 I'd like to call the meeting of order at 6.30. Do we have any additions to the agenda? I see none from the select board memo. Do we have any from anybody else? Don't say anything. No, nothing? Okay. Review of minutes, January 17th. I have a small correction, I think. If I understand the dynamics of the fake checks correctly, it's on page three under the town treasurer report. It said that chair Gardner asked if the bank account is still receiving fake checks. I believe it'd be more accurate to say that chair Gardner asked whether fake checks are still being written against the town's account. I probably said fake checks. That's just short, but. No, it says question of what the fake checks are and I'm looking at Gina for help on that. I think it's accurate to say that chair Gardner asked whether fake checks are still being written against the town's account. Is that correct? Fake checks are being presented. They are not necessarily being posted against the account. Right, right. So however we want to work that. It's not that somebody's sending fake checks. Right, right. But they're posing as our checks. To banks. Right, right. So are still being presented on the town's account or how would you phrase that? I mean, they're presented to, I don't want anyone to think that the checks are actually getting cashed. Absolutely. So. Fake town checks are still being. I mean, they're fraudulent checks. Yes. I mean, they're being presented for payment. Yeah, payment is being declined. Yep. And denied. Still getting presented fraudulent checks. Pardon? Is still getting presented fraudulent checks? That's basically it. Yeah, well, it's not a bank account. It's being presented this. Well, China and they are. Yeah. They're shifting up in account for us to. Yeah. Rejecting. Right, I just want to make it clear that they're written on our account. They're purported to be written on our account rather than people putting bills to us. Yes. Bank account. Yes. To present these checks. Yes, counterfeit town checks are still turning up. They're not counterfeit town checks. How would you describe it? First of all, shouldn't we just represent what the chair actually said instead of what your interpretation of what he said is? Well, I think the chair knew what he was talking about and these minutes did not reflect that. No, that's okay. Yeah. I can come across as someone that's uneducated and nobody's talking about it. Oh, Seth, stop. I probably said fake checks. Well, they were fake checks. Yeah, exactly. I'm not disagreeing with fake checks. Right, right, right. I'm trying to make clear that they were fake checks. Yeah, yeah. No, I know what you're doing. Right, right, right. It's not like we're getting payment. Exactly. We're not getting payment and taking fake checks from people that are making payments. Right. We're actually getting presented against our account. Right. So I don't know how you're going to say that. Maybe just say what you just said. But in parentheses. As of the bank account is getting presented for our own checks, but it's a bank. It's actually the bank. Yeah. Bank is receiving fraudulent checks that are written against the town account, but it is. That are attempting to be written against the town account or something like that. Yeah, that works. That works. Yeah. Good. All right, say it again for me one more time. Asked if the bank is still getting checks that are written against fraudulent checks that are written against the town account. Yeah. That are attempting to, well, whatever you said is cool. Yeah, whatever you said was fine. Say it again. That are attempting to be issued against or presented against the town account, something like that. You used to attempt this because it is an attempt. They're not successful. Yeah. So it'd be the bank. Yeah, I don't want residents to get conserved that, you know, we're actually caching checks against where the town is losing money because we are. Yeah, do you have one left? It's, I'm sorry. It's a little muddled. Chair asked if the bank account is still getting fraudulent checks attempted against the town. Attempting to be issued or deposited against the town account, something like that. I mean, I deposit that already. All right. And I had. Yeah. Do you want to read what you have now? Yeah. Thank you. Chair Gardner asked if the bank account is still getting fraudulent checks attempting to be deposited against the town account. Cash against it. It should be cash. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Good. Thank you. Okay. That's perfect. That's a great sense. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So. Is that women? Okay. And then. Yeah. I have. Two things. One is. During the discussion of with the cemetery committee to review the fiscal year. 2024 budget request. At the end of it, regardless. The second paragraph. I think it's, it's Mr. Morse. But I don't want to assume. But I think it's Mr. Morse. In the last. Sentence. It's right now. It says Ms. Morse. Unless it was Ms. Morse who said that. Okay. Talk about. But. But I also thought that. Did they say that the. Individual may still request Brennan corner markers if they prefer, but I thought they would have to be responsible for. The cost. Was that said I. I have a recollection of that. Am I wrong? I am. That's fine. Because it's so much more expensive. But if they wanted it. They would need to pay for it. The granite corners. That's. I think. Miss. Miss Morse. The individual may still request grant corner markers if they prefer. I wasn't clear on who was paying for that. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. I thought I thought there was. A lot of representation. That. The individual would have to pay. But maybe that was my. I'm not sure about that. All right. That's a good question. Because in the budget. It did not reflect that cost. Right. The budget was way low for the. It was 150 bucks. They've been using metal markers. They are now. Yeah. But I don't really. Okay. I want to talk to them about that. Actually. All right. Well. So that's an unknown. That's something we'd want to kind of figure out. But the last one. Regarding the warrants. And this is. Crucial. I think it was. Ms. Willis. Not myself. Who asked about the mushroom shoe purchase. Oh. That is. Me. And I noticed that in the notes, I was just going to let it go because, you know, it could be anybody. Who knows. Nobody knew except maybe Seth. So it's okay. Okay. So. Is that it? Yes. So I have one. Just a typo. On the second page chair Gardner. At the present board members. It should be chair Gardner. It's in. Under the discussion finalization of FY 2024 budget development. It's a pair of guys. Last paragraph. Yeah. Could be. Anything else? Anybody have any other. Yeah. No kid. Okay. Yeah. No, no. We kept that in. What would John say? No. So if we don't have any more corrections or. Discussion items on the minutes. We probably ought to think about. Definitely. Anything else? Anybody have any other. Yeah. No kid. No kid. Yeah. No, no. We kept that in. What would John say? No. No. No. Definitely. I moved to accept the minutes as amended. Oh. You sound surprised. No, that's fine. But typically we get a second, but I don't hear one. Oh, if you're the second. All those in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Yeah. No, you can go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They appear to have it. They do have it. Okay. Sounds good. Public comment. We have some public here. No. You have anything to say? Hi. Hi. Public comment. Very sure. Okay. Right on time. Finalization of FY 2024 budget. So. I was wondering if. Gina, we should talk about. You know, the budget. It's not going to really change our budget. But the ARPA go around that we talked about. That might be able to use some certain items. A one time. Well, it's just because the school has got a huge increase. Yes. And the municipal side of does too. So we can. Use our money for certain. Yeah. We have not identified specifically how that would come with the play. But the idea that Seth mentioned was. When we spoke last week. Whenever. Yeah. Whenever it was. Whenever it was. Um, that. Possibly would something the board