 reasons up there and I thought that would be the case just to talk through that holiday. Can you make Gail the co-organize for email address and then does it work such that when she logs in to go to meeting that will launch the meeting for everyone supposed to. Yeah, but it's it hasn't been doing that. I've been having to log in so that you all can get on there and then I just leave I make Rick a co-organizer and leave but I've already done that for every meeting I've made him the co-organizer and it hasn't been working but I just today watched a webinar about them and it's they're a lot better than they used to be and I just need to find out all the particulars and get everybody into the new program and it should work a lot better. You can raise your hand and everything. You'll launch the meeting we'll all go in then you'll make Gail co-organizer and then you'll log out. Right. Okay. But if there's any problem with that then let me know and I'll just go back in and you know call me or something. Let me know. Are we talking about something that's happening tonight or in the future? Tonight. This is for our closed session meeting. So I was not listening carefully so what do you want me to do? Is there any good to make you the co-organizer and then leave once you you get into the meeting? Okay. So that and I'm hoping that will work to it'll stay an open meeting. I see. Okay. So I don't have to do anything. You don't have to do anything. Okay. Got it. The good news is we do have a quorum which is which is good but it's 530 and we're missing Jeff had a family emergency so won't be here. I have not heard anything from Jamie so we'll give it another couple of minutes and if she doesn't show we'll just go ahead and get started. Yeah. We do quorums are good. Yeah. Do you have at your fingertips Jamie's cell numbers? Oh actually I just have a text from Jamie here. The traffic is backed up on highway nine so she said all the way to Felton so I may be a few minutes late joining the closed session and that came in at 518 so I'm guessing we should start because I think it's if that was at 518 and she was only in Felton she's got a ways to go. Yeah. Okay. Is that all right with you Mark because we need you there to make the quorum? Yes. All right. Well then let's go ahead and convene this meeting of the Board of Directors of the San Lorenzo Valley Water District for September 15th 2022. Holly would you call the roll please? President Mayhood. Here. President Ackerman is absent but should we're expecting. On our way. On our way we hope. Yeah. Director Falls. Here. Director Smalley. Here. And Director Hill is absent and excused. That's correct. Are there any additions and deletions to the closed session agenda? There are no additions or deletions to the closed session agenda. I recommend taking a vote to excuse Director Hill that's the usual protocol. Oh okay. This might be a good time to do it especially given that Director Ackerman is responding. Yeah. Okay. Can we just have a voice vote in terms of all in favor of excusing Jeff Hill's absence due to a family emergency? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed. Abstaining. Okay so. Thank you. Did that. May I ask that someone take note of the time that Director Ackerman does arrive please. I will read that. And let me know. Thank you. And I don't see any attendees. This is the time for oral communication regarding items on the closed session agenda but other than us chickens I don't see anybody out there. So I think with that we can adjourn to closed session. Okay. Thank you. Straighten down. So you know like about who's not here and stuff or the department status. Oh I think my earplugs in the wrong holes I couldn't hear anything. Great that great picture Gail. Yeah isn't that nice. Yeah it looks like your backyard right. The outfit even matches it. You look like you're out in the woods. And I wish. I still have to figure out how not to have this like different lights so that I don't have the reflection off my glasses. I obviously don't want to see them or the glasses right. So it looks like I'm slightly off center maybe that'll do it. So my light is off center so it shouldn't but which well I think I need one of those things. Yeah I will look it up online like everything else right how to do X. You know Gail we all need one of those things. Whatever it is we definitely need one. Get on the get on the interweb and talk to the Google. Yes Ms. Google will help you. Hi Carlin. Good evening. I have 630. So I would like to convene the open session of this meeting of the board of directors of the San Lorenzo Valley Water District for September 15th 2022. I will just report the one action out of closed session which was that on a vote of four to zero the board unanimously authorized the district's labor negotiators to give notice of the district's intention to engage in negotiations with representatives of the management supervisory and confidential employees bargaining unit regarding their memo of understanding with the district. With that we'll reconvene the regular open session and would you take a role call that please Molly. President Mayhood. Here. Vice President Ackman. Here. Director Falls. Here. Here. Director Smalley. Here. Director Hill is absent and excused. Do we need to once again approve this as an excused absence or did we just because we did it earlier we're okay. The action earlier covered the entire meeting Chair Mayhood. Okay thank you. Okay are there any additions or deletions to the agenda? Staff have none. Okay oh and just let me point out that Carly is standing in for Rick tonight. Thank you Carly. All right with that are there any this is a time for communications from members of the public on items that are within the purview of the district but are not on the agenda tonight and would anybody like to speak at