 Meeting to order, first on the agenda is to approve the agenda. If I have any additives to the agenda this evening, I have a few things to add. One, I'd like to add a discussion with regards to the town constable. That maybe we could just do that at the beginning of the report's motions and ordinances. Lisa? So first? Yeah, I'll talk to you about this, but put it there. OK. Add that as the first item. What do you want to title that? Town Constable? Yeah, we're going to have two executive sessions tonight. The first one will be the executive session. We'll go over the goal-setting process for the town manager. And then the second executive session will be for personnel matters in regards to the board selection. The comment inquirer. Is there anybody in the red seats that has something that you've got around there? You start putting like four seats out there. It's going to waste my energy. The one time that you put four out, it would be 20, that would show up. That's what happened. Lisa, you have anything here? Why? You're the only one out there tonight, so. I'm not sick of this. I'm not sick. You can come back. You can come back any time. Sorry. So what? The, you know, spray is here because the guys who do the fire pit down, people have to go back. So as of last week, it's like, it's really spraying. If you're not, we'll move on. Our first item to be amended is gender discussion on the town constable. So Mark has, I sent this letter out to everybody on the email. Mark has given me his official resignation to effective as of April 21st, 2019. Mark is going to be moving on to the Windsor County Sheriff Department full time getting. So congratulations to him on that. Having said that, we are going to need to fill the position. He has somebody in mind that's actually going to take over his Rochester work. This guy is a, I've got his application here already, but he's a He's got all the credentials. He's working, going to be working in Rochester. He's working in Killington part time. So a potential applicant, my thought on this is that we would advertise. I'd like to do any other position. We were going to, I've got the ad rate to go put in the paper to be in this Thursday and then next Thursday and run it for two weeks. See if anybody else is interested. If not, we'll look into Oscar is his name. After is actually the guy who the software that Mark's been using for his reporting, this guy that created it has been working with it. So, but we'll run it for two weeks and then we'll come back to the board with what we found and the applicants we have or whatever and we'll go from there. Is that a board appointed position? So it's appointed, but it's a little different. It's appointed, but he's still considered it. So this position is actually eligible under state statute. This position is eligible for benefits. They type off and they know that. So you'll handle all the interviewing then? I can and then make a recommendation. Is that how we've done in the past? I don't think we're going to get probably any more than a couple. I can, I can, the tower you want me to do, I can do the interviews and then it's actually the board that makes the decision ultimately, but or we can have them come to a meeting and they can stand up and do their thing. And then we can make a decision right away. If we give one, that's how we're going to work. We'd like to work before. I think if we're making a decision, I'd like to sort of be part of the interview process or at least at some point. Would we like, would we like Greg to do the initial interviews up front with maybe a board member volunteered to be part of that? You know, would that make sense? And then, and then come with your. Should we maybe talk about, should we cross that bridge if we get a lot of applicants? I'm just not saying even with the one applicant, you know, I mean, just because we have one applicant doesn't necessarily mean that they're exactly what we want to do. So, is it going to be a long one? Are you looking to see if the one you can share are available for 50 to 20 hours a week to do the cost is? We can do that if you want to. The problem is in the past is like paying for your buck wise are expensive. You know, but. To get less hours out of the campaign. We wouldn't be responsible for their benefits. So, it might, it might be worth. Well, the thing is the train we're sitting on. Hardware too, you know. I understood that that has some value. Right. I mean, just my short time I've seen that we've paid to train Mark three times. We shared it, but we still we paid the training. He wasn't. We got no on the ground time that money. Or if you were to contract, I again, I would like to see the numbers. Because it could be really about a lot, but it's even close. But I don't think there's any harm in looking at the exercise of, you know, what would probably be Mark doing? What would Windsor County Sheriff's look at, you know, based on the hours of patrol that we look at now and then at the same time, put the ad in the paper and sorry. And then we could talk about it together. We're down both roads. I would like to see as we're down both roads. So what I would tell me if this works for you, it's going in the paper. It'll be in starting Thursday and it'll be in the following week. We have another meeting on the 22nd. Would that be if I brought the applications to you on the 22nd as well as yeah, any information that I found from Windsor County? Yeah, you can kind of go from there. That work? Yeah, that's fine. Okay, 22nd meeting. Yeah. Is it worth also, Paul Feeney kind of jumped into my head in this case. I know he retired from state police, but just reaching out to him to see I've already talked to his wife. Okay. I talked to her Saturday and she said she'll let him know. She said, I don't know if you'd be interested, but I mean, she'll talk to him. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing too, maybe to think about is what we do for coverage in the meantime. Do we know there's obviously going to be a lapse of coverage? We need to go as planned. Wouldn't he start entering someone? Mark's leaving on the 22nd, right? Right. I think we need to take turns standing outside of a hairdryer to see how that does. I can drive around in the vehicle. I can. I was driving around in the vehicle. You can do a park it somewhere. Yeah, we can do that too. Just park it, put the lights on for a couple of hours and come back later. Yeah, yeah. I mean parking it somewhere is not a bad idea. But no, not at all. It's a presence. Park it from the screen. No, that's what I'm at. You know, what I can do is bring that time. If we're not, if we don't have any real coverage, I'll just, I'll just drive the thing. If you guys are okay with that, I'll just drive it and then park it and go into the school in the morning around the time school gets in. And then later on in the afternoon, I'll just make a point to kind of be in those in those areas, at those kind of, I mean, if you want me to, it works. I mean, I know I see a cop. I slow down. I don't care if they're laid by a car or not. Right, right. And you know, to me, the areas that are most important are right around that school, when they go in the morning and when they get out. You've been there enough so folks know he's going to be there. And they see that vehicle. So, I mean, I can do that. I can have somebody else do it. I'd rather do it myself that way. It's just easier that way. But right. If you want me to, I can definitely do that just here and there and just kind of be a presence for half an hour or 45 minutes at a time or whatever. So what they worry about is, even if, you know, things go well, you know, we start looking at candidates on the weekend at 20 second, you know, it's going to be several weeks to get somebody on board. So there's probably going to be a month or more. Depending on who you choose, if you get coverage there. If this applicant, you guys are okay with, you can start tomorrow. If others come up that we have to do a little more research or whatever, then it would take a little longer, for sure. A little, who knows? I mean, you know, Phi might come up and say, yeah, this is great. I'm ready to go. I think we can get somebody to fill pretty quickly. I really do. Some kids are something out there, I think. Well, first thing that came to mind is that, you know, we're still in schools and sessions, so that's important to have a presence somehow. You know, and then just this weekend, I noticed that at some point this weekend, I noticed that the radar sign wasn't working. So just, you know, some of those things not the tourists that are starting. Yeah, and he does that and when he doesn't, I do it. We both watch over it because I've noticed the last couple of, maybe two to three weekends now, there's a lot more out-of-state vehicles traveling through our town than there has been in a while, so that's starting to pick up. Well, I could do that if you want me to. I could just kind of be a presence. Are there any legal issues that you're not trained as long? I'm not going to stop anybody. I'm just simply driving a car. I just want to make sure it's... Right. I'm not going to flash the lights. I won't do anything like that. I'm simply driving a car. What do we do? I used to have a police truck before. It was great. What do we do if there's an animal control issue in the... I can still hear it. I heard a select board chair. So do I get to drive the vehicle? Yeah. We can hit the whoops too. I'll be going around. There'll be dogs hanging out the windows. If we have an animal control issue, then we'll... I don't know if it would revert. We would find something. Maybe we can look at... The health officer might do it. And hint. Like I said, I'm getting the vehicle. Right. Maybe just find out the important things that... We can definitely get it covered. I mean, it doesn't have to be him. It can be somebody from the town, I'm sure. Whether it be a select board member or a town manager or somebody. Take care of the animal. Would he work on an on-call basis? Once he starts with Windsor County Sheriff's... I can ask. You know, an emergency. We'll get a dog issue type thing. Or is that not worth pursuing? He's going to be over 40 hours a week. So it's the likelihood of that, I think. I don't know. I don't know. I haven't asked. I don't know what his hours are going to look like. I'm not sure. But if this goes well, we can get this advertised quickly. I mean, we're on advertised for two weeks anyway. So we get a few candidates and have them... I can actually even send you the... I don't want to do that. It's always a meeting. But, you know, the next day I can have somebody come in. And if you made a choice even on the 22nd, if the board decided on somebody that they'd like to pursue, I can go after them that way. So at the next meeting, you'll bring the list of applicants. And the cost for Windsor County. And the cost for Windsor County. Is there anything else that... If there's just one, you might as well bring in two. Might. If we only get one. Yeah, I might do that. Do we want to have somebody behind the scenes from the board work with Greg on, you know, interviewing or looking at applications or... We don't want to do that. Well, what I'm thinking is if we get... Let's say five or six. I'll bring them to you that night and then we can decide if we want to move forward with a panel, an interview panel or whatever. I mean, it might delay a little bit, but I'd really do it that way than to jump the gun and put together a full interview panel for one person or two. Okay. Any further discussion on the item? I need you to. One of the things I'm going to bring up with the Select Board conference is there's a new department in the BLTC that handles law enforcement, consult consultation. They have a guy who's a 38-year officer. Now, he'll come and we'll have a constable or we'll have a police force. They've decided a law enforcement agency, so you have to conform to all these different policies and procedures and his background is to come in and help set all that stuff up through the BLTC. So maybe we might be able to look at the whole constable concept and get some advice from him about policies that we need to set up and talk about some of that a little bit later. We might be able to help out too. It was the Chief of Police in South Burlington and the Chief of Police in Barrie and he's about 38 years old. Well, being that we're going to be thinking of a change of the guard here anyways, right? One way or another, if it's, you know, hiring a constable, you know, maybe look at the sheriff's or whatever. It's probably a good time to have maybe have him come in and look at them, but we have a place now that we need to address any or amend any policies that we have probably time to do. All the overseas certifications and training and policy. How quickly can he come out here and do this? I don't know. Because we're called. We need his contact information there. Okay. Can I get a motion to accept his resignation? My turn to down. Does that mean he's going to stay? Well, I've decided that. Yes, the technical. No, we're not accepting the invitation. Decided. Here you go. Next on the agenda is the reappointment of C. C. Washburn as Cemetery Commissioner. Yeah, so this is the last of our our appointed positions that we've worked on a few right after town meeting. And this is the last one that I can find that we haven't officially, there is some other ones that I do. So they don't really require an annual light road commission or something like that. But Cecil's is actually a one year, every year you're supposed to reappoint him. He has no problem doing this. Move to reappoint Cecil Washburn as Cemetery Commissioner. Okay. Okay. Let's have it. Just the next item up. This is a little update on health officer activity, which the biggest one we had was the Sergeant property, which it's gotten a little bit more complicated, but in the short term, it will probably be easier in the long term, but they've decided to evict the residents of the property. So at this point, as a town, it becomes a little complicated. So I'd gone to do a follow up, a follow up interview of the home. But at this point, the eviction, the people are going to be out by the end of the week this week. So it kind of goes from working with him and getting through the upgrades to the residents to now what I'll have to come back to the word on the 22nd one is we'll have to write a health notice at this point, now that there won't be occupants there, I'll have to write a health notice up and it has to be approved by the select board to be put on the residents that basically says until everything is brought up to code, you can't rent or sell the property. So that's kind of where we're at. So I'm just waiting for the official, the tenant's leave, I'll go up there, have a meeting with