 It's fantastic to have the ability to be able to come along to a living camp and actually be able to burn and use life fire for training. We probably put a line in the top and then another line from 7.5 to 7.5. This is the chance for them to do the hands on stuff. It's educationally I suppose it's a simulation but it's a fair income simulation where they actually get to plan, prepare a burn and then actually be involved in the conduct itself. We get to see different equipment, see how people work and we get to pass on our experience and hopefully that's passed on to other people within their local brigades and within the community. We're lucky enough to work with HPV, Parks Victoria, DELP. We've got staff here, volunteers, people from all different walks of life and to be able to merge everyone's knowledge and ideas, put that into use and learn more yourself, be able to take it back home and share it with everyone else, absolutely. They do it in either spot ignitions or lines and that will vary as they go along and they carefully control this side obviously because this is where they're taking the fire away from. So the guy leading the ignition there and he's instructing his lighters where he wants the fire and how much. It worked really well that we've done a couple of small burns and then today to get on to this larger one and it's got such very terrain and vegetation that the guys are actually seeing the fire response to all those variables of fuel weather and topography. Very happy with the results today, I believe we've achieved the objective. It's been a really great opportunity for inter-agency work together and a great opportunity for not only the CFA but the Forest Fire Management Victoria to work together and learn from each other and improve their experience. Just a great learning experience, it's really learning by doing and it's reinforced everything that we've been talking about, all the safety aspects and the fuel types and the likely fire behaviors and things that they've just been able to witness here today is just wonderful.