 Jim, thank you so much for joining us on This Is Purdue. Oh, thank you. It's so good to be back. Good. Well, you're back in West Lafayette. How do you feel? Is there some nostalgia coming back? Oh, I love it. This is, you know, when I think of West Lafayette, I think of family. I think of all the good times we've had. Some of the memories we've made, you know, around here on and off the field are just remarkable. So yeah, every time I come back, it's like coming home. And you're here because you're being inducted into the Indiana Football Hall of Fame. Congrats. Thank you very much. How does that make you feel? Are you just overwhelmed or were you surprised? Well, you know, I always like to football as a team sport. And I know there's individual honors, and I've been on the end of some fine honors. And this is absolutely one of the best. So anyone I'm honored. But I also have a lot of thanks. Thanks for my teammates, my coaches, Leon Burtonette, who passed away. I mean, all these people in my life who touch me. And so it kind of motivates me to try to pay it forward and think about, oh, yeah, we've got this. We're doing these things. But I couldn't have gone out there without my parents, my teammates, Purdue, the whole deal. So I'm appreciative of not only the award, but of family, I guess I didn't want to call it, that it was all part of it with me. And that, to me, is super rewarding. And let's go back to your time at Purdue. So you went to high school in New Mexico. What brought you to Purdue in the first place? Well, I was being recruited nationally. We had a really good team. We were undefeated. We had six guys go Division I for a New Mexico team. So that was, yeah, we were pretty thin. So it finally came down between Stanford and Purdue. And both of them are great quarterback schools. And I just don't think I was ready for California just yet. As you are there now. Oh, late bloomer. And it's pretty nice out there. There's good and bad in every place that you live in. And I just found that that was a nice place. The weather's good, the whole thing. But going back down to how I got here, there was a lady named Walnut Deverman, who was an English teacher at El Dorado High School. And she was a Purdue alumni. And she ended up getting on the phone with Jim Young. She was instrumental on making sure Jim came out and had a personal visit. And I was just, at the time, Mark Herman, all the success they were having at Purdue. And cradle of the quarterbacks was all, I'm like, yeah, I want to be part of that. I don't want to be an astronaut yet, but I don't want to be one of those quarterbacks. And it wasn't easy either. Because there was the journey along the way. They had Scott Campbell. I was a backup. I was fourth string. So it wasn't like, hey, Jim, here's just coming. And nowadays, it's like guys jumping in and out of the portal. They change stuff. We didn't have it that easy back then. So there was a lot of endurance, patience, and a lot of hard work that went into it. And a lot of stuff that each one of my teammates had to push each other for us to be in a time that we could have a season where we'd be at Michigan Notre Dame, Ohio State. And to me, that was really cool. Yeah, like how did that teach you overall in life? A lot of guys nowadays would leave if they had to wait to play quarterback for three years, like you did. How did that teach you persistence and overall life lessons when you think back on that? Well, it was a different mindset. We didn't have phones in our pockets. We didn't have instant media. We didn't have all these different. We kind of had to figure it out. If you had a question, you'd have to actually look at a dycopedia to find an answer. But now it's just instantaneous. So life was different. It was a different pace. And it was like, if you were going to do something, you kind of had to create it. You had to work really hard for it. And I'm not saying that that's still not applied today because it does. It's just that we had a coaching change from Jim Young to Leon Burtonette. And nowadays, I think a lot of guys could move with your coaches or move instantaneously. We had it still have the year penalty at our time. It was one of those things that you just don't do off the cuff and just say, hey, I'm out of here. So you worked through it. And plus Leon kept the staff with Bob Spoo and Jim Coletto and all those guys. So I was very familiar with that. I just had to earn their trust to be their quarterback, which it was a tough road and very rewarding. Do you think your teammates helped you within that too? And kind of that team spirit and boiler maker spirit? It did. I mean, I like my roommate's who Jack Berry is the godparents of my kids. It's still influential in my life. So yeah, I mean, we had discussions. And I didn't want to leave my family to go do something else. I had thought about one time going to San Diego State. And the staff wanted me there. And