 It's going on YouTube Anthony Johnson here today founder of the 21 convention ceo 21 studios here with another episode of the red man group Broadcasting live from Washington, DC Maga HQ Today in the show we have a pretty standard fair crew plus a new special guest George Bruno So going through the line We have Rolla Tomasi from the rational male Ryan Stone from married rep ill Donovan sharp from the sharp reality and Carl from black label logic and then new to the show like I mentioned George Bruno Actually, just got a haircut from the day up in Philadelphia He's also an alumni speaker of the 21 convention and as a channel on YouTube at gray Bailey. That's pretty big I think it's got 60,000 something subscribers now Gentlemen I'll take everyone I can get So guys, it's kind of I'm in DC. That's new for me. I'm here with mostly in a personal trip That's turned into a little bit of business too Let's kind of go through what you guys have going on. What's new in life and work? Rollo. Oh geez, okay. You can start with me. Um, well still working on the book still working on the book I have to get that out of the way. Yes. I'm still working on book for I'm really kind of getting it like digging into it In earnest now, I guess So been working on that. I have a lot of people that are helping me out with it, too And I just want to say hey, thank you for for all of that You know, it's interesting as soon as I started doing this I had guys like just sort of coming out of the woodwork saying oh, I heard you're doing something on religion I want to you know, I want to tell you about my experience or you know And then I've broadened the you know The scope of the book to be a little bit more inclusive of all kinds of religions rather than just sort of you know The Christian man's red pill or following what Dalrock has been doing for a while So I've really kind of expanded in the more I expand the scope of the book The the higher the page count gets and you know, it's it's it's starting to become a real a real job now It's summertime here in Tahoe or close to Tahoe People don't know I live pretty close to Lake Tahoe. Donovan knows where I live He used to be up there up where I'm at And so I got the quad out again. I got the kayak out. I'm starting to get some good hot days and and just Enjoying myself finally, you know when one of the reasons I moved to this location was so that I'd be closer to you know being able to do out outdoor things because it's real easy for me to get caught up in you know, just living on Twitter or Living in my studio or you know working on stuff and it's nice to have that You know the ability to just you know turn off and go outside and like within 20 minutes I'm out in the out in the bush. So That is what I'm doing right now. I think a lot of the other stuff That I'm that I've had going on this week. We'll probably talk about later on in the show. So I'll pass it off to Donovan go. Yeah Things are pretty status quo Well, actually, no, they're not they're not status quo anymore. I now take phone calls live on air Yes, and yeah, which is which is great I probably get one or two phone calls because I don't really I don't really have that big an audience now obviously because I stream live to To my website donovan sharp calm Which by the way is the only place to get my content now But what I'm gonna start doing is I'm gonna start I'm gonna start the simul that the simulcast mega cast thing So what I'm gonna do is I'm going to I'm gonna start simul casting to you and I'm not gonna expect anything Just pretty much Twitter Facebook does anyone hear that static? Hang on a second. Is that I think all right, it's gone now. We're good. Okay. We good. Nope. It's coming from your end on them again. Okay. Yeah, there we go And let is it unless it's just my end I hear from Donovan only is everyone's here that Check check one two three Yeah Yep, sweet Carl, what do you got going on buddy? Well, I put out three new essays on three very different topics there was the one I did this week on suicide and why people decide to shoot themselves and You know why men are much better at doing that than women Yeah Never get away from that. They always try to get catch up to us, but you just can't do it as well I wanted to congratulate you on that that blog post to because like I was like in the middle of doing something that was very similar to that I'm like, I'm done I'll just I'll just link it to Carl because that was it was really really good. That was one of my favorite ones for me Damn, I got to read it. I haven't seen it yet Yeah, thank you Rolo if you had any idea how many times how many of my Drafts are in there because oh Rolo wrote an essay on that. Okay Then last week that put out another value essay of the Has to do with image versus real value and it's just with the old kick-up artist type selling tactics and actually building real value and Then the week before that there was the one about Jordan Peterson and enforced monogamy That I wrote out and then it didn't get much traction I mean, I thought a 7,000 word blog post full of statistics would be a huge hit on Twitter, but it turns out not really Don't have been welcome back Yeah, it's still there it's pretty bad to Like you want to bug out and then come back in yeah, I'm just gonna have to restart everything. I'll be back Yeah, it's weird. I never heard that kind of static George I just saw you up in Philadelphia Yeah, yeah, you know, I saw I kind of know what's going on But tell the YouTube audience and everyone else what's new in your life. What's new to the channel? Yeah, the Salon I work at is closing so it's Usually when a salon gets sold everyone that works there just ends up having a new boss That's what I thought was gonna happen but the new owner is turning the salon into a little girls salon kind of like a Like the sweet and sassy model where they capture The business of a two-year-old girl and they carry her till she's 18 and goes up to college. Well, obviously I don't fit that business model. So I Packed everything up. I'm actually sitting in my room right now where I where I where you actually sat in the chair the other night and Everything's packed up and I got a friend coming by with a truck So we're gonna be bringing all the stuff to my house and then I'm interviewing salons You get to a point your career where they don't interview Interview you you interview them and I built up my status in my industry where I Would never be without work. I'm always in demand. So it's kind of a neat thing It took many years to get to that point. I wish I did it, you know, 30 years ago, but Better late than never What else is let's see the channel is about little over 65,000 I Think I think I have a really good audience about 96% men Very responsive my Amazon links are working good. So as far as e-commerce and so forth Yeah, my my online income as far as my income is concerned Exceeds my hair cutting income. So that's kind of a neat place to be and it makes me more mobile which So I can actually go to cutting hair part-time And I'm gonna be ending up in Florida Probably not far from you guys. My family is in Melbourne Beach So I'll be there within a year. So it's just a matter of the logistical stuff You know packing and so forth as far as any scholarly works working on a book edit I'm editing a book I wrote last year called How to leave the retail world once and for all and that's in the editing stage and that is Consistent with my philosophy of getting unstuck. So I'm thinking of doing a series That I'm calling Unstuck ology and it this this will be the First in a series this will be unstuck ology for the retail worker for people who want to leave The mall people who want to leave working in a store the book that I'm working on this year Actually writing in process right now is called the stable stoic and it's going to be how to remove yourself emotionally from things and Putting a success spin on it. So stable stoic to success Grant or Georgia wanted to mention to that your channel is quite a bit different from our channel and even Richard Cooper's channel It's a it's a huge in the like pipes of a community right on YouTube It's you know, it's really interesting. I I Spent 25 years in the commercial acting world I was a commercial actor and a lifestyle model which is different than a than a fashion model Okay, lifestyle models are a little bit uglier So I'm like the guy on the forklift on the guy who's at the cash register I'm the construction worker guy. So more of a character actor kind of thing and so I spent many years with Hair and makeup being applied by other professionals and what I had a chance to start my YouTube channel Like they would do like 30 takes for like one line Okay, like literally, you know So when I started my YouTube channel, it's kind of like the opposite of the professional actor It's me rolling out of the sack with bed head it's me firing up a cigar or a pipe and just kind of talking and The following I just literally lit up a pipe one night and all of a sudden Like in one night 10,000 hits on that video Wow, and And then it was like getting 10,000 a day and now it's I don't know like three-quarters of a million hits and it's Right now people in the YT PC which is called the YouTube pipe community which like what the hell is a pipe community, you know I'm saying it's like It's like like anything like that that ends with the word community. I'm like what the hell's that you know, I mean like Like I've always been tempted to drive in a Philadelphia say excuse me. Can you tell me where the gay community is? I heard there's a big gay community here. So but like come anything community is can be kind of like weird So everyone said I started seeing on blogs. Oh George Bruno is my favorite in the pipe community. I'm like, when did I enter the pipe community? I didn't even know that was a thing. I have no idea it existed when you told me it is such a thing I'm you know how like people sit at the feet of Osho and like gurus and stuff like that like Pipers have these these cult followings and I got this Accidental cult following that I never intended. Well, it's really interesting to me It seems like a very male community. That's very underground almost like even being on YouTube for ten years I had no idea this is a thing and it's all males basically, right? It's such a thing where Everyone supports one another Someone has cancer. Everyone's like praying for him So, you know, I mean like someone's wife goes in the hospital and like flowers are flooded, you know into her hospital room It's an interesting community and I find well I told you the story of my tobacconist. Tell me about your customers. This is a guy who has a brick-and-mortar Tobacco store cigars pipe cigarettes that kind of thing, you know the big giant ginger jars with pipe tobaccos a whole wall You know that kind of thing and I said tell me about your customers. He said cigarette smokers are in a hurry They want their nicotine man in and out in and out. They don't want to talk I said, what about your cigar smokers? He says 50% assholes 50% good guys. I said, what about your pipe smokers? He stopped for a second looked up at the sky and he says, ah my pipe smokers Every last one a gentleman And I thought how interesting So I like that crowd. They're they're slow to speak They're insightful um And they respect a lot of the younger guys respect the older guys, which you don't see a lot of in other communities Um, and it's very very male dominant, there's a couple females in there um And that's it. Yeah, I've never seen a woman smoke a pipe in my life At least not with the backup Smoke a pipe. Yeah, I mean I've seen a smoke a pipe. Usually there's no smoke coming out of that pipe Ryan, uh, what do you got going on man? The talk of george just did with about pipe smoking that would make a great like trailer for gay porn Yeah, ryan, how's married refill what's going on there? Uh, so far it's good. We're winding down from the 60 days of dread at this point It's just kind of coasting on its own thing Uh, for me, I did a job switch So I took a month off went down to speaking of the gay community I went to san francisco for about a week And i'm not gonna lie. It is the first time i've been there sober and during the day And i'm not gonna lie. I'm not impressed The whole city smells like piss Uh, sourdough bread is awesome And when you're not in your tropical whites, nobody seems to give a shit who you are, which is fine um Yeah, I remember meeting and I have a blog post as soon as I can get a chance to finish it I met a couple a few couples down there and their state of their marriage was I guess sad I didn't want to say anything at the time like one was talking about how they sleep in different bedrooms The other one the wife started like stroking the sides of my back there and i'm like Yeah, it was just a very it's a very surreal experience and it kind of doubled down on The sad state of marriage for a lot of guys out there. So I understand And sometimes I get really ornery when I hear guys that are still bitching and complaining that I have to lift every day like What does that mean when I have to stand up to my wife? What if she gets mad and I realize that like there is still a large group of guys It's just such a distant concept for me that I forget So that was nice and then the new job. This is the first time I've had a commute in since 2012 First day was a bit of a bit of anxiety attack on that one So I got to thank Carl on that because he kind of walked me through it was like relax man It's just temporary just because you haven't been in a car in traffic in seven years So that's good. They gave me enough money though. I figured I'd give it a good college try so and then beyond that Working on my voice acting I was actually for the past month. I've been following Bruno's stuff I I'm just curious what this Philadelphia accent sounds like that apparently is the worst one ever because I don't know how it can be A prairie boy twang, but I'll have to see that later And then uh beyond that it's just plugging through getting accustomed to my new role and finding out where I want to put this new chunk of money they offered Now ryan I wanted to ask too you obviously met you and george met at the convention so to george and rollo Did you get to spend some time with george or is this kind of been passing? Not as much as I would have liked I have to i'm not going to lie the first couple days I had a bit of a deer in the headlights field to it So I think we met and talked just briefly same as like richard cooper I did get more oh granted. I got more time with either of them than I did with rollo He was like I think I throughout the week I think I sought out every speaker after they spoke I just kind of worked my way through the crowd and introduced myself and told everyone, you know Great job. And I think I think that's what I did with you. I kind of came up to you and yeah Pleasantry so i'm looking forward now at this time that I kind of know Now how things are going to be a little more a little more on the social side and a little less on the Remembering the lines of the speech side. So that'll be nice Although it's better my introduction with golden. I met him when I was taking a piss He just starts pissing beside me and I saw the hat and I'm like, oh, you must be golden right on man Nice, let's move on to today's first topic the anthony of braday and suicide I've been following that on and off since it happened Uh, I know that ryan and