 Battle of the Sexes, Gip Chess 2022. We are, well, nearing the halfway stage today after the round. We'll be exactly halfway through the tournament, and for all of you who've just joined us for the first time, a very warm welcome. This is one of the most interesting and unique tournament formats that have really taken place in the world of chess since I've been playing. It's a chevening and team event, and it's exactly what it says on the tin. It's the battle of the sexes. Ten men against ten women fighting it out for a prize fund of £100,000. Some of the most talented and interesting and dynamic players playing here, and we've had a roller coaster ride so far. The first two rounds were dominated by the women's team. The next two rounds, the men have made quite the comeback, and Irina, things are almost equal going into round five. I believe it's the men winning, sorry, the women winning by one point. Exactly. Things have got very, very tight, and I believe that today being the last round before the rest day, it will matter a lot, especially it will have a big impact on the player's mood, because you don't really want to go into the rest day after losing the match. Absolutely not. The rest day tomorrow, but as you said, Irina, I think today is quite an important round to set the tone for that rest day. You saw on the graphic that it's 20 and a half, 19 and a half in favour of the women, and let's take a look at the pairings for today. Let's see if we can get them on the screen. The women all have white today, but we can go for each pairing and our predictions and talk about some of the players' performances so far. So first, Irina Sukanda playing Leander Kruse. Now, Irina was doing phenomenally well. She was on two and a half out of three. She had a tough loss yesterday against Bill Hill. Right, and it was really unpleasant for her to face that G4 in the Nimto on move four, right? Yes. And she didn't do well after that, and well, she's in a new situation in this match now. Let's see how she will do after a loss. Indeed, and she's playing Leandro Kruse. Leandro has been extremely solid, maybe the most solid player in the tournament so far. He won a fantastic game in a caracan just two rounds ago. Knowing Irene, I believe she's a one E4 player, so we might get another caracan. Is Irene going to have something better prepared? We'll soon see. Jensai Abdumalik playing Ravi Haria. Now, Ravi, you know, he was smiling after the game yesterday, but he was disappointed. He had a winning position against Gunai. He played a really nice opening, missed a lot of chances and ended up drawing. Jensai also, she yesterday actually played quite a good game, I would say. Yeah, I believe she was really disappointed by how the previous game went, the one which she lost with the white pieces. And yesterday, she told me that she just wanted to play, you know, an energetic, nice game without spending too much time on her moves and just trust her intuition. And it worked out quite well for her. She made a draw without any adventures to say so. And I believe that today she will be looking for the moment to try and win the game. Yeah, I think Jensai would why she's definitely going to be optimistic and want to try and win. Gunai also with white against Joe Gallagher. Gunai surviving a just a catastrophic position shows that she's good on the front foot and she's good on the back foot. That's the sign of a class player that she can survive such a position. And now she's got white against Joe Gallagher. Joe also surviving a dead lost position yesterday against Pierre. I've got a good feeling for Gunai in this game. I don't know, she's young, she's fresh and she's got whites. She's well prepared. What do you think about this one? Actually, I tend to agree with you. I have a big confidence regarding this game for the ladies team. Yeah, and it's going to be an open game. We know Joe loves to play the open Sicilians and the Kings Indians. And so it's going to be a game full of very interesting moments. Pierre crumbling ends Bobby Cheng, one of the most solid pairings of the round. Pierre with white, she'll be very disappointed about yesterday. Bobby's been a bit difficult to kind of read here. He's just been uber solid. He looks very difficult to beat. And I don't expect him to lose today either against Pierre, to be honest, even with black. I expect this to be actually a very quiet game. Right. And you know, I'm actually wondering, will any of the ladies players be able to provoke him to go to an open street fight? Because I would be very curious to see how will he do there, because until now he had, you know, those long, strategical, slow battles. And I would love to see him in some tactical mess. Yeah, I mean, but I'm not sure Pierre is the right person for that, though. I think Pierre is going to be settling for a calm game white before the rest day. She won't want to risk too much. Marie Sabag playing Balas Chonka, again, two super solid players. I mean, Marie has drawn all her games. Balash is one one, I believe. Right. But Marie with white, if I had to guess here, I would say draw. Yeah, that's exactly my feeling as well. All right, moving on. Marie and Musi took against Eric Rosen. Now, this is going to be a fan's favorite. Of course, a lot of people tuning into this broadcast. So many people, in fact, Eric Rosen fans. He's got such a big following on YouTube and Twitch. They're checking him out in a live classical chess setting. He's doing okay. He got off to a bit of a shaky start. He came back. He won a really nice game. Yesterday he drew what looks like actually quite an important game, maybe theoretically even. It was a decent game. But Irina, black against Marie and Musi took. Not the easiest game in the world. No, indeed. That's not going to be easy. Maria is such a difficult player to prepare against because she can play basically any system. I believe she's more of a E4 player, but she can play also C4, I believe, on the first move. So Eric will have to be very well prepared today. Indeed. Olga Giria playing Sabino Brunello. Another interesting pairing. Sabino has bounced back quite substantially, winning two games and in positions where he could have lost, especially yesterday. Playing black against Olga. That's going to be a very interesting matchup because Olga has been very solid so far, and Sabino attended to have wild games, especially in the last few rounds. He has. And I'm really curious, will he be able to make Olga go into this kind of chess or will Olga be able to have a solid game? We'll soon find out. Nino Batziashvili playing Gillian. Gillian had a really rough game yesterday against Ivan Kuhuska. He overextended and he got punished. It's one of the big risks of playing the system he played against the Karakhan, if you want to check that out from the game yesterday or the stream yesterday. Nino also losing yesterday against Sabino. That was a tough loss for Nino. What do you expect in this game? Well, I believe that both players will try to come back from their losses yesterday, and I believe it is one of those games in this match, which will end either with one player winning or the other. I don't believe that's going to be a draw. Yeah, I think that's going to be a very, very interesting match. Yavanka Kuhuska playing against Hussein Aziz. Yavanka should be riding high on confidence now. Hussein also, you know, he's been actually more solid than I had predicted. All right. But a good opportunity, I think, for Yavanka today. Now, indeed, the luck was on her side yesterday, and I believe she will try to use that momentum and have another win, perhaps, today. But you know, I'm actually thinking now that Hussein only played against E4 so far in this tournament, and I believe Yavanka is a D4 player. So that's going to be interesting. Yes, she has been, yeah. Yeah, that will be interesting. Let's see what Hussein has got up his sleeve, and last but not least, Marcel Efroimski playing against Bilal Belasin. That is also, that could be a potentially very wild game, because I don't think Bilal is looking to make a draw today. I think he wants to win. Yeah, actually, he's the only player, I believe, who so far has not made any draws. No draws. Yeah. He played, actually, a gorgeous few games. I mean, yesterday was a really nice game against Irene, and then he played a great game against Janssai as well. Very, very exciting chess. Very nice. So those are the pairings. We can see Marcel Efroimski sat down there. She's getting ready for her game against Bilal that we just mentioned, getting settled in, and we're going to be zooming out. And for all of you, again, who don't know, we are not at the Coletta Hotel. For years and years and years, this tournament took place at the Coletta, and unfortunately, with some reconstruction going on, we've had to move the event, but we are in a fantastic location anyway, in the Garrison Library, and it's a beautiful setting, nonetheless. Right. Lawrence, who do you think will have the toughest game today? The toughest game? I think that Eric Rosen with Black against Maria Muzichuk is going to be the one that struggles the most. Alternatively, it could be Joe Gallagher. Yeah, that's exactly my feeling as well. And judging by that, it means that men might be under big pressure on two of the games, and right, we're going to see how they will deal with that one. We will. And in the playing hall, we see now Brian Callahan, Brian, who may be making the first move, the honorary first move today. We've had ministers from local government. We've had local businessmen who are supporting the tournament. And now the man who really makes it all happen, the biggest supporter of chess in Gibraltar, for over a decade, Brian Callahan. Of course, he's really been the rock of Gibralton chess. Excuse the pun. And it looks as though he's going to be making the move for the game between Jhanshaya and... Ravi. Ravi Haria. And we can see the players waiting there. Some words by Brian. I obviously loves chess, loves Gibraltar, and has poured his heart and soul into making this event work, especially given the fact that his beloved Caleta hotel is no more after decades. And I spoke to Brian, the hotel was in his family for decades. So it went back 40, 50, 60 years, something like that. So heartbreaking that the Caleta has to go, but he understands that times move on, but we've got to keep on going, trying our best. And the other thing with Brian, of course, is that he has been single-handedly the biggest promoter of women's chess in the world, I would say. Exactly. I believe he's the one who's put Gibraltar on the chess map, and that is something we are all really grateful for. Yeah. He's put Gibraltar on the map, and he has made this an event that all of the top women in the world have had the pleasure of coming, and the honor of coming here. If I think of all the top women that have come over the years, I think pretty much every single big name has come, Ho Yee Fan. You did, I believe, was here. You did, has come. All the young talents, of course, even if you look at the tournament here, we've got some of the best players in the world. So he's managed to attract them, fantastic prize fund, and long may that tradition live. Right. And actually, if you ask any woman, you know, which tournament she would like to play, that's definitely going to be Gibraltar. Yeah. I would say a fair amount of women love this tournament and love it here. It's an interesting place, small place, got a very homely feel about it, and people love playing chess here. All right. We've got the games. They have kicked off. We're getting the moves through already. When we've got a few more, I guess we'll go to a game. And in fact, what we'll do is we're going to take a very, very short break and we're going to get set up for an interview with the man himself, Brian Callahan. So we'll be back in literally one minute. Hello everybody, welcome back. And we are joined by the man himself, Brian Callahan, the organizer, the brains, and the man behind this tournament, Brian. Welcome. I shouldn't really be saying welcome to you, right? I mean, you are Mr. Gibraltar. Well, but you're the Grand Inquisitor here. So, you know, and you'll be surprised to know this is the first time in 19 years that I've sat in this chair and been interviewed on screen. Really? It's the first time. Oh my goodness. That's an honor. Yeah. In all no, I had my arm twisted and, hey, I'm happy to be here with you. Well, as long as I'm not the Spanish Inquisitor, I guess it's okay. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We'll keep the bad jokes. You're the guy that asks the questions, you know. Well, let's see if we can do some. We're after, what are we? This is round five. Brian, this year things are a little different for years that I've known you and come to Gibraltar. We were down the road in your lovely Coletta, your beloved Coletta Hotel. Well, I know it's a very sentimental subject, but how are you feeling about the tournament being here this year compared to there? And, you know. Well, I think that we've built, if you like, the reputation of Jess in Gibraltar through a huge social scene over 10 days in the Coletta and the loss of the Coletta is, as you can imagine, one of huge sadness to me personally. We had to think out of the box, and I think that Gib in terms of chess is always thought out of the box. We started this tournament off. Frank, when I went to see Hastings, and many, many years ago, and we walked out of there saying, we can do better than this, you know, it was pretty awful. I'm not saying the chess was awful, but everything surrounding was awful. And we took the view that it should be possible to have some fun and have some enjoyment when you finish your game of chess. So that's how that started. And I've always favoured the ladies, if you like. So we thought that we'd invite some ladies in and try and encourage them. And suddenly we had a whole social scene going on. And we played very serious chess for very serious money. But there was a lot of fun being had at the same time. And I think that introduced a completely new element into the game of chess in terms of tournaments, because normally people who sort of played left, gone home, done whatever they've got to do. But under our roof, a major part of our activity was to try and provide entertainment and a social atmosphere. Well, I can tell you firsthand, Brian knows this as well, I've come to to roll to play. But I've also come just for the social element. I've, you know, I've literally travelled here in order to hang out with people. And in the Coletta, it was a hub. It was a buzzing hub of social activity. People were congregating in the baria, in the lobby, wherever it may be, there were chess players everywhere. But there was such a jovial atmosphere. And it's obviously extremely sad that we're no longer there. But looking forward to the future, I think, and I think I can speak on behalf of a lot of people, we don't want to lose that. And hopefully in the future, we can find a similar setting where everybody can enjoy themselves. Now, clearly this year, it's very different, because we've got global restrictions, basically. And you obviously can't do the same sorts of things. But if we're being optimistic and in the future, in the near future, these things get relaxed and we get back to kind of normal. Do you anticipate being able to create a similar atmosphere as well in the next two, three years in wherever it will be next time around? Well, it is my intent. To open the new hotel with a chess tournament. That is what I would like to do. Whether that is possible to achieve. But I say it now and I will work towards achieving that. And I think the Gibraltar has such an association with chess over so many years that, hey, it's a good target. We've been set back because of COVID. And last year, we didn't know quite what to do. And then speaking with Fide, they said, can you help us out? So we hosted the Woman's Grand Prix. You did? Yeah. And I think that we did a good job for Fide. And they took half of our team to go and work in Dubai, let me say. So I think we did quite a good job for them. And then this year, it's been in the back of my mind for some time that the women don't necessarily get equal opportunity at this game. And is this to do with their ratings? And you ask the question, why are there only two women in the top 100 in the world? And so you need to get into that a little bit and you try to find a way to establish some proof over a series of time, not just this tournament, obviously, that the women can play given the level playing field as well as men. Absolutely. And therefore, the objective is, how can more opportunity be given? And particularly at that sort of 2,500 rating in that area, 2,4 to 2,550 or 2,6 or something of this might. How can those players more easily earn a living? Or how can we help them to earn a living? Because obviously the people at the very top of the game making very good living. And my direction at the moment is that we should be helping the wider body of the game as best we can. I think that's very noble. And I think there's a lot to be said for that, because we have some fantastic players who you're right. They don't get the same opportunities as the absolute elite guys. And I would love to see everybody thriving who are super talents. And you're right. If we could create an ecosystem where that could be possible, I think a lot of people would be in favor of it, basically. Let's talk about this tournament this year so far. We're in this lovely Garrison Library, full of history, great setting. You've been following it. The ladies, they got off to a very strong start, but the boys have come back very hard. And then I was past a couple of rounds. In fact, last round, it could have swung, there was point swings all over the place. At one point, it looked as though the ladies were going to be winning by one or two. And then the boys ended up winning with one. It was absolutely fantastic. How have you sort of evaluated what's gone on so far? Well, I don't think it could have been better for the tournament. I don't think it would have been good if it had been all one way. I think that tomorrow we will be halfway through the event, and we're going to be where we started, pretty much. So we're building to quite a crescendo at the end. That would be great. And I think it's going to be very tight. There's a lot of interest to win. And I think it's going to be a great affair. I've always taken the women, most women that I've met, are smarter than me. And therefore, I don't see why they can't be smart on the chessboard. Well, I mean, absolutely. I mean, I had them down as big favourites, to be honest, before the tournament. Remember, we went for dinner. We discussed it at dinner. The organising committee, we've all had a little friendly wager before the tournament. We put in £5 or something for who's going to win. And my money was on the women, I have to say. Yours was too. But I think we could be in for a shock. We could be in for a shock, let's see, because the boys are coming back. Let me ask you another question. Who are your favourite players? We haven't really discussed this, but have you got any favourite players? Let me ask you, your favourite player from the women's team and your favourite player from the men's team. Have you got any pet favourites? No, I don't have pet favourites. And I think that that would be incorrect. Clearly, I have a great fondness for Pia. Yes, she's lovely. Because she's been here right from the very beginning. She has. Has she been to every single addition? She's been to every single addition. And in her first addition, she was pregnant with Anna. Oh, wow. She was now running her own streaming career. And I was watching her the other day with my grandson. And he said, hey, that's a good-looking girl. And I said, well, why don't we talk to her? He was absolutely, he was quite shocked. And so, yeah, I think that Pia stands out as a beacon of what this tournament is about. And Jovanka, of course, I think that she will freely admit that she had a first opportunity at commentating in this tournament. That's right. She did. And she's a wonderful commentator in her own right. Obviously, a lot of people will have seen her at the Meltwater Champions Chess Tour, the Magnus Carlson Tour, where she's going to be commentating again in about a month's time. She's got a whole year of commentating from the studio. She does a phenomenal job, but also a great player. She played a great game yesterday against Gillian. I mean, great to see her on the board. Yeah, I mean, it's neck and neck. It's so exciting. And I know a lot of people commenting are really appreciative of the fact that this tournament is able to take place under such tough conditions. And the coverage that we're getting, the sort of the numbers are sort of mind-boggling. I mean, the interest out there looking in on this. And don't forget, we've still got Tata going. I think they finish maybe tomorrow, is it? Or the day after? No, I think it's three more games. Three more games? Yeah, so probably towards around seven, eight, nine, 10. And it's not normally until they've really finished. They change dates a little bit. There are numbers really shoot up. But I think that we're really, this question of the women against a man has created some interest. I think it has. I think a lot of people are enjoying it. And I want everybody also at home to remember that there isn't a, there's no political underlying element. This is a fun event, engaging event where everybody, even though they're on two teams of friends, there's a very, very, there's a lot of camaraderie amongst all the players. And it's just a great, unique idea. And I think we're going to see many more in the future. I think it's so far, it's been very, very successful and popular amongst the public. So hopefully we get many more events in the future. Lawrence, thank you very much. Thank you so much, Brian. We're going to take a look again at the playing hold. We'll be back in one minute where we are going to kick off with the games. They're all in full flow. Don't go anywhere. Alright, welcome back. This is round five of Battle of the Sexes. The games have kicked off. And as expected, we've got all different kinds of positions on the board. And by the looks of things that are in it, just browsing through all of them, we're going to have a very, very interesting day. No flat, dry positions anywhere, actually. So I'm going to let you decide where should we go first? Who do you want to see first? Well, let's start with the games we thought will be the most challenging for the men's team. And let's go to the one of Maria versus Eric. It's been quite an unusual opening here, I believe. Yeah, we've got a very unusual opening. Well, the start of the opening is something we've seen already quite a lot in this tournament, which is a Sicilian defense, a mainline, and then D4. And here, Eric Rosen plays a very unusual move. The move Knight to F6, of course, the move C takes D4, the mains Sicilian move must be played 95% of the time in this position. Exactly. Knight F6 is a bit of an offbeat opening that Eric for sure would have prepared before the tournament. But what surprised me is actually Maria's reply, because you would expect her to play Knight C3 and go to that classical Sicilian, so then it will be Black's choice to go to a Knight Dorf or to, like I said, a classical position. And Bishop B5 check is not a move I know. And judging by the fact that Maria has taken seven minutes to make it, is she really knowing what she does? It's a very unusual move. As you said, Knight C3 looks like it would transpose to a Sicilian main, so Bishop B5 check. And now after Bishop D7, you're kind of forced to take. And after Queen takes D7, now this pawn is on pre here on E4. Have you ever seen this position before? Because I definitely haven't. No, I've not. And I've played a lot of chess and I've played a lot of these openings. I've never seen this. And I guess the point is that actually this is a pretty bad version of a normal Bishop B5 check Sicilian. So in other words, if White starts with Bishop B5 check, Bishop D7 takes and takes, White never plays the move pawn to D4 here. Instead, White either plays C4. We've seen this a few times. Or they prepare D4 by playing C3, short castle, Queen E2 and so on. Exactly. They go short castles and then something like this, trying to get in D4 in one go. So Maria, who's obviously very aware of this, understands that this isn't an ideal setup and instead takes on C5. But after the move Knight takes E4. I mean, D takes C5 also looks very reasonable to me, by the way. Exactly. I was surprised Eric did not go for that one. I believe he's not looking for an end game in this game. Yeah. I mean, I don't know because the way Eric played it after Knight takes E4, so he wins the pawn, Maria now chops this pawn, and he now chops the pawn with Knight takes D6. That Knight has made a lot of moves already. Castles and Knight to C6 and Knight to C3. And that's the position we have. So Maria clearly with her eye on just getting her pieces out rapid. And Eric? You know, I actually start getting worried for Black here because I see a very clear plan for White to go for Queen E2, Rd1, and then pressure the Knight on D6 because it would be great if I forced the pawn from E7 to come to D6 and be an isolated pawn. And actually, I don't really see how, because normally I would like here with Black to play G6, Bishop g7. But unfortunately, I think Black doesn't have time for that after Queen E2, Bishop g7, Rd1. Let's say castles. And now Knight to E4. Yeah. I mean, I'm not sure how bad this is, does... No, I... Maybe you've got Queen E6. Yeah. I wanted to try Queen E6 here. And if Knight g5, I wonder if I can start getting... All right. But I could avoid that by playing Knight b5 instead of Knight e4 with the same idea. Okay. Yeah, it's plausible. It might just be slightly better for White. Even if you take here, like, how bad is this for Black? I'm not sure because of the pressure down here. But I will have C3L. Yeah, C3, d5. You know, it's going to be... Be free. Right. So it's one of those typical slightly better for White positions. Yeah, but like you said, that might not be much because Black maybe will be able to play d4 at some point. Exactly. I think a more interesting, just again, looking at it, a way to play here, what intuitively came to mind was after Knight c3, if you go... Well, if... I wasn't sure about G6 or... There is also E6, right? Yeah. Let's try E6. I just thought, what about playing simply Bishop f4? And the point is that it's very important that this Queen on d7 is unprotected when Black castles. Let's say Bishop e7. So let's say Bishop e7 and now a move like, let's try, I don't know where... It's not completely clear to me where to go with the Queen. So I had two ideas. I had a Queen move and I also had to move Knight to e5 as an idea. All right, I will take that one. Yeah, something like takes, takes. Castle, yeah. Castle. And now I've got ideas of Queen g4. Again, I'm not sure how good this really is. I've got to play Knight f5, I believe. Yeah, Knight f5 and now some Rook a, d1. Queen c6. And maybe now I try some lift and claim a, a little bit of initiative. I don't believe it's probably very much, but of course White can't be worse here. That was one idea. And then another idea was, what if I just get a lot of things on the default? I could even try your move. I actually like that one more, yeah. Oh, let's say, but wait, if I castle now, then after Rook d1, it might be an unpleasant pin on the D-file. And the problem is I cannot really play Queen c7 because of Knight b5 and I'm pinned all over. Exactly. So I guess that I will have to move the Knight before castling. But then you're, you are getting hit by Rook d1. Queen c8. But now I start to get very, now I can get similar to what we just looked at. And even here I would be tempted by g4. Yeah, exactly. Because now my Knight is in big trouble and after Knight h4, which is kind of forced already, you can just take, take, maybe. Yeah, exactly. Or Queen h5. So for example, if h6, Queen h5 wins a piece immediately. Yeah, I like this, I like this idea a lot. And actually that's the point of my trying to play g6 in order to have that Knight protected by the pawn on e7. And he did play g6. So Eric has gone for this. It still feels ever so slightly like White has got half a move to try and make something work here. Yeah, indeed. That's exactly my feeling. And let's leave the players to, to try and figure that one out. Sure. Let's move to another game. Okay. Let's try the one of Gunai versus Joseph. Okay. Mama Zada playing Joe Gallagher. Already 12 moves played and we have a very theoretical position. Yeah, it's interesting that Gunai plays the Knight of White with Black. She really loves this kind of positions. And I actually liked what Joe did. He played after bishop e3, Knight to g4. Right. And knowing Gunai as being, as loving this setup with bishop e3, it's something which she cannot get anymore after Knight g4, right? Because she has to move the bishop away. Well, she could come back and then the best move is this. Right. And could she not go f3 here? Well, f3 is a possible move, but there are slight differences because I believe she really likes her pawn on f2 in all those English attacks. And she prefers the plan with h3 and f4 actually later. So this is