 Which is 187 South Champlain Street, right? Scott. Correct. And we have the applicant here. We do. Who do we have for the applicant? That it's max from parks max. This is on a consent agenda item, which means that we wouldn't hold public hearing. Has the applicant seen the recommended staff findings and approvals? Yes, I have. Any issue with them? No, I have no issue with them. Is there anybody on the board who has any questions or concerns? Anybody? Nobody online, Scott? We have some folks online, but I bet they're not here for this item. Well, that's online to speak on 187 South Champlain Street. Could you raise your hand? Who's raising your hand? Seeing none. I would move that we approve ZP2451187 South Champlain Street. Let's check that. We had Chase first. All those in favor? All right. Good luck. All right. Thank you so much. So the next item on our agenda is 75 Briggs Street, Marraki Realty Holdings, Andrea Charis, Re-application, proposed construction of the Health Club Planning Community Center, and related site improvements. We have the applicant here. Join us up there. So, AJ, just briefly, I posted a couple of new items today that we received from the applicant since the staff report. One was the TDM plan that looks to pass muster, and the other was a revised landscaping plan that removes the three trees that were questioned along Briggs Street. I wasn't quite sure what the upshot was there, so maybe you can clarify that with the board tonight. The only outstanding item, at least from the staff report, at this point, looks to be whether the project's going to be phased or not. The original project was going to be phase one and two, phase two. I think it's going to be basically the Briggs Street stuff. Marraki said that the question, whether you're going to do that again, nor just do it as planned. So, including anyone online who wants to speak on this application to raise your right hand, do you swear that the testimony you're about to give is true and correct under the pains and penalties of hergery? Yes. All right, so if you would just introduce yourselves, we saw this before in 2018, I think, and we approved it and we're glad to see it back. Let me quickly just ask you to summarize, especially the board members are remembered very well, summarize what the project is and sort of what you're looking to do and then start with. Sure. First off, I am Stephen Charest. I am the co-owner of Etch-a-Cliff's climbing center mountaineering school Charest Alpinism and Marraki, which is all over different organizations, holding and liabilities, things of that nature. I'm Andrea Charest, with Cliffs and Marraki. Thanks. I'm Susan Kudair, the architect for the Charest and Etch-a-Cliff's and we've been working together for quite some time at once, so anyway, happy to be back. Yeah, and the quick summary of it is it is a indoor climbing center and mountaineering school. Our current facility is F-105 Briggs Street and it's a 6,000 square foot warehouse with about 20 something foot tall walls and that basically we're trying to modernize and basically join what is the modern revolution of climbing gyms. So it was a little over 13,000 square feet, 51 feet tall and basically this increasing a lot of our square footage, also having areas for training and more health hub and yoga studios as well as kind of a couple different things that we've kind of looked at, including exploring some different things that like for example, we had a test wellness recently, a drill for geothermal and exploring solar and trying to make the whole building actually off the grid. We can get into that. I know that was a question and here's you that we didn't have any plans yet for sustainable. On the scope of the project, what's different? That includes the longer design of the building. What's different we will be sawing probably 18 and now. Is anything still? Sure. What's different is, so the entryway with the hands on it, with the logo on it, it's like a triangular shape and it used to be facing the other way. So it was a pretty subtle change, I think, but we don't have a forward picture of the renderings. But yeah, this that piece in the front used to sort of open up from the opposite direction on, you know, looking at it again, where the project was inactive for a little while, the stress and their business manager felt that it made a lot more sense to or it was more welcoming, a more welcoming entrance to have the wide end of that facing the parking area. We made sure that our sort of street presence on Briggs Street stayed similar and prominent. So that was the big move. The small things were, well, another big thing is that the parkway construction happened. And so that's why Petra 105 Briggs Street is where it is. Yeah. And so after a resurvey of that portion of the property, there was some landscape and parking lot changes that needed to happen just to create alignment. We had to recheck the radius of a bunch of curves in there, because the street is so narrow and the turn is mechanic. So some pretty small things like that. And then some things that have come along as technology has evolved. So some electric vehicle chargers that were proposing to be added. It looks as if it looks as if we can get to net zero with a geothermal heating cooling system. And we have worked with an energy model with our mechanical engineers to find an ability to make sure that that's optimized. Likewise, there's a solar array proposed for the roof of the large volume, the blue big climbing area. And that I think is to be determined whether that would be