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U.S. Senator Marco Rubio and Representative Michael McCall warned that Apple should not use China's Yangtze Memory Technologies Company, or YMTC, to supply flash memory chips for its smartphones. Apple told the Financial Times that it has not used YMTC chips in its products, but has been evaluating them for use only in iPhones sold in China. YMTC is under investigation for supplying chips made with U.S. technology to Huawei, which would be in violation of U.S. licensing rules. YMTC has not been added to the entity list that Huawei has, though. The U.S. though is concerned that China is subsidizing YMTC in an attempt to dominate the market and that even working with Apple inside China could help YMTC gain knowledge to further that goal. Meta has disbanded its responsible innovation team, which helped identify and avoid downsizing new products. Meta told the Wall Street Journal that the company remains committed to the team's goals, but believes the two dozen engineers in ethicists are better used on issue-specific teams as compared to centralized catch-all groups. Intel published specifications for its Arc A series of discrete desktop GPUs. The top of the line, Arc A770, is going to feature 32 XE cores and up to 16 gigabytes of GDDR6 memory, peak bandwidth of 560 gigabits per second. The A750 will offer 28 XE cores while the A580 will offer 24 XE cores. Both have 8 gigabytes of GDDR6 and 512 gigabytes per second bandwidth. These will join the entry level A380, that one's already on the market. We don't got any word on price or availability for any of these new cards, but it is nice to have the details. Instagram confirmed it will test reposting content in a user's main feed with a small group of users similar to re-sharing stories. Social media consultant Matt Navarro posted a screenshot showing a repost tab on user's profiles. I would like that. I've never really cared about an edit button on Twitter, but I've always wanted this. I hope that pans out. And finally, India's finance ministry said the Reserve Bank of India will prepare an approved list of legal loan apps that will be allowed on app stores in the country. The ministry is also going to review and cancel licenses of non-banking financial institutions if they are found not monitoring for money laundering. Dan Campos talked about these shady loan apps being a problem in Mexico. They're a problem in India as well. And that's what India is doing to crack down on them. Alright, let's talk a little bit about what's going on at Patreon. A bunch of people pinged us about this obviously because we are supported by Patreon. We've been on Patreon since almost the beginning of Patreon. Here's what happened. A lawyer at Crypto and Privacy Village tweeted on Thursday afternoon that Patreon had laid off their entire security team. In a follow-up tweet, she pointed to a LinkedIn post from Emily Metcalf, a former now Patreon employee, that said that she and the rest of the Patreon security team were no longer with the company and she was looking for work. Patreon's US policy head, Ellen Satterwhite, told TechCrunch that Patreon had laid off five members of its internal security team. It did not deny that that was the entire security team, but it also didn't clarify how many people were on that team. She also told TechCrunch that Patreon works with external organizations to, quote, develop our security capabilities and conduct regular security assessments. So, like a lot of companies, they've got a contractor. They've got an outside company providing this. That is all that anyone outside of Patreon actually knows. Now, Rob and I will get to the things that we can have educated guesses about. First of all, not all, but most of Patreon's financial security concerns are handled by outside vendors like PayPal. That's why I accidentally said PayPal just then, because PayPal, Stripe and other payment processors shoulder a lot of that. That's not atypical for a lot of companies out there. So, if your first reaction was that your payment information was going to be under threat, it is likely not. Yeah, and that leaves all the personal data that Patreon does manage like name, email addresses and mailing addresses, among other things. And it likely includes some payment account info, though not payment processing. This, however, does not mean that Patreon has no one running its security. It's likely using something like a managed security service provider or MSSP. In other words, they outsourced it. We're in the realm of guessing now, but it's fair to guess that one of the C-level executives who manages security and feels confident in their role has decided that they want to increase availability and decrease cost. Your mileage may vary on whether you think an MSSP is better, worse, or equal to an in-house team. And this is a classic on-prem versus off-prem question, which Enterprise Tech folks are very familiar with. I can tell you myself, I am intimately familiar with this because I have been on both sides and have managed from both sides of this. So, Tom, does this bother you? Yeah, a little. It doesn't bother me for a lot of the reasons I see people with their hair on fire talking about. I'm not worried that Patreon has just, you know, left all the gates open and they're