a very smart way not to allow her favorite setups, I believe. I see. Yeah, the move Knight g4 in this position against the English attack was the main line in the 90s. I remember if you look back at these positions, all the top players, Gelfand and everybody else was playing Knight g4. But you know, actually it's quite logical because Knight g4, that's the only reason why bishop e3 might not be working as a concept, you know. And I really like that Joe has tried it in this game. And let's see how can I answer to that. Yeah, so Knight g4, she plays bishop g5 and now Joe plays the main idea, which is to kick with h6, bishop to h4. And now the very sort of... Principled. It's principled, but it's also double edged and strategically very double edged. The move g5, bishop g3 and bishop g7. So Black says you've moved your bishop one, two, three, four times already in the opening, that can't be good. Yes, I've weakened my king side and yes, I've especially weakened two key squares. But I can justify it because you've moved your bishop so much. And now this diagonal can get a bit dangerous if you don't know what you're doing with white. So yeah, this has been played a lot, h3. And now Black has got a clear choice. Knight f6 or Knight e5. Exactly. That is the fundamental choice. They lead to two totally different games. Joe decides to go with the move Knight to e5, which is perfectly fine. And here Gnai plays a move which I guess is the main line, although I'm not entirely sure of the theory. I'm not either. But Knight f5 makes a lot of sense, just getting to those light squares which Black has weakened. You have to take. You can't allow this knight just to be there, so you take it off. Pawn takes and Joe brings his other knight out to c6. And this is the position on the board. Very double edged. White has got the two bishops, but white is behind in development. Black has got a kind of dragon-esque position and Joe has spent exactly zero time. So Joe, well in book, Gnai, however, has already spent over 20 minutes. It looks as though she didn't look at this today and might be trying to remember some ideas. Perhaps Knight into d5. I remember being some kind of move here. If you're a bit slow with a move like Bishop e2. That's what I was going to ask. White wants to castle on the king side here, right? Because it would be very risky to go on the queen side with that nice Bishop on g7, Black's guard. Right, exactly. And my question is, do you start running into moves like queen b6 hitting this pawn? And your idea is that if knight d5, maybe I can just take it anyways. Yeah, that's interesting. But then perhaps I have the rook b1 in turn. Yeah, you might have rook b1. Even these positions are not potentially not, no, this is probably clear actually. Yeah, this move is important. I just want to illustrate that. If you go in for the check immediately and take this rook, this is where sometimes a tactic works out along the long diagonal. It's not letting me. Right, and she actually went for the knight d5 move immediately, not allowing Black's queen to b6 like you've just illustrated for us. Right, yeah. I vaguely remember this being the correct move. And I think here you go e6 is Black actually. Oh, that looks so, so risky. What about f takes e6? Oh, have I made this wrong? Fe6, Fe6. Queen h5? Can I do that? Queen h5, knight f7. Can this really work out? I vaguely remember the move e6 here. It could be completely wrong and I could be completely insane, but... It looks like it's working because then if I just sacrifice the knight on d5, you have just enough pieces covering the e5 square, right? Yeah. So I cannot really go for a long castle, e takes d5, rook to e1 because you just cover against this check. I cover, even king f8 might just be good enough here. Yeah, exactly. So I vaguely remember e6 as a theoretical move. The point is that if you do nothing here as Black, I wonder if White is actually threatening some kind of positional sacrifice with the move f6. For example, if you castle, can White just go f6 here? That would be definitely the first move I'd consider. Yeah, but that said, Black can just take with the pawn and f5 is coming next and f4 and who knows? Things can get completely crazy. Maybe here h4 or something, I don't know, can be considered. Yeah, or maybe even knight e3. Or knight e3, try and occupy the f5 square. All kinds of ideas. Again, as somebody who doesn't play this opening, I just have got a vague memory of something like e6, something like this, knight e4 or something. Against the chess principles, to open up the position when your opponent has the pair of bishops, why should it be fine here? How does Black justify this one? Well, I just think it's very concrete and we can talk about principles, but I just think it's been analyzed with computers and ultimately it either works or it doesn't. It's one of those positions. So we'll see if Joe does eventually play that. Let's move on to another. Oh, he did play e6, so this is clearly theoretical. Actually, maybe knight e3 immediately is the move now that I think of it. But look at that. Pina is once again very behind on the clock and I'm wondering, is it some sort of, is it a style thing? Because I see her doing like that every day and it doesn't feel like it matters that she knows the opening or if she's surprised, it just seems that she likes to take quite a lot of time in the beginning of the game. Yeah, I think she's just calming us. So I do think she's probably mildly surprised. Maybe Joe in his previous games hasn't played knight g4. That's my instinct that he plays more of a classical knight off. So she's just trying to remember. So we'll see. But it's going to be a very interesting game, whatever happens. So I'm excited about that. Let's move on. Let's go to another position. It's your turn to choose now. My turn. All right, let me see what we've got. Well, we've got a fascinating game between Nino and Gillian. Oh, that is some sort of, okay, it's not a Stonewall, but how do you call it? Like a Dutch? It's a weird Dutch. I don't know what kind of Dutch. This is the start of the Dutch defense and Nino plays the London system against the Dutch, which is a very, a very reasonable way of playing. Of course, the main lines are playing with c4, but you can play like a London system against it. Bishop f4, knight f6 and e3. This is all absolutely fine. And pawn to d6 by Gillian, completely fine. Knight to c3 and pawn to e6. Just playing a position. Knight f3, knight to c6, h3 and h6. Gillian playing very originally again. Will his king not get in trouble because, well, you would love to have g6, bishop g7 and then short castle on the board, but it takes quite a lot of moves. And otherwise, if you develop the bishop to e7, then you're not going to be able to play e5 anytime soon. It looks a bit risky for me, this setup for black. Oh, it's definitely risky. There's no question about it. It's a very double edged way to play. You're moving all your pawns in front of your king. You're creating weaknesses. Here is white. I want to punish black. I really want to, I want to say you can't play like this. Do you know the move I would play here, or one of the moves? Which one? Queen e2. Ah, so you want to go for a long castle and then go for, you know, actually I was thinking that you're going to play e4, but then now that g4 has become so fashionable, I'm thinking maybe g4 would also be an idea. Exactly, e4 or g4? Yeah, and Gillian will have to really find a way to respond to these ideas, because as I said, the king on e8 is really not doing great. You would want it to castle. Perhaps, no, but actually long castle could be possible, but then the pieces would be very weird. Bishop d7, queen to e7. Can that one really work? Yeah, bishop to e7 or queen to e7. It looks, it looks as though it's a, it could work. I mean, it could work, but I feel like I'm first here is white. Feels like I'm first. For example, bishop d7, castles, you go queen to e7. And now, maybe, maybe e4, no? e4 looks very reasonable, looks like a perfectly good move, something like takes, takes, and white is just miles better here. Alternatively, g4 is very interesting here as well, because after takes, takes in this position here, if you play knight takes g4, now I've even got ideas like d5. Now that the knight has been distracted, and something like e6, d5. Knight takes d5, black is already in huge trouble, because the queen would have to go back to d8 to protect the pawn. And then the king is in big trouble in the center, right? Exactly. So all the pawn breaks look good. Well, we're going to have to see what Nina's going to play. This plan with queen e2 and long castle definitely looks interesting, and we see that she's taking her time thinking in this position, trying to work it out. Yeah, a very exciting game it promises to be, right? Indeed. Okay, so let's, we'll come back to that one in a minute. We'll check out one more game, and let's see who we haven't seen yet, who we haven't visited, and I can see that Marcel Efroimski, let's go to her game against Bilal. The most uncompromised player so far with only two losses and two wins, no draws. Let's see if he will keep up in the same manner. And we get another Bishop b5 check. This seems to be a, you know, Marcel, we're seeing a lot of these Bishop b5 checks this tournament, and now knight to d7 we've seen a lot of Bishop to d7s, but this time Bilal doesn't want to simplify the position for Marcel keeps pieces on the board, and Marcel decides to go for the, what I would consider the old main line, pawn to d4 immediately, cxd4, and now the point is you can take with the queen, and the reason you can do this is because the knight has already developed itself to d7, so it can't come out to c6 and gain tempo, and the queen sits very nicely on d4. That is, of course, unless you kick it away with the move e5, which is one of the main ideas, but it's a very, very complex strategic idea that if you don't know what you're doing can go wrong very quickly because you give yourself a backwards d-pawn here, and the d5 square will be really weak. Exactly. And Marcel, she plays a move which I'm not sure is actually the main move here, which is going all the way back to d1. I tend to remember the queen just dropping back to d3, but queen to d1 has to be okay, knight c3, knight's here, and bishop to e7, and now Marcel plays a very natural move, a4 as well, gaining space. Just to be ready to meet a6 and b5, because now black's not going to have that option. Exactly. So castles and castles, all fairly standard, and now the move knight c5, so at least now the queen is not being hit, but a lot of the time we would get a transposition because the queen moves to e2 anyway, pawn to a6, kicking the bishop and bishop to c4, all fairly natural stuff. You know, I like a lot what Marcel's doing in this game, because Bilal played very aggressive chess in the last two games, and he proved very successful with that approach, and now we will see a strategical battle all around those white squares and the d5 square, perhaps actually it was played bishop d7, bishop g5, just trying to get that night. I believe that this is a really, really good strategy by Marcel to try to play in a strategical manner. Yeah, bishop g5, all very logical, and now Bilal played a very interesting move. He played the move knight to e6. Maybe this was his big plan from the start, hitting this bishop, and the point is when you take on f6, now Bilal can recapture back. What about knight d5 here? And knight d5, right. Yeah, this is all very standard stuff. I actually don't want even to take that bishop so far, because that dark squared bishop is a bad piece for black, having the pawns on d6 and e5, and my knight is very nice, but I want to increase the pressure on the d-file by playing rook f2d1, let's say, and then try to get to that d6 pawn. Yeah, indeed, and we're going to find out exactly what happens, because that's on the board, but we are going to take another short break. We've got another esteemed guest with us in the studio, so don't go anywhere. We'll be back in one minute with continued coverage of today's round five, Battle of the Sexes. See you in just a moment. Okay, welcome back everybody, and I'm absolutely delighted to be joined by his honor, Sergio Bosano, a member of parliament and the minister for economic development, Enterprise and telecommunications for Gibraltar. Mr. Bosano, thank you for joining us. Pleasure to be here. Now, my understanding is we've never actually had the pleasure of meeting. I might have briefly passed you in overall these years, but you've been a long-term supporter of Gibraltar, haven't you? Yes, from the beginning. Initially through the Gibraltar telecom company, which has stayed owned, and I'm one of the directors, and more recently, you know, when the company wasn't doing so well, the minister for economic development stepped in and took the baton in providing the support. On both occasions, it was under my remit. I see, okay. And it's a new venue this year, who's been at the Coletta all those years. But there's still, it's a very special event. You know, you talk to people about chess and Gibraltar, and they smile. There's a joy. What is it about Gibraltar that brings this joy to such a time? Well, I think you see that the fact is that we've achieved with chess something that's suddenly, in a very small way, an exposure globally, which is all our proportion to our size and population. I mean, look, there's only 32,000 of us, and this is only a couple of square miles. And it's a microstate, right, with all the problems and all the benefits of a state. Our parliament legislates independently. We have to pay our own way and with our own finances. And I think what we've done is done something that's got a global reach, which is something important for us. And I think also, although I'm totally ignorant of what's going on in this room. You and me both. I can tell you something that I think philosophically is important in what happens here. And the fact that there are so many millions of people following what's happening here. And the fact that if we analyse it, it's teaching us something about what is happening now to the human species and what is happening in terms of our civilisations. We're the only place in Gibraltar that has got white monkeys, the barbaric macaques. I remember, yeah, the macaques, yeah. And the macaques, of course, like other members of the primate branch of life, share a big chunk of the DNA. I mean, that is to say, the only reason why you are not a macaque is because there's a 2% difference between you and the macaque. Maybe not even 2% in my case, if you ask the production team. So I think sometimes much of our negative rivalries and fights and some of the problems of the world that are happening when people become very conscious about borders and threats and put the whole world at risk is, in fact, something that we carry in our genetic code from being a successful form of life that has conquered the planet at the expense of everything else. What we're doing now is that the miracle of internet brings us together. So increasingly, the internet is helping us to understand how much like each other we are in a particular field where we have a common interest. So at the same time, as we still carry the genetic code of rivalry and differences, and that is happening here, it is rivalry, which is not one that makes us enemies, but a rivalry that makes us friends. Wow. How wonderfully put, may I just say? I know I agree with you. I speak a lot. I use this word here, camaraderie. There's a camaraderie amongst the players. They are fighting on the board and they are competitive, but there's an atmosphere of friendship. There are 20 over 20 nations represented in this. I mean, to achieve that under these circumstances is really tough as well. National identity means that we had a young lady a couple of years ago that wandered this world where we never thought that one of our girls in Little Gibraltar would beat the rest of our girls in the planet. So I am one that is very favorable to beauty conscious because I think it has to do something with equality between males and females being something that should see women as human beings. But the reality is that we are all very proud for the place where we had a big party. I think she came to the chess tournament when she did the opening ceremony. That is a national identity. I am a socialist, but I believe in having a national identity. I think it is something fundamental to human beings. We need to belong to a tribe. It is part of discovering who we are and we discover who we are by reference to those around us. But what is happening now is that now you can belong to a geographically defined group with which you have relationships of being born in a place like Gibraltar. I think one of the most wonderful things about Gibraltar is that in some respects it is a little village and therefore I am going to be 83 this year. Wow. You look great. I will be standing for election again in a couple of years. It is my 50th year in the Gibraltar parliament. But the wonderful thing about a small place like this is that I have mates of mine who went to school with me and then became comrades of mine in the Socialist Party and now are grandfathers like me. That is what humans have that gives us the social bonding which all primates have. But then we have become so clever that we can do an equally strong bonding with total strangers all over the planet simply because we have got a common language in a particular area. So if we were talking about quantum physics, physicists would be talking to each other independent of their background and the nationality and understanding each other. And if we have people who are top chess players they are the equivalent of those physicists doing the same thing. And this is a remarkable thing. It is. It is phenomenal. And I am so proud and honoured really to be here commentating on this which perhaps the last question I will ask you because I know you are very busy is this particular format is a very provocative format. It is men against women. You do not get that in many sports for obvious reasons. But we are lucky enough to be able to do that in chess. Have you been to events men versus women before in anything or have you got any views on the concept? I think I remarked when I opened it on the first day that in these days one has to be so careful about saying anything about anything without crossing red lines. Even to talk about the battle of sex is probably something that somebody will complain about. But I think the one thing that I mentioned having heard before that the reason why it was not happening was that it was considered that men had an innate competitive advantage that it would be something great if it was proved that the result of the competition proved that in fact they do not have a competitive advantage and given the way it is going and how tight it has been. It is clearly going to be the case. That theory I think especially in chess needs to be rubbish because we have got some fine young ladies playing. I mean they are, when I look at some of the players, I mean they can really play chess. I think all of our hope, Brian perhaps you and I know most of the people working here, our hope is that one day is that we can produce world champions who can challenge for the top top places and we produce many more super talents over the next few years. That is the hope and it is an absolute pleasure to be able to look at their games. I am secretly hoping, well not even secretly I have said it on air now, I hope they crush the men. I mean I hope they just give them a good old hiding because all of these guys you know Joe Gallagher and who are all washed up old grandmasters, let us give them a good shooing. We are in full swing. Well thank you so much for your support. Thank you so much for the future. I hope and I hope good luck with your reelection and again a big thanks to the local government as well for years and years of promoting chess and I know many people are looking forward to coming back to Gibraltar to play chess. It is a pleasure to have you here. Thank you so much. All right let us take another bird's eye view of the playing hall while we get set up. We are going to be back in just one minute and we'll be looking at any developments in these games. So thank you sir Joe Bossano. Thank you so much. Welcome back everybody. This is round five of Battle of the Sexes live from the Garrison Library here in Gibraltar. We just had sir Bossano who was extremely insightful into you know the concept of rivalry and evolution and that was extremely extremely interesting to listen to. I suggest you all go and wind that back and have another listen if you missed out. For the moment though Irina we've got a bunch of games that we haven't yet covered so let's go to one that we haven't seen yet. Let's go to the game of Jean Saia versus Ravi. Because it looks like a very interesting opening to me. Jean Saia is playing with the white pieces so D4 going for the Scotch yeah. Yeah first time we've seen this actually this tournament a Scotch opening in full. I know that she has won some really nice games in the system with Bishop to C5 actually two of them against a former ex-world champion who's also here Antoinette Stefanova. But here Ravi plays Knight of Six the main line I believe. Knight takes, B takes, all theory so far, Queen is seven, Queen E2, Knight D5. Just very yeah quickly it's this move Queen E7 is the best move because you force white to put the Queen in front of the Bishop and the Bishop can't develop and then and only then you play Knight D5. Well C4 now and I know that Black has two main moves Bishop to A6 pinning that pawn to the Queen so that we can't capture that Knight on D5 but Ravi has chosen the Knight B6 one which is also a main line and now a slightly a slightly surprising move Knight to D2. I believe Knight to C3 was more widely played yeah but Knight D2 was it a surprise for Ravi because he took like 17 minutes? Yeah it might have been a small surprise it's not that much of a sideline if I mean if you play this with Black you really should know what to do against Knight D2 also the move B3 or even sometimes a move like H4. A very modern way of treating this have all been played Knight D2 is not really a sideline and the move A5 I believe is the correct response. The idea is that if white now plays the move pawn to B3 trying to Fianceto this Bishop but also setting up some kind of sturdy pawn chain the point is that A4 now comes and after Bishop to B2 you can take and now play the move Queen to A3 if I remember correctly my theory. Exactly and that's exactly the point why Black is actually already better here. B3 is not the move played Queen E4 was played instead somehow trying to open up the light squared Bishop because White would like to finish the development with castling short I believe. Yeah and Ravi also plays if I recall again the I think it is the main move which is to play Queen to E6 and the idea is to be able to develop this Bishop somewhere along the diagonal. Gensaya plays the very natural Bishop D3 now of course you are targeting H7 so castling is not easy and you've also got to decide where you want to put your King here with Black because a lot of the time you can castle on the Queen side for example playing the move Bishop A6 here is very logical putting a bunch of pressure down here well yeah there can be also some plans with D5 right exactly D5 immediately might even be a move here the point being that if you take I take on D6 yeah I can probably just take with the pawn maybe even with the Bishop but with the pawn and claim that the exchanging of Queens I can't be doing too badly but I can't remember is the honest answer I can't remember anything it's been a long time since I played this position you can sometimes also put the Bishop on B7 castle on the on the on the Queen side and then try and organize C5 to open up this diagonal so lots of different plans but it's gonna be a very interesting game you know I've been playing all these positions with White but having the knight on C3 and I'm very curious to see what is the difference that this move knight to D2 is bringing to the game because I feel there are certain subtleties here which White could could try exactly so we'll see what happens there let's continue our nose through the games Murray Sabak we haven't checked out yet Murray playing Ballas Chonka a very solid position on the board as we expected it was a Berlin anti-Berlin here Bishop c5 exchanging here and I Bd2 this position been played thousands of times at top level important to point out that the move knight takes c5 is never winning a pawn for White because Queen d4 with a double attack on the f2 pawn and the knight on e5 yeah just wins so White plays knight bd2 and now you do have to defend that pawn in a lot of in a lot of positions because knight b3 might be a threat or so Black plays the move knight to d7 and now White attacks the pawn and Black protects with f6 this has all been played many times White castles and here Chonka plays after 12 minutes so he had a good thing here the move knight to f8 which you know I believe that he didn't want to castle immediately because he might have been worried about moves like knight to h4 probably with all kind of ideas f4 later on and that is the downside of playing a move like f6 because you slightly weaken that f5 square and the knight from d7 you know it's a bit in the way of Black's bishop from c8 controlling f5 so maybe that's why he decided to first solve the problem of that square so I guess yeah knight f8 yeah so knight f8 and the idea is yeah to bring this knight to e6 in a lot of variations Murray played bishop e3 developing with tempo exchanging Black's bishop off the board takes knight takes a 96 and we have this position on the board which is uh well actually Murray now played a very interesting move she played the move queen to e1 I really like this one you know her point is that she really wants Black to castle short because then again the knight on e6 is standing in the way of the bishop and you can play something like knight h4 going for the f5 square and even following up with sorts of either f3 and queen g3 or g3 and f4 and the queen will be closer to to Black's king side that's certainly one idea I think there are some other ideas with this move as well sometimes you get a weird weird moment where you can either you can post the queen out here in some positions either an a5b4 or c3 let's say for example castles and now let's just say for example the move queen c3 it looks a little unusual it looks very strange yeah it's very strange especially if Black can play c5 and kind of clamp down so maybe that's maybe that's just not not a very good idea another idea could be to play rook d1 and d4 but I know right that's not the usual way of white handling those positions because many times even if you eventually get the pawn majority on the king side having the bishop against the knight with pawns on two flanks is just enough for Black to have a decent a decent position right exactly yeah so it's gonna be interesting what plan will Marie choose he she could go more ambitious today perhaps we will see that one coming as she has free draws so far or is it for I think she has all draws actually I think so yeah I think so all right let's move on we haven't checked out the game between Olga gear and Sabino Brunella so let's go there now Sabino had some wild positions in this tournament so far this time he's gone for queens indian is it queens indian with bishop a6 b3 and dropping the bishop back all very known stuff and the move a5 you know what I heard in one interview I don't remember who that who that exactly was but it was during the tata steel and somebody was saying that you cannot really play the queens indian with black anymore on top level and I think it was somebody said this like a mean comment towards Richard or somebody who did play it in the tournament and they say they said that all right if somebody would play against me the queens indian every time I play d4 you know I would be 2900 or something along those lines was that this year yeah yeah really I wonder who said that yeah I'm also curious perhaps our viewers could suggest us the name of the player who said that if they were following that one perhaps we could ask Sabino how does he feel about it well clearly he doesn't think that the queens indian is losing and I highly doubt it's losing so we'll see so after bishop d2 well the main move for years was to actually just to drop the bishop back to e7 and you might ask well why did black give a check only to come back when he can go to e7 in one go and the idea is that you claim that the bishop on d2 is actually sorry you claim that the bishop on d2 is actually badly placed after bishop e7 that white would like to have more control of the d5 square because d5 is such a big move in a lot of these positions but Sabino instead played another well known idea which is to protect with a5 white castles black castles now you kick the bishop back by force and the bishop comes back the knight comes to c3 all very standard stuff and now another typical queens indian move knight into e4 attacking the bishop at night and the point is that if you take this knight after bishop takes e4 the bishop actually sits really nicely on e4 it's very difficult to dislodge the problem you've