him, and then at the next meeting, we'll have a health notice, we'll have to sign this board, and then I'll go up and post it. And then at that point, it's just monitoring the property to switch its hands. I actually reached out to Neil to see if he could write it up because I haven't done one before, and then either him or my wife will bring it to the board next time. So that's where that one's at. So there's... So Neil's writing it up? I've talked to Neil, one of us either Neil and myself will write it up, and we'll have it as an action item at the next board meeting. Any other discussion in regards to that one? That's unfortunate. Does that have to give him a 30-day notice? In this state, I'm sure they're going to sit there for a while, if they choose to. It's, you know, one of those as the town, you know, as a representative of the town, it's not her, you know. So I gave them information in regards to where they can reach out for help to the state, you know, and then at that time it was just really the follow-up policy which is to now not allow the residents to be rented or sold until it's fixed. So this grounds for eviction is the need for repair. That's what we're going to do. Yeah, it could be whatever, and it's nothing for us to get into and get involved in. Right, because we're in the process, because we already have a health notice in order to notice, you know, how they're going to be selling it. And they do that just so that someone can't get at it. Like, you know, you know, I get to fix all this up and decide to qualify just to be the people. Probably goes away. I don't rent to someone else, but it's not the way it goes. But I don't think he has any intentions of re-renting or selling it. Formality is what I'll put it on. And next, Paul won a little bit of time to speak in regards to the spring select board conference through the way that he just recently did. He wanted to give us a little bit of information and update what's going on there. I've sent out a copy of this vendor. I'm going to focus on it. So I just want to run that through a few things. There were 133 people signed up for this. And probably 90, they had to show a hands and probably 90% of them were new people. First time folks coming to this board. So, and they threw a lot of information out of us for the whole day. It's a whole lot of stuff in DOTC. I just want to roll through a few things. The first section was the select board roles and responsibilities. And we've all been through that. We've looked through the book and stuff. But they told us how to use the green books. The green books are all the statutes that are on file at the town office. So if you need to look up ordinances, if you're looking at changing an ordinance or whatever, you can go to those books and look at the statutes specifically for that. So it kind of taught us how to do that a little bit. Then the Abbey Framing gave us an overview of just what the VLTC does. And we're all kind of familiar with it, but it's everything from legal to financial town officer, health officer training, Lister and BCA training, and what we're going to next month. So she did her presentation. Then the next one was all about open meeting law. And we all know about having three of us in the same place discussing business and how we need to stay away from that. But it also applies to any sort of social media, Facebook, front porch forum, if any two or three comment on something, it's considered a violation of the meeting. And one thing they've mentioned is a specific example. If I'm walking down the street and I see a mole and we talk about something that's that we're going to be discussing on the agenda, and then later on I'm going to see Linley and you talk to Linley about it. It's considered a violation of the meeting. So it's not just three people in one place. It's three people connected. It could be connected into the same conversation. Email as well, right, Paul? Email as well is one of the big things. So you send an email and I comment. You send more email and he can't load it. You send Linley an email and she can't load it. We're all in the same conversation. That's a violation of the open meeting law. Boy, they've changed that since I was on the school board. That's not an operation. Well, that was one of the things I was surprised about. One of the fellows stood up and asked that question specifically because they had gotten somebody, you know, chances of it happening are slim, but it's just something you need to be aware of. And I will say that BLCT is very conservative, very conservative. So anything that's potential violation there, you've got to call. And this was all given. This presentation was done by the staff attorneys, some of the three of them up there. Pretty dry stuff. I don't know. Anyway, they talked about deliberative sessions versus executive sessions, how we need to go in and out of executive sessions, citing statutes, things like that. We also talked about conflict of interest, policies that we need to have in place. Public records. The Public Records Act is now getting a lot of attention for wanting to come in and view files. We need to have a policy in place and we need to have public records. Public records act is now getting a lot of attention and we need to have a policy in place that talks about how we handle it when somebody comes in who gets a copy, how much they charge. Do we have a policy on that? Now, it's a public records request policy that we would have. The clerk has got something sort of, because the clerk just, they have something already in place, but we don't have anything official like that. And of course, BLTC has a template which you can take off the website. So that was a big thing that they talked about. Then they talked about having a conflict of interest, bias, and ex parte communication policies. And I know we have some of those from 2015, but we don't have the whole, they have a whole new template for it. And ours do not apply because ours are included in the personnel policy, which you guys are not under. They don't apply to you. So I think what Paul's talking about is not only organization-wide, but also the select board specifically. I mean, we talked about the ex parte stuff, with the BCA and tax assessments and things. So then we had lunch. It was all right. It was not the right time. And then the next presentation was from a passive living insurance wing of BLTC. So this fellow went through the whole risk management services that they provided. We're members of the passage, and they take advantage of all the stuff that they get into. They get into any kind of insurance, workman's cop stuff, insurance on buildings, just anything along the line to the insurance. So then they did a three-and-twenty-minute presentation. We split up into three groups, and the presentations came to us. And the first one was the municipal road general permit status, which is something Greg's deep in right now, talking about what was going to be required for the next couple of three years, as far as documentation and a plan in place. But they also have training and grants that we can take advantage of, all sorts of things that we can get from them. This fellow Jim Ryan was, I don't know if we've talked to him specifically, but he's got it all covered. They can give us all sorts of information about that. The next lady was Jill Muir, and she was Human Resources at BLTC. So she gave a presentation about what they do, and it's everything from, you know, if you have an employee that you have to terminate, you're going through that process. Harassment policies, hiring and firing, maternity leave, all that type of stuff, any information that we need about that, that's the lady that we call. She can give us all the guidance that we need. And they also have resources that if we do have a situation where there's an employee that would need to be terminated, they have legal folks that work in her department also that you can get three hours of free consultation from them about the procedures that go through the dates. So she was very interested in her consultation program. Then the last fellow that came up was this Trevor Wippert who's the law enforcement consultant. And again, he can do everything that we need to have as far as policies and procedures, training and all that, because we are considered a law enforcement agency because we have a constable. Even if it's part-time, you have to conform to these policies and procedures. So he can come in, he just finished up and ran off when they decided to go to the ones that counted on these. They had all this equipment, they had no idea what it was or what it was worth or what to do with it. And he went in and saw all the ways to deal with all that equipment stuff. So then the last thing we had was Karen Poren. She's the lady who puts together this weekly legislative report that folks get to copy of that. And she went through the whole thing and she updated us on some of the bills that are going through the State House right now that we might be interested in. One of them is this rental housing. The big thing that's happening is the town health officers are getting tied up with rental complaints from landlord-tenant complaints. And the THOs don't feel that they're qualified to be able to make some of these decisions like you found when you were trying to come up with times of dates and things like that. So they're looking at spinning off the rental part into a separate entity so you would have a different group of people to talk to and a different, I don't know if it would be a different officer or if somebody come up to you and they come down and do the rent. So that's one that's in the works right now. And then, what was the other one? The Clean Water Act, they're talking about funding is still up in the air on that. Testing for poly, floral, lakalite, the PFA's in all the drinking water, all the towns, it's gonna be a big thing that's coming up. So there's a discussion about that. So that's just basically what we went over. It was very informative. I had my doubts when I first went in, but it was very informative. And I met a lot of folks too from the other towns. Some towns have a town major, others don't, so there's different forms of government there and everybody's got a problem with consolidation and the list goes on and on. So that was pretty cool. I've got all the more detailed information if anybody wants to peruse through it. Let me know. Further discussion here is that. Questions? So we'll move on to the winter maintenance. It was two Fridays ago? Yeah. You guys went over your evening thing? Yeah. I didn't see anything in hand out on that, but maybe you want to go over kind of how that evening went or what comments came from that? I thought it went really well. We sat down with all the guys and Paul and Mo were there, kind of went over what we thought worked and what we thought didn't work. I think the biggest discussion that came out of it was, one was equipment. And two was this idea of going to sand in a large portion of town as opposed to salt and the guys seemed to support it, I think. It did, it will require some other summertime work, declare some of the sand berms and things like that over the year. They think they can do half a town every other year and kind of do it on a two-year rotation. But to me, that's kind of the larger items that came out of it. There were some other discussions about overtime and things like that that were more just managerial type things. But as far as the policy stuff, because that was kind of my intent with this, is we're looking at doing a snow removal policy. So I wanted to see if there was anything that could come out of this that might be even writing that. And I think that that was part of it. I think there was some discussion about having a set because I know Alan, some of the stuff that Alan talked about was he has a hard time judging because he has limited input to call guys out when to get everybody rolling. So I think one of the things we talked about was standardizing that a little bit and saying, okay, we're going to be at the garage is where we're going to determine when we get however much snow. And the board at the board level will set what that threshold is, whether it's two inches or three or four, whatever. But we are doing that from a standardized location, which is the garage. So Alan will go to the garage and he'll measure it. And if it hits that threshold, then he'll call the guys out and we'll start rolling. There was some discussion about doing it that way. There was some discussion about just doing it on a scheduled basis where from 10 o'clock at night to 4 in the morning, 5, whatever that time is, we don't roll at all. Regardless of what the snow, how much snow is falling. Didn't get as much warm and fuzzy on that one because I think in these large storms that are going all night long, the guys felt it was a little hard to keep up. It could be that snowing extremely hard during that time, they come in and there's eight to 10 inches of snow on the ground. They're going to be way behind on that. So I think they felt that just having a more standardized approach because in this town it's just, you know, you guys have been here a little longer than me, but in one spot it could be eight inches of snow down in front of somebody else's house. Nothing. There's no way that Alan or anybody else is going to know how to determine what's really going on. So to standardize and say, okay, look, this is what we're going to use as our benchmark and this is where we're going to take it from. So I think those items to me were the bigger items that came out of the whole thing. I think we all understand that we need the right equipment to do the job. That's a whole nother issue and a whole nother capital fund that I'm working on right now and trying to move money around and trying to move things around because I think we all agreed that the one time is not the right vehicle, that it's killing us. So that's something I'm working on. I will be presenting you with another idea, another kind of plan, if you will, on how to get the right equipment in the right places and still make the dollar stretch as far as it can. So Paul, Mo, I don't know if there's anything else that you guys really came out of it. I thought it was really good to have everybody there because there was input from all the whole group. Right, the guys all joined in, yeah. Yeah, that was a good part. Everybody had an idea or a little piece of a pie to give you a lot of information about the equipment idea that you had going and maybe got a look at something different. There was some discussion about the belly plate. It's something, not snow removal anyway, but something that they think would be an advantage for us. It makes them all feel good if they think they're part of the... Right, and they should