as much as we could talk during those times. But I really wanted to be a Purdue quarterback. And maybe it's because sometimes when you have a hard head, it pays off. And sometimes it doesn't. But this one I did. For you it paid off. So we talk about that trifecta Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Michigan, that you led the team to those three victories. And it hasn't happened since. Were people doubting the Purdue team back then? Were people surprised that you and the team were able to pull that off? You know, it's the tradition people are going to doubt. It's the mindset of the team that makes the difference. So when you're talking about five star recruiting athletes, you're competing with the Alabama's. You've got Ohio State. And so we had to figure out some other different ways that we were going to find victories. And that had to do with our mentality. Maybe not believing the box that people want to put us in. Tell us about a fun favorite memory that you had playing at Purdue. Fun playing memory. All right. I would say one of my first starts my junior year. And we were playing Notre Dame at this held. The first game ever in Indianapolis in the Hoosier Dome, which now has already changed out, but that's the NFL. That's a whole other story. But so Notre Dame agrees to have their home game moved down to Indianapolis. It's a start that I've got two blue chip All-Americans, Doug Downing, Jeff Huber behind me, and Blanc says, if you're not heads and shoulders above these freshmen, I'm going to start a freshman. So I better play good. No pressure. So we're playing them. And it's so funny because a good friend of mine in California, Steve Berline, who I talk to all the time, was the quarterback. It was a freshman quarterback for Notre Dame. And so they were ranked, I believe, number two in the country, or number two or eight, one of those. And so again, the box they put us in, we didn't have a chance. We ended up going down to that stadium. It wasn't like going into Notre Dame. Them moving a home game to a neutral site was very helpful. And our fans showed up, and that's what Purdue does. And then we gave a few things to scream about. So after that game, job security wasn't as much of an issue as it was before. And so I could kind of relax and kind of get in my groove and built confidence. And I think you're looking at 20-year-old guys. And if you can build confidence in young people, big things happen. Yeah, I just had the pleasure of talking to Coach Braum and he almost had those exact same words and just building up these young men into people that are good on and off the field, right? Right, and I think in today's age, it's easy to criticize our leaders. Easy to criticize mistakes. It's easy to do all this stuff. But when you're in a position where you can build somebody and they're young people believing in themselves, very powerful. Yeah, so you won the Big Ten Medal of Honor. It's a huge, huge achievement. How did you feel at the time when you won that? I had the time, to be honest, I don't know if I really understood all the stuff. I look back on it now. I look back at being two-time Purdue athlete of the year. I mean, I didn't really, when you're involved in something and you're so engrossed in what you're doing and folks and pro football was and trying to, I don't think that stuff didn't really hit me until later, a little bit later in life and going, oh, wow, that was pretty special. Oh, wow, that even Sigmakai of being a significant sig hit me a little bit later. It's like, maybe because it's the first year I'm a grandpa, maybe I'm reflecting a little bit more but I'm looking at things a little different and way more appreciative of understanding what all that is and what those awards mean. So I'm gonna be honest, it took me some time to really put that in perspective about where they were because I felt like I was still in the moment, still making advancements and other, trying to be an all pro, trying to be the best I could. Yeah, and watching guys like Drew Brees do it for 20 years. I mean, we had different rules back then. They actually used to hit us. I could imagine playing that game to age 40 but now they're doing it. I mean, Tom Brady, good luck man. Yeah, yeah, it is different. So part of the big time Medal of Honor is academics. Tell us about your academic life at Purdue and what you majored in. Well, that was one of the main reasons why I came to Purdue. I mean, it was a industrial management degree from the business school at Cranart. A lot of the other schools I didn't feel, all right, let me fill this in backstory. My parents, my dad was a professor and my mom was a teacher. So academics was always kind of like, bring home the A was automatic. That was what we did. So our expectations were up here. And so when I was looking at my school choices between school like Stanford and Purdue, to me they were on par about what they wanna do. Stanford