got is if you play a move like knight e1 when all these pieces come off and now black plays d5 you've got absolutely nothing here with white exactly and actually I've been on the black side of the board in these types of positions a lot actually against Olga herself I lost a very important game in that one in black with black because it was during a world rapid championship and it was one of the only games I lost there I was leading and yeah I believe Olga knows knows the important stuff in this opening queen c2 which is again a standard move in the queens indian the inclusion of a5 and a3 and b3 might make this a little bit there's some very subtle differences now takes and now she decides to take with the with the knight and not with the queen which is interesting that's really an unexpected turnout of the events because that means that black solves a lot of the opening problems like you mentioned yeah he could just take and play d5 that's exactly what happened he played d5 and normally this isn't very much for white at all after takes takes okay the knight came back to f3 but that was her point now that she played on 16th move pawn to e4 and now we can see that black's knight is still on b8 and if you take on e4 which actually happened in the game now after knight e4 let's say it will be not so easy to develop that knight from b8 because it has to protect the pawn on c6 it is an interesting point even though I'm not sure if the pawn would have been on a2 perhaps I would think that white is better but here somehow the rook on a1 has to stay there and protect the pawn on a3 what do we think of this position yeah well for a start I'm not sure and Olga's taking a moment to think here because after e4 d takes e4 it's not clear to me which recapture is actually better queen takes e4 is a very valid move after knight takes e4 I guess as black here you can consider even the move queen d5 to be able to then try to develop the knight to d7 what about a move like knight to e5 does it doesn't work no even queen d4 perhaps yeah oh sorry the king is on g2 the king is on g2 exactly yeah yeah then it makes a big difference and then probably probably she will be taking with the queen indeed well she can also go back to c3 here I was trying to make something like this work and now let's say queen to d6 perhaps but that would be a weird repetition of 94 queen d5 it's a weird one yeah but I guess the point is that if I can if I can get my knight to f6 successfully I'm probably doing okay but I still do have some weaknesses so it's it's not completely clear to me whether this has worked out better for white or black so I'm very interested in how this game will develop we'll keep an eye on it let's go to Irene's game we haven't uh sorry we did check that out no we didn't I beg your pardon we haven't seen Irene yet and it was caro khan expected and the exchange and the modern variation with bishop d3 very popular variation I know Irene has won some games with that one so I guess both players kind of expected to see that this line on the board um c3 queen c7 knight e2 yeah an interesting move many times it supports the bishop from c1 coming to f4 uh well yeah an interesting line and I see that after bishop g4 f3 uh black went for bishop to d7 uh bishop to a four now correct and e5 right well it is a very direct approach because strategically it isn't such a great idea to play with an isolated pawn but because white's pawn is already on f3 somehow there are a lot of dark squares so we can there so black is perhaps playing for the activity in these types of positions exactly so black says well you've created all these dull squared weaknesses I've got a very weak pawn and that's a justification um so Irene now castles bishop to d6 by leandro knight to d4 okay you have to be careful at some point on moves like knight takes a free right uh with a discovered uh or is it a discovered attack or how do you call that yeah discovered attack uh for now it's not possible because the queen and the rooks are protecting the f4 bishop but it might be an idea to keep the iron exactly so here you can't quite do it so leandro just completes development with knight f6 bishop f5 and castles and after bishop takes d7 it is leandros move I have to say um I'm not that in love with white's position I think uh black has got one of those versions of an isolated queen's pawn that is really quite fine is it because of the pawn on f3 yes yes it's just because of the pawn on f3 and you know after let's say queen 67 the rooks can come into the middle very quickly the knight can jump from e5 to c4 perhaps and somehow disturb white's pawn on b2 indeed and queen 67 played and as I say I'm not it's one of those isolated I mean in general with the isolated queen's pawn when you're playing against it you really want to have as many pieces on the board as possible and uh do you actually because it is a strategy to uh to sorry I'm sorry I beg your pardon sorry the other way round when you're playing against the isolated queen's pawn you want to you want to take pieces off the board and it will be not so easily achieved here by white exactly because of those light squares which uh black's knight from e5's got all right do we have any other games to check or I think we've looked at all of them so what we're gonna do is we're gonna go for a short break and uh while doing that you could enjoy the life feed from from the playing hall a really nice venue we've got the garrison library yeah you you might have the live feed we might even have a video snippet for you in any case we'll be back in just a few minutes all games still in play lots of action to come so don't go anywhere see you soon everybody welcome back this is round five of battle of the sexes jib chest 2022 uh in the break we have had a result come through arena and it's a draw perhaps a little premature between Marcel Efroimskiy and Bilal Beracin but I've just had a little thought about that one yeah it might have been a part of a strategy from the women's team because Bilal has scored two points in the last two days against women and perhaps they just wanted to not to allow him to get too excited you know just to hold his horses off I I I agree I think because you know last night in the lobby of the hotel Pia had another meeting with the team and I think she's been giving clear instructions about which games I think she thinks is a game to really play hard and others which not and maybe she said to Marcel look uh you know Bilal he's playing very aggressive enterprising chess play something calm and solid don't risk too much and if you don't have anything uh good uh or anything particularly special on the board a draw is fine I think that that is a very good to be the case yeah it could be and they agree to draw in this position after night f4 and I don't think it's uh it's it's a bad agreement because well uh for a start white has got many options here but but I have a question what about a move like queen d2 here yeah okay so you play queen d2 you just take bishop takes and just queen c7 and even though you have control of the d5 square it's really not that much it's a typical knight off position and the advantage is slim yeah because black could go bishop c6 then b5 and I don't see much going on here the knight is badly placed on f3 because it cannot get really fast to d5 yeah seems like a fair result even though they could have showed us a bit more yeah of their ideas no yeah but it's fine and a peaceful ending there let's carry on let's let's actually go to Eric Rosen but back to Eric Rosen against Maria Muzichirk we were saying around here that I felt like white was in time to exploit and take advantage of her lead in development because it takes Eric two more moves to get castled but apparently there is no direct way to do that so she played the move bishop f4 which is the move we expected bishops g7 and queen e2 very similar to what we looked at connecting the ropes I'm looking to bring a rook into the game with the move rook a to d1 and I actually really like what Eric did in this position he played queen f5 saying that he's ready to sacrifice a pawn because now after bishop takes knight he takes rook takes white is a pawn up but perhaps black could play all right I'm not saying this is the best move but even moves like bishop takes c3 could be considered somehow spoiling white's pawn structure and then having those doubled c pawns as a target on the c file I mean that's definitely a possibility and of course sometimes your compensation is so great here with this wonderful dragon bishop that you don't even need to take simple moves like well you could attack the queen first with rook e8 or you can play rook a to c8 you can even exchange one pair of rooks and your claim here is that the extra pawn is very difficult to leverage because the knights don't really have clear angles you know oh wait even knight b4 instead of rook c8 is possible to attack the c2 pawn yeah knight b4 for example is a move there are all kinds of moves here and intuitively again it doesn't feel like white is able to do this successfully and just win a pawn because as you said at the very least I don't think this position is bad for black after bishop c3 b6 c3 and that's exactly why Maria did not take on d6 but she played knight to d5 instead and now a very energetic reply from from Eric he played e5 yeah I kind of like it again without analyzing a single variation it feels like a good way to make white's pieces leave their active positions now because now the bishop has to go and perhaps in the near future the knight can jump to d4 or the pawn can go to e4 and yeah that's going to be an interesting battle here has Eric actually blundered here how so because after so let's just break this down so the one thing about knight d5 is what you look at here is you are always eyeballing 97 check right which is a fork against the queen and king so after e5 which looks like a logical move to attack the bishop and reduce some pressure on e7 has he missed the move knight takes e5 or is this just okay because what do you think he wanted to play here I don't believe he missed it because it's the first thing you would check exactly because of that fork from e7 but maybe he had in mind a move like rook to e8 trying to pin the knight oh and now after rook e2 you've got knight to e7 for king that queen anyways but I'm not forced to take on e7 here right no you're not forced to take and if king here takes takes but if we look now this is a pawn but actually two of white's pawns are hanging both c2 and b2 but it can get still probably okay for white for example rook d2 I take the pawn and rook b1 and now my pawn from b7 will be will be oh but wait you have troubles on the last rank I could try move like rook to d8 perhaps c4 oh you have this move I was thinking about something like b5 but it cannot really work because the rook from b2 will be protecting the bishop from d2 there's also a check on the long diagonal so I wonder because Eric is taking a moment here too I mean when you play e5 and your opponent responds knight takes e5 in general you should reply immediately because this is a move that you have to calculate now again I'm not saying Eric has missed rook f8 knight takes but there are some other moves to consider here what about bishop e5 instead of rook take rook f2 e8 sure bishop e5 bishop takes I guess yeah and now rook to e8 can I do something like that knight f6 queen takes takes take take and take on c2 now rook e1 and I'm very worried if I'm black here yeah because that bishop on f6 is such a great piece and we have weaknesses near to our king on the dark squares yeah that might be a big problem for Eric so let's see this again so knight takes e5 is there any other move well no there is no other I mean you have to do something here if if I if I can take your knight on c6 it's all over because I then hit you with 97 so let's try bishop takes e5 again bishop e5 I don't see it you know what wait what's happened here sorry but I can take with the queen on e5 yeah sorry what's going on am I losing a piece or am I losing my mind no you're not losing a piece because I take take and then I can go 97 or knight f6 and then take on d6 yeah and we get this position now this feels a lot more playable for black yeah because you could try something like knight I'm not sure knight c4 you have rook d7 perhaps rook to e8 first rook to e8 is possible but I was also thinking can we just go rook to d8 oh trying to trap that knight on e7 yeah that might be an interesting idea because if I play rook f2 d1 then I might get into troubles with my last rank for example knight d5 knight c4 is already winning for black exactly and Eric has just taken on e5 with the bishop so now there is another move here you don't have to take with the bishop you can take with the queen you're being tricky but it doesn't make a difference because I can take with the queen as well worst-case scenario yeah but I wonder is there any difference in this variation with 97 check the answer probably is that there is this is probably very good for white because I for sure white yeah I because I for sure king to a dox takes f5 I will have f6 here compared to the previous variations I just put the bishop on c3 and I'm a pawn up yeah not to mention I've got g4 g5 ideas and no this is this is very bad for black this is just a pawn yeah and that means that he will have to take with with the queen on e5 right okay so he takes with the queen we take you must take and we get to the same variation we've just looked right yeah exactly now maria can't play like that so what if she puts the knight on f6 check let's try this one king g7 again but now the knight from f6 is in trouble wait wait couldn't I play something like knight c4 now oh knight c4 immediately yeah because the rook from d6 is protecting the knight on f6 now maybe oh no I'm afraid to take the pawn on b2 but perhaps I can't take it actually you can probably take it knight takes b2 I mean after knight d5 I have moves like b5 even okay there might be even rook d8 but b5 just makes sure that my knight is not trapped on b2 this feels like a position that will just actually die to a draw because I think that's why you should probably go rook d1 here rook b1 what about rook ah rook b4 is quite the same yeah yeah rook b4 rook d1 I think this is this if and maria did play queen takes it wait but what about knight ah knight d7 I have rook c8 it's all right maria took on e5 yeah and we could we could really get this this looks like a very I mean Eric I think has to play queen takes e5 here exactly and that will most likely end with many trades and then a very equal position might be reached exactly I think well but this is great by Eric because we thought it was one of the toughest game of the match and we thought he might have some difficulties against maria's white pieces yeah and and I like how confident he was playing all these moves quite quickly he took only six minutes to make e5 on the board yeah and I think his position is fine all of these end games look like black is getting active enough quick enough and white can't consolidate the the pawn advantage so right all right so it looks looking decent for Eric to to be in a decent position let's go to another game and should we get to peer cramling we haven't seen peer yeah let's let's check the game she's playing against bobby chang yeah we thought this is one of the most solid matchups today yeah and bobby playing a vienna game and peer playing the classical pawn to e3 transposing to a kind of queens gambit accepted exactly if you play c5 here bishop takes c4 we have one of the main queens gambit accepted but bobby decides to play a newish way of playing which is to play p6 bishop takes c4 and develop the bishop on the long diagonal castles and bishop before all very standard stuff fighting over the four square right queen e2 short castle knight to e5 well that's a move I'm not familiar with because normally you get those positions with black having the knight on d7 already so it might be an interesting idea what does pia have in mind after knight bd7 now is she gonna play a move like f4 or is it just too risky no I don't think she wants to I think she she possibly oh there's one more possibility maybe knight d3 yeah no I was looking at knight d3 but then bishop d6 now I was hoping to make before work you can actually make even e4 well e4 e5 is interesting I was also thinking after 93 maybe you can take but you're right now I have ideas of going f3 and e4 and white has got a really nice pawn structure in the center right right yeah very interesting move this knight to e5 and I'm quite curious yeah how did Bobby play after after that well he he just played c5 immediately trying to to challenge white's center makes a lot of sense yeah but the problem is that the bishop is already on b4 and now after ps move which is knight to a2 that bishop is actually in trouble because the pawn from c5 cannot really move as it's protecting the bishop and is that bishop stuck over there well the bishop comes to a5 and this move bishop a5 is actually a fairly standard idea that you see in a lot of these positions the bishop can never really get trapped there well of course it can if black is careless but a top player of course will most likely not fall for that and so I think I think this is fine for Bobby rook to d1 the queen I have to say that I I prefer white's position here and by quite a large margin because well that bishop from a5 could get back into the game only if black succeeds to play b5 and I have very good control over that square with white both my bishop and my queen is on the f1 a6 diagonal the pawn on a4 controls b5 um I'm not sure what to think of this one even though you know there is also a downside for white that knight on a2 uh cannot actually come back to the game either because any square it will choose it can be traded exactly and Pia played b3 yeah b3 and knight c6 and the bishop to b2 I think I think this position is uh is fine for black really I'm not that convinced that white is putting on huge pressure but but I think you do have to be precise here I might have an interesting plan here for white knight c1 and the second knight goes to d3 I mean the one from a2 finds its way towards that square just in order to avoid black trading that bishop from a5 yeah black also has has his own ideas perhaps he could play something like knight b4 at some point not sure not sure it's it's not a position I'm very comfortable with as black even though my intuition says I think I'm fine I'm not like the the ideas don't come quickly to me here perhaps black has to do some waiting rook moves yeah some rook d8 or something like that because the point is that after knight c1 perhaps I could try bishop b4 with the idea of taking on d4 and then going with the bishop towards the king side you mean here or yeah here knight to c1 bishop b4 I see bishop to b4 because after knight d3 I think I've got enough time to take on d4 it should be a good position no I'm not sure can you take on c6 well I can actually can't because I will take back with the queen oh you're mating me yeah but what if I just take I take back then with the knight and bishop takes d4 it reminds me a little bit about yesterday's game which we saw between who was it with white was it chanka against sebag or no they're playing today actually it was it was also maybe it was bobby against it it was marie it was definitely marie was it was bobby against marie yeah so now he might be on the other side on the other side exactly exactly okay I mean it's it's one for bobby to think out but I certainly uh doesn't feel like it's he's really much behind on the clock yes by the way pia has an hour and he's got less than 30 minutes yeah he's he's spent a long time let's go to one of the more exciting positions and let's go to Nina Batsyashvili against Jillian because yeah that one looked really exciting yeah remember how in this position here I was saying that I like intuitively liked the move queen to e2 here well you know went for went for it straight away wow g4 is really the most fashionable move these days it really is yeah um and it's it it's a well known move but it but it's it makes a lot of sense and uh Jillian's reply is also very modern which is to go g5 just so people at the home know if you do take and take twice the problem with this is you leave yourself very exposed so in this position here you don't have to win the pawn back as white the idea is to try and expose this king so for example a move like bishop d3 coming in here or queen d3 is possible or even knight g5 might just be or even knight h4 or knight h4 both of these knight moves uncovering attack on here and knight g6 coming this is horrible for black this can this can you can lose this position very very quickly because if you're open king so Jillian plays g5 which is just an incredibly risky move no well it's risky but it's also probably the the correct way because you force the bishop back and now you go bishop g7 and you try to get some kind of position nino took on f5 again that's move that might not be necessary here i really don't like it actually couldn't she try something like perhaps d5 isn't possible because then that bishop from g7 will get opened up right well i mean if we see how she plays i will see that i actually i actually don't mind it because of her follow-up which was takes takes and now d5 so the idea is that the knight comes to e7 you over protect this pawn and after a6 you put the knight on d4 this is the game and you're saying look at this huge hole in your position here Jillian what are you going to do i can play 96 whenever i want your f5 pawn is weak it's very difficult to castle because your your king can you know i can play h4 and try and open up some files right so how do you plan to navigate this position and i have an idea perhaps i could play knight e4 i'm not sure if immediately or my goodness yeah perhaps after after short castle then okay so castles all right let's see here uh because for white it's also a very unusual position yes you should be careful because after all black is ahead with the development surprisingly here and with white you probably don't really want to castle short because after moves like f4 you might get into serious trouble you know because the pawn on h3 will be hanging i think it's a very double edged position actually and it's so funny i've just thought that jillian actually has played so far only off-beat openings wants to surprise his opponents with yeah he has he's a very off-beat opening kind of guy absolutely and he's about to oh he played b5 he's sacrificing all the light squares is he no he doesn't want to take this point okay well nino is gonna play bishop b3 it might actually i don't like this b5 move no me neither because now a problem will be that after a move like short castle from black you might even have to consider moves like knight to c6 and suddenly the king is in trouble and also that bishop from c8 is a bit strange there yeah possibly i mean i'm it's not overly forcing i mean i have queen e8 and i even taking i'm not sure how bad this is because f4 is coming in in a lot of variations what about to move like h4 now that was my idea to try to exploit black's position yeah now we give up squares now i move like knight e2 and yeah somehow if this diagonal a2 g8 is opening up black's king suddenly doesn't feel as comfortable as before right exactly bishop b3 was played yeah i think jillian is playing a bit recklessly he's playing it's a bit reckless uh yeah uh i like nina's position here yeah me too i really like nina and she has had a few rough days she lost two games in a row and i believe it is exactly the moment when she will try to come back and and win this game i believe jillian will have to be really careful because the position might go very bad and very quickly and now he will need some accurate moves and i'm not sure he'll be able to come up with them yeah i agree i think jillian is in has got some problems in this position long term all right let's carry on now there is a game i'm looking out the corner of my eye that looks like a game we have oh and we have another draw actually oh we do between marie and ballash yeah and i will have to say that i am disappointed in marie yes okay that's rough of me to say but so many draws yeah she has made all draws and all quite fast yeah i know she's such a great attacking player she is yeah i know well that we have to give her a little bit of leeway because she did have corona a week ago so she got corona or two weeks ago she recovered but the after effects obviously can can still be there and i i'm not so sure if she has the energy she already booked everything it was last minute so yeah i all right then my guess is that it should be the reason because otherwise she plays very fighting chess yeah she's an extraordinary fighter and class tactician and everything so it doesn't surprise me so much uh hopefully she improves after the rest day get some rest and can start fighting again but i know it's been it's been hard for her ballash of course well it's uh you know a perfectly good result for him he's been of all the the men are you know one of the more stable reliable guys so so is it a word you'd use when describing ballash what would be one if you could choose well ballash mr reliable reliable all right mr reliable and then marie is mrs reliable and she's mrs reliable exactly all right a good pair up then for today's match very very solid solid players there was a game that i was looking at and i was like oh we haven't actually looked at it yet and i think it's the oh no we did look at it but it it has progressed very early yeah yavanka huska playing white against hussein as is and hussein plays this very fashionable move night d7 on move two against the reti this move didn't exist when i was a youngster or at least people didn't know about it the point is that if bishop g2 you allow e5 and you get a kind of pierce reversed exactly and you don't want that and so if you want to prevent black playing e5 you play the move d4 and now black has got this extraordinary idea playing night b6 again this concept simply didn't exist years ago and the reason why you play night b6 is if you just play the move night f6 white might be able to play the move c4 and claim that uh she's got a good version of a catalan so the night b6 basically stops white playing c4 at all costs now the downsides of this move is that the knight looks a bit funny on b6 exactly and it also does not really control the e5 square and yeah you stop c4 but then it has like you said the strategical downsides that later in the game you won't be able to bring it to the important squares and now i really like yavanka's move a4 trying to immediately challenge that knight on b6 and after a5 she played b3 a double fiancetta also controlling the c4 square so the knight is not jumping there anytime soon bishop f5 followed yep this is now getting the bishop out knight bd2 and e6 all very classical stuff bishop to b2 and h6 also very clever by hussein just giving his bishop a safe space here on h7 okay pieces came out bishop g2 knight f6 castles bishops e7 all fairly standard and now knight to e5 as you said black doesn't have control but what black does do in this position is he just says okay well you have e5 for the moment but i can always come back the knight isn't doing anything i'll challenge you there and i've still prevented you from playing c4 and challenging in the center and it's very important that black's light squared bishop is already on a five because we see many times that it struggles on c8 in these types of how to say how to call them queens gambit or katalan or double fiancetta however you prefer and i really like the bishop on a five actually yeah so knight d3 was played here so knight d3 knight b to d7 so knight d3 trying to keep pieces on also kind of classic idea because black is it has a little less space but i don't believe it's anything too serious c6 c4 and now really a very surprising move to my eyes but i i really like the concept behind it you know you see a weak square on b4 you know it is so interesting because sometimes you have a position and you are not sure how to continue and you often forget to ask yourself which piece could i improve and i believe that's exactly what hussain has done here he thought okay what is the knight on d7 doing i have such a nice square for it on b4 and he found the best route for it yeah he's investing a bit of time but he's saying he's saying that the knight sits very well on b4 and if the knights are traded the bishop will also sit very well there so this move makes sense and now another move which is very interesting by yvanka knight to f4 and her idea is that she wants to prepare e4 now i have to say it's all very very unusual it's all all these pieces on the board i mean no piece has been exchanged but you know it's so interesting when you play f3 you should be aware that the dark squares around your king are somehow weakened and then black might try some ideas with c5 at a point you know i'm not saying it's right now and then the king might be a bit in trouble but then if you play c5 maybe you weaken the b5 square but once again you don't have anything to go to place on b5 it's so interesting i could go on and on with trying to justify the position both for white and for black and i think it's actually really complex and it probably should be