like to consider. We need to pull back a little bit on what we budget for. Capital reserve contribution in fiscal 24. With the idea that ARPA funds are available. And. Could be able to cover. Some costs. We need to identify all of this, but then hopefully we could get that back. And kind of bring fiscal 24. Bring that capital reserve back up. Once we get this all ironed out. Well, it can be certain things. If you have a shortfall. If you have a shortfall on salaries, for instance, correct. You can, you can put, take ARPA money to cover that shortfall. We have the digitization of land markers. Yeah. That can be covered. So it's, it's. The ability to use funds is fairly broad. Michelle and I need to dig into the details and start to specifically identify these items. But the idea was, is there a way to. Make some adjustments to the budget to have to mitigate some of the increase in the tax rates. With the plan that we could. Build this whole essentially. With ARPA funds. Reimburs yourself. Correct. Yeah. So before we go any further on the budget discussion, I have had trouble getting the draft budget off of the website. I'm wondering. If our two remote members have been able to access that file. Say that again, Carl, please. When you go to the website for today's meeting, have you been able to get the draft budget. Down successfully. I was earlier. Yeah. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. So yes. Okay. It was an intermittent problem for me. Nevermind. Thank you. So John, you're one station. I just, from my experience. Cutting back on capital on a capital. Reserved inputs on a really good idea. Because next time you decide, say, you cut 15,000 out of the input this year. And you're not using ARPA money to make it up. Right. You would turn around if you cut it this year. And next year, if you decide you're going to put it back in. That's a 15,000. Increase. Yeah, but it's not a $15,000 increase if you leave with the same. No, no, we know that. But I just want to make sure. No, no, but it isn't specific to the capital reserve. This concept is on a budget line that we can reimburse ourselves with ARPA money. To keep the tax rate. Relatively manifold for this year, just this year because the school is nine cents or 10 cents. I'd recommend doing it online items. Yeah. No, no, we, we, we want to identify which items we can do it, but the thing about building the budget right now is it's going to give us a six cent increase. But if we're going to do the shortfall, then we're going to reduce our budget. Now. So you're going into the budget year. Already building. Maybe a deficit in there. And then you can reimburse it with the ARPA month. That's a good idea. Yeah. That's. So you leave it the same and don't fund it. You can't fund it all the way. You don't do exactly the total increase in your budget. Exactly. And so you take certain lines that you know, you can reimburse yourself with ARPA money. Right. And you, and you keep those the same or do whatever you've got to do to massage it down a little bit. So our tax increases two or three cents instead of six cents. Because, you know, they're already, I mean, everybody I've run into in the East. Like, oh my God, you read the paper? Like, yeah. You know, blah, blah, blah. They're like nine and a half cents. I mean, they are freaking out. But that. That's, that's, that's not our nine and a half cents. That's the school that we have nothing to do with no control. We can control the municipal side of it. So just doing that. If we build, you know, a shortfall that we can reimburse yourself for ARPA money and figure out what that is. And then move forward. So that's why this budget. I'm saying we should build it a little leaner. On those line items that we can reimburse. And it's a shell game. It's basically what it is. What's tough is we have to finalize this budget tonight. I know. We just don't have a time to do that. To get to that level. So we have to do that because it's going into town or four. Yeah. Going on the ballot. Which I said it's going on the ballots. Tomorrow morning. That budget. Yeah. I have to buy. I have this set up tonight. Yeah. So that I could make any changes we want to make. So that I can get both Dev and Rosie. Yeah. So we have to do that. Yeah. So we have to do that because it's going into town or four. Yeah. So that I can get both Dev and Rosie. Everything as quickly as possible tomorrow morning. So for Michelle and I to have time to analyze our. Yeah. Analyze it. That's not. Yeah. That can happen. Are there any line items that are just so clearly over in. This qualifies for our plan. Salaries. I'm on this. I'm a fan of adjusting line. Because that makes it hard to analyze your numbers later. In my experience, when you make an adjustment like this, you make a top side adjustment. Oh, just go. We can eliminate. Just cut it by $10,000. Yeah. Cash on hands number. And that would then. Basically. So it's basically on the spending side. That you will be able to reimburse yourself after the car. Horses already left. Basically the money's already left. And you're like, oh boy. Oh, for short. For short. We'll go back and analyze your budget. You're going to know that that year with an odd year. And that's why the numbers are artificially. But we already know the salaries are way higher than they have been just because of what we've had to do in the town office. But they're going to continue to be higher. What's that? They're going to continue to be higher year after year. And we're not going to have this piggy bank to draw from. And there's going to come a day where we're going to have to. Raise the, you know, raise the rates to what they actually should be. I think, you know, I do appreciate that it's a big hit. But it's, it's reflecting what's going on in the world and the economy and to the school. And, you know, if we can reimburse fine, but I don't feel comfortable making the changes that are being discussed tonight for a quick turnaround tomorrow morning. To go out to our voters. I don't feel comfortable. I don't feel confident enough in my knowledge of the distribution of the ARPA funds, whether or how we'll be able to use them as we're anticipating tonight kind of on the fly using them. I would, my recommendation is we've been working on this budget for, you know, almost two months, if not more that, you know, the public unfortunately has been or has been notified about what the increase is going to be. And there's going to come a time when the increase is going to happen. It's either going to be now or three years from now. Our salaries are not going down. They're going to go up in the future. And, you know, this is what the reality is. So my. My, I'm leaning if anyone's doing a poll is not to make any changes in our budget to kind of do a quick and fast switch a room tonight. One question that I had that I never did ask you, Seth, is what would be considered a palatable increase? Well, wait a minute. Let's just talk about this. The reason that I brought this on. Is the school is going up about 10 cents. Is there around 10 cents? I think it turns out to be about 10. Okay. Yes. The reason the school is going up 10 cents is one of the reasons is a common level. Our common level of basil has dropped because properties are selling for way more in their place for what that does is a townwide reappraisal. When our appraisal comes more in line with what properties to sell for the school gives more school gets more money from the state. Okay. So the increase that they're facing. Might be a one-time increase. I don't know that. But because our CLA is so at a line and it will come back in line that may trigger more money from the state, but I don't know that. I don't know that. I don't know that. But last year. The school rate actually dropped. Several cents. This year is up 10 cents. So I'm not saying all I'm saying is the school accounts for a large part of the money that we charge our tax rate. Our municipal rate is about a fifth of the whole tax dollar. So if we can massage it down one year in response to the tax rate, if we can get it back to where it should be, it'll just help the taxpayers. Right now we're looking at 