 We are Muslim, in one of the rule One of the rule, going to a hut, you have to slaughter the animals You have to cut an animal's head off and please go Pass the lamb about it, see what the lamb thinks You're gonna get old sooner, so you're gonna get wrinkled sooner Can you see a tomato get cut? You don't feel bad But they've got a life as well, haven't they? You want to prove me wrong? No, you've done it Are you vegan? No, I'm vegetarian You're vegetarian? Well, you're not vegan? No So you support animal abuse? Okay Prove me wrong Very preachy The most preachy I'm with the same Sorry? I'm with the same, she's not... She's not the same in your... I'm vegetarian, I'm not So I'm with the same, you're treating both the same Do you think we are the same? I understand, I'm thinking, I'm thinking basically Yeah Practically, yeah So for five years I wasted my time Yes, you do When you're vegetarian, you eat milk and eggs Yeah Well, we use organic, so... Organic milk and organic eggs? Yeah We think in the air, being treated in a good way In the air, being held In the UK? You live in the UK? You stay in the UK often? Yeah, we came from Leeds Okay So you only eat organic eggs and organic milk in the UK? Yes Only? Jesus, wow So when you go... We're not only dairy, for vegetables, for fruits Everything organic We go for organic eggs So when you go to... Now, when you eat it, you don't eat at restaurants You don't eat anywhere Oh yeah, we do Yeah, yeah, yeah That's not... So where's what I mean? Like, only or when you try to? For pizza, there's no milk So when you go for pizza, like you go cheese, pizza Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah So you don't order? But you don't eat pizza every day Maybe two weeks at a time We're not going to our restaurant regularly No, no, no We go to the hygiene and then lifestyle, health lifestyle So maybe we go to the restaurant twice or three times a month So we're not going to our restaurant Organic, right? I mean, you eat meat, dairy, eggs, fish You eat fish? You don't eat fish? Everything, no, no No, no, no, no meat for many... I'm not vegetarian, I'm vegetarian Vegetarian I know vegetarian, laxitarian, a vegan, raw vegan I know everything You eat their bodies? You don't eat their bodies? That's the difference? Yeah Okay Do you wear their skin? No For leather? I always check their... You know, she's not the same Not the same Sometimes you buy second hand belts So if you eat beef, do you eat cows? Yeah They might have come from your consumption of dairy? Yes The 50% of the beef comes from the dairy industry So those cows that you get your milk from They go to the slaughterhouse Do you know that? I do You still have some timers Because I have seen a programme about They killing the calf in the dairy farm Most of them But some of them, they keep the calf With the mum? Yes And keep the calf aside Because they don't want to take the milk from the mum Maybe once a week Yeah, that's a standard practice Yeah Most dairy farms in the world do that But mostly they kill the calf Yeah, yeah, they do And this is the... So you know this? Yeah, I just knew about that Okay Last week I seen a programme So if you know about that then you know that These industries, but in the dairy industry It's separating families Yeah The calf from the mother Yeah So you said the calf from the dairy farm Yeah The milk came for me And the meat goes for her The meat industry and the veal industry And the beef industry Are supported by the dairy industry They're connected very intrinsically Yeah Because all of those dairy cows Go to the slaughterhouse and are eaten Yeah For burgers Or even the killing when they're born Or maybe on the first day of life They can sometimes kill them The calves, but what they're doing in the dairy industry In the UK now is they're using the dairy cows They're impregnating them with semen for a beef breed So then the dairy calf gives birth to a beef calf They raise the calf to be killed for the beef industry So the dairy industry and the meat industry Are like this Okay But about myself I always think you need to be a vegan Okay Not just vegetarian Yeah But I have like a few questions in my mind always Can you just answer me that one? Yeah, of course If you have information Okay Because doctors and so like those Like those people say it If you're not eating meat or collagen Stuff like that You're going to wrinkle sooner You're not going to be like those people Have a strong muscles And then you just feel fit You feel tired You're losing vitamin B12 And sometimes B6 Yeah, and these And then I try not to I'm losing my hair actually Right now because of B12 We are living together A supplement with B12 But the supplement with B12 You should do a supplement with B12 I take B12 supplement No help It's not a lie You're still deficient? I have it You have to Well then you have absorption issues This is different You can eat meat And be deficient in B12 Because it's there Most people who are It's mineral And then those vitamins on the vegetable It's not exactly the same on the animal Because they were you observing Vegetables and then those mineral It's different from your observing from the meat So how can you Give me an example Like well because What mineral do you think? B12, B6 Yeah, B12 doesn't come from animals It's in animals But it doesn't come from animals It's come from the grass It's in the It's a bacteria that exists in the soil That produce B12 But it's a good source of B12 To eat it from animals But I'm a good source of B12 You wouldn't eat me And you can supplement B12 really easily And most of the fortified food Like the cereals and the Soya milks and all that They have B12 fortified in them Like a supplement And it's like it says You don't feel strong enough You know you feel fatigued You get muscle when you are vegan Yeah, so you're talking about Is there protein in plants? Amino acids I think there's 20 amino acids 9 of them are essential All 9 essential amino acids Are found in all plants But in varying degrees So you might get some beans They've got more protein You might get some lettuce They've got less protein But they Even lettuce has all the amino acids But you just have to eat a variety of food