 Have any concerns about the white paper we could discuss those and then Tracy I think you've got an update on the where we are with getting maintainers for the training and education working group But I don't think we're gonna get to either of those votes and so I would suggest we just start and Have a brief discussion Or a long one as the case may be but I think it'll be brief on the white paper Art I think you know as I said in my note. I think you guys did a great job. I just had minor Suggestion that we add Project quilt since it was approved To the to the list of projects, I don't think we need to weave much more in but I think it would be a Good thing to to try and get something in I don't know if anybody's on from the quilt project Yeah, we I just sent out an email Chris responding to your email about five minutes ago We would love it if someone from quilts could write up a comparable Project description yeah, they can either add it themselves or we can add it for them So those just joined Sorry who just joined Silas just joined Hi there Sorry, I mixed up borrow and quilt for yeah, we need we need like Adrienne or Somebody to do that. So yeah hard if you could chase that one. I think it'd be good to just add that Yeah, it definitely would be so if we could get someone to contribute that that would be wonderful Yeah, if you can't grab Adrian in the next couple of days, let me know and and I'll you know I'll just just do something out of the proposal Okay, awesome. Any other comments concerns questions about the white paper Chris is whipping Sorry, I'd send out Something just now Sorry, it was so delayed Basically, I Think it's a great job. Like you said, it's very difficult to get Something comprehensive written about something as fast as the hyper ledger umbrella with all the projects the The comments that I had were one of them was about the introduction which basically says That the connection, you know the comparison to databases Although it may seem comfortable it's not It's not the way we should go because I think we should also explicitly mentioned the Antisidents of this idea With respect to Satoshi's paper. I know that the papers mentioned but further in the down as an example of a public blockchain Then also the development of that idea into these, you know into the split into the federated systems that That hyper ledger is incubating So that was one comment the other comment was on the use cases, which was basically It starts off with a debt or a loan use case, which I think is I mean Although it might be correct it it Projects the wrong idea That we should have a use case on issuance. I know that it's focused on the On something that is You know the use cases that have already been either discussed or in production or in POC on Each of those DLT's and then the third I third thing that I said was, you know, basically Obviously the these comments are coming too late So I would understand in the you know Indie to get the Paper out if we may not have You know many of these comments included because it may need more work more Feedback loops and so on The the idea was to somehow Inject inject something which says how this is going to be a living document and What, you know, what would be the path forward to the Future versions if at all getting released if that is even a thought That that was all thank you So so vipin to clarify something we are We are considering this a living document, right as we add projects and other things. They'll need to be added We don't think some of the sections will change too much at least hopefully bike Like for instance, I don't anticipate our design philosophy wildly changing the organization is kind of in a steadier place at this point Some of your other comments, we didn't want to list every use case. We just kind of wanted to list some illustrative ones You know, we figured that Things like asset issuance you can kind of infer from some of the the use cases we mentioned And kind of it was really difficult to get people to write up use cases. They were interested in this was probably the hardest part of the paper And one of the reasons why it took so long So if you've been following the list You'll see, you know, you know that we had to cut out kind of the highlighted feature section And that's mainly because we didn't have enough people Focusing on kind of use cases or applications Which is understandable, you know, maybe people don't want to make their use cases public But as far as the database comparison I kind of wanted to root I mean, I think blockchain is rooted in databases and I wanted to draw this You know kind of line I guess If you think we should Explicit our debt to Bitcoin more You know Bitcoin the idea I mean Because I mean, I think the main thing is the chain idea which Which is there present in every Implementation I have seen of the LTS even though some people Claim they are not change, you know, they're not blockchain like for example, Corda. They have a change Okay, if you think covering a single transaction, if you think there's a good way to implement this I mean, we're probably not so our next step is to send this to a technical writer to make it look pretty We're probably not gonna do that in the next like few days So if you think there's a good way to to say this I'd please feel free to like issue a poll request In the for the introduction If you think there's a there's a good way to say this and Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know the the points that I'm trying to make is one. Yes, I understand that use Guard that section out, you know the one where you had illustrative sort of highlights section which was Obviously Arnold's comment about that being only one to its identity, which But I mean identity, you know, I know that identity is a very important And foundational use case, but I see the imprint of the all over the paper, right? I mean, which which is because of their participation. I understand why I mean, I'm not I'm not a verse to that But then you need to bring some kind of a balance into the picture You know because it leads off the use cases lead off with the indie use case basically and all over the place There's in the I mean, you know by search for Indies that is because they participated drumming to you know, Nathan and everybody else. Yes. I mean, that's who actually got the Paper over the finish line along with you heart. I mean I completely understand that So, yeah for the introduction, I'll try but you know I'm not insisting on any of these obviously I cannot but but I'm just saying that You know, then if it is a living document, I would like to See how, you know that living document stuff is Embedded in the in the in the in the paper itself of future versions You know taking life I will I will try to at least try to word something about the The chain idea and then I'll send it to you Okay, thank you. Yeah, you can you can see whether it's, you know, whether it's completely off off the mark or whatever it is and Include it if you want to Yeah, that's all for me and I think it's you know, like I said, it's very difficult to come up with this A win vision By that same token, I mean this is you bring up you bring up a lot of people in Indie participated and that's true We also didn't have much Eroha Participation and that's kind of why that section is really light so if anyone from Eroha wants to edit that section and Buff it up in the next couple of days or week or so that would be wonderful Yeah, I get the feeling because of the of the difference in time zone is one of the main reasons Why? They do not participate. I mean even in the identity working group or the architecture working group You know We haven't seen their presence that much Okay Any other comments on the white paper, I have a comment Yeah dad dad Middleton Yes, sir Would you mind I just saw your PR request? It looks good. Can you please use item eyes for your lists or some other list formatting? Yeah, sure. Thanks. All right. That's my comment I That is as far as as Eroha keep in mind that that they're you know relatively