like, no, we don't need security anymore. I think they're a little smarter than that. I am not even worried that they contracted it out. There are a lot of companies that do MSSP or something like it. And in some cases it can increase your security because you get somebody who's better at it than your internal team would have been. I'm not saying that's the case with Patreon. I don't know, but I'm just saying that can happen. So just the fact that they're doing something like that doesn't bother me. What does bother me is the lack of communication around it. Not necessarily in advance. Companies change up what they do internally and what external contractors they use all the time without having to talk to the public. But once it went on Twitter to be so tight-lipped about it, seems like it leaves room for misunderstanding. You're talking about security here. Reassure me that you've got a very reliable solution for this. And we're not hearing that. That's where I'm at. I would like to hear more about why this isn't a problem. I'm not jumping to the conclusion that it is, but it's important to me that it not be. But I'm curious where you stand on this, Rob, because like you said, you've been involved in these exact kind of situations. So, you know, IT outsourcing. This is an enormous business. This is how a lot of businesses run. So, you know, I'm not going to say it's a good thing or it's a bad thing. I've seen it be good in many organizations. I've seen it be not so good in other organizations. I've seen, you know, just both sides of this from, you know, how you manage it and everything. What's a little interesting though here is, as you said, they probably should have had a better PR response to this or they should have had something prepared. But knowing that, well, if you just fired folks, those folks are free and clear. They're going to go talk about whatever they want to talk about, however they want to talk about it. They should have been more prepared for that. And what I have seen, usually when you have an organization that's going to take something that was internal and then they outsource it, a lot of the employees that were internal now, they no longer work for you, but they often go and work for the contractor because you want to keep all of that knowledge as close to, you know, to in-house or in this case, outsource as possible. So it doesn't necessarily look, I mean, we don't know that that's not happening or they may not have gone back and hired everyone except for the person that we heard from on LinkedIn, but it just doesn't have a good look. And from my experience, if you're not keeping at least some of those folks around, you know, as contractors because they have all of that knowledge, you may run into hiccups. So I'm really interested to just look at and see how this thing plays out over time because once again, this is their security. They cannot be joking around with this stuff. No, absolutely not. And it just leaves a lot of questions and a lot of room for misunderstanding. And when you leave room for misunderstanding, the internet is going to misunderstand it in the worst possible way. That's just the nature of what we see out there. So I try to be more even-handed and look at this and say, all right, there are people within Patreon that have been involved with security that were not part of this team anymore. So they've got a little bit of institutional knowledge within. Like you say, did they keep some people that have that institutional knowledge that weren't on this team? Did they transition some of this team over to contractors? And maybe they didn't tell everybody because the contractor didn't want to hire everybody. It didn't sound like there was a reputation for that team being bad. So I don't assume they got rid of them because they weren't good at their jobs. It really does seem like an availability and cost thing, like you said. Availability meaning a contractor will be available 24-7 because they have lots of people and lots of resources versus a smaller internal team. You got to let them sleep. You can't work them all the time. And like I said, there are times when people are like, well, contracting is bad. And it's not because it often is the case. If they only had a five-person team and they go to a contractor that this is what they do, there may be and probably will be significantly more knowledge there. Just people have seen and done more things when they have been around more environments to see and have done more things in. So I don't want to initially just jump to the side that this is a bad thing. We just don't know. What we do know is that Patreon should have, as I said earlier, had a much better response to this and have been prepared for this because you had to see this company. They're a very public company. You know, not publicly traded, but just a public company as far as perception in this arena. And you know that people are going to be talking about this. And it's not their first rodeo at a public backlash, right? They've had backlashes over all kinds of things in the past. So I am not cancelling my Patreon account. I'm not seriously concerned. I would like more information. And I expect that will be forthcoming and they're just being very careful about putting that message out there. I would also recommend