this point? See we have Alayna Lang is is here. No all right with that then the next item would be the president's report except there is none for tonight. Our unfinished business is that because we have one board committee meeting budget and finance happening within a month we have to once again do our remote authorization under AB 361 allowing us to continue with remote meetings. Would anybody like to make a motion ratifying resolution number four? I'll make a motion. Okay second. Second. Okay thank you. I'll just take a roll voice vote. All in favor say aye. Yes. Aye. Opposed? Abstentions? Passes unanimously. Okay on to new business. I think we missed public comment on that item but I doubt there would be any. All right. Okay I didn't realize we okay is there any public comment on that? Okay then we'll go on to our unfinished our new business the first one being the long service line agreements and I believe Josh is going to address us about this one tonight. Indeed thank you chair. This is a long-running project the district has been working with four property owners to establish service for them this is in the El Alamine neighborhood off of East Siamese Road. We've finally gotten all of the pieces in line the long line agreements are in the packet for this evening's board meeting and staff are recommending that the board of directors review the memo and instruct the district manager by resolution to execute long line agreements for the four APNs which are enlisted in the recommendation. I will truthfully take questions. Okay are there any questions from members of the board regarding these? Bob. I just wanted to confirm Josh that these are using the most recent long line service agreement. That is correct. Right thank you. Okay Mark. Yes um how long will it take to install this long line and what size are we putting in? The exact size is going to be up to the homeowners these lines are all on the homeowner side of the meter. Our recommendation our standard is a minimum one inch polyethylene and I believe that the contractor who has been engaged by the four property owners has already completed or is nearing completion on the installation thereof. Okay thank you. Are there any other questions or comments about this? If not I'll go out to uh oh sorry Jena go ahead. Well I just wanted to before this gets to the point of emotion to suggest that the motion be to adopt the resolution. Yeah. Without the additional language. Right. Okay um are there any comments by Alina or Mark? Seeing none I'll go back to the board. Bob. You know I I really like uh I really like it when we can do these kinds of things to bring people into the district to provide water security for people that are sort of at the edge of um our service area and um want to welcome them all to I'm assuming we're all going to vote for it but hopefully we can welcome them all to the districts and the services. Would anybody like to uh make a motion? Given that go ahead. Okay. I'll move approval of the agreement uh to uh provide water service for the Alamin Road residents at the provided parcel numbers. And so it's approving the res the resolution that would do just what Jamie said. Okay. I'll second that. Okay. All in favor say aye. Yes. Aye. Aye. Yes. Opposed? Abstentions? Okay. Passes unanimously. Next we move to the Howard easement. Thank you chair. This is an easement related to the repair and future rerouting of the Huckleberry Island portion of the main uh some background. This main had a failure last last year this time and uh we've been working since then to obtain easements to reroute the main from its existing underwater river crossing to a much more viable route across the Howard parcel which is the matter in front of the board tonight across the Pacific Street bridge which we are still working towards getting all of the easements in line for then crossing two additional properties owned by a couple of the breed family in order to avoid the existing problem which is a point where these underwater the underground river crossing daylights at the top of the hill on the north side of the river and then flattens out to fall in grade that point has been a repeated failure and will continue to be a failure point due to slope instability. This rerouting will avoid that and the easement under discussion this evening is the first step in laying out that new alignment. With that I will take questions. Any questions from members of the board? Jamie. Um actually I wanted to start by just congratulating staff on moving both the prior item and this item forward. I know that these have been some challenging negotiations and we've done a lot of outreach and I just think that that's this is great work because we are taking some important steps so thank you for that. I just wanted to confirm that in your conversations I know that there had been some sort of like early trepidation that members of this community might be difficult to work with but it sounds like you've navigated that are you getting any other pushback? I would say that for the members of this community that I have dealt with personally there have been no issues. I can't speak for Rick's experience. He has far more of it than I have but I've certainly had no issues with anyone. They've all been ranging anywhere from eminently civil to quite helpful. That's great to hear. Bob. I did want to ask about the consideration that's being offered here. I don't know that I've seen an easement before that that had a dollar amount attached to it. What are the circumstances that are that is driving the consideration? So there are two parts to the answer to that and I'll give you the historic part first which is that paying for easements is not a particularly unusual thing in kind of the overall utility business. The specifics of this easement are that the Howard's who own