rollo and carl been really you guys been talking about the behind scenes a lot Can you kind of fill in our viewers with what happened with that and then let's take some perspectives on it? Well, yeah, it's basically boy meets crazy girl crazy girl sleeps with boy Boy falls head over heels in love crazy girl moves on Boy moves on to the afterlife. That's pretty much the cleft nose version very close. I I had a um I had a conversation About this when it first when the story first hit and it was last friday And I was on with um with pat cambell And I had to sort of hit the ground running with this thing because it's like I Took me all of like half an hour to really sort of brush up on what was going on because I knew we would be talking about it um But the more I dig into it I mean here we are about a week later and the more I dig into it the more You know my intuition was correct about this whole thing First thing that came to my mind was this guy off himself Because he was very blue pill. He was very wrapped up in this this beta mindset and he You know, everybody thought of him as this super bad boy kind of alpha I mean, I knew who anthony bourdain was before all this happened But he wasn't somebody who I was like following or I was you know, and you know My life was in any way influenced by But from what I could glean in just that short time. I was just like Okay, I think I got the picture here and the reason I have the picture with this is because his suicide fits a profile Very very familiar with and of course everybody and their mother didn't want to believe That it could uh, it could be Yeah, Ryan Me That they didn't want to believe that Their hero could be You know could be I don't know High status. Yeah. High status. But what it is but they see him as being this alpha male guy They see him as being this uh, this this guy who was I don't know a hero to these guys and I understand also that he was also really wrapped up and kind of this Bad boy culture I think for a while and so you know was if he'd read any of his books I think Carl might have read some of his books. There might be some other guys that have have uh, yeah I think Carl's probably followed his life more than I have but When I became familiar with him I saw that he fit a pattern and he fit a pattern that Most guys who end up killing themselves because they're betas. It's like a beta suicide or what I call a terminal beta Is they get to a point in their lives where they have everything that they want And then The only thing that would make that that life complete is if they had that perfect girl if they had that idealized girl that The blue pill told them that they could have Way back when they were five years old, you know, disney said, you know, you you've got to find your one And I mean these are words that when I was following Anthony Bourdain's, you know, social media and his timeline He's using words like she's my one. I've never been happier. If you look at his instagram He's like, you know hanging on this girl like he's you know, like he he wants mommy, you know and really just Draping over and so when I say that when I say look here. Here's the here's the body English. Here's what's going on with this guy and People hero worship him they love him because I mean it's like who the fuck am I Next to Anthony Bourdain. Well, Anthony Bourdain is dead and I'm going to tell you why I think he's dead And sure enough all of this all like said there's a profile and sure enough all of the What I would Anticipate or I would predict would be the progression from where he went to You know hanging himself Uh pretty much follows. Uh, if anybody is unfamiliar with this Anthony Bourdain Got into a relationship with Asia Argento She's this kind of kind of skanky kind of washed out 42 year old Actress for lack of a better word. She got wrapped up in the Harvey Weinstein story Apparently she was one of his casting couch girls. I don't know exactly what the details on that were But I do know that she was wrapped up in the me too movement. She's real close friends with Rose McGowan If you've seen any of the pictures of her, she's she's tatted up like like a rock star and I wanted to ask too Is this a case of just a blue pill beta? You know going through that process and ultimately killing himself or is it blue pill beta plus bpd chick? Well, that's and then we have this that is that I think is something that we can we can debate I I'm not I'm not convinced. She was bpd. I think she was just wrapped up in this Uh in this culture and in this social circle that promoted, you know Promoted herself, you know, I think she was trying to sort of find the right angle to get into something Uh where she could kick starter her Her career a little bit more than it was. I mean remember this one was 42 years old Anthony Bourdain is 61. She was directing one of the episodes of his uh his cnn show And I can't remember the name of it off the top of my head. It's what was it? Parts unknown or some shit like that Within a week of them starting to date She's directing one of the shows Uh, so that shows you kind of like how Wrapped up this guy was in his ideals that he was going to find this perfect chick Like he was going to complete his life by this now You also have to understand that he had just got out like I think in 2016. He had just got out of his second marriage And was quoted as saying that he was suicidal over that and he just didn't know how to deal with it But apparently that wasn't what was going to push him over the edge But what did push him over the edge was seeing asia argento with this guy named hugo clement Who was a journalist photographer who was kind of following her on her? Her quest to take down harvey Weinstein He actually got into some pretty hot water with harvey Weinstein because he was he was back In her up, uh, but anyways, they're gallivanting around rome, which I guess is where she lives Uh, they're going around if you've seen the pictures of the two of them together The paparazzi caught pictures of her with this guy. He's 28 years old. Remember she's 42 Forte and 61 So this guy is sort of her playing cougar with this guy And i'm sure that the way the guy looks and the problem I have no doubt in my mind that these two were probably fucking at some point Yeah And it's also worth mentioning that limital man got banned from twitter for even suggesting that she might have been bpd Right and then And I had to I know I had when I saw that I kind of had to back up a little bit from from getting too wrapped up in it But uh, but then i'm going on Pat Campbell's show I went on he was covering for the schnitz show live on uh on wednesday And then just yesterday we talked about it again sort of attaching up to where we're at Asia Argento actually went up to the guy who was taking the pictures and said hey, can you not put those pictures out? because Because and you know, she's not saying why but she's saying please don't put those out and now the guy's saying he regretted Uh, you know making those those pictures public um, and so You've gotten this where she's she understands that she knows that if those pictures get back to anthony or dain Bad things are going to happen at the very least. She's not going to be directing, you know parts of known anymore Maybe they break up, but at the very worst. Maybe he kills himself. Maybe he hangs himself And so anyways, that's sort of a that's sort of the the quick version of it There's a lot more that's going on like rose mcgowan is trying to cover for her right now We'll talk about that later on when we talk about the sister hood uber alice She's really trying to cover for her for you know to to make it Seen it while to to put out the idea that she's not responsible for anthony's board board aint's death And why because anthony board aint was very much loved, especially by his cnn family and and by a lot of people Okay, very very very strong personality. So what is rose mcgowan going to do? She is a Asia argentel can't say this So she's got to get her best friend rose mcgowan to come out there and say Uh, it basically come out with an open letter and she's been interviewed by the irish times or some shit like that that She basically throwing out this story that it's not really her fault or they had an open relationship And i'm like they had an open relationship Then why would she go up to the photographer and say please don't publish those pictures? Exactly I don't believe that for a for a for a second and people want to say well anthony board aint he was on chantix. He was on A cessation of smoking drug that makes you suicidal. Okay. I could even take that But the thing is is the catalyst that pushed him over the edge was seeing asia argentel and With with puga clement and i'm sure at that point. He's just like fuck it. I can't win He has everything in his life going really well for him He's even saying this is the best in me prior to all this like three days prior to this shit He's saying i'm i've never been happier in my life. Uh, she completes me all I mean you go and all of her all of his Close friends were saying he is over invested in her He is like this puppy love or he's like love struck by by asia argentel and it's all there But no one wants to believe that no one wants to you know, what's they want to say? Well, he was depressed. We need we need to talk about depression medicine We need to talk about these drugs like chantix. We want to We need to deal with more clinical depression and anything that they could possibly come up with That would steer Public sentiment or steer that popular awareness away from the fact that she was the catalyst here now Is it on him? Yeah, it's on him. He went and killed himself But they don't want to say that they want to say he died by suicide They don't want to sit no longer is it about committing suicide and having a personal responsibility for your own death Now they say he died by suicide as if like it was an accident or like he woke up one morning and oh, there's suicide out time to die Okay, let's go nothing. I can hear about it. They're externalizing it basically. Yeah pretty much So anyways, that's kind of the story in a nutshell right now. I have my take on it, but I'll Let you guys go out. I've been talking about this for over a week right now. All right It's still terrible or are we good? By the way, just before we start do you still have the uh, the the phone numbers I've still yeah, yeah, I've still got the uh, I've got the I think it has something to do with my sound mixer My sound mixer is temperamental I think it's because I'm not a sound expert every once in a while. I'll get the buzz I restart everything but when we start taking phone calls I the buzz probably won't come back But I'll keep it there until of course we have until we start getting phone calls And if it goes hey, why are the weekend always just clever? It's no big deal. Do you have a board there? Do you have like a multi-channel board? Yes, I do. I've got it's just it's just a simple little two-channel two-channel mixer And because I I reroute everything through my computer and by the way, we actually have a phone call that is anonymous So if you guys We're not ready to take those yet. Okay Let's progress with this a little bit more. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay. Very good. Well then uh, all right Well, then I'll just tell them to hold. Yeah, let's get Carl. Carl. You have some more to add in after roll here Carl had a great article on this Yeah, I wrote this story on birdain and you know, I read his book. It was actually one of my favorite books ever um kitchen confidential adventures in the culinary underbelly that goes through kind of this entire Growing up in the culinary industry and it's actually one of the things that made me get into cooking in the first place about 15 There's over 15 years ago now And what was with birdain is he had this bad boy persona his whole Way through life. He was on heroin He banned Billy Joel from every kitchen He was ever the head chef in because he wasn't a big fan of his music. There was always different moments and punk rock Uh in the kitchens and he had that bad boy persona But what you see with him is he's on an upward going scale because he quits heroin He gets better jobs in the industry. He writes his book. He becomes famous. He starts being on shows He gets his own show But his personal life is kind of a train wreck because he keeps Falling for women and then when they leave them him he goes haywire and he's depressive and he thinks of suicide etc and What I think the problem is is he's been given this map where if he does A b c and d then he'll get the perfect blue kill outcome And when he doesn't that sends him into a spiral and he blames himself for not being able to execute the map He thinks will always work But if you're trying to get from uh montreal to i don't know south dakota with a map of africa You're not really going to make much headway And it's the same thing here. He's been given a bad map He fails to get his his outcome over and over again and in the end He loses hope that the outcome is even there Because if he walks through a desert and he's hoping to find an oasis with some water in it Every time he thinks he's found the oasis he finds out it's a mirage And he has to keep going and he keeps going and he keeps going and sooner or later. He just stops believing there's an oasis for Now carl, do you have an opinion on the woman having bpd or not? Because I know you wrote an article once or you mentioned this in your blog once it was very interesting That men getting oneitis Well, it's a lot of issues. That's the whole thing on your blog you talk about but It's like bpd woman and cluster b woman in general with that set of personality disorders When a man has oneitis they exacerbate and amplify it So they're they double down on it whereas normal women might not do that at least not as readily Well the thing with bpd women is they're kind of a blank canvas so to speak they They will adapt themselves to your personality and they will become the perfect woman for you like they're playing Yep, bpd or not Now most women do it but bpd women are much better at it There's a reason why they're so common among actresses Because they have no real sense of self They they find a new sense of self for every person It's the same thing. I've said with the girls that go from getting gangbanged in college to being trad con christian girls when they're 30 It's the exact same progression. They just change themselves to better fit the profile of the target They're trying to attract but they take it's like a cartoon level. Like it's absurd basically Yeah, it's uh well Go to her when you go to your high school reunion Just oh everyone there will have changed to some extent some will have changed very little But some people will have made complete transformations And if someone's making like a complete transformation every time they change their job or move to a new city And everyone they knew before that point Are not in their life anymore then that's problem. That's a good sign But uh, I don't have a strong opinion on a sargento in particular, but I think the girl has more red flags in a Stalinist parade Yeah Donovan, uh, did you have any thoughts on this issue the anthony bredin suicide? By the way, I don't think she is bpd Honestly, I think she's probably a little bit too more I think she's probably a little bit more manipulative and probably a little bit too Calculating to