 Welcome to the AI for Good Global Summit and I'm now joined by Jamie Peck who's professor of the robotics lab at EPFL. Good to have you here. Hello. What brings you here first of all? I'm here to talk about my reconfigure robots that we develop in the lab. They are known for being inspired by origamis hence they're called robogamis. Robogamis? Robogamis. Explain that. Robogamis are the robots that can reconfigure itself depending on its task. So think about robots that are multi-tasking. In this case this top platform can move in a three degrees of freedom way and it can give you the forced feedback in anything that you can think of. So think about seeing your screen where you're seeing avocados that are super soft you can feel it soft and if you go to the next one you can feel it's a harder avocado. So you're transmitting or transferring the digital digitally the sensation of feeling. Before we started filming you're telling me that there's a lot of robots here that they're the star of the show this year but they're a bit limited right tell me about that. Classically and typically robots are designed to do one task very well optimized for single tasks. As soon as there's too much Wi-Fi going on limited bandwidth they tend to fail. That's the electrical failure or communication failure. Physically if there are too many people going around too many cables on the ground they fail as well the missions are failed. So I think it's a time where we need to think about how to make robots more intelligent in embodied way in physical way. And how do we do that? By having more degrees of freedom having the compliance and having the safety in mind when you're designing a robot. Safety and freedom there's a lot of talk about ethics of AI as well in robots. Are you part of that? I would love talking about ethics I'm not so sure how to formalize it. I think it's very important that we question and always be stay vigilant in terms of the changes that we are seeing in terms of technology. One thing you told me about was that your robot could be very interesting for example as you're working you go to grunt with the European Space Agency. Correct. A couple of the designs of our robots are made to be super modular meaning that they can link up together and disassemble autonomously depending on the task. So to go to space there's very limited space on the spaceship so you want to have a modular system that is intelligent enough to communicate with each other when they're linked up and be assembling the dimensions that you want to use for a very specific task once in space. And so what's the feedback you're getting with your ideas? Great feedback in terms of creativity and application so you're looking at different scales of these robots as well as the resolution. How do you make them more reactive or less reactive depending on the situation. We've seen a lot of humanoids this time as well. Yes. Which are thoughts on that? Well I have very soft heart for humanoids because I studied humanoids for my studies that's already more than a decade ago. When I built my humanoid at that time I built it so they can mimic the pitchers throw and baseball and lift up dumbbells just to show how strong it is and how agile it is. But the problem with that humanoid robot that I built and designed was even though it had the lightest arm that's comparable to human arm it was not able to make a scrambled egg at all and that's usually the question I get. Humanoid, great, can it do my house chores for me? Can it do something else? That's a current problem with many not problem but limitation of the current designs of a robot is that they're optimized for single tasks the one that you thought of when you're building it but as soon as you have your new task in hand they don't perform. So what we need is a humanoid that can play baseball at a high level and make scrambled eggs. That would be nice. Thanks very much for your time. Thank you Chris. It's great to have you. So that was Jamie Peck there from the EPFL head of the robotics laboratory there and we'll have much more on AI for Goods Global Summit right here stay with us.