think. Something that I reiterated to them was we need you to participate. We need you to be the eyes and ears on the ground out there, the boots on the ground. So what you see and what you're communicating back to Alan and myself is essential because he can't drive these roads 24 hours a day. He just can't do that. So I hope that it really instilled in them a little more... a little more of the idea that they're an active participant in this and not just a guy doing a job. So I think it went really well. I really do. I haven't heard much from the guys. They're not going to tell me much, but I think some good ideas came out and some really good discussions came out about what do we need to do. Again, I think some of the ideas that we had, I think that they're supporting that. They have no problem with that. The same thing. I've actually got a grant that I'm writing. It's a passive grant, part of that Paul was talking about for equipment. It's a small equipment grant. The idea is to get a bucket loaded, a bucket mounted blower that allows to blow leaves and debris and stuff out of the ditches and help clear our ditches. But part of that, we actually thought to fix the sand issue because what the guys are concerned with is sand accumulating under the guardrails and it creates a burn there. So all we do is we nozzle this blower down and we just point it at that and just shoot that stuff down the bank because the guardrails are usually where there's a drop off behind it. So it'll just shoot it right out so we can just use the same equipment to blow those things out and not have any issue with it at all. I really don't. They blew out the ditches last year with one thing burrowed somewhere, I believe. I thought it was a good... You know, and we're going to rock line. I mean, with this storm water permit that the state's talking about, it basically says that almost every single ditch has got to be rock lined. If there's any significant slope at all which, you know, look where we are living, you've got to rock line it. And you cannot... There's no way to maintain that other than to blow that stuff out of there. That blows the sand out, it blows everything out. So I think it's a... I definitely think that the sand I did is gaining some traction. I really do. The guy supported... Everybody supports it from what I've talked to so far. It's just going to take a little work to see if it's something that we can make happen. Did find out that the trucks will do salt as well as sand. They just... They prefer not to use the salt because it's just tougher to do and it takes a little work to... Well, there are leaks, like gaps in the back of the truck. Yeah. And in there, I think where it discharges and it's the spinners, it's just not quite as good as it would be with sand. But... So anyway, I thought it was good. I really did. I've got some ideas that I can now start moving towards some sort of a policy with, bring it to the board and get the specifics all put in place. But everybody's on board with it as far as the policy part, standardizing this. I think that's what the guys want because it's kind of a hit and miss deal. And for Alan, it's the same way. He just doesn't always know. So this standardizes it a little bit more for them and allows them to all be on the same page, I guess. Can I ask a question about the standardizing? Just you were going through it quickly, so you might be thinking about this, but immediately what popped into my head is if we're setting a threshold of an inch or two inches or whatever, what about days where it's more about iciness or things? Are there going to be exceptions within that standardize? Sure. Okay. Yeah, and that'll be a separate section. And again, the policy, I know the policy word gets thrown around, but the policy is not meant to be a staunch set that way. It can be, it's general guidelines, if you will. Maybe that's what we use as the word guidelines or something if it makes people feel a little better about it. We're not basically saying that it's got a snow of two inches before we do anything. If it's dangerous and the department as well as the leadership have the liberty to make a call that if they find that it's a safety issue, we're out. No matter what's on the ground. Most of it I was looking for was can they make those judgment calls? Yes. We're not forcing them into these boxes. No, I don't know. The outside of the box happens. They can only make those calls. Yeah, that would be integrated into that. Allowing, there's got to be some leverage to allow them to make judgment calls, but I also want those numbers in there so that they have something to back themselves up when they're not doing it. And it's just snow and there's two inches of snow or there's less than that. They need something to help them out, you know, to protect them as well as to protect the town. Maybe we don't go with that. Maybe we all decide, the board decides that we don't want to do those thresholds and we just want to, you know, we need to have it somewhat closed in to somehow. It can't be so open that it's open to complete interpretation because then it becomes just a mess. Well, that's what we're fighting now. That's what we have now. We have three paragraphs that basically says we'll go out and plunge through the roads. That's all it says. So there's got to be a balance. But we'll definitely integrate in the ability for the highway department as well as the management to make a call if it's a, an absolute safety concern or something like that. Yeah. And I think it's, you know, it's imperative that we have some sort of guideline in place. And, you know, we don't want to think policy because policy is just, you know, confining to, you know, exactly. But to have a guideline that the, that the public work staff understands that this is the way that we're going to do things unless the supervisor says differently. Right. Right. So, I mean, some things I've been, I've been asking a lot of questions to other towns and people that I know that do work for other towns. More so other than some of like the, you know, mobiliars of the world or something like that, that do a lot of salt in the downtowns. A lot of towns of our, our size are doing a lot of sanding in the downtowns. So they'll sand their roadway through town as well as their parking lots. And they save their salt for the most part for sidewalks, doing sidewalks. Not just saying that they salt all their sidewalks, but the majority of their sidewalks they salt. Or, or when they have icy conditions, you know, if that means you get a haul load up on the mountain road because it's clear ice and we have to do that kind of deal. But that, just kind of going through that, some of the things we'll have to look at is, you know, if we do offset some sand or salt, what will we have to put in the budget for maybe some extra sweeping costs in the spring, as well as, you know, would we have to go in and clean the ice, the drainage structures out here or would it be a, you know, every other year type event. So we'll have to figure out what that cost is to do that because the sand will plug up your, you know, your drainage and the things, as well as, you know, you brought up like winter sand, the guard rails and things like that that will have to be addressed. Yeah, I just wouldn't recommend that we sand through the village where the curb gutters are because it's going to, you know, you tend to fill that curb line up with sand that obstructs the flow of water. That's why I think that we talked about not doing. Having sand basically on all the asphalt except the village, through the core where there's curb gutter, all the way through the place that we, I would refer not to do it. There's endless there as well. Just on these hillsides, hillsides where we're going to do it. Right, right, right. Those would be some of the most of sand. Yes. Yeah. So would the town crew essentially do sort of a map of where, where we would shift out of salt use and where we would keep salt use? We could. We've already got our, now that's something else we talked about was looking at the routes again and seeing if we can make it a little bit better. Essentially, everywhere that Morgan goes, Morgan's routes for the most part would be the salt but we would determine that. We would have some sort of a map for sure. And again, it's a guideline, you know, because the idea is up on the mountain up there. We may use salt or sand until we get an opportunity to use salt so that we can cut through it and get it down to asphalt. Because that's, ideally that's what we want is bare asphalt but we don't want to have to keep that standard all the time. So just having a map that says this is the only place we're going to use salt won't necessarily work. But I think we could say, you know, in a typical storm we're going to, the areas that will be salted will be the core, just the core village or something like that. And then say everything else will be sanded until such time that the town feels that salt will allow for complete clearing the road or something like that. So it's not something that you use salt almost to designate your zones that would typically be one or the other? Yeah. Yes. And again, those areas are just here in town, the side roads, and we're Morgan runs because he's the one who has the, he's got the right equipment for salt. So anyway, that's kind of the thought, I think. Chris, you got more over there. You know, I mean, I think, I mean, it's always going to be a touchy subject especially with, you know, you're going to have some of the taxpayers that, you know, don't want to see us spending so much for materials and we have some of them that are going to, as soon as we don't plow there's too much snow out there for six hours and they're going to get a million phone calls into the office. So we're going to have that. But at least if we have some sort of guidelines in place and what would be nice is somehow we can establish these guidelines really for, you know, like July 1st and it may be even somehow distribute those guidelines into the town somehow. That's, you know, putting on the website or maybe getting on one page and putting in a utility bill or what, you know, how are we going to get that information out and just kind of prepare people and say, listen, you know, next, you know, six months from now, you know, we're winter heads. This is what to expect, you know, so you can prepare yourselves. Because again, we kind of, you know, we don't have a Barrow Roots policy nor can we afford a Barrow Roots policy in this town. However, it's kind of been a Barrow Roots policy for several years and people have gotten accustomed to that. And in return, you know, maybe some of the people that used to have studded snow tires now don't have, you know, so there's got to be things that they're going to have to, you know, understand or, you know, or the places that maybe used to have to wait, you know, maybe during those late night hours if there's only two inches of snow, you know, they understood that. You know, now they see a truck go by, so they're used to, you know. So those are all things that will, you know, I think if we get the information out there with regards to if they like it or not, if we get the information out there early, I think that will go a long ways. But as we, you know, as we've saw this winter, it's just not sustainable for us. And, you know, I think we all hope that this was a, you know, an atypical or not an atypical winter here. But, you know, I can tell you that our town can't afford to pay yearly $165,000 for salt and sand, you know, when it should be half that somehow. And we get, you know, that right there is three or four cents on the taxing. So, you know, somehow we've got to get ourselves more into that balance of, you know, more sand, less salt, even if that requires another couple of grand worth of sweep in and, you know, cleaning out DI's and stuff like that if it saves us money. So, and the salt prices are only going to get more and more expensive. There was a shortage just here, so it's going to go up again. And it's not like we have the luxury of having an assault storage area here where we can buy up in the years we use it, we do, but here we have to kind of buy as needed so we can't store it or, you know, do anything with it. So, but, and then I think, you know, looking at it, it's going to be really important that, you know, that we get, not necessarily get, but reorganize our equipment so that it's being used as properly as possible on the right roads, you know. If that, you know, the one ton up on the mountain really doesn't make a lot of sense, but if we can move that somewhere else and then use one of the big trucks you know, if we can move equipment until we can afford to a capital fund to, you know, next time around buy a larger piece of equipment or a swapper or something else or the, I mean, as we just found out, you know, it was kind of looking through the end of the, you know, we've pretty much paid for our winter costs. You know, we, we were, we were a hundred and fifty, we're about seventy grand over on salt and sand from, you know, budgetary. That's Sam Smith's meeting because they bought extra and actually they got left over as the extra and they got it left there. Do they? Because? Pretty much. Remember last year they had a big haul? Yeah. That's filled. So that makes me the surplus that they bought this year. That's good. That's the Smith's meeting, I think. I think that, you know, other than the salt, I think that the other thing that just kind of worried me over this, this winter was just the equipment breakdown cost was just, you know, I mean, in some cases you can't even put a number to that and I'll get the vehicles down. And in some cases it wasn't down, you know, it was down for a warrantied item, you know, but when that's down it has to be replaced. And we're running that new truck harder and I would say probably thirty five percent of what they actually fixed, you don't see there because we didn't ask. So there's a ton of stuff the guys are doing to save this money and it's still amazing how much we spent. Yeah. And I think obviously there, we talked about the last meeting where there was one new employee that came on, right at the start of the things, you know, there's probably some training opportunities to do between now and next winter to better train. He's already signed up for four classes. Drivers, so they don't hit mailboxes. Signed up for four classes. Mailboxes are something. You know, it's never really the mailbox it breaks, it's the post. So we can't control a lot of the post. So, but, you know, I think the more training we can do and the right, you know, I think some of this is probably, you know, how much wear and tear we're putting on a piece of equipment that maybe didn't need to have that type of... Maybe, yeah. Tours on it, you know. But then if you go look at that equipment, that's not new stuff. No. That's not just rusted to the ground. There's some stuff to it. Yeah, absolutely. You guys are fighting years and years of no preventative maintenance. Yeah. The runway pile has been in service for... 30. 