really qualify as a bpd, but that's just my take. So kind of like a daddy issues thing just damage Well, she's she knows where a bread can be buttered on that's what I'm saying is a 42 years old anthony bourdain It seems like a you like well fuck my trip, you know, my ship finally came in so Okay, I would say histrionic personality disorder mixed with the high dose of narcissism. Yeah, that too All right, there you go Yeah, my uh, my opinion on this is um I mean, I'm not you know, I'm not like as scholarly as somebody like roller or or carl but again, um, The one the one thing and I forget who said this is that anthony bourdain said something about a woman Something to the effect of you complete me and that's that's the problem Anytime anytime you rely on a woman to complete you when they're not around anymore The whole system falls apart Women don't want to complete a man women women women are more than happy to ride the train with you They're more than happy to To to to be your first mate. They're more than happy to be to to be a passenger on your train But they don't want to be the missing piece And when a woman knows that she completes you she automatically loses attraction for you because she thinks to herself Well, wait a minute This guy is a complete unless unless he has me women inherently know that they are extraordinarily flawed creatures So if a man doesn't have the knowledge or the foresight to understand that a woman as flawed as a female Is the missing link in his life that can complete this whole male? She it's almost it's almost like a self-fulfilling prophecy. She knows she's not shit She could say what she wants, but she knows she's not shit. So now here's this here's this anthony bourdain celebrity rich Etc. Etc wait I complete anthony bourdain up that this guy was a whole person. Nah, fuck that that again It and jerry maguire He was played by tom or was talker. Yeah played by tom cruise Yeah, he's like you complete me. Everyone's like, oh, everyone's swinging. No never ever say to a woman You complete me because that's what she wants to hear. Yes. They find it Listen, they find it sweet, right? But then they find it disgusting. This is what people say when they're in the friend zone That's that's that's roissy like 101 is what that is straight out of 16 commandments of poo because like You women do not want to be the complete the the last piece of the puzzle for that guy They I mean, what was it? Make your mission and not your woman your you know your mission, you know Make your make your passion your mission make your you know your focus That's why I was talking about you know mental point of origin and you're right when someone like age our agento comes along and anthony bourdain is supposed to be this bad ass And then suddenly he's acting like, you know, I mean if you just look at the pictures and you look at the Body language he's hanging on her and everything and it's so it's like i'm sure she probably thought Well, I can get into this and then realizing that he's really over investing himself and really, you know, I mean this is classic beta blue pill idealism about women and He never was able to In all his years and from what you know, I was reading from carl's carl's article in all these years He never really made that that transition. He never unplugged and this is what happens when guys don't unplug They come suicidal He I'm one of the reasons I wanted to get this out there but one of the reasons that I said that he fits this profile was because And if anybody has ever read any of my books or they've read any of my my uh, my blog posts You you probably already know that my uh, my brother-in-law committed suicide by a hanging Why because his because my sister-in-law decided that after 20 years of marriage this good christian was going to leave him and Going to hook up with a millionaire. You know this basically it was what she did and she decided that that You know all of the stuff that he had built up to that point like all this relational equity that I talk about all the time Uh, he built his life around that and he literally could not live without her You know, I can't live without you. Yeah, that's literal that that is exactly what those guys mean They will kill themselves if you think you take it away and the guy had gone in and done the right thing He lived by this old school um This old school social contract where you know if he does things right and if he builds a home and if he puts all this By the rules does everything That It will be appreciated. It will be reciprocated and it will be rewarded. You know eventually and At 40 years old she decides she wants to divorce him and take all of that equity away And say no really all that stuff that you've been doing for most of your life It's pretty much worthless and you're gonna have to go live on your own. That's what I call getting zeroed out He was zeroed out. I don't think anthony bordain was zeroed out Because he had all this going for him. That's why everybody is constantly telling well He had everything. He was rich. He could fuck any chick he wanted to he's anthony bordain Doesn't matter. He's 61 years old. He's making a ton of money. He's you know going to all you're traveling all over the world Why on earth would this guy kill himself? Why because he is trapped in this blue pill mindset and if you take that away if you take His his oneitis his soulmate away from him All that stuff that you think it like anybody would want is meaningless to him because that idealism is all that matters Because you're taking away his you're basically taking away his will to live And I think also just really quickly here donovan I think one of the things that you were saying is that how women Want a guy to just get it and I've written about the anybody's read my stuff. You already understand They want a guy who just understands this shit and understands it naturally and doesn't have to be told Here's how you'd be a man. They want you to understand masculinity. They want you to be your own self Interested mental point of origin. They're expecting that and then when that doesn't come Especially for a man who is mature and has all this shit going for him and The guy like defaults back to his kind of blue pill mindset. Yeah, I can understand why that would be pretty You know upsetting or you know, it's like you're selling one thing and you're getting another and you know She's probably it was expecting this guy to be this badass And he turns out to be his mama's boy, you know, and she's the mama To clarify too, if a man doesn't get it naturally, it's basically implausible that a man will get it any other way, right? Unless he seeks it out unless he looks it out, you know, that's the first thing I ask guys It's like when no no, I mean he can but from her perspective it just doesn't make sense That's why they he has like he has to get it get it get it. Well, he has to understand especially She's 42 and he's 61. She's expecting him to get it I mean, there's a there's a I talk about this in amuse mastery. He should just know Yeah, women. Yeah, women expect you to have a certain degree of competency and mastery Particularly at different different times in your life. Like if I'm if I'm looking at at uh, George Bruno right now I expect him to have some knowledge, you know, I expect him to have some, you know He should have his shit together and he should be able to To convey some sort of wisdom or something. You know, what I call amuse mastery Now that's that's just me now if a woman is seeing an older guy who's looks like like the most interesting man in the world You know, she expects that guy to have a certain degree of competency mastery over his own conditions and mastery over his own life When you don't get that when the when the bad ass turns out to be the mama's boy That's very disappointing. Especially when women invest, well, you know, HR agenda is probably just this side of Menopause right now, but she still has to invest in herself to You know to get ahead and she knows that and she's probably been playing that game for a while I mean if she was on Harvey Weinstein's casting couch, she knows how the shit works And she's expecting something that he wasn't Well here, Rolo does segue off of that and this is something that kind of bothers me I noticed a lot of the chatter about this is just about vilifying Asia I'm gonna put on I'm gonna put this all on anthony because this is what the viewers Need for their value. What the fuck did you think she was gonna do? Well, look at it like let's put aside the bipolar all that stuff. I'm not a doctor. I'm not about to I'm not about to diagnose that You got a chick that during that Harvey Weinstein thing When her white knight went and started fighting the good fight she backed off and let him hang So he do rate and that's like a general girl thing. They're worried about their reputation. She wasn't worried about Getting vengeance for her sexual assault. She was just worried about making sure next tomorrow. She had a paycheck So and I guarantee you and this is something that I think all the viewers that are looking to vilify Asia should keep in mind I guarantee you at some point in their relationship He said something to the effect of If you left me, I don't know what I would do and it's just like donovan was saying before How girls don't like that pressure and I have a feeling That girls either subconsciously or consciously will Sabotage things on purpose just to absolve themselves of that kind of blame So when she did this and it's so if you want to give a charitable reason for Paparazzi, please don't film this is because she knew he's fucking on the edge and she doesn't want him killing himself Or it's because she was dicking the guy and she doesn't want anybody to know either way What did he think was gonna happen? You got a chick that's all tattooed up. He's given her the world She's already got everything from them. So what need does she have to perform any better than she is right now? That's like business 101 I think possibly she fit his ideal She she was his ideal at that point It was just a shell. I guarantee you any girl that was there would have been his ideal course There you go. There you go. Isn't it a Nietzsche thing where he says that uh In our head is like the greatest Madonna ever and that all real world women can do is just disappoint us pretty much that's Jesus that listen any any man real quick any man who has an ideal that's a man, you know, who is stuck in the blue pill world That's that's a man, you know, has not who has not discovered red pill truth There's no such thing as an ideal Thank you and that is why I get so pissed off when I hit you hear these guys talking about their quality woman A quality woman is no no, that's your ideal and that's what you're thinking You know every every divorced guy when he was getting married He thought that the girl he was marrying was a quality woman and then when they got married It's like that fucking listen A woman is the only as quality as you train her to be there's that listen a woman Who's a quality woman is a quality woman because her man demands such that's it women don't come ready man like that Yeah I was gonna say I will agree with you right that's one of the reasons in the chat That's one of the reasons. I don't want his mother fucking holiday the fake The the fake red pill woman godness join us Well, I was just gonna really really quick you're right I agree with you and I don't think that there should be quite so much hate thrown at asia Okay, I think that's probably one of the reasons why rose mcgallon was trying to cover for her for so long And still is trying to cover her because it really yeah, yeah, I think you're right and that's one of the reasons I said I don't think she's dpd. I don't think that there's anything You know, I mean she's just doing what a woman like her is going to do I don't feel she wants to no longer feel bad and so people say thanks so she doesn't feel bad trust me I know bpd that ain't bp All right, let's uh, let's move on to the next round of topic here. Here we go The sisterhood uber alice Uh We wanted to spin this off of the uh ordain issue or was this something separate we wanted to get into you guys talking about Well, I was just gonna throw this out there is that um When rose mcgallon is covering for ajar agento and she's out there saying it's not her fault She didn't do it. I mean it's like she you know, she's not like she wasn't the reason he killed himself It was depression. It was chantix. It was xyz whatever That I think is the the readiness with which women will back each other up when it comes to shit like this I mean if if she wasn't the problem, then why are you Saying there is no problem. You know, why are you putting out open letters? Why are you uh putting um Why the why the intensity for yeah, why the I mean, you know, the the woman doth protest too much, right? And it seems to me that really this is sort of an example of another dynamic that I was actually writing about this week um That when it comes to things like that and I've said this before is and people get this confused like when I use the term The sisterhood uber alice they think oh, you're what do you think they're nazis? No, I don't think they're nazis I'm using that in the latin form meaning that sisterhood above all else above everything and when it comes to women Women have evolved to be a lot more collectivist than men are I mean when you look at the tests that they do And you look at the resources that's happened to put women have a nest egg of money To distribute they try to do it as evenly as they can men on the other hand go and they distribute money or resources On a by merit basis where like you did a better job You get more money than joe over here that kind of thing. There's that mentality That is an evolved part of when we were You know hunter-gatherers in the forest whatever men had to rely on each other and had to base each other's Uh understanding of the other guy based on his status and what he could do Whereas women are at home and they're at you know gathering at the tribal You know campfire or whatever and they have to learn to be more communicative with each other They have to learn to be more collectivist and so really I mean I can go on and on about this But there's I've written a blog post called band of brothers where I go into this but Women tend to be more collectivist men tend to be more individualists and they base things on merit women are much more You know so for lack of a better term socialist they have their psyches at lean toward socialism And so what I'm saying is like I've said this before is like the sisterhood Is above it's at a state that is above A conviction it's above religion. It's above political ideology. It's above all this shit That's why when I I see these these chicks on uh on the men's rights movement, you know They with for whatever reason they decided that they want to ally With with feminists to get their message out great But don't think for a second that they're not going to band together when they have to and and take you on I've always said this I said, you know, if you put rate if you put rachel mad out and you put gretchen carlson On the same t show and you ask them to discuss politics They'll fight like cats and dogs But if you put them both on the same show and then roll it to mossy rocks in there and he starts talking about red pill stuff Oh, yeah, they'll team up on you Who's good will you tell girls