balanced now feels like it should be quite balanced yeah and we see yvanka going for that e4 push and the bishop comes back queen e2 regates white has got this big center but the question is is it actually doing anything because this bishop is so good on h7 combined with this knight is that e5 always well i say it runs into something it doesn't the knight protects the d3 square so you could theoretically think about playing e5 at the right moment yeah but the problem is that after an id7 probably i already want to play c5 and you don't really want to take on d5 right because then i will have the c file for myself and then the c2 square the d3 ones might be even weaker than they are and somehow the bishop from b2 is not really attacking black's king and it actually reminds me of the game between phabbe and was it anish yeah i think it was caruana versus anish from the recent tata steel where actually phabiano struggled to to make that b2 bishop come to see one then attack on the king side right yeah it could be the case that yvanka will have to to do something different and maybe she doesn't want out and actually she played knight to d3 instead of e5 yeah so she put the king on h1 who same played the very logical bishop f8 just opening up the efo and now knight's d3 but i don't like that she has played that knight for so many moves in a row or even not in a row but it has moved a lot of times and look at the clock hussain has 52 minutes twice as much as yvanka does and it seems to me like his play has been more consequent in this game yeah i i i much prefer how things have gone for the for for black over the past few moves and also i'm a bit worried that after knight takes d3 queen takes d3 there is a pin here but there's also a pin down the d file so immediately what i'm looking at is something like takes takes and can i now play a move like pawn to e5 because if i can play e takes d4 i think i'm very happy with black because i get all of this play on the e4 pawn and if you go d5 and i take you're now forced to take this way and you're lucky that i can't play knight takes d5 here is black that nearly wins but it feels as though you know a move like bishop to b4 perhaps threatening bishop takes d2 and then the e4 pawn is as it feels this is the way i would describe this position it feels a bit loose for white it feels a bit loose what about bishop c3 here because well if i managed to trade those bishops i believe all my weak dark squares will not be an issue anymore i'm not so sure i will take now and before and play rook c4 okay makes a lot of sense my point is that maybe that bishop on h7 is a bit out of play for now not sure well actually you had to consider also my playing rook takes f6 instead of rook c4 wow okay not sure if this works but yeah i i'm not and wait now we move like g4 wow you know just trying to play against that bishop on h7 could it be could it be a concept at all or not i don't think so because i think the bishop isn't fully locked out because it's just always i and e4 so there are positions where you just can't move the knight yeah right and here i run in trouble over the c file yeah yeah perhaps it's a bit premature but you should keep an eye on that at times definitely but there is something about this this position after knight e3 that yeah he takes he took yeah queen takes d3 will will be played will he now take on e4 i think there's a really good chance he takes on e4 here and i'm very curious i'm gonna cheat and yeah the computer exactly likes what i've what i've said which is good news it likes takes takes e5 d5 and now the other classic move which is to go bishop c5 keeping the c file closed and now knight g4 sometimes is an idea threatening knight f2 or knight into e3 and it it says it's equal but i would definitely take black in this position right i prefer black i think i i still like white here but i love how how i said before how black has handled this game so far so i still think that black isn't better but i definitely like what he's doing okay let's move on to another game and perhaps we could check the game of who should that be let's check the game between maria and eric because there were a lot of trades going on there well we've got a position that's very similar to what we looked at but a much worse version for eric rosin so things have yeah i believe it's bad news for eric's fans because he's upon dawn for now and in all the lengths we were trying to make work black did get the pawn back so did we miss anything there so look so it went so we had this fantastic move queen takes e5 okay eric took which is correct takes takes now check on the e7 square we had looked at this we win the piece back rook d8 and now we were looking at rook fd1 but rook dd1 looks like a much better move by yeah he definitely missed it because otherwise he would have played knight c4 immediately i believe yeah and now after knight c4 the point is b3 the knight comes back to b6 which is tried by eric to basically trap this knight on e7 the problem you've got is that um i mean eric still has got drawing chances here for sure because i'm not completely sure actually well it might even just be a draw i mean eric let's give him some credit he might have calculated this to be a draw but you know what he should know if he claims that it's a draw because it actually is what we'll have to play c4 yeah and then king f6 knight d5 knight takes it takes d5 this position is not winning anytime soon for white even though white has the extra pawn and this is uh because you can just double on the defile play rook d6 then rook d8 and when white does the same and doubles you can always play king to e5 and then white has nothing better to do than to give a check and then return exactly and the same goes so if you trade a pair of rooks then it's even worse because you cannot really protect that pawn on d5 but you must be sure in your knowledge of rook and games here well it's not so difficult even if you don't you can calculate your way out of this one but yeah my feeling is that he could have achieved a draw easier well i mean this i mean if he achieves a draw like this it's it's been pretty easy for him and it's not very difficult to calculate so king f6 well yeah you have to play knight d5 you do have to play knight d5 i take if you take with the rook it's an even easier draw probably after rook d8 yeah it definitely is because you also don't have time for playing something like rook c1 and rook c7 because of the back rank mate yeah so you'd have to play c takes d5 and then just rook d6 yeah another move here just out of interest is to play rook ch straight away what about rook d2 now rook d2 similar idea rook c5 hmm but now i can play d6 perhaps okay rook c6 rook or should i play d7 no rook d1 rook f2 d1 and i was trying to get my rook to e7 something like rook e2 chuck king f6 but once again because of the back rank mate i don't have time for it no yeah it seems like in all these variations white is missing at least attempted to even be able to pose black some problems so yeah yeah this is gonna this is eric is gonna make a draw yeah definitely i might have which is a good result yeah all right we carry on actually both of the toughest games which we thought would be are actually that's bad news maybe for the for the ladies yeah yeah possibly let's see because the let's check you nice game against joff i'm very curious about that one oh wow oh what is that this is crazy we had around here we saw e6 and i said that i vaguely remember takes takes knight e3 this has all been played and now queen a5 check ah this is the move yeah this is the line c3 and now this wonderful move knight f3 check what yeah this has been played lots of times and i think oh my god i think oh i can't remember the theory uh you you evacuate this diagonal to then land with bishop takes c3 how is that possible g takes a three yeah this has all been i mean this has all been seen before bishop takes c3 takes queen takes c3 and now the point is king e2 runs into knight d4 check wow so you have to go queen d2 and now i take on a1 and knight d1 and we can stop and pause here we have a very very crazy material imbalance here black has got a rook for a bishop and knight and black has also got two pawns so on paper he's got the direct material equivalent but white king is well it hasn't castled and it's well it will castle but you also have these damaged pawns and i really don't know what the assessment of this position is like i have no idea yeah but black will also have to answer some questions regarding his king right because where do you castle perhaps you should castle long i believe probably you castle on the long side but because on the king side you have too much of a loose pawn structure right no castling this way definitely feels correct well joe decided to come back with the queen first he spent nine minutes on this move yeah because an end game would be great for him i believe as you've mentioned a rook and two pawns are better than a knight and a bishop in an end game where there are no tactical ideas against each other's kings exactly so he went queen d4 gunai declined said i'm going to attack oh sorry i'm going to develop a bishop rooked and now joe here spent 33 minutes 33 on this move yeah so he went for a long what was he calculating well there's a lot to calculate here uh because again it's it's not entirely clear to me at least what the uh correct uh way forward here is at all yeah there are many possibilities there is knight e5 no knight e5 isn't because bishop check oh i was looking oh no wait you're right knight takes f3 at the end exists uh but i can yeah after bishop g6 check you can go king e7 and if i take you now have this knight takes f3 that was actually a very smart blunder yeah i'm lucky me today yeah so 95 is is a move uh castle's queen side has to be a move you would think um but joe went with rook to f8 just hitting the pawn and i guess his claim is that it's a bit difficult for white to actually protect this because on a move like bishop to e4 black can exchange queens and play d5 perhaps bishop g6 check king d7 and this looks like one of those very good french defense positions actually uh yeah one thing i'm not sure about is a move like h4 here because that king on d7 is it safe there yeah it's all right 94 take on g5 okay check king to e3 or e2 not sure e2 let's say all right okay so i take a rook h7 check all right now i should bring on my knight somewhere somewhere now yeah this is completely fine for black it's all right yeah the king can scoot scoot over and and we actually see on the second on the second screen there that eric has just gone into that rook hand game which we've just discussed and i expect that to be a draw quite soon actually yeah good night though here in this position here she played the move castle's so she uh she uh said okay i i don't really have an adequate way of defending this pawn so if you want it take it rook takes f3 and she said more important to me is to get my pieces in now let's let's do a quick count she's now three pawns down i'm not convinced by white's position i definitely believe that black has outplayed his opponent but now in gunai and her resourcefulness and remembering yesterday's position which she had she was in very big trouble i think joe will have to somehow be very very careful not to miss any tactical shot because she's got a lot of pieces she has yeah and as you said she's very resourceful and joe now is in a bit of let's say it's a tricky position because firstly it's um the moves are not intuitive so you can't just go by instinct and secondly uh he understands that paul move could just cost him the game immediately because you know white has got so many pieces on the board here so it's uh it's already a very tricky position and another big question is what do we do with our king here as black do we put it on e7 where suddenly i get worried about the checks at some point no i would i would castle long if we castle long are we now running into some something like rook to c1 followed by this and this might be the case there's a there's suddenly like already the philosophical question of where does this king belong is not clear to me like e7 d7 castles i don't it i'll tell you how i view this position is i would like to be neither color here i would like to pass i just pass on this position and i'll let them play it and we can discuss it that's a very good strategy i think so all right now i want to quickly go back to pier cramlings position because i said things were solid for bobby chang but for the moment things are definitely not solid and pier has done something wonderful after rook fd8 she played the move nigh g4 which i really love trying to remove the only defender on the king side and after knight d5 she took on c5 just just stop here and have a look at the board try to divide it into two parts so draw a line right in the middle and then we will see that actually all of black spices are on the queen side on the left side and that means that the only piece the most important piece which is the king on g8 is completely unprotected and actually white has already three pieces looking at black's king the bishop from b2 which is looking towards g7 the knight on g4 and potentially the queen on e2 which after let's say after a knight h6 or who knows what kind of sacrifice sacrifice will jump on g4 and i really love what pier has been doing and you know you'd think that she's a positional player but she can attack her her way through this game i believe oh absolutely she's still a great attacking player now let's assume bobby takes on c5 okay and we try the move that if we were playing a tactics and he took on c5 not now it will be pier's turn to calculate this sacrifice g takes okay so first things first we have to understand that g takes is not actually forced but let's go with the g takes first we give a check the king has to come to f8 we now actually we have i believe a choice all right let's start with queen g7 because e4 might have also been possible oh wow okay e4 yeah let's start with the checks as we should so queen g7 check now if the king comes to e8 oh that's big trouble queen g i know queen jade you've got king e7 for now but i could play e4 now and then bishop f6 will be coming e4 that looks terrible for black i must say if he had i mean if he's forced to take on h6 my guess is that white is winning here because now let's say the knight goes away it cannot go to e7 because of a mate on h8 and the rook from d1 is covering the way for black's king to run okay let's say it goes here and bishop f6 and that's just immediately the end of the game right yeah it looks like or does knight d4 exist 94 well at least i have here queen g8 if i don't find anything better queen f7 and now i've got a lot a lot of pawns bishop takes e6 perhaps how many pawns i have already all right queen takes e7 let's say bishop takes d8 and some let's say knight takes b4 i guess and let's have a look at this position how is this one let's say bishop but then my pawn on e4 will be hanging right maybe it's not as easy as i thought no but i have a feeling we have missed a lot a lot along the way i feel like you can just go queen h8 it's probably just mate and bishop f6 can even just force it yeah you can just force it so i do like e4 i think that's a really good move um yeah but he's not forced to take on h6 definitely he can go for something like king f8 or king h8 not sure okay so king f8 now but now you have to be ready for moves like bishop g7 no you really do i mean look at this king g7 queen g4 now if you go king f8 you are running into check check and now this should be losing after knight f5 exactly the same idea i had yeah king e5 let's continue f4 let's continue the fight uh it's not mate knight g3 let's make it even more fun king takes how can it be not mate gotta be careful you can lose this position no i cannot lose this one yeah you can no i can't oh okay all right no okay queen is six okay 95 it should be a mate f takes e5 really just i want queen h6 okay you want queen h6 i might want also knight to f5 or knight to f1 who knows maybe queen c6 might be a good try and look at this one i will play queen g4 okay with the idea of coming to e2 yeah perhaps okay queen it wait it's made queen e2 is made but king f4 rook f1 well this is a very fun position this is fun this is fun clicking around but you're i mean in general of course the point whether we've played that accurately or not in general you're not supposed to survive also you could probably um be more uh you could play knight f5 first actually no yeah then king e5 the same ah it's quite no this this is made like for example takes takes takes no but it was made in that variation as well it was made yeah okay knight f5 king e5 f4 king e4 and bishop d3 oh lovely there you go easy so it has to be made okay so but the problem with this variation is after queen h4 queen g4 does the move king h8 exist yeah i believe it does unfortunately and it looks like it's good enough no i'm not totally sure i mean white still has got one idea here which is to play bishop takes d5 and if e takes d5 queen g5 or queen f5 wait uh now let's say queen g5 but now there are only two pieces attacking black skin now is it really enough you want queen f6 mate yes all right i have to do something about it if i go for queen is seven then yeah and then i mean in the worst if i'm white the worst case scenarios i take and you get some material back but even this is probably fine for black yeah because black has the pair of bishops and the knight on a2 isn't exactly a great piece exactly so a very exciting position we've got on this board and that was actually quite unexpected no yeah it was but i just want to point out that after king f5 you can go queen g4 anyways yeah but here no i believe no i cannot play f5 oh it looks it's possible but probably not i take if f5 i take yeah the knight on d5 is hanging oops takes but wait maybe no knight f6 doesn't have a chance no you're just gonna take yeah this is this is at least a draw and so we can play this i actually fully expect pier to play knight h6 and this is going to be one of those rare occasions where i cheat and apparently the machine is is uh is actually agreeing with us knight h6 is is a sound sacrifice it doesn't mean that white is winning but black will have to be very precise to not get mated over there a knight e5 i've missed oh 95 is a good move right queen h5 it's not over very very complicated well that's gonna be a that's gonna be a really a difficult task for for pier because there's a lot to a lot to consider let's go back to olgagiria's game because we haven't seen it in a while right um she did end up taking on e4 well this was the last position we saw so she played knight h6 a4 and sabina found the move rook to a seven that was exactly the move which i was considering as well but then i did not like that somehow the knight on b8 the problem of the knight on b8 is still not solved so black tries to bring the rook but well we all know that the light pieces should be the ones to go first in the game rook f2d1 followed here rook f2d9 and now the idea was not rook d7 but rook c7 to protect that pawn from c6 and now to free the knight from b8 to develop exactly but he he took again a lot of time 27 minutes on this yeah okay knight to e5 the queen now came into d5 pinning we saw an idea like this right king g1 and c5 very thematic by sabina but now some holes exist olga plays knight c3 ah so i cannot place he takes d4 because after knight takes d5 rook takes queen and now are you in the piece yeah yeah it's about so queen e6 and now knight b5 hitting the rook now where is that rook gonna go and i have to say i'm starting to like white's position very much because it feels like um black is just a little behind in peace development what about rook c8 how do you exploit my good night being on b8 because i would love to play d5 but for now my knight on e5 is hanging right so probably some protective move but it's probably not let's say i went yeah now i i don't think it's that bad as it looks for black probably isn't yeah probably isn't probably is just okay for black yeah and sabina just played the rook to c8 the only problem he might have is his low time but actually it was very interesting because by going very low on time it felt like he was provoking his opponents to play more aggressively and to take risks and actually in the last uh i mean yesterday in the last game he was able to exploit that one and bring man's team a very important point exactly all right well looks as though yeah probably it's it's just okay for sabina so no major problems now let's go back to iran all right uh she was playing that carocan the exchange variation against leandro and we've left it somewhere around right here yeah and i said that i wasn't really that impressed with white's position let's see how things happened at 92 h6 queen c2 rook e8 knight to b3 and knight to h5 by leandra kind of forcing perhaps iran to give up the bishop now why yeah the reason she didn't come here i believe is because the knights start jumping yeah and do you remember when you said that you didn't like uh white's position because of the weak dark squares and the pawn on f3 yeah it might look like it's exactly the case but let's see because iran took on e5 okay and decided to exchange a pair of rooks and now played a very uh well known concept because you can get this uh position from a uh from a tarash for example french defense from the white side is this knight c1 with the idea of putting these knights beautifully on d3 and d4 in the middle of the board um however there is a problem with the knight's placement on d3 and that's the one that black's bishop on d6 works very well against it right because if you notice that bishop controls all the possible moves white can have with that knight moving forward so e5 f4 c5 b4 um yeah it's it's very interesting i'm struggling to give an assessment of this position probably both sides should be should be happy with what they've achieved here but i slightly prefer black okay yeah yeah it's a difficult one i don't see an immediate way for for black to punish white i don't think any tactics work although hold on sorry queen h3 excuse me uh does she want to go f4 i believe so that must be but now there's a check here wait what queen f sorry things are getting very complicated check if you move the king can i just take and take and that's just a pawn up yeah that's just a pawn so here and if you block queen f2 so you cannot take on d3 because the rook is hanging on g5 but i can take the rook must take and this position here is probably do you remember that game where Irene caught such kind of rook i believe it was against julian and she actually won that one in a very nice style is she trying to set a similar trap here for a lander's rook that would be very smart could be i don't think she she'll get it the same but it is very interesting nonetheless i i i i i i i struggle to believe that queen h3 is is uh is strong but what did i play an i played f4 sorry here f4 right well i mean what what is what is this that's gonna get really really interesting that might get a bit spicy yeah all right well uh let's uh let's see ravi harrier playing black against that was a game we were looking forward to as well yeah and incredibly in this kind of standard position here ravi plays a move i've or i think i've never seen it in the scotch f5 no i've seen it actually yeah okay this d5 f5 ideas are very typical i believe f5 is less known of course you would normally consider d5 like we also did but perhaps f5 is slightly more ambitious here now and i believe he exactly tries to exploit the fact that the knight is on d2 rather than on c3 and the bishop cannot really go anywhere from c1 so let's see how jensei handled this position queen e2 looks natural g6 b3 bishop g7 and f4 very standard stuff this should be a better position for white i believe because by scotch standards you've achieved all you wanted you have good control over e5 so black cannot really win that pawn or trade it and now you fixed everything oh i really i really love white's position actually yeah and look at look at the clock ravi has only 13 minutes against 34 and i believe he also isn't entirely happy about how the opening phase of the game went for him the pawn on a5 is weak if you probably black should at some point take on e5 because otherwise i think he did judging by the video i think he's actually played the move d takes e5 yeah that's the critical way of playing it even though all those pawns are once again very weak the pawn on c5 the pawn on c7 and they're all on dark squares i've got a dark squared bishop to attack them at some point now the question is what do i take back with the pawn i might not take back at all i could play something like queen to b2 actually oh wow but then maybe you've got some bishop f3 yeah maybe i shouldn't allow that but wait if i take with the pawn you could take bishop f3 maybe or i don't like that actually no you cannot take because the rook on a8 will be then targeted by my queen from f3 yeah so none of the tactics work on e5 so what do you do here i believe that we just have to agree that it has gone horribly wrong yeah because now there are ideas of knight g5 as well and sometimes some sacrifice on f5 is strong sometimes sometimes maybe some queen c6 trying to at least get some grip over that long lie diagonal can i try something like this not in love with it uh if you can install a knight here maybe you're doing okay but i am not a believer but it's it's certainly not straightforward right it's it's very interesting now and uh jonesa has a choice here she has to decide what to take with on e5 or if to take at all and i believe the best strategy here is to keep as many as many pieces as possible on the board because with your opponent long and time and having some and she actually took with the knight it's quite interesting but it's a bit surprising yeah i think ravi's gonna be happy with that move yeah definitely because now he can at least trade some pieces but wait you know no the end games will not be enough if we trade uh the dark squared bishops because you will not have pieces with which to attack those weaknesses black scout on the queen side i mean the point on a5 c5 and c7 right i think yeah i'm not i'm not in yeah i think uh ravi's got enough here to hold the balance basically that's my impression but i thought i thought it should be just very good for a white it felt like it didn't it yeah maybe maybe there is maybe we can ask shansa after the game yeah definitely the nino batsish really jillion wily a game has got uh has got out of control and not in a good way for jillion i look at this position and i say if this isn't winning for white i'm shocked really uh yeah like it feels totally losing to black for me because black has an idea of playing c5 and c4 okay let's say i go bishop to e5 so you basically want to then bring the knight away from e2 and uncover uh the way for the queen towards h5 exactly then take on f6 yeah this is a very logical move what do i do against it perhaps something like c6 then in order to consolidate now i'm really happy um i don't know where to put the knight let's say i don't know 94 queen e8 trying to cover that h5 square yeah i'm not in love with this position for black either but is it really that bad now i need to move the knight somewhere 94 might you might might get it oh no then i can take and take on c6 yeah no my my my my uh your busted cam your busted radar is is saying that this is toast for black and apparently it's not toast but it's uh it's pretty bad yeah well it was definitely risky how the opening was handled by by jillian but uh yeah perhaps uh perhaps he can still try out some fireworks who knows we've seen that nino has struggled a bit in this type of wild positions now during the last two days and actually she was attacking in both of them trying to get the initiative and once again she's got it and i hope that this time she will make the best use of it all right well i think we've gone through the games this might be another good chance for a quick break what do you think to just catch our breath we are midway through the round today we've had two results two draws so far and the rest of the games are very much in play so we're going to be right back in just a few minutes with further commentary of today's round very tough to call at the moment who's going to win today's round all three results possible we'll see you in just a few moments welcome back everybody to round five of the battle of the sexes tournament here in Gibraltar the garrison library we are midway through round five and uh before the break uh mentioned two results have come in a draw sabag chonka no real surprise a slightly more surprising draw between froymsky and bellassin after only 14 moves so we have an all-square round so far but with eight games still ongoing there is a lot of stuff happening in most of those games and i fully expect a bunch of decisive results uh arena where do you want to go first because there's a lot of very exciting games at the moment yeah i would love to see the game between mama zada and joe gallagher because well it looked like a completely unbalanced position right well it's being crazy and we can join the position right now from where it is uh mama zada has just played the move 26 rook to c1 both players with 15 minutes left on the