that those five people that got laid off, you all should get together and you know, form a little paper LLC company and be ready to do some consulting in the future and get a little cash back out of Patreon when they come knocking at your door and need something because they might think very well. I've seen that happen before. That is not a novel idea that has actually happened before. All right, let's talk air taxis. So United Airlines has invested $15 million into Eve air mobility, which makes four seat electric vertical takeoff and landing or EV tall aircraft. United also ordered 200 of the air taxis with an option for another 200. The first of the aircraft will arrive in 2026 at the earliest. United cited Eve's relationship with trusted aircraft builder Embraer as one of the reasons it decided to make the deal with this deal added to the 100 EV tall aircraft United ordered last month from a different company. It will end up with a fleet of 300 to 500 electric air taxis. Eve's EV tall aircraft has fixed wings, rotors and pushers with a range of 60 miles. United notes that it makes 90% less noise than conventional aircraft. So Tom, I want to know if big ballers like you are going to be flying around to the airports like this in the future. Oh man, I would love that. It's going to really go to depend on the price. I know we've got some nice helicopter infrastructure here in Los Angeles, in the Los Angeles area. So availability should be all right. I do think what we're looking at is United creating a system to get you to the airport faster. They're talking about craft with a range of 60 miles. So they're not going to be flying between cities here. They're talking about crafts that make 90% less noise. They push that because when they fly them over your house, they don't want you upset and think you're going to get a bunch of aircraft noise all over the place because they want to fly these things back and forth between populated neighborhoods and the airport. If this ends up being viable, if United makes a go of it, if other airlines follow suit, I would expect that this could in five years or so be a new way you get to the airport. I'm hoping it's affordable enough for me to consider because right now I'm looking at sometimes a 90-minute drive to get to LAX. I used to live really close to it and I love that, but I don't anymore. And if traffic's bad, there's just no other way to get there, right? Whether you pay a little bit for a bus, whether you take an Uber, whether you drive yourself, it takes a long time. And this would cut that down quite a bit. I was never a road warrior in my corporate IT days to the point where I was regularly taking helicopters from rooftops to the airport, but I have done it a time or two or three. And the reason for it is simply because in places like LA, in places like DC, in places like Chicago, New York, you just can't get to the airport in time to catch a flight or in time to make a flight or other cases. These are the only ways that you can do it. And it seems like it's really expensive, but depending on how important that call was and what level you are at a company, you just have to get to where you can get to to be. My gut tells me these are not going to be the people who are flying. Coach, they're going to be using these at first. And maybe not even the folks who are going to be flying on commercial air. And what my gut tells me is a lot of this is going to be people who are using something like net jets. And they literally, they've got three flights. They've got to make in a day and they've got to get back and forth from where they are to the airport where they can take off as quickly and expeditionally as possible. That's where the helicopter surfaces are used. And if these things are 90% more quiet than helicopters, because that's probably what they're talking about. Now they're going to be able to potentially go into whether we're going to land behind the high school, we're going to land in that park. Yeah. You know, I think you're going to start seeing laws and stuff like that will allow these things to happen because these are small aircraft, but they're not making that noise. So you can actually fly them over residential areas. Only one of us has ever taken a helicopter to the airport of this particular show right now. So I'm expecting you're probably right that this is certainly going to be increased capacity for private travel, possibly limited capacity for commercial. And what I hope is that it might get down to the comfort plus level rather than the first class level. And then it might be something I could take it or at least get to the point where you're not going to take it every time you go to the airport, but there will be those situations where you're like, okay, I'm going to splash out for this because I really have a tight schedule or it's a special occasion or something like that. And this won't be for vacation travel. Remember, these are only four-seaters and you can't take, you know, 300 pounds of luggage with you on this. It's basically for four people and probably a bag, a bag. So, like I said, I'm excited just to see it because, you know, anything that gets us closer to the Jetsons is good in my book. Yeah, and we've been talking about electric, well, we've been talking about VTOL for decades now. And