who cares, you know, and they don't care about uh, liberal or conservative or any of this other stuff It's the sixth the sisterhood and really I think that that goes back to Uh, this collectivist evolution that women have evolved into their well with their mental firmware and then also into um understanding how like women collect together in peer clutches And the worst thing in the world is for a woman to be thrown out of that or to be ostracized from that peer clutch But that is that is their collective unit whereas men it's not that we don't put teams together We do but we base our understanding and our our value system or dominance hierarchy is based on merit And it's based on what you can do Will men band together maybe but I don't see Men putting together online forums so they can sell positive pregnancy tests So so women can get their boyfriends to commit and they're either collaborating They're colluding to further hypergamy. They're that to colluding to I mean, especially in this day and age I've just been sort of studying this recently and again They'll they will come to the defense of another woman no matter what a matter of political ideology If it's based on she's being attacked because I think she's being attacked because she's a woman Women will collect together the sisterhood uber alice and team vagina man every time And listen, there are no listen. There are no exceptions I mean it doesn't matter It doesn't matter if it's a black and white issue or a gray issue If a woman feels like listen, that was the perfect dichotomy gretchen carlson and rachel maddow Um, I mean they are I mean they are diametrically opposed politically But if roll, it's a massy jumps in there and starts talking about the real feminine imperative the real Uh feminist imperative. Oh, yeah, all of a sudden now rollo is the bad guy Yeah, so basically rollo, you're saying that men will team up but nowhere near at this speed or readiness the woman will Given we're gonna feel like a goal the reason for that is dominance hierarchy So the the reason for that is we are used to competing against one another for access to pussy Okay, whereas women they're the ones who are being the I mean usually they're the ones that are being the filters of Who's going to get it and who's not going to get it? So yeah, will men fight each other? Will men throw each other under the bus? I mean, I mean we've already we've talked about white knights for forever Yeah, I mean if I go and I tell you about what there's there's no women white knights There's no one that's gonna go. Oh, that's terrible. You shouldn't trick him into committing to you And the reason why the reason why women don't are not white knights is because they can get dick regardless Men white knight because they want the pussy. That's the only reason but women have to do this Soon as a woman walks out the door. She's hitting the face with dicks as soon as she walks out the door What reason does she have to be a white knight? And here's another thing as men were taught to find the right woman, right? Women are taught to choose the right woman. That tells you all you need to know about the availability You mean choose the right man or choose the right one 40 and 40 and slipped there. I don't know. I you know how it is. Yeah Once women get you know on the wrong side of 35. Fuck it. I'm done with man. I'm gonna start messing with women Yeah, you do that sweetheart It's fine battles too, right A lot of these guys are picking this a lot of these guys for the sister hood uber ally thing They're picking the stupidest fucking battles like it's just some random argument And then the girls will pile up on them and they got to realize at the end of the day You're not going to solve anything. So all you're doing is building uh Negative equity I guess between them You're going to have those fights to have the fight where it counts and when it counts I guarantee you a win. It's like a use the sun sue shit That's the whole reason that we have it there and everybody talks about dark triad and Machiavellian and use pictures from the prince on their AV for their twitter profile. Well, this is the fucking time where you got to put up or shut up Rachel Maddow and whoever else Tucker Carlson's wife is teaming up on you calling you a dirty male just have a laugh Put down the mic and fight the battle another day. Whatever. Well, you know, especially the thing going on with the miss america pageant I mean you got uh Like what the fuck dude no swimsuits Carlson is supposed to be this conservative, right? I mean look how long she's uh, we got some major feedback. You guys I'm here. I'm here in it too Is it coming? I don't have any done of a mute. Let me let's see what happens. I'm gonna mute first since I'm the uh Was the culvert last day my man Nope, we still got it. No. Ah good. Uh, maybe george George can you hear us? Yeah, it's george. It's george. Yeah, jc frigid. I'll tell you what when we start taking phone calls Why don't you call in right call in no, uh, no, no, uh, no e-thugging in here What did you call in and debate with us since since you think i'm oversimplifying? Why don't you give us a call here in a few minutes whenever anthony opens up the phone lines and we can talk about I'll do that soon. We have uh, yeah What they're gonna. I mean, okay, how you're oh, are you oversimplifying? I'm not oversimplifying. He doesn't think about bc frigid. Yeah, whatever. He wants to be he wants to be afforded. Okay, cool Listen call up call up. Don't be an e-thug. Call it Well, I think you would bring this back to the fun. I thought I'd introduce some statistics into this and some research references And there are two very interesting things. I saw while I was reading this weekend One is do you know how you stop europe's immigration problems? You take away women's right to vote because the women the people of both Overwhelmingly for open borders and sharing resources Regardless of merit are women Okay, I'll buy that and and and another funny thing was A harvard study from years back where they went through is he who actually slut shames men or women women? Overwhelmingly yeah, exactly because women if they can raise the price of sex they can get more from a man For the sex if men slut shame they're making sex more expensive for themselves So there's no incentive there and I think this plays into the whole sisterhood narrative because they know if One woman gets called on something then soon they're all going to be called on something and women spend their entire lives Trying to avoid being held accountable for all the shit they do And men spend their entire lives trying to get credit for what good they do It's just one of those factors Yeah, well spicy spicy spicy I I thought it was interesting that uh even rose mcgallon in the pictures that I mean it's interesting by Anthony bordain is dead, you know, and they're they're gallivanting around france or whatever with these instagrams and they're doing selfies and it's it's like The other one of the reasons I wanted to talk about this because they're actually using the term sisterhood Like they're saying oh the sisterhood. We're banding together. We're we're here with our we're supporting our girl You know our girl asia because you know, she was going out with anthony bordain before he's dead and It's like they're using it. They're still using it as an opportunity for attention Well, I think that's important point role that they're using that word because I think women have an awareness of the sisterhood Whereas men are dis oblivious to it like growing up it It would not have occurred to me that women stick together like this at this scale And I think most guys who are normal or blue pill or whatever you want to call it There's completely unaware of that the women aren't they know it And they're also aware of everything else. Well, let's stab each other in the back Dude women hate each other because they know each other right like they say already breeds contempt And and again this this goes back to well, why does the mother-in-law never get along with the wife? Well, because she knows women she knows the wife Yep, george, did you want to hop in uh, I'm gonna should get audio issues still That's can you hear me now? Yeah, you're good. You're good. Actually Yeah, my thoughts are this is that uh, I'll never forget Talking to a minister after my marriage ended and he posed a question to me That I really It it was like a virus in my body and it spread the questions spread through my body And he said I want you to explore the role that you played In the demise of your marriage now. I was pissed at him I could have punched him right in the jaw at that at that moment because I got left And really majorly screwed over it was It it's I told you the story. It's gonna be one of your top 10 Fuck you stories custody was involved children doing brother. Tell it. Yeah. Yeah, so So what happened was I spent a long time blaming her But that virus was spreading inside my body that said Explore as to The role that you contributed to the demise of your marriage and I thought okay. Okay. Okay. Okay Take ownership take ownership And in business what I do is I follow things to their logical conclusions I always ask people and what is the benefit of that they give me an answer And then what is the benefit of that you follow things as far as they possibly can go And What that led me to do was to take extreme ownership of everything in my life and I basically picked The wrong woman And she she had an expiration date and I think with a lot of women It's like right here if you look like behind their ear. It's like right about there The expiration like You see that when they when you cut their hair is it is it always you get a good look at it? It's it's you got to be real careful because um, I heard they're getting a tattoo I heard they're getting tattoos to cover them up now Exactly. Exactly. So if a woman gets a tattoo in her neck, that's just basically to cover up her expiration date So So the The concept of extreme ownership says that you take ownership for everything now You remember the movie donnie darko where he's there in an airplane Breaks up in midair and an engine falls on him goes through his house and it kills him at the end of the movie Okay. Now, how can you take ownership for something as spurious as that? Okay I challenge every man to take full responsibility even the ones Who obviously did not play a role in it When you adopt the attitude of extreme ownership, you will find and I searched for 10 years. I've been divorced for 15 I searched for 10 years and could not understand why My marriage ended had no answers Which taught me to be comfortable with uncertainty that it made me tougher in life but The ownership is Maybe I shouldn't have been there in the first place Maybe I chose the wrong woman. What was the method I you know Did I choose her because I was sick of someone else that I jump in the sack with someone too quick And engage emotions too quickly and then started operating on an emotional level instead of an intellectual level Every man can benefit from the concept of extreme ownership whether it comes to his heart or his biceps His work his relationships with men. I feel that um There's zero downside to it zero and pursue extreme ownership at all costs period Period no more victim. No more. You're done. You're done blaming um In the psych world we called it blame shifting And I would stop people because I spent 22 years as a therapist I would stop people mid-sentence the minute I would And I would say blame shifting Blame shifting and shut them down Now reword that without you blaming someone else and without you portraying yourself as a victim And I'll tell you what Lives get turned around when you take responsibility and extreme ownership for everything everything all right Everyone hop into the next topic guys. Yeah, I was gonna say real quick Um, I talk about my marriage every once in a while and this is this is the bottom line Yeah, I can talk about all my wife was this not any other but here's why my wife wasn't fucking me because I was lazy And I was a fat ass and I was weak-minded Like you can you can you can blame everything around you if you want But just like george said until you and I know this sounds sort of like psych 101 saturday morning special here But it's the truth until you own your baggage until you make the commitment to change yourself People aren't going to treat you any differently You can't be a you can't be a fat ass weak-minded individual and expect to attract women and other people just doesn't work that way Donovan I've always said that the the one thing that all not you specifically but the one thing that all your Failed relationships have in common is what? You you are the common denominator. Absolutely. I am the common denominator. So I had to change the The what I would say the nectar in order to attract a different type of bird And I think that's that that's the the journey that men need to go on now That's now that said the reason that we can do that the reason we can take ownership of our baggage and our failures And relationships is because we're men and if you expect a woman to ever say to herself or anyone else You know what the reason why our relationship was fucked up is because I got involved in some fucked up shit I was a bad girlfriend. I was a bad wife said no woman ever I've never ever ever in my life and and again This is this is a lot of men too, but but as far as red pill women are concerned I don't care how what color pill you are never heard a woman say you know what? I was in a good relationship But the reason the relationship ended is because I was a bad girlfriend or wife never you'll never hear it Ever they're not just they're not discussing this right now on the red girl group. No, there is no red There is You know what they're discussing in the red girl group Which listen, do you know what they're discussing in the red girl group is which which three guys from the fucking red pill From from the red man group. They wanted they wanted to run a train on that's what they're talking about How does the girl run a train? Hey, I was gonna still the guys run the train I don't know don't know that just real quick if you're what you're touching on is why I Say that women evolved into a into having a mental firmware that predisposes them to solipsism Okay, there is no I mean whenever I talk to guys mean even if you go on you look at like the uh the 21 convention Everyone every guy there is there because they're interested in making a positive change in their life They're interested in becoming a better person. They're interested in self-improvement We always talk about self-improvement self-improvement and we can get sort of like on this ra ra pep rally train About self-improvement the fact remains. It's mostly men that are doing that There's no there's no women that are getting together and creating the 21 convention for women. No, that's all right There's no there's no groups. There's no red pill Or they're right about there's no groups like we have on reddit where there's no right red pill For for women that they started that they said they said, you know what we should really look inside of ourselves and and take You know it was drastic, you know crazy ownership of all the shit that we've done. There's nothing like that It's the pussy hats. That's what it is. That's the closest thing to women getting together is agreeing on On toxic garbage and putting on pussy