 You're right. You're right. And then that's probably why I'm kind of finding myself in this middle, you know I'm like I really don't think I belong here, even though I've been, you know It's like conserves are the good guys, you know everybody else in a sense of the bad guys They're essentially doing the same thing the bad guys are doing and like, like, they are. As far as self-interested So recording and then you can just line up with the mic just needed. Nice, Matt Hey, you're a pro at this, dude We used to be live-streaming but now our live-streaming crew is upstairs, but um, so you're at CPAC 2020 Are you getting what you wanted out of this? Yeah, I am. Yeah Okay, talk to me about it. I well really I came here with my my mom my sister and I'm Ty, it's nice to meet you. Ty, I'm Jordan. Jordan, nice to meet you. Jordan, are you getting what you wanted out of CPAC? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I Came here with my mom and my sister and our whole family has always been in the politics like my parents You know we're Reagan re-Republicans So I got a lot of that in me and everything but you know really my main goal was just to bond with my mom my sister Yeah, okay, okay I want to understand what you guys are coming from and be excited when you're excited sort of Okay, is that would you say that's close or am I? About you or like I want to bond with my mother and sister. Yeah, they're political So I will learn more about politics inject myself into it so I can bond with them. Yeah, it's that kind of thing even though I'm very interested in it, too but I guess I don't see myself as like hard on one side It's like it's like I want to be that's it's like, you know everyone's got the paraphernalia and the red hats and and I'm gonna vote for Trump. I didn't for four years ago But um, you know, he's convinced me that I want to vote. I want to vote for him. What convinced you Well, I guess I felt like he he's got a lot of just common sense I felt like he's been lacking for a long time and the decisions they've made and when it comes to you know budget and You know handling money and dealing with other other countries and you know if we're not being treated the way that Benefits America then well, let's maybe hold some people to the fire a little bit like let's get something out Well, you know like as far as talking to different countries as far as like the you know, what we put put into this country It's like with NATO saying, you know, like we we fund NATO more than anybody else And yet we felt like we're being kind of pushed aside on a lot of these on these Negotiations stuff and trade so that sounds very logical Either if we're paying we should be represented more if we're not Why are we there? Why are we yeah, right or start putting some pressure on NATO to represent us, okay? Okay, and and that was enough to as a criteria for you to be like, you know what this guy's pretty cool I think I think eventually, you know what it was because I was always kind of on the fence I like this politics, but I didn't really like how I went about it tweeting and You know just just how he handles himself and there's a lot. There's a lot drawbacks. I'm like What would a more ideal candidate look like? I You know somebody like a like a Jim Jordan Instead of a name why you tell me like the attributes that you're all right. Yeah, I'm my because no one's perfect, right? No one's perfect. Yeah, so what's the attributes you're looking for now somebody who kind of like sees everybody for like their internal worth You know who they actually are I don't really get that a lot on the surface from from Trump Because he's all business and was what he's gonna do He's got a shtick and people love it, but isn't it doesn't really identify with with me and something that Trump and a lot of Republicans don't talk about is How their politics can actually help the poor help the oppressed? That's like we kind of have left that be all the Democrats is territory When even though I feel like our Republican policies can be very effective, but we don't talk about it I'm like that because they're not effective for helping the poor or is it because we just don't care It's what I'm hearing is like I want someone who I Don't think I understand quite late the Seize people for humans worth, but I'm hearing on the second part We have Republican tenants and policies that actually do help the board and I just wish they were better Communicated, yes, and could be highlighted many of them done in force isn't the right word, but Advocated for right more strongly by a leader who is concerned with like the welfare of the poor Visible level right that makes sense. Yes, let me know if I'm putting words your mouth It doesn't you could say that's not all I'm saying time. No, I wouldn't work my mouth Let me tell you exactly where I'm at. Yeah, I mean basically I assume that Trump cares about the poor, but I'm not hearing it I hear and then an ideal candidate you would hear that more Yeah, that would that would light me up and I felt like hey We're here because we're trying to help those who cannot help themselves But that's not usually our public antagonist. Yeah, you don't really hear that a lot But I would imagine Let's say who comes in tomorrow and mentions that maybe like in 40 seconds 10-minute long speech would that make you actually asked even more so it would it would if you never heard it at all If you never mentioned the poor would you still say alright, that's still something. I wish you had I'm still voting for you exact because I do think the policies are helping But by which by the way we talk It's like we don't really care about that and it's like we're more so talking to people that have money and And are all concerned about that our money being taxed away to help the little people help poor people that we don't care about That's what I'm