at least scenario or a moment scenario by Petra Phillips. But so the pieces are there to hopefully get to net zero. We've been working quite closely with the electric department. What else has changed? I think that just about summarizes the changes. So it's just sort of some of the geometry in the front and the landscape adapting to the new street location. More bike parking. More bike parking, point spots. How about the internal use? Still the same expected number of people, set the number programmatically the same. Yeah. Yes. In fact, yeah, we slightly changed the climbing walls, but that was actually just get more square footage of climbing to accommodate more people if needed. One thing that's probably not relevant here, but as culture has changed, there's a shared gender neutral bathroom instead of two gender backgrounds. So that's probably the most significant change to begin through. It doesn't change the outside at all. Yeah. The bathrooms then have floor to ceiling doors and separation and showers have their own doors and sections. So get privacy if needed. Otherwise it is gender neutral. So I wanted to just talk about the site plan a little bit. So this parking lot, your proposed parking lot doesn't connect. Wait, go back to also that first thing that you just had two questions about. So you're going to have to connect to the city market. That is correct. And you don't have any Eastern or Wrights to do that. It was a discussion for a while. Yeah, it was a discussion between both. It wasn't going to make sense. Okay. And in that orientation, are we looking at it from Briggs Street? You're standing on Briggs Street in that orientation. So I'm standing on Briggs Street and city market would be behind the blue building, would be to the right. And the existing warehouse that's on that corner stays now would stay. Yep. And it's that would be left of everything of this parking lot that you start seeing the edge of. That would still be in use. As of right now, it's simply a storage of different things for the building. And then once all of a sudden this gets done, that would be something that we will kind of figure out what is planned B for it, whether it be more training space or if we want to figure out how to do at least or something else. But that's right now, it's this storage and additional space for not programming. Scott, can I ask you some questions about traffic quickly? Sure. So I saw in your staff report a note that the Lynn and Parkway intersection was from LLSP to F based on 37 PMP hour trip generations. Right. Yep. That seems relatively sensitive at that intersection. Was that did we look at that intersection back in 2018 with public works or not? Yes. The staff, the traffic analysis that I uploaded is what was provided for the regional application. At that point, obviously, the Parkway hadn't started construction at this point. In checking it with public works, a risk of passing the book, I said, hey, do you guys have any additional comments? They said, no, nothing additional, but we still want to keep the condition about having traffic impact fees available for a five year span, which is basically something we do require the accounting and also putting up money for construction and sidewalk long breaks, which hasn't been built. But to your primary point, AJ, I think if you look at the whole of that traffic analysis, it basically contemplates improved level of service upon completion of the Parkway project. So the LOS has reported, is that under any completed Parkway project or not? I think it's without the Parkway. So that's not projecting what that signal is. And is that going to have traffic signal at it? Flint in Parkway? Yeah, it's got a traffic. So I guess I wouldn't swear to you. We're going to drive by it every day now, so yeah, just drive it like right now. And then you go, Jeff, we approved the project with this memo previously. Yes, no change. I do read the memo was saying that it takes into consideration that construction okay. I don't know what that means. It takes into consideration the fact that there's going to be construction or yeah, assumes last time we had a meeting with them previously, one of their requests was, can you wait till it's done? So we did it. I mean, if we've approved it previously, I know this is not coming to us. The hard press to say no to house, right, particularly because this also because the thing is the Parkway is built and it's designed as a traffic mitigation matter measure. Given the expected volumes, I can imagine the 37 PMP trips, which I have a question is actually material in terms of percent DLA volumes of that roadway. You know, like it's supposed to take traffic up high, what's the pine flint intersection volume? 1000 cars in and out. And also, I'm someone who actually has operations. I should just close my wife, used to be a member. Yeah. And so to the board, keep my bias, she no longer remembers. You guys don't, PM, weekday PM is not typically your busiest time. Typically actually is. So weekends and then depending on seasonality, for example, summer camp, we have 50 kids in summer camps currently or, you know, Monday to Friday. It's that makes that there's a large load, at least in the morning at the 8 AM and then the 5 PM. And then for our normal day-to-day operations, the busiest would be 5 to 10. Probably is actually after PM. The PM peak is typically between 4 and 6 PM. Yeah, it's like 3, 3, 4, 3, 8, so it's the top 60 minutes from that time span. So that's the private property. That's our sidewalk that we connect to the existing city