30 years. Yeah. And it looks like it's supposed to be. Yeah. And welded and welded. Got seven or eight cracks on the frame. Yeah. So where would we go? Where's our next step with developing this guide line? Well, I can put together a draft guideline, put in whatever numbers that I fill, and you guys can take a look and I'll send it to you. We don't need to do that at me. I'll send it to you and have you give me feedback and we'll go from there. That's kind of the plan. If there's anything specific that you want to see in it, please email me. If there's anything that you think you really want, that would be perfect. I can just incorporate that into the document and we'll see what spits out the other side. Yeah. I think on my end, just kind of, you know, where were the areas that we would use certain material. And then based on our roots that we have in store, you know, which piece of equipment we'll be using and which roots to best serve our needs. And then kind of what would be the guidelines for certain items and that might be an overnight snowstorm of two inches, you know, will we just not plow it until the morning? You know, if it goes greater than a certain amount, we'd well plow it. We even talked about, I don't know if you guys remember, but kind of using the weather forecast too, because it always tells, it tries to tell us how lucky accumulation levels are. And so that, and I know the guys use that, of course, it says it from, you know, 8 o'clock at night until 11, it's going to snow three inches per hour. That's typically when they're like, well, we need to be rolling. So that's another piece of this that we can try to, kind of, what I really want to get out of this, at least one of the bigger parts of this, I want to get out of this is somehow, like you say in standardizing, which is probably the wrong word, but making it a little more simplified so that the guys know when they're expecting to roll. You know, and I know it's Alan's call, but he needs to know, okay, it's Alan's call based off what criteria, you know. I think that's a really important part of this whole thing. And these are general guidelines, I get that, but that's why I keep saying if we standardize a location or if we, and maybe we don't do that, I don't know, but because what I know is that we're going to hear is, it may be snowed an inch at the shop, but in front of my house, I got four inches. I'm calling up, why the hell are you not at my place? You know, so what I want the guys to be able to do is say, well, ma'am, sir, this is why we're not, because whatever, because the location that we've designated to check our depth, it hasn't gotten to that threshold or whatever. So kind of like that is what I really want here. Most of the guys know their roots, so if they know there's an inch at the town garage and there's a flaking score, they all know their roots, they know it's going to be more of a harder relation. But I want them to have something from the board when that person calls up and says, I've got four inches at my place, why aren't you here? That they can say, well, you know, according to whatever. But you're mostly talking what we're calling like off-duty hours, because on-duty, on-duty you're attending to, you know, you're eight hours during the daytime, you're attending to that. We're talking like the 9 p.m. to 5 a.m., you know. Exactly. Do we go out if it's only two inches? Right. When do we, exactly. So at what point do we get to that point where we justify the overtime, we justify the equipment use and everything else? Because the important issues that used to be, the important issues were to make sure that the school routes were plowed so that the kids, you know, can get to school as well as your commuting traffic to and from work. So if you're covering that, which normally is between the hours at, say, 5 a.m. and 5 p.m., if you can cover that 12-hour stretch, the other 12 hours is kind of off-duty time that then you have a policy that says only if it reaches the threshold are we coming out. And maybe it says something like, you know, from the hours of 8 p.m. to 4 a.m., we don't roll unless it's, unless we, the snow is accumulating more than An inch an hour. Two inches an hour or whatever it is, whatever it is. Maybe that is the way, because I'm going to get the guys involved too with this guideline to see if this isn't even reasonable. Is this feasible to say that we're not going to roll while it's snowing an inch an hour for five hours? Five, six, seven, eight. What is that line where you say I can't keep up? Because that's what we don't want to do, is put them behind hateful and say you're not going to roll all nine and then you're going to come in and have to catch up. So, but maybe that's what we need to work through and I'll try to do that in my head and bring it to you, but any feedback you got that you want to see, we can add to it and then we'll just discuss it as we go. Maybe that's the way to do it. We kind of incorporate the accumulation numbers as well as the time, day kind of thing. That in the off time, when the guys are not there, it has to be an accumulation of this much or per hour accumulation of this much or whatever. So at least they've got, I just want them to have a set of guidelines to support them when they're getting these calls from people for not getting the service. I think you're going to have to add a specific guideline for the mountain, because that is the highest place in town. It could be a foot up there and nothing here. But bigger is it's a town to town route that might get, gets traffic 24 something where my road, you know, there might be that six hour window, there's nobody on a road anyway. But that road, I'm just, why don't you think about it? You know, I get you. Yeah, but the tough part that I get David is that's a class three road, just like the other class three roads in town. I get people going, why the hell are you plowing that all day long and all night when I get nothing over here? That's a good argument really. I think we need to fix, I think we need to figure out a way to fix that. Yeah. Yeah. And that's no way, because I understand a class two road is to conduct a major artery that joins two towns. Yeah. And I've tried to even get that road back, which would be, to me, a deal to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's exactly right. So it goes back to that standard of service that we need to talk about also. These people are used to the top of the world, and maybe we need to be a little... So, when the state police call, say, you've got to come up here and do this. No, we don't. Class three road policy says no. Bang go. So you call Mr. State's attorney or whoever the hell you want to talk to and talk about getting this road designated so that it can get... Yes. But I think, you know, let's get this information out early. And if we have something in there that says, you know, what we claim to be off-duty times, that here's our guideline on coming out during those times, people can prepare themselves. Because the most important thing for us is to make sure that the kids can get to school and that the taxpayers can get to and from work, right? I mean, that's kind of the most important thing. And the first responders can get to school. Those responders, yes, they love that. I don't understand they get a lot of calls. Yeah. Oh, that's a big part of it. I mean, it's every road. Yeah, you never know. Those guys have pretty good vehicles and pretty good tires. They'll go through the log rack. Of course, you know, when I was a kid, they used to put chains on those. Nowadays, they don't put chains on those, you know. I have chains with me. Well, again, anything you have for me, the more I give, the better. Yeah. That I can put this thing together. Just email it to me. Yeah. Or to put something together. Well, I think it's important that we look towards, you know, shifting that needle to the other direction and then engaging that and finding our happy. Yeah, sure. Because kids can't keep full throttle on this side. It's just, you know, we end up having more winners or a majority of winners like that. It's, you know, like I said, it's three, four cents on the tax rate just to put that extra material out there every year. Right. You know, plus, you know, then you get overtime and you get the breakdowns of equipment because you're using it more and, you know, all that stuff. Yeah, it's not sustainable. And your vehicles won't last long and, you know, so. So what we're going to plan on having this kind of debriefing meeting after that, I'd like to do it every year. I think that would work good, you know, in April. We'll just plan on doing it every year in April and see how things went. I think we'll, you know, we'll work well. And you can adopt these guidelines with the input from our public works employees. I think that will go a long way. But that was the intent because I want to make sure that what I'm proposing is feasible. Well, they'll buy into it as well. Yeah. So I think that's just like. And some of them will actually be their own ideas, which is good. Just like the debriefing. It sounds like that went well. And I think if you do the same thing on this, I think it's going to be some good buy-in. That's the point. So when do we want to have a deadline on, you know, having this guideline in place so that we can fair war in the public? And then that way we can come back. We're going to be taxable together. Oh, jeez. You would have asked me. I don't know. September. So it's at least before people are thinking about it. September. Well, you get some people. That would be the best thing for sure. Winter tire season usually is September-October, right? Usually October, right? It's the last minute. But then there are some cases of people that, you know, a thousand dollar set of tires, you know, could take them a few months to save up for that, to put them off, you know. So, you know, where is that sweet spot to get them thinking about winter and, you know. And I think it's important to let people know that they are an active participant in this. It's not. And I don't want to be rude to say this, but it's not necessarily the town's job to make a road passable for you in your summer-tired car with front-wheel drive. That's not the case. I mean, this is a partnership. You know, they have responsibilities here also. And I think if we let people know that that's what we're kind of going for, we're going to do the best we can with what we got. But they have a stickiness, too. And that's being prepared for the place they live. I hope that you all feel the same, because I do. Well, maybe that could even be on that one page that informs them about the guidelines of the, you know, here are the tips for, you know. Yeah. And because we send that out again. You know, VTrans does a tips for winter driving kind of thing that we send out on Facebook and all that. But, you know, I just think people are getting to the point where they feel that that's the standard. Right. And that they can get away with, I think you've mentioned it, you can get away with not having the equipment you should have because of the standard they're living in. That's not, that's just not going to happen anymore, hopefully. So you're thinking how long to, you said that at the next meeting you'll have some sort of... Did I say that? I don't think I said that. I don't think I said that. Well, I think it's going to be kind of an evolving thing. It depends, honestly, on how quickly you guys can get me stuff, how fast I can get it all integrated. Probably I'll take a couple of three runs at it before we... At least. I can get it back. And we should probably put into that, you know, once we have a good working draft of it, you know, not really early, but not at the end, but we should probably have a meeting that's fairly warned well through public comment and voice their opinions on, you know, once we have a draft out there, this is kind of what we're thinking, and we can have our meeting where everybody shows up and get input from the public at that time. How about May 13th, April, May? For you to have a draft to us. Yes. Or May 27th. Yeah. And then once we kick that around maybe by the end of May we can have some sort of... I was thinking along the lines of just a deadline for getting the information. Yes. If we're going to mail it with the utility bill, that would be the deadline. You know, it would have to be whatever... I don't know when the utility bill... Not the utility bill. It would be due at the tax bill. Because the utility bill is only going to get a small segment of every one of the people. So we ought to do the tax bill. And I don't know what the tax bill... It doesn't go until September, does it? Well, the first tax is due in August, I believe. Yeah. Yeah, because we're online. Yeah. Yeah. So they probably go out in July. So that might work out just right. So we want... So if I get to do you by May 27th, we've got all of June. So at some point in June, we can have a... In part of July. Invite the public in to talk about our draft that we have at that point. Will that work? Yeah. So May 27th? That's my birthday. May 27th, you talked about this in June, but I'll never forget that. Happy birthday. Let's discuss... Yeah. Yeah. Woo-hoo. Okay. Good. So yeah, just everybody, if you could get things to me within the next two, three weeks, please. Any ideas? And we'll all incorporate everything. I think we're going to have a smaller pair of horses. Good day. Anybody have any comments in regards to the winner maintenance discussion? We... I had asked to put on the bump out. I figured I'd open that can of water less. But I have... You're the only one who likes them. That was... Those are pair... I enforced behind this. Those are unedited comments that we got on. I love the idea. The idea was fabulous. That must be yours. Yeah, it must be. I don't know. So the discussions are starting to... One of my friends the other day had jokingly put it on Facebook about can't wait for the bump out, the picture of Jason installing it. And then there comes this slew of like a million comments of which 80% of them weren't possible. So it was just kind of like, we had talked about... So this whole came along. It was the first, what I'm going to say, the first step on the BRI, which was the downtown streets project that went on... What was it? 2016? Two... Two... September's ago. And then this was the bump outs were a follow up to a portion of that. So the bump outs were an AARP grant, I remember right, that there was nothing out of the