this property had previously granted an easement to the Huckleberry Island residents in order for them to build their bridge which actually crosses the Howard property rather than being right away and at that time they had asked the group of residents for compensation which was provided. Based on that their expectation was that if they were to grant us an easement we would pay for it. In order to address that and this is the second part of the answer we engaged a real estate appraiser who specializes in easements of this sort specifically utility easements and that's where the dollar value came from. As much as we would prefer to think that everybody in the district would cheerfully give us permission to work across their property without compensation that's simply not the case. So this is our our best effort. I'm assuming then that we would offer the same consideration to everybody else in the circumstance that we need easements from. That is our policy yes sir. So everybody will be getting appraised. We'll be going through the same process to do an appraisal of what the easement value is and offering that dollar amount. Do we see that happening in other places for example Altavia or we do see that happening in other agencies' jurisdictions? I'm talking about our jurisdiction. Within our jurisdiction I would say it's about 50-50. About half of the property owners will ask us for compensation of some kind the other half will not. On Altavia to your point the homeowner there was quite happy to simply give us the easement. Right understand. I do think there's a bit of a policy situation there though that in terms of treating everybody equally and if we're going to have a policy that we pay easements, pay compensation and in some cases I think we may need to have a conversation about making that a general policy. I don't want people to think that oh gee I could have asked for money but they've already signed the easement over. You know what I mean? It just it doesn't sit well with me on that. I like everybody to be treated the same either we do it for everybody or we don't do it for everybody. I understand entirely and I would point out that is of my opinion. No I understand and then this is I'm bringing up as a as a potential policy situation here. You know in work I've done in this area I've diligently tried not paid for easements but the circumstances are a little bit different typically those were you know new lines going in as opposed to replacing an existing line and that could all be part of the policy as well right so for developments and that sort of thing you would just basically get the easement in these kind of certain circumstances you wouldn't but I do think this is something that the board needs to address just to make sure we're treating everybody fairly and there's a policy in place. Gina would you have your hand up so I'll let you go next. Thank you and I wanted to provide some additional response to Director Foltz's question about payment for easements and one point that I wanted to make sure was clear is that the comp at the consideration that's presented in this easement agreement is the appraised amount of the easement and my recollection of that appraisal is that one of the reasons that it's relatively high is that the pipeline would essentially be relocated to a portion of the property that isn't currently burdened by easements and therefore you know because and Josh could correct me if I'm a little bit off on this the easement extends to about 10 feet on either side of the pipeline that creates a fairly significant area on the property that would then have you know essentially is restricted in terms of the property owner's ability to do anything on that area of the parcel and that's somewhat unique from some of the other easements that the district has in part and so there's nothing that would preclude the district from having a policy like Director Foltz describes but I just wanted to make sure for purposes this conversation that it's understood that this is a relatively high value easement because of the way it burdens this particular property yeah I understand how these easements are working and I figured that was the case I that there was at least 15 feet and I'm hearing 20 but again I you know this is one of the things that people voluntarily do it that's great but they need to know that I think that there's a different process in place I understand the value of this I'm certainly not going to vote against it but I'm I'm deeply troubled by treating people differently the values may be different based on circumstances but the basic policy of do you pay or not under particular circumstances we should be treating everybody the same in terms of a policy I think later for discussion of this I tend to agree with you Bob and even you know this high high cost one was only $11,000 so you know in the grand scheme of things it's it's just not that and and having it clear right what's happened I think there's a there's a value to that so I tend to agree with you but let's let's discuss this every time when Rick is around and whether this is a board policy or just an administrative policy let's do it other time okay Mark did you have something else you wanted to say yes um page 31 of the agenda it references a portion of the existing easement the district is releasing back to the Howard Howard family um how significant is that portion in comparison to what we're getting um can you describe that Josh I can I'm currently skimming through the board packet to find the page that has the diagram on it which is page 47 Josh while you're looking I just want to interject there that um I believe and you correct me if I'm wrong that the area that's being released is burdened by other easements whereas the area of the new easement may not have other may not have other easements