hats. Well, it's it's what it's it's replaced with the sisterhood It's replaced with this network I mean they always say like when uh when a couple divorces the guy is like left completely alone And the woman has like this huge network of social support and girlfriends and goes on I mean, especially now in social the age of social media. She goes on and everybody's like, it's okay girl No, you didn't do anything wrong. Fuck you. You don't have to let's go out and have a divorce party Let's go drink some box for box wine You wonder why there's no such thing as as as women's self-improvement groups is because women don't have to improve Women can dude women can be as insufferable as humanly possible and they still get the world Men we can't do that like we can't like we don't have the law and that's fine I don't want that luxury again embrace the burden of masculine Or embrace the burden of performance. That's the masculine conundrum But women don't have to and women aren't improving because they don't have to because not enough men are Not enough men are holding them accountable. Not enough men are demanding that for women Hey guys, let's uh shifting and taking live questions I'm turning it on here. Hopefully we don't I have Yeah, I gotta leave so Jeff gotta do one gentlemen. Thank you very much. All right. I'll see you soon. Talk soon man. Thanks All right So everyone else watching live on youtube the if you check the live chat on youtube You will see the phone number You can call that and you actually talk to donovan patch through live on the show ask your question For those of you who can't see the chat the number is plus one if you're outside the united states And then the area codes nine one four Two oh five five three five six Again, that's nine one four two oh five five three five six You can call that in and we'll take you on there Yeah, I've actually got a caller now. I'm going to bring him in it's it's I'm glad we had george. Oh, that was good. I was that was I mean I like you know, I wish we had him longer, but that would that was good Yeah Okay caller, um, you're on the air you're on the air Are we gonna get that echo? No, no, but we know it works because my girlfriend called in and but Yeah, we tested it a little while ago. Yeah, we tested it and it's all good But I guess whoever this one one one is is just a prank caller. All right. All right. Well, fuck her Fuck you. Oh, man. We give you this wonderful access. We give you this chance to actually talk What he actually just made a comment here about about women's Oh, is why not says well self-help books are quite popular with chicks donovan. Well, check this out the old listen There are no dating gurus for women right and men go to boot camps and how to be attractive check this out If if women want to know how to date smarter and this and that and the other dude Here's a cookbook and a treadmill. That'll be 1995. You're welcome. That's all you Have a girl from new york who I keep in touch with you It kind of fills me in with a lot of stuff from like the blue pill what they're doing And I guess in new york, they do have this and it's literally like you said just like, you know Stop being so unpleasant and let the guy do his thing and be feminine lose some weight And apparently those coaches are raking in cash Of course they are so we had a we had a commenter just point out that one of our alumni speakers actually Matthew Hussey is a dating coach for women and he he is very popular his youtube channel has I think like 800,000 subscribers or something like that And Wow, yeah, he used to teach he used to coach men as well and do like business coaching But he does like I think 90% coaching for women now And women love it. They eat it up You guys now that's the whole fucking thing we can get into you guys can look at it on youtube He's tons of videos. Yeah, we we talked about that on riches show once so we're talking about the the guys who I mean The guys who go purple pill, but then they kind of go full I'm a blue pill, but more towards women like if you go and you look at like Who is it? Evan Mark Katz is a is a great example if you go and you look at his uh his blog demographics You can look at his alexa scores. It's like it's his entire audience is nothing To get somebody oh Hang on All right, we're gonna try and bring a caller on uh area dude 1111. I guess it's private Okay, come on. All right. You're on the air with the red men group Hey, how's it going? Can you hear me this time? Yes, we can hear you school Hey, this is Jonathan from modern life dating rollo told me to call in today. I just wanted to say what's up Thanks for calling in yeah, thanks brother. Yeah, thanks for letting us know this works Are you uh, are you in the united states? I think you were in japan last time I talked to you Yeah Tokyo I'm making makes America great again over here Fuck yeah, fuck. Yeah good time. Dude running through those uh asian bitches. I just wanted to Yeah, I just um after I lived over here in hawaii for three years and I went back to the states I left the states in 2012 and then I went back to 2016 and then I just couldn't believe how How bad everything got in that course of four years like from 2012 to 2016 like I was meeting 19-year-old girls who were like 200 pounds and just Stuff that was out I couldn't believe it. That's in Orlando, Florida. That's where I was staying Um, but I just wanted to bring up something real quick. I wanted to let everybody know that I think that this movement is growing And it's kind of spreading and it's becoming more of like a truth movement If you focus right now, um, there's a huge group of online people Who are really pissed off with what happened with the last jedi the star wars movie. Yep It matched Luke And how they the whole movie was basically shitting on men And there's been a huge backlash and a huge financial backlash and on top of that disney taking it So I just think I just wanted to tell everybody that I think that you know, there is a global awakening happening slowly Thank god to the internet and that I think we you know Just keep the good fight for the guys that who may be feeling like the future is dark and whatnot because I think that These next couple of years. I mean, I think Trump is gonna win two presidencies and I think he's an overall good masculine role model for the world Yeah, um I think overall it's gonna it's gonna, you know, push the pendulum back from the last eight years of obama and all that Liberal nonsense. We saw that really fucked up the united states personally my opinion Cool. Yeah, there's a lot of fighting to be done, man. I mean shit every day So you're saying you're saying that opinion was like in japan. Was that the people over there that they said that the last jedi Was like really emasculated as like so it's cross The border now kind of thing where they kind of see the influence of sjw's and feminism and everything within that movie Absolutely massive failure in in china And then in addition to that my friend I have a couple friends in korea and I talked over there once in a while And in korea on korean online forums, the men are talking about how chaplain kennedy Ruined star wars with feminism and how there's a huge wow fan backlash And financial backlash. So, you know, I see things from multiple realms being on the other side of the world, but You know Ultimately, I'll say that we are fighting the good fight. I think we're I think just because we're on the side of truth And people are starting to realize like corporations and governments are in my opinion I think feminism is just all a money grab. That's all it is you think I think you both starting to wake up As far as the star wars thing is concerned You already knew the fix was in as soon as you saw the cover as soon as you saw the last jedi was a woman You already knew what it was going to be Here's the thing that kind of People asking they don't Now what's the average star wars fan? They call it with the hardcore fans. They say 35 to 45 usually has a beard and mouth shape 20 30 pounds overweight So i'm not gonna i'm not gonna denigrate star wars fans, whatever But you got to remember at the same time, they're mad because their masculinity is not being packaged to them and given to them for $11 a ticket I think that's a sadder state for men than it is that luk wasn't an ass kicking alpha Well, I thought it was interesting too the rola pointed out that the new the newest star wars movie solo It's almost like disney potentially crashed and burned it on purpose I think they did that on purpose to sort of make it I mean really I think that that whole Just the way it was written and everything I finally got to see it I didn't think it was all that bad a movie to be honest with you, but they didn't really They didn't write hand solo. They didn't I mean we're talking about a guy who was really the last alpha male of the The 80s, you know, like He was either doing hand solo or harris afford was doing indiana jones You're looking at a guy who had a very strong masculine conventionally masculine appeal to him And I don't think that there are any writers today That know how to write that character anymore the scoundrel. Yeah, I think yeah the scoundrel The yeah, it was guardians of the galaxy. I think yeah, and even that they pushed out on the last movie, you know It's like, oh my daddy, you know daddy issues and shit like it's bullshit It's like I don't think that anybody knows how to write like that and I always tell guys up and coming writers Because I'm planning on on writing some fiction here as soon as I'm done with book four But it's going to be red pill fiction It's going to be writing those characters because I'll tell you right now that If I go and I write something like a hand solo character and I write that, you know, this classic This classic, you know mythological plot that goes along with that that, you know Jordan Peterson talks about all the time, you know, these archetypal stories and stuff like that If you can go and you can write that you will seem like a fucking genius today because nobody does that Nobody knows how to do it anymore and solo was a good example of that. All right. We got three callers in the queue airy code nine one oh three five two and airy code five eight five We're gonna get to you guys in just a second airy code nine one zero. You are on the air that is north carolina Oh boy Here we go Nine one oh you're on the line. I have a bad feeling about this I'll relax donovan. I knew it. I fucking I knew it as soon as I saw nine one. Oh, here we go. That's kitten. That's kitten Hey Hello, what up? I can't really hear exactly what you can you guys hear me? Yep. Yeah I couldn't really hear what you were just talking about but I wanted to touch on um What we were talking about a minute ago how women Self-help communities or help each other out for this menu and I mean I've thought about this a lot and I think part of it is because if you look at those female self-help it's all empowerment and um confidence building so Attribute all of their personal pain To either some sort of outside force like being oppressed by men or being oppressed by the patriarchy Or being harmed and being a victim of some outside power Or to just not feeling good about themselves because our feelings and our emotions are our reality So if we Sweetheart get to the point get to the point. We got other callers here. Come on. Okay. Okay. So So we also see men as the cause and solution of our problems So to actually realize that our behavior and our actions are Creating the physical pain like the physical and emotional pain in our lives Creates a huge amount of cognitive dissonance also because everything that we're told by feminism and by society by the group of society is that we are flawless and we can do no wrong and that That we're fine and that if you follow the guidance of feminism We will not have pain so it takes a lot of pain In a woman's life can actually realize that it's the message of feminism that might be leading them astray and personal consequences They're destroying your life. They love kindly letting you fail. I'll give you that And it's all about coping with us A lot of it's about coping so I'll go with you on that one. They don't want to actually fix things They just want to feel better. It's a coping strategy, which sounds a lot like the beta male star wars thing But I'll pass it over to carl. I know he's itching for this one Carl Well, you know if you really want the exemplification of everything kitten just talked about Go on instagram or ideally on tumblr and look up the hashtag body positivity or health at every size Right, there you go. That's the entire hypo agency thing it's essentially a gathering of mostly women and a couple of Well, I would say men but it's not easy to do quotation marks without a camera Sitting around complaining that it's not their fault that they're Overweight and in this case and using the way overweight in the way that the u.s. Has a slight deficit Because it's not my no, it's not my fault on the side all those guys wanted to fuck me first right like that Well, it's dying of culture. It's pc os. It's Hypothyroidism hyperthyroidism everything except the fact that hey, maybe I shouldn't be drinking a 7000 calorie mocha latte for breakfast All right. I'm here now. It's thick with four C's Yeah, well, I was gonna I was gonna say is that in some ways. I guess I kind of understand what she's saying because it's I think that they're you know, we always talk about the blue pill and blue pill conditioning for guys Okay, there is a form of conditioning for women I don't we want to call that blue pill conditioning for women or whatever But that conditioning is is this femme powerment narrative that we teach our little girls from the time they're fucking four years old To get into you know Disney frozen or you know, they get into this this little girl superpowered princess Uh, this uh, what do they call the characters of mary jane, right? They would they say about uh, Ray from from star wars like she's a mary a mary sue a mary sue mary sue character and She's just magically because she has this magical vagina that she's she can suddenly use a lightsaber and she can do all this That's one example of a lot of stuff But that is being taught to girls that they can do anything. Well, I mean even if you look at the The miss america pageant. It's no longer a pageant anymore. It's a competition Well, it's competition of what what woman can be the most confident and can be the most, you know Can share the the empowerment message the best And really what it comes down to is these guys or these these women who have been sort of conditioned and taught by uh a by Well feminism for first of all but like to to prioritize the feminine imperative above all else and to expect That men will do the same and to expect that men will be the supportive guys that they you know Who also agree with them and to expect that this is the way this is like this utopian society That we can you know men are going to they're going to have your backs and they're there for your support rather than the other way around and so when I talk about how You know genetically evolutionary wise how How women are different from men and that put us together and we make pretty good compliments of each other compliments of each other Both psychologically and physiologically we can we do this but what feminism is teaching women right now Is that they don't need men literally? They don't