And enough food So if you're getting enough calories 2,000 calories If you're not eating enough You might get tired You might not get enough nutrients You might get weak hair You might start to feel fatigued And if you're eating enough food So what people do is They stop eating cheese, meat, eggs And then they start eating vegetables And vegetables have less calories So when you take calories away You have to replace those calories And not with lettuce or broccoli With beans and bread And nuts and seeds And chickpeas And lentils Yeah, lentils and hummus You know, calorie dense foods And vegetables and fruits And dried fruits But so you're eating enough calories Because if you have a plate of food like this It's got cheese there Eggs there Meat there You take those out You add more vegetables And you have the same amount of food The calories are going to be a lot less And this is the main problem That when people go vegan They start eating less calories The same amount of food and less calories So that's the big part Like everyday chickpeas or beans or stuff like that Yeah, they're very healthy Full of fiber Much healthier than meat There's no fiber in meat Meat has cholesterol in there Red meats are probable cause of cancer So a class 2A carcinogen Process meats like bacon and ham Is a type 1 carcinogen Eggs are filled with cholesterol But these industries exploit and harm and kill animals Even on organic farms They go to the same slaughterhouse As the rest of the animals You seem like a really good people But if you've seen what's inside of a slaughterhouse There's something out of the depths of A horror movie Hell Yeah, of course There's blood There's fear Animals crap themselves out of fear They don't want to die We have a problem actually For her as well We are Muslim In one of the role The animal should not be slaughtered In front of each other Hala slaughter Yeah We can't find hala like this Do we slaughter it? No Because they are slaughtered in the same plate They see each other They hear each other And this is not hala What about the chicken? Halao is interesting too Because I talk to Muslims all the time as well You eat milk and eggs Do you think those dairy cows go to a halaos slaughterhouse? No When they wrote the halao guidelines in the Hadiths Is it Hadiths? Where the halao... Hadiths go on and on these both Okay Dairy was not an industry back then Milk was not an industry Now milk is an industry Do you think milk is halao? Yeah They didn't account for it Well they didn't account for it Well they separate the families They... But what about the herd going to Makkah And then one of the rouls going to Hajj You have to slaughter the animal to give it To get parity Do you know what I mean? So what about that if I am a vegan? Am I still allowed to do that? I wouldn't do it There's no reason you have to sacrifice an animal In order to make a sacrifice Well it's a roul It's not a roul There is no roul to sacrifice Oh into the... You have to hold the knife And kill an animal in order to go to the Makkah Yeah when you do So the pilgrimage is about so many rouls When you're doing it So one of them Is sacrificing an animal So sacrificing an animal And give it to the poor people Do you know what I mean? It's a reality This is not a roul in the Quran It is Otherwise a man should be slaughtered Instead of the animal So it's a story Is it haram not to sacrifice an animal? No it's not completed It's one of the rouls If you're not done that So that means... Why do you have to sacrifice an animal? Because of Abraham Because of Abraham is not being sacrificed So you won't complete your pilgrimage Unless you kill an animal No I'm sorry They don't say you're killing an animal Because if we can say that They've seen this As like doing good to say kill But they don't say kill They say it's a good thing I'm from Algeria and I know what it is I know both sides Yeah that's interesting So okay so... You can cry him He knows about them Just look at the sign And he gave him a lamb and said What if he gave him like Something else other than the lamb? So this is different But what I'm saying is that You can make sacrifices as a Muslim That don't involve cutting animals' heads off No no She's asking me if I go to... If you go will you do it? I don't do that at all I don't think God will punish you for not doing that No no And I think you can give to the poor And make sacrifice So let's just say you're going to sacrifice Well you can sacrifice someone else Without their permission Or you can sacrifice something from yourself Like your time and your energy To help poor people Like what you think this is bad in God's eyes I don't know I don't know You have to cut an animal's heads off To please God Which you cannot do in the pilgrim That's fine Ask the lamb about it See what the lamb thinks We're talking about the choices If you've been a vegan You don't have enough choices to eat That's why I'm talking about it Let me ask you this You're saying you might not complete the pilgrimage But why do you pay for the animals To have their heads cut off without pilgrimage Just during the day? Just usually Paying them money instead of this Yeah well you pay people in slaughterhouses To get animals I thought about that as well Could you pay me to kill a cow right now? No What about the Halaway? This is Daisy the cow Okay We face the cow to Mecca I do the proper prayer I grab the sharp knife I cut through to the back of their throat Through whatever this artery is And you see the cow struggling bleeding I've seen it in my life too Do the cows go willingly? No Do they try to struggle and breathe? Yes They're trying to survive And I feel those Yeah yeah It doesn't seem like they want to be sacrificed Well no So you couldn't pay me to kill the cow But you pay other people to do it all the time When you don't see it Yes If God wanted you to eat animals Why do you feel bad when you see them be killed? Well that doesn't help you to kill an animal It's my choice, do you know me? When you make a choice What do you listen to? When you make a decision Oh right As long as you say do you want to I don't mind You use your conscience And your mind and your logic And who gave those to you? Who