town's pocket on the initial purchase of the bump outs other than to install them and to uninstall them in the fall. And then there was the pops and flowers which I believe were donated by the downtown's businesses and other identities had put their own money into them last year. We had said that we would revisit the idea a year after because it was, I only used the word trial, but it was an ongoing project that we were doing that we would before every year, we'd kind of get some comments on it. I guess my concern was I didn't realize people were hitting them as often, even just this. Number one and number two, to get a first responder to be concerned about getting through town, concerned me. I don't know if it's just someone being mad, I don't know about it. I read them through several times and a bunch of them, the way they were worded, we were like, we don't even listen to that one because... Right. Right. Some of these things were like, ooh. I mean, I think, like you were just joking about, apparently I was the driving force behind them, but there's a lot of incorrect information out there that all takes one person to say something and now they're all saying, these are impeding our flow of traffic, which if you go out and measure the, if you go measure the bump outs, so your normal driving lane and the bump outs are installed, it's the same. So technically, it's nothing, we're not impeding traffic, other than the idea, it's a visual response to the driver to say, things look narrower, they're not narrower, but things look narrower and I'm going to slow down and then slowing down through the downtown, it's going to create less noise downtown. I mean that was kind of a, mostly now it has some other benefits of which that we found out too that lots of, the vehicles do slow down, so pedestrian safety is better. They do allow the pedestrians to step off of the curb and step, what I'm going to say, in front of the bump outs, so they can be seen in between the cars better before they move across the road, so those are some of the benefits to them. A couple of, you know, if you come prepared with the statistics of them, I think the biggest issue that we do have are those that are hard to see at night. I mean we had talked about a little bit last year, some of the board members on, if there was a way maybe we could get some reflectivity, stickers or strips to go on that, because at night time they are hard and I think, I find it hard to believe that anybody's hitting those during the daytime, but maybe it's more at the nighttime. I've seen people who go over a moment during the daytime. I mean, especially the one down in the middle where those flowers weren't there anymore, from Richardson's store there, and the flowers were parked up smashed or whatever and so there's nothing there. It brings up the issue though, that then they're backing up into a crosswalk, which isn't legal to begin with, so I feel like sure they're, and I agree that they're a little bit hard to see and easier to accidentally drive over, but it's the driver's responsibility to be aware of their surroundings. If they hit a car, it's not the town's responsibility. So how does it become the town's responsibility if they forward or backward? I think just, it was easier to see them in the possible area, the flowers were bright and shiny and you could actually see them there and then the reflectivity issue. I heard about that. And I just wanted to briefly, just so that we kind of have it on record, but I just wanted to read through a couple of, I know everybody got the feedback, you know, that Greg had put together and there's probably a lot of other comments that are very similar to it, but just wanted to read through some of them just so that no people know what's out there, but, you know, comments about that the Bethel downtown's already too narrow so that these make it narrower. You know, there are comments in here about it being ugly, which I think initially they were good looking and then after people ran pots over and things like that, they didn't look as nice. There's a lot of comments in here about waste of tax dollar and money. There are other comments in here about add the character to the town, what people can do to volunteer their time to to maintenance the flowers and pots or, you know, it as well. There's some comments in here that Bethel isn't Woodstock. I wouldn't say that we want to be Woodstock, but I would say that we are trying to do positive things to to shift focus to our downtown, you know, so, you know. In here now, we're going to see a lot of people get to town when it gets warmer. I mean, I already see it on an almost daily basis and I think as it gets warmer, they're going to walk in to go to the grocery store and talk to people. Do you know if the BRI ever got, they were talking last year about the AERP having in their budget money to get us some crosswalk signage. That green retro reflective crosswalk signage that says state law or whatever. There was discussion last year that they were going to try to get some more funding from AERP to install. So, Julie, I think, is the sort of spearhead of this whole piece and I have not been seeing those discussions. I can reach out to her and ask her. I just didn't know if that ever went anywhere. We actually sat down with the three of us and we sat down with the AERP person and they said, yeah, we're going to look at our budget to see if we could purchase, you know, the green retro reflective green that says state law to yield and crosswalk or something like that. There was some thought about putting those as well as some planings or whatever, some planers. Putting those on the bump out. On the bump out, yeah. You need something for sure. You need something to... I've been in other places where we had them. They actually had big planers and they were big planers, but that was a thought I know back last year when we were talking about it and I just wasn't sure it had gone anywhere. Well, and I would say this is something that the BRI would have is ongoing discussion if adjustments are made or if the town wants to pursue certain things to just be able to find the ways that they could be hopeful. You know, so one of the thoughts that had come up was originally what I think it was before the bump out, so it went in. They'd put up a big poster at Mill's hardware kind of saying it's not going to cost taxpayer dollars, it's not going to take up any part. I'm trying to dissuade all of the potential arguments, but maybe even creating a handout or one page saying that when you get somebody coming into the office, you could handle that. And then, you know, so it's not on the town's responsibility to come up with that, but just to come up with something that's then, you know, here are all misconceptions and just pass it off. Or, you know, and similarly, I'll ask about the whatever happened with AARP and the signs. And that may have been bringing the shift into the next budget year and then I'll forgot about it. Well, the discussion was for next year, for this upcoming year, so it may still be completely in the works. I just haven't heard of it about it. And there's a bunch of misconceptions. Some people believe that the town funded these. In some cases, people said well, instead of getting back grant money for doing bump outs, why didn't you get grant money for water work grants? Well, it's not the same pool of grant money. I think we all know that. You know, it was an opportunity for us to piggyback on the first project. So, you know, two rivers did not help design us these things. So it did not cost us money. Alan mentioned something about the sleeves that Howard attaches to the asphalt. There was a problem with the sleeves coming loose or something. It was just the repeated use of them. Because you can't reuse the sleeve. They had to the way they had to do it, they had to like seal it up, so they had to drill a hole, put in like a redhead type thing, and then they put this in the bowl. His only concern is that they're going in the same location year after year after year after year, that's going to start to create a lot of holes. But when we initially voted this approval in, we were under the impression that these were not a long-term project. So this was going to be something that was only going to be one, three-year, four-year thing. Even if we wanted it, you know, the purchase of these were just on a temporary basis. So they're not made to go in for the next 10 years. They're made to go in for a couple of years, and then if we liked them as a town, we would buy something that would be a little more permanent. Or we would just say the feedback wasn't the positive we wanted, and we're just going to go away with it. The idea was to get a couple of years of time to see what people thought about them. We didn't spend money for any other organization to design these things. One person that said we should be able to vote on stuff like this, but nobody's here tonight. And we had many... And if I remember right, and if I remember right, we had several discussions on the bump ballots before we even went. We had the BRI in here. We even had discussions prior to the installation of and there were so many opportunities. So I think that, you know, if you really take away the constructive feedback here, really is how can we, for this season, how can we make them more visible at night time? And how can we more landscape them better so that they're just not a true eyesore? And let's hope people don't run over. But it would be, I wonder how we could maybe get some maybe a better way of getting some feedback on those this year. Being it's a second year in there. Facebook. Did you get everybody? You're going to get to get with the bad, but... You get everybody just throwing in comments, just to throw comments on that don't come to meetings. I don't know. Just how we can give as much feedback on those as possible. Because they were only just a pilot project. And probably at the end of this year, if we want to move forward with that, it's a permanent solution. And if we don't want to move forward, then there's no sense to set those things up next year. I don't think I could hear fairly consistent, you know, you hear, it takes up parking. You lose parking. But it's not so much, I don't think it's so much the parking, because in theory, they're in a crosswalk anyway. So in theory, that's what's the parking. But they do impact the approach to parking in a crosswalk. You don't have that. You can roll the crosswalk to back in. So it comes into that you have to get back to actually letting them have to drive and park. I think that's what you find. That's why people hit and run over because it's a different approach. They're used to driving over the crosshatching to get into their spot. It's illegal. You're right, because I've done it too. I've parked in front of the mills and I parked there and I forgot the brain fart and I go to leave and it was nothing there except the pad. I forgot it was there and up over I go. Because it was nothing sticking up. It was nothing sticking up high enough that I could see to remind me because I was in my own permission. This shouldn't get in. There's nothing there. Sure, it's not being so high that you walk on something that's tall. That bump out could have been pedestrian. A small child. I know. A small child. So those bump outs by mills hardware, I know what you're saying about the width of the road being as wide as it needs to be which is fine on a straight way. But when you have businesses in town like GW Plastics and not mills who have anywhere from 15 to 50 tractor trailers, anywhere from 48 to 53 feet long traveling through this town there's no way for a tractor trailer to make that corner without taking up half of the other side of the road with those bump outs in the way. Which I'm just picking on one of them there. Well I mean and that's the challenge of our downtown and my company was the one that came down here and rehabilitated the streets there three or four years ago. We had a discussion with the state when we were line painting. They wanted us to line paint the existing. We said well legally we don't want to move forward on line painting because it's not wide enough. It's not wide enough to conduct parking spots on both sides of the road and have your 12 foot lane and we got directed from the state to do it anyway. So they go with two 10s and two 8s? But it's not legally wide enough to have your 8 foot parking spots plus your it should be 40 feet wide through there. What are your lengths? 10 foot? 12 foot. 8 foot parking spots. Oh it misses it by like 4 feet it's like 36 feet wide. Now you don't think that's a big difference but we see that every day we all meet somebody that comes through there and we have to like okay I'm going to stop here so they can get by here. So did anybody get any specific complaints about any particular bump out? So maybe what I'm hearing is that maybe we revise the locations of them or try a different location. I don't know. I don't know if that's maybe a thought and if there are certain ones that are Dave you said that you could buy. Now that one there is like the ones on the straight way in the street and commenting on the fact that the width, no it's not 12 feet but if you're going straight you can get by with a 9 foot lane. But around that corner if you don't have a 12 foot lane you're in trouble. If you're meeting somebody and the hard part is not you or I because we know the road it's the person from Connecticut, New Jersey Massachusetts and Florida that's my side of the road so those would be the 2 in front of Mills or the 1 in front of Mills. Is that the one you're talking about? Yeah. I think those are the most commonly driven over. I agree. I mean the next location for that would be to move it up by the printing press. Yeah. Because that's the next crosswalk, right? But then you are farther out of town. And those two that were here were probably the most used. If you put it up here by the printing press you're probably more apt to what if you put it by the the only thing is you'll impede their delivery vehicles that I'm not supposed to park in the crosswalk I'm thinking we can pull in there. But would that by having them moving farther out of town would that still would the traffic pick back up and be faster before it got to that? It seems like the road is wider up in that area. Brown, Spalding and Champlain Farms. It just seems like it's wider coming up from that side. You know, in a straight line. If we did move up there maybe for this you know. If we kept two down here and then we put the other two out in front of the printing press on the other side of the tunnel we would have to get to the hardware and put it into the pavement. They're different. It's not that hard. Just sleazy. It's subtle. Feels like it's one. When are we looking