need that they need all they need is themselves and to think positive thoughts and they're their own source of confidence And they are this one autonomous Thing that can that is self-fulfilling and self-satisfying It's self-satisfying and it doesn't matter. You don't need a man in your life if you want one great That's great because men are superfluous. They teach this idea that women are these autonomous Creatures and that men are just these these you know support You know either they're there to support you provisionally or there's there to fuck you okay That that's what men get to do to clarify for viewers who are not as familiar with your work This is a collection of lies similar to the blue pill that fucks up women's lives It's propaganda basically Women isn't one it's one big lie man like I think that's all I think I think that's pretty clear And then you're you're fighting against also women's innate nature, which is solipsistic Okay, if you go and you teach women that it's all about them and they're already solipsistic to begin with It literally is all about them and that's you know And so again, and then you take that into a larger social narrative and it becomes the sisterhood over else We are Yeah, yeah, we're going to we're going to drop cutting off No, you got to go we got to go to the next call. Here we go You are on live with the red man group. What you got? Hey guys, I want to thank you guys for all the work that you guys put into this The red man group Over the summer I was doing some self improvement in relationships and trying to become a better man. I'm 51 years old now and October 1st while you guys were up here 10th anniversary 21 convention. I was in new york city with my girl We had a great time four days About two weeks later. We had a big disagreement and um, actually it was over harvey weint I mean she was complaining about him And I said well, let me see what happens to this and um The disagreement went on and on and I suddenly said to her I said, um, do you want me to move out? So at that moment there an eight-year relationship came to an end. We were engaged. Wow and I started doing a little studying and Ran across the 21 convention and andrew the private man his talk Nice And um, it really set me aback because he's my age and I'm thinking wow He's starting his life over and trying to improve himself and I kind of connected with him Uh on on many levels because we were the same You know it wasn't about wine scene right here that he he died being gone right a bit later from there. So I um started looking up and he had no idea what any of these terms meant and I began my journey from blue pill to red Pill and uh, I thank you guys very much for all the work you guys are doing And I will see you at the 21 convention. Oh good shit, man Excellent. Oh, yeah, man Oh, yeah We'll be your stories like that man because a lot of you know a lot of people You know think we just come on here and run our mouths and it's it's good And I roll you probably get this more than anybody I mean you you've had multiple guys tell you hey I was going to kill myself and I picked up the rational mail and I found myself So it's it's good to hear stories like that just this just this morning in fact actually Uh, I that's good. I'm glad I'm glad somebody called in to talk about the 21 convention And not just because it's uh, you know, we want to promote it or whatever but that I think that it's finally coming into its own I mean when I was talking with with anthony last year, I said look we if we're going to do this It's got to be a red pill summit. It's got to be something that's going to be useful and beneficial and it's going to have like a It's going to it's going to be giving guys tools and I think right now we're kind of hitting this with this lineup I think we're getting right to about where I wanted to be When I first signed on to all this the other thing is like it's It's good to hear this positive feedback because again, we I like I mean, I do this because I'm rolling to mossy, but I mean, it's not like I do this for a living quite yet I mean, maybe I will but it's nice to have that kind of feedback and that's you know, that appreciation Particularly when it's really a labor of love Yeah, I agree I gotta mention too real quick that uh And rollo, I think you were there at the end of the event so you might remember this but That convention last year and so what you're seeing this year is a follow-up But the convention last year the 10 year anniversary and the big infusion of the red pill That represents in my mind a new era of the company and the event and that's what we're seeing And it really is like a new era like it's a new chapter in the company's history You know, I think and I told you about this offline. It's like I think right now we're going to get to the point It's it's already bigger than I mean, you know this You are just saying that we'd sold out half of it already or more than half more than half. Yeah And we still got four months to go. So it's going to sell out This year, but I think that at this stage we have to be careful because we're going to start attracting Mainstream media I agree And that listen, that's the moment listen if we attract mainstream media for better for worse You know, they say there's no such thing as bad publicity That's debatable, but if mainstream media gets a hold of this man like this thing this thing is going to get big Well, and I think right now that we really have to understand that that's coming and that we also need to be very careful on how we treat that because Right now the state of the according to gretchen carlson the the cultural revolution of the futurist female is looking for villains and they're looking for for a group of guys that they're looking for Guys getting together frothing at the mouth and and hating on women and just being these, you know, what they would consider stereotypical chauvinistic misogynistic asshole men And I and they're looking for that because that sells copy that sells clicks that sells, you know And right now I think more than ever they're looking for that. I mean the fact that they jumped on tony robbins for this kind of stuff Uh, I really think that that we need to be real careful of that Well, here's the thing I want like look into this remember that girl a while back that wrote that joke about african Getting aids and went on a plane when she got back her life was over Do you remember her? No, I do not Yeah, she eventually said like I hope I don't get aids. I'm going. Oh, I'm not I'm white So I won't get it. I'm going to Africa and then she went on the plane It went viral she came down and then obviously she got fired all of the works She's fine now I've been thinking about this and I've been seeing a lot of these cases where people did get docs or their shit went down And if you can get past that first two weeks And you don't say things you don't mean and you won't stand behind It's largely amount of just being able to put up with shit in a short term I'm a firm believer in that and I know there's probably a lot of guys in the red pill who kind of get wound up in the Energy of it and they kind of oh, I want to impress them. So I'll say the most Misogynistic thing because that will make me part of the group. They're the ones that get into trouble So I would suggest to anybody who's thinking about doing this the roadmap that I've gone on and you know bear with me I'm just one guy Just don't say anything. You're not willing to stand behind And don't worry about haters like Anthony Robbins There's nothing he could have done to not have those people shit all over him And the worst thing he could have done and this is straight from the box days social justice warriors never lie playbook was don't ever apologize because then And even Jordan Peterson said this when he was on the Kathy Newman interview And it's the perfect example of why you shouldn't apologize or like placate it all just let it blow over Because he said she said people on his channel were harassing her So he said if anybody is doing this stop and he said that was what gave it Like it made it real now that actually was harassing because Jordan just confirmed it right there So I think a lot of this stuff is a little blown out of proportion And this is coming from a guy who's got a lot to lose if somebody decides to go after my livelihood right now I've Prepared for it otherwise, but yeah For the most part just go and do this the more that people start saying the emperor has no clothes More that it's going to become normal and the more normal it is there's going to be a day I hope Where the four or five of us people look at this and think it's very quaint And then you look at tomorrow's people talking on youtube, but there's super polished stuff I'm actually really kind of excited about it Well, the emperor might not have no clothes, but the emperor this year has body armor and uh I'm serious. Yeah, and I'm also going to be getting it I'm going to make it a larger vest as well for the speakers if you guys want it It'll be optional this year. Yeah, that's necessary. Hopefully not, but if you feel safe for wearing it I'm going to provide it and I think and then I bring that up because not only are we going to track mainstream media But we could attract like a crazy like the youtube shooter the woman who went to youtube and shot up youtube hq That's never happened to the twilight convention Obviously, and I hope it never does but in the event that does we're prepared for it I'm ready. Does that take safety the attendees and speakers extremely fucked seriously All right, let's uh, let's go to the next caller. Uh, we've got uh airy code 570713361. I see you guys we're going to start with airy code 408 408 You're on you are on live with the red man group. What you got 408. I know that Hey, good morning. My name is Armando coming in from the bay area here in california through sgw headquarters Definitely have communicated with him via twitter and uh, shout out to donovan sharp for keeping shit real Appreciate it all the time and uh Been following you guys since episode one and uh, just want to Jesus Talk about You know an article from royals twitter um scientific feminism with uh, you know deontological judgment And just uh woman solipsism in general Um, of course, if there's time if not, I just thought I'd just give a shout out and yeah, I appreciate it Yeah, yeah I tweeted that out. Well, actually was it last night or this morning? I can't remember but anyways, uh, I I subscribe to uh scientific feminism and which is kind of a strange name for that account because it's really sort of Uh goes against a lot of the stuff that that she posts if it's a she I don't know Post is really kind of against feminism and really backs up a lot of the stuff that I've been talking about for quite some time I use a lot of evo psych in what I write And I I basically connect the dots that a lot of evo psych people don't want to connect because for whatever reason it's Not appropriate for them or they don't want to draw that much shit to themselves And I'll give you an example of that here in a minute, but uh, the the article that he was referring to was a study that was done um that kind of It's like a it was a biological study, but it was also a um a study based on um Was it uh Moral capacity between men and women it was that wasn't what they were trying to to solve But it's kind of like what they were solving already and he was talking about the the deontological is like uh What we talk about this a lot particularly in the crystal manasphere is uh, do women have a capacity for Morality do they have a moral agency or is it all on guys? I mean is it all our responsibility to to make sure that women, you know Are are under control because I hear that a lot. I hear a lot of guys go and say Uh, well, you know the reason that we're the the decline of western civilizations because men have let women Run right, you know run rough shot over them, right? They're like, well, I agree I can understand that from a certain perspective, but the other perspective is this is like do women have Agency do they have moral agency because if they do then they have at least they're bearing some of the responsibility for the state of you know, intersexual dynamics right now but this study was really showing um the the capacity for uh for moral judgment I believe between men and women and they was getting into um I I wish I had it on on hand. I can't really do justice right now, but it's it's I think it's something that's gonna I'm probably gonna write a post about but they they got into how oxytocin Uh, women. Oh, yeah, the receptors. Yeah receptors for oxytocin make them Uh make them what less I think was it less likely to be all the rules, but they don't You miss the abstracting. Yeah, and the guys were more about uh the best results or utilitarian versus right Yeah, so it made them it made women's judgment more binary where men's judgment was based on Results and rationality and I I actually got into this in my last series Which was instinct emotion and reason and I also made the case that women tend to uh defer or they or so default to The emotional interpretation of their world and their experiences So everything is filtered through this, you know, how that made them feel and I I argued that from the perspective that women and men communicate in different ways and men are more interested in information Women are more interested in context and this study really kind of backed that up So I got I got to dig into it a little bit more, but there's probably going to be an upcoming post Well, maybe it suddenly made sense in my head as I was listening to Rolo talk because there was a cold a while back Where Kate Blanchett, I think it was said my moral compass is in my vagina This is so amazingly brilliant is if you take the ontological judgment rule based moral judgment You combine that with female solipsism You get a statement that comes out something like what is good for the world is what is good for my vagina in essence A woman will judge anything that's good for hypergamy as being good and anything that's bad for hypergamy is being bad No, that reminds you of wall street with that greed is good speech. There it is. Um, yep. Gordon gecko, man That's a good And I'll tell you this as far as Moral agency in the sexual marketplace as far as women are concerned. It's bad for genetics And and the the the truth is this if women based their sexual choices on logic and morality The best traits would be bred out of existence The people the people who were born would be weaker. They would be less They would be less intelligent So if women decided to if women were sexually aroused by men who were you know made $40,000 a year You know had all the statistics, but then guys with the tattoos and you know the bad at you know Basically the alphas of the world then they would be bred out of existence. So listen, we can talk about moral We can talk about women have no sexual morality. Well, this is this is necessary for the advancement of our species like this is Natural selection that Not nurse eugenics. Let me let me challenge you Let me challenge you. It's not a man. We should look after the show because I've seen a little bit of discussion on this We should look at IQ levels over the recent couple generations since the introduction of birth control See introduction of birth control You got me because here's the need to look we need to look at that. You know, I agree