 and welcome to the Matrix of Peace show produced by Think Tech Hawaii. I'm your host Phyllis Bles and I'm also the CEO of Peace Through Commerce. Our guest today is calling in from a city very near Tel Aviv in Israel. Her name is Iris Sade Rosler and she is an organizational consultant who works with practical hands-on conscious leadership practices. We are discussing the applied conscious leader practices with an emphasis on resilience, listening and empathy. So with that we'll welcome you Aloha Iris. Shalom Phyllis. Well, thank you. Iris you have had quite a long career as an organizational consultant and I wonder if you could take us back a little bit and tell us what got you into this space and and let us know what you actually, how you define what you think about conscious leadership? Well, I think my purpose is to help leaders be the best versions of themselves, mainly in their working place. We spend many hours, we spend many hours at work all our life, either if we work for someone or we work for ourselves it doesn't really matter and we might as well do the best out of it and when I help the leaders, I noticed during time that I use, well they use their senses and I do too and I help them be the best version of themselves through their senses and we'll talk a little bit about the book I wrote, chapter in UMPATH Youth and one of my first memories is just hanging on the trees, climbing on trees and my legs up and my head down and I try to do it in yoga right now but it doesn't really work but the feeling, the sensation of being upside down, seeing the world upside down, feeling the sun in my eyes and the wind on me, this for me is the feeling that I want to have in my life and I want to help people have the feeling that they want to have in their lives and combine it with the work. I'm hoping that I explain myself well but just ask and I'll answer. Yes well you are, so what I'm hearing is it from a young age and we saw a picture of you out on the ledge from a height you were on in that Israel? Well yeah that is Israel and I put this picture in one of my presentations because I had an interview for an Israeli newspaper a few years back for International Women's Day so the reporter was asking me, inside you, what are you? So I said I'm a facilitator in the Girl Scouts and this is a picture when I was a group facilitator for the Scout in Israel when I was I don't know 16 years old some of my children call me Girl Scouts coach and this is what I do actually. Yes so what I hear and I think there's a story you might be sharing with us that shows up in the book there on the thing that's in Hebrew but that your empathic self or you share that. That's the name of the book. Yeah and what I'm gathering from you is that when you came into the world of business and leadership yourself as an organizational consultant that you have brought along a dimension to leadership training that includes the senses and that that and if you could just let the audience know who are some of these clients of yours and what areas are we looking at as I understand it we're looking at high-level CEOs and across all sectors but tell us about who you're working with if you could bringing a whole different style of coaching into their life. Yeah it's true I came to it by mistake like all good things happen you know because I was I studied leadership and I studied group facilitation and all the regular stuff that you study in university and I did workshops for team building and all kinds of things that well the regular stuff that that is good and then I noticed and this is from writing this chapter in the book when the editor interviewed me for this chapter and I'm just reading just two sentences she asked me what are you doing so I said I'm a mentor and what do you do as a mentor I enable leaders to be the best version of themselves using their senses so and she asked me how do you do it so I said I help them connect to their bodies to their souls and then to their career and purpose I work mostly outdoors and in groups so I noticed that this is what I do and I just wrote it down um so you wanted examples okay yes but yes so you were saying and just before the show got started we were saying that right behind you is one of the places and the spaces that you have done you're consulting and organizational work tell us what are we seeing there well we're seeing a nature resort it's a really big nature resort and it's called a biblical nature resort in Israel it's the only one in Israel I think I was telling one in the world and I do there are many outdoor workshops for leaders mostly governmental leaders like officers in the army officers in the police force but not only municipalities and women we have a really nice women's leadership training over there and what we do is just we do stuff like we can there is a herd of sheep this is the place where the sheep goes so they tried they tried to lead the the sheep and and if you read the bible then you see that most of the leaders the biblical leaders were shepherds and then they became leaders for for people first of all they they studied how to lead the herd and then they studied how to lead the herd of people yes so that's that's what they do and they can't do it they can't lead anything and there are a bunch of people trying to take some I don't know maybe 20 sheep and when when it's a professional shepherd it's one person over maybe 50 or 60 sheep so this is the one but there are a lot of things that we do over there we just do stuff outdoor training now do stuff and then study from it about their own leadership well you know yeah well you know whenever would what you have to say to somebody to lead them matter less than when they're sheep so it was you're you're you've moved into the senses and maybe you could take us there too maybe tell us a little bit about these the senses of leadership and I know you brought your own proprietary work and combined it to other work but let's take a look I think we have a slide here too just give the audience a gestalt of what we'll be covering a little bit today and then you can help us go through a practice so what are we seeing we're seeing all the senses and of course the sixth sense which which I called intuition I took intuition out of the sixth sense but it can it has