at putting whatever you guys tell me we're doing it? Do we have crosswalks that we can't change? What? Designated crosswalks that we can't change their location? Do we have that? No. Anywhere where you've typically got a corner with head ramps when it goes across the road you should have a crosswalk. We plan on doing painting in May. So painting the crosswalks in May so we'll do it. We could do it probably right before that. We could look at what Matt said in front of the press and see the feedback on that. I think you might be asking Brad because he certainly watched those all summer and he might have the feedback and say I actually really would love to have him back there. I know he was a big proponent on the early end before they were installed. He was excited about them and he watched them all summer and he might have some feedback that is worth listening to. Sure. Why don't we just re-circle the wagons on this at the next board meeting and you reach out to him and then maybe you know if anything we'd have to do differently to move them up to the other location if we had to. It would be the same. The crosshatching is the same. But maybe just take a look at I'm assuming that there's a crosswalk and the parking spots and stuff are normal but just we did move it up there by the printing what that would look like. There's people coming out of Champlain in front of the stair cutting them off. They're right in front of the building so I don't think it would be an issue. The crosswalk is actually right in front of the building. But doesn't that kind of defeat the purpose of the bump out though because it was supposed to help protect pedestrians across the road which is way more congested more atypical at spalling back and forth across the road at mills hardware than there is at spalling Possibly. I don't know I don't know if there's more. I mean do we have a lot of people that come down from the senior home that go to the as a few people when people use the full crane press one you know you know we've also got the one well I think in the villages really where the buses are at is probably the main location but we've got how many do we have four I think there are four total. There's one in front of Maskelman there was a two there's two sets you're talking two on each side of the road yeah there's two sets four total is this one well yeah sure two sets so two sets four total he had Maskelman in the head in front of the hardware store well we could come back to it and I could talk to Brad and find out what he was seeing for foot traffic over there I can always talk to I can't remember her name I could do that too I was thinking of the gas station the manager of the gas station let's see what she thinks too but yeah well let's circle the wagons on the next meeting great just one other thing you had said you had some names of some of the comments that indicated they might be willing to work on plans or donate plans yeah we'll have to keep Kelly on that yeah we took all the names out because we didn't want to accept his because this goes why you put my name on it I can only remember I ever even say anything about these things well I just felt it well I took that out I took a couple of the references out to just kind of about who bought it or who got the zoning for it whatever but Kelly's got the actual the actual comments yeah it was more just about donating sure okay well when I'm cruising around town and the constable vehicle with all the pets in the bag all at least the pump belts at that point there you go it's reported now I would recommend just from seeing these in the past and seeing them in action on a permanent basis having something that people can see though is a huge it creates a deter whatever you will like to say we had to do planners we had drinking fountains and things like that are you able to look into you know sort of road quality reflective stuff that you go on them? yeah we already have actually there's a tape that I would not recommend and then there's a paint so we talked about doing a retro reflective paint yeah on the base on the base of them we could even paint the things and not be black we could even paint them I know the rubbers I don't know how well it would stick but you know we could do them a green we could do them a red we could do something that's maybe a little a little brighter and I think one thing that could be improved is again if we had a much larger pot rather than that little dinky pot or two dinky pots because I think if you had a larger item on that it would stand out a little more this pot was a deterrent because it was full economy so if you hit it it was like a ballpark basically well be careful because you're just one of the hitsome so I wouldn't hit this I wouldn't hit this one it was a big boy the pots need regular watering I think what happened as the summer progressed last year was they got hot they didn't get water and the plants started to sort of keel over and then the people just ran over so some of the plants get water to them on a regular it's a tough one I think this was baskets a few years ago if these become more of a permanent thing and we get bigger pots I can even have more to do it he can bring some water I don't know how much water would take five gallons to do four planters or something maybe we can do that I mean it's not going to take him that long to do that it's not really what the business are that's kind of what we were hoping for but if it's an issue I think it's something I could add to Morgan that'd be a piece of cake I think it's going to have to be carried in terms of people carrying yeah he's a big boy he's a big boy he could carry five gallons of water deadhead I don't know how well he could deadhead him and do all the maintenance of him but he could definitely water him what's the group that goes around and maybe that's something I want to thank you yeah I talk with them every year if these become more of a permanent or a larger scale type thing it's something that they would probably love to do actually last year was the first year having them in and they were new to everybody last year well I'll get some information from the business owners and kind of go from there you guys can decide whether you want to put them back and where you want to put them back and then we'll make it happen then we want to start some discussions in regards to working on our footprint for the capital fund we started kicking this around a little bit after budget time but before so I think I gave you the draft capital improvement spreadsheet correct and it's a very very very very draft because things in here have actually changed a little bit but I want to at least get to Paul kind of the ball rolling a little bit on how this might look so I'm on the page it says capital improvements and it's got a beginning balance of $50,000 and it has the water debt and the garage payment and all that down below you guys have that sheet so what this basically this is that fund that was that was started a couple years ago the people some rates were calling this slush fund but the way the language was done in the warning is it was basically a a fund that was there for emergency purposes of any kind so it could cover water it could cover sewer roads facilities whatever so what I did with it was was took from the some of the input I got from town meeting was talking people were concerned about the town garage and so what this shows is what it would look like if we were to borrow money if we were to borrow roughly $400,000 on a half million dollar town garage the cost here is $83 a square foot on this town garage that's as close as I can get it at this point without doing a full blown estimate on it so again these numbers are totally something to change but so that's kind of what that looks like and down below it shows the garage payment over 20 years there's an initial payment that I have in the first year and I apologize the years didn't show up but that first column is 1819 I believe yeah that's to 1819 so we're dealing on the second column basically in the current year or the upcoming so this basically says in this upcoming year we would borrow this money and then we would build the garage and have a $15,000 initial payment out of this and then a $29,000 annual payment for 19 years basically it also in the next year it also takes into account some of the water improvements that we have this was early in the process of the water master plan so what I put in here were the three three projects that we initially had been talking about which includes two loopings of some Avon and livery stable and Cushing and Dinsmore this is looping with new water lines on some really old water lines it's looping our system and putting in some updated water lines as well as installing curb stops on the overline that's currently in the ground on Main Street I would tell you that's not feasible at this point we have actually gone through the state and done some more work on this so they're not going to be they're not going to be approving any construction documents or any project where we're installing curb stops on an unknown air line the line that's currently in the ground they're going to require we put in new main lines and put in curb stops and all that so I just wanted to throw this out here as an idea of how this might look the numbers are inconsequential at this point I hate to say because until we get the water master plan back we don't really know where we're at the project is going to be substantially higher than this but this is just, I wanted to do this to show you how we could possibly fund it fund the water as well as the garage through some sort of maneuvering through different accounts and through different projects or through different budgets I guess basically if we were to complete those water items what I had done was 57% of that cost would have come from this fund and the other 47% would have been rolled into the water fund so the water users essentially would be paying 43% of the improvements and in the town everybody in town would be paying 50% of the remainder just an idea just a concept here of how this might work out if we go or when we go to the state and get a loan for these improvements we are going to have to bond in some way or another even if we were to be able to fund 100% of the debt out of the water fund which we can't but if we could in theory we still have to go to the voters for a vote because they essentially the voters the town itself are cosigning their loan so what we are going to probably end up having to do most logically is go to the voters for a bond vote for the entire thing in one way or another and then maybe take a portion of that out and put it into the water yes the problem is that the water department the water fund just cannot absorb a large increase if we look at a million dollar project or half a million whatever it is it is huge to the two 300-something users it is not sustainable what I was trying to do here was just trying to work some numbers to see how it kind of worked out and how it would look if we were to try to use the current funds that we have available to us how that would work and what if it fits out on the other side again the numbers are really not nearly as important as kind of the concept at this point we need more of a facility fund and not necessarily water and sewer and all that and that is somewhere we can go with if we want to just trying to kind of get them all rolling as Chris was saying I guess the footprint we need to start looking at prioritizing our projects we all know that they are coming we just need to find out which ones we think are most important and then we throw that in here and kind of see how things shoot out the other side it is important that we try to act on some of these larger projects sooner rather than later for the obvious reasons but the other thing is interest rates are starting to come up and to take advantage of the lower 2-3% now could end up being double that here in five years time so we are seeing that it seems like the feds want to get the interest rates back to sort of normal pre-2008 levels so we saw last year that there was hikes every quarter on the fed level and this year they are going to hold off as they did so far but that could be a substantial amount of money at the town level the interest rates continue to go higher so the other thing we still see and again this is just Greg started the process but if we did in this case if it was you know at this point if we did take out a loan this is a 20 year payment arrangement for the garage itself if it was $15,000 a year we have to think right now we are dumping $10,000 a year into that building like just taking it and throwing it at it every year it is going nowhere so we could take you know we are almost already paying for half of our garage by just the redundant maintenance that is going into that that we are not getting back so I think that even if that payment turns into a $20,000 payment we are still we are already paying half of that for nothing and another part that is secondary to that fact is that the garage is antiquated it is too small it is too great because it can't be parked in the garage Mo was talking about the tractor and the grader things like that we just haven't got the room for it in the wintertime especially the guys keep their equipment in the garage to keep it thought out so that everything functions it works like it is supposed to well we have to do something out because the garage just doesn't work well it doesn't work that that is to me speeds up the degradation of that equipment even more so there is that part of it as well what you have proposed on here the 60,000 or 6,000 square feet that would accommodate the current I believe so, I haven't gone that far to it I just kind of put a number here 6,000 square feet is I think it was what I say 200 by 300 that is what we said that is a sizable garage how many square feet is the current garage I don't have any idea I would say it is 100 by 60 not even that deep, it is not that deep is it it is 100 by, the trucks just barely fit in it 30 to 24 feet 25 and probably 100 so it is probably a half this yeah the first part is really just figuring out how much will the garage cost and how do we put this in our plan over whatever if it is 20 years or 15 or 10 or however we put that into it the other thing too is the site that we currently have the public works building on feasible to rebuild there so we got to be looking at that through this process too because I don't even know what's underneath that building or what you get yourself into or it is on top of the sand bed and is that an area that is large enough for us to conduct business going forward or should we there was a dump there for a while that's a scare if we start doing foundation design if they do it the right