gave you your conscience? Who do you believe gave you your conscience? It's inside you Who created you? Oh God Oh Oh God Hala Okay When you see an animal be slaughtered in the Hala way What does your heart say? She's not looking at the situation Yeah I'm not looking at them Because she doesn't know it If I look at them it's going to be a really touching thing Maybe before she was okay And I was okay I did sacrifice in my home actually For the dead people But now When I'm talking about this at home We've seen lots of programs, TV shows And she always changes Yeah And she eats meat because of this I don't think you could kill an animal personally I don't think you or you Maybe if you were forced to Maybe you could I don't think you'd feel good about it Can I have one more question please? Yeah After this Because I really want to get to this point here If God created you You have a conscience Right This is Hala you're talking about The most intelligent creator ever Right Now there's many books I get there's books Right And the Koran is like The last word of God Like this is like Unchanged God will protect this But you were also created by God I think this is better proof Yeah This is really good proof Yes When an animal doesn't want to die You don't want to kill them If you believe in God That has to be God speaking to you It's not because that is about the person's choice When you eat an apple It's not because I'm moving about my choices Do you know what I mean? Yeah So every time he tells me I don't feel like To have any meat in my meals Or anything like that And then when I'm cooking it at home He says do you not like it when it gets smell Or anything like that He said no I'm not going to fry And I'm just saying So if I decide it If I go somewhere It smells kabab Or something like that Or a grill or Those nice things I'm not going to be like Delicious So I can't stand it I get it So but when you eat beans Rice Hummus When you eat bread and hummus and chickpeas When you boil it When you cut a tomato Do you don't feel the same way As when you see a cow I'll get their head cut off, do you? So you see a tomato get cut You don't feel bad No But they've got life as well, haven't they? They've got life as well Do you care about a tomato? Me, they haven't I don't care I don't care if they're alive Because they've people don't breathe as well I don't care if a tree's alive There's no brain there There's no one inside of there Like you both are subjects of a life Like there's someone in there In the chicken There's a subject In that pigeon there There's a subject They want to avoid pain and distress And they want to A tree is rooted into the ground There's no brain No nervous system No subject There's no one in there When you look into the eyes of an animal There's someone in there You know So you also So my question was only When I wanted to talk to her With the same Are you the same? So she gave me only one proof That that's the same I don't think you can tell her Because you still support two of the industries That I tell you No, no, no If she's saying to We can change our vegan Sub-climate change D.V. probably I said we are our population Well, here's another one for God As well because he's a Muslim Muslims They still want to eat animals Even though it's destroying God's Earth So God would have accounted for population growth I think God would have accounted for population growth I always tell him I'm not destroying the third one animal Because I'm eating once a week Or twice a week So it's not my thing It doesn't matter Like I still think So when you eat a piece of meat, right Imagine how much food Went into that animal to Water Food to grow that animal It's the most unsustainable thing we do Is feed animals to kill them and eat them That was my guess, though Yeah, okay, okay, let's go So if you've been Do you still become a vegan Or do you still suggest Veganism is the best way to do it The best way to live I don't think you can sustainably Feed the population with animals I think it's impossible Even if you could I still wouldn't agree with killing the animal Do unto others as you would have them Do unto you You know I wouldn't want to be Have my children taken for dairy I wouldn't want to be killed in a slaughterhouse I wouldn't want to be cut Sacrifice to a lark Sorry, sorry Hey, brother Cheers mate Thank you very much, brother Before you go Scan with your phone You're both good people, by the way Okay, I know I know you are Okay, it's nice to meet you It's really nice to meet you too Take care See you later They're a lovely couple, weren't they? Really nice I think they're almost there Just needed a little bit of like A little bit of help But yeah, if you ask the animals If they want to be sacrificed It's definitely a no Not everyone follows Every part of their religion, you know what I'm saying So People like to pick and choose out of religions You know, you're not praying five times a day You're not You're not doing lots of things in your religion So why not take the The cruel parts out And follow God and your religion I mean That's what I don't get I think usually it's because people want to use The religion to justify something they want to do They prefer to do, which is eat meat You know, so they're using it To justify it But it's not a requirement in any religion To kill any animals In fact, if you look at What God would want It was probably not to destroy their earth And not to torture their animals And to kill Their creation With heart disease and cancer You know, from eating processed meat Animal products and So yeah I decided to become a vegan I'm pretty good You're a vegan now Ah, that's a Don't play that joke on me He said I'm going to go back to the To eat meat as well Because he said you don't have a both And different So He said I'm going to eat meat again So I'm joking Ah, that's even worse Thank you Okay And what about you? Are you going to still eat animals? Yeah Okay I'm sorry Apologise to the animals, not me I mean, it doesn't hurt me Apologise to the animals It hurts the animals No worries Thank you very much See you later Bye bye I actually thought maybe they Were affected in some way By that conversation But Obviously not