15, 16 cents in the tax rate. If we go with a sixth sense in their 10 cents. Yes, sir. So correct me if I'm wrong. I shall. Thank you. But. I don't think the CLA and the school is going to affect people's bottom line. I mean, I don't think it makes us need to do anything to help out on that. Let me put out the argument here. People don't pay a tax rate. People pay taxes. They pay a tax bill. And the tax bill is based on. The praise value of their property. And the CLA. And if the state makes an adjustment, they don't pay tax to the CLA. That's not going to do it. Nothing. The amount of taxes that you pay on $100,000 of property. The praise by the town is affected by the CLA. Nope. Nope. The CLA affects. What the school gets for money from the state. Based on your values of your property and your town. And the CLA is based on what you sell your property. No, it's what it's raised for. Yeah. No, yeah, praise for versus what? That's exactly what I was saying. So if everybody's house is appraised lower. Yeah. Then what the houses are selling for. They're at a lower level than everybody else would be in the neighboring town. Right. So they want to be like in a 90% house for your close or on. So we get to a new appraisal. And so let me put it here. Get to a new appraisal here. And people's tax rate. the things being equal, but the amount of taxes they pay is not going to go down. That's right. So I don't think that we need to take issues with the CLA into consideration in figuring out how we're going to distribute taxes over the next few years. The CLA affects what the school gets. That's my perception. Yes, sir. Good point. Thanks. The school budget is proposed to go up 9.9 percent. What they have transfers to send is somewhat less than that. Each town is going to be different. I was at the last meeting, they had a chart without going on too much here. If you have a $250,000 house in Calis, you're going to pay a different tax rate than a $250,000 house in East Montpelier because of the CLA. Yeah, the CLA is affecting the actual tax bill that you get. Even though it's the same school district with the same value of home, you're going to get a different tax bill because of the CLA, depending on what town you're in. Yeah, my perception of the CLA is a ratio between what houses sell for and what is price for. And the state takes that into account when it makes payments to the school. That's how it affects your tax rate. If your CLA is 80 percent, they're going to give you less money because you're a rich town. In the five towns, the CLA is different in all five of the towns because of the difference between the appraised value and the selling. Yes, that's how it affects your tax rate, but it doesn't get applied to the $2.50 that you're paying as a tax rate. The CLA does not come into that. It comes into the school side not the municipal side of it. No, no, not the municipal side at all. It's all about the school. The educational tax rate. Right. And right now, last year, the school got more money from the state, so that dropped the rate where the town had to pay because we got more money. The educational tax rate has gone down every one of the last six years. It's up for one year. And it's not going down this year. No. Right. That's what I'm saying is because there's a spike in the school taxes that keeps the municipal rate down as much as we could because it does affect your tax bill. It does. It affects your tax bill at the end of the day. So if they're going up six cents, and we're going to six cents, that's 12 cents on $2.60. That's worth it. So I was thinking if we could keep our down to three cents, that's going to help the tax bill. And what would ours normally be? About two cents. No, what would it be if we didn't make a cut? Six cents. So then you would apply that three cents over the next year or would you spread it out over a two-year year? Well, it would be three cents now, which is a cent higher than we usually are. Next year, we could incrementally raise it to a more realistic level, especially if the school's not going to go up to nine cents. But they might continue to go up. Not if our CLA is more online. That's what I'm saying is we have to have a reappraisal right now. We have to because we're down to 80%. It's down below 90. We have to have a reappraisal. I think it's 85 as a cutoff. Yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense to me for us to, and this is how we've all have done it. I've understood our discussion for the last decade. For us to try to manage our own fiscal house, let the cool manage their own fiscal house, and not to make changes to our budget based on what's happening. But we still set the tax rate at the end of the day. We set the tax rate to gather the money. We do a computation of the tax rate based on what the school has done and what we do. Yeah, what we need for money. And we set the tax rate. We are responsible for setting the tax rate to collect, gather the money. We have to collect some money. If we have no choice in that, other than looking at our budget and looking at the schools, but I do. We have nothing. We cannot do anything about the school. Exactly. Right. The only thing is what we can do, we can affect our slide, the 60 something cents, either 68 cents or 62 cents or whatever. They're going to be at $2 or whatever. I think we need to look at our own needs and what we're responsible for setting the tax rate. People look to us. We are not responsible for the school budget. We're responsible. We're not, but that's some hard to explain to people. That's true. But our job is to explain it. We still send tax bills. We are responsible. So a CLA below 85 percent. Okay. Triggers. Yeah. But we're below the 85. Yeah, we need to do a reappraisal. Yeah, I don't know what the percentage is. We've already been. There was a letter that came in and we have been notified by the state. I mean, I realized it's late to the game. Yeah. I didn't realize that we had to have a plan. I mean, I know Dev's got to put the time report together and this is our budget. However. So one way to do this would be we always have a top line number in our budget that is available cash on hand. Yeah. And what that number is, it's kind of at least the way I think is that's almost what your theoretical, you know, surplus you may carry from one year. Is that the fund balance out in the past? Is that the fund balance is what you're talking about? We have taken the fund balance in the five. It's the next year's budget. So many times. Yeah. So it's, it was 100 in fiscal 22. It was 150 in the fiscal 23 budget. If we were to raise that to 250 in the fiscal 24 budget, then the tax rate would, it'd be 2.65 cents. Okay, no way. So I'm the fund balance that are you talking about the money that we have taken that surplus and put it in, built it in for our budget. Have we, have we taken that money for this this year that we're in right now? I don't believe so. I don't believe we have. No, we did not have a surplus last year. So. Okay. So we don't have a surplus. But the fund balance, most of your audience is going to recommend between 5% and 10% of your budget. We have a reserve fund. That's separate from that. All right. That's, that's what I call a fund balance is, is the money you have is your reserve fund. It's not your capital reserve. Right. No, no, it's a reserve fund. This is a general fund. This is a general fund. No, a spot is going to be between 5% and 10% of your budget. And we have that already. Okay. We have a reserve fund that we established a few years ago and put money into that and that's funded. I just want to make sure that we're talking about money that's been extra that we added in for our budget from year to year because there was extra money to see that. Yeah, it's not in a fund balance. All right. And a dedicated fund balance called a reserve contingency fund for that. And it's when you chose to do is nothing you have to do. Yeah, but we did that. Right. Yeah, we had a lot of money laying around. Let's put that in a reserve fund, a contingency fund. So we have that money. This is not that money. This is money that's usually rolled over from year to year as extra