we've been talking about electric VTOL, which is, you know, going to use electricity, so low emissions and all that. We've been talking about that for years and years now, too. So it's nice to see these sorts of plans, get real orders and move a little bit towards viability. I know we got pilots, Brian, others out there in the audience. So if you have thoughts on this, give us an email or join in the conversation in our Discord. You can join that by linking to a Patreon account at patreon.com slash D-T-N-S. The conversation has an article called Doomscrolling is Literally Bad for Your Health. Here's four tips to help you stop by Australian research fellows in digital childhoods, Kate Manlin, and in tech communication policy, James Meese. They describe doomscrolling as overconsumption of bad news. And while you probably assume that is not great for you, there is research that indicates it's actually bad for you. That part may not surprise you, but it's nice to have the science on it. A study published in the Journal Health Communication that is called Caught in a Dangerous World, Problematic News Conception and Its Relationship to Mental and Physical Ill-Being found, and I quote from the study, greater mental and physical ill-being among those with higher levels of problematic news consumption. So there was definitely a relationship. They argue that it's not a problem to be a news junkie. You just need to know your limits. To quote from the study, it is not the amount of news that one consumes that is problematic, so much as the nature in which it is consumed. And as an example of that, let's bring in another study published July 2020 about people doomscrolling during COVID. It was in European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience. They found that people who checked news about COVID seven or more times a day for a total of two and a half hours of exposure had greater symptoms of anxiety and depression. So it wasn't the amount. It was the frequency. It was the total time spent on a particular topic. And there are also similar studies that found similar things related to the Boston Marathon bombing, the events of September 11th, 2001. So that part isn't new. Mental and resurvey people in Victoria and have identified four tips will commonly say to help them to stop. It's worth noting that none of the recommendations involve being uninformed. They try to balance being informed with being overwhelmed. So let's take a look at those and talk about how we think they might work for us. So the first one here, this one is something, I didn't read this article and start doing this. This is something I kind of started doing on my own, but it is to set a time to check news rather than checking it periodically throughout the day. For me, it was not so much news. It was TikTok and Instagram. I would just be sitting down, my phone out, and wow, where did the 40 minutes go? So I could absolutely see that if you're looking at negative news or you're just looking at things that just bother you to your core, if you're just doing that over and over and over again, how that could be somewhat problematic for you. Yeah, I do this myself. I have a time in the morning. I'm a morning paper kind of person. Although they say in this article, some people may not want to start the news in the morning because it might ruin your day. So do what's best for you. But I have a time in the morning that I look at the news and I look at what's going on in that day. I also have a thing on my Amazon Echo that plays in the morning, a five minute newscast of world events. And that is the way I make sure to be caught up. And then I don't watch television news at all anymore. I don't look at any kind of television news. And I generally don't read any other news the rest of the day that isn't related to my job. Tech news is a whole different thing. I'm obsessively checking that every morning for this show. But that's fairly well separated from the rest of the news. So for just general news, I follow that one very closely. So Tom, the second tip here is to avoid news notifications and other ways that news is pushed to you as compared to you going out and actually checking for. This one is huge because I know me when I had the Twitter notification and I had the Facebook notification and I was getting WhatsApp messages all the time it is kind of like, you know, look, but bubbles and butterflies as soon as something pops up, you kind of if you have your phone, you look at it and then you're sucked in. And my reason for doing this was just trying to be more productive. But if you are getting sucked into just, you know, depressing type of news at any time that it happens. That's probably not, you know, according to this research is not the best way to do it. So if you can turn off those notifications, you know, you'll probably actually, you know, get a bit of good. You definitely can help improve some of your productivity. I am a big fan of declaring notification bankruptcy. Just turn off all your notifications, maybe except for SMS, right? Or something like that where you're like, I know I absolutely need that one. Turn them all off and then see which ones you actually miss and turn those back on. You'll find that you are much calmer and that you didn't need most of the stuff your phone was