way they are going to be doing moorings they might find there is trash there or should we look for a site a long term site that maybe we are just putting a public works building now but could grow into an office you know for now do we look to put a 6,000 square foot public works building with the ability to put offices upstairs down the road is that the way that looks I know there has been many studies that the town has done over the years we have heard about all the committees that people have been on and where they have gotten somehow we might want to open back that and start exploring what parcels of land we don't really have but we could look into for that as well I think that might be the biggest hurdle that we will have not just what kind of structure we want and how much is it going to cost I think it is really going to be where we can put it so do you want me to, would the board like me to kind of put together I don't know if it is called a committee or whatever to look into appropriate locations for the town garage or for just this structure is that something that sounds like that is what you would like to see something similar to what they did for the town offices that would be great I think at this point it might be more on us as a select board and you have to figure this thing out rather than go to a committee and I think there is no harm inviting citizens of Bethel into the conversation if they want to be a part but right now our committees are struggling for membership as it is we add another committee to it we might get one or two people but is that a committee pretty much all our committees right now that we have a committee for this historic information I was looking for the town office it was there must be information I have looked through that before there were four locations that they were talking about but there was nothing for a town garage that was just for the town office but some of those locations might still be adequate I don't know about this one but some of that is in there there is two or three locations versus a property that they were talking about yeah so I think it is kind of two prong three prong because one we need to really have a little bit more handle on what the water plan looks like because we are obviously going to be doing the water plan at the same time we would be hopefully doing this so how would that look inside our budget where would we put this thing and how much would it cost and what would the financing look like I guess but I mean at this point if we had a piece of land and this is the cost it is almost a no greater at least meaning that we are just throwing money at it right now we could have a new building that could take care of that but I think it is definitely something that the taxpayers want to see I had some conversations with people during town meeting day about what our capital focus is looking like and I think we maybe had one question at town meeting even if we can start putting together a five or an eight year plan this is how we see it coming into the water report is basically done I mean we are setting up a meeting I am actually having a meeting tomorrow morning with our engineers to kind of finalize some small details so we should have that to you soon they are going to do a presentation on it we could start looking at that next step so we are looking at it pretty good I don't want to talk about what the first project would look like but it is a pretty good project are they going to come to the board for the presentation so what are we thinking that that will happen I will talk to them tomorrow about it we are going to schedule a meeting tomorrow as long as everything is kind of tidy it should be pretty quick after that maybe the first meeting in May or something could be because it would kind of be neat for us to develop the water improvements in this at the same time because it seems like they will be up I will shoot for that first meeting and that shouldn't be a problem I will shoot for that first meeting I will be talking to them tomorrow the other thing too we will have to make sure if we do go down the road of a town garage I know you had put some money in there for now but obviously there is going to be a 10 or 15 year period where we are going to have to stay in the town office that we are at now and what does that really look like to I know you have some money put in there now but what do we really need to make that feasible for the next 10 or 15 years is that each year we will set aside a little bit of money or do we need to just put X amount of dollars into it to get us there as well or do we fight the bullet and do a lot of combat combined town garage and town offices I think something else that we need to contemplate is exactly how if the water project comes back and it is a sizable project that is going to have to be done how that is going to look where is that going to go are we going to create a fund that is why I did this because we are going to have to make some matches there is absolutely no way that the water users can absorb that so we probably need to have a discussion down the road of what to do with this fund if it needs to be if the funding needs to be increased or whatever how that is going to look the initial setup of the fund the way it read anyways was for the town garage for improvements to the town garage the town office water and sewer is how it was for the all-encompassing now hopefully if our if our water improvement ends up being lesser than we think they are there is probably a good opportunity that we could balance the two together in this one fund and keep the appropriations somewhat similar however if this turns into the water turns into being its own little animal we may want to just keep this fund just for you know the structured type of things and then maybe go to the town citizens this is how much this is going to cost we have to bond for it you know line item before that and don't forget there still is the water fund so if we do get to that point we have this large amount that we have to fund for I just don't want you to forget that the water fund and the water users can't take on some of it not a lot but that is still an option so it's not necessarily taxpayers take it on 100% but it's going to be tricky I think once we get there but we'll get the numbers to you and then I'll once I know the numbers solidly I'll put those into here and show you how that works out and we'll kind of go from there no I mean again I think as soon as we can do something with the town garage it's really tough to watch us just throw money away in that building every year and like Noah was saying now we have the point of you know equipment we're choosing time with certain pieces of equipment just because we don't have a proper place to store it well on passive this comes through and they're required so we did some upgrades we did some electrical upgrades and stuff like that on that building so they're aware I mean everybody's aware it's just not to go to me it's a ticking time bomb kind of thing just on the board's end of things over the last couple of years we've had to do to either the stormwater or to different things that have cost us when we did that I'm sure there's more of that coming we don't upgrade that building then we had I don't know if everybody got the other one but the old kind of roads and the things yeah so what that was this is basically taking that money that we finally got that the voters allowed us to start rolling over 110 plus and started to kind of put this to paper we've got the the paved road analysis that we had paved and gravel road we actually have two analysis that we had done and this is basically taking some of the recommendations in there putting that to paper and kind of showing you how that's going to look in the long run again the idea of this is to show you kind of how the numbers work and then allow you to look at it and prioritize this we do have a plan of how we're to do this it doesn't mean it's set in stone by any means you know this pushes some things out to allow for other things that can always be reversed around a little bit for example Sand Hill we have it pushed way out because it's a huge project and it's going to take a while to fund that but can we wait four years five years for that road I don't know that the board needs to make that we kind of move forward on so but just again just sort of a draft of what it looks like if we were to follow the recommendations from the reports that we've had the only thing I can only comment I just wanted to say on looking through it is the the initial capital roads fund you know was for the paved roads with the gravel roads so if we want to add the gravel roads to this which you have on here then we'll have to kind of make that extra appropriation to that fund so 80% of the gravel roads is paid for through grants I don't know if the Grand Indian and the better roads grants are but the Grand Indian is the gravel road portion of that so that helps offset some of that honestly those numbers I'll have to keep revising because with the Grand Indian actually we are required to do I believe it's a 10% I think it's 10% cash I think it is but we can do it in time so there's really no cost to us because we're using our equipment and doing the work anyway it's reimbursing us to do so those numbers could actually because I think in the past when you have your line item that says gravel the gravel line item didn't necessarily mean we're going to buy $25,000 with the gravel it meant that was for the maintenance of the gravel roads so if you had a 90-10 and let's say your portion of it was $5,000 then that would come out of that gravel road budget which is covered over there so I don't know if we put all in one that's fine we'll just have to figure out how the appropriations work and I can separate it doesn't matter it's simple to do well I think it's good to have the roads on here because now we can see a forecast of the gravel roads as well where before there was just a line item in the budget that said gravel at least here we can do that you know and I think the reason well part of the reason why we can't just reduce the gravel is because this is more it's a lot more than gravel this Grand Indian project is drainage mostly so this could be rock lining this could be culvert this could be a lot of things but but no we can we'll keep looking at it but I need to find out I can't remember it's been a little bit since I did this so I'll have to look and see how that works the numbers work if I added that 10% or not into the actual expense line because it doesn't need to be there that's in kind so that expense really would need to be there but yeah so again you know it's it's a lot of money a lot of time but you know it the idea here was to talk to you with you all and see if you agree with this and if not how we want to maybe move things around I know Paul I just saw you shake your head about St. Hill I don't know that it's feasible to push that out for five years but it was going to last that long right but if we do that project and we're we have to push other things back you know it's just a give and take so how do you push it back because there's a good question on the whole right but you're you're either pushing something else back to a lot for that one it's you're pushing something regardless the thing with St. Hill to be honest with it is I would really like to do it as a full blown project from the bottom up it needs stormwater drainage it needs new utilities underneath it it's water it needs water underneath it because that's AC pipe so it needs a lot more it needs to be engineered it needs to really be built correctly I think I did have a thought about it I don't know if you guys like this but I was thinking about taking out a dirt and leaving dirt until we could get it paid back over we can manage it a lot better that way we can grade it we can smooth it out we can keep it we can cut ditches in it a little bit better just a thought the only thing you'll have a tough time with is at the bottom when we get those under showers or those heavy events you're going to directly grab a washed all the time we'd leave an apron as long as we could maybe the first 50 feet 75 feet whatever you would have it but you're right you'd come down the bottom and just be in you want to why don't you send me the list of paid roads in town for the mileage and I'll send me all the roads no no you want to know the total you want to know total paved mileage why don't you send me all the roads I don't have that document that spelled out all the roads and where they need to be paid so you want these reports right I can go back through there and I can start looking to see prioritized wise what I would recommend is a lot of these can be moved a lot of them are like chip seal up on these side roads low speed roads with a chip seal chip seal type thing which I think is there's definitely an opportunity to push things out how about I send these reports to everybody so you can read through them so if you need to go to Venice they're not very good didn't we get a paid roads report you might have I'll send everybody the paved road and the gravel road report I'll spend some time on it here over the next month and put down what I so you can maybe you guys can look at it and say why is he saying this before he does this I agree with you Chris there's places in there where he's saying to go up like Avon and do a chip seal before you do paving on some other roads so I think that's not necessarily what we want to do I think we need to get the most things for the buck it's always a tough one because most tax payers look at the worst road and say why aren't we fixing that where in most cases it's the road that is one of your better roads that is holding up well those are the ones that can really have the ones that are bad are bad and you just gotta start picking those off because if you chase your bad roads you're gonna get more bad roads but if you send me that I can look at that and then I'll compare it to the study that was done and see what that looks like that way we can do that I also have an ASTM methodology that I could use if we ever want to get into nerdy stuff I can definitely go engineering with it that way too and I can look at all kinds of different pavements and you know and pull the makeshift hot ends versus chip seals and we can look at them I'll send it to you all for advice if you just want to look through it it's awesome because there are certain roads in this town that we should not continue to throw money at until we address the complete issue like the mountain road we have thrown so much money up there on paving you know spent probably half a million dollars up there in the last five years and it's just it's just a band-aid we should be putting that money somewhere else