clock and this is going to be a shootout 15 minutes left 15 moves and look at them they are both so focused on what's going on on that board and this is completely understandable as i have no idea how is this position it's just one of the most complex positions i've seen so far um the knight is being attacked that much we do know and you have to decide where you're gonna where you're gonna put this knight or do you use the king to defend it the problem is if you move the knight which is what joe is worried about let's say you play a move like knight to b4 you run into some rook c7 check a lot of the time now the big question is is this just a check because if it is just one check oh wait rook d7 now after king d8 oh wow holy moly and and now after king e8 yes there is bishop g6 you win and after king c8 king c8 oh we can just take here and it's all over it's it's it's just the end of oh no rook takes three check a counter sacrifice to remove the defender wow and i win and you're telling me they have to calculate all of this in 15 minutes good luck this is absolutely crazy so can i play this move knight before all right do i have anything else after your move king to c8 like rook c7 check king goes through d7 uh right why can't i take no no no i mean after king c8 sorry okay oh can i go what can i go where can i go not an easy one no yeah uh rook d6 rook g3 is an amazing resource interesting okay so let's let's try this so so let's go so knight before okay so what's the story so i'm attacking this bishop the only other way to protect it is to play rook c3 or rook d1 but i wouldn't really want to play such kind of move no i really felt like the check should be more natural but this might be this might be okay yeah there are a lot of tactics involved here yeah i have absolutely no idea um Joe like Joe with 13 but if he sees this rook g3 idea then he must he must play knight before i believe is there any value in playing knight e5 yeah there is definitely a good point to that because now the same variations don't work as the knight is covering somehow the d6 square right yeah but there's a slight difference let's say i give check what now after king to d8 well i wanted to play queen a5 uh huh but aren't you running into a sort of rook takes f2 idea i know not not good enough well i might be but it has to be checked right so my idea with queen a5 is if you now take the bishop on d3 at the very least i have rook c4 check i discovered check right and you're winning the queen same goes if you take this way i also play rook c3 check at the very least right so i should try and to make some of those sacrifices work i believe okay so rook g3 probably doesn't work right right i take and you have no checks and after queen e3 is there a mate ah queen e3 well at the very least i can go rook c3 check right and then another discovered check will follow after king e8 now i take your queen but you do have king e7 here it's not completely clear it is an amazing position because black is threatening now mate yeah with either rook f2 or queen f3 or queen f2 all those checks will lead to mate if it would be black to move in this position yeah but if we give a check king f6 i don't see a follow up for white here from another perspective also black doesn't ah but wait we have so many points up even if we don't give mate immediately we are still better yeah let's try that again 95 rook c7 king d8 queen a5 rook takes g3 yeah this could be a very important move do you really think that after f takes g3 queen takes e3 there is nothing else oh yeah we should check this right oh no i'm just very weak i can play this check this is winning sorry rook h7 check what about king e8 and bishop takes b5 wins oh wow yeah you're right definitely yes that's actually dangerous that's that that must be something an idea that uh gunai is contemplating so it's it's a terribly difficult position and i i don't uh envy joe's task here right but we are still thinking that knight before is working right we found that 95 isn't but what about a move like a slow move can we do i know actually i was thinking that maybe king d7 was a possibility but it runs into rook takes c6 exactly yeah does it probably bishop b5 king c5 yeah so we oops so we're attacking the queen another discover check king c5 but even if you take on d4 well you'll have three pieces right for two rooks it will be an unusual yeah also it's probably okay it's an absolute backup now let's just check that is there any mate here if you play bishop d6 yeah bishop d6 queen d6 queen c3 king b5 i see no mate ah but a4 this is interesting so bishop d6 queen d6 otherwise you lose the queen queen c3 king oh yeah sorry king b6 knight c4 check so you have to take oh no sorry the queen is um yeah it is really complicated i mean like even this might be possible because if i take i'd lose the queen and then we have to calculate this move but completely out of control yes i'm okay free now i guess yeah no but this isn't something yeah this isn't the way right king d7 rook takes c6 ah i've got a clever idea here what about bishop e4 check what is ah queen takes e4 and queen takes d6 check king b7 there's no mate there is also no mate and now i'm running into this no this this is no good can i play king d7 here really and allow this i mean this is shocking i mean this is just insane i think joe's going to have a very hard time playing king d7 if i had to bet knowing joe i think he's going to go with knight before um and try and not get mated do you know what is my feeling now after a few days seeing both of these players it feels like gunai has exactly the same style joe does yeah very similar you're right yeah they're both very very sharp and they like fighting chess yeah and yeah it's such such a nice tactical struggles wow i'm just really excited to see how this game will develop but i'm a bit worried that joe's going quite uh quite low on time it's understandable given this position but even if you make a move which is good there are 13 more than to make right yeah i i i think the uh the the practical chances are with gunai here she's got a nice time advantage joe has got six minutes for 15 moves in one of the most complicated positions of the tournament i don't see uh i don't see this ending well for joe all right let's move on we'll keep an eye on that game i tell you another game that looks uh like it's getting towards a critical moment and that's the game between uh yuvanka huska and hussein aziz and we're just gonna take it from here because we've got too much time trouble to deal with but the position has gone very wrong for hussein it looked as though things were going well and it's gone very wrong clearly white has to be doing very well here she's got a protected pass born on d6 and the queen on a3 is already very offside it wouldn't surprise me if this position is just losing for black uh but finding the accurate way is is perhaps not the easiest task here already my spidey senses is saying play the move bishop h3 bishop h3 yeah all right but anyway i did not like that rook i had on c8 so now let's say rook c to d8 yeah rook c to d8 and now can i go c6 well very very good question so your point is that if i take on c6 you take back with the pawn and you want to play c7 c8 and queen it yeah i just want to make a queen good point i would say and i don't see a way of stopping it even though that king on h1 looks a bit strange but my queen on a3 is too far away from any diagonals to deliver even a check exactly yeah i would trust you on this variation what else could i play you could try rook to c7 yeah but here i'm running into d6 yeah you're running over here here and important is i have this capture queen takes a5 yeah that queen on a3 is completely out of the game now you could play probably even some yeah queen b5 yeah it's gonna be because if you trade all pieces on c5 then my pawn on the a file will just distract or will it yeah probably probably is good enough even though king f8 a6 king is 7 a7 yeah and if rook a8 i can give give the queen and otherwise otherwise what is the threat otherwise you're gonna run out of moves probably like if you go g5 i put the bishop on f5 i bring the king you know i can even do something as outrageous as you know i put the king on e2 the rook on d2 i then come with the king like this or i come to d2 and i come here has to be winning for white with these two if the rook is but somehow i believe that there should be something for black here oh really okay no not here i mean early after bishop h3 you don't like bishop h3 now it's understandable i believe black should have some chances i'm not sure maybe we could somehow sacrifice a piece and claim to have compensation because of the past e file pawn but i'm struggling to find a good way to make that happen not sure yeah yeah it's not uh it's it's not straightforward but i mean in general with the queen of side and the protected pass point it feels bad and i said before the match uh i thought this was a good spot for yavanka so i think she's got great chances here let's move on to another game and let's go to the game between iran and leandro we're going to take it from this position here and it we got something kind of similar to what we were looking at in a few lines before but it looks like a fantastic version for white uh Irene looks like she's uh but i believe there is a slight problem queen h4 yeah and then i don't see a way for white to play it for a win yeah this is actually an important move and it was played yeah oh yeah that move i missed i somehow i just thought the queens had to come off and then if the queens come off you're doing fine here is white there's no danger but with the queens on the board my king is a little weak yeah i want to play h5 and somehow pressure that pawn on g4 and h3 feels like you're weakening the dark squares a bit much but who knows who knows maybe that is still possible but actually i could even play some rook e5 at some point if you have played h3 already because then uh the dark squares could be really weak so let's say why i just played here h5 h3 and now you want to go rook e5 even the rook e5 yeah and you're saying the dark squares are so weak that it's very unpleasant and if the rooks come off suddenly i still have threats and this king is in big danger i tend to agree i think this is unpleasant position for white with all the dark squares to dance on so actually but you could play on the other hand could you play queen f2 here because i was thinking that after queen takes queen king takes bishop takes h2 maybe i can play something like rook e7 threatening 96 possibly possibly yeah and the pawn on b7 yeah i like this yeah i think i cannot take on h2 really but maybe i could go back for queen h3 queen h3 could be a repetition yeah i think there is a high probability of that yeah she does play it yeah okay so queen f2 great move is there another way for black no there isn't well i mean there just isn't right you cannot really go for queen h5 or something no now after queen h3 you've got to be a little bit careful now it doesn't quite work or does it were you trying to make 96 yeah i wanted to try and make it work but it doesn't it doesn't yeah because then the pawn on h2 will be left unprotected also there's just e5 or anything yeah that doesn't so we can't sacrifice the knight here we can't sacrifice the knight here or can we no i don't think we can no king h7 queen takes f4 oh you even had queen h8 oh sorry yeah that's mate yeah all right so knight f5 is possible i would be really surprised of that okay let's see knight f5 check well important to note is that king f6 runs into queen d4 and it's mate yeah so you can't do that so you kind of you can't take with the rook right takes takes and we're in exchange up so you have to take with the pawn and now all right queen d4 f6 yeah queen d4 yeah here i'm doing fine i'm not no i take on f4 it's over yeah and he took yeah yeah this is over for black oh well i you feel like it you shouldn't be able to survive i mean if f6 g4 works congratulations i think it should because the king might want to run towards h5 or somewhere around those squares okay so check king g6 check king h5 check king h4 take yeah queen takes f3 check rook h5 rook h5 and you survive somehow somehow you survived is there any threat no so even this position like in the worst case if i go queen c1 i'm probably i will play king h3 probably will yeah probably good what's the score here equal material draw um no but it's a very interesting resource for white i mean yeah and that's why he took actually yeah i believe so yeah he took to ah this is what he wants and rookie five immediately this is this is much better no now now there's real chances of a draw because Irene i mean this is this is actually going to happen this move if you move the rook somewhere like rook a8 you could try rook a8 but now it feels like black should be five a6 i don't believe that white has got serious chances here no i think there are no chances at all something like this might be an immediate i will play rookie two and even play yeah i can play for a win yeah why why it's still has to be careful rookie five was a good move bishop takes h2 wasn't good but rookie five was uh was good okay so the feeling is that one is gonna is gonna end in a peaceful way let's take a look at the game of nino versus julian because it was oh my goodness really interesting and we see a version of what we were trying to uh to make work out so white queen is already getting closer to black's king yeah this is a catastrophe for julian uh i see absolutely no way to survive this position from any perspective because uh white probably has got a number of ways to get the queen to the h file so if i just go queen g2 here for example queen g6 okay queen h2 queen queen h let's try queen h3 sorry yeah the point is now that white i mean that black cannot move away the night from f6 let's say if i play something like 94 then a very nice mate will happen queen h8 bishop yeah and rook h8 mate beautiful yeah and that's what i was trying to do that was my idea i see so uh yeah what about she played queen g3 similar idea similar yeah she played queen g3 yeah and on queen g6 which i guess julian he's got three minutes can't i play something like queen h7 after queen h yeah something like that trying to survive it okay in the worst case i go here and i go back yeah and he has played queen g6 so we're gonna see we might see actually this line yeah queen oh oh she went queen in and that that also makes a lot of sense actually she just went in how is gonna he protect everything his pieces are just so badly coordinated i don't see a way to hold this position and you don't even have to do anything immediate is why you might even want to castle just castle long and put the rook on g at rook on g1 and it's just it's a horrible horrible horrible position indeed i will have to agree on that no nino's gonna nino's gonna win this one i think he played rookie eight yeah he played rookie eight with just a couple minutes left and yeah i think that well many long castle probably is the most logical move yeah even a even a move like f3 come to mind comes to mind here to stop the night jumps and claim that you have no moves as black but almost almost a real tux vang with all your pieces on the board right all right all right let's go to another game yeah let's check yeah something else okay pia crumbling against bobby chang yeah that promised to be really exciting we were wondering if pia will play night h6 at some point yeah it was this moment here where we were speculating of night h6 as the sacrifice worked she didn't go for it so it would be interesting to ask her after the game what she thought yeah um and instead we got a more standard position because suddenly the pieces all came to the middle and king side so bobby got coordinated it seems and but pia still managing to keep a little bit of initiative here still prefer white better better pieces better bishops better pawn structure better pawn structure and still bobby chang is not not out of the woods at all yeah but it's not that bad either because the knight might want to go to g6 and then the yeah the f4 pawn will be hanging i believe black should be doing all right here and they're very low low on the clock actually it seems that uh many players are quite low on the clock today right yeah we've got a really exciting next uh 20 minutes or so because if we have a look at the move numbers we can see that for example uh joe gallagher mahmadzada is only move 25 uh jillian nino is move 27 olga guiria against sabino is move 27 iran is move 28 uh yovanka is move the closest to the time control right on move 35 oh actually she has exactly the position we had and it's game over is it game over it should be i mean yeah i mean she is this i i guess the entire no no no wait we are checking the wrong screen i believe uh so there is a different position on the board actually no queen b5 is the line we had in my in my analysis really uh let's get a close up of the yovanka huska game yeah she has this remember we looked at this yeah so she played bishop h3 she played rook he played rook c7 d6 rook c6 and d7 and queen takes a five and queen b5 oh wow simply we had this this is the line that yeah right unbelievable i thought it might be some glitch oh and we played a really stupid move after rook takes c5 can i go queen takes b6 or am i going insane queen takes b6 and if i take on c1 i take check king h7 yeah and here's a cute variation it's completely unnecessary all right if i give check i'm forced to play g6 and if i take how stupid is this this is really stupid isn't it only rook d1 i can play yeah rook d1 king g2 and i can take on f5 and it's just a draw if i don't find anything better yeah that's that's really stupid i mean my gut tells me just to take this off you know um because i know that you can't take because now queen b6 really does win so i force queen takes and after takes takes i really don't believe that this position should be holdable for black yeah i mean just to illustrate you can even do something as simple as rook c1 because knight takes d7 you come back yeah but then maybe you allow king f8 and you have to calculate the point and game no knight takes d7 no rook d5 king e7 yeah what are you're holding this but you're but you're pinned a5 and i cannot go away with the knight i mean you're wow so you'll buy one tempo you get there no but probably you can play instead bishop takes d7 rook d7 rook e5 perhaps the rook hand king is just winning this one might be winning yeah this should be winning yeah i mean it feels like there are tons of ways to win actually yeah a very nice game so far by Ivanka but i'm a bit worried why is she taking so long yesterday she was telling me that she really tries to find the cleanest way to calculate her way through you know and i hope that she has enough time to do that let's go to eric uh playing black against maria musichuk now for some reason eric has i'm not saying he's gonna lose this position but he made his task very difficult it was around this area here after rook d7 rook d4 what why didn't he double i have no idea ah she found a way to do this with f4 yeah she found a way to keep the pawn but he could throw in a g5 he could play a g5 right here oh okay i mean he could sorry for that yeah uh just to make sure it doesn't happen g5 exactly in this position and the point is that if you play g3 now i can go for king e5 and after f4 i take on f4 it looks like it's good enough no if you take i play king f5 yeah and you're very out of this pawn on f4 is also weak but uh all right rook c8 also looked like a normal try rook d1 uh then followed rook c2 a4 and actually we see a result uh pier versus bobby was it a draw pier against bobby no it's a win for pier it looks like with the king in the middle of the board let's have a look let's go straight there pier against bobby oh no it was a draw it was a draw it was a draw i saw the king on a white square and i thought she won but they agreed a draw okay so another draw and actually we have another draw between jhansaya and ravi which was also a draw so we've had a flood of draws and actually what we're gonna do uh ladies and gentlemen is we are gonna get jhansaya and ravi in the hot seat to discuss their game so what we're gonna do is we'll go for a very quick break and when we come back we will have for the first time jhansaya and ravi haria talking to you guys so we'll be right back of the battle of the sexes and i'm delighted to have next to me grandmaster jhansaya abdumalik and grandmaster ravi haria uh you had a very interesting game uh what are what are your impressions what are your feelings about it how how did it go until which point was your preparation until move one i guess oh really actually yeah i mean i mean his main line is is french defense so i was preparing only isix and i was kind of surprised when he played e5 so i thought like okay i mean usually i play italian or the real opus and this time i was like okay i should surprise him and i played scotch yeah just just to try it i mean kind of had no idea what's happening after night of six so do you ever play the e5 move is it also in your repertoire or was it prepared just for today no i've played it before um i guess you saw that i played it a few times yeah but okay i played like 99% of the time i'm playing french yeah but after scotch i didn't know what was your line i mean oh yeah because no one's ever played scotch against me yeah so i thought like okay maybe if we shop c5 it's fine we should be for a fine but night of six is kind of yeah yeah i checked night of six before the game um but not so much compared to italian and spanish uh but it's pretty bad because after you've played 92 i just forgot everything all right so after night of six night takes is six details is six if i followed now queen is seven queen e2 95 c4 night b6 and here is the moment you were talking about night 2d2 uh is it a move that you prepared at some point or remembered slightly or no i mean i okay i just remember some general stuff and scotch but not like like the the right theory so i thought like okay let's try 92 no i mean i was thinking of b3 or night c3 but i thought after b3 he'll play this a5 i mean i think it's probably it's fine for white but i didn't want to check this so i just i just played 92 all right and you are surprised by this move right yeah it's a bit annoying because i checked night c3 and b3 and i didn't check 92 so yeah i mean it's probably in my file and i probably did check it but i just forgot because there was a lot to check um yeah and she played it quickly so i assumed that it was some like sort of preparation right yeah well like just a main line because it probably could be yeah because i just don't play this ever yeah i was kind of trying to pretend that you know i'm just controlling the situation yeah it's very interesting all right so uh later you chose a5 yeah i don't this is either a move or it's just really stupid because it makes sense if you play b3 it kind of makes sense against night c3 but maybe it just again i don't know like i'm really clueless in this position so yeah oh wow johnson what what were you thinking after his a5 no yeah i thought that it's kind of strange because i didn't play b3 so i think it's like i i prepared a5 against night c3 oh okay well i don't know i think white may be slightly better um i thought it was okay for me so queenie four you chose uh then queenie six followed we were trying to make some sorts of d5 work here um but i guess you still wanted to keep the queens on board yeah i wasn't sure because okay the only things i know about this position is either i can lose really quickly if i don't know what i'm doing or that like a lot of end games are just better for white and again i was just i was just trying not to lose really it sounds bad like already moved 10 but yeah it's just like it's probably one of the worst openings you can be clueless in because yeah it's very interesting to see you both you know somehow playing at the board mostly but it was an interesting fight so let's have a look please stop me when you think was the next critical moment queenie six queenie six like i played it and then i thought it doesn't really make any sense um but maybe it's fine yeah i thought that also i mean like why do you play queenie six what's what's the idea because i played it because i i've seen this move a lot in scotch positions yeah but i assume that it would help with f5 or d5 but then after you played bishop d3 i was like yeah yeah i just wanted to make a short castle and then f4 somewhere trying to to push and i mean actually i wanted to play f4 even before you played queenie six i mean that's the idea but after queenie six i think it's just i mean it was just the temple of f5 i mean i'm just attacking your queen and yeah yeah i was happy actually after you played queenie six yeah because here my idea was to play g6 bishop g7 but it actually looks really scary like if she just castles bishop g7 i mean you don't even have to defend d5 if you don't want to like queen h4 maybe no i i mean after g6 i think the the black squares are kind of weak i don't know i think it's very comfortable for white maybe just yeah still f4 yeah yeah probably f3 i don't know it just looked horrible to be honest yeah all right so you played bishop a6 instead and actually i was also quite happy about white's position in in this game so far i thought you would be better but i don't know where it went wrong if it did at all because we are also not using engines so we are not entirely sure yeah well maybe here i i made a castle and then i i just kind of missed f5 because after f5 like i can't take on f5 or play f6 because the pawn on c4 is hanging so right yeah so maybe first i should have played b3 uh yeah just just the instead of castle instead of castle is just to protect the pawn on c4 and then just i think just castle f4 i mean everything is just coming very very very comfortable for white so yeah after i played this castle f5 f5 was yeah indeed a very interesting resource i have to play i mean yeah what else right and g6 now yeah after g6 i thought okay b3 like what happened in yeah in the game and then bishop g7 i was checking bishop a3 yeah maybe i can play um d6 yeah and then c5 d6 c5 yeah that was the line that was i was checking bishop d3 queen takes um you take on c5 i take with bishop you must play king f7 and i wasn't sure about this position like i wanted to play knight of three i don't know if you just make trying to fork yeah just h6 maybe i mean still it's kind of not not easy to to find a plan i think for white because you just play hd8 and then you have the square on d5 yeah right it looks it definitely looks interesting but what you played in the game also looked fine right f4 or didn't you like it later no we was fine but i was just thinking of b3 yeah sure uh what did you have in mind after bishop a3 were you afraid of this one or yeah i mean initially i was um like because i hesitated before playing bishop g7 because i saw bishop a3 i didn't know what to do um because initially i was thinking instead of uh oh no it's my move i was thinking here king f7 maybe hi but then knight of three h6 it looks i don't really want to play h6 because it's like at some point she'll play g4 probably and or h4 h5 yeah and it looks really dodgy um and then so then i was thinking okay i don't want i don't want this to happen and i can't castle queen side instead of king f7 because she has c5 oh wait here yeah castle queen side was actually waiting kind of earlier c5 is strong yeah everywhere just c5 i was thinking to play king d8 instead of castle queen side oh really king d8 yeah because i mean it's not so stupid i don't think um okay i mean then i should have tried you know bishop a3 no but then but then i saw then i saw d6 wasn't so bad um and then i was like okay i have to play d6 um yeah king d8 is probably probably you're doing very well but it's probably the best of all the king moves like i can't go king of seven or castle queen side so yeah but still i mean i mean if after d6 i don't have anything then it's just fine for you yeah i didn't actually look at c5 after d6 i just looked at i just had to check that e takes d6 wasn't strong for you but it's not like i can take on e2 and take on a1 as well yeah you just take and there is not enough of conversation i guess all right so it seems like it was one of the critical moments of the game the bishop a3 instead you played f4 yeah just now castle knight a3 yeah i was a bit surprised because you were playing quite quickly here and i thought maybe like okay i thought that was just some easy moves you know yeah like a mouse for knight a3 and then a4 just yeah sure yeah maybe you're right nood like knight of three is probably fine yeah yeah knight of three was fine i was checking maybe you'll play h6 yeah c5 um yeah i didn't actually see a4 at all and then you play it and i was like that's probably quite a good move yeah a4 i was quite happy with a4 but after you played bishop b7 i think bishop a3 was really stupid because i mean black ones play d6 anyway and why i'm playing this bishop a3 i'm just i'm just losing a tempo and my bishop is kind of yeah strange i think better was just to play bishop b2 and you know to prepare for this idea with d6 rook a8 and 97 yeah but how do you even i thought that i'll go kind like rook a1 and then queen f2 maybe like d6 here rook a1 