on it the area that is being released which incidentally is shown on page 47 of the board packet is in the old southern pacific right of way I'm not clear on how that may or may not burden the property otherwise and it is so if it gets smaller than the area that we are being rented now I see okay okay thank you for my question Bob you you still have another question oops sorry about that Gail how about if I go to uh members of the audience and mark should put his down too any any comments or questions from elena or mark uh no uh then we basically have something in front of us where the board is uh I'll just make the motion that we adopt the resolution approving an easement acquisition agreement for an easement across apn 079 101 in brookdale sorry good all in favor say aye oh aye extensions okay Gail's making liberal use the voice votes and he's like we're getting out of this meeting yeah she wants she wants to be we're moving kind of silly to have roll call votes on things that are like it's pretty obvious that you know we don't need to record it okay Gail could I just ask a question would it be possible if when they say aye that they make some sort of because I can't tell who's saying what it's not it's it's very difficult to see if there's anything else being said or I think it's kind of obvious since there's no nose or abstentions that everything well that's true but you're right I haven't always heard that said so that's the only reason I'm asking thank you okay uh then we come to uh the last item of new business which is environmental services for bracken bray and forest springs and carly is going to present this one great thank you for the information I'd first like to point out that there was supplemental information added to the website and sent out to the agenda list to support and correct the recommendation for this item um I hope hopefully everyone got to take a look at that but it is in it is on the website now and I will be referencing it in my report so after the 2020 cvu complex fires two small water mutual companies bracken bray mutual and forest springs improvement and maintenance association approach the district to consolidate their systems into the district's jurisdiction from there the district did pursue funding through grants to the department of water resources and was rewarded awarded approximately 3.2 million dollars to complete the engineering design environmental review and construct the infrastructure needed to consolidate the water mutual companies into the district system the work included or will include the design of approximately 1.7 miles of newer replacement water main to bridge crossings booster stations and potable water storage tanks in july 2022 the district released a request for proposals which is attached as an exhibit to the supplemental information for environmental consulting services for the consolidation the rsp closed on august 17th and two proposals were received exhibit a is helix environmental planning inks proposal and fee schedule and exhibit b is panorama environmental inks proposal and fee schedule after further review of the two proposals it was noticed that helix environmental planning did not include development of the sequel analysis document as part of their scope and fee sheet resulting in a lower cost bid of forty three thousand and five hundred dollars the language of the rp was ambiguous as to whether proposals must include development of the sequel analysis document the ambiguity resulted from a legal recommendation to avoid directing potential environmental consultants as to what type of document was to be developed as part of sequel and a further effort to obtain comparable proposals from the two consultants staff and legal counsel to allowed helix to amend its proposal at fee sheet which is attached as an exhibit to the supplemental information package in an effort to provide fairness and transparency between the two consultants staff inform panorama environmental the higher bidding consultant of these issues and provided copies of both proposals staff believes both consultants have met the requirements stated in the rfb and are capable of completing the environmental services for the project the thus staff continues to recommend the lower bid submitted by helix at fifty eight thousand seven hundred fifty dollars so it is recommended that the board of directors review this memo the supplemental information and authorize the district manager to enter into a contract with helix environmental planning ink with a not to exceed amount of fifty eight thousand seven hundred fifty dollars for the brackenberry and forest brings consolidation staff is prepared to answer questions Amy so thanks for that carly and i appreciate the extra staff work that went into this to try and make sure that we had two comparable quotes my question is and i was a little unclear from looking at the supplemental i did see that you know legal believes that this is now you know a fair process having taken these steps but there was no time that that helix would have had an opportunity to see what panorama bid right there is the potential the agenda package was released on friday so they they could have seen the cost that panorama submitted in their proposal but it's it's not unknown but they still came in quite a bit lower it's not like they were a thousand dollars difference from panorama's quote okay so so that would lead to my follow-up question which is if that is the case would would panorama have some grounds to appeal the decision were we to award it tonight to helix and is there a process for that or what would what would we be dealing with if that did occur may i go ahead okay um the standards uh in terms of conducting a competitive bidding process are not as strict in the context of professional services as they are in the construction