worried is the message of their public and party. I hear that too. I can't tell you How many times I've heard like that mindset around here? It's like just work harder or like yeah pull up your bootstraps We'll trickle down right etc. Eventually Yeah, what do you think would be a palatable way to express to a conservative like a die-hard conservative that It benefits you to have poor people have a means of Getting too close to where you're at or like getting out of poverty benefits you to not have poor people in your country How do you sell that? I think that conservatives pride themselves on being patriotic and the American dream and So we sell the idea that hey We are in a crusade a cause to help the force of the poor rise that American dream But we have to talk to them not just talk to the rich who are worried about their own pockets. I like that I like I like that. So it's like You're a conservative like America Americans come in all sort of different brackets and and colors and all that stuff But we help Americans and if there's an American that's struggling we as Americans will be willing to help that person out and Why not help fellow Americans? Achieve the American dream and it doesn't have to be at a great cost. I'm not taking anything out It'll be a consensual thing among all of us and we'll agree to it But this is the time where we're asking for us to come together and help the poor and it helps everybody So we don't have to you know We can say that we can still talk to the rich or the middle-class like hey This is good for you and it's good for them. Why is it good for them? It's good. It's good for them because again We're not taxing away all their income, but we're saying hey that when there are more people that are You know off of food stamps off of off of welfare their taxpayers them themselves the government's getting more money without taxing you Mmm Hey, there's an interesting boy Yeah, and less motivation for the government to tax you because they've got more money now Also poor communities cause crime if they weren't as poor less crime more focus on police to Help in other capacities let more teachers focus on teaching well rather than stopping fights at school less drugs Maybe better border control all that all the things that you guys care about can be fixed if you focus on To an extent poverty in America right why aren't conservatives I'm worried. They just don't really care though. I mean, I think their policies help as far as as far as The I think the policies help, but they're not there in the heart of it I think that the idea of people rising up having jobs of their own and having that self-esteem I struggle to my career to and you know, I Work at a senior living place That's important. I have run activities. That's incredibly important and so, you know, I had a full-time job now for two years But before that I was just like hustling, you know working three different part-time jobs and and it sucks You know it's hard and yeah, so, you know having some somebody like speak to me, you know about hey We got to get you that job. We got to get you that That career, you know Because not only yeah, did it help my pockets, but yeah helped who I was as far as you know Being able to speak out being able just to feel okay in my own skin. I dig that. Can I feel something else? Do you think there's fear? Republican leadership from sounding like Democratic leadership and if democratic leadership is like we got to focus on the board We got to focus on the board. We got to stop poverty Republicans are like I don't want to sound like them because I don't want fellow Republicans I'm competing for for spots in office to say he's he's a liberal. He's a Democrat So I'm gonna stick to a party script and just hope I win whatever I get off the party script Maybe they do care about the poor. Maybe they just can't express it for fear out of being called out Is that a possibility? Does that sound reasonable? Maybe I don't see it though that way I mean, I guess the way I see it is that over, you know, it's been like decades like at least 50 60 years That's like the Democrats have been like we're your party You know it with LBJ back in the 60s with the great society and the war against against poverty It's like hey, we're the ones who are fighting for you But you know the Republicans were silent on it all this time And so I think that Democrats have drawn people that are actually, you know caring about the poor To their their party whether their policies are helping or not They've had the PR the good PR to actually get people who believe in the cause and I think a lot of Republicans You know not necessarily are bad people, but they're concerned about hey We have to be financially stable as a country and and myself and you know, you know they're focused on business and You know, they're probably are backed by a lot of corporations too that maybe don't care so much about the poor I mean, you know, I'm kind of getting no drawing off the lines. No, but it sounds like There's there's there could it's easy to be disillusioned by any political group when you start looking at them on our microscope Yeah, it's a very nuanced problem much more so do you think you're I don't want to put this in a bad way But I know you're trying to draw enthusiasm from this to better connect with your your family Do you think your family is applying the same amount of critical thought that you're using right now? I Doubt it because it because it feels more rah-rah, you know for them then like well Let's talk about because it's really the best thing to do and maybe just because of where I am in my journey And maybe they've had that journey already and so but I'm still kind of coming the grips with it So maybe that's that's all it is the way I find it is there's no excuse not to think critically So even after I it's not a hill that I I I climb