market part and lot, which is not a public right of party. Correct. And there'll be questions of where that new sidewalk number tree will go eventually, but that's not. So that's big. So pedestrians could walk down that sidewalk. That's a city market. That's your front door. And then the walk that you have at the edge of the parking lot ends in the grass right now. Correct. But the idea is if there is another sidewalk, we would connect down to it. But they didn't want to crosswalk there. Yeah. I think so. Yeah, that's why it kind of, it doesn't lead you into the street. Public Works, the prior project had a crosswalk extending from that now dead end. Public Works, you're tested. Don't do that until we figure out what we're doing in public sidewalk. So there's definitely a colloquial sidewalk on the city parking. They're proposing to build one that lines up with the city. And we can still ask them to contribute to a second adjacent sidewalk on brick street. That was, yes, that's the request. We don't know where that's going to go. Well, I mean, it's noted on site plan where it's going to go, but it kind of got a squint, but it's there. Okay. And now was DPW is required. Correct. We approved it previously with that. Yeah, I know. It still proposes a condition, but then they built brick street. They rebuilt it outside Waxley, confused by that job. Yeah, there is a lot of space for it is the issue. That seems to be sort of permanent problem. And it's not necessarily at city market or at 75. One you get beyond our properties with two private properties and one of five brick street for current patch blissness, there is not space for set site. I suppose I should ask, are you keeping one of five is there a connection between this? No, no, this was one of those famous stories that tried to buy the building and Joe Andy told us no. So we said, all right, we'll find a new building. And we literally were looking all over Timmy County and city market happened to make all of this a line to me. Yeah, it's a little bit here, at least 10 North 75 closing one of five deconstruct the walls at 105 deconstruct the one of five. Some of them will become our entity Patrick lifts at Patrick lifts. So Scott asked the question about facing. Sure, specifically what it meant. Yeah, I can't remember it was it must have been trees, which were which couldn't be put in until the parkway was complete. So I think the phase two had to do with the condition of the parkway. And it's to go and one phase one was most of it. These two is basically the stuff that really needs to be improved. Yes. So you don't have to phase it in. So it would just be one built. Yeah. I'll mention that we had quite a lot of conversation with Caleb not Caleb modern. And about that sidewalk. And the upshot was that there really is not he doesn't know how we go. We also spoke with BJ about the trees, future trees, you know, so because we're indicating those future trees at one point. And so he wouldn't decide what would go or the trees and their overhead lines sort of preventing trees from going going where you think it would be. So so my takeaway was that I wonder when that sidewalk would ever come around. Because it seems like there's just some spatial constraints. But at this point people have a way to walk from the new bike path cross the crosswalk and city market and walk up connect sidewalks. So I don't know if I'm out of line by saying this, but if anybody's willing to offer some of the escrow money for them to construct the sidewalk, you know, we're looking at right now we're looking at it in two forms, whether it's a stoned us path or whether it's an actual concrete sidewalk, your private walkway. So I'll just say that. I have a question. Probably more for staff just looking at the signs and how I was reading the regulation on wall signs, I thought that wall signs could not be higher than the floor on the second floor. Am I reading that wrong? Can't be higher than the floor the second floor. Are you reading that right? I can pull that line up again. But so on the plan, it looks like it starts at higher than the floor. So that's the first time. This is a, well, okay. So the primary structure here is a single story, right? And this is also single. Is this one or two in here? That's two story, the lobbyist two stories. So there's a little gray area, Caitlin. So I guess this is why it's in front of the board. But sometimes we have very tall single story buildings and this is one. So the primary structure has a single story and it exceeds the height of the wall sign. So I thought it was okay. I think visually it looks okay under the design standard in Article 6, but you know, it's, it's your call, it's the board. Well, there's a mezzanine and a second floor. Let's go right. So the, that white section is the start of the second floor. The setback part. But there is a mezzanine between the first floor. It's a first floor mezzanine and the second floor. The second floor is kind of where that white volume starts. But I think that, yeah, the volume to the right, the climbing is full height, one story, the lobby volume, which is the street facing one. That is a vaulted space as well. And then the one that sits back, it's technically a two story, a two story volume. And so the second story starts just above the top of the sign. So the only other similar example that I can think of was actually the Subaru dealership on Shelver and Street and Flynn. Parts of that building is two stories, but other parts is a single. And their wall signage is up near the top of the building, the top