thing is to touch on is the library. Which, as Erica mentioned, will have a largely bilingual collection, a large popular collection space in the middle you can kind of see it here kind of the spine down the middle in orange. But also, as Erica mentioned, maker spaces community spaces we think of those sometimes as community spaces might be a softer or a cleaner space of maker space kind of a little rougher a little dirtier. But then obviously a dedicated spaces adjacent to one another for children's teens and adults. And then, as we obviously have space for, for staff and those support spaces. So now I'm going to ask you all to either get out your phones or point your browser to www.menti.com and use that code. I'm going to follow along on my own phone so that I know where we are. That QR code should bring you up to our poll play page. And our first polling question, just as a way of getting a sense of, of who's here and is what is your zip code. Please use your phone and select your zip code and you'll see the results pop up here in real time on the screen. And I will just so we don't lose it I'll leave the QR code up there in the corner for a little while, so that those who may have missed it the first time can join us. And Karen, I think if you, well, I guess we don't have the chat, never mind. If for any reason you're unable to join them and t.com will also share a link at the end that you can take the online survey at your own leisure. What is the code for minty. The code is 83004089. Thank you. Okay, we'll give people about 30 more seconds to get connected and to do this first question. And then we'll move on to the meat of our discussion. If you're still working, that's fine. I'm going to, I'm going to move on to our next thing. I'll keep the QR code up in the corner as we get into our next few questions, but I want to respect everybody's time. Good to see so many people from from outside the neighborhood. And we look forward to hearing all of your thoughts. So when we think about architectural inspiration. So thinking back to those, those early design values of inspired by nature of indoor outdoor connections of natural spaces. One of the concepts that we in our team have come up with is is one that that leans on the ideas of porches and plazas to to use, you know, deep overhangs and shade structures to create really great dynamic indoor outdoor spaces. Those, those porches could be covered in something like the top left where it's very diaphanous and see through and let's interesting shadows play on the ground, or it can be something that's more solid and really allows us a really robust multi seasonal shaded space protected from from the elements a little bit. So that's that's one of the options that we've been looking at another is to really lean into the agricultural aspects of Santa Rosa's history, and and look at more agricultural inspired shapes and forms. Things like barns and sheds. And then this also impacts our material choices. Maybe looking here at something that's that's got a little bit more, you know, have a corrugated metal or something that's a little bit more rough around the edges. When it comes to its architectural expression. All of this is about trying to root this architecture in a particular place so that it feels at home in Santa Rosa and in the Roseland Bellevue neighborhood. And so that's where we've come to thinking about how we can turn those design values about what what's important to the community into architectural form. So with those two things in mind. This is our first sort of a B test, and you're actually allowed to pick either or both. Which architecture scheme do you think reflects the values of the community. And then we'll pause at the end of this question. And I'd like to hear from somebody as to as to why they might have chosen one or the other. Or if you're, if you have a feeling of dissatisfaction with either want to hear about that too. Yeah, Wendy, you're on mute Wendy sorry. Thank you. I, one of the reasons I chose the porch. As opposed to architectural, which I would have thought the architecture would have been better. For me, but I, with your explanation, it made me think of the outlet malls in Petaluma, which I find atrocious. And I would not want something with steel and metal like that because I don't feel that represents this area. Yeah, thanks. That's great to hear. So so far it seems like a lot of you agree with with Wendy on preferring the porch inspired. I would like to hear from somebody who picked the agricultural side just to hear why you thought that that resonated more. Yes Sabrina. Right there. If it has to do with California native plants and a hard scape combination, along with the agriculture and plants. That's low watering systems and maybe a semi non, how to say this, where there's a water capture system that helps. So all the things I think that for me, I love the fork schemes, but it's a little. Not interesting. I think that agriculture. When I moved to Girdenville and in Sonoma and from San Francisco, everything changed and I was noticing how much I enjoyed, even if it was smelly, the farms and all the things. And if you're taking over a pasture type area, which is exactly what that is. If there was a some caveat that if it was going to get plants. And I just got all plants that were California native that I'm not watering hardly at all. For instance, and a hard scape plan with a low maintenance native plan could be fantastic and interesting. That's great. Thanks Sabrina. Yes Liz. Okay. Actually, I, I'm new to this. It's first time I've seen this and I actually voted for both because I don't think you necessarily have to do one or the other I really like the porches because it makes it very usable. But if we're talking about indoor and outdoor space and connection and connection with nature which is what you said is one of the one of the ideas. And I think the plants and whatnot, and for what you can see here are an agriculture this is definitely agricultural area that we were that we're talking about here I'm even new to this area would be important. I had two questions and they're probably going to be covered at some point and I was just wondering what you were going to be doing about, like, are you putting in solar over either on what we're building or over the parking lot for