was more economics. Purdue was a little bit more business and I wanted computers. Even though we were doing the computers back in the day when we put the cards in and all that stuff, not like today what we have in our pocket was way more stronger than what we could buy. But I always kind of liked the tech star. I still do. And it was a way for me to kind of hit my other love as far as being able to be involved in business, which I ran an asset management company for almost 15 years. And so I got to apply that. And of course we were one of the first in the technology in to go all digital. And I think we're still moving all digital to today. And it's a transition that I've got to see during my lifetime from the first Mac computers to phones in your pocket to possibly money being digital. Right. So when you look back at the drafts, like you're saying there wasn't social media, there wasn't all of this almost, I mean, there's hype around it, right? But it's a different type of hype. What were you feeling like as a very young man as a first round draft pick? Well, first of all, I didn't know where I was gonna go. Okay. Okay, so the draft is a, you know, as everybody knows, you don't know if you're gonna be playing in a cold weather place or so as our draft went down, Bo Jackson goes one and everyone on the planet knew Bo Jackson was going one. Atlanta has the next pick. They don't have a quarterback, but they decided to go to, and I met with Dan Henning on our way going down to spring break. They picked Tony Casillas. And I'll hold that back because we played Atlanta every year and I had that in the back of my head the whole time, like Atlanta didn't pick me. So when you see these guys get drafted in the like DAC press got, you know, teams passed on him three times. He didn't get drafted the fourth round in by Dallas. So he's looking at every team going, I want them, I want them, they make it personal. And don't think they don't. Well, Houston has the third pick. They got Warren Moon and Indianapolis has the fourth. Well, Indianapolis needs a quarterback. My agent's working with Indianapolis, which was maybe not as legal at the time, but we pretty much had a contract. So I kind of knew where I was gonna be. I thought I was gonna be a fourth pick. Well, Houston ends up picking me and, you know, making a long story short, they ended up picking me to trade me. And while I thought I was preparing to go 60 miles down the road and play for the Colts because they needed a quarterback, my path went differently. Got drafted by Houston, ended up with trade bait and it was kind of a, I felt like a piece of meat. And, you know, they ended up moving out to and there's stories within that. I almost went to Green Bay. I almost went to San Francisco, ended up with the Rams and it worked out from there. But it was kind of nice being able to go, be a high draft pick and go to a team that was established. So it was a little easier. Some of these guys coming out, Joe Burrow over in Cincinnati, first pick, goes to a bad team, Troy Aikman, first pick, goes to Dallas, goes one and 15 the first year. There's a lot of things that people could say, oh, you know, Troy was a bust because of that first year. A lot of things that would happen today or they try to, you know, put you in that box I'm talking about, but this is, this is let's label him as a bust or this or that. Well, he might be playing for a bad team and usually the number one pick guys are. So I'm slow to judge on quarterbacks. I think it takes a while to develop. I think we're gonna see, you know, probably I think Jack's first start, a plumber's first start, you know, and I'm gonna judge him on one game, but he needs to develop. And if he is the ticket, then, you know, Purdue have a lot better chance. So were you bummed about not playing for the Colts? Was your heart set on that? Well, I really, you know, because we had a draft party in the morning and we all knew it's gonna be Indianapolis. And then when Houston calls me on the phone, I'm like, what? And then I was like, okay, I gotta fly down to Houston and do all these interviews. And I'm not, I would just felt like I was just out of sorts. It was, I was, yeah, I was prepared to play for the Colts. I was looking forward. They needed a quarterback. They needed someone to, we led the offense, the nation offense the last two years in college. Of course, I think I could have done great things for the Colts. It would have been, you know, an easy transition. It just didn't work out that way. Yeah, like were you shell shocked going from West Lafayette, Indiana to eventually Los Angeles? Well, it was not that quick because I actually had to hold out. So, and then I had to really threaten to sit out for the next draft. And it was three days before the deadline. I didn't get traded. So, yeah, there was a lot of drama between just, just going from West Lafayette there. I actually, at the time, invited