right now the shoulders are sloughing off the whole road is sloughing off on the Rochester side that whole road needs and it's a base correction before we do anything up there and if that means picking off a mile a year and a mile there you know just wasting money in there but yeah I'll take a look at that we can do to help discussion on any of the capital plans we have the constable reports that are in our packets if I have any questions or regards to that did see you got some speeders looks like the speeds are starting to come up now that it's getting nice with that because you got one there at 60 whatever at 50 yeah because better last summer you know you saw a lot of those 65 or 50 or 50s and point dives and looks like that's starting to come up now they start it they start off by speeding and then they start running over our bump out then it's just a free for all we need a constable slash a dog warder a health officer a regular dog should be no time any questions there's a constable and we have the select board meeting minutes but they are here is there any more information on the blood form not yet Beatrice had some family issues so she hasn't really worked on it but we'll get to you some well there is a little bit of information she did call a passive and talked about the waiver so maybe some of the word but we'll get an idea as soon as we can no issues with that entertain a motion to accept the meeting minutes of the 25th so move all in favor dodge one tonight Lisa I say you dodge one tonight two in a row makes a streak and then follows that's a period listen that sounds a lot town managers report yeah so my report is in your packet just a couple of quick things Chris you probably know more about this than I do but they will be starting the milling and overlaying of route 110 from basically the fish to the sugar house one of them oh it's even 110 in here yeah 107 sorry from the fish down the sugar house so Pike will be doing that I hope they do a good job I've heard bad things about him but I don't know that's in May that starts in May probably here in Bethel anyway you'll see a couple of probably two days when we're milling traffic will be backed up a little bit kind of like the utility people and then there will be a couple of days of paving then we'll be out of the air for a couple of months so most of the work is going to be done near the state trooper barracks they're putting in a tour lane by the state trooper barracks the roadway in there then there's some work, some slope stabilization down there then the state will so just be prepared you're going to start seeing that and we will have a link eventually on our website to the the project is going to have its own pay once you guys get it once they get a PR company usually there's a link that we can get that you can click and it'll tell you what the progress of the project looks like and some of the schedules and things like that but start to finish in May and it'll be over by Labor Day yeah the municipal roads general permit I'm still working on that I will be attending a meeting by the better roads people in April I think it's in a couple weeks about this permit and what it entails it's also, they've got a grant available out there to help us have somebody else do this it's mandatory because I can't do it I don't have time to do it and it's every segment of our hydrologically connected roadways which is like 90 something percent of our roads and a segment is less than 300 feet has to be yeah, has to be like a three page or four page analysis it's ridiculous I was going to do it so there are grants available that I'm hopefully going to be checking in with and applying for to have somebody else come in and do that analysis that's a requirement of our of this permit from the state is that we do an erosion inventory and from there we have to start doing these projects and we'll be getting grant money we've already got grant money that's what that grant aid is that we got last year and then we get four quarters area out there and we'll be getting that every year to do more and more of these storm water projects but I'll let you know more about that we'll get that grant and get moving on that that inventory everything else is kind of going the boys have been out when they can trying to clear mud and lay gravel down you know it's after this these rainstorms I'm sure it's going to be just a complete mess but most people we've talked to say it's just been going pretty well just kind of chasing their tails a little bit they will be going to classes I know that further education was a big point something we actually had the boys had talked about during the meeting we did so I've got them signed up for some road scholar stuff to do everything from loader operation to crowning roads how to maintain roads things like that a lot of opportunities that these are all free classes a lot of opportunities that we're going to be going to this summer and fall hopefully we'll see some results come out of this classes come next year everything else TechSale went really well I think we only got two properties that did not sell so we came in a lot of higher on the revenue end that we projected at least so that's good yeah, things are just kind of moving any questions any comments any concerns thank you green up day info we did just we did go out to bid for the cemetery maintenance and got three bid came back with the same company at the same rate so we didn't save any money but at least we know we're getting a fair shake it was worth our time to do that we had three companies that actually submitted bids for it we saturday made the words we get the green bags here at the town hall we have any questions any questions the bags left they came in after things were closed for the day and then there were a bunch of done here and I'll say there was somewhere else from that yeah and you can take those bags to the facility too for free and you can pick up the bags at the town office as well not just here out front but we have a town office too or we will have a town office we usually get them a few days before yeah I mean I know we always get a few bad things but I had wondered last year because the window the window is relatively narrow to go out and do the work which is understandable because Alan or any of the guys don't want to hang out all weekend to do it I had wondered if if we park a town truck down here for the day people could come down and throw their green bag in the truck and go granted you might have that one or two people that show up at their garbage and throw it in there but would that be an option rather than have to hit that four hour window to come down and get your bag go through your thing and come back and if maybe we pay you have all day we'll give the truck down here throw it in the bag because I know there's a lot of misconception about the green bags and taking them to the transfer station and not having to pay for them I think some people don't really understand that portion of it yeah I mean especially if we parked it right in front of the businesses right there we parked it further down at the other end kind of right next to the bank or real close to the bank and back there yeah I'm just thinking somewhere in this lot yes no I'm just thinking maybe in front of more more active businesses people might be less likely to throw their black bag or whatever into it if we're going to do that I would absolutely say getting that out onto Facebook but I would more than that I was going to say if the town officers have bags in advance letting people know that they could pick them up because they might be more willing on their Friday drive home you know bag or two and then they're next to the loads instead of driving in the morning they might not think of it we'll want to if we get them early in this year we'll post something on the website on Facebook or whatever that's the point that you know if Alan or one of the guys or girls are here from 8 to 12 giving out bags but then you know that the truck will be here all day so they can throw it in here for now then they can just pick it up one day I know last year just from my house to bachelors in the bag I got four bags thinking that was enough and I think I turned into eleven bags of garbage between them so I made few extra trips and I just barely got him before he left so I like what I did and like I said if we get bags early in this year I'll make sure we get them out this week I think even going down over the bank tomorrow the amount of trash you can see especially with the last wind storm just things got caught a lot on the sides yeah I'll let you know I'm pretty sure we got I'm going to say like three days two, three days before then there were some solid waste board from March 13th Mo anything update us on there no I don't believe this one the stuff in this will probably be down over again so Mo they continue to talk with two rivers about no the potential two rivers wanted money up front for you to think about a couple years that's where you get the slide board there and try to get out of the trash with this we're not getting out of the trash well the town is out there we had some meeting minutes in there and seeing the other ones committee that one came in that came in all right it was today anything on there follow me guys the bike trails we're going to be walked here pretty soon to mark we're going to walk and fly the trail before summer nothing new on the skateboard no updates should we invite direct committee in for a visit to see where they're at right now they're working on that last-ditch grant effort for the park I don't think it's really their last meeting got canceled because it wasn't enough people I think on the 24th or something at the end of the month that was going to go to I don't know if it's really time yet right now they're trying to get that last-ditch effort grant and it gets numbers back they wanted me to put the project out to bid but I don't necessarily need to do that I want to just kind of get estimates so I think they were going to reach out to some people that were local well there's a guy, I don't know what his name is but he's the one that gave us the quotes the original way back in like 2016 so I think they were going to reach out to him and see if they can get part see if they can get an estimate for some of these elements because it's really going to because they know that they're well fixed on their budget unless they get this grant so let me find out some more about what's going down on the 24th or whatever because the only thing that the concern I have is well one I think something needs to be progressing there this year you know last year things did progress you know and if we wait and wait and wait until this grant comes or doesn't come and we get to June then they start switching gears to do something else I mean your year is almost gone so I'm thinking maybe if we get them in now even though they're still waiting for their grant we can start asking those questions on what's your plan be if the grant doesn't come in what are we looking at for plan B and have you started that it's a basketball court, tennis court I don't know whatever it is but what's your plan B I think that's one of the issues of staffing for committee I think we we heard on town meeting day that people in town are starting to get a little restless on what's coming next there and I just hate to lose a whole let a year on that you want to add the next meeting or the first of the may maybe what do you think I'll ask them whether or not another next meeting until the end of April I mean, I could just see them right now, you know, waiting, waiting, waiting, finding out in June that they didn't get it. And then all of a sudden, starts, you know, switching gears at that point, which then, June turns into July, turns into August. How do you get anything built at that point? Because they're looking and doing that, you know, what happens if we get the grant? They're all looking at the alternative. If we don't get it, what can we get for our money? And maybe there's nothing. And maybe they could update the board on. Sure. So we know that we're in the grant process. However, if we don't get this, this is what we're looking at doing there. I think at least giving them their next meeting with some prep. Yeah, so when's their next meeting? So now, at the end of the month, is there just one more? It's not having them come to our next meeting. Right, right, exactly. They follow, like, maybe the first meeting they make, is one thing. Just giving them some heads up at the time of prep. Right. So May 13th, I'll see what they can do. This talks about they're working, thatcher's working on RTP grant application for the next round of trials. Yeah. Yeah. Not anything more. They've got some more. They're working, they're working, all of them are working on this other grant. Because they have enough money in the RAT fund that is set aside for the skateboard part, but could, that money could be prioritized for something else right now. So they do have, I think they financially have. Yeah, there's money in there. They have options, you know. Yeah, and the last discussion we had at the last meeting was that let's try this one kind of last ditch at first of another grant. And if that doesn't come through, then we have to put it through the wake for a while and go with something else. I think they understand that there's, the people are already, wanna see some results just, they just have to. But my whole thing, just being on the board in the last couple of years, is like last year, it just seems like the groundlock day again, where last year we were in the same spot where we were waiting for a grant, same time of year, and it didn't come. And there's a lot of momentum over there right now. The, from last, yeah, the pool's really taken off and it's nice to see more items built to that before it loses momentum and then we kinda go the wrong direction, so. Well, I will, Never the next step is, but May 13th I will have them, as long as it works for them, I'll have some of them come and we can have a discussion. Sounds good. Any other business to come before the board? Yeah, I've got this, I'm gonna focus on this in the paper last week. TROC's having a breakfast meeting at Vermont Law School on Thursday the 8th month. Learn how the PRORC works for you. It's free, it's breakfast, it's from nine to a little third of the week. Breakfast is one breakfast, oh wow, the PRORC, it's a bonus for the column in the breakfast. And where's that at here? It's at the Vermont Law School. Okay. And it's free, we have to call for reservations by the 11th, which is a couple of days here, so. Very much about, well, thank you so much. Good background. Here and now I would entertain a motion to enter into executive session so we can talk about the goal setting.