money. Yeah. And I'm not 100% sure how those transactions occur in the general ledger. I'm still trying to figure out. Well, that's what we usually call a fund balance is what you have left over from year to year and it builds up. We're using different terms here. I know. So that to me could be a catch all if you would like to make an adjustment. That is where I would propose an adjustment is made is in that line. Use some of that money, which would carry it forward. And the idea behind it would be that we will be able to offset some of these costs with ARPA funds. I agree with Judith's point though, that this needs to be done very cautiously. And this is something that VLCT is very much on any ARPA presentation I have ever attended. They are cautioning towns against adjusting their budget for these ARPA funds because it will end and the money will not be there. So you're either going to keep your tax rate flat and have a massive spike in a few years, or you know, you buffer. And you know, what you and I discussed was we know that ARPA will be available. We can go look and I just need to figure out how well this exactly works in practicality. We should be able to go and get the land digitization costs that we have incurred. We should be able to reclassify some of those funds is what my hope is and now call those ARPA. I want to go find these things that are in our books that we have spent money on that we can identify and then essentially reclassify them to ARPA. I just need, I just don't know how that exactly works just yet. But that's fine. I just am thinking about our timeline to adopt a budget and how we can, I personally think that we should keep our tax rate down and below the six cents in the expectations in the following year. It's not going to be 15 or 16 cents. Yes, we can go down to three or four cents at a little less level, not shortfalling ourselves and using our available funds to do that. I just don't see how people are going to, I'm feeling the taxpayer here. If they got to go up six to eight or 10 cents on our side of it, we should be able to tweak that a little bit. Just for clarity, Seth, if I may, Michael Dwayne, I'm looking at the Washington Central here. The warned budget for the school is a nine-cent in rights. It's a 9.9 a budget increase, resulting in a nine-cent increase for East Montpelier. Exactly. That's my problem. The CLA is 82.97. I still think that the CLA being low is what the state puts its calculations on, as far as the contribution comes from the state. But some of us feel that that doesn't matter. The school is its own wheelhouse. I'm saying, as a representative of the town, that we are the ones that set the tax bill out. Anything we can do to mitigate people's circumstances, probably we should do it anyway. Judith Husser-Hanbury. The impact of any reappraisal is going to hit next year. Then taxpayers are going to be, we're all going to be paying more than we're paying this year. Not in a reappraisal. It doesn't make you pay more money. It's always a tax rate. Unless you go over 50%. If everybody says 50%, the average is 50%, anybody that goes over a 50% increase will pay more in taxes. It all depends on where your property comes in when it's reappraised. If the average household only goes up 50%, say your property value is worth 200,000 and say it goes up to 300,000 and everybody goes up 50%, then everybody who goes up 50% just pays a lower rate. They pay the same amount of taxes. But if for some reason your house was undervalued below everybody else's, then you go up 75%, then you pay that extra 25%. You don't have to write that all down. Go ahead Judith. But I'm right. I appreciate that. But I think there may be a number of older homes who fit in the category that you just described, that their properties haven't been reappraised for a year or decades and have benefited from that and are going to get hit. So again, I think that during the 11th hour, we shouldn't be making changes like this. I think that we're going to, I don't think that this year is an outlier. I think that next year, we may have some unforeseen expenses or inflation is going to continue. I'm not sure. And we also don't know whether or how what we're proposing is sanctioned by ARPA. And I don't feel comfortable requiring that Gina and Michelle scramble tomorrow morning to try to figure it all out before they submit the budget. So I appreciate the desire to maintain level funding, but that's not the reality of what the economics that we're facing. And maybe we should think about other ways to what we can do to support our town folks in the town. But I don't think we should be massaging the budget based upon the ARPA funds when we have some anticipated projects that we know would qualify for ARPA funds or reimbursement. I caution our making this change at this late hour and binding us. And I think in a year or two, we're going to see this spike. And we won't have the piggy bank to fall back on. And people will be like, well, what happened? So one question that I have is, so this is essentially preliminary calculation of a tax rate, correct? I mean, we're doing our budget, but we are not setting the rate today. No, we set the rate when we get on. Yeah, I did that, I think in like August. Yeah, right. And we get all figures on the on the rate on the trade values in the town. And we take all those values, add them up, yeah, and put it put something against the percentage that comes up with the money that we need. Yeah, right. We haven't said it right. And that's a good point. But the thing is, so we would cause some initial anxiety, potentially among residents, but realistically, before we're actually setting the sex tax rate, we should have answers to these questions that should be able to make adjustments accordingly. I don't know how. Well, that was a question that I had in mind, too, is when we do that, I've always thought of that exercise of setting the tax rate as being strictly a computational exercise. Yeah, we look at the budget that the voters passed. Yeah, we looked at the school budget that the voters passed, we look at how much money the state is contributing to the school, and all that comes together to the amount of revenue needed. We have our grand list, and we figure out the tax rate. That's how I thought of it. I think what you're suggesting, and I don't know if this is the case, that we could, we could change the budget at that point. No, we can't vote. It's after the vote. We can't change the budget. We can't decide to use extra funds. Or can you add a line into your calculation that is an adjustment? I mean, I don't know. Well, no, what you could do was just say, we're going to set the tax rate at XYZ. You could do that. You don't have to do a week of math behind it to get to the XYZ. You could do the math, leave the budget right where it is. Of course. The budget can't change, but we could re-forecast and calculate a tax rate based on that re-forecast or show the delta between the re-forecast and the budget, that can be a number in the computation that Carl was just discussing. I think, you know, I don't know. I don't know, but I thought the same thing, because we're not setting the tax rate tonight. We're putting forward. Not till June, right? Usually? No, August. August, yeah. I thought it was the beginning of one of us. Yeah. Depends on when you set the tax rate out. I'd say we'd be in a better position to have this exception if we take some months to talk. Oh, no. I realized that more knowledge will come to a better decision. I'm just putting forth a strategy that could be employed. Now, the other thing that does happen is the state doesn't, we don't have the final figures in the state what the contribution is. That's a get-to-game. So I don't know how that's going to work out either, because we get our figures later on from a school, right? Yeah. Your grand list could go up to this year too, because of all the house sales that have happened in the house. House bails has nothing to do with it. But those houses should be charged, your taxes will be charged. It's a yes. On those houses? No. It will be as great as that. No. I know they don't do it a lot. Based on