Chuck Long who's actually holding out from Detroit invited him to go to Hawaii with me. So we both would, maybe hold up our contract values, but he caved and went to Detroit and, but yeah, it took a while. I mean, in fact, the first year I was in a hotel the whole year, just trying to learn an offense and ended up starting at the end of the year. So, I mean, I didn't have, I didn't have any time to really enjoy the California life. It wasn't until the next year I started, you know, find a place to live, try to get settled. Really, we brought in a new offense, but there's a lot of work. I mean, that's when I look at the pro football and you see the games on Sundays, there's a heck of a lot of work that goes into it. Even with college levels, all the stuff you see on Saturday, the preparation that they do, and the limitations now that you can have with the athletes, very difficult. Your system has to be clean, has to be easy, has to be, and then the guys have to really wanna self do it, self, and if you've got a team that can motivate themselves to try to get that extra practice reps in, because of the rules they have now, and even with the pros, I mean, I go to the camps, they don't have two days anymore, they have one, but it's a lot of mental reps, and you have to have guys that are disciplined. And do you think when we talk about social media and how that's exploded, like, would you have been able to play now with all of these people, with all this hate that they, what is it called, the Monday? Oh, I would love social media. Don't get me wrong, I would've loved it. I would, I would. Would you have clapped back? No, well, this is the deal, back in our time, if you had someone wrote a story, you can't respond. Right. And so it would behoove you to be friends with these guys, so you could, and we would go out and have beers with Jeff, and the stories that you would tell them, like, hey, don't tell them the same thing, but this is what we're thinking. You know, you kinda give them a little, well, the 90s when the whole media bomb changed, and we had sports illustrated, and all these new, sporting news, and all these, and all that, it became competition, and it became all these different stories. And it wasn't always someone writing something friendly about you, or maybe, I remember there was a reporter in general, he had his own agenda, trying to either run out of coach, one time running me out. And so then you didn't have a way to respond. Unless you had another friend in the meeting. Now, you can just call it out. You can go right to the public. You can say, hey, no, this isn't how it is. Now, on the flip side, yeah, you can say something really stupid, really quick. So, yeah, but if you're gonna ask me, would Jim, would you rather have a voice or not have a voice, I'll take the voice. Now, is there mistakes possible that young men can make? Absolutely. And I give them a hall pass too, because we're all human. Right. So, I think there's some goods and bads, but I think it's very, very cool. That's an interesting take. I love it. Like I said, you came from West Lafayette, you lived here, and then you moved to LA, and I know it took some time to adjust. But what about, like, how is it different for you to immerse yourself on the West Coast, you know, where's the East Coast? Well, first of all, I came from Kansas, went, grew up in New Mexico. Coming to West Lafayette was an adjustment for me. Going back out to California wasn't as much as an adjustment for me. I mean, I was used to the mountains, the desert being from New Mexico, the sky being, you know, a little bit more clear. So, I mean, the traffic, all the other, you know, busy stuff, the competition with the Lakers and the Dodgers, I mean, it's, there's a lot of stuff to do out there. And a lot of competition. I didn't realize that. I mean, when you're in West Lafayette, when you're the show on Saturday, you're the show. When you're in California, you got a show on Saturday. Well, you might, you know, you've got a bunch of shows going on. We would not even maybe entertainment or, so you're just kind of a, kind of, there's a bigger pond out there. So it was, that was an interesting part. But I enjoyed it. I enjoy the weather. I enjoy the, I enjoy the fan base. It's a little bit more of a melting pot. You have a lot more diversity in all different facets of life. So, yeah, I fit in fine with that and it works out well. But it was a, it wasn't as much of a transition. I thought it was a harder transition coming from New Mexico to here and experience into like third coldest day in Purdue's history at one point in time. After 20 inches of snow, I'm like, would I just get myself into? Those are not fun days at Purdue. They happen every once in a while, not, not, not often, but they used to have this machine that would, that would spin and knock all the snow off. Well, sometimes that machine would go down and all it would do is be like