because here's the thing The most like men who are bigger faster stronger have the who had the physical genetics I don't I mean, I'm not a scientist But one would think that they probably have a lower IQ, right? Like maybe I've seen I think I've seen turd flinging monkey or some other migtail uber talk about And this isn't super like deep science, but the connection between muscularity and actually uh intelligence Muscle head man muscle heads. All right. We got it. We got two minutes to take calls. We got We just throw in one more thing there There was actually a recent study that showed that IQ levels have dropped over the past two generations Which synced up very well with birth control I'll throw this study out on airy code airy code five. I'm sorry airy code 5 7 0 You are on with the red man group 3 6 7 1 8 and 7 1 3. We're going to get to you guys in just a second You're on live 5 7 0 Hey Hey, Cosmo, what's up? I I I have a couple female friends I work with Good for you I'm gonna hang out with them And uh, I got radio silence from text when I was texting them So I want to know what I do and they go back to work tomorrow I'll pretend like hey nothing happened. I think Be myself or do I just like Just sort of blow them off. Okay. Wait a minute. Did you fuck these did you fuck this girl or no? No, so what happened whatever Just looking to hang out We're all off work this week. Do you want to go to lunch or something? And did you want a friend or did you want to fuck them? Let's be honest here. You're among friends, of course He wants to fuck her no reply again Yeah, you got to leave that alone dude that listen listen that that is an hr summons waiting to happen And I get I know that's the easy answer but do not fuck your co-workers It never listen. It never ever ends. Well, because here's what happens when you fuck your co-workers Six within six months after you start fucking her Both of you are not going to be with that company either You're going to not be with the company or she's going to leave the company And most more than likely you're going to be the one who's not with the company If you fuck if you fuck a co-worker one one or both of you is going to be out of a job. It's not worth it Yeah, but here's the thing too be honest like you don't want to just hang out and watch Star Trek together You wanted to fuck her but you couldn't even say it So here's something to think about like be honest with your interactions And I bet you this and this is going to tie into uh your man there donovan be honest with your intentions upfront If you're just asking her yeah, you want to hang out and be cool right as opposed to coming with like a sexual energy It's like yeah, you're nice. I want to get to know you better and you kind of hang out Not blunt but direct I'll say this to the caller my favorite thing over tender even text if I get a girl's number through instagram or whatever Is hey, I want to come over your face and make you my girlfriend or hey I want to come over your tits and declare you my girlfriend And this works really well It does sometimes it blows up in your face, but it works really well most of the time It saves time but no, but it saves a lot of time man It saves time and and again a lot of guys will what you know Why am I in the friend zone because you approached her as a friend right? You're giving her the impression that you put yourself there Do other things with her other than other than just fucking Gotta go 5 7 0. I appreciate the call. We are going to move to area code 361 area code 361. You are on live with the red man group. What you got? This is kind of a quick two-part question Um, I just want to know how you guys felt with coming from bluefield or blue We're just your friends co-workers family, you know, how how do they respond with Lost any relationships because of it I don't talk about it I know all of us touched about this, but What don't say a goddamn thing man. It's white club. Don't talk about white light Wait, let's hear the second part Okay, keep going. Keep going The second part is what's the best way to approach Giving this information and the reason the first question is a little bit odd is because this is new information You know come from kind of a blue pill background and now turn red pill. It's like I definitely got A Approach what exactly approach women or approach life or what you're sharing sharing the red pill Oh, no, no, no, no. Listen, ryan nailed it. Okay. Go ahead ryan. You got it ryan because you know There is no good deed that goes unpunished We have had over the course of four years probably a hundred guys who have tried this Everyone has been bitten in the ass One of two things will happen one the guy will turn on you and tell everybody how much of an ass Well, you are or two he'll agree with everything you say and still do fuck off There you go It's really a waste of your time If you see a guy who's kind of basically he's walking himself off the cliff The best and only thing you can do is make a quick suggestion like I don't know about this man And if he fights you on it, then you gotta let him fail That's really the only way guys learn is by fucking up and maybe then he'll be open to listening Maybe not but chances are he knows how to find it himself Even then I'm just characterize it like this, you know what actually saw something online the other day It's called the rational mail.com. I don't know. You might want to check it out Boom. Hey, I don't know if I agree with all of it's kind of weird. Do they that kind of shit? Yeah, right Because people are stupid that way But yeah, yeah, if you almost have to take it away from him Listen, like I've heard good and bad things about it So listen, you want to check it out fine But I've you know, I've heard a lot a lot of people say they've been helped by it 361 appreciate the telephone call. We are going to go to area code Donovan, we probably just get into the when you shift out of that's okay We can do some more. I can I can go over. So I just wanted to say to this other guy is that you know what? Be careful be very understand that the likelihood of it blowing up in your face is like 98 percent But there's still that 2% that you might be able to reach I think that a lot of guys when they find the mana sphere they find it because they were looking for it And you're not gonna you're in all likelihood. You're not going to Convince some guy to to come over to being unplugged as much as as exciting as it is for you And and I know this because I get this all the time I've been getting this since the days I was riding for so swap guys were like I gotta tell somebody about you know I got this buddy. I really want to help them out I mean, you know, and they feel they honest to God, you know Have this really good intent to to wake them up and to unplug them everything I always say, you know be very very careful about that because Unplugging guys from the matrix is triage Okay, you gotta save who you can and then move on to the next guy and then But be very careful about how you go about doing that because most men today are not ready to hear what you're going to say They need to get into a position. They need to be and I hate to say this But they've got to be in a traumatic part of their lives. They need to be breaking up with a girlfriend They need to be at you know zeroed out They need to be at some sort of low ebb for them to really, you know Break down and say what what what happened? Why am I not doing this because most guys when they find the red pill? That's what they're doing. They're hitting it when They're they're going on google and saying, why do my girlfriend break up with me? Yeah, nobody finds the red pill in their fucking 16 bitches. Yeah, exactly So you got to understand that you wait wait for your moment Uh, and then understand that do it very subtly, you know one of the things I always tell guys is like, you know, I have I have a book and I always promote the print the print version of the first book Because what I want what I've always wanted guys to do is to take that book and give it to a friend or to leave it somewhere You know conspicuous so that they can pick it up and they can start reading it So it's like they came to it on their own instead of somebody going Here's the watch tower for the jojova's witnesses. I don't want you have time to talk about christian You know, but they don't want to be proselytized to they want to find it on their own because they do it makes it feel More organic, you know, what happens to you? Would you know where you'll go when you die? Give me a break. I'll say this. I make rational. That makes a great wedding gift. Yeah Straight up. I've had guys send me pictures of it on the table of the other I'm keeping that one. That one's going on twitter Yo, all right, we got we got just a couple of minutes here to take phone calls airy code 718 you're on the live with the red man group. What you got? good uh ryan mute I'm sorry. I thought I was muted Question because we know individuals come to it on their own if they do it all but With everything happening with these recent developments With women going haywire with the sets with the minors And school shootings. What's the next biggest development that you guys foresee? Good question. Thanks for calling. We'll go ahead and answer this. Um, yeah, who wants to go first? I I'll say it might be what rollo was getting at with the convention that the red pill goes mainstream through Maybe my company that it is we are we on a thing that target Maybe us individually the company the red pill movement the community I mean, it's there's a lot of options that the red pill earned the mainstream could take And then that could be a whole fucking, you know firestorm I was gonna say we were just talking about that. It's uh, I I think that what What the red what the red pill represents right now is a potential I mean from our side of the red pill because everybody wants to bastardize the the the brand of the red pill right now And use it for their own little pet fucking ideologies or pet projects or anything But I think if you're talking about it from the perspective that that we talk about it here Like intersexual dynamics. I think the red pill also sort of presents this Possibility of this prospect of having a good enemy for them to fight. Okay There when the alt right came out and they start saying I got red pill Then I I hate that because I don't use red pill as a verb I think that once you use a Terminology as a verb like red pill Uh, then you're kind of jumping the shark and it's then we're gonna go sell t-shirts And we're gonna go, you know get secret to coda ring. You're cheapening it Yeah, you're cheapening it. Yeah, you're cheapening it. Yeah, you're cheapening it. I wouldn't be opposed to that And so I think that it's gonna in the future We're gonna see a lot more mainstream people are I would I would be very surprised if we didn't have um If we didn't have somebody from the mainstream media approach myself or anthony about you know covering the event or you know interviewing the people out there and I'm real I've always been really hesitant about that I'm always my my highest priority beyond the safety of the guys who are attending is the anonymity of the guys that are Attending because I don't know maybe one guy doesn't care, but the next guy sitting next to him He probably does care so we've got to be really careful of that kind of stuff But I think that if we're gonna talk about what's the next big thing. I think we're already kind of seeing it In terms of open cuckoldry right now. I think we're seeing a lot of a push towards Convincing men particularly beta men that paternity doesn't matter I think we're gonna true there and we're already seeing this right now What's like we can't you just because if you guys heard a 23 and me that the genetic is to find out where I'm from 23 and me had this really unexpected Out you know fallout from it Which is guys were finding out that they weren't genetically related to the kids that are in their house I've been part of their lives for most of their life right so they're finding this kind of stuff out so now they're trying to find ways to to you know limit The limit telling you know men about their own DNA about you know whether they're not the real father There's there's rule. I'm legislation right now where a doctor cannot inform The quote-unquote husband or the quote-unquote father of a child if he discovers that that child is genetically not that guy Because technically she belongs to the mother and he might leave her Which would be the right fucking thing to do and I talk about this all the time where it's like We're talking about the cult of the child is whatever's in the best interest of the child Well, what's in the best interest of the child is that a man doesn't know that the paternity is actually his And I think that we're seeing this more and more where a guy who did not father a child still has to pay child support for that kid and What does that message say first of all? It means kids are all up here and dad's way the fuck down here and mom might be right up underneath the kid But it also shows that it sends a message that paternity doesn't matter that paternity is something that you know It's my belief and I'm pretty sure this is pretty backed up by science that men evolved to you want Certainty of paternity they want to know that the kid is their own You know like when you know when primates go into you know an alpha male primate comes in he kills the young of All these rivals and then he fucks all the chicks in his new harem There's like something like very similar to that I think in the male psyche where we want to know that the kid is ours because for for men and I've talked about this before as well, which is the cardinal rule of sexual strategies is that for one Sexist sexual strategy to succeed the other one has to be compromised or has to be completely abandoned And what I mean by that is like if a guy decides that he wants to be a parent and he wants to invest Parentally in a woman that the only Way he would do that because that means he is Abandoning his old sexual strategy to accommodate hers the at the very least he can get Raked over the coals doesn't matter But he wants to know that that kid is his fucking kid because he has he has basically put his whole life on hold and his sexual Strategy on hold and trying to breed with other women on hold if he's doing that but the swap or the the the exchange is that that guy needs to know that and that's I think that's an Evolutionary imperative for men that they need to know that but socially we're trying to condition that out of guys right now We're trying to say paternity doesn't matter and you know what you're a hero because you're you married a single mother and she might have had she might have three kids with two different guys and You're coming in here and you're taking over his parental investment opportunity are his his responsibilities You're a hero and we want to road reinforce that want to build that guy up But what are we building up? We're building up this guy being a Darwinistic Evolutionary dead end because he is basically taking over the parental investment Operating of responsibilities of another guy or maybe two guys or maybe three guys for all we fucking know Yeah, that guy stepping in there and being beta bucks provisioner for guys who Successfully reproduced and then moved on because they are what following their own sexual strategy They're all