of the single story portion. So for what it's worth, we have that precedent point too. It's just interesting because like from the outside, you can't tell the difference. Like to me, I would look at the rows of windows and that looks like it's the second floor. When you look through the rows of windows, you'll see climbing walls. So the full 51 feet, so as you walk by or bike by, so you can watch climbers. That was it for me. So I mean, I find it, Caitlyn, that's an interesting point. When I, is it just getting painted on the building? It'll be a metal sign. Slightly. Or it's worse. Mezzanine does not count as a floor. So if you have a two-story space with mezzanine, it's a one-story thing. So it is building the second floor. Is it painted on or is it a metal test? Just in reference to how, I mean, how would we deal with like literal wall art? Like if the Petra wasn't there, it was just the hand, the logo, like painted on the building. But that would be my consider to sign. No, not if it's just the hand painted. It was the hand with petroclist written on it though. That it becomes a sign there. So we do the north elevation of the building basing city market. During the design advisory board, you can see that elevation does have painted. They wanted something that side. Can we look at that side? Yep, so it does have graphics. Yeah, those are graphics and then plantings as well. I remember we wanted to discuss that face. So that's the side of the face of city market. There's actually plantings. They go, so we're looking at it through. What are the collages on that side? Blue and, uh, yeah. Yeah, and then it's like the bottom. Yeah. Climber on the left dangling from a rope on the right side more of an alpine, meaning my team. Yeah. Yep. And the middle is yoga. Got it. So it's meant to be like silhouette art of what it is we do. Because even the windows at the top of that feature right there will really look at the back of the wall. So they're technically non-functional. Yeah. Um, Sean, you had some questions. Well, no, I just would be sure that you confirm that your, uh, corrective action plan for the contaminating soil still valid. Yep. And we just recently had new soil samples taken throughout the whole thing. And I don't know if that board is the KS did that a couple weeks ago. Any day and quantities and yeah. Disconfirming everything that was before they think this changed. And they've been working closely with the state. Do we do have a Brownfield grant waiting in the wings, for the Brownfield revitalization of the property? Anybody in the audience here to speak on this application? I think so, AJ. Anything else on the board? Just say I'm really happy to see this project on the board. Yeah. Yeah. I've always said I'll go pretty well. Yeah, somebody fell off a cliff and then COVID. Excuse me. Uh, here we are. And here we are. Exactly. Excited. Let's see if I can be there by that launch of the day. And I think we're on Sunday to see a good proof. And, uh, first to end the cutting email for reasons we don't be sure you have to toggle it. Um, all right. So I guess with that, we'll close the public hearing and then we'll deliver it over to them. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Um, we have two other items, sort of one on our agenda. 750 Pine Street. Yeah, me up online. Hey, Jay. Susan. Hi, Susan. So this was on our consent agenda item. This was recommended for consent approval. It didn't make it unparalleled. Our consent agenda, Scott. Right. Any reason that you know about for that? Simply that when the agenda was set, I hadn't had enough time to look at this to see if it was a no brainer or not. This is a report of the duplicatives. Anybody in the board have any issues creating the system sentence? Susan, did you see the staff report on this? Yes. Do you have any issues with it that you need to discuss with us? Um, the staff report, did you say? Yes. Yes. Well, it sounded like there were no issues. With the master plan for the three new businesses at 750 Pine number two. That's right. It seems that the staff report approves it for consent approval. We ask applicants if they have any concerns in their correspondence with staff or any confusion. This one seems pretty simple. So I take your answer as a no. You're good to go. Yes. We are. Yes. No. No, we are good to go. I understand. Yes. Correct. Correct. I agree. Yeah. Is there anyone online to speak on this application? Let's hear it. So raise your hand. Nope. Just have the applicant. The anybody on the board have rejected a treaty this instance said? Motion. Okay. So I'll do ZP on ZP 2431. I move that we approve the application and the top staff findings and recommendations. So I just have seconds. All those in favor? Three. Okay. Enjoy your signs. Thank you very much. And we have a request deferred. Scott. The applicant is okay with the deferral? Yeah. The applicant is intending to and preparing to return to a design advisory board. I believe it's April 9th. Is the applicant on one? We don't have the applicant online. It looks like we have one neighbor online. 44 Red Avenue. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And do the applicant ask when they want it? So after the mark when should we? There's not a public hearing on it. So it doesn't need to be assessed to a date and time certain. So I would just defer it depending DAB recommendation. Anybody have an issue with that? So moved. All right. So moved second. All those in favor? Great. Deferred. Great. Right. So with that we've racked up our agenda and we'll close the public meeting.