context um in in a nutshell what's most important is that the district treat all of the uh proposers fairly there aren't so many bright line rules about exactly how the process has to be conducted i don't see legal risks here that would compromise the process or result in any action by you know panorama helix or anyone else related to how the board decides to proceed on this matter but i mean that said it's not an ideal process and it's not something i would suggest that the district replicate in the future but i don't see any legal risks here based on how the board decides to proceed mark was okay mark go ahead thank you bob um i have significant issues with helix's proposal and i can't agree with the motion as put forth in front of us um i wanted to go through one specific aspect um and it's the resources that they propose to evaluate the resources being um environmental aspects if we look on helix's proposal on pages 76 through 78 we see that they propose to evaluate biological aquatic and cultural resources those three aspects only if we look on panorama's proposal which is on pages 92 through 93 of the agenda packet it's biological which includes wetlands cultural so that's equal with helix but then they also include air quality and greenhouse gas emissions transportation noise geology and soils um having done and reviewed the ir's environmental impact statements the resources that helix is proposing to evaluate i find to be insignificant um not substantial enough for what this project is going to entail i also have problems with helix's schedule i have problems with the proposal narrative um and um there are a couple of other aspects on panorama's proposal that i think give them uh i put more weight with theirs also so i can go through the rest of those if the board wants but i don't think you need to hear from me at mausium this to my difficulties we can come back mark how about that and let's i'm fine with that okay yes um well mark covered a couple of things that i had flagged as well i mean i know helix has done work for us and at least i'm pretty sure they've done work for us in the past right carly around the uh the fire um mitigation work right so so they have done this i think part of what mark is getting at is one of the things that i like to see in in board summaries is you know summary of costs summary of pros and cons summary of scope you know i think that that that brings out you know the items that need to be examined by the board and in this kind of thing um i have reservations about helix as well and my the thing i focused on was schedule i mean the difference in schedule was substantial i mean we're talking 3x um and i kind of said you know i don't you know i i know that this stuff is um you know i this isn't in my wheelhouse but i do engineering schedules i don't know anybody walks in with that kind of a difference i'm saying you gotta you gotta take a closer look at this um i know that there's a urgency to move forward on this quickly um and i know panorama has done work for us in the past and has done a really good job so i'm not concerned about them um you know is this something that staff wants to take another look at or do you need a decision tonight because if it's a decision tonight it's i'm not prepared to go with a recommendation harley would you like to respond sure yeah i ideally we move it forward tonight um i i'm very confident that panorama would be good to work with we've worked with them on very similar documents they've always been very efficient and well uh well versed in seaco especially um i think you know with helix the work that we did for the fuel reduction was well done but again that wasn't in the planning document so i can't really say what it would be like to work with them for sequa purposes um and if it means you know delaying the decision i would say i'd rather see us go ahead with with panorama and we also do have that grant money um so even though there's a slight difference in their cost we will be being reversed reimbursed for these costs uh well that was my next question was about cost so you know i'm sensitive here that the cost is different i mean it's twenty some thousand dollars right twenty eight thousand dollars no no not adjusted oh that that's right not with the adjustment right so i mean is the the the bracken bray four springs folks and they looked at this are they involved in this at all do they have a dog in the hunt they don't care no i don't believe they've they've weighed in on either proposal okay and uh this does get a hundred percent reimbursed out of that grant money right so there's no cost to the outside okay great thank you mark um specifically the cost differential is thirteen thousand four forty three between the two proposals um and panorama as part of their comments on their costs uh indicates that uh should the department of water resources allow for a reduced search buffer and this refers to the um archaeological aspects um costs and schedule could be reduced the individual that's doing the archival electrical uh dr colin busby has worked on projects that i've been involved in and i have seen him directly um push back on agencies to say uh this of what the agencies are asking for is more involved in what's necessary and he has won out on those two of my company's favor so i believe in him and that statement that they're making i don't think that that's just bluff that's put in there um as to the grant uh the grant that we have from dwr for environmental services is a hundred and twenty thousand so both of them are considerably less than what what we that is correct so which is great yes um carly did you have anything you want to say about what marx suggested i was just going to comment that we will need to complete the biological monitoring once the construction starts and the some of