rook f8 rook f8 and queen f2 this is what i wanted actually but maybe here you can even take right an f3 yeah i didn't like that you can take on f3 with i mean with bishop and then and then queen takes yeah queen takes maybe you can oh here is fine right i mean if you take on e5 i'll just take with a bishop and if yeah that's just better for me of course and if you play 97 then maybe i have is this so good for you bishop takes bishop takes e5 yeah i think so of course what do you take rook a5 queen d6 and then i don't know yeah i believe i also thought that white was better but i was not sure about that bishop a3 because it looks a bit strange right yeah yeah but you should always check these ideas of taking an f5 somewhere maybe or g4 i don't know right i was gonna say king f7 here but maybe maybe you can take on f5 yeah maybe just immediately taking that would be very interesting to see these sort of lines on the board probably i can take on e5 here rook takes e5 bishop pawn takes queen d4 king h1 and take f5 queen takes king is seven i mean e7 okay well maybe well also the g file is okay i always have a draw i mean i can just yeah yeah you do yeah but maybe i can also play something like rook f1 after king g8 rook f1 right why not to try i don't know 97 oh no yeah it's probably okay 97 e6 wow what a what a position we have gone i think already 10 here into the line yeah okay yeah well it's definitely not stupid i'm very happy to listen to all these lines which you've checked during the game but you've played bishop a3 yeah you said you disliked this one and after d6 where are you starting to get worried about the position or were you confident it's all right yeah after i think i played rook e1 he played rook e8 and here i just i mean i realized that after bishop f3 maybe maybe my pawn on e5 is just weak i don't know i mean even if i have two bishops buying my bishop on d3 is not that strong i guess and yeah i was worried that he'll take on f3 so i played bishop b2 i think it was the only move to protect the pawn right 97 yeah and here i didn't know what to do i mean like i can take on d6 because he'll just take on e2 and then my bishop on b2 is just hanging maybe i can try something like i don't know rook e3 rook a8 i suppose right but also a5 hangs always yeah yeah but after you take on e5 i mean with maybe with bishop then i i can't play because bishop d4 is always coming or bishop h2 i don't know so if you go instead of rook e3 yeah if you play king h1 oh you just want to get ready so that there's no reason to play rook e3 yeah yeah yeah yeah but maybe you can play queen b6 e7 first i should i should play bishop c2 maybe and then play rook e8 i mean maybe maybe it was fine but okay that's what i you were worried about this one right because after he take on e5 i said like okay just equal maybe i'm a bit better did you consider also f takes e5 because that was somehow my wave yeah i mean i didn't like this idea was bishop f3 taking so of course i mean i was just ah that's why you want because now i can actually choose whenever i want to take yeah and it's kind of annoying you know all right all right so 90 95 uh you took here right yeah i was thinking of taking with bishop or or pawn i think pawn is better because after it takes bishops i mean you change and you have this d4 square yeah maybe maybe black or more active all right yeah yeah now rook a d8 rook d4 yeah i thought this was okay i wasn't worse here so yeah yeah so i'll take this pawn takes queen b6 bishop c2 rook a to d8 yeah and here when i played bishop c2 i was thinking of rook a d8 and my move was rook d1 i was i was thinking of rook d1 because i thought that if i would change one rooks then i have like chances to like better endgame just um and my pawn on e5 will will not be that weak i guess and but here i was thinking of rook d1 takes like i should take this rook yeah and then queen c6 so now black wants to take on e5 because on g2 is yeah it's just a mate so i was thinking of rook d5 but i thought he would just play queen b6 it was just a draw so i was like okay no i i mean i wanted to try so i played queen f2 so you thought that you were uh somehow playing for for for a chance to win yes but so was i because after rook d1 i wanted to play rook d4 yeah he wanted to play rook d4 oh that would have been really interesting yeah i was really hoping you'd play rook d1 yeah of course i mean i didn't check rook d4 i think it's i think it's not enough of conversation i don't know so after bishop takes yeah takes and yeah i think maybe c5 immediately queen takes queen g4 no i now then yeah yeah so maybe queen f2 yeah um so i have a choice here because i can play c5 or yeah maybe c5 so you're basically saying that you want to play against this bishop on c2 right i mean it's an exchange and a pawn and i have two bishops and i have the dark squares i think i can't be worse here no chance like i don't know all right so let's leave it i think i will try to play rook d1 and then bishop d1 but your bishop always hangs okay i mean rook d1 your move yeah like rook takes c5 for example oh you you you won't even take this rook but okay i mean i'll just take rook takes uh yeah but and then something like rook e1 queen d6 well it would have been all i'm sure really interesting and we would love to see that one also on the board but you decided to play queen f2 instead of rook d1 not allowing this rook d4 luckily or not who knows and after queen f2 all right rook e7 followed so you looked at rook d4 here it says in the variations on the thing oh no no we didn't we didn't actually have the position in this moment on the screen so rook e2 rook e8 rook e1 yeah i was really surprised when he played bishop e4 i don't know i didn't check this move i mean here yeah i really well i didn't have any much time at all but um i i thought yeah i played it and then i was like this this is really bad move oh it's not that bad i mean it's fine no i think it's just just equal no i think it's just yeah it just seems a bit like but okay you thought that you were better right yeah i thought after bishop e4 i should like be winning her queen side pawns but then i realized she's she's actually just taking all the mind too so yeah but here i think i missed after bishop a5 you could you could play bishop e5 and after queen c5 you have this move bishop d4 and i was like oh my god wait what oh my god yeah and then queen b1 is coming i missed this i thought i just made i mean yes it's always just made sorry guys i'm not following i don't know what happens after queen takes d4 rook takes e4 rook takes e4 and then queen b1 oh queen b1 yes i missed queen b1 that's that's a nice double attack yeah you say ricky five i was like okay no i came i mean it's not like i must play bishop i mean queen c5 right i thought that maybe i'll just go queen h king h1 but still i have i think you have this move but bishop d4 is strong now yeah i'll take on e7 you take and i go queen no no oh sorry yeah um and then queen f1 yeah maybe it's still equal because you take take and then or maybe rook fs no rook f7 i'll just go queen e2 but you can take on a queen d3 but like you can take i cannot that would be nice if the bishop from a 500 is finding the rook right yeah i don't know all right because yeah after bishop e5 yeah because originally i thought bishop f was really strong but here maybe you can take just rook e1 and then take on a4 or c4 and then take on a4 and you're kind of pon up yeah i don't really know how much that is though queen e1 i guess no oh just bishop e1 yeah but okay you just take on a4 you're still like maybe not enough but okay i still kind of play yeah but instead of uh bishop takes a5 in the beginning here yeah uh so go back on with uh there was queen d2 move you have queen d2 but queen d2 you you can play c6 i didn't like c6 yeah i was gonna play c6 yeah yeah i mean it was same idea because here i mean if i take on a5 you take bishop e5 and i wasn't sure because i didn't like i mean your your bishop is strong after bishop d4 just just coming and now yeah you don't have any yeah so i feel like okay just let's try queen c5 yeah and i don't know i mean maybe maybe bishop e5 was just just very strong after queen c5 all right so you feel like it was a better try for for avi to to play for an advantage right yeah i think so yeah because after rook e5 is just everything is just changing all right so here uh yeah you trade it and agreed to a draw so a very interesting game uh how how did you feel before today's game uh did you think uh you are going to try for for a win and the question goes for both of you of course were you ambitious did you want a solid game what was so what was actually i prepared very good for the french you know i was waiting for french and when he played e5 i was like come on i mean i was checking like for two hours and i had like really strong lines there okay he played e5 yeah kind of sad all right what about you yeah i mean i was just gonna play and see um because you had quite a quite a big advantage yesterday which you let sleep yeah and uh did it somehow impact the way you were playing and no it would have been stupid to like be careless and reckless and i just i i mean i kept telling myself like um because yeah yesterday it was it should have been easy um and i just told myself like okay it's another day you're playing black against a strong player just relax like if i got chances i would go for it but um i wasn't gonna do anything crazy also it's only round five there's still five more rounds left but all right so looking at the situation in the match what are your thoughts on it again question for both of you john sayah uh you mean like today's today's day all together today also if you have some thoughts sure well yeah okay first two days was very good for the women's team and then boys they kind of they they struck back but okay i mean we're we're still fighting and i think the the most important matches are just coming so yeah right what's happening in the match right now uh well actually i believe we had a few results and the ladies are up one point you know one against jillian and i believe your vanka had also a very good position against hussein but we are gonna get back to it in a bit just wanted to ask you the last question before letting uh letting you go uh if you could use one word to describe your today's opponent ravi what would it be oh my god um i don't know that was kind of you have to think hard because it's coming to you as well that's probably the worst question you could have asked so you are avoiding you're avoiding an answer i mean i don't know what to describe yeah me either i mean this it's really tough question all right guys all right easier to play the game yeah all right so i will leave then you maybe you want to play another game then instead of using words to describe and we will uh be back after a very short break uh be right back welcome back everybody to round five of battle of the sexes jib chest 2022 we just saw jan say i'm ravi talk about their very interesting game i think a draw is a pretty good result i mean it feels like the correct result they both uh played uh very interesting chess and uh since then uh we've had some more results come in and well perhaps only just one result and nino batts yesh really very unsurprisingly did finish off her game against jillian boilia nino needed that win she's she had a couple of really tough rounds and i felt like today this was a really tough game for jillian um and nino didn't really have any issues in converting meaning that as things stand the ladies are one up with uh four sorry five games remaining but some huge news arena joe gallagher who and afterwards when i go for dinner with joe um i'll tell him joe i had you down is getting crushed today well all of a sudden he it looks like he's got a winning position in a in a position which doesn't look winning it's uh this position on the board i think it's very close we have a very unusual end game where black has got three pawns for the piece but can i somehow block you on the light square so i mean right how would be the way for you to continue so let's say i play the move king to c5 yeah i was thinking maybe something like bishop is bishop e6 actually ah bishop e6 okay and if i go e4 check yeah so you want after king e3 to play king c4 bishop d7 let's or is it already bad yeah no no this is this is no i mean this is for sure uh an idea um because you could play king c3 now as the point on d5 isn't hanging right yeah bishop c6 d4 i suppose and just d3 right but and d2 and ah you've got bishop a4 that's a good one even this is not clear is it like if i go here and take king c2 sorry and then i'm actually now you have king a3 but ah even this is probably i can go bishop c6 or somewhere yeah being precise here is actually going to be really important isn't it so joe has got 16 minutes okay king c5 bishop e6 now maybe you could push the other pawns like a4 yeah and if bishop d7 now try to make work something like maybe i can give a check e4 yeah and then some and then go a3 bishop a4 no but i will go king c2 i believe oh king c2 okay no it looks like like white still have still has some some ways to to keep those pawns from running away i believe i wonder what joe is thinking about anyhow it is very difficult for white to do anything in this position so probably black will will try and actually we see that joe is taking quite a long thing now that they both have got extra 30 minutes on their clocks and um yeah he's it's it's really an interesting moment yeah it's not not easy at all um can we go to eric rosin which is should theoretically be a slightly easier end game yeah let's have a look at it black against me and musichuk ah this is actually just a draw huh i think eric has played this quite well i mean if we look at this position here after rook h4 the problem sure is it just a draw i think so because well okay i'm not threatening to take let's just make that clear because of this check but i am threatening to go king e5 and take so let's say assume you move the pawn to h7 and i just go king e5 if you go king f3 i now just go king f5 and i'm walking yeah but the pawn end game will be lost for you so the pawn will be untouchable yeah the pawn is untouchable but i'm probably just gonna keep this position all right so let's say i play uh was it all forced until now uh which is the position they actually have now this is the position here hmm all right so i will play h7 king e5 or yeah all right i will do that and now i wonder if i can bring my king somehow king f3 perhaps okay king f5 uh king e2 king e2 yeah my point is just the one that all the opponent games are waiting she's she's played a move here that i have oh wait she's played a move here sorry oh rook a3 it's amazing yeah it might be just winning on the spot actually she she played a move sorry well that's the wrong game rook ah rook a3 oops oh brother that's a beautiful tactic well she needed something like that to win this position those rook and pawn endings are a draw because i can maintain the status quo and if you win the f pawn for the h1 it's just a draw but rook a3 is a nasty shot oh no that's that that's that's bad you can't take because check wins the rook and i'm threatening this no this is this is just over yeah i believe probably the only move is something like king e5 king e5 i give check i go rook h3 rook g4 king f3 rook g8 only move in order to stop that h1 from queening and now just check it's just easy because now yes something like this is over because all the king and pawn endings are lost completely losing so rook a3 could just be winning yeah this is a very a very nice resource by maria beautiful and what looked like a game which would end in a draw quite quickly suddenly suddenly has so eric must have made a mistake must have made or maybe it was already always losing because he he can't actually uh maybe he had to come with the king to e6 well and what about king f3 let's say still tough isn't it yeah because i just want to play king g4 and take that h5 square from you and if i go here you still take ah but now at least i don't have any rook a3 is right yeah but if i go king f5 there's rook a5 check ah it might be though a draw this king versus two pawn so let's say king f6 king f6 takes and just king g6 yeah but i'm not sure if this exact version is a draw because if my king would be on g8 i believe it would still be a draw but on g6 i'm not sure is it because of h7 yeah and your card could be losing this position very very tough i mean it doesn't really matter because the position on the board rook a3 is just looks like a completely crushing winning move and if maria wins this which i mean she is going to win this that means that the the ladies are going to be up two with a few games to go and uh wow joe did ah joe oh joe thought for it well it's very interesting let's go back to joe's game because sure it's very interesting joe decided after e4 to go e4 and he spent 18 minutes here so what is e4 i mean e4 so he has a specific idea he understands king d4 and now a4 and the idea is after bishop d1 he wants to go b3 so this is the threat if you take on b3 the pawn is running a3 you have to go king c3 to catch it and now he goes d4 check wow that's classy but it's not over king c2 d d3 he's winning king c3 and now just e3 and right all the pawns run yeah what a fantastic concept by joe gallagher i'm not sure i would ever consider really game this move e4 because it looks so against your intuition to place the pawns on the light squares because it somehow allows how do you call that i'm lacking an english block blockade or a blockade right so yeah but this b3 b3 move is fantastic what a resource does white have anything else like a3 perhaps after king after b3 ah a3 and after b2 bishop c2 i've got that's that's my point e3 oh no sorry this is good no this is a fantastic a3 ah well here then joe i guess will play something like king c6 no yeah but maybe you can hold this position with white because the bishop cannot really move as there is b2 right so the bishop is in duksvang here the pawns move don't make a difference so eventually the king will have to move move away from d4 right so you're basically saying if g4 now i just come back and you're in duksvang here you have to move exactly and now finally i come in and this protected passport yeah it also it looks very bad it does look bad and gunai also doesn't look happy does she yeah wow that is a very a very nice idea joe came up with really nice and much needed for the men's team because definitely if uh if joe wins this suddenly they're only losing by uh by one with the game between sabino brunello and olgogiria still going on and i mean this game is just i mean for sure sabino has out played olga for sure i mean now there's some serious initiative on the king side with this h pawn and it wouldn't surprise me if sabino wins this game wow but that would mean uh he would have his third win in a row and uvanka against hussein uh we'll come back to the sabino game in a moment but uvanka against hussein is just i'm in shock basically that this game is still going on because uvanka had so many ways to win and not only i mean does she is she even winning anymore yeah might not be the case actually but well she will definitely try for for a bit perhaps some of like like she can't get the king in because of 95 check rook c5 then okay let me bring the king king where should i bring it towards e5 king f4 okay king e7 king e5 still just yeah it's still not that easy it feels like black should be fine but i'm not sure i'm not sure black is fine here at all something like 98 let's say what would be black oh white's plan to win oh yeah i mean you've got a blockade right rook a7 97 or something right no i mean it's it's for sure i i don't know what happened because it was just so crushing i mean around here it's just has to be just completely crushing yeah she played queen b5 rook c5 we actually thought that game was totally winning but then she uh she failed to bring the king in time in order to save the d7 pawn right i believe that's what happened this is still good and here maybe she should go king g1 or king g2 yeah because then otherwise the e1 distracts white's rook from her tactic rook c1 and she just completely missed that e3 and she can't take on d7 because b2 yeah rook c1 is a huge blunder she she had to go any move here a5 is good no but king g2 was probably the the easiest yeah just collect the pawn and all end games are losing yeah so yavanka now i mean as i say i'm not i'm not sure but they were really low on time at least yavanka definitely was so perhaps that's that's why it happened she might still win i mean it's it's not over she still has got winning chances here right but uh yeah now leandro there has been another result iran and leandro have drawn which is not unexpected so okay that seems like a fair result meaning we've got one two three four games remaining including eric rosen but yeah eric is is is gonna lose see he tried a great try actually he played f3 check here that's a good try by eric the point is rook takes f3 would be a huge blunder because after rook takes h6 now well even this i'm not sure after rookie three if this is winning or not it should be a draw probably is a draw rook g6 yeah yeah rook f6 and rook g6 my point is that when you move the pawn f4 i can play rook e6 that's clever yeah and and this is to point out guys at home that if you go rookie six uh if you go rookie six immediately let's say here even this might be a draw how so probably not rook takes yeah and king e2 king g2 is better sorry king g2 yeah and we get the opposition king in front of the pawn yeah do we yeah probably we do yeah we should be careful with with the move we choose here yeah perhaps king e2 was better actually yeah and we have that these distant opposition should be is it it's a very interesting yeah king f6 i was thinking because after king e3 you've got king e5 and it's a draw it might still be so i should try some that's why i liked king g2 because but it's the same and king h3 king f5 yeah king f5 and g3 king g5 looks like a draw so we're running to a draw right i mean there are so many draws here but in general it's a draw so uh so f3 was good but now maria's idea king g3 you still can't take this of here and after rook h1 we now see maria's additional idea oh beautiful rook a4 now threatening wow to come over here and uh and once again it's winning yeah and now eric's chances are are are not not really happening let's go back to joe gallagher we have king c5 sorry on the board yeah we have this position and gunai in some kind of tuxfang here um yeah sorry her pawn is on this isn't correct sorry b3 a3 uh how did this go oh king c6 i believe king c6 oh king c3 and king c5 right right this is the position on the board yeah it looks like black black is just winning i don't see a way for white to hold this one but maybe could i try some bishop move yeah that's why i was thinking let's try bishop h5 let's give a check and now where do i place the king on b2 i guess king b2 and here i've got to be careful yeah so easy right right probably you have to try d3 now or do you want to play king c4 oh king c4 is such a great move and if check on f7 king d3 king c4 that's a really nice move because if i managed to go with the king in front of my pawns that i'm then i'm definitely gonna win i believe no probably or do you have some bishop e8 here but then maybe then maybe e3 yeah yeah and then i have to go back right and then d3 and and the pawns are yeah or even king d3 is fine this is just winning yeah ah this is what he wants then so king c5 bishop h5 d4 if king b2 king c4 class classy move and the point is if you check now i can block from this side and the pawns are running i see somebody in the chat saying that engine says it's a draw but i'm not sure regarding which game is it this one because i would be surprised if it's still a draw impossible right impossible that this is a draw no this is winning for joe uh pretty sure any and i'm with 10 minutes left on the clock is that enough time yeah olga against subpoena let's spend a moment here because we haven't looked at this properly it felt to me like olga would was struggling a bit here yeah because that knight is definitely a worse piece than the bishop on c5 which attacks on f2 and keeps the pawn on b6 safe yeah it's definitely black who's playing for a win the question is is he gonna be able but yeah i dislike greatly white's position because h4 might be coming even immediately yeah like i wanted to play h4 straight away let's say you take bishop d4 let's take yeah and what is your move here is white yeah it's very difficult to bring that queen from b7 somewhere closer to white's king but just to illustrate let's say white played a move my idea is i want to go h3 check yeah i'm forced to go on g1 well if you go on g1 now i have rook takes f2 but i have no other option right yeah and here i have queen e1 mate right and king h3 doesn't work because of the same reason rook takes f2 yeah and that's that's game over that's game over so what do i do after h4 should i in fact after rook takes d4 i wonder if yeah it might it might work actually we i wonder if we should do this straight away it's possible that we should yeah it's possible that this is more accurate yeah yeah and there's just no defense to taking this pawn yeah it looks like all guy isn't very very big trouble yes chat in youtube says david nelson says stockfish is maria plus 15 commentators calling it a draw um maybe you're looking at a different channel sir because we've just been saying that it's an easy win after rook a3 so i think you're getting your wires mixed up i was saying that in some positions i didn't see this concept of rook a3 rook h3 which is a winning concept and the current position is a very easy win for maria so uh no uh no bueno right and eric just played rook g1 yeah rook g1 check and now you there are some moves here like you don't king takes f3 is not automatic yeah king h2 is a move king h4 is also possible king h4 is also possible um what about taking on f3 might be possible as well but i mean why well take a pawn why not i mean it's just completely fine isn't it because yeah because rook h4 is coming anyway and yeah and it's still winning still it's now eric is not gonna resign he's gonna try some swindling attempt because that's how he plays but he's not gonna have success because this is not a three minute game online this is a classical game and unfortunately maria musichuk is too strong to fall for any tricks whatever they may be and i'm not sure what they are right uh i believe this game will end with maria winning and rook h1 yeah but not just after king g3 king g3 again it's exactly the same position but without black spawn on f3 and then white skin can go up after a rook g1 let's say yep correct unfortunate day for eric rosin let's check again uh uh who was that uh yavanka's game did she manage to make some progress she has got the king to e5 so i mean this is still for me not uh not a clear you know here black has a funny move 97 i believe 97 check yeah and we can't take as we lose the rook oops and i'm not sure it does a lot of help king d5 ah knight b6 check and you cannot go to c5 because of a fork on a4 but you can go here nice but now king d6 and i've i've i've stabilized yeah yeah hold on hold on a second king e5 knight d7 check where can you go yeah if you go back now we have to be careful not to play king d6 too soon because then after c takes d7 yeah oh wait this queening so perhaps we have to go with the knight somewhere first yeah but what about knight b8 knight b8 yeah sure why not because the oh yeah now i'm threatening king d6 and to take there is no other way of stopping that other than playing king to e5 not allowing black's king on d6 but then it will be just a repetition exactly if you go here then i give check yeah what about king d4 here um same knight b6 and uh knight b6 sorry ah yeah knight b6 yeah knight b6 you could move the rook now somewhere but how do you rook e3 maybe king d6 yeah and try something i don't know because it's a bit difficult to attack the c6 pawn with the knight from b6 maybe some rook e8 yeah yeah knights here even some rook b uh the rook was on e3 even some rook b3 could be possible with the idea of playing rook b7 after the knight retreats i'm not sure how that that end game should be probably a draw right if i play rook b7 i don't really want to take on c7 yeah yeah and something like this should be a draw you can't force your way in yeah interesting so i mean but there's still a life in that in that one i think um amazingly so oh sabino did not find find the h4 move what's wrong with h4 here i mean it's just winning it's it that's insane by the way that since h4 is just a really easy win and i'm very very surprised that he missed it that's a huge miss indeed takes d2 what is this move yeah it looks like he didn't five and now knight of three and white is white is solid again yeah i really really i'm surprised with sabino here h4 was just begging to be played well still white's troubles are not over here because the queen on b7 is somewhat stuck but it's definitely a much better version for olga than she had a few moves before and actually i will be curious to ask sabino what did he if he saw h4 or not maybe he disliked it for some reason um yeah so olga on 12 minutes sabina on seven what do you think how is this game