sales. You can't do that. The state has to do that. Say you have a remix and they come and agree the taxes. My understanding is you can change the rate of the land, and you can change certain components of the appraisal, but you can't do it based on sales. So if you think the house was appraised for $250,000, and then you sold it for $450,000, I would think that just wait a second. Don't you think that that would trigger a reappraisal of that house? Yeah. And then they would go in and reappraise and say, yeah, this is in fact as well, maybe it's not $450,000, even though they paid it, maybe it's worth $400,000. Doesn't that trigger, they should trigger a reappraisal? How much sense would tell you that, but that's not how it works. Oh, never mind. I know what you're saying. So keep in mind we have had some new residences constructed. Yeah, that always helps a little bit. You're afraid that we'll go, you're very less able to go up a little bit. It will. Yeah, it generally goes up a little bit, tiny. And a percentage basis is very small. You have a $300 million long list, $400 million. Yeah. Yeah. It's small. A couple of houses don't make much of this. It goes up a little bit, and it helps. Right. I know a little bit about this. I do myself, but that's okay. I don't understand this one thoroughly yet. It's dramatically different from my previous experience with you. I know what you're saying. House sells for a lot more money. It could be reappraised and then taxes. But anyway, go ahead. We're going to do it. It's about to ask, Deb, were you about to say something? I was going to ask it, Deb. Deb, maybe have something. Yes, I was just going to say a lot of what you said is pretty accurate. But one thing you should keep in mind, if you're counting on there being a reappraisal to rejigger everything, that's not going to happen really fast because well over 100 towns have been ordered to do reappraisals. There's a limited number of reappraisal companies out there to contract with, and they're already scheduling out several years. So we've got to get on somebody's waiting list now. I think the VLCT legislative briefing today, I believe the number that was given was the reappraisal capacity in the state is for like 15 towns per year. Yeah, I heard 16. Yeah. And the point is, the point is they're already starting to schedule a 20-27 or something ridiculous. And that's a problem because that means our CLA will remain low for several years. The only thing that'll help it is if the housing market cools down a little bit, they're always going to take a rolling average of the last three years. So they're going to lop off 2020 and add 2023 the next time. 2020 was the first year of the pandemic, and that's when it started. So it could cool off a little bit and then in the CLA could actually go up. But having dropped below 85, we need to do the reappraisal. We need to do a reappraisal anyway. It's been since 2009 since we did it. And what I think was John was just saying, there are houses out there. Not a lot of them, but there are houses out there that went for way more than they're appraised for. Clearly, they've been completely gutted inside and completely remodeled or something because they haven't been looked at since 2009 because they didn't get a permit to put something like a garage on. So it was nothing to trigger the listers to go out and look at it. Well, internal stuff doesn't have to be, you don't have a permit unless you're adding bedrooms and things. Right. So there are places that are flying below the radar and they will go up and it will help overall. But as far as whether or not it triggers a reappraisal because it's sold for more than it was praised for, that doesn't trigger it. You can't go chasing sales. But if you become aware of the fact that they've done some significant improvements to it, then you can go out and legitimately go and reappraise it. Of course, you're still using 2009 cost tables. You're never going to bring it up to the fair market value for the current market unless you're doing a townwide reappraisal and that's the whole point of it. So we can go out and look at that $400,000 house that was on the grand list for $250,000. And we can bring it up to maybe $325,000 or whatever, but it's still using 2009 cost tables. We can increase the quality of the house. We can register the fact that they've done some improvements, but we're still working with the 2009 cost table. It means you can't say it's worth $450,000 because it's sold for it. She's saying you got to do the table for every single thing on it and come up with a different amount. I think I heard what she said. Thank you, but I'm glad you reiterated it for me. But part of the problem now going forward is we're going to be stuck with a low CLA for several years before we can get it jacked up. We got to start with what this project is getting me. So it sounds like we can't make a readjustment quickly, correct? Well, we can with the way I mentioned to you the adjusting the number that I talked about that is somewhat of a catch-all number. Just keep in mind, we will end with a deficit in 2023. So that will likely be a use of ARPA funds. You'll be chasing your tail. Calculated at around 100. It could be less. I mean, I don't know where Guthrie's cost will come in, but we obviously all know that salaries are going to be higher fiscal 23 and benefits than what we're assumed in the original budget. So we're not in the same situation that the town has been in in years past where we're staring at a surplus going into the next year. So there's a thought about this stuff. If we present the budget as we have and everyone passed it, then we're going to assume that people are going to accept it. It still gives us an opportunity to perhaps change the tax rate when we do it. But if they turn it down, which could happen, if they say, you know what, we're so sick of taxes, and this looks like a high budget. If you turn it down, then we have the option that that one. It's all right. Sure. Yeah. Right. So that way, the route I'm suggesting keeps everyone happy in the room and kicks the ball down the road is putting into the taxpayers. They have the option to refuse this budget. For sure. And if they do, then we have the option to do something different. Right. And we still have a new town meeting. I don't know how. Yeah. Call a special town meeting. Yeah. But it would be called a special town meeting. Yeah. But, you know, that's probably not going to happen. But if it did happen, then we have the option to change the numbers. Right. And not only that, we still are talking about saying the tax rate in August and perhaps this one will for us to work it. Perhaps. Perhaps. I think there's, I think the August approach is a good one. Yeah. It gives us time to understand all of this. Yeah. Recalculating the budget, I would argue the only way you could do that would be to completely and re-envision what services this town provides. Yeah. I don't think you can. I mean, you could restructure the town office. We could restructure the road crew, and we could relate to residents what services we go away that the town provides. That would be a revised budget. In my thought, if the town turned it down, then we could perhaps put some of our funds in certain line items and present a budget that might be a little bit more acceptable. That's all I'm saying. Because you have a true budget shortfall at that point. Right. So that's the town turned it down. Right. So I just think that's an option. I'm not saying it's going to happen if I won't. But it could happen. And if it did, that gives us the opportunity to change the numbers with a little more knowledge. The other option, of course, is the tax rate. When we get to that point, we'll have more knowledge anyway. We'll have more knowledge about the school. And we may have some thoughts about changing that tax rate, and we'll have more knowledge at that point. And keep in mind some of the things I'm mentioning that are use of ARPA funds, such as the land records I did and things like that, those aren't ongoing expenses. I'm talking about covering historical expenses that we have already flowed through the