shade and other stuff. And the other thing has to do with one aspect that I wasn't sure about the agriculture inspired was whether there'd be. And then the whole design is really handicap accessibility, but I'm sure because of the world we live in today that that's part of it, but I just wanted to make sure and speak it out since I've not been part of any of these meetings. Thank you for bringing both of those up and yes, both of those, those are both solar access and and accessibility are baked into this project. The California energy code requires us to do a certain amount of photovoltaic, we can do that on the roof, or we can do that as a shade structure over parking, we just have to provide it one way or the other. Certainly enough that we haven't figured out exactly how, but it's going to be there. And accessibility is absolutely the kind of thing that is our first thought in any landscape or architectural move if it's not accessible we've we've failed at our job so it but it's definitely something that that that we ought to keep bringing up and making sure that we're going above and beyond when it comes to making this an inclusive and accessible facility so thanks for speaking up. Any other thoughts or questions on this before we go to our next set of questions. Alright, so shifting our focus to the interior, taking those same design values that we heard about, and trying to see how we can express those on an interior. I think that these into these few interior options would work well with either of the exterior options so I think there's there's very much a mix and match opportunity here. The first of those is, you know, not not string too far from the answers we heard in the first round of something that's nature inspired something that uses those warm tones, those those wood accents, those those warm oranges and reds and greens to to really build that that indoor outdoor connection I think to bring a sense of warmth to the interior. Another is the idea of being more whimsical and playful so so maybe if we think of the nature inspired something that's maybe softer and darker, something that's brighter and full of shape and color is something that would would work in towards that whimsical and playful idea and I will say as a caveat, these are images of both projects that our firm has done projects that other firms have done but they are all just meant to be inspirations none of them are representative specifically of anything that's going to go on in this building this building will be designed for this community straight out of the box so. And then there is an opportunity to really lean into the agricultural inspired. So I think if this is being similar to to a nature inspired option but maybe looking at a little bit more of that, you know, exposed rafters and a little bit more of that metal and would you know, and great views and vistas out through through those agricultural portals. And finally just lean into color, you know whimsical and playful is any more about shape color is just that let's let's make it a bright fun exciting place to be for for people of all ages. So then we're going to we're going to do our horse race on these four. So, this should popped up on your phone or your browser now to to vote on one or multiples of these interior schemes and happy to again answer questions as people are deciding. Harding if you could bring up that QR code real quick. Oh, thank you. Join. Thank you. Great. I think we have 30 more seconds. People get their votes in. So pretty clear consensus that nobody wants to stay inside a barn. That's fine. That's good to know. I'd love to hear from somebody who chose either colorful whimsical playful or nature inspired and and what what inspired you to make that choice. Yeah, Al. Yeah, hi there. I work over them. He told to food park in Roseland. I don't live immediately in the neighborhood, but I mean color is a very important to the Latino community and whimsical. I like that idea. So, I would just encourage you to kind of be trying to incorporate some of the cultural elements, cultural arts elements into the color scheme and. I'm sure you'll get more feedback from other people, but I think it's just. It's just a little brighter people like those kind of things, particularly that community. That's great. Thanks Al. Anybody else have a thought or a question. Doing great. I really appreciate this. So then I'll pause once more here before we talk about next steps. Any other questions about the project or anything that that you've seen that you want to ask a question about. I'm making my job easy. So looking at next steps again. As I mentioned, we're we're in the midst of finishing up our bridging documents and so everything that we've discussed tonight everything that we've heard is going to find its way into those criteria documents, which will then be shared with potential design build entities in 2024. Those groups will spend 2024 and 25 really flushing out the design for the site and these first two buildings that are in phase one and then as we mentioned construction hopefully starts in 2026 and and I'll say that that's something that that the City Manager Jason nut mentioned in one of our meetings is that you know with with that kind of timeline. The city is actively looking at new funding opportunities to try to get that that rec component into, if not a concurrent phase, a phase that comes shortly after the completion of this one. I do want to to reinforce that the city is committed to to meeting the expectations of this community and the greater Santa Rosa community. It was promised, and we're just working with the best dollars that we have to date to really focus on on these two components today. So, there are going to be other opportunities to make your voice heard. This wasn't your ideal format there is a survey link there at the bottom of this page. That has identical content to what we've discussed tonight, but an opportunity for a little bit long, more long form answers. So, an in person version of this same presentation tomorrow at Roseland Elementary multi purpose room at Sebastopol Road, and then later on this week, the Halloween bash at Finley Community Park on the 28th. And then we have iPad kiosks at a paper survey at both the Finley Community Center and the Roseland Regional Library so there's there's