a lot of stuff in it and I just gathered many many things that are connected to the senses and that can help people improve their leadership it's really hands-on like if we talk about smell it's just for example and as you know we talked about it before smell is the primary sense it's a sense that is very connected even to animals in a good way because it's it senses directly to a place that we were very very young and and and and very not mature in a good way what do I mean like if I ask someone okay what is the first smell that you remember most of the time it will be something from either from his grandmother's house his mother's house flowers in the fields where he grew up so it could be a very very it will it will send him to a very primary place so stop right so stop just a minute because I think you're going to take us through a practice the practice is hands-on and for for those of us who are who are listening to us at home just you can you can pause right now after hearing their instructions and take some time and close your eyes and when you close your eyes imagine feeling a sensation a picture something from your childhood when you felt really good when you felt the best time of your life and feel this moment in your body and then pay attention to the senses pay attention to the smell pay attention to what you're seeing pay attention to what you're hearing pay attention if it feels somewhere in your body and I'm not saying any places because I don't want to give you any ideas pay attention to what you what you feel in in your touch do you feel something touching you and and once you you felt everything about it just open your eyes slowly and write it down for yourself are you going to write it down well I am just because I want I I believe in you and I want and I know I'm going to refer to it later so yes I wrote it down okay so let's let's work with it right now and then go back to to the senses because I think giving an example helps people understand what is it that you when you work with the senses uh so Phyllis do you want to share yes so I grew up in southern California and I think I was happiest at the beach and I and it you took me when I closed my eyes first I could feel the sand I could smell the salt water I can smell that even before the family got to the coastline we could start smelling it coming in through the car even if I wasn't tall enough to see out the windows I'd say oh daddy we're near the beach we're near the beach because I could smell the salt water and then we get there and you know that's just so different barefoot running in the sand plunging into the water and then the water's cold and salty and and the so salt sensation of cold sand and water on my skin uh and then in terms of hearing in addition to the waves which are overwhelming there's I could hear laughter of other children there's some there was such an innocence to what I heard that that calms me to this day somebody did something called it's something hdmr or something mdr there's that yeah it's a it's a kind of post-traumasized thing that's right that's right and I remember they that uh there too hearing children laugh on a beach you don't know them but you're with them that the sort of laughter that you hear coming in a playground or from a beach is so wild and safe and fun it it relaxes my whole body and I felt it in my stomach but I also felt it all over my skin uh and I guess the heat so that's what I'm for me so thank you thank you for um doing this for me with me and for me because it uh the sensation came back to me it's like a boomerang you you give you give it to me and then it it comes back to you uh and and I can see your face and it's your face is so excited right now and emotional in a good way um and and and you were talking about I think all the senses actually and uh and I mean I'm taking you were talking about feeling the sand smelling the uh the beach uh feeling the sun on your face and hearing the the laughter and uh and and and smells and maybe not taste but maybe the taste of salt when you get into the water I'm not sure I don't want to put things in your mouth uh and and and we're giving this example uh of of how you can work with leaders uh talking about senses because once you want to calm yourself and once you want to get into this black balance situation you know what you do you go into water you go to the beach you go to a sunny place you go to places where we're chill where you hear laughter children it's it's easier than we think and and this is working with uh childhood memories which are nice and good but sometimes sometimes it's not even childhood memories it's just other memories or just other sensations that are connected to to the senses and the senses are connected so so uh deeply um and and and you can work with it you can work with it I can give another example it's an example for from a book you want to be very uh tough in a meeting then you touch tough things you go you go barefoot on a ground that is really harsh but if you want to be uh softer then you walk on sand like you said and so this is not me this is researcher actually when when sometimes I bring research to this and uh and and and working with the senses it's it's amazing it's amazing so you know you remind me that visualization what I've heard that uh uh athletes people who are in high competition needs or individual athletes they apparently they visualize themselves going over the high bar or doing the perfect basket and that and I'm sure that is that's been game changing for elite athletes who just get the extra half second in a marathon but or and maybe better than but and if if we went in and touched tasted smelled those those properties in life around us that recreate that event or that image of the future it it wouldn't maybe it engaged all parts of the body to actually be there in the moment and that's I don't think leaders are taught to do that or or even you know somebody trying to pass a test uh walk into the first day of of a job or resign from a job all of those things you want to have it the way you imagine it turning out you could also taste it smell it feel it hear it turning out yeah that sometimes sometimes I ask people most of the time I ask people like I'm asking them to tell me some uh crisis story because