throwing at you. I also personally, and this is right for everybody, I don't follow news sources on Twitter. I don't really even use Facebook, but I don't follow it on Facebook or Instagram or TikTok or any of them. I follow individual voices with a kind of an aim of getting a representative sample of people's opinions on things and entertainment and funny stuff. But I don't follow news and I hear people talking about like, well, I use Twitter for news. For this very reason. That's why I tend to end up seeing people reacting to things versus seeing the thing itself when it's on Twitter. I too stopped using Twitter for news. In fact, it's funny that we're doing this story today. Probably over the last week or 10 days, I've probably deleted about 50% of the accounts that I follow on Twitter. Anything that was a news site, MSNBC, CNN, all that kind of stuff because I actively will go and watch CNN when I want to watch CNN. I'll actively go watch Fox when I want to watch Fox. I actively set time aside to go do that. I don't need them to notify me, hey, here's new news, come look at it. Once again, it wasn't for the same reasons as in this study, but I can see how just not getting those notifications can absolutely help with this if those kind of stories are bringing you down just because of the amount of the consumption that you have. Again, the first two are all about make sure to access the news on your terms, not pushing it in front of you. So the third item here is make it harder to get the news so that you don't mindlessly start checking it, such as moving all social media and news apps to a folder that is not on the home screen of your phone. I mean, I actually kind of do this, but not for this reason. I do have all my news apps in a folder, but I have everything in a folder. The only things on my home screen are like camera, SMS, like really utilitarian stuff. I don't have any content stuff there anyway. This one doesn't really apply to me because I don't need it. But this feels like a thing if you're like, yeah, but I'm having a hard time resisting the impulse. I'm just in the habit. Then you might want to do that to just kind of to help break yourself of the habit. Yeah, so I'm an Android user, so I'm really into the aesthetic of how my screen looks. I've got all these kind of widgets and folders and this and that and the other. Like you, Tom, they were never there. The real issue for me was just the notifications of them being there or the folders where when you would get a message, you would actually see the folder change colors or you would get a checkmark in the folder, something like that. I since turned all those kind of things off. So this wasn't a big one for me, but if you are that person where you've got Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and TikTok as icons right there on your home screen and you're seeing them all the time and you don't want to see them all the time. Maybe you should actually move them into a folder or just move them to another page. It might actually help. Yeah, and like you say, it's going to make your home screen look better. So and then the fourth one here is to tell other people what you're doing so that they can help you maintain your limits. Now, I'm thinking if you got to go tell other folks, hey, I'm really trying to cut back on my news and you're telling this to people so that they can help you do it. You may have actually had a problem with that. That is something a little different to me to where I've got to go and say, hey, Tom, just want to let you know I'm pulling back from my news content so make sure you're not doing anything to send me anything that might make me go look at Twitter. Yeah, that one is a little special. Yeah, this one, I can imagine this applying to my sister-in-law because she lives with her father and he's a news junkie. So I could see somebody in that household saying like, hey, don't come talk to me about the news. I'm trying to cut down. I'll bring it up if I'm willing to talk about it, but it could be a thing where someone in your household is like, hey, did you hear? Did you see the latest thing? And you're like, I'm actually trying to not get all anxious about that stuff, so don't bring it up to me. Communication, it's always about communication. I would add a fifth one here before we move on. Find, say, a half-hour podcast that can just validate all the news for you and explain it in a half-hour every day. Say, whatever kind of news you're looking for, say a daily, let's say you're into tech, like a daily tech news show, and then just use that for your news time. Yeah? You like that idea? I kind of like that. Yeah. You could even go to a weekly Tech Show too. I was going to say. Yeah, there could be a weekly Tech Show. Yeah, called the Tech Show. You know, just picking a name out of somewhere. Folks, if you travel in a wheelchair, Chris Christensen has a great tip if you're looking to vacation in places with accessibility in mind. This is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler with another Tech in Travel Minute. This is a story that caught my eye and it seems pretty cool. For people who are disabled, there is a crowd-sourcing technology project called the Accessibility Mapping System. And what this does is it's using volunteers all over the world to send in information about different destinations and how accessible they are. Their database has 200 different data points, like staff training wheelchair accessibility, transportation logistics, Braille signage, ramp access, and all sorts of other things. I am not an expert in the area, but I would send you to Curb Free with Corey Lee, who's a friend of mine, who knows much more about this and has been able to travel all over the world as a wheelchair. The project, again, is the Accessibility Mapping System and this is Chris Christensen from Amateur Traveler. Oh, thank you, Chris. That is a great tip and I know there's many people in the audience that will make good use of that. And if you are in the audience saying, oh yeah, that's a good one, also this one, please send it along to us. Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. But again, that was CurbFreeWithCoreyLee.com Let's check out the mail bag. David wanted to say that he's really been enjoying listening to IAS on DTNS. He's a really knowledgeable journalist in the chemistry he shares with Sarah and myself is obvious. He also really enjoys when we have the SMR Podcast guys on, too. So there you go, Rob. I know them. I know those guys. You've got a fan. He says, they are all excellent contributors, too, and I finally took Tom's advice and listened to their podcast. Unsurprisingly, it's excellent, too. This email was never meant to be a complete list of all the contributors that I like, but the thing that Justin continues to be great and showing my British bias, it'd be great if you had the host of text message, Nate Langson, on again. Keep up the good work. Best wishes, David. I know it's been years, but I really enjoyed your EV roundtable with Allison and others, and if you're ever wondering if it's time for another one, my vote is yes. I don't own an EV and probably won't buy one in the next few years, but I'm interested in the area. Yeah, we just might have to do that. Get ourselves one of those new Ford facelift. So we've got another one here, and this is in reference to DTNS 4350's discussion on iMessage not integrating with Android messaging. My family is split between both camps. It's normally not a problem, and I don't care about the bubble color. It's annoying that I can name, that I cannot name the group with my family members, but I don't or I can't live with that. The bigger issue is that SMS messages in that group do not appear on my iPad. Text I send my iPad don't get delivered to SMS users. It leads to times where only part of the group receives a message. I don't think that makes such a great experience for iPhone users. I just saw a story that Apple have become the majority phone maker in the U.S. It will be interesting if iMessage begins to look anti-competitive with Apple's dominant position. Thanks, Don and St. Louis. Yeah, if you're using a Wi-Fi only iPad, that's all it can do. It doesn't have a cellular connection. There is a way to bridge it I think, but if you haven't done that and sometimes that fails so yeah, it's going to only work within the iMessage universe. Thank you, Don. I never thought about the anti-competitive nature of this because now Apple they're the biggest now. In the United States, anyone? That's a thing now. You know who is always pro-competitive is Len Peralta who has been illustrating today's show. Len, what have you drawn for us today? Am I pro-competitive? Maybe I am. You know, doom-scrolling, bad. I know that. It's terrible. I'm guilty of it as well. You know who doesn't like doom-scrolling a lot? Well, of course it would be Dr. Doom. Dr. Doom. This is what this is. He doesn't really understand doom-scrolling. He thinks people are scrolling about him. He's like, scrolling doom, bad for you. What did I ever do? Oh, right. I'm evil. Right. I'm Dr. Doom. It's in the name. It is. Dr. Doom. I had to scroll Dr. Doom when I was drawing this, so it's very interesting. This, of course, if you're interested, it's available on my online store at LenPeraltaStore.com. You can also get this right now if you are at one of my Patreon users, patreon.com. Patreon.patreon.com You can download it right now. Hopefully nothing bad will happen, and I'm sure nothing bad will happen. So there you go. You also have that severance package over there. Did you catch the little severance lip at the Apple announcement? I did. I like, yeah, they're leaning pretty hard on this. Rob Dunwood, thank you, my friend, for being with here. Before we go, what else you got going on to tell folks about? It's always a pleasure being here, and I am one of the hosts of the before-mentioned SMR podcast, The Tech John, to believe it or not, is a year old. It launched on DTNS Experiment Week August of last year. So I think we're about to do episode 51. That's amazing. This coming Monday. Ah, I'm so glad it's still going, and going strong, getting better all the time. I love that show. Glad to do it, man. I'm glad I was kind of voluntold by someone else who is on the screen right now. Go check it out at johnjawn.com Also, a special thanks to Francis Bonamera, one of our top lifetime supporters for DTNS. Thank you for all the years of support, Francis. You could be among the people thanked. Brand new supporters and long-time supporters alike. 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