the mitigation that might be put in place as part of the sequel analysis so that will fall into that 120 in the grant as well so it is mom is a schedule of panorama going to be compatible with um frack and braze schedule or getting all this done so that you know their FEMA money is doesn't go away right yes i believe so josh and i have discussed that um we believe there might be some delays due to materials um so probably the environmental is not going to be the piece that's going to hold the project back and hopefully FEMA will grant some slack if you know delays and materials um i i would just maybe suggest to i don't know if you're planning of doing this or not but reach out to the frack and braze four springs people just will let them know this is happening and that there was a change assuming we move forward with can i ask if any members of the public elena or mark would like to comment on this item seeing no comments it sounds to me um uh i the thing i was i tend to find what marx said about the more expansive set of things that they're going to study especially having to do with geology and soils strikes me as pretty important and that may be way more substantive than for example um cultural resources in those particular areas um and my only concern really was the much longer timeline that we saw from panorama and you're kind of making me less concerned about that what is our history with panorama in terms of them producing things it seems to me i can remember one report that they were kind of slow on um and so is that going to be you have confidence that they will be able to live with or stay within their timeline yes i do um the the one large uh plan that they wrote for us wasn't a sequa document or it was our fire management plan and so that had a little bit of a different timeline especially because the fires occurred while we were writing that plan but i think there was amendments that had to be i guess there's a good reason okay right um but we are working through right now a um isnnd with panorama for the blue bridge tank project and we're on schedule and they've been producing everything well very well um and they're very efficient they're good to work with okay um jamey do you want to weigh in um i mean i'm uh you know i i am persuaded by marx concerns about um the the various elements of the environmental impact report that um panorama is going to complete as compared as compared to helix um to me some of those are very substantial issues and i appreciate the fact that he surfaced them because i would have been very surprised to learn having not noticed that myself in the documents that that they weren't studying those kinds of things as part of an environmental process um had we selected helix um so i uh i i can be persuaded to um vote in favor of panorama based on the board discussion okay so if that's acceptable to you uh barley uh i'll just ask josh if you're there did you know you have to work with these folks in a way is this do you have anything you want to say i am here yes um i don't really i'm not concerned i can deal with either that's the easiest way well then based on like the truth that i'm sort of getting here um i'd like to propose an alternative motion if that that's okay and that um that we move to authorize the district manager to enter into a contract with panorama environmental um with an amount not to exceed seventy two thousand one hundred ninety three dollars for the bracken bray and forest brings consolidation uh environmental services i will second that part of the um any comments by members of the public out there now that we have a motion in front of us how about by members of the board okay uh then uh why don't you go ahead um holly and take a roll call though please president may hood hi vice president ackerman yes director falls yes director smally yes motion passes unanimously um and and i agree with i think it was bob suggestion that we probably should does send this all along to the bracken bray and forest brings folks and and also reassure them that this is not going to be the you know the slowing step that actually pipeline issues of you know getting the materials is is really the control and hopefully femo will be sympathetic about that okay next we have the consent agenda um which is just uh two uh sets of minutes does anybody want to pull something from the consent agenda mark you have your hand up yes uh since both you and bob mentioned that it's not fema that we're dealing with for this cost recovery it's the department of water resources that we have to grab from sorry okay thank you for correcting that but they also have fema money they they do folks do so that but our grant yes our right i understand that our i understand that our grant covers that but i believe the schedule that um um that the bracken bray folks were in particular worried about was tied into the fema money right and our schedule from dw r is ended next year which uh well again hopefully they'll be sympathetic to the yes i mean look we're we're doing everything here to move it forward and we can't control supply chains so right yeah can't control when we get pipe yep okay does anybody want to pull something off of the consent agenda okay if not how about members of the public if not then we'll go on to district reports um there is no district manager report because rick isn't here tonight and carly says there's nothing to report unless he's texted you saying he got a you know big six point elk or something that we need to hear about not yet no he's he's just out scaring him right now okay um then how about uh department status reports any comments or questions none from the board how about from members of the public then we have a committee reports any comments or questions about those nope how about from members of the public oh mark sorry go ahead i'm