going i think this is gonna be definitely more towards a draw now and a big big chance because if sabino had won this there was a chance that the the boys would equalize on the day and and yeah to allow this is just it's it's it's very disappointing yeah indeed meanwhile in mamma zada uh against uh joe gallagher well this is this game this is this is lost no yeah this is lost um we do have another guest uh who i can have a chat with very quickly we're gonna go for a very quick break and we're gonna be joined by irine sukanda after this quick break and we'll have a quick look at her game so don't go anywhere we've still got a bunch of games in progress see you in a moment pretty welcome back this is round five battle of the sexes and i'm delighted to be joined by iran sukanda iran uh you had a draw today against leandro uh very interesting game lots of moments and uh i have to say we we're obviously covering all of the games we're not using an engine but from what we could see it felt like the right result do you get that impression yeah um well it was actually for me was quite a roller coaster game yeah because in the opening it feels like i might be better because i'm not sure about this variation quincy seven and bishop g4 it just gives me a few tempi uh in a row like f3 bishop f4 and so on right but he then consolidated very quickly with e5 and i couldn't find anything i thought i would be controlling something over the e file since the the king is still in the center but i couldn't find anything and turns out after a few moves later i felt like black was actually better yeah that's the that's what i thought when we when we were compensating this position i thought off i feel a bit what not worried for iran but certainly that you weren't fighting for an advantage yeah i couldn't and then also my my time management was very bad and at some point uh we had like a 40 minutes gap in the clock oh wow as much as that okay yeah but then i tried to blitz out in the end and then our time was actually uh being even again so yeah in this in this position he thought for quite a while here uh at some moment like okay like after net c1 rook g5 and then net d3 yeah he thought here okay 15 minutes i also i also calculated this line prior playing uh rook e1 before because this looks dangerous but after g4 i couldn't find anything for black g4 i think we were looking at f4 f4 was there but there was some uh variation where i'm not sure could be like okay for example like even rook g2 queen g2 queen d3 i mean i mean this is this is just the the the roll line that i was okay even this in this position it was still a bit unclear okay exchange up but upon down you know i'm i'm not too sure but g4 is just i think pretty clean okay because after that uh black didn't really have anything so knight f4 knight f4 bishop f4 and rook e1 i thought okay it's it's quite funny like in this phase of the game somehow i'm threatening made in one oh you're threatening mate that's right yeah rook e8 okay he saw that he saw that of course so he saw that he played he played g6 yeah which looks logical i gave a check first uh my rook is better on e8 anyway and then in this position i had some mixed feeling as well i mean i could have played rook e7 and then probably taking on b7 but there is there is some messy line in this position where uh black could just play rook e5 here yeah and then i have to take the rook otherwise rook e1 is coming yeah so takes takes and then okay i didn't have any more advantage probably still equal i guess it's it's it's hard to believe it's this is better for black so probably still equal but in that position i tried to play queen g2 i thought in this position if i could trade the queens then i would go i don't know the collaboration between my knight and my rook could be waiting for me but yeah it was still equal in the end so queen h4 um yeah so queen h4 and now a very important is queen f2 i played queen f2 yes and then he after queen f2 he decided to exchange on that square i think it's a better square for him instead of exchanging on g2 because what were you gonna do against queen x3 oh this is no i'm not gonna i'm not gonna repeat moves this is going to be knight to e2 knight e2 and i think uh white is better knight e2 wow i didn't see that move yeah okay you have to do something with my threat can't i take here what and what if i just take it back wow wait i didn't think about it oh my goodness but this is interesting this could just be losing for white could be okay i had some time in my clock maybe you were gonna find i would calculate it let me let me tell you what we we were looking at my first instinct was knight f5 check but there is king g6 in the end i already calculated this one to like f sorry gf5 yeah and then queen d4 f6 and then what else rook is 17 g6 why did i miss that okay what if just take on g4 yeah we were trying to make this work so queen c7 check and then king goes to h5 here yeah king goes to h5 but then there's a check here the king goes over and now you have queen ah this is check actually but we wasn't we weren't so this is check oh this is this is winning for white because it's an outside passport no oh maybe not there's g5 pawn i have no idea okay queen h6 king g4 queen e6 at least there is a draw there at least it yeah it is a draw at least a draw yeah yeah yeah just a draw it's just a draw but we obviously it was it was it's this moment here that wow you have to calculate if this is winning or not i totally missed that the bishop on f4 was hanging right no i we haven't checked with the engine so it could just not work so but it looked interesting anyway we thought that was your idea and that's why we thought leandro decided to take take a now an important move rook e5 right could we play queen g6 instead of f6 in the last variation yeah yeah like before sorry to take you back there okay like queen d4 and then just play play queen king g6 immediately instead of f6 queen d4 king g6 yeah is there any difference maybe i can just give um no no you cannot you know i can take and then take on g4 and now i've got this check oh probably the same i don't know check looks similar but maybe not maybe you have no checks here yeah so f6 is definitely better because i because black has a temple i mean in this position we already had the pawn on f3 right right exactly i as i say it's very complicated and it just requires hard but in in the game after queen takes f2 king takes f2 very important not to take here right exactly because rook e7 is there yeah and then white just wins probably yes yeah this is actually what i was hoping for right of course he was not falling into it yeah after rook e5 there are some things here that i calculated uh okay the game went with rook yet but i was also calculating rook takes e5 bishop takes e5 and then somewhere like knight c2 so if you take on h2 i have knight b4 or knight e3 knight b4 probably is better but instead of taking on h2 black should have gone king f6 uh huh yeah and then i don't know this end game looks like shouldn't be bad for black shouldn't be bad that's why the bishop is pretty strong and the pawn on d5 i couldn't really convert it to anything so that's why i decided to keep the rooks on okay um rook d8 there yeah there is also another line here that i could play king no there you start right bishop e3 king f1 king f1 yeah but i think indian it will be just the same like bishop d4 cd4 and then rook e3 and if king f2 and then rook d3 yeah and the double attack yeah exactly so uh indian i think it would be just a the same position so takes takes and then yeah this position i don't know this looks like if we turn the engine on of course i think it would be just balance but in in practical way uh black i think it's a bit better i mean it's easier to play with black here instead of white in my opinion i don't know i might be wrong i think it's probably a bit better for black but it feels like a position that you shouldn't lose either with white here but i think at some point here uh black shouldn't allow me to play h5 because if i just uh neutralize the king side's pawn i think there's you know i i cannot have second weakness anymore right so after old sorry sorry sorry after all the exchanges of the pawns uh in the king side yeah then then it's an easy draw all right um you know interesting game uh you've got a really interesting situation in the match because the ladies are winning uh nino one and well let's quickly while you're here go to eric's game oh i've got some bad news but it it looks i'm rooting for my teammate of course but i'm also friends with erics i have uh but this is losing for black yeah it's it's losing for it's losing for i don't actually know what happened in the game but we don't have this position so i don't know um some we i don't have the position on the board as you can see in the on the screen is just actually an immediately resigns position because rook check rook f8 is just yeah there's there's nothing more to be there's nothing more to be done so eric is going to lose meaning that the ladies are going to be up two zero now the saviour for today which is a huge shock for me is joe gallagher yeah i was watching this game during during my own game and i thought it was just a pre standard draw for white i mean obviously uh gunai took the bishop a bit late toward the back of the pawn like you have to control everything from behind right uh but she didn't do that and allowed all this pawn storm um yeah i think this is just losing yeah so what's the quickest way for black here i you you probably can't go d3 but what about just king f3 that looks like a if if our black i would just play something i don't know yeah king f3 looks good um yeah just just skip the pawns going that's what he did yeah that's yeah i think gunai is ready to resign actually because e3 e2 is just uh yeah you have no pawn yeah i mean it's it's not uh it's not really anything to discuss so joe is going to win and incredibly olga i mean we were looking at this game arena and uh in this position here we were shocked that sabino didn't play the natural move h1 it might just be losing for white i would have pushed that pawn you don't have any thinking because after rook takes d4 you can just probably go h3 i don't know if we want to do it here i think even if you took it it's also you know it's it's a distant move like uh you can think about h3 later but of course yeah that h4 has to be moved otherwise white might be able to consolidate the position but okay this is still better for black anyway yeah and now in the position that we have after rook f4 oh he won a pawn actually sorry sorry he just randomly won a pawn so it might be the case that he still has got good chances here he's definitely better so the queen has to go i don't know went to e6 yeah covering some squares yeah still some problems here for olga it looks like and yavanka well yavanka hang on can you can you go back to the last position last position of olga okay i was i was calculating some tactical line might be not working i was like rook f6 queen f6 and hg5 oh it doesn't work doesn't matter does it work though i was trying to have some perpetual king h6 knight f7 king g6 and knight h king h7 yeah king h7 is fine no no it doesn't work but probably doesn't work right it doesn't work but you have to look at these things i mean for sure yeah but now what happened if like rook e4 because there's always some idea like um on the seven rank mm-hmm so rook e4 yeah that's that's actually a good move rook e4 okay hoping for queen f5 then again you can repeat but yeah but where else to put the queen if queens if we can okay let's say queen d6 then queen f7 is there yeah oh wow and now suddenly white my white is winning white is winning yeah and then rook e8 is coming well then it might just be a draw if you have to keep control of these light squares could just be a draw queen g8 looks holding but it looks ugly but goodness me queen g8 otherwise queen f7 might be you know the next move for white yeah i mean this is just an attempt to she plays rook e4 so let's see i mean yeah queen g8 is just such a gross move to play but how much time does subpoena have that's another question if he's less than a minute less than a minute well i i don't understand how you can play queen g8 with less than a minute because it's effectively if it it's a move that can lose you know he went back yeah he went back he went back when you can't play queen g8 unless in a minute because you know a move like queen d7 and besides playing or i mean we said analyzing the position we could also analyze the gesture and mix of the players you know like yeah everything so we know it's ready to repeat the moves and shake the hands he looks ready let's get your opinion very quickly on yovanka against aziz oh yeah i was also watching this game um probably i shouldn't have watching i shouldn't have watched too many games they're difficult because you want to look at the other games yeah no because it's a team event so you're also got curious other other games uh yeah yovanka shouldn't be losing at all so at least it's a draw but it's a question whether uh what can pull a win in this position which might be hard because black can just do some fortress with the king and the knight over there um i think it might be draw but with some tactical ideas you know maybe we never know especially black is uh down the time right now one okay less than two minutes so maybe black will play some blunder or mistake but anyway this can't be losing for for white yeah she had a crushing position earlier so um so it might well actually no the the the the ladies are the ladies are guaranteed the win today is assuming that olga against sabino is going to end in a repetition that means that you are going to be guaranteed the win so that will mean that probably going into the rest day you'll have a two-point advantage yeah how does that feel uh well it feels nice to be okay assuming that we are winning this round right it's nice to be back in the victory trail again because we lost the last two uh matches so but i think it's important i mean we had uh team meetings every night and then yeah i know yeah so pia keeps uh motivating us like look it's important to be happy yeah this is what she emphasizes so it's important to be happy there's always another game next day but you have to be happy you have to be relaxed and you know just keeping all the positive vibes to that's great for the teammates so that's really fantastic yeah um well look i mean thanks so much for for coming and uh we've really enjoyed your chess so far some really great games so have a lovely rest tomorrow any plans for the rest day okay i don't know uh erick annoying erick and i might be filming some bbc documentary tomorrow all right okay that's uh one thing on the schedule yes okay fantastic because this event is fantastic you know and then this needs to be um you know gives more exposure especially this is this is a very good event for all the scientists out there later when they're going to research about the difference between men and women in chess and so on it's this is fantastic so well look have a have a very interesting day and a relaxing day tomorrow and i look forward to seeing your games on when is it sunday sunday yes yes all right thanks Irene thanks lauren's all right we'll take a short break and then we'll be back with the remaining games still a couple ongoing looks as though uh joe is about to win but yovanka and olga's games still critical for the round so we'll be right back welcome back ladies and gentlemen this is round five of the battle of the sexist jib chess we've just seen irine sucunda go over her game a very interesting draw uh the situation as thing stands is as follows the women are winning this round by a point joe gallagher has brought home the bacon for the boys the only win so far and a massive win actually beating gunai with the black pieces it was such a roller coaster game arena i mean it could have any result was possible at some moment but joe uh nerves of steel and he played he played in his best style today and i must say i am a bit surprised by the result in this game because i thought gunai had the better chance but what a great what a great fighting spirit and congratulations to joe yeah great game by joe we saw that maria beat eric rosen and now we've just got two games remaining and uh believe it or not sabina brunello he might he won a pawn somehow i don't know what happened but you know actually on the previous move he made his move queen c2 with just one second on the clock so after he pushed he pushed the button he had 31 seconds on the clock i think i would have a heart attack if that would happen in a game of mind amazing one second on the clock he managed to do it and now olgas played the move night to d4 after which we've had a trade and we have this extremely uh well still unclear to me position queen and rook against queen and rook but black has got an extra pawn and subino has just played rook before uh this is a clever move yeah the idea is that if white tries rook d7 trying here no doubt subino wants to exchange queens even this ending i'm not sure is winning there's also queen g6 in case you don't want to trade queens just for now um yeah definitely sabino has a point up and it has been a tremendous decision and fantastic willpower of here not to repeat the moves and to play another one with one just one second on the clock i just can't believe that yeah i should also point out that here uh you can't take the rook off because we do a very important job of guarding this checking diagonal and when you take here i can simply advance my pawn and that's the end of the game you've got no moves here yeah and black's queen covers very well the h7 b1 diagonal so there are no checks whatsoever it's just game over uh here so Olga will have to do something else after rook b4 and what would that be not completely clear to me at all what she can do here she has to keep the rook on i i guess she is going to go rook d7 because queen e4 check uh takes takes and now let's say rook b7 yeah this particular ending i doubt is winning for black actually no there is a chance because i still did not have time to place my rook on a6 so perhaps you could go for something like rook b4 and then a4 that's clever yeah and then it's it's not it's not easy i believe it even might be winning queen d5 though by Olga Giria oh that's a clever move look at this move the point is if you play rook takes d4 now she doesn't want to take the rook back but rather she's going to take the pawn on h5 with check and repeat via this well known perpetual check yeah that's a great a great move especially since Sabino is low on time and he's gonna be low on time until the end of the game actually and he wants to play king h6 yeah this is a good move this is a good move the point is that there are no checks and he protects the pawn right oh and now the rook cannot really go to d7 anymore so the rook will have to go back i believe well the rook can go back but it's there's an argument is it even being can you play queen ah no you can't i want it to be really special and play queen actually maybe you can what about rook d4 oh sorry there's queen h7 yeah indeed sorry i missed that queens do go backwards because if this king had to come well if this king had to come here even this even the king come out yeah this oh this is winning yeah this is just winning right the queen j is just nonsense so we rubbish that um what else you can't really afford trading rooks can you i don't think so i think that's very dangerous to trade rooks what about no g4 cannot be a move here okay all go now with one minute and where is she going to go maybe there could be she does go queen d8 a similar kind of concept but how is the queen end game now because i believe sabin's gonna take it the same game here you can give check and play b5 something like this no wait after b5 don't i have something over check here it's still quite quite a similar thing now yeah and then i take here no but wait here after you go away with the king i have queen d3 check and i take your b5 pawn so you should play something like g5 g5 and then maybe maybe i will have ideas of a perpetual after h takes f takes queen c6 check played immediately so queen d8 queen c6 check king to h2 that's not actually it's all right but he still has to take on d4 because now the queen from c6 no longer covers h7 right right exactly i believe he plans to take on d4 here but still not clear that he's gonna win yeah five seconds four three rook b2 wow he went for it well this is actually a very clever move to and to b1 why not all right so his point is that queen h8 doesn't work because of king g6 and there are no other checks coming and the pawn on f2 is still hanging right and if something like rook f4 maybe even the rook b1 and now rook b1 right threatening the the back rank and you can't ever do this because it's just immediately mate and she played rook d2 yeah that's a good move i believe so so how did it go so rook b2 and rook d2 now rook d2 immediately because so now after capturing the rook it will gonna be a check and we're still going towards that queen sand game but now that if i go rook b1 he took he did not have time at all yeah so takes takes check but there would have been some rook d5 you know with ideas of queen h8 right right so takes takes and king g6 well i can tell you this we're gonna be here for a while longer analyzing this one because this i mean if you're black here you play on forever and they're both playing on increments i actually believe this should be winning for black one way or another even if an engine would say perhaps that it might be a draw still for a human being it's very difficult to defend for a very very long time now the king might come towards the a4 pawn or at least try to do so white will need to find the right checks actually the king may go to b7 at some point if it cannot go to b4 yeah it's it's gonna be a long battle okay let's go to the yavanka game and see what's going on there yavanka by the way you know i found a very funny mate here oh where black plays knight a8 now in yavanka's game yeah king a7 yes rook a5 yes wait it was in a slightly different position where the bishop couldn't cover against them but that's very cute yeah that's very cute okay but this is the position after rook b1 and knight d5 check has been played by aziz yavanka looking a bit frustrated with six minutes on a clock aziz has got uh one minute 24 and the problem is king c5 runs into knight f4 check and i actually protect the rook when i take and this is an easy draw so but also rook d5 is possible and you're probably winning a piece oh wait what did i miss rook d5 sorry maybe maybe even knight d3 knight b4 oh yeah yeah that's winning white is no longer risking to win this game if you would say so but hold on knight d5 but hold on this is this is serious yeah this could be a problem actually for white because if you go king a7 okay king a7 oh i've got a fantastic idea okay let's go for the king c5 move king c5 yeah knight f4 king d6 knight d3 c7 oh yeah knight d3 c6 that would be so nice that is cute yeah but unfortunately i have an intermediate check yeah that's an important check right okay so what happened so knight d5 check on yavanka so she only has two moves really right a6 or a7 so if i could put my king on a7 what's going on here i'm not sure that after king c7 maybe you're not in big trouble oh you think black is winning now i don't say it's winning but i'm sure it's no oh yavanka looks absolutely dejected she had a completely crushing position can she really lose this goodness me that would be a catastrophe no i believe with precise play by white here it should still be a draw but it's definitely unpleasant to have the situation when you are better than winning better and then you have suddenly to defend absolutely all right actually is there no there is not king a5 knight c3 still yeah yeah i believe she's trying to make king c5 work but i don't see a way of that working out actually okay now three minutes and a half for yavanka or could could that be one which line let's try again king c5 okay knight a4 and after knight a4 let's play king b6 and after knight d3 i was thinking to try rook a1 very creative and now i want to deliver a mate on a8 it works and i don't see a way for black to to stop that because otherwise my pawn will be queening i guess rook a8 and c7 i still make a draw here huh probably maybe not rook a8 i'll c8 well i was thinking that i should probably draw this position as black uh yeah yeah i i believe i believe it should be a draw but you've got this incredible move rook d8 here rook d8 rook c5 rook d8 but you can still take on c7 no oh yeah sorry sorry yeah this is this is so that actually looks like a draw as well it's also very hard to play that move i find 95 king c5 knight a4 and then go back to b6 no but otherwise white is in real trouble because as we said after king a7 king c7 yeah you're offside suddenly with the king i agree yeah but perhaps you're not okay let's go for king a7 king c7 we need to find a way maybe you can just do check king c6 i have rook h7 rook e7 check yeah and it is losing well we don't even have to calculate it the king is too far right yeah it feels like it and that knight protects the pawn incredible geometry um where is she gonna go she's now getting she's she's shaking her head she she cannot believe it that she got to this position no but she shouldn't get too upset she just has to oh to keep her composure and try to find just a straightforward way to um to at least make a draw she does go king c5 that's good so now aziz is gonna play knight a4 check it's not even a question played and king b6 back king c4 well this is um admitting well firstly that everything has gone wrong but okay this is quite a safe way to play for a draw actually but king yeah king b6 would still yeah but it's it's gonna end the same way so that's all right now it's just very yeah and after king c7 i guess she can just go rook b7 check king c6 and once again start but h5 and uh rook f7 something i mean you can't you can't realistically win this position i would say knight takes e3 throw in nice check here yeah yeah this is this is just gonna be a draw yeah now king c4 is you know now she now she accepts that it's probably gonna be a draw and yvanka just disgusted really really upset with herself and we've all been there because how many times i mean i know how many winning positions i've lost and don't tell me about it yeah it's just um it's just such a cruel game uh yeah so king c4 and now well aziz he's got 30 seconds so the question is what is he gonna do is he tied does he want to be really optimistic here does he want to go for play for a win and play some move like 96 or something i believe that would be highly impractical to do so yeah because you can things can there's even rook b5 there i mean you can't win this position 10 seconds just take the knight and call it a draw take the bishop i think he's gonna do that yeah it's just it's just over okay yeah and the draw has been agreed yeah a huge let-off for hussain aziz and that could that could be the deciding moment because with one game remaining olgagiria against Sabino Brunello let's go straight there and uh we have the position let's just follow f5 on the board right the situation is clear brunello pawn up oh they are so low in time i'm so worried for them i don't know i get the heart beats you know do you and and i'm i don't mind stop i don't have any beat yeah i want to ring how are they coping with those emotions well it's just a very unpleasant moment for olga who understands that she's playing for two results but you know if you have an end game with the pawn down the queens end game are quite all right i mean many times you have a lot of drawing chances so olga will try her best to find them absolutely so what did she do after f5 maybe we can get a slightly different angle on the board so we can more of a from above that would be great oh and he's played something played some oh she played f4 wow f4 wow that is unexpected to now now of course this might be trouble what do we do after i don't know actually the king will get checked then i was thinking about queen a1 threatening a mate on h1 and attacking the pawn on a4 then our king is pretty pretty lonely there on a7 no how do we check it i know i assumed it should be something queen because if i get to h6 the checks are finished right i need to give a check at some point that will protect my pawn on a4 well he didn't do that he put the queen on b4 which also makes a lot of sense attacking the pawn and actually if queens if queen c2 he wants queen e4 i know there's a check here i'm trying to organize a queen trade but queen c7 is a problem or is it or is it yeah it kind of is king f8 and now king h2 yeah that's all right that's all right is it yeah you don't really win this type of end games with the king so so exposed yeah i i don't like what Sabina has done but perhaps he can find a route towards the queen side with his king because otherwise oh and she played queen to d5 queen before queen d5 this this is a very responsible what is this ah she wants to check check so if i take a pawn what's going on here queen b7 i believe is oh but now i can go queen ah queen d7 queen takes b6 and she attacks two pawns right right yeah that could be a good move then queen d5 so queen takes pawn