no rules against voting more than once. So, thank you so much for your questions. Tell your enemies we want to hear from everybody. And, and thank you so much for coming we really appreciate the time that you've given us this evening. And we look forward to seeing you again. Yeah, Wendy, please. Wendy is one of our people who's come to both of you so I'm really, really proud of Wendy. Um, quick question you said about the poll would be on the at the community center or community park and when would that be looked at for working on that and what area of the park would it be in. I'm going to say a confident I don't know to either of those. But I wonder if if others here are joining us from the city have a better point on that. Um, I would I would like to say I mean if Jeff would step in he can't but because it's moved to Southwest Community Park it's just not in the scope of this, this current project and what we're pursuing but it is knowing that the public interest there there would be future tasks associated to it but no timelines known right now. The interest has been gathered. Jeff, did you have anything else I didn't mean to interrupt. No, thank you, Lisa. I would just add that. Certainly it's, it's pretty old and we would look at revisiting the master plan for Southwest Community Park, but it does include in the master plan, the potential for recreation space center aquatics area. And the current master, the very old current master plan. So there is dedicated space for this type of space but again certainly with the amount of time that's been there and the nature of how this project has evolved we would certainly look at more engagement of what that would look like if in a future phase. And I'll just throw one more piece in the master plan that Jeff references shows that that pool and community structured community space is actually at the corner of Kern Avenue and I believe it's Silver spur. There's an undeveloped parking lot and associated large undeveloped field area that is where these facilities were intended to go in that master plan. Obviously, as Jeff mentioned, we would revisit other options if there were other, if there were better options, but that would still be the proposal. We'd be moving toward in future consideration. Thanks, Al. Yeah. Yeah, it was more just a suggestion about outreach because I know that you're doing the meeting tomorrow. I think at the school there in Roseland. So having done a lot of community engagement in Roseland, if you want parents to come to those school meetings. It's a good idea to get a flyer in the backpack of the kids to take home to the parents so maybe too late for tomorrow but just for future reference, you know that was a good way always to make sure parents and English and Spanish to get get flyers out to the kids to the parents. So they are aware of the meetings at the school and they show up. Love that idea. Thanks, Al. I have a question. Yes. I have two households in this neighborhood right on the edge of this park. When did you ever reach out to the residents of this neighborhood about this project? So I know that as part of our outreach about these outreach meetings we've sent postcards to everyone within the 500 yards. I can't remember exactly a quarter mile. So I know we've tried to directly address our immediate neighborhood. Beyond that I know that yes just trying to get the word out through all of the different city channels, the newsletters, email, all of those things have been our primary mechanism. So if you've missed us I'd love to hear other ideas that you might have about how we can improve our outreach. Well, I got your most recent postcard but we have a house on Silver Spur and a house on Tuxhorn and a house just off Dutton Meadow. Not one of those households got any notification of this except for your design review survey postcard and about this Zoom meeting tonight. Those are the only that's the only thing we've received. I mean this greatly impacts our homes. Sure. I'm just flabbergasted we never, three households never got one notification and many of my neighbors have said the same. Yeah, I think we can do better. Because that's a shit show over at that park now. And you guys are just impacting it worse to the point where we're ready to rent our house out to the nice Hispanic people that want to live next to this or sell them. You know some notification would have been greatly appreciated. So if I could just jump in here. This project is not focused on Southwest Community Park. That was a result of community conversation relating to the project site, which was at Kern Avenue and and the extension of Dutton Avenue and so. It's adjacent to the park. And those aquatic centers right across the street from my house. Not where I want to live I've been in this neighborhood for over 20 years. I understand and what I'm just, that's why I own three houses here. What I'm explaining is, is that the reason you wouldn't receive any direct notification on that is that is not part of the specific project we're working on right now. When we get to the place where we're actually looking at doing development of the pool. There will be a substantial amount of public outreach, especially to the neighbors relating to that project. But that's that's not we're not at that stage right now. We chose as a part of this library fire station and community center project to not place it on that property and relocate it from Southwest Community Park. The decision of the community that responded said we'd like to keep it at Southwest Community Park in the future planning stage. Okay, well we have a house just off of that meta right next to this. And that house didn't get notification either I mean this greatly impacts us we're already dealing with multiple issues with the large population that uses this park and the fact that the police department. They throw their hands up in the air and tell us we can't do anything we just don't have the manpower. You know, and we're going to put more and more into this neighborhood. There's nowhere to park on the weekend as it is we cannot have I also own another property a little further away that's large property. We can't have any of our family events at our homes because we can't park we can't hear. You know, it's gotten to the point of being ridiculous and you're just going