sorry i was i apologize i was too slow to put up my hand i did have a couple of questions um on the engineering department report um cross country pipelines when do we expect uh our own kusinich to be completed the report is saying uh late summer or early fall and we're kind of at that point at this point i'm anticipating a receipt of the and these draft peer review in october okay and then on the bracken braid for springs um work that sandis is doing um or the engineering work when will they have a complete package they are working on design currently they just kindly finished all of the topo we had added some additional topo i would expect we will see a preliminary design from them towards the end of the first week of october possibly sooner okay and then i had a final question on the financial department report but i don't think kendra is here to address that yeah um we can okay there if there are any questions on the finance reports um we can send those questions to holly and then kendra will be back in early october so you should be able to get your answer before then but if you want to go ahead and state them for the record mark yes yes i do on page 142 it references um savings through vacant positions not being filled um in particular what's the status of um a replacement for nace position water quality manager i'm i'm most concerned about that one that's actually a i think that's a rick question so i will close that i think it is that's why i would yes kind of put it out there and but i do want to get it out there yep got it okay thank you that's all my questions uh i just had a comment on the engineering report and that is um josh please continue uh pushing the pedal to the metal um you know we're definitely making progress here and we just need to keep driving as quickly as we possibly can subject to supply chain but thanks for thanks for driving as hard as you are that's what you pay me for all right any other comments on um many reports or department status reports by members the board or members of the public josh you've got your hand up did you want to say something yeah it's come up a couple of times so i thought i should probably address it uh current supply chain issues pipe in the sizes that we use are currently in the 50 to 52 week delay range so holy nothing that we've done about it so just wanted to let people know holy so obviously we're not getting any better we're getting real work this is a lot worse yes my conversations with several of the pipe vendors lead me to believe it is going to be about like this or worse for probably another year hopefully delays will start coming down around this time next year and and where's the supply coming from this is all American pipe so it's all i've been talking to Ferguson iconics pace and a couple others is it raw materials i honestly couldn't tell you exactly what the issue is i just know that pipe is not coming out of the plants fast enough to supply all of the demand okay wow okay sorry to be the bearer of bad news yeah better to know shoot the messenger right no we don't all right okay um jamie well i just wanted to ask a quick follow-up question and you know i don't know if there is a protocol or process but you know as we are absorbing these unprecedented you know issues in the supply chain um you know i assume that we are not all i mean of course we're not alone so i assume that the the funding agencies that we have received various grants from to do this work you know is there a mechanism for extending the the deadlines for any you know grants that we um may have in hand if we find that we continue to need more time or there are two pieces to be answered to that the first is yes all of the agencies from which we receive grant money have a mechanism by which we can request extensions and we have used this with each of them on various projects for various reasons in terms of the pipeline backlog materials to lay specifically i have had conversations but not but not official exchanges with representatives of a couple of the agencies that we're dealing with and have been assured that they understand that this is what's going on and we have no way to to expedite other than possibly as we discussed two meetings ago us buying pipe in advance and we are actually working towards being able to do that but even that's only going to save us six weeks six to eight weeks so why doesn't fall of the just in time supply chain hey yeah bob well yeah when you rip up your supply chain for two years it's six a while we'll get back um jeana just following up on jamie's comment a little bit because i think she was getting to this as well as any of the loans and the c o p that we've taken out there was a time limit on these being tax-free two or you know tax-free bonds any of the is that going to be an issue for us or out of the people that bought them i don't anticipate any issues it's the the standard that we have to meet in terms of tax deductibility is is that it it has to be reasonably reasonable to complete the projects within three years at the time you take out the loans and then you have to diligently proceed to to expend the funds but it isn't like a you know when you hit the three years some suddenly your tax free status disappears or something um so i think that there's enough flexibility built into the way those tax rules work that we're not in danger of suddenly losing tax uh or i'm sorry tax-free status um but that said if you know if the projects were to drag you know five seven ten years then that's something we'd have to look at do we need to give notice or anything no we do not okay i don't think we we don't have any written communications uh so with that if there are no objections i will adjourn the meeting for this evening have a good night everyone all right so that's a uh 719 ending for our meeting thank you