and then I'm done thinking it's true I think it's just it's steady climb upwards regardless and I worry I Worried that even I can become complacent When it comes to challenging my own beliefs Does that make sense? Yeah If you what's what can I can I ask a question? What is it from the other side of the fence or the whatever they call it in Congress? Yeah, why the aisle is they literally call it the aisle that's so late There's the election camera here. You got to come up with better name guys I'll be between where the Democrats said where they're probably Republicans Is there a message on the other side that you find is a very compelling strong argument that Democrats come up with maybe something that could be ground for a bipartisan effort between conservatives Let's say you have more political sway than you can then you have at the moment What is being said on the other side of the aisle or the other side of the convention center that you find Appealing to the point where you're willing to support it to even if you have to stand with a bunch of blueouts Yeah, yeah I honestly can't think of a current Message from the Democratic Party, but you know my favorite president is a JFK and Something that who was it older? He was before my time I'm 30 Like history though, so I like history. Yeah history school. My favorite history is like medieval kings I was like, oh, yeah, Henry the third or something. All right, cool. I'm sorry Henry third wise to the Henry the second best one. Sorry. I'm sure most people are not gonna know the difference. It's fine It's fine. I'm in there too. I thought I thought we were boning So Kennedy Kennedy something that was something that he pushed a lot in the early 60s Was public service, you know civic duty and really like getting involved in your government Republicans have such an anti Don't ask what my government comes to me ask now. Yes, right, right Yeah, and and that really speaks to me because I'm very you know to me like Patriotic in that sense of like, yeah, let's let's serve our country What's you know and get involved in the government and that kind of thing Well, I mean that's something that's a message. It's not very well received, you know interpublican and conservative circles We're saying hey government's a bad guy, you know make government and and maybe government shouldn't be as small as it's Still able to function. Yeah, but yeah, I'm sorry All right, well, and so, you know that idea of public service and like, you know government can be a good thing It doesn't mean every government program is a bad program Sure, but we don't hear that from Republicans and I do hear that from the Democratic side that hey government can be a force for good I Was saying don't ask what my country can do for me ask what I can do for my country Sounds very much like a conservative state sentiment today. You know, you are right I'm really glad you pointed that out because Because I mean basically they might not say it, you know word for word But maybe a lot of voters are saying well, what can you give me? You know Bernie? What can you give me free college? Yeah, what do I get out of this and they're excited about that and yeah So that's why I say in a current message. I'm not Enthusied about it, but I'm like why do you point that out? Do you feel like the Republicans are more or less saying the same thing right now, too? What do I get out of this if I have Trump in office? It's true like they're saying more more money in my pocket. It's good for business. The economy is great You know my stock and you have bombs are doing great blah blah blah and yeah It feels very self-interested and that's not very motivational I feel like we're at I feel like we found something we did we totally did And I'm really glad that you pointed out that really that the message of Kennedy is really a conservative Message in that sense of like how can Maybe it is maybe it isn't I didn't say it's conservative. I feel like that was the tenure of what? What motivated you and or like even back then or what you found appealing to Kennedy's rule Yeah, and it's not something that you're seeing right now from either side to an extent you're right You're right, and then that's probably why I'm kind of finding myself in this middle You know, I'm like I really don't think I Belong here even though I've been you know, it's like conserves are the good guys You know everybody else in a sense of the bad guys Essentially doing the same thing the bad guys are doing it like like they are a self-interested Self-interest and what does this candidate give me and will he make me happy and will he meet my goal? You're right. You're right. I Don't have anything else to add. I mean really that's that I think I think you really help me nail it there Yeah, I wish we could talk actually we can talk again. We will be here. Yeah, but this is probably good grounds to like be like Consider this conversation a little bit maybe my name is let or my name is tie I'm working on a way to talk to anyone about anything and one of the cool things about it is just asking questions to figure out how people arrive at the police and I do this on my youtube channel and Have a really fun time doing it. There's a bunch of other people who do the same thing too Yeah, if you feel like you like to continue the conversation send me a link we can chat. I have a radio show We can there's other people I can link you to but yeah Yeah, it's all good. I think it's the highlight Conversations that don't suck we aren't lying. We're good at this. Yeah, we're really going. Thank you so much for coming I really enjoy this. Let me get your shirt. I said I get you sure. What's that? Oh That was fun When I give him the shirt he was like You helped me understand Why I believe things. I'm like, that's cool. That's really cool. 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