a Zamboni for the sidewalks, you can see people just wiping out. And I was like, oh, this is, this is good. We gotta set up the camera out here. So, tell us about a favorite experience or story with the Rams? A favorite experience with the Rams. I've got a ton of those. I mean, we've spent 12 years in the seasons for, I probably, probably have to talk about playing New York, the Giants. And I don't care which game you wanna pick. I just love playing the Giants. You know, the Giants are the type of team that they, their fans know more about your mom than you know. And so when you play them, you really wanna, you know, just get after them because when they're quiet, when they're a fan, it's the best. So I would have to say there was a championship game we were playing and we were going into overtime and hit flipper for a touchdown and he keeps running through the end zone. And man, when that stadium was quiet, it was like the best. And there's always this New York LA, you know, big city thing, but that was just, I mean, we always like playing Dallas too. You always had the extra gear to play Dallas just because, just because. San Francisco, same thing. So, but I would have to say one of my favorite moments would have to be against the Giants. Speaking of, there was one time we threw five touchdowns against them and Belichick was a defensive coordinator. And so that was kinda cool. They kept trying to play this cover too and we kept hitting the turkey hole on him and he just couldn't stop it. And well, there's many, many other ones. I had such a good relationship with Ernie Zampezi, our offensive coordinator and North Turner and all the guys there. And John Robinson, I thought was, treated everyone like men. And that's the coaching style that I like. I mean, it's respectful. You get the most out of your guys and you treat them like men. Did you, speaking of men, I mean, did you feel like you had a girl up fast, being in the NFL at that young of an age? So honestly, when I first got to the NFL, I thought Purdue prepared me very, very well. It really did. I mean, I thought our offense at Purdue, initially when I first came and played with Eric Dickerson, it was kind of Mickey Mouse passing game. I mean, it was, I mean, you got to run back, ran for 2,000 yards on the ground. You don't really have to develop much else, right? I'm sure Tennessee does that with Derek Henry. You know, it's a lot less pressure, but we got into the point where we needed to step our passing game. And that's when I think that our offense started taking off is when we started getting more complex. Some of the stuff Coach Brahm is using, some of the West Coast offense, some of the different things. And that's where our development, I think, from probably two to five years in the league really, really took off because we were doing a lot more complex things. And that was a fun part of this league. When you're doing things and the defense can't figure it out, they eventually all do. And then they move to a different system or then they have mobile quarterbacks or then they have, you know, wildcat offense. There's always something new, but if you look through the history of sports, you usually pick and choose different areas and you can bring something back and coaches haven't seen it. You know, in high school, they were doing all the pistol offense. That was new, and that's old. That's, the wishbone will probably come back. So when you think about so Nair and Southern California, the Rams left. They came back. Oh, yeah. Are you involved with them now because they're back? Well, there was an interesting time. The Rams, I left a year, I went to New Orleans the year before they left. So we had a chance to come back and play it. And they were a bad team. I was on a bad team. It was, we just, we killed them. They didn't have a chance and we talked about that off. So then they moved to St. Louis. And if people know the economics of the NFL, it all makes sense. It wasn't about the fans. It wasn't about the city. It was all about the money and stadiums. So if you have a stadium, you get revenue share, 60, 40, but everything behind the glass goes to the home team. So that's why you see all these stadiums with big glass, all boxes that the home team gets to keep that money. So if you're playing in like Coliseum, there's no glass. You're sharing all the revenue with your opponent. Jerry Jones makes all the money at his place. And then he makes a lot more money at your place. So it doesn't make economic sense unless you have a great stadium. St. Louis had a great stadium. Georgia could make a lot more money. And I don't know anybody that works that wants to work for less. If there's an opportunity to make more money like anybody else, a plumber, electrician, anybody that's working, they made perfect sense for it to go. I didn't have anything to do with that. As far as the California fan base or this or that. Now, California