 If you look back throughout the spiritual history and literature of people like Yogananda there's a lot of literature and everything and Gary is very clear in pointing out what the Course talked about the teachers of teachers and their form can still appear we already went over that that when you're out of here, you're out of here but the images, the symbols of Jesus and Mary and depending on Guru's Yogananda you know, had many many experiences and so forth I think the good thing about this whole thing is that the Course isn't for everyone and it disappears to the universe isn't for everyone it's just one path among many many and that's what's so beautiful about this but there are those who may see visions, apparitions you know, all kinds of symbols like that that are part of what we call psychic phenomena even people, for example, that have had near-death experiences that talk about seeing relatives we've talked about and we're moving to a tunnel seeing this light and many different experiences you know, sometimes they live kind of like in an underground like they have the experience but they feel like they can never tell anyone else or they'll be judged as wacko and crazy so another benefit of something like this disappears to the universe what it does is there are a number of people on this planet that are having these kind of visions and as Gary has said, there's nothing special about them in the sense that there are people that have healing abilities and there are many different kind of psychic abilities and just in talking among you I can tell that I always hear many different experiences people have and we want to be open and accepting in a sense that nobody should have to feel like they have to be underground or be in the closet about these things and actually when you have symbols of people that come out and actually say, you know, this and share it openly what that does is we've been through this even with things like homosexuality and everything that's where the whole phrase coming out of the closet comes in it's just symbolic that people feel our permission to talk about these things there's no part in the course where it says you will never see visions you may not use words like ascended masters but if you really read it with openness you start to realize that there's a range of psychic phenomena that are actually very much a common part of spirituality and have been for centuries and we can't just lock them out of the dialogue and say that it just didn't happen I think that's to accuse anybody or anybody about their own spirituality that just seems to me something that you have to take it back and look at yourself about what part of myself has insecurity if there's something somebody else is going through on their spiritual journey that I have an issue with and the spirit would say bring it back and just take a look in your own mind you know, don't point the finger one finger out, three fingers back one for the father, one for the son, one for the only guest so that's where we're going it's like Cindy and I were in Mexico in January we were just there again, we did a cruise to Mexico but we were there in January we went to the middle part of Mexico Mexico City, went to the Germans New Mexico City I didn't know that the sun charming New Mexico City is actually bigger it has more mass than the great charming of Giza in Egypt, it's actually bigger and it was just a wonderful experience we went to a place called San Miguel Agenda a beautiful place we went to Guadalajara I thought, oh isn't that nice we went to Guadalajara and I thought the Mexican village has 10 million people we don't have a city in America that has 10 million people and it was just amazing and the thing about it, I wanted to mention because Dave was mentioning these experiences that people have well, near Mexico City there's a chapel, well not a chapel I thought I'll leave it by Lupe now, there's this thing that happened 500 years ago in Mexico City this guy was walking in the winter up on a hill and he saw the Virgin Mary the Virgin Mary appeared to him he was stunned and she said, go tell the priest that I want him to build a church for me here so the guy went and told the priest and the priest wouldn't believe him and the priest said, I want proof give me proof so he went back and he said to the Virgin Mary who is still there and his guy won't believe him if he wants proof so Mary said to him, well go to the top of the hill there this is winter, flowers aren't growing now there's going to be a bunch of flowers up there I want you to pick all the flowers and carry them to the priest that will be your proof so the guy goes up to the top of the hill sure enough all these beautiful flowers blooming, roses right there in the middle of the winter it can't happen and he picks all these flowers and he puts them up to his chest like this he's got one of his long peasant shirts on and he carries the flowers to the ministry of the priest and he says here's your proof there are lots of flowers in front of the priest and what he didn't know was that on his shirt there was this perfect image of the Virgin Mary this perfect image of what they call our Lady of Bodilabies it's like our Lady of Fatima wherever she appears they call her our Lady of So-and-so and this is a beautiful image of the Virgin Mary now the material in that shirt should have decayed and disintegrated after 12 years as most of the shirts do they are made of that they just disintegrate they've gone they fall apart this image has been on display at the church that the priest built for our Lady of Bodilabies it's been there for 500 years and it has never decayed never disintegrated never faded so it's exactly the same as it did 500 years ago it's not a painting they've tested it it looks like a beautiful painting but it's not a painting they've tested it there's no paint there and the reason I bring that up is to show that there are really incredible things that are possible even on the level of form but that's not the way the miracle is occurring the miracle is occurring at the level of the mind so if you read about the Dead Sea Party that may do what it looks like but that's not what the miracle is really happening the miracle is actually happening at the level of the mind and then the Dead Sea Parts the miracle happens at the level of the mind then you have an image of the Virgin Mary that lasts for 500 years and Cindy and I have seen it we were there and somebody tried to blow it up they put a bomb in front of it and tried to blow it up and there was this cross there and the cross completely stopped the bomb and this image was never heard it was never damaged there are all kinds of incredible stories involving this place the people there are just so faithful you'll never get a more Catholic place in the world than Mexico it's like completely Catholic and we saw these kids they walked all across the country then when they get near this church when they get to the cement park they start crawling and crawling themselves to worship Mary and I really think what made that particular event possible was just the faith and the ideas that the people have in their minds and the mysticism and belief in saints and things like that that they have so now I go here and I get this from the nearest it's something like really good in Mexico and I get all these people there into a course of miracles and they're all Catholics and they all get these little saints on their sleeves and things sewed into their shirts and pants and they're like wicked Catholics and yet at the same time they believe in our new person and of course that could happen why wouldn't saints appear? so it's really interesting to see a so open up spell when we go there but what makes all these events all these miracles that you read about the Bible and stuff like that they really do happen and the reason that they happen is because of the power of the mind it's really the mind where the miracle is occurring and then they show up out there on the screen it seemed to be the miracle but the miracle isn't really out on the screen the real miracle is where the projector is which is the mind