to impact this neighborhood more and more and more and invite more and more people in, but you're not giving us notice I would like to put my house on the market or rented it before this happened before the people knew about it I would have sold my houses, all three of them gone. You know, I'm just, it's very frustrating to invest that much money into a neighborhood and be impacted like this. Thanks for your thoughts, Cassandra. Does anybody else have a question about this project. Yes, Wendy. I, it's another project. It's just a comment my personal view is this is going to increase the value of my home, because this is going to be a great having the library nearby having the fire station even close. I think it's going to be a great thing and that's all I wanted to say and thank you so much for this. And I'm going to say bye now. Thanks, Wendy. I did want to also point out I love plugging anytime I can. This is this is one of our public outreach that you know for this phase of work but there's a there's a web page that the city has and maintains it's in the flyer. Really, I really would love everyone here to make feel confident to go to that website we keep it updated we can talk through it. We have a sequel we have an environmental process coming up. Still on this project we have other we have other outreaches that are going to occur and so we'll be keeping you informed that way. So, then I, you know, it's hard to hear about that other stuff, but I appreciate, I appreciate you guys being here today and, you know, and I think it's on my email. I have, I'm here to support anyone with questions and comments after this. My emails, L Welsh, that's our city.org. And I'm happy to field it. Thank you. Yeah, June you had a question. Yeah, I was wondering about the athletic and community facility that you said we come later not the pool but the one athletic community facility for the site and wonder where on the plan. It would go and like an outline of is our size at all and I just wondered I mean it looks like there is a lot of parking and a lot of pavement on the site overall. And with the with the road and just wondering about that a lot of the input had been around nature inspired which really means that maybe a little more information about what you're actually doing with the nature and natural grounds around and how much you're maintaining as natural. And how much would be paved and you know where future buildings might be going. Yeah, great. Thanks. Thanks for that question June so I hope everyone can see the slide that I just brought up from earlier in the show. It's not north up so if you look at the bottom left corner of the image that's her and avenue of running out off to the side so the fire station is the first thing you see that's on the northern most portion of the site, and there's a shared existing area, which will include a lot of our stormwater bioswales to to to collect and treat stormwater on site. There's also a handful of existing live oak trees mature live oak trees that we're trying to preserve on that eastern edge of the site. And the next building you see, oh, that was really big QR code was is the library the multicultural library, and then it almost looks like one building but it's actually to so on the southern end of the site so the furthest to the right on this image is where that future multi purpose forts and events center would land. And in between those two buildings would be a shared sort of community lawn. And then we're, you can just barely see sort of the rough plantings beyond the future rec center. That's our primary stormwater treatment facility. Again, using our low impact development. And, and native plantings to again treat our stormwater as much as we can on site. So the. There's there's always like the concern, as you've heard from others that if we if we under park the facility that ends up impacting negatively the residential communities around. So we did try to provide adequate parking for sure peak load, inclusive of all of the buildings that would be on site so that's why it seems like an awfully big parking lot for maybe just a library. But the parking lot is sized for the library and the future rec center, and the target square footage of that rec center is somewhere in the 20 to 25,000 square foot range. I think I answered all your questions, but let me know if I did. Maybe just then with the parking is there I understand that the vehicle parking but what is there for transit accessibility and making it easy and comfortable for folks that do take transit to relieve the impact on the neighborhood that way. There absolutely will be probably in this first phase that transit stop will be a pull through stop in the parking lot. As we build out the rest of that an avenue there'll be a bus pull off kind of mid block, kind of right in front of the library. I have a question. Multicultural library what cultures are being included in that. I didn't know that we were supposed to specify. I mean, obviously, I will I will freely admit that I'm not a Santa Rosa resident. But but I know how important the Hispanic community is in in Sonoma County. But I also know that there's, there's lots of others. So I don't think that the intent was to be exclusive and to focus on any one culture. I have a huge Asian community as well. None of this is designed, even when you send it out in any other language so I'm kind of, that's a concern I mean, if we're going to be inclusive we need to include all our neighbors. Absolutely. And that's I mean I'm glad you made that point because the online survey is offered in English Spanish and Mandarin. I'm glad you made that point. We have a pretty large Cambodian and Laos and Thai community we have walks are all around us. You know, it's it's a pretty, you know, and I know a lot of the first generation or the immigrants they don't, they don't speak much English and they've asked questions about this and I mean, is there a way to include them. I don't think there ought to be. Yeah. Would be nice. Because they would benefit from something like this. Of course. Great. Well, we thank you again so much for the tiny of yours tonight and all this insight and really thoughtful comments and questions so thanks so much to everybody. We look forward to seeing you at other events and have a great evening. Thank you.