general fund that we can then recoup and kind of give us a credit back. So it doesn't create that issue that VLCT is warning people about, about just covering your costs and covering your, I think it's very risky to say, well, we're going to use it to cover salary costs. Well, unless you're planning a significant reduction in the course in the future, that's, that's a temporary fix. Yeah, that's all. It's obvious that you're not going to make that money, and then all of a sudden you don't have the money to spend. But the things I'm talking about would be real reallocation of costs that the town have incurred who apply those to ARPA. Yeah. One time expenses to kind of read. Exactly. Yeah. Things that we basically just ate because we could. Yeah. Now we can use our homework. Yeah. So I think that we need to move on. I think we need to approve this budget. Yeah. I mean, much against my better judgment, we're going to have to. I move to approve the budget as presented. Second. I was in favor, please say aye. Aye. I'm going to abstain. So four eyes and one abstention. So that takes care of finalization of 2024 budget. Finalization of 2023 town meeting warning. So the main change. Well, one was if the budget at this point, this number now will hold that you see in this, in this morning. But Lauren Oates has resigned from the planning commission. So we have added a line here for planning commissioner to a three-year term. If the select board would like to try to, you know, we appoint, we may end up appointing because I don't believe we have a candidate running for this particular position right now. So the select board is likely going to end up appointing anyway. So I'm not sure Rosie, what, you walk me through what we need to do here with this position. That's the last one down there to a three-year term. Yeah. So that's not on the, it shouldn't be on the, it's not going to be on the ballot. I'm putting it here, it will be. But this is what you are deciding tonight. Yeah. Yes, Rosie. So the way this works, when somebody resigns just before a town meeting or before a ballot, we then either appoint someone to complete until March, until town meeting, and then they run for the remainder of the term. So as far as I'm aware, there's nobody to appoint at this point, but we do need to show on the ballot that we have an open position that is two years with three-year term. Yeah. And somebody could write somebody, somebody to do that. Yeah. So this, if somebody steps forward with a righted jumping and they get elected, so they would serve out two years before they'd be up for. That's correct. I think they get elected, but if they get appointed, it's only for one year. An appointment can only happen if fewer than 30 votes are got, are received by a writing candidate. So basically, if someone decides to do a write-in and they get 30, 30 votes or more, they're in for the next two years. Right. Yeah. They're in for the next two years, but if no one gets voted in by a writing campaign, the point that we would make is for one year. That's correct. If no one, if no one wins, you would appoint them for a year and then they would run for the remaining year of the term. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. So I think it would be clearer. I mean, it's unclear to me what this means, planning commissioner to a three-year term. Maybe if it said two years of a three-year term. Yeah. That's a standard ballot language, Carl. Okay. I'm trying to make it more clear to people who are reading it. Maybe remaining two years of three-year term or something like that. That would be even clearer. It should be two years of the remaining three-year term. Don't we just say it in French? Not remaining two years. Well, I guess it could be remaining two years. Sure. There are certain ways that it has to be written, so I'm going to leave it up to our ballot people at LHS to make that determination, but I'll make it clear to them that this is the remainder of a three-year term. Yeah. I think we should put it in the way that we want it to be, and if somebody objects to it, then they can do that. Well, that could actually nullify the election, Carl. We don't want to do that. I thought you said you were going to check with legal advice tomorrow. No, I said I'm going to send it to LHS. LHS is the ballot printer who has all the guidelines. So I think what Carl is saying, could we write it in the way that the select board is requesting, and then they can adjust language. But Deb would also, do you know how quickly they would respond? Because Deb would also need to know this as well for printing of the annual reports. Well, they're doing 250 plus school ballots, school and town ballots over the next 48 hours. So the turnaround will be pretty quick. But yeah, I guess what I'm saying is the language has to be a certain way. Yeah. And we can't arbitrarily change that language, but I'll let them know that this is how we want it to be said. And if they tell me no, we can't do that, then no, we can't do that. Then you just leave it the way it is. Fine. Yeah. Okay. Right. So what is it that we remaining two years of three-year term? We have used the same language for years. There's nothing new about the way this is being expressed. And we haven't had any problems with it in the past. Rosie? Yes, sir. Does the ballot have to match what the warning says? Yes. It doesn't. I'm looking at what the ballot is on page two or page one, rather. Take last year's report. The ballots on page three, excuse me. On page three, we said planning commissioner for one of three years. And on the warning in that same book on the warning, it says one of three-year term. So it's not identical. Yeah, not exactly. The warning should have been changed. Well, again, it's been swayed for years, so it's just in a rut. But if we want to change it, I would say match the ballot, make it for one of three years. It has to match the ballot. Okay, good. Because it doesn't really match the ballot. The ballot has the names on it. We don't put the names on it. So it's kind of a different thing, but it's basically one of three years. And that's what it says on the ballot, for one of three years. I don't know. I don't think it's caused a problem being this way for decades. I'm not. It doesn't matter to me, but Kyle's the one that seems more invested in this discussion. It would be more elegant to say one year of three-year term or something like that if that's what the problem is. So you want it to be clear it's one year of a three-year term? So two years of three-year term. I'm sorry. I'm looking at last year's town report. Yeah, sorry. Okay. So are we in our language? So am I going with two years of three-year term? I'm making this change live because this document I intend to have signed tonight by the select board members here. So I can give this to Rosie tomorrow. So we're going to change it. We may as well make it as clear as we can. So remaining two years of three-year term. Okay. As long as that language is just going to pass the powers that be. Yeah. I'm going to ask this question because so am I capitalizing the R and remaining or keeping that lower case? I was keeping it lower case, but so I have remaining two years of three-year term. Yeah. Okay. Going to the printer right now. Anything else on this document? Has anyone had a chance to look at? I just want to point out that we had said last meeting that we would have a discussion at town meeting about how to refund in the case of increased illnesses or other circumstances using powers granted by the state to have town meeting entirely by Australian ballot. The way we did last year, for example. And I guess today or Friday, the governor signed the bill that gives town's power to do that through July of 2024. And then, you know, do some other things as well. And the legislature is considering a bill now to make more permanent changes in our ability to do that. I think it is better here at the town meeting, as we talked about last time, would be helpful in providing feedback to our three senators and our one elected representative. So my memory, and Mr. Moderator, please help me out or anybody can help me out with it. My memory is that the way that we have handled such discussions in the past, it's not going to be a binding vote or regulation in ordinance or anything. It's just going to be a discussion to provide guidance is that it happens under Article 16 to transact any other business that may properly come before the meeting. And we don't need to put anything special about that in the morning. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. So we can just say that on four. Yes. Yeah. Okay. And we can say that the town forum and publicize it otherwise we can not do it. Okay. We don't need to put anything in the morning. All right. Okay. This is not binding. Okay. But to get some flavor in the room. Correct. What are you going to say? If you ever want to say, if you want to tell me or we'll let them and make it happen. Okay. All right. So we're okay with making a moment and pass this. Yes. Okay. Let's do it. Yeah. I move to approve the town meeting morning as amended. Second. All the favorite to have. So that have read the town meeting on the town forum in the morning, or do we want to have a separate motion for the town forum? Yeah, okay. But there all have the same paper. We signed on both of them at once. So So I guess with a unanimous consent, I will let the motion be considered to have covered the town forum warning as well. Sounds good. Yeah, that's the town forum. OK. Rosie has her hand raised. Yeah, Rosie. I'd just like to remind everyone who is participating remotely today, who is a board member, that I'll need to have you come into the office tomorrow to sign, please. Yeah, thank you. OK, I'll be gone as long as we have the forum. And we've got three. OK, yeah, we have three here. OK, sorry about that. That's all right. Well, I'm sorry, but we'll live. The next item consideration. Oh, no, finalization is like before for 2022 town report. OK, so. So really no changes here. This is just it would have needed to change if the budget changed at this point. It has not. So yes, I move to approve the select board report that presents it. Now, there's nothing about the fire department budget in here. Well, the fire department budget is referenced in the budget impact. Yeah, but that's it. No specific numbers. Yeah, OK, I'm good. I don't think we have that motion. We haven't do that. I think you had a motion on that last year. I think you just say it's OK. Yeah, I think it's OK. Incredible. It's good. Thank you. Oh, consideration of deputy tree board was position description. So Paul and Jeff drafted some language so that we can try to recruit a deputy tree warden. And they ask that I present that language to you. And then I will put a post on front porch forum, put a post on the website with this description and encourage a resident or multiple to hopefully come forward and express interest. What good thing. Is this is it clear here that it's unpaid or is paid? That was actually it actually has $1,000. I think it's $1,000 stipend. Right, Jen. I think it was a thousand. Would we want to include that just because someone might think it's a salary position or something more than a volunteer gig with a stipend attached? I guess I'll call on that. I've been available to the right person. I haven't will be paid or you just say this is an unpaid position and you're expected to volunteer for the rest of it. That's nice. It is. Maybe a modest stipend is available or something like that. That sounds good. That sounds good. Well, I suggest that the. I suggested the available first, but then I realized haven't we forced the the tree warden to accept the stipend? Yeah, it's not really this available. It will be paid. A modest stipend is. Included in this issue. Yeah, compensation is a mile is a modest stipend or something like that. You will not be compensated, but you will get it. You will be compensated with love. Oh, really? Is that what you want to say? OK. And all the trees you want to hug. Tree hundreds are. Consider value. Right. So I can ask you a question. I haven't read my head around this yet, but in the. Slipboard report. Yeah, I guess this is a question for you, Gina. I didn't I didn't do the number crunching myself, but I see that you've got the fire department. Where is it now? I can't find it. Fire department costs went up twenty five point nine K or one point three percent. But on the fact that that's an impact of the overall budget. The one point three percent. On the other. Now, this is OK. So in other words, their budget went up six percent. It represents a one point three percent of the nine point eight. You're right. OK. I know it's kind of hard to present those because you're trying to. You said I'll change the result. Well, that's the taxing. Well, I'm I'm showing the six percent increase on the fire department page so you can see how much it actually went up in terms of the individual budget and the end of this. Yeah, OK. OK. Oh, so so you're saying. The twenty five point nine percent thousand or yeah, twenty five point nine thousand is what percentage of their budget? Not one point three. No, it's quite a bit more than that. You would see those details in our in the detailed budget. That what their particular line went. No, yeah, I know. It's also on the fire department page where I put the budget for the fire department and the ambulance fire department went up six percent, the ambulance, six point four percent because misleadings say one point three percent. I mean, it's tough. I mean, here I'm trying to explain the total impact to the overall town budget, not each individual line item. Why are you saying each month, twenty five point nine or it should be six point seven percent? Well, presumably this applies to all the parentheticals in that set. Yeah, the one point three, the two point three, the four point eight and the one point three are all trying to explain is what's where that nine point eight is coming from. That's what this is trying to explain, not each line item, what its increase is a comma, accounting for two point three percent of the increase and then the next two, you could just have the number and then a semi-poly in the percentage. That be clear? I'm flexible. Go for it. No, I think it's right the way it is. Because yeah, I like the way it is. I think it's fine. Yeah, because you're just it's a cumulative thing. You know, we're talking about the total budget. You're not identifying. I think it's fine. Yeah, or or maybe even the last line, you know, the aggregate or the sum of all these changes results in an eight point six percent tax increase or five point eight cents. It's fine. Which is a general fund has increased nine point eight percent primarily due to the following thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good. Okay, so going back to what we're on. Oh, Deputy Warden, we're good with that. I think so. Yes, I will add language about that there that a stipend compensates. I'll figure out what's that. Yeah, something, you know, appropriate. Now, we come to the stipend. Comes with a modest stipend. Fine. Modest stipend to be paid. Some places where towns don't give stipends, that would be more than a lot. Yeah. But I can measure it with the hours sometimes. Yes. So, okay, are we done with that item that Deputy Warden? Okay. So this is. That's the next one. I am. And it's like you might the next I don't have a common meaning component to it. So you know, I sit around for it, sit around for it. Oh, the next item is discussion on town man. And lively COVID-19. And we discussed in three weeks, a previous meeting saying something somewhere requested people to wear masks to town meeting. And and we talked about the sort of language you and based on that discussion, I don't know if someone, someone also drafted some language for that, but I put together some language for that. But I'd like to run by it. And that is all who attend town meeting are requested to wear high quality mask, and 95 are similar. We want everyone in our community to feel safe attending town meeting and many people are immunocompromised, live with the one who is immunocompromised or would otherwise benefit from white bread Matthew in a crowded indoor space, but that we wanted a recommendation and wanted to emphasize that this is being done to include more people in it. Does that satisfy the will of select board? I don't like the question. Yeah, I don't like, I thought we talked about this last week, maybe encouraged or, you know, encouraged. Request is the word. Yeah, I don't like the question. That's your. And I don't know if I would specify N95, actually. Yeah. I know that that's the most advantageous, but I don't know if I would specify that. Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know. That's why this is an example. So let me read it again. All who attend are requested to wear high quality mask on N95 or similar. No. OK, give me something more, please. More, more than no. I would just I would just say mask is definitely encouraged. You know, I think the rest of the language, I would not specify the kind of mask at all. That's my suggestion. Mass usage encouraged. Yes, that's exactly what I would say. Period. That's it. Yeah. And we also said we'd be providing masks. We can do that. Sure. Rosie, you have your hand up. I do. I wanted to kind of remind you of how we handled the mask situation throughout the pandemic. We are not permitted to require the wearing of masks. It's out. It's against the law. But we are absolutely permitted to, as we did during elections, put up a sign that says numbers are up. Please wear your mask and have those masks available at the door. So I'm not I'm not sure if that will comply with what you're actually requesting or if we need to actually say more. I'm happy to put notices in front porch forum. Making the request for the suggestion that because we are doing in person town meeting and that COVID is still around that masks will be available for all who wish to wear them and that they're they're suggested. I guess I want to make sure that nobody thinks that they can't vote because they're not wearing masks. Yeah, we agree. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, Judith. Yeah, no, I would concur with Amy's recommendation. I like the term encouraged and, you know, indicate masks will be available. So we're encouraging people to wear masks and we're making them available. Yeah, me too. Yes, sir. If I make this like a mask are encouraged. Yeah, it has a certain. Yes, it has a nice ring to it. It has a nice ring we can get. OK, so is is there an appropriate place in the town report for this in conjunction with the town meeting warning or anywhere else or should we just use front porch forum and town forum to spread the word and signs at the actual site? Hey, Carl, there are a couple of sections that are specifically about how to vote. OK, and that include warnings like, you know, read your certificate envelope and that you have to request certain ballots this year. Maybe that would be a good place to encourage people to wear their masks. So in the town report on how the section on how to vote. OK, Deb, does that work for you? I can get your language tomorrow morning. Yes, on page 13, you're talking about. Yeah. OK, so I will page 13. I just will say is facing the signature page of the warning. So it's a perfect place for it. Yeah, OK. So I will email the language to. Yeah, I wrote it down then. OK, very good. So begins, masks are encouraged and they will be available and the rest of the red people. OK, thank you. OK, is that done with the hope in 1970? That's that's my way. The administrator had some input in the report. Well, I mean, I'm presenting the numbers were low. I'm not 100 percent know how much these numbers tell us these days. But yeah, this is what the CDC is reporting. Right. OK, John, you have anything to say? No, OK. Once we have once this on the right here, it's not long. No, it doesn't feel like. It feels like two pages. How often do we pay the or the website? It's like 500 something bucks. It's I think it's like quarterly. And what do they do for us? They host the website for us. OK, so they run. We get regular updates to the WordPress site. And then also if we have an issue or a question, they're there to answer that. OK, is there anything on the report? You know, you want to. Well, we already discussed about Lauren Oates position. Yeah. I believe that the trash service that used to occur in the town office parking lot will no longer be happening. So I don't know if the select board has any thoughts on that. But I just wanted to let you all know that. So we don't really have concrete information on that. But what I was going to do is if the people that were doing it were assuming that they're going to start it up, I think we need to address it. That's what we read in the paper, right? What what happened? Yeah, but the principle is no longer involved in trash service, but there are relatives that are running trash service in Plainfield. It hasn't run here for a couple of weeks. We're not really sure what's going to happen. Yeah. So I'm saying that if they are coming to an assumption that they were just going to continue, we could address it at that point. At this point with this. And we have not received any calls. Yeah, of any residents. Yeah, concerned or missing the service. So I know two weeks ago there was a sign in the parking lot that redirecting people to go to Plainfield. That sign was not there this past week. Yeah, but maybe this happened. Yeah, I would just can I just say something about that? I talked to a cleaning lady who was in the office this weekend when I was working on the town report, and she is used to getting rid of all the stuff that's being purged out of the drawers and filling up garbage pills by giving them to that guy and getting rid of it for free. And now she's going to have to. She has been assuming the class to herself, and she just considers that it's her contract. So she's swallowing it. But if this is going to be a permanent thing that may affect her contract rate, because he didn't expect to be paying for the trash disposal like that. Yeah, Rosie actually spoke to her on Sunday and I was going to get with Rosie. And actually, Denise is helping us out right now. But see if Denise could call her because she should she should be able to adjust her, yeah, her rate to what I mean, we should be paying those costs. So, yeah, I'm good. Anything else? I wanted to let everyone know that tight. Oh, no, wait, wait, no, no, it's just like that. Tyson, the zoning administrator will be out of the office the weeks of February 20th and 27th. He's available if something comes up and he needs to come in. But he will not be holding his regular office hours. So just to let the select board know that. Yeah. And then I think everyone is aware of our future meeting schedule. February will be slightly different with February 13th and 27th. And then, of course, we get into the town meeting schedule in March. It'll be so sweet to be with you all on Valentine's Day Eve. Oh, there you go. But it's not Valentine's Day, it's Eve. Yeah, very nice. So what about the town? The request about the county? I'm targeting February 27th for that. OK, all right. If you're going to say something, I'm sorry about that. Or maybe that was. Yeah, I was just on the sixth, which I guess is next Monday. I may or may not be able to appear remotely. I'll be traveling. I'm not sure if I'll be back yet. So I may or may not if I appear, it'll be remotely. But I may be unavailable, not near any place where I can. That's what you mean, the 13th, the 6th. We moved the dates to the 13th, 27th. All right, I'll see you on the 13th. We did it just for you. We did it for you. OK, thank you. All right. Sorry. You do know you sent a request for a cycle. Do you remember that? OK, thanks. Good thing you remember. Yeah, OK. Anything else to you? Yeah, OK. Did you get the one shot already? Oh, yeah, you saw it, right, Carl? Yes. Was there anything else? No other business? Not unless we want to bury it. Tell the other business. We want to make sure we have no other business before we adjourn. We could adjourn earlier. Well, we can still discuss it. I make a motion that we adjourn tonight's meeting, January 30th, 2023, as of the eastbound finish line of work. Second. I'll say it with me, say hi. Hi, hi, hi. You didn't have to do that.