queen b7 check wait but what about queen e4 now it's check instead instead of taking on a4 queen e4 now now she has no checks it's over queen d5's a huge blunder and queen d1 no it's not over it's not over she found the square yeah we thought that white had no no other way than changing the queens because a mate on h1 was coming but actually there is still one square from which the queen can protect h1 but it was close it was close to being over huh yeah but now now at least black's queen is dominating whites isn't but how do you make progress you need the king here is black to start walking yeah perhaps you could try something like king e6 king e6 king h2 and now queen d5 or something right something like that yeah yeah trying to block but yeah and now finally if you start doing this finally i come over to the queen side yeah one thing i can tell you is that Sabino is going to play this forever no definitely wow and uh well they both have a minute left what would it mean if he would win this game would it be and even match that yes if if if Sabino wins this today we have an even match and at some moment i must say it looked as though the women were going to win plus three i would say yeah right i mean yovanka was winning exactly uh pier looked like she had a great position gunai looked like she shouldn't be losing right that's already three games and then olga here also looked like she shouldn't lose so that's a lot of points exactly and i don't know probably the girls wouldn't be happy with an even match today no they'll be they they have to be disappointed because they had the victories in their hands a lot of them well at least you know this game here olga should she be losing that position not really should gunai have lost not really should yovanka have made a draw not really so but you have to give credit to joe because well in the game against gunai nobody was actually better you know so it was it wasn't like gunai had a better position no no it was very crazy it was crazy it was crazy yeah so uh kingy six played by sabino 46 seconds and queen uh b3 check oh wait what uh he can just go back i see and he doesn't blunder the pawn yeah he can just go back because you can't take because of check mate on h1 yeah h1 so 15 seconds for sabino okay but how frustrating would it be for olga she would lose this game after sabino has made a move with just one second on the clock well i don't you don't think it's really no i don't think that matters so much i think she i think when he didn't play this h4 move she probably felt relieved and and then uh and and then suddenly he managed to find some ideas because it happened to me once to lose like that after my opponent made twice actually a move with one second on the clock in a classical game and i just i don't know i couldn't calm myself down after the game okay king h2 queeny two check on the board now olga's got a decision if she wants to put a king on h3 or on the back rank um i would put it on g1 yeah well there's no reason to allow those ideas have a mate on h1 it's just a safer option i believe king g1 played and now queen to e6 by brunello protecting and attacking the queen yeah so his idea is to somehow make whites queen go to a square from which he could give a check and then somehow force white to to trade queens but yeah which of course white should be careful about it but let's say queen b5 check queen b5 queen c6 let's say yeah and where do i go now queen b3 back queen b3 yeah now i probably want to play king d6 start uh start getting my king active right she plays queen c3 which is just not a move that even enters my brain here because queen c5 check now trades queens yeah but the queen is on the light square and there are no checks so far so it's okay probably i play queen d6 here yeah now the problem is that after queen g7 king c6 you cannot go for queen c3 because queen c5 will just trade queens and it's game over so you have to be accurate here yeah i like i like the chances sabina has to win this game actually because even if we imagine that you lose somehow the g6 pawn which which might not be the case but even though it will be very tough to create a past pawn meanwhile right queen d6 was played in a mean and also you can't go here and here because there's queen c6 check so the the king is in the play so that's why she put the king on h2 a very a very good move i believe yeah yeah so now for example let's just imagine that black goes queen before and i go queen g7 if i'm gonna take those pawns but the king will run let's say king c6 queen just ah but now i take with check on f5 yeah no that's not good no i just wanted to try to take that a4 pawn and sacrifice the g6 and come with the king closer but it's not working for now how else could he play it's very difficult because as you said the king is so open maybe queen c6 and then bring the queen back to e6 yeah he wants to go for that king d6 but now that white's king is on h2 it will be more difficult to advance with the king there will be no no checks of that kind which forces white to trade the queens right 38 seconds olga girya her toughest test so far right she has been really solid she was on plus one not losing a game and today it's the first time when she's on the verge of losing and king g1 queen d6 back why are they repeating i don't know king h2 she's gonna go king h2 that's for sure okay so oh and queen c6 of course there is no reason to make a draw yet okay and now on queen g7 check his idea as he wants to go king c8 yeah he's heading towards a6 and find some shelter here but wait is it working queen f8 queen e7 but now you have queen c7 because here there is queen e2 maybe there's also b5 no take okay queen e6 queen b6 queen c4 or queen e2 no queen e2 is better queen e2 king a7 it might be a perpetual at some point yeah you might you this might still be a draw queen c5 some some weird yeah it could be a draw but queen g7 check played so we're gonna find out so the king's gonna come to c8 but you're not forced to go to a6 you could play also queen c7 after my check on e7 and i believe i believe we're gonna actually see that he just played king c8 yeah now now she has to choose on which square to deliver the check but f8 seems like the most logical to oh she she chose fine but now the king is going to a6 and there will be no checks i don't like this one oh really okay but maybe maybe it's still fine queen f7 king a6 queen b3 or maybe queen b3 when immediately without the check on f7 just to leave that open opened option yeah this was not the right way maybe well what about if i play queen e4 here and now after queen f7 yeah and i say you can have it and queen d7 no i don't i don't want to you want to take it okay yeah queen d7 is a good move i think it's difficult to make a progress yeah it is and she does but you play your move well done very nice queen b3 yeah somehow the king has to head towards c5 but then many times he has to find a construction where she cannot take the pawn on g6 with the check right but if he is gonna just move here and there for a few moves she will find you know the idea of how to hold the position and that's actually the danger of this kind of position so you cannot really delay for too long finding the right plan right by the way the 50 move rule i guess will exist in this game remember so if this pawn doesn't move basically or there's no capture uh the 50 move rule could come into play but i don't see subpoena playing 38 more moves without moving a pawn all right so she played king a7 he wants to bring the queen to b7 and i actually dislike completely this decision because i think it's gonna just be a draw because now look if i play queen f7 check if you go for queen b7 after queen to c4 um let's say queen f7 queen b7 queen to c4 b5 is not coming anytime soon oh wait um they did they did play something queen f7 happened and he just played king a6 my point was that after queen b7 queen c4 all is fine for white here and after king a6 it's quite the same i can just return queen b3 yeah that's probably what she's gonna do 23 seconds for olga queen b3 and a look of disappointment that by subpoena somehow because i think he knows yeah he went a little bit wrong coming with that king to a6 even though it was my first instinct as well but he was very long time on from the other point of view and perhaps he did not succeed at finding the better construction yeah what uh what a day it's all uh come down to this game yeah i mean for me i think subpoena moving these kingside pawns like he did early as well and was maybe not the way queen d7 now yeah i believe he will try to bring the king back because there is no way to progress with this king on a6 queen c4 check he will move the king 100% king a7 or king b7 both are possible doesn't really make a difference yeah probably king b7 should be the move plate wow yeah tough day especially after four rounds of chess and then to play a long game like this we are five and a half hours into this game king b7 played by subpoena as you said now queen b3 again makes a lot of sense right so if they had any energy left they will not after today's game i believe yeah so they've got the rest day tomorrow yeah right the rest day will come very handy and subpoena trying so hard to bring to bring his team the critical point yeah because men are now down down a point right but even if this ends in a draw which is likely i would say um plus one for the women's day is not a bad result okay what's happened wait i see in the chat a very nice suggestion what if b5 now i'll be five here yeah this is a very clever one yeah that's a lovely suggestion i think you'll do it as well yeah because now after a takes king b6 there are well you still have to calculate all those checking ideas but now you are getting the pawn back right the queen is not entering to take these plans so yeah it makes a lot of sense yeah he could i believe it's a good way to try and make make progress let's say queen e3 check king b5 are there enough and the queen is so well placed on d7 no but wait maybe i have just queen b3 oh actually it might it might still not be the time for this breakthrough but the idea is is really interesting because so now the king doesn't have a good way to run away from the checks like king c5 queen c3 and we are attacking he played it he played it so he just decided you know what i can't just move around forever so i'll go after b5 well i mean taking is taking is not forced but no it's forced because if i play before then it might be yeah i can already give all those pawns on the king side yeah so she took on b5 and yeah there is but perhaps black might not hurry taking that b5 pawn because it covers us from checks so move like queen let's say queen d2 check then some queen d4 you know just giving those pawns on the king side and trying to make this a file pawn run it it it is a very good chance for for sabino yeah i like it okay also just 40 seconds for olgogiria the fantastically well respected russian grandmaster who is rated currently 24 16 but i can tell you that is massively underrated she is a 2500 plus grandmaster on her more uh let's say when she's a bit bit more informed she's obviously had a tough year um but when she's on form she's incredibly tough to play yeah she has been for many years four seconds all right queen e3 king takes b5 oh on the board yeah she has been a really important player in the russian's national women's team and they have won a lot of gold medals in team championships together with olga and yeah uh today today she will do her best trying to to defend this one queen e5 was played yeah queen e5 check and wait it's the 90s 90 move it could be an immediate draw but this is the longest game we've seen so far right sure by a long by a long mile king because the problem is if the king comes back uh maybe he'll go king b6 um yeah okay okay uh the point being that i don't have a check on d4 and if i go to f6 if you go to f6 i have queen c6 and then i can play queen b2 and then some king a6 queen e2 yeah king a7 queen e7 yeah maybe now king b6 queen e3 and what did they do queen we have queen e3 king b6 on the board right uh with the but we have the queen on d7 here all right okay so subino yeah will he be able to find a way to run away from those checks wait maybe maybe he should go back to the king side no but that that cannot be the answer no because also he's gonna get checked and then queen takes a five will be on top so he goes king b7 but now queen b3 no yeah i don't believe that this can be yeah this should be a perpetual queen b3 king a8 i have queen f3 he wanted me to play queen g8 king a6 he played but then queen c4 is coming right no question that's he played king a6 already well after queen c4 i don't see a way for black to win this one no king b6 he's trying to uh let's queen b3 queen b5 queen e6 or e3 it's yeah because if i let your king pass the half board who knows because then they might come towards a two then maybe it again will be a double check yeah queen b5 played yeah now not the easiest choice queen e6 or queen e3 i believe we don't have time to collect this spawner or do we well that's what i was thinking okay if we take the f5 one as well probably it will be all right right but uh black can move the king king where king b4 but then again queen d6 i'm not sure yeah i think she's going for for for this one actually oh no he doesn't want to allow that no but then queen b3 back will will follow i like that she's taking her time you know not making hasty hasty moves because every move has such a high price now yeah queen b3 played move 96 yep what will Sabina do he will probably repeat play queen b5 and after queen e6 he will have to try king c5 right i don't think so no i don't think he's gonna try i don't think we're in a match situation where he can even think about risking yeah right but is he actually risking there after giving up the g6 well maybe not but it adds you know she's not low enough on time the pawn is just not that far advanced the king is still open yeah yeah i don't believe he's gonna do it but i would do it yeah yeah perhaps not uh well in a team event when you're but here actually when the individual points count then it's a bit different but when the team i mean every match counts then i would go for it because it would be the only chance to save my team you know yes because if i lose doesn't matter like you know yeah if they if they take the match points as the first criteria not like here as we have individual points yeah so here you you you can't risk it right yeah because if sabrino does draw it's just one point difference going into the rest two points difference oh two points two points but two points is not a lot with five more rounds yeah right no that's true of course anything can happen after the free day we are only half through with our with our tournament so what what is going on here king a7 now queen d3 was played right and king a7 so you can give checks on d4 queen d4 queen b6 queen d7 yeah that should be that should be the way but he will probably go to c7 and again come to maybe to b6 yeah i expect it to be a draw um but let's see who knows you know with uh so many hours behind i mean how many hours are they playing five and a half already it's it's a long game yeah and down to seconds everything's quite unpredictable i'll go with 50 seconds more than enough time sabrino trying to think of a construction but it does feel like this this isn't see the problem black houses he's got a flank pawn yeah this is an a pawn if this was a b-pawn then you would have ways around it with the king exactly the a-pawn gives you as little options as possible and queen a free check indeed yeah queen e3 queen d4 is i think pretty much the same thing yeah so if queen b6 wait queen a7 king a6 queen e2 queen b5 queen e6 yeah like this yeah okay king b7 played now she can go back to b3 which she does yeah sabrino doesn't look happy yeah i think he just understands actually king a6 queen d3 he does go to a8 so he's trying another to square but now so now he wants just queen g8 it's tricky but actually i don't even have to ah but then you can play for no i thought maybe he's going towards a6 now how do you play here ah queen g7 ah queen g7 king a6 there's no check yeah uh-huh the queen covers very well this one so that's why you wanted to you would want to keep the queen on the e-file so that the queen could go back to e2 checking this king ah he found a construction king a8 brilliant as now perhaps we will see a pawn move very soon and another 50 move will start counting 175 moves is my guess this game yeah yeah now yeah oh nine seconds yeah Olga move queen b2 well oh but he made quite a progress yeah now he can go a4 well it still should be a draw after a move like queen b4 or something like that but um yeah it's not pleasant when your opponent makes progress after 30 mean 30 moves let's say of playing here and there no even if she would offer a draw of course Sabina would play on he has nothing to lose there it's a completely risk-free position and he moves indeed the pawn a4 move 100 queen b4 now yeah exactly as i was thinking yeah but she has to be careful she cannot make any more mistakes now queen queen c2 is a possibility and then after king g1 something like queen b3 and then the king can come because after okay let's put it on the board king g1 queen b3 i'm not sure there are any other perpetuals now that the queen covers the b file all right so eventually my king will find its way through uh and he played king a7 where was it here queen before you play king a7 oh it's also fine of course what about queen a7 now or queen d4 maybe maybe queen d4 queen d4 king a6 yeah the king is making progress queen d3 king a5 i believe no king a5 queen d2 queen b2 king c4 queen c2 king d5 i'm actually getting driven the wrong side queen d3 yeah king is six but i don't think i want maybe it's not so bad and what put my king back on h6 it's possible queen it yeah all right let's not get too far away let's see what they do yeah on the board uh where was it king d4 king a6 where are they playing formulas seven drivers says in chat we are playing in the garrison library one of the oldest uh buildings in gibraltar beautiful building cold but beautiful actually i saw uh some challenges going on today uh the player who would find a book under a certain index in this library would have a special price today oh wow yeah i didn't know that yeah i've i've read it a bit earlier did somebody find it i'm not sure okay but you know actually i have never uh looked for a book in a library myself i know that this is a bit different actually the way you have libraries in the uk for example and the way we have them in eastern europe what's the difference well i believe it is more common to to go to a library and study uh in the uk than it is nowadays in let's say romania or because you know my sister uh was going very often in the library to study in the uk and i have never actually gone to a library to study i went there to borrow a book perhaps in the old days or yeah we have i believe a different relationship with the libraries could be oh oh that's it it's over what it's over hold on brunella gave a check oh the king went to g1 queen b3 and now on queen d6 queen b6 is check oh poor olga but maybe the position was already getting out of hand yeah it's possible very very hard to defend such a position oh what what a game and a huge victory for the men yeah but now i really feel for olga when when she will be remembering this game but also the situation with the time like the moment sabino made a move with one second on the clock i think that's going to be that's going to be a tough evening for olga i believe but a great a great uh fighting spirit for uh the man's captain for sabino yeah who actually now made uh the score today be even and that means that overall the ladies are living only by one point wow yeah so uh an all-square day in the end quite incredible so many swings uh today uh and you have to say fantastic success for the men right you know in we're in a desperate situation at some point uh nino while her result looks pretty secure from the start uh yavanka looked like she was going to win she didn't win olga looked like she wasn't going to lose she lost and then gunai also well that was very complicated but certainly at some moment felt like she was not going to lose so a let-off for the men today right and i believe what we're going to do as per usual is we are going to go for a very quick break and then we are going to sit back with the team captains to get their thoughts on today's action it's been a very long day uh people are very tired but it would be great to hear from those captains so don't go anywhere we'll be back in just a minute um yeah so when i first heard of the battle of the sexist format i was super excited um i was actually originally invited to be a commentator for this tournament but i negotiated my way to become a player and uh it's amazing to be part of such a historic event where i don't believe this format has been done before on especially on such a scale so i know it's attracted a lot of publicity from around the world and it's been very interesting so far um yeah so i think there's more pressure in an individual competition compared to a team competition just because if i have a bad game or just a bad result the team is there to lift me up and um and yeah it's always nice to be part of a team where you're cheering on your teammates helping each other and it just makes a event more enjoyable so we started the first couple of rounds with a very bad score we we lost with the black pieces and then with the white pieces both around six and a half to three and a half and uh it's tough in a team competition when no one is is doing like really well um it's a very important time to try and come together as a team and regroup and refocus and uh it's been great being part of the men's team we have a whatsapp group and there's always words of encouragement uh there's been some helping each other with preparation i don't want to want to reveal too many secrets but uh it was great to bounce back in the third round um scoring i think plus four and we're we're proving that we can uh at least compete with the women and make it close yeah match like this with men versus women i think brings a lot of lessons um and it's hard to say during the event just because especially as a player i'm just focused on playing the best moves possible but we've already seen just so much attention worldwide from uh chess fans and the online community um especially in a format like this where there's men versus women i know it's a topic of discussion in the chess world um not only in recent times but over the course of so many years and uh i would hope that we have more events like this to to grow the game of chess and make it so that chess is is not just a men's sport but is accessible for for everyone so i think this is a great start for just experimentation with formats to have uh men and women on a more level playing field and i love the concept of incorporating team chess and the uh male versus female aspect to it and i'm really hoping that we can see more events similar to this maybe with with different formats perhaps uh more like blitz or rapid competitions more tandem competitions where it's not just about the end result but it's about making chess entertaining and uh and just fun to watch for chess fans all over the world who's going to win this tournament it's hard to say but i think everyone's going to win especially chess fans we're getting a lot of really really exciting games and uh personally as a player i've really been enjoying it even uh the games where i haven't performed well i lost the first round but i had a a blast playing the game and there's another game where i was tortured in the end game for over like three four hours and i still enjoyed it um so i think at the end of the day it's more about enjoying the game growing the game and making making things fun for everyone i think we're we're living in a day and age where especially in the age of the internet and online communities chess has become a ton more accessible with all the major chess platforms uh content on youtube and twitch and all these different chess websites and it's important because it just brings more players into the game people are beginning to realize that chess doesn't necessarily fit into the stereotype where it's just for nerds or people that lack athletic ability it can be a really fun and enriching game and the more we can make chess entertaining and just interesting for the average person the more it does for growing the game we are back at the fifth round of the battle of the sexes and i have with me the team captains uh grandmaster pia crumbling and grandmaster sabino brunello it has been a really a really tough day sabino you were the last one to finish your game uh how do you feel now do you feel relieved did you know that your winning uh actually made the match even today no i had no idea about the match i was very busy playing my game it was very complicated again i messed up and then probably the ending would have been a draw with accurate play but it was super hard i guess um right so uh you will probably uh have a very well deserved and uh long awaited rest tonight i believe right yes i will be very happy to just pick it up and what about the boys performances today did you have any chance to follow any games so yeah i saw the games and i have to say i wasn't very happy with how the match was going i thought we yeah we were probably going to lose the the match today but luckily we held the draw which is great right so congratulations and pia how do you feel today how was the match going you know i didn't see the loss of games i only saw the games after i finished my own game and then of course i saw that jovanka she had a nice position and i heard she was even much better than before but it looked like she had chances so i was hoping she was going to win and i was hoping that the olga could make a draw and yeah so so yeah i was hoping for more absolutely so a little bit disappointed but but it's it's it's difficult and you know queen endings very very difficult but i thought it was i think both players played very well there in in the yeah yeah in the end game it was very interesting only the final blunder decided it and uh yeah um yeah i i guess yeah but it was it was lost after after queen of the queen before i guess it was not maybe yeah she but i don't know how it was if she would play the best no she keep on yeah uh well saying that uh how how do you feel going before uh um the rest day tomorrow is gonna be a rest day how how's the team spirit how are the girls it's very good i i think you know the team has made it wonderful here we had enormous fantastic start then we have an upset day it was just simply not our day it was sometimes this happened but after i think we have made four fine matches it was just one very bad day but the rest of matches has been very well and it's very good um fighting spirit and we have very good um team spirit also so now it's my nice right i also wanted to ask you uh there are a lot of young girls on the team uh do you see uh yourself how like in any of them do you do they remind uh you of yourself or you know it's so long time ago i had this image you know so i know i never thought of that i guess no not the not myself no i didn't think like that like that but also because chess has developed chess is so different now it's so much more knowledge in chess everyone knows so much more than we did at my time because we were playing oh at my time when i was junior we we had no computer so it was just different but i i see lots of young girls coming and i'm very happy to see that um playing well with a lot of energy so it's no it's just great and i think it's just a wonderful list that we are all different ages yeah it makes it very interesting and everyone can have a different perspective i guess and bring together something different each each right yeah absolutely all right uh sevina how is your team feeling today i think we're we're all right did you hope for more or are you happy with the result no i think you just play the positions you get and you make as many points as you can and i think we were quite lucky to to tie the score today and yeah i'm quite happy with it and i'm not sure about how the guys feel but for me it's all right any special plans for the rest today uh we don't have a plan yet i i'm looking forward to hearing some proposals i know they are organizing something but i didn't do it myself and we'll see what they came up with uh what about uh your team pia tonight no no it's it's already nine o'clock and i mean uh for the rest day for tomorrow for tomorrow no we haven't planned anything more than i think we will have a dinner in the evening and i i think it's just good to have really really you really need to have a day off so not too many plans yeah yes to rest to relax and to charge the battery for the the second part of this yeah the part which will actually make the whole difference because the match is very close now the difference is only by a point the ladies team is still leading with an extra point and we will resume actually everything the games and the tournament on sunday at 3 p.m. central european time so thank you a lot pia thank you sabina for joining me and i wish you to have a nice first day and see you all on sunday have a nice evening