 We're talking Ruby volume nine spoilers. If you're not caught up, go get caught up and then come back, please. So we touched on this just a little bit before the idea of taking John's storyline and he's radically different than everyone else in this whole volume. What was the thought process behind that? Just be different. You know. All right, let's move on to the next question. Well, I think, you know, we'd seen what it was like for, you know, the girls just be like thrust into this and honestly, it felt just a little boring to then just like, okay, now they found John. How do we show somebody who's in a completely different part of coping with everything that happened in volume eight, who's been by themselves for, you know, 10, 20 years? What is that like and what does that do to somebody? I think, again, it's just another area where we could take something in the ever after and say, like, how can we do something that we can't do around it? We can't just age somebody up all of a sudden and have them experience these things, so. Well, and it also felt really good for John specifically that he actually is a character in a fairy tale, right? Cause he always wanted to be this hero and at different points in the series, he's learned that maybe that looks differently than what he thought. But now it's like he gets thrust into this actual role and it went so badly for him. Seeing what that would do to him and how he's been spending this time in this paper village and trying to save everybody. Time heals all wounds, but sometimes you need more time. More and more time, but I remember one of the things that we had talked about early in the writing process was almost this like Groundhog Day scenario of John getting to play the hero over and over and over because it was something that helped him bury that wound a little bit. And kind of what he had to do with the animal he made and that responsibility that fell on him and it's, John's storyline's rough. Yeah, that's right. I feel bad for him. I feel bad for him. Yeah, it's tragic. In the most beautifully tragic way. Cause I'm like going back to the beginning of the series to like, I think Ruby and John have always been kind of two sides of the same coin. And they were the first friendship that really formed at Beacon. So to hear John lamenting, I'm like, I want to be the hero. I've been trying so hard, but it's simply not possible. I'm like, oh, Ruby's dealing with a lot of the same thing too. But, you know, we'll see how her journey plays out. Hopefully John can shave. Yeah. I don't think so. You want me to? Well, speaking of Ruby, you know, she hit an emotional boiling point this episode really. And so what was like playing that? I mean, that's kind of unique for her. I love taking Ruby into different emotional areas that we haven't touched on before. Ruby has gotten, I think agitated. She has stood up for herself in moments, but never like this. This is not standing up for yourself. This is a pure explosion of a lot of emotion that she's been holding in. And it's directed at anyone and everyone. Doesn't matter. For better or worse. But I do think that although it's harmful and there are going to be repercussions for that because there have to be, I do think it's important for her to just finally... It's realistic. Right, to break past a lot of structural and societal norms that she's been burdened down by and go, I just have to think about me in that moment. Like, how am I feeling? Now you know. Now you're aware of it. You know, we've talked internally about and even the fans that you've been saying, like, yeah, when is Ruby going to break down? They break down when? Yeah. And this is the start. Beep, beep, beep. Right here. Just a critical mass. Yeah. Massive props to you and the performance there. I remember even seeing it in script form, it's always one thing, but we always get really excited about hearing everyone's kind of interpretation on line deliveries and stuff. And the very first time I heard that, I remember being like, oh my God. This is so much better than anything I could have. There's a couple of the line deliveries about like, gotta stay positive. And I'm like, oh my gosh. I remember that specifically. Yeah. And in the booths, I was like, is this too manly? Ruby's being such a jerk right now. I love it. It's important. Thank you. I was like, great job, Lindsay. Yeah. I'm really great. And then the final, like, you know, she's kind of lashed out at everybody, but like the very final kind of very quiet shut up like to someone that you care about. It like, I've been on the receiving end of that. And it's like, oh, that feels so bad when someone that you care about is like, I don't want to hear anything else you have to say. Yeah. And I've visually, I talked about that. Like the translation from us being in the booth and then watching you guys make that come to life. I had an idea of what that scene was gonna be like in my head or her reaction is, but like watching her hurt people, but from a place of hurt is just so like, oh, hurt people. Hurt people. Hurt people. Honestly, yes. It's true. Thanks for watching this deeper dive into this week's episode of Ruby. If you want more, come back every Tuesday after the episode and we'll talk about it and have fun. And go watch the episodes on Crunchyroll every Saturday. Please go watch it. Bye.