their own male imperative Which is to spread the seed if a guy is going to put all of his eggs in one fucking basket The very least he should have is to be certain that that kid is his and when you take that away I mean legally we're taking that away socially. We're taking that away. We're saying it doesn't matter father We're just about to hit father's day right now, and I will guarantee you that you will hear this message I didn't need no father. I've got this great mother who was all better than any father I gotta be the mom and the dad right and why because we're killing the need for paternity We're killing off the the idea that a guy should at the very fucking lease in this exchange be able to know that All right, we got we got time for one more caller area code 713 you're on live with the red man group talk to us very code 713 Calling from Starbucks. I love it Here you go 713 you there going once Going twice go and he's gone. He's gone. All right Too bad anybody else said you know what I think he was there. I we ran out of time on my on the software No, I don't this whatever dude you snooze you lose. That's that's how it works man. So before we We should probably do a whole show dedicated to call into it. Oh, I totally agree Yeah, before we wind down Rola, did you want to hit on some picture of a hot tub? They didn't get to this but there's like there was a really kind of a dust up and it always is but we get in Friend of the show and rotate and then of course everybody knows Christian McQueen Christian McQueen is over in I Guess Estonia or Romania might be Romania or maybe they went somewhere else I don't know but they've been posting pictures from the road and and this is like Tate's thing You know, he he's post picture. I mean if you've seen any of his youth I'm surprised he's still on YouTube to be honest with you with what he put posts on there We've had him on the show before we know his background. We know what he does You know for a living we know that he that he's got money and he can go and do whatever he wants Fuck you money. He's got fucking money pretty much And so he's over in Europe right now with with Christian McQueen and they're sending back these pictures of them like in in a hot tub with like three chicks and of course everybody comes out of the woodwork because You got you got first of all you got mid towels are coming out of the woodwork saying You know, this is just showing that you know, this is dangerous You know guys shouldn't do this because any of these chicks can can you know call call the cops and they get You know, they or they could just say they got sexually assaulted in So that's so that's the big top side then there's the then there's the trad con side of guys Well, this is a this is an empty lifestyle And it's it's like, you know, this is this is not what men do real men go insert families and real men go in and You know, they they have two point two point five kids and they they you know They are a good provider and you did that the trad con side of things and then you got the women kitten holiday being one comes in It's cool. You beat me to it falls in on that Saying I oh men could just learn to be you know better providers and just learn I'm gonna try something here I Let's hold on a second I just want to yeah, listen again that that those are musings of a post-wall woman because women Women who are young and hot they don't have a problem with those pictures because they are in those pictures, but it's Okay, see that that's the picture right there. That's one I don't get how people have an opinion of this at all I looked at it. I'm like good for them. Yeah, right I'm sure that they were both lifting and other than that. I was like whatever the fact that people are emotionally invested in it Kind of boggles the mind. Yeah Like living vicariously through somebody but not even in a positive way It's it's the typical migtail respond well the typical lower because not all migtails are created equal No, but the typical lower level migtail responses. Oh, this is bad You're you're a slave to the pussy or it's an empty lifestyle. No, no, man Here's the thing you you're listen, you're not good with women So you want us to think that you could that that you could have women if you wanted to but you just don't feel like it So you're gonna shame men who are good women get the fuck out of here You would trade your boring ass life for that emptiness tomorrow if you could get the fuck out of here with that nonsense Oh, I know it's so transparent I kind of wanted to I wanted to hit on this one because really it opens up a larger Discussion I think about men and women making their necessity of virtue. Okay, so it's like I would never do anything like that You know, but the thing is yeah, you probably would if you were about, you know, 15 years younger I mean because I didn't when I was in my 20s. I did shit just like this all the time It's like do you move on from that? Do you do something else? Sure. But you know what don't go and fucking hate on that shit because that is part of their lives That's part of their experience and they want to say well those women are paid for those women are you know, it's like well How do we know those women weren't prostitutes dude all women are prostitutes on some level anyway And we're all John's on some level. So if we want to make it macro That every guy's gonna do that I'm not saying that that's even what the red pill is all about that's part of it That's part of what the red pills are proud. It's not the only thing that listen that That's what they want to make it about well that photo again That is merely a side effect of living the red pill life a lot of people think that the red pill is all about getting women Well, that's the gateway most men find the red pill because of heartbreak or sexual frustration caused by women and so if you really take the red pill and you digest it and you You know, you go on the self-improvement journey you quickly you you quickly begin to realize that wait a minute like women aren't necessary for my Happiness. Yes women do make my life a little more enjoyable, but they're not really necessary Okay, I've got a couple of hot chicks that I'm fucking here But my red pill life afforded me those hot chicks hot chicks don't afford you the red pill life Yeah, exactly and I again I think that's one example of what could do because you go you look at like say someone like Hunter drew who has a Completely different message when it comes to stuff like that. I don't see hunter going and hating on stuff like that He's just saying, you know, that's there. That's what they do. That's their thing. That's how they've chosen to live and that's their lifestyle That's what they want to do. Here's my lifestyle. You want to learn about what I do fine. I'm Rolla Tomasi I'm not going to be you know hanging out with chicks and hot tubs, but I've hung out with poor girls pretty much my whole life Well, this is also why Rolla you harp on that the red pill is a prexology and what you do with it is a choice It's not prescription. Yeah, it's tools It's understanding a process. It's understanding how you get to that I mean, I I posted it was about two years ago. I posted a picture of myself in my zoot suit I had one my poor girls there. I thought it was a great shot. I thought it was really funny And then of course everybody goes, oh man, this is a lifestyle. I didn't think you were reliving You know, it's like remember that one where the guy tried to make you look like a supervillain with that shit Yeah The minister's number one villain I think that it's it's kind of disingenuous to say that You know that that is less legitimate than and then something else. What it is is it's proof of concept It's proof of concept that they can do that. You know what my 22 year marriage is proof of concept Uh hunter drew it's proof of concept. Uh, you know the way Yeah, Tanner Guzzi everybody everybody's gonna be at the 21 convention I would say for the dude we walk the fucking walk man Our our guys that yeah that walk the walk that are when like said proof of concept Yep, well guys, we don't if you're lying Guys we got to start winding down any closing words other than most most of you can be met except maybe carl Maybe not I mean met this year at the 21 convention 2018 tickets are in the video description. There's a link You can also visit any of these guys websites including donovan and maybe ryan but definitely rollo You can visit the website to get tickets as well And uh, hope to see you guys at the event more than half the tickets already sold out And we do expect to sell out the summer. We are killing it this year and it's unreal In fact, we've sung so many fucking tickets. I almost forgot to even mention it Because you study The other thing to remember is it's not going to be at the same place, right? I mean, it's going to be at a larger venue this year. It's going to be So Yeah, it's going to be in Orlando, but a different venue and then next year we're going to move it out of Orlando It's another city again real quick Someone just asked uh, someone just asked is kitten still on no, of course kitten's not on She had her 15 minutes of glory and now that the attention is no longer on her. She's no longer interested That's what that whole thing was about like seriously like seriously like as soon as I saw the night I was like, oh you gotta be fucking of course. She was gonna call. I didn't even have a point I'm getting holiday. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. All right. Give me someone to the holy devil Say what when did you stomp your puppy? I listen man I listen I have very little patience for women like kitten a true red pill woman is seen Not even seen or heard man to for her to come onto this form Oh, I'm getting holiday with my big double D floppers with my 18 inch cleavage because I'm so get out of here with that There was no point. There was no purpose for her phone call. But to say, hey, look, I'm kitten fucking holiday So there you go. You're late. You're welcome for the 500 new fucking thirsty twitter followers Get out of here with that nonsense. So someone someone just asked the uh, one's the next red man group show That should be next saturday and it should be on uh, ronk richa groupers channel Solid oh, there she is there. She is there. She is awesome So the channel the channel by the way, holy devil you can find the next show Just go on youtube and type entrepreneurs and cars and you'll find it you'll find other episodes of the show actually in rich channel That's what we'll be at Yeah, richard's a solid guy, man. I'm gonna yeah, I'm not sure who our guests are gonna be I also should we should maybe like, uh Hype it. Yeah. Hype it a little bit or amplify this a little bit But uh, you know rich, I don't know who's gonna be on next week But we've got some got some guests in the pipeline that I think people are gonna really like I'm still trying to get uh christian mcqueen on for a I would love to get him. I would love to get him on I would love to get him on with tate And I'm I'm kind of I'm thinking he'd probably be better for Anthony's show for this side of their other red man group because we get so we get a little bit more Deeper more a little bit more cerebral. I guess when we learn with rich Uh, you know, we just did a show with him and jack donovan and uh, dr. Sean and And You have an eric playing that jack donovan's gonna be a 21. No jack donovan's gonna be there. Oh good. Oh, yeah So I yeah, so that's We really get we get in really deep on those ones. I think that probably for upper spring christian mcqueen over here That would be a good. Um, I'm also working with turd flinging monkey right now Just so people know that yeah, people thought he was going to be on this this episode But we wanted to try collins this at this episode and I really think that if we're ever going to discuss migtail it should probably be on this show and I think that we need to dedicate a show just talking about migtail and Let's do it. I think we need to have like an honest against debate. So it's not like we're uh, you know Throwing out all the time Let's talk about it because I I don't have a problem with migtail really I mean, I I do in some respects because I think that in in ways it sort of Encourages guys to be less competitive and to to you know the standard, you know Red pill uh understanding of migtail, but I don't I don't think that Why they go migtail is is wrong. I think that is absolutely 100 right? It's just what you do once you become red pill. Do you go migtail or do you go do you use that to your advantage? What do you want to do? I want to have that discussion I'd rather have him on for a whole show than to just like that'll be great 100 100 on board and I think it's in the awesome show. We should do it in a few weeks. Let's do it Yeah, I'd like to do that. I have um, I have a patreon now. I broke down. I'm sorry I have a patreon. I don't have any tiers to my patreon It's just like if you want to be involved. I just kind of throw out like new announcements and things I do there I I give away like I might Start doing a an audio podcast precinct was just me talking for What 20 minutes and the just and it's going to be about the basics Rolly you're like a drug dealer 20 minutes, man Like he's selling us 20s and then he's going to overcharge us for the kilo. Come on, Rolo. The first hit is free I'm going to be talking about old school stuff like the stuff that or it's in book one and the basics that are like Just for people just now coming into this because I I always presume that everybody's like you like I can just Oh, you know a mental point of origin is, you know a cardinal rule of relationships is, you know And a lot of guys don't know that they're just I every day I have guys hit my my twitter dms are always open And I have guys every day saying I love this stuff. You change my life blah blah blah I just pick up your book and it's like I'm I'm getting new guys that have questions But they're old questions to me and so I kind of want to give them A little bit more clarification because I'm seeing the same questions over and over again So that's for everyone watching the show live you can actually click the video description underneath this There's a bunch of links including links to all the speaker's websites and twitter accounts And I think donovan's patreon is there and we're also going to play rolo's It's the one he just mentioned you'll find a link to it just right underneath this video By the way, um before I go this this is what a real red Red pill woman looks like right like my woman literally just No, it's not it's not nachos. It's a burger. It's a keto burger. It's a key It's a it's a it's a keto burger made it for me while I was online So so women if you want if you want if you want to impress a man, that's what you do I don't want to hear about well you have to do no no no learn to cook lose weight Guys, you can follow me on you can find all of my content on donovan sharp.com You can follow add and like me on twitter facebook and instagram just do a quick search for donovan sharp And and again once again, anthony thanks for for bringing me on today man thoroughly enjoyed it Fuck yeah, fuck. Yeah, everyone. Thanks for coming on Once you've got the links underneath this video I'm in the live stream you guys stand privately everyone else see next week or the week after that and go check out richard's channel Get the other show or they have the other guys