this is part of managing your own leadership being a conscious leader so something that happened to you that was a crisis that you overcome through or not whatever and then I ask them I ask them where where did you feel it in your body when you were really in this bad moment where did you feel it in your body so I know for me it's mostly in the stomach when I'm like in a bad place I feel it in the stomach but many people like feel it here they can't breathe right like in this chuck line in in the in their throat or in their shoulders or the back uh but once you know you are aware of or of what happens to you when you get into a bad place then you know that you got into a bad place because you feel it before before you even analyze it early warning system yeah early more early warning system really yes oh and then you're more conscious as a leader because you know even if you didn't think you were triggered you you know you consciously that you have been and therefore you don't you don't lose your sense of self you don't fly off i handle you don't say things you regret you might but but as you said as you were saying this consciousness of the way you're showing up as a leader is different than just showing up as a leader exactly and uh Phyllis and I met through Shakti leadership and we're talking a lot about Shakti leadership and which is well I guess the same as conscious leadership and um being a conscious leader is is first of all what we what we called in Shakti leadership the step in knowing yourself knowing yourself and the step up is being a leader uh so it's I guess it's step in and step up and step out uh doing what you're doing as a leader it's it's all the steps but uh looking at any different way of of consciousness through your own senses um I have another example actually you know what hold your thought because I want to connect the dots here to the matrix of peace oh okay sure sure as a as a peace building problem solving model we are we teach at peace through commerce from this model called the matrix of peace and we'll show you the version of the model so when I had the author of Shakti leadership Neelima Bhatt on the show with me we used this slide and we called it we called the matrix model the soil of peace and we called the people you me those of us who acquire a more conscious way of being in leadership the seeds of peace but the seeds of peace need to have need a safe place to operate and what this model shows is this is a just a of a Venn diagram but it's of a society and in the next slide you can see that as any diagram it's made up of the three basic circles the public private and civil society sectors and in our work we know that to co-create ecosystem peace we need the necessary but sufficient conditions of justice and prosperity and sustainability which is not just green but it's also actions and sustainable relationships in the workplace or at home and we know that in from a societal management standpoint that it takes cooperation of each of the sectors of society working together interrelationally interdisciplinarily to co-create these conditions and when they all three are there then then they support ecosystem peace sustainable peace which is the superordinate intersection of this basic Venn diagram but what we have added and what we're talking about today what so on the next slide we can we show when you have fragile states or very very undeveloped states though they often don't have really healthy operating sectors at all and they need help they need these consciousness values your practices like resilience listening and empathy which is which is go to the heart of what you teach people when people can step into those practices the next slide shows that with the con those are consciousness practices and they move the people from outside sector behavior into into the intersections of justice prosperity and sustainability from a societal modeling standpoint so this whole show it really is focused on your contribution to creating in the world conscious leaders who are accessing resilience listening and empathy and the all six senses to navigate out of sector silo behavior me versus them into intersectionality behavior by reducing their fear reducing their their welfare anger hate I would say managing their fear oh there you go at redo not just really is a good thing but if you manage it yes if you manage it then then you're in charge and it isn't in charge of you and that's managing the anger and managing uh um I don't know frustration as a leader imagine it managing yourself so does this set you up for one more example or do you want is there something I think there is another discipline that you use called the basic pH model I don't know but I don't think uh I don't want to read about it it's uh it's it's too uh it's too fast to talk about it yeah and we did show the slide that people want to stop the show and just look at who who developed it and then they can go look that up because that's important but share it can you share your story in six thirty seconds well it's it's just it's a short example of this leader I've been working with as you know Israel is not in a good situation right now and uh we talk we say that we do a war life balance not work life balance oh this is what we work with people and he tells me that this uh he has a person working for him every time this person goes into the room he just wants to yell at him because I don't know he doesn't they don't they don't match so I tell him where do you feel it so he tells me I feel it here in the in my stomach but not in my stomach connected to my heart okay so I tell him every time you feel it just breathe breathe into it oh and and I think this is a good example because it's it's very human to feel like that I agree oh thank you so much for just leaving that practice with us today we'll have to leave it there and I want to let the audience know that you have been watching The Matrix of Peace show produced by Think Tech Hawaii I'm your host Phyllis Blyse and CEO of Peace Through Commerce we've been discussing applied conscious leadership practices with emphasis on the practices of resilience listening and empathy with our guest Iris Sade Rosler mahalo iris for joining us hello from Israel and mahalo to you our viewers for tuning in aloha