doesn't like losers. And so she was losing it on that part because they just didn't have a good team. And I was part of a team that wasn't good at the end. So I went to New Orleans. We ended up having the top ranked offense again for the next two or three years. And that was fun. And then, so then I stayed in LA. We were without a team for 21 years. I always thought it would be a new franchise that came back or a, what would they call them? What would it be? And then Jacksonville, there was rumors. Jacksonville, I mean, every time a team needed a new stadium at their home place, they would say, we're going to LA. There's no stadium in LA. That was their excuse for leverage. And that's what the NFL likes to do. It wasn't until Kronke came in, Stan Kronke, and then he developed, he committed $5 billion to build the stadium. I mean, let that sink in. Who runs around and has $5 billion just for a house? I mean, that's pretty impressive. And if it wasn't someone like Mr. Kronke, it wasn't going to happen. So by him taking out the race park, putting in this development, his stadium, his personal commitment, which was huge, that whole SoFi stadium wouldn't happen. Rams wouldn't be back. The Chargers wouldn't be there. So that was a huge commitment. And Jerry Jones knew that. And that's why he brought Mr. Kronke in. And so that's very progressive. A lot of stuff that went down. It was very interesting. And yeah, I do, when they came back, they would call us and say, oh, totally. I mean, they're bringing the horns back. I mean, I'm the all-time leading passer for the Los Angeles Rams, but all my records are in St. Louis. It was, I'd show up to St. Louis, and be like, who's this guy? What is this? So I just felt like, I mean, I was talking to Jackie Youngblood about that the other day. He's like, we were kind of felt like outcasts. Just like, we were like, oh, we had our time here, and all our records are in some other city. You know, like War and Moon, he had all his records in Houston, but now they're all in Tennessee. It's just kind of, it's kind of weird, you know? But having the home team come back, different management, different mindset. Coach McVeigh is doing great things. Aaron Donald is absolute beast. He was holding out in camps all these years for contracts. They were glad, but at least the offensive side, because he just blows up practice. I mean, he can't block them. So they were happy, like, yeah. Aaron, keep holding out for more, Mike, because we don't want to block you to practice. And they can't block them during games either. He's so legit. So are you helping behind the scenes there, or just kind of, you like to go back for fun and hanging out? Well, my role is somewhat of an ambassador. They have a Legends program. I'm trying to push them on to develop some of the rambasseter issues going further, but I haven't had much success yet. And I can leave it at that. But there's things going back and forth. And, you know, when a team just comes back, there's things that they have to develop in the community. I think their focus has been so much on stadium, on developing the product on the field. I think some of the other issues probably aren't on the hierarchy of where they're at. And need be, I mean, Super Bowl is site one. And I think that's the goal of all 32 teams. And, you know, I still follow the Colts. I still follow the Saints, New England, their success. I kind of root for offenses when I see games. So, you know, I know the defensive coordinators or at least I know where they've come from. So I know a little bit of it. So yeah, I stay close to the game as far as that goes. But yeah, there's going to be some involvement with the Rams at some point. We just, what the official capacity is, we haven't determined yet. Okay. So after you retired, you kind of took a route that a lot of NFL players don't. You went back to school and got your masters. Tell us about that experience and why you decided to do that. The education was always a big thing we talked about earlier in our lives. I was the least educated in my family, having been a bachelor's degree. And so I had somewhat of family peer pressure to get my master's. Also, I needed a transition from coming out from the NFL. And I think it's very difficult for some guys, it was for me, to transition from, hey, this is what I've wanted to do with my whole life. And now I got to do that. And then they, and no, I don't, people say I want to retire about my own terms. No one ever really does that. It's just, you can say that with some sort of pride, to protect your pride, but you're fired. I mean, that's just be real. And so, you know, you're coming through this point where the thing you've done your whole life. And so then you transitioned saying, you know, I need to reset. And I need a hard reset right now because as I don't want to cling on to this or I could have gone into coaching, I could have gone into announcing, there was some other issues. I had some family stuff I wanted to resolve. The best thing was for me to be around and to extend my education. And I went to Pepperdine, which is a fabulous school. It was a program, their business program where it was Pepperdine's in Malibu, but I was in the Orange County campus. So I got to network with people in the Orange County area where I was living. I met some lifelong friends, professors, and still to this day in contact. So it was a good transition. And then I started my asset management business. And it was a boutique firm. It was, I could manage my time and manage our money and do the things that I love to do. And like I said, technology, we were on the edge. And so it was challenging on a different fronts. There was time consuming, more so, probably than all the football stuff. Maybe not physically, but the mental part. And it was good. I ended up, after 15 years of getting out of it, I had some health issues that we had to resolve, which we have with modern science. Because you don't go through 12 years of EFL scot-free. For sure. I mean, replacement parts. Thank you. What appealed to you about assets management? I always like, I always dibble dabble in finance. I think when I hired, matter of fact, my asset manager at the time was from Stanford. And Chuck was my mentor, really. And I was actually gonna go in business with their firm until he suddenly passed. And we talked about it. And so rather than join a firm without my mentor, it was easier for me to start my own. And some of his clients came with me. And so it was an easy transition, but it was tough because I lost my guy. But it was good because it forced me to get out. And sometimes you have to get out of your comfort zone to really find out what things are all about. And I was there. Now, do you keep up with the Purdue program today? Do you have anything that you think would be a good tip for the team? Well, I do follow. I don't follow as intently as maybe I see some of the RAM things. And that's just a proximity thing. If I was closer here, I absolutely would. I totally believe in Jeff Rom. I think his program, I don't think he has the pieces to his puzzle. And I think that's been the issue. The COVID year, man, that was crazy. So recruiting, I think, as far as, Jeff needs to have his guys. I think it starts at quarterback. Rondell, I love watching. I just didn't think that he had the pieces around him to complement. But what he's gonna do in Arizona is gonna be phenomenal. Kingsbury is gonna take him and roll. And he'll be a featured part. It'll be like, he had these stats at Purdue, but he didn't have the same parts around him. And when you're talking about an offense, like I said, when I played for Purdue, we had six guys drafted on our offense. And if it was just two guys drafted on offense, that's not enough. So you need to have pieces around you that compliment you. The most, my most successful years in Los Angeles, we had pieces is when you start taking them out, you're not. And so I think that would be the thing that from a 30,000 feet with Coach Brahm is, he's gotta get his pieces in place. And I think that's, you know, the time it's coming up to make sure. And, you know, at quarterback, that's a huge piece. And I think that's kind of been unsold. What does the Purdue community mean to you after all these years? Oh, and stability, reliability, faithful, family. Everywhere I go, even when my daughter was riding horses, we had Purdue people in the horse industry. And I mean, there's a contact that's, that's a base that's, whatever walk of life you're in, you seem to run into Purdue people and then there's a bond. And how to describe that to people that don't have a Purdue degree is tough. But the networking and usually the people that you meet that are Boilermakers are somewhat reasonable. Maybe like, you know, Jayhawks. My fiance over there said pretty good people. Well, Jayhawks are pretty good people too. We'll allow it. Is there anything else you wanna tell our listeners? Some of them are, I'm sure, faithful loyal fans of yours from Purdue to the Rams to the Saints. Well, I think I'd like to, you know, tell everybody I appreciate your support and coming back for the Indiana and State Football Hall of Fame is beyond my wildest dreams. I think that it's, you know, Purdue's a place where great things happen and but we have patience and we're reasonable, but we also want and desire and crave, you know, good football. And, you know, I was fortunate to be part of some of those programs. I was on some programs earlier in my career that we weren't. But it takes a whole team effort and getting the right. And I think Bobinsky's doing a good job trying to put the right pieces together because it goes all the way